From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 09:01:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31E1H4Y025838; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:01:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31E1Hx9025828; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:01:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E899B89.A077718A@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:00:41 -0500 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Jordan , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Observations References: <4181258.1049146855793.JavaMail.nobody@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Jordan wrote: > > >Oh yea. But that's what _I_ get for paying > >attention to the weatherpersons. > > Doesn't matter, Carl - at best, they're guessing, at worst... > > Michael J. > > Looking for an accurate Weather Weasel check out: www.skydivingweather.com it's got some stuff that would probably not interest the average motorcyclist -- Winds aloft, for example, but it's a pretty good site. Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 09:56:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31EuC4Y030125; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:56:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31EuBlr030115; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:56:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030401094603.021a2f30@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:46:57 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Crying Children Distract Drivers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Welll ... Duh .... http://www.femail.co.uk/pages/standard/article.html?in_article_id=174581&in_page_id=2 And as Fark put it "Hands-free and vibration alert babies expected to hit market soon" ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 10:43:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31Fhv4Y006550; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:43:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31Fhh6w004270; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:43:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030401103943.02194320@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 10:43:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: VFR group needed for COTU IV Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Doctor ok'd me to do risky things with my back again, so I made my reservations for COTU IV this morning (http://www.wdgah.org/events/eventDetail.asp?eventID=19). I'm interested in forming a small group of 2-6 to leave Friday 5/2 around 7am - making it into Marietta sometime around 7pm. If interested, please email me off list. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 13:11:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31IBH4Y013623; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:11:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31IBHc7013615; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:11:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030401181039.1212.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:10:39 -0800 (PST) From: Nun Yobizness Subject: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Washington Times, April 1, 2003. Ima Clymer, Washington Times Staff Writer Doris McClaskey grimaced in disgust as the windows rattled in her Northeast Washington home. "Them durn Harleys," she said, as the spry 85-year-old widow described the torment she has had to endure over the years, as the motorcycles rolled down her narrow street. "It's not just the Harleys, though, the kids on the little 'Jap' rocket bikes as just as bad, with their tinny, loud exhaust noises. Haven't these nitwits heard of mufflers!?" McClaskey is not just complaining loudly and taking it lying down. She and her neighbors have formed the Northeast Washington Cork It or Park It Movement, (NEWCIPIM) in an effort to tone down the noise and the danger from out of control bikers. She's become a potent political force and is enlisting the help of DC politicians. NEWCIPIM has endorsed a new bill before the DC Council that would empower the police to stop and confiscate, on the spot, any motorcycle deemed "loud" or ridden in an unsafe manner. McClaskey has met with the Mayor, who gave tentative approval to the scheme, according to knowledgable sources. A un-named mayor's aide said that if the police can stop trucks near sensitive government areas, he sees no reason why the same can't be done for "outlaw bikers" who terrorize neighborhoods. "As you know, in this Administration, it's all about the neighborhoods," the aide said. Police Chief Charles Ramsey seems cool to the idea. "We had a deranged goober on a tractor hold the city hostage for days, now we're supposed to stop bikers, too?" Ramsey said through a spokesman. Police sources say "hundreds" of new sworn officers would be needed to enforce an anti-biker law. Expansion of the radar camera program and a doubling of fines are being explored to provide the needed funds. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 13:15:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31IFa4Y017976; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:15:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31IFa4p017969; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:15:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:15:08 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <006901c2f87a$a2a7a6f0$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030401181039.1212.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 The downsides of modern medicine... Can't they just give you an inspection ticket like MD? "Confiscate" something "deemed"... No wonder the city council is a laughing stock. The best thing that could ever happen to DC is to completely lose their right to govern themselves! -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Nun Yobizness [mailto:acelasmella@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:11 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > > > Washington Times, April 1, 2003. > > Ima Clymer, Washington Times Staff Writer > > Doris McClaskey grimaced in disgust as the windows > rattled in her Northeast Washington home. "Them durn > Harleys," she said, as the spry 85-year-old widow > described the torment she has had to endure over the > years, as the motorcycles rolled down her narrow > street. "It's not just the Harleys, though, the kids > on the little 'Jap' rocket bikes as just as bad, with > their tinny, loud exhaust noises. Haven't these > nitwits heard of mufflers!?" > > McClaskey is not just complaining loudly and taking it > lying down. She and her neighbors have formed the > Northeast Washington Cork It or Park It Movement, > (NEWCIPIM) in an effort to tone down the noise and the > danger from out of control bikers. She's become a > potent political force and is enlisting the help of DC > politicians. > > NEWCIPIM has endorsed a new bill before the DC Council > that would empower the police to stop and confiscate, > on the spot, any motorcycle deemed "loud" or ridden in > an unsafe manner. McClaskey has met with the Mayor, > who gave tentative approval to the scheme, according > to knowledgable sources. > > A un-named mayor's aide said that if the police can > stop trucks near sensitive government areas, he sees > no reason why the same can't be done for "outlaw > bikers" who terrorize neighborhoods. "As you know, in > this Administration, it's all about the > neighborhoods," the aide said. > > Police Chief Charles Ramsey seems cool to the idea. > "We had a deranged goober on a tractor hold the city > hostage for days, now we're supposed to stop bikers, > too?" Ramsey said through a spokesman. Police sources > say "hundreds" of new sworn officers would be needed > to enforce an anti-biker law. Expansion of the radar > camera program and a doubling of fines are being > explored to provide the needed funds. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 13:22:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31IMl4Y021997; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:22:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31IMlc6021987; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:22:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 13:22:34 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: acelasmella@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <44837D3F.545E57BD.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Uh-huh. April Fool's to you too. ;-) Scooter (I ain't biten :-)) In a message dated 4/1/2003 1:10:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, acelasmella@XXXXXX writes: > > > Washington Times, April 1, 2003. > > Ima Clymer, Washington Times Staff Writer > > Doris McClaskey grimaced in disgust as the windows > rattled in her Northeast Washington home. "Them durn > Harleys," she said, as the spry 85-year-old widow > described the torment she has had to endure over the > years, as the motorcycles rolled down her narrow > street. "It's not just the Harleys, though, the kids > on the little 'Jap' rocket bikes as just as bad, with > their tinny, loud exhaust noises. Haven't these > nitwits heard of mufflers!?" > > McClaskey is not just complaining loudly and taking it > lying down. She and her neighbors have formed the > Northeast Washington Cork It or Park It Movement, > (NEWCIPIM) in an effort to tone down the noise and the > danger from out of control bikers. She's become a > potent political force and is enlisting the help of DC > politicians. > > NEWCIPIM has endorsed a new bill before the DC Council > that would empower the police to stop and confiscate, > on the spot, any motorcycle deemed "loud" or ridden in > an unsafe manner. McClaskey has met with the Mayor, > who gave tentative approval to the scheme, according > to knowledgable sources. > > A un-named mayor's aide said that if the police can > stop trucks near sensitive government areas, he sees > no reason why the same can't be done for "outlaw > bikers" who terrorize neighborhoods. "As you know, in > this Administration, it's all about the > neighborhoods," the aide said. > > Police Chief Charles Ramsey seems cool to the idea. > "We had a deranged goober on a tractor hold the city > hostage for days, now we're supposed to stop bikers, > too?" Ramsey said through a spokesman. Police sources > say "hundreds" of new sworn officers would be needed > to enforce an anti-biker law. Expansion of the radar > camera program and a doubling of fines are being > explored to provide the needed funds. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and > more > http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 13:29:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31ITZ4Y026006; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:29:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31ITY3L025995; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:29:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030401182932.18798.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:29:32 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <44837D3F.545E57BD.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So be it, but I can tell you I am totally sick of the rice boys blowing by my house with their "fart pipe" mufflers. I would *love* to see the cops on my street ticketing people for them! Glenn (who has a stock pipe on his VFR). --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Uh-huh. April Fool's to you too. ;-) > > Scooter (I ain't biten :-)) > > In a message dated 4/1/2003 1:10:39 PM Eastern > Standard Time, acelasmella@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > Washington Times, April 1, 2003. > > > > Ima Clymer, Washington Times Staff Writer > > > > Doris McClaskey grimaced in disgust as the windows > > rattled in her Northeast Washington home. "Them > durn > > Harleys," she said, as the spry 85-year-old widow > > described the torment she has had to endure over > the > > years, as the motorcycles rolled down her narrow > > street. "It's not just the Harleys, though, the > kids > > on the little 'Jap' rocket bikes as just as bad, > with > > their tinny, loud exhaust noises. Haven't these > > nitwits heard of mufflers!?" > > > > McClaskey is not just complaining loudly and > taking it > > lying down. She and her neighbors have formed the > > Northeast Washington Cork It or Park It Movement, > > (NEWCIPIM) in an effort to tone down the noise and > the > > danger from out of control bikers. She's become a > > potent political force and is enlisting the help > of DC > > politicians. > > > > NEWCIPIM has endorsed a new bill before the DC > Council > > that would empower the police to stop and > confiscate, > > on the spot, any motorcycle deemed "loud" or > ridden in > > an unsafe manner. McClaskey has met with the > Mayor, > > who gave tentative approval to the scheme, > according > > to knowledgable sources. > > > > A un-named mayor's aide said that if the police > can > > stop trucks near sensitive government areas, he > sees > > no reason why the same can't be done for "outlaw > > bikers" who terrorize neighborhoods. "As you > know, in > > this Administration, it's all about the > > neighborhoods," the aide said. > > > > Police Chief Charles Ramsey seems cool to the > idea. > > "We had a deranged goober on a tractor hold the > city > > hostage for days, now we're supposed to stop > bikers, > > too?" Ramsey said through a spokesman. Police > sources > > say "hundreds" of new sworn officers would be > needed > > to enforce an anti-biker law. Expansion of the > radar > > camera program and a doubling of fines are being > > explored to provide the needed funds. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, > forms, and > > more > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 13:33:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31IX44Y028088; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:33:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31IX3mr028083; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:33:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:32:37 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <006c01c2f87d$1570ce30$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <44837D3F.545E57BD.0C9D3659@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Really, damn. I wanted to start a heated discussion since I'm bored at work... ;) > -----Original Message----- > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:23 PM > To: acelasmella@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > > > Uh-huh. April Fool's to you too. ;-) > > Scooter (I ain't biten :-)) > > In a message dated 4/1/2003 1:10:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, > acelasmella@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > Washington Times, April 1, 2003. > > > > Ima Clymer, Washington Times Staff Writer > > > > Doris McClaskey grimaced in disgust as the windows > > rattled in her Northeast Washington home. "Them durn > > Harleys," she said, as the spry 85-year-old widow > > described the torment she has had to endure over the > > years, as the motorcycles rolled down her narrow > > street. "It's not just the Harleys, though, the kids > > on the little 'Jap' rocket bikes as just as bad, with > > their tinny, loud exhaust noises. Haven't these > > nitwits heard of mufflers!?" > > > > McClaskey is not just complaining loudly and taking it > > lying down. She and her neighbors have formed the > > Northeast Washington Cork It or Park It Movement, > > (NEWCIPIM) in an effort to tone down the noise and the > > danger from out of control bikers. She's become a > > potent political force and is enlisting the help of DC > > politicians. > > > > NEWCIPIM has endorsed a new bill before the DC Council > > that would empower the police to stop and confiscate, > > on the spot, any motorcycle deemed "loud" or ridden in > > an unsafe manner. McClaskey has met with the Mayor, > > who gave tentative approval to the scheme, according > > to knowledgable sources. > > > > A un-named mayor's aide said that if the police can > > stop trucks near sensitive government areas, he sees > > no reason why the same can't be done for "outlaw > > bikers" who terrorize neighborhoods. "As you know, in > > this Administration, it's all about the > > neighborhoods," the aide said. > > > > Police Chief Charles Ramsey seems cool to the idea. > > "We had a deranged goober on a tractor hold the city > > hostage for days, now we're supposed to stop bikers, > > too?" Ramsey said through a spokesman. Police sources > > say "hundreds" of new sworn officers would be needed > > to enforce an anti-biker law. Expansion of the radar > > camera program and a doubling of fines are being > > explored to provide the needed funds. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and > > more > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 13:33:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31IXc4Y028154; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:33:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31IXc39028145; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:33:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030401183335.23328.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:33:35 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <006901c2f87a$a2a7a6f0$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii HA HA Jokes on the ususal anti-DC crowd. --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > The downsides of modern medicine... Can't they just > give you an > inspection ticket like MD? "Confiscate" something > "deemed"... No > wonder the city council is a laughing stock. The > best thing that could > ever happen to DC is to completely lose their right > to govern > themselves! > > -Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nun Yobizness [mailto:acelasmella@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:11 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > > > > > > Washington Times, April 1, 2003. > > > > Ima Clymer, Washington Times Staff Writer > > > > Doris McClaskey grimaced in disgust as the windows > > rattled in her Northeast Washington home. "Them > durn > > Harleys," she said, as the spry 85-year-old widow > > described the torment she has had to endure over > the > > years, as the motorcycles rolled down her narrow > > street. "It's not just the Harleys, though, the > kids > > on the little 'Jap' rocket bikes as just as bad, > with > > their tinny, loud exhaust noises. Haven't these > > nitwits heard of mufflers!?" > > > > McClaskey is not just complaining loudly and > taking it > > lying down. She and her neighbors have formed the > > Northeast Washington Cork It or Park It Movement, > > (NEWCIPIM) in an effort to tone down the noise and > the > > danger from out of control bikers. She's become a > > potent political force and is enlisting the help > of DC > > politicians. > > > > NEWCIPIM has endorsed a new bill before the DC > Council > > that would empower the police to stop and > confiscate, > > on the spot, any motorcycle deemed "loud" or > ridden in > > an unsafe manner. McClaskey has met with the > Mayor, > > who gave tentative approval to the scheme, > according > > to knowledgable sources. > > > > A un-named mayor's aide said that if the police > can > > stop trucks near sensitive government areas, he > sees > > no reason why the same can't be done for "outlaw > > bikers" who terrorize neighborhoods. "As you > know, in > > this Administration, it's all about the > > neighborhoods," the aide said. > > > > Police Chief Charles Ramsey seems cool to the > idea. > > "We had a deranged goober on a tractor hold the > city > > hostage for days, now we're supposed to stop > bikers, > > too?" Ramsey said through a spokesman. Police > sources > > say "hundreds" of new sworn officers would be > needed > > to enforce an anti-biker law. Expansion of the > radar > > camera program and a doubling of fines are being > > explored to provide the needed funds. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, > forms, and more > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 13:35:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31IZo4Y032159; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:35:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31IZok0032144; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:35:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E89DBD9.5B4440AA@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 13:35:05 -0500 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? References: <20030401182932.18798.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn Dysart wrote: > > So be it, but I can tell you I am totally sick of the > rice boys blowing by my house with their "fart pipe" > mufflers. I would *love* to see the cops on my street > ticketing people for them! > > Glenn (who has a stock pipe on his VFR). *ahem* oi. Ride your oen ride, and don't stop me from riding mine. Skip, getting tailpipe whistles just to drive people insane. :~) http://bubbrubb.isgreat.tv/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 13:49:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31Inl4Y009755; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:49:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31Inkge009745; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:49:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: Nice list... Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:49:24 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <006e01c2f87f$6b456440$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Make a comment that upsets someone and you get branded a racist. Nice. -Jim PS And yes, I will forward private emails if your going to use a public board to begin an attack -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:36 PM To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? The majority of voters in DC are black. DC's politics is black controlled. You know it. How about a literacy test or poll tax like they had in the south? Maybe that would keep those 'uneducateds' from voting. --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > Where did you get race out of this? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Kitchell > [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:33 PM > > To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > > > > > > RIGHT ON! > > > > Why did we ever give those blacks a vote anyway. > DC > > is so full of them, right? > > > > > > --- Jim McGonigle > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The downsides of modern medicine... Can't they > just > > > give you an > > > inspection ticket like MD? "Confiscate" > something > > > "deemed"... No > > > wonder the city council is a laughing stock. > The > > > best thing that could > > > ever happen to DC is to completely lose their > right > > > to govern > > > themselves! > > > > > > -Jim > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Nun Yobizness > [mailto:acelasmella@XXXXXX] > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:11 PM > > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > Subject: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Washington Times, April 1, 2003. > > > > > > > > Ima Clymer, Washington Times Staff Writer > > > > > > > > Doris McClaskey grimaced in disgust as the > windows > > > > rattled in her Northeast Washington home. > "Them > > > durn > > > > Harleys," she said, as the spry 85-year-old > widow > > > > described the torment she has had to endure > over > > > the > > > > years, as the motorcycles rolled down her > narrow > > > > street. "It's not just the Harleys, though, > the > > > kids > > > > on the little 'Jap' rocket bikes as just as > bad, > > > with > > > > their tinny, loud exhaust noises. Haven't > these > > > > nitwits heard of mufflers!?" > > > > > > > > McClaskey is not just complaining loudly and > > > taking it > > > > lying down. She and her neighbors have formed > the > > > > Northeast Washington Cork It or Park It > Movement, > > > > (NEWCIPIM) in an effort to tone down the noise > and > > > the > > > > danger from out of control bikers. She's > become a > > > > potent political force and is enlisting the > help > > > of DC > > > > politicians. > > > > > > > > NEWCIPIM has endorsed a new bill before the DC > > > Council > > > > that would empower the police to stop and > > > confiscate, > > > > on the spot, any motorcycle deemed "loud" or > > > ridden in > > > > an unsafe manner. McClaskey has met with the > > > Mayor, > > > > who gave tentative approval to the scheme, > > > according > > > > to knowledgable sources. > > > > > > > > A un-named mayor's aide said that if the > police > > > can > > > > stop trucks near sensitive government areas, > he > > > sees > > > > no reason why the same can't be done for > "outlaw > > > > bikers" who terrorize neighborhoods. "As you > > > know, in > > > > this Administration, it's all about the > > > > neighborhoods," the aide said. > > > > > > > > Police Chief Charles Ramsey seems cool to the > > > idea. > > > > "We had a deranged goober on a tractor hold > the > > > city > > > > hostage for days, now we're supposed to stop > > > bikers, > > > > too?" Ramsey said through a spokesman. Police > > > sources > > > > say "hundreds" of new sworn officers would be > > > needed > > > > to enforce an anti-biker law. Expansion of > the > > > radar > > > > camera program and a doubling of fines are > being > > > > explored to provide the needed funds. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, > > > forms, and more > > > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, > forms, and more > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 13:56:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31Iu94Y017962; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:56:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31Iu8Kt017955; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:56:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030401185605.15484.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:56:05 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Nice list... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <006e01c2f87f$6b456440$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You are such a pussy. I tried to show some respect to this board by keeping such stuff off-list. What a lame mama's boy you are. Can't handle you own business so you go to all the mean listers for help. As I said..pure pussy! --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > Make a comment that upsets someone and you get > branded a racist. Nice. > > -Jim > > PS And yes, I will forward private emails if your > going to use a public > board to begin an attack > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:36 PM > To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > > > The majority of voters in DC are black. DC's > politics > is black controlled. You know it. > > How about a literacy test or poll tax like they had > in > the south? Maybe that would keep those > 'uneducateds' > from voting. > > > --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > > Where did you get race out of this? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mark Kitchell > > [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:33 PM > > > To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX > > > Subject: RE: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > > > > > > > > > RIGHT ON! > > > > > > Why did we ever give those blacks a vote anyway. > > > DC > > > is so full of them, right? > > > > > > > > > --- Jim McGonigle > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The downsides of modern medicine... Can't > they > > just > > > > give you an > > > > inspection ticket like MD? "Confiscate" > > something > > > > "deemed"... No > > > > wonder the city council is a laughing stock. > > The > > > > best thing that could > > > > ever happen to DC is to completely lose their > > right > > > > to govern > > > > themselves! > > > > > > > > -Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Nun Yobizness > > [mailto:acelasmella@XXXXXX] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:11 PM > > > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > > Subject: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Washington Times, April 1, 2003. > > > > > > > > > > Ima Clymer, Washington Times Staff Writer > > > > > > > > > > Doris McClaskey grimaced in disgust as the > > windows > > > > > rattled in her Northeast Washington home. > > "Them > > > > durn > > > > > Harleys," she said, as the spry 85-year-old > > widow > > > > > described the torment she has had to endure > > over > > > > the > > > > > years, as the motorcycles rolled down her > > narrow > > > > > street. "It's not just the Harleys, though, > > the > > > > kids > > > > > on the little 'Jap' rocket bikes as just as > > bad, > > > > with > > > > > their tinny, loud exhaust noises. Haven't > > these > > > > > nitwits heard of mufflers!?" > > > > > > > > > > McClaskey is not just complaining loudly and > > > > taking it > > > > > lying down. She and her neighbors have > formed > > the > > > > > Northeast Washington Cork It or Park It > > Movement, > > > > > (NEWCIPIM) in an effort to tone down the > noise > > and > > > > the > > > > > danger from out of control bikers. She's > > become a > > > > > potent political force and is enlisting the > > help > > > > of DC > > > > > politicians. > > > > > > > > > > NEWCIPIM has endorsed a new bill before the > DC > > > > Council > > > > > that would empower the police to stop and > > > > confiscate, > > > > > on the spot, any motorcycle deemed "loud" or > > > > ridden in > > > > > an unsafe manner. McClaskey has met with > the > > > > Mayor, > > > > > who gave tentative approval to the scheme, > > > > according > > > > > to knowledgable sources. > > > > > > > > > > A un-named mayor's aide said that if the > > police > > > > can > > > > > stop trucks near sensitive government areas, > > he > > > > sees > > > > > no reason why the same can't be done for > > "outlaw > > > > > bikers" who terrorize neighborhoods. "As > you > > > > know, in > > > > > this Administration, it's all about the > > > > > neighborhoods," the aide said. > > > > > > > > > > Police Chief Charles Ramsey seems cool to > the > > > > idea. > > > > > "We had a deranged goober on a tractor hold > > the > > > > city > > > > > hostage for days, now we're supposed to stop > > > > bikers, > > > > > too?" Ramsey said through a spokesman. > Police > > > > sources > > > > > say "hundreds" of new sworn officers would > be > > > > needed > > > > > to enforce an anti-biker law. Expansion of > > the > > > > radar > > > > > camera program and a doubling of fines are > > being > > > > > explored to provide the needed funds. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, > calculators, > > > > forms, and more > > > > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, > > forms, and more > > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > === message truncated === ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 13:58:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31Iwp4Y020060; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:58:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31Iwpu5020053; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:58:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , Subject: RE: Nice list... Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:58:14 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <007701c2f880$af995880$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20030401185605.15484.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 And you're a narrow minded liberal racist prick. I also think Montgomery County can't govern itself. Now what? Keep your opinons to yourself, nobody gives a shit especially me. -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:56 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Nice list... > > > You are such a pussy. I tried to show some respect to > this board by keeping such stuff off-list. What a > lame mama's boy you are. Can't handle you own > business so you go to all the mean listers for help. > > As I said..pure pussy! > > --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > > Make a comment that upsets someone and you get > > branded a racist. Nice. > > > > -Jim > > > > PS And yes, I will forward private emails if your > > going to use a public > > board to begin an attack > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:36 PM > > To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > > > > > > The majority of voters in DC are black. DC's > > politics > > is black controlled. You know it. > > > > How about a literacy test or poll tax like they had > > in > > the south? Maybe that would keep those > > 'uneducateds' > > from voting. > > > > > > --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > > > > Where did you get race out of this? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Mark Kitchell > > > [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:33 PM > > > > To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX > > > > Subject: RE: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > > > > > > > > > > > > RIGHT ON! > > > > > > > > Why did we ever give those blacks a vote anyway. > > > > > DC > > > > is so full of them, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Jim McGonigle > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The downsides of modern medicine... Can't > > they > > > just > > > > > give you an > > > > > inspection ticket like MD? "Confiscate" > > > something > > > > > "deemed"... No > > > > > wonder the city council is a laughing stock. > > > The > > > > > best thing that could > > > > > ever happen to DC is to completely lose their > > > right > > > > > to govern > > > > > themselves! > > > > > > > > > > -Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Nun Yobizness > > > [mailto:acelasmella@XXXXXX] > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:11 PM > > > > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > > > Subject: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Washington Times, April 1, 2003. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ima Clymer, Washington Times Staff Writer > > > > > > > > > > > > Doris McClaskey grimaced in disgust as the > > > windows > > > > > > rattled in her Northeast Washington home. > > > "Them > > > > > durn > > > > > > Harleys," she said, as the spry 85-year-old > > > widow > > > > > > described the torment she has had to endure > > > over > > > > > the > > > > > > years, as the motorcycles rolled down her > > > narrow > > > > > > street. "It's not just the Harleys, though, > > > the > > > > > kids > > > > > > on the little 'Jap' rocket bikes as just as > > > bad, > > > > > with > > > > > > their tinny, loud exhaust noises. Haven't > > > these > > > > > > nitwits heard of mufflers!?" > > > > > > > > > > > > McClaskey is not just complaining loudly and > > > > > taking it > > > > > > lying down. She and her neighbors have > > formed > > > the > > > > > > Northeast Washington Cork It or Park It > > > Movement, > > > > > > (NEWCIPIM) in an effort to tone down the > > noise > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > danger from out of control bikers. She's > > > become a > > > > > > potent political force and is enlisting the > > > help > > > > > of DC > > > > > > politicians. > > > > > > > > > > > > NEWCIPIM has endorsed a new bill before the > > DC > > > > > Council > > > > > > that would empower the police to stop and > > > > > confiscate, > > > > > > on the spot, any motorcycle deemed "loud" or > > > > > ridden in > > > > > > an unsafe manner. McClaskey has met with > > the > > > > > Mayor, > > > > > > who gave tentative approval to the scheme, > > > > > according > > > > > > to knowledgable sources. > > > > > > > > > > > > A un-named mayor's aide said that if the > > > police > > > > > can > > > > > > stop trucks near sensitive government areas, > > > he > > > > > sees > > > > > > no reason why the same can't be done for > > > "outlaw > > > > > > bikers" who terrorize neighborhoods. "As > > you > > > > > know, in > > > > > > this Administration, it's all about the > > > > > > neighborhoods," the aide said. > > > > > > > > > > > > Police Chief Charles Ramsey seems cool to > > the > > > > > idea. > > > > > > "We had a deranged goober on a tractor hold > > > the > > > > > city > > > > > > hostage for days, now we're supposed to stop > > > > > bikers, > > > > > > too?" Ramsey said through a spokesman. > > Police > > > > > sources > > > > > > say "hundreds" of new sworn officers would > > be > > > > > needed > > > > > > to enforce an anti-biker law. Expansion of > > > the > > > > > radar > > > > > > camera program and a doubling of fines are > > > being > > > > > > explored to provide the needed funds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, > > calculators, > > > > > forms, and more > > > > > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, > > > forms, and more > > > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > === message truncated === > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 14:00:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31J0R4Y022146; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:00:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31J0QML022141; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:00:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E89E19C.78C40AFD@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 13:59:40 -0500 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice list... References: <20030401185605.15484.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit would you two just go ahead and get a room? Mark Kitchell wrote: > > You are such a pussy. I tried to show some respect to > this board by keeping such stuff off-list. What a > lame mama's boy you are. Can't handle you own > business so you go to all the mean listers for help. > > As I said..pure pussy! > > --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > > Make a comment that upsets someone and you get > > branded a racist. Nice. > > > > -Jim > > > > PS And yes, I will forward private emails if your > > going to use a public > > board to begin an attack > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:36 PM > > To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > > > > > > The majority of voters in DC are black. DC's > > politics > > is black controlled. You know it. > > > > How about a literacy test or poll tax like they had > > in > > the south? Maybe that would keep those > > 'uneducateds' > > from voting. > > > > > > --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > > > > Where did you get race out of this? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Mark Kitchell > > > [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:33 PM > > > > To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX > > > > Subject: RE: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > > > > > > > > > > > > RIGHT ON! > > > > > > > > Why did we ever give those blacks a vote anyway. > > > > > DC > > > > is so full of them, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Jim McGonigle > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The downsides of modern medicine... Can't > > they > > > just > > > > > give you an > > > > > inspection ticket like MD? "Confiscate" > > > something > > > > > "deemed"... No > > > > > wonder the city council is a laughing stock. > > > The > > > > > best thing that could > > > > > ever happen to DC is to completely lose their > > > right > > > > > to govern > > > > > themselves! > > > > > > > > > > -Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Nun Yobizness > > > [mailto:acelasmella@XXXXXX] > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:11 PM > > > > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > > > Subject: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Washington Times, April 1, 2003. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ima Clymer, Washington Times Staff Writer > > > > > > > > > > > > Doris McClaskey grimaced in disgust as the > > > windows > > > > > > rattled in her Northeast Washington home. > > > "Them > > > > > durn > > > > > > Harleys," she said, as the spry 85-year-old > > > widow > > > > > > described the torment she has had to endure > > > over > > > > > the > > > > > > years, as the motorcycles rolled down her > > > narrow > > > > > > street. "It's not just the Harleys, though, > > > the > > > > > kids > > > > > > on the little 'Jap' rocket bikes as just as > > > bad, > > > > > with > > > > > > their tinny, loud exhaust noises. Haven't > > > these > > > > > > nitwits heard of mufflers!?" > > > > > > > > > > > > McClaskey is not just complaining loudly and > > > > > taking it > > > > > > lying down. She and her neighbors have > > formed > > > the > > > > > > Northeast Washington Cork It or Park It > > > Movement, > > > > > > (NEWCIPIM) in an effort to tone down the > > noise > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > danger from out of control bikers. She's > > > become a > > > > > > potent political force and is enlisting the > > > help > > > > > of DC > > > > > > politicians. > > > > > > > > > > > > NEWCIPIM has endorsed a new bill before the > > DC > > > > > Council > > > > > > that would empower the police to stop and > > > > > confiscate, > > > > > > on the spot, any motorcycle deemed "loud" or > > > > > ridden in > > > > > > an unsafe manner. McClaskey has met with > > the > > > > > Mayor, > > > > > > who gave tentative approval to the scheme, > > > > > according > > > > > > to knowledgable sources. > > > > > > > > > > > > A un-named mayor's aide said that if the > > > police > > > > > can > > > > > > stop trucks near sensitive government areas, > > > he > > > > > sees > > > > > > no reason why the same can't be done for > > > "outlaw > > > > > > bikers" who terrorize neighborhoods. "As > > you > > > > > know, in > > > > > > this Administration, it's all about the > > > > > > neighborhoods," the aide said. > > > > > > > > > > > > Police Chief Charles Ramsey seems cool to > > the > > > > > idea. > > > > > > "We had a deranged goober on a tractor hold > > > the > > > > > city > > > > > > hostage for days, now we're supposed to stop > > > > > bikers, > > > > > > too?" Ramsey said through a spokesman. > > Police > > > > > sources > > > > > > say "hundreds" of new sworn officers would > > be > > > > > needed > > > > > > to enforce an anti-biker law. Expansion of > > > the > > > > > radar > > > > > > camera program and a doubling of fines are > > > being > > > > > > explored to provide the needed funds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, > > calculators, > > > > > forms, and more > > > > > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, > > > forms, and more > > > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > === message truncated === > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 14:05:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31J5n4Y030035; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:05:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31J5mGL030026; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:05:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030401190546.72670.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:05:46 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Nice list... To: Skip Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E89E19C.78C40AFD@tasam.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, I know many people on this list think I am full of shit. But this time I kept if off-list, which I have been doing more lately. That shows some consideration to the list. Taking a private email and mass-blasting it is so pathetic. --- Skip wrote: > would you two just go ahead and get a room? > > Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > > You are such a pussy. I tried to show some > respect to > > this board by keeping such stuff off-list. What a > > lame mama's boy you are. Can't handle you own > > business so you go to all the mean listers for > help. > > > > As I said..pure pussy! > > > > --- Jim McGonigle > wrote: > > > > > > Make a comment that upsets someone and you get > > > branded a racist. Nice. > > > > > > -Jim > > > > > > PS And yes, I will forward private emails if > your > > > going to use a public > > > board to begin an attack > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mark Kitchell > [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:36 PM > > > To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX > > > Subject: RE: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > > > > > > > > > The majority of voters in DC are black. DC's > > > politics > > > is black controlled. You know it. > > > > > > How about a literacy test or poll tax like they > had > > > in > > > the south? Maybe that would keep those > > > 'uneducateds' > > > from voting. > > > > > > > > > --- Jim McGonigle > wrote: > > > > > > > > Where did you get race out of this? > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Mark Kitchell > > > > [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:33 PM > > > > > To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX > > > > > Subject: RE: New DC anti-bike regs on the > way?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RIGHT ON! > > > > > > > > > > Why did we ever give those blacks a vote > anyway. > > > > > > > DC > > > > > is so full of them, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Jim McGonigle > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The downsides of modern medicine... Can't > > > they > > > > just > > > > > > give you an > > > > > > inspection ticket like MD? "Confiscate" > > > > something > > > > > > "deemed"... No > > > > > > wonder the city council is a laughing > stock. > > > > The > > > > > > best thing that could > > > > > > ever happen to DC is to completely lose > their > > > > right > > > > > > to govern > > > > > > themselves! > > > > > > > > > > > > -Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Nun Yobizness > > > > [mailto:acelasmella@XXXXXX] > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:11 PM > > > > > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > > > > Subject: New DC anti-bike regs on the > way?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Washington Times, April 1, 2003. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ima Clymer, Washington Times Staff > Writer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doris McClaskey grimaced in disgust as > the > > > > windows > > > > > > > rattled in her Northeast Washington > home. > > > > "Them > > > > > > durn > > > > > > > Harleys," she said, as the spry > 85-year-old > > > > widow > > > > > > > described the torment she has had to > endure > > > > over > > > > > > the > > > > > > > years, as the motorcycles rolled down > her > > > > narrow > > > > > > > street. "It's not just the Harleys, > though, > > > > the > > > > > > kids > > > > > > > on the little 'Jap' rocket bikes as just > as > > > > bad, > > > > > > with > > > > > > > their tinny, loud exhaust noises. > Haven't > > > > these > > > > > > > nitwits heard of mufflers!?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > McClaskey is not just complaining loudly > and > > > > > > taking it > > > > > > > lying down. She and her neighbors have > > > formed > > > > the > > > > > > > Northeast Washington Cork It or Park It > > > > Movement, > > > > > > > (NEWCIPIM) in an effort to tone down the > > > noise > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > danger from out of control bikers. > She's > > > > become a > > > > > > > potent political force and is enlisting > the > > > > help > > > > > > of DC > > > > > > > politicians. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NEWCIPIM has endorsed a new bill before > the > > > DC > > > > > > Council > > > > > > > that would empower the police to stop > and > > > > > > confiscate, > > > > > > > on the spot, any motorcycle deemed > "loud" or > > > > > > ridden in > > > > > > > an unsafe manner. McClaskey has met > with > > > the > > > > > > Mayor, > > > > > > > who gave tentative approval to the > scheme, > > > > > > according > > > > > > > to knowledgable sources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A un-named mayor's aide said that if the > > > > police > > > > > > can > > > > > > > stop trucks near sensitive government > areas, > > > > he > > > > > > sees > > > > > > > no reason why the same can't be done for > > > > "outlaw > > > > > > > bikers" who terrorize neighborhoods. > "As > > > you > > > > > > know, in > > > > > > > this Administration, it's all about the > > > > > > > neighborhoods," the aide said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Police Chief Charles Ramsey seems cool > to > > > the > > > > > > idea. > > > > > > > "We had a deranged goober on a tractor > hold > > > > the > === message truncated === ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 14:09:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31J9i4Y001646; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:09:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31J9ifm001637; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:09:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200304011902.ADJ78185@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:02:00 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Nice list... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Top posted for effect: Please, no Kitchell bashing, not Jim bashing... Just let it die. Let's resume our Coleman bashing thread, discuss something productive like Chain v shaft, synth v. dino, front v rear brake, HOV positive v HOV Negative... Dave >You are such a pussy. I tried to show some respect to >this board by keeping such stuff off-list. What a >lame mama's boy you are. Can't handle you own >business so you go to all the mean listers for help. > >As I said..pure pussy! > >--- Jim McGonigle wrote: >> >> Make a comment that upsets someone and you get >> branded a racist. Nice. >> >> -Jim >> >> PS And yes, I will forward private emails if your >> going to use a public >> board to begin an attack >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:36 PM >> To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX >> Subject: RE: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? >> >> >> The majority of voters in DC are black. DC's >> politics >> is black controlled. You know it. >> >> How about a literacy test or poll tax like they had >> in >> the south? Maybe that would keep those >> 'uneducateds' >> from voting. >> >> >> --- Jim McGonigle wrote: >> > >> > Where did you get race out of this? >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Mark Kitchell >> > [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] >> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:33 PM >> > > To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX >> > > Subject: RE: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? >> > > >> > > >> > > RIGHT ON! >> > > >> > > Why did we ever give those blacks a vote anyway. >> >> > DC >> > > is so full of them, right? >> > > >> > > >> > > --- Jim McGonigle >> > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > The downsides of modern medicine... Can't >> they >> > just >> > > > give you an >> > > > inspection ticket like MD? "Confiscate" >> > something >> > > > "deemed"... No >> > > > wonder the city council is a laughing stock. >> > The >> > > > best thing that could >> > > > ever happen to DC is to completely lose their >> > right >> > > > to govern >> > > > themselves! >> > > > >> > > > -Jim >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > From: Nun Yobizness >> > [mailto:acelasmella@XXXXXX] >> > > > >> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:11 PM >> > > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> > > > > Subject: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Washington Times, April 1, 2003. >> > > > > >> > > > > Ima Clymer, Washington Times Staff Writer >> > > > > >> > > > > Doris McClaskey grimaced in disgust as the >> > windows >> > > > > rattled in her Northeast Washington home. >> > "Them >> > > > durn >> > > > > Harleys," she said, as the spry 85-year-old >> > widow >> > > > > described the torment she has had to endure >> > over >> > > > the >> > > > > years, as the motorcycles rolled down her >> > narrow >> > > > > street. "It's not just the Harleys, though, >> > the >> > > > kids >> > > > > on the little 'Jap' rocket bikes as just as >> > bad, >> > > > with >> > > > > their tinny, loud exhaust noises. Haven't >> > these >> > > > > nitwits heard of mufflers!?" >> > > > > >> > > > > McClaskey is not just complaining loudly and >> > > > taking it >> > > > > lying down. She and her neighbors have >> formed >> > the >> > > > > Northeast Washington Cork It or Park It >> > Movement, >> > > > > (NEWCIPIM) in an effort to tone down the >> noise >> > and >> > > > the >> > > > > danger from out of control bikers. She's >> > become a >> > > > > potent political force and is enlisting the >> > help >> > > > of DC >> > > > > politicians. >> > > > > >> > > > > NEWCIPIM has endorsed a new bill before the >> DC >> > > > Council >> > > > > that would empower the police to stop and >> > > > confiscate, >> > > > > on the spot, any motorcycle deemed "loud" or >> > > > ridden in >> > > > > an unsafe manner. McClaskey has met with >> the >> > > > Mayor, >> > > > > who gave tentative approval to the scheme, >> > > > according >> > > > > to knowledgable sources. >> > > > > >> > > > > A un-named mayor's aide said that if the >> > police >> > > > can >> > > > > stop trucks near sensitive government areas, >> > he >> > > > sees >> > > > > no reason why the same can't be done for >> > "outlaw >> > > > > bikers" who terrorize neighborhoods. "As >> you >> > > > know, in >> > > > > this Administration, it's all about the >> > > > > neighborhoods," the aide said. >> > > > > >> > > > > Police Chief Charles Ramsey seems cool to >> the >> > > > idea. >> > > > > "We had a deranged goober on a tractor hold >> > the >> > > > city >> > > > > hostage for days, now we're supposed to stop >> > > > bikers, >> > > > > too?" Ramsey said through a spokesman. >> Police >> > > > sources >> > > > > say "hundreds" of new sworn officers would >> be >> > > > needed >> > > > > to enforce an anti-biker law. Expansion of >> > the >> > > > radar >> > > > > camera program and a doubling of fines are >> > being >> > > > > explored to provide the needed funds. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > > > > Do you Yahoo!? >> > > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, >> calculators, >> > > > forms, and more >> > > > > http://platinum.yahoo.com >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ===== >> > > >> > > >> > > >> __________________________________________________ >> > > Do you Yahoo!? >> > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, >> > forms, and more >> > > http://platinum.yahoo.com >> > > >> > >> >> >> ===== >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> >=== message truncated === > > >===== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more >http://platinum.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 14:11:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31JBq4Y003789; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:11:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31JBqkW003779; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:11:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030401191150.49889.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:11:50 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? To: Skip Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E89DBD9.5B4440AA@tasam.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Be sure to pass me your address so that I can ride by your house continually *without* the muffler, including around 2 AM and we will see how you feel about it then. Glenn --- Skip wrote: > *ahem* > > > oi. > > > Ride your oen ride, and don't stop me from riding > mine. > > Skip, getting tailpipe whistles just to drive people > insane. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 14:13:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31JDC4Y007593; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:13:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31JDCBa007586; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:13:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E89E498.307C3CDB@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:12:24 -0500 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice list... References: <200304011902.ADJ78185@ms2.verisignmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hear you can't wheelie a shft drive bike, and they don't countersteer, either! Dave Yates wrote: > > Top posted for effect: > > Please, no Kitchell bashing, not Jim bashing... Just let it > die. Let's resume our Coleman bashing thread, discuss > something productive like Chain v shaft, synth v. dino, front > v rear brake, HOV positive v HOV Negative... > > Dave > > >You are such a pussy. I tried to show some respect to > >this board by keeping such stuff off-list. What a > >lame mama's boy you are. Can't handle you own > >business so you go to all the mean listers for help. > > > >As I said..pure pussy! > > > >--- Jim McGonigle wrote: > >> > >> Make a comment that upsets someone and you get > >> branded a racist. Nice. > >> > >> -Jim > >> > >> PS And yes, I will forward private emails if your > >> going to use a public > >> board to begin an attack > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:36 PM > >> To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX > >> Subject: RE: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > >> > >> > >> The majority of voters in DC are black. DC's > >> politics > >> is black controlled. You know it. > >> > >> How about a literacy test or poll tax like they had > >> in > >> the south? Maybe that would keep those > >> 'uneducateds' > >> from voting. > >> > >> > >> --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > >> > > >> > Where did you get race out of this? > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: Mark Kitchell > >> > [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:33 PM > >> > > To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX > >> > > Subject: RE: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > RIGHT ON! > >> > > > >> > > Why did we ever give those blacks a vote anyway. > >> > >> > DC > >> > > is so full of them, right? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > --- Jim McGonigle > >> > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > The downsides of modern medicine... Can't > >> they > >> > just > >> > > > give you an > >> > > > inspection ticket like MD? "Confiscate" > >> > something > >> > > > "deemed"... No > >> > > > wonder the city council is a laughing stock. > >> > The > >> > > > best thing that could > >> > > > ever happen to DC is to completely lose their > >> > right > >> > > > to govern > >> > > > themselves! > >> > > > > >> > > > -Jim > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > From: Nun Yobizness > >> > [mailto:acelasmella@XXXXXX] > >> > > > > >> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:11 PM > >> > > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> > > > > Subject: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Washington Times, April 1, 2003. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Ima Clymer, Washington Times Staff Writer > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Doris McClaskey grimaced in disgust as the > >> > windows > >> > > > > rattled in her Northeast Washington home. > >> > "Them > >> > > > durn > >> > > > > Harleys," she said, as the spry 85-year-old > >> > widow > >> > > > > described the torment she has had to endure > >> > over > >> > > > the > >> > > > > years, as the motorcycles rolled down her > >> > narrow > >> > > > > street. "It's not just the Harleys, though, > >> > the > >> > > > kids > >> > > > > on the little 'Jap' rocket bikes as just as > >> > bad, > >> > > > with > >> > > > > their tinny, loud exhaust noises. Haven't > >> > these > >> > > > > nitwits heard of mufflers!?" > >> > > > > > >> > > > > McClaskey is not just complaining loudly and > >> > > > taking it > >> > > > > lying down. She and her neighbors have > >> formed > >> > the > >> > > > > Northeast Washington Cork It or Park It > >> > Movement, > >> > > > > (NEWCIPIM) in an effort to tone down the > >> noise > >> > and > >> > > > the > >> > > > > danger from out of control bikers. She's > >> > become a > >> > > > > potent political force and is enlisting the > >> > help > >> > > > of DC > >> > > > > politicians. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > NEWCIPIM has endorsed a new bill before the > >> DC > >> > > > Council > >> > > > > that would empower the police to stop and > >> > > > confiscate, > >> > > > > on the spot, any motorcycle deemed "loud" or > >> > > > ridden in > >> > > > > an unsafe manner. McClaskey has met with > >> the > >> > > > Mayor, > >> > > > > who gave tentative approval to the scheme, > >> > > > according > >> > > > > to knowledgable sources. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > A un-named mayor's aide said that if the > >> > police > >> > > > can > >> > > > > stop trucks near sensitive government areas, > >> > he > >> > > > sees > >> > > > > no reason why the same can't be done for > >> > "outlaw > >> > > > > bikers" who terrorize neighborhoods. "As > >> you > >> > > > know, in > >> > > > > this Administration, it's all about the > >> > > > > neighborhoods," the aide said. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Police Chief Charles Ramsey seems cool to > >> the > >> > > > idea. > >> > > > > "We had a deranged goober on a tractor hold > >> > the > >> > > > city > >> > > > > hostage for days, now we're supposed to stop > >> > > > bikers, > >> > > > > too?" Ramsey said through a spokesman. > >> Police > >> > > > sources > >> > > > > say "hundreds" of new sworn officers would > >> be > >> > > > needed > >> > > > > to enforce an anti-biker law. Expansion of > >> > the > >> > > > radar > >> > > > > camera program and a doubling of fines are > >> > being > >> > > > > explored to provide the needed funds. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > >> > > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, > >> calculators, > >> > > > forms, and more > >> > > > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ===== > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> __________________________________________________ > >> > > Do you Yahoo!? > >> > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, > >> > forms, and more > >> > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ===== > >> > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> > >=== message truncated === > > > > > >===== > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > >http://platinum.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 14:21:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31JLQ4Y013776; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:21:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31JLQQh013766; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:21:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:17:56 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030401181039.1212.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030401181039.1212.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03040114175621.22153@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Huh, at least there's one April Fool's joke going around. Didn't this one come up last year? Carl On Tuesday 01 April 2003 13:10, Nun Yobizness wrote: > Washington Times, April 1, 2003. > > Ima Clymer, Washington Times Staff Writer > -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 14:23:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31JNG4Y015858; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:23:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31JNG8N015854; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:23:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:19:51 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030401182932.18798.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030401182932.18798.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03040114195122.22153@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Actually I'd like the cops to enforce the speed limit and catch the drag strippers who like to start it right outside my window at 2am. I'm tempted to string up a wire between trees some night. Carl Yes, I'm running stock at the moment, but I'm planning on the Stage One kit. On Tuesday 01 April 2003 13:29, Glenn Dysart wrote: > So be it, but I can tell you I am totally sick of the > rice boys blowing by my house with their "fart pipe" > mufflers. I would *love* to see the cops on my street > ticketing people for them! > > Glenn (who has a stock pipe on his VFR). > -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 14:26:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31JQU4Y017853; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:26:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31JQU39017845; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:26:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:26:23 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409339@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? Thread-Index: AcL4fMbJonD6rqJASmSzDvsMO2SiNQABrQsg From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h31JQT4Y017833 Let me share an observation about loud pipes. I'm a new rider and I don't really know too many other riders, but just about the stupidest thing I've ever seen is riders who will be casually going down the street, and then - for no apparent reason - just blimp the throttle here and there. They're not accelerating, decelerating or anything; they're just randomly blimping the throttle. And it's not revving it up to redline kind of thing, which I can kinda understand: it's blimping the throttle just a little bit, at random times, for no apparent reason. I saw a lot of sportsbikes doing that at the bike show 2 weeks ago. I had to turn around so they didn't see me laughing at them. Witold > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:30 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > > > So be it, but I can tell you I am totally sick of the > rice boys blowing by my house with their "fart pipe" > mufflers. I would *love* to see the cops on my street > ticketing people for them! > > Glenn (who has a stock pipe on his VFR). > > > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > Uh-huh. April Fool's to you too. ;-) > > > > Scooter (I ain't biten :-)) > > > > In a message dated 4/1/2003 1:10:39 PM Eastern > > Standard Time, acelasmella@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > > > Washington Times, April 1, 2003. > > > > > > Ima Clymer, Washington Times Staff Writer > > > > > > Doris McClaskey grimaced in disgust as the windows > > > rattled in her Northeast Washington home. "Them > > durn > > > Harleys," she said, as the spry 85-year-old widow > > > described the torment she has had to endure over > > the > > > years, as the motorcycles rolled down her narrow > > > street. "It's not just the Harleys, though, the > > kids > > > on the little 'Jap' rocket bikes as just as bad, > > with > > > their tinny, loud exhaust noises. Haven't these > > > nitwits heard of mufflers!?" > > > > > > McClaskey is not just complaining loudly and > > taking it > > > lying down. She and her neighbors have formed the > > > Northeast Washington Cork It or Park It Movement, > > > (NEWCIPIM) in an effort to tone down the noise and > > the > > > danger from out of control bikers. She's become a > > > potent political force and is enlisting the help > > of DC > > > politicians. > > > > > > NEWCIPIM has endorsed a new bill before the DC > > Council > > > that would empower the police to stop and > > confiscate, > > > on the spot, any motorcycle deemed "loud" or > > ridden in > > > an unsafe manner. McClaskey has met with the > > Mayor, > > > who gave tentative approval to the scheme, > > according > > > to knowledgable sources. > > > > > > A un-named mayor's aide said that if the police > > can > > > stop trucks near sensitive government areas, he > > sees > > > no reason why the same can't be done for "outlaw > > > bikers" who terrorize neighborhoods. "As you > > know, in > > > this Administration, it's all about the > > > neighborhoods," the aide said. > > > > > > Police Chief Charles Ramsey seems cool to the > > idea. > > > "We had a deranged goober on a tractor hold the > > city > > > hostage for days, now we're supposed to stop > > bikers, > > > too?" Ramsey said through a spokesman. Police > > sources > > > say "hundreds" of new sworn officers would be > > needed > > > to enforce an anti-biker law. Expansion of the > > radar > > > camera program and a doubling of fines are being > > > explored to provide the needed funds. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, > > forms, and > > > more > > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 14:28:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31JSn4Y019947; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:28:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31JSnng019941; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:28:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [12.3.60.40] X-Originating-Email: [gingerdc9@XXXXXX] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: Dave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice list... Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:16:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2003 19:16:53.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[4103D690:01C2F883] I must say that I continually find the term "pussy" used in such an invective manner a bit amusing when done so by straight men. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: Dave Yates >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Nice list... >Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:02:00 -0500 > >Top posted for effect: > >Please, no Kitchell bashing, not Jim bashing... Just let it >die. Let's resume our Coleman bashing thread, discuss >something productive like Chain v shaft, synth v. dino, front >v rear brake, HOV positive v HOV Negative... > >Dave > > > > >You are such a pussy. I tried to show some respect to > >this board by keeping such stuff off-list. What a > >lame mama's boy you are. Can't handle you own > >business so you go to all the mean listers for help. > > > >As I said..pure pussy! > > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 14:39:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31JdI4Y027888; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:39:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31JdItV027880; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:39:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030401193916.27645.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:39:16 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Nice list... To: Jeannette Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Point taken. That was lame. I am sorry. --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > I must say that I continually find the term "pussy" > used in such an > invective manner a bit amusing when done so by > straight men. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > > >From: Dave Yates > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Nice list... > >Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:02:00 -0500 > > > >Top posted for effect: > > > >Please, no Kitchell bashing, not Jim bashing... > Just let it > >die. Let's resume our Coleman bashing thread, > discuss > >something productive like Chain v shaft, synth v. > dino, front > >v rear brake, HOV positive v HOV Negative... > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > >You are such a pussy. I tried to show some > respect to > > >this board by keeping such stuff off-list. What > a > > >lame mama's boy you are. Can't handle you own > > >business so you go to all the mean listers for > help. > > > > > >As I said..pure pussy! > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 14:48:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31Jm04Y029910; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:48:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31Jm0dI029900; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:48:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007401c2f887$f331dd40$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Carl Schelin" , References: <20030401181039.1212.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> <03040114175621.22153@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:48:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Last year, it was www.motorcyclesafely.com which was good for lots of yucks. Reeled in a *lot* of people. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 2:17 PM Subject: Re: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > Huh, at least there's one April Fool's joke going around. Didn't this one > come up last year? > > Carl > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 14:53:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31JrG4Y001528; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:53:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31JrGef001520; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:53:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [12.3.60.40] X-Originating-Email: [gingerdc9@XXXXXX] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice list... Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:52:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2003 19:52:56.0819 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A749430:01C2F888] It's not that it's "lame," but it doesn't case to amaze me that something men LOVE so much is used in such a derogatory manner so often. I mean, hell, at least half a man's life is spent in pursuit of it...and some men even PAY for it! ;-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: Mark Kitchell >To: Jeannette Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Nice list... >Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:39:16 -0800 (PST) > >Point taken. That was lame. I am sorry. > > >--- Jeannette Zell wrote: > > I must say that I continually find the term "pussy" > > used in such an > > invective manner a bit amusing when done so by > > straight men. > > > > - Jeannette > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Dave Yates > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >Subject: Re: Nice list... > > >Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:02:00 -0500 > > > > > >Top posted for effect: > > > > > >Please, no Kitchell bashing, not Jim bashing... > > Just let it > > >die. Let's resume our Coleman bashing thread, > > discuss > > >something productive like Chain v shaft, synth v. > > dino, front > > >v rear brake, HOV positive v HOV Negative... > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > >You are such a pussy. I tried to show some > > respect to > > > >this board by keeping such stuff off-list. What > > a > > > >lame mama's boy you are. Can't handle you own > > > >business so you go to all the mean listers for > > help. > > > > > > > >As I said..pure pussy! > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months > > FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > >===== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more >http://platinum.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 14:57:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31JvX4Y005586; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:57:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31JvWxH005580; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:57:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030401195730.52143.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:57:30 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Canterbury Subject: Re: Nice list... To: Jeannette Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hee, hee. Well, said, -->Mary --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > It's not that it's "lame," but it doesn't case to > amaze me that something > men LOVE so much is used in such a derogatory manner > so often. > I mean, hell, at least half a man's life is spent in > pursuit of it...and > some men even PAY for it! ;-) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > >From: Mark Kitchell > >To: Jeannette Zell , > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Nice list... > >Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:39:16 -0800 (PST) > > > >Point taken. That was lame. I am sorry. > > > > > >--- Jeannette Zell wrote: > > > I must say that I continually find the term > "pussy" > > > used in such an > > > invective manner a bit amusing when done so by > > > straight men. > > > > > > - Jeannette > > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Dave Yates > > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > >Subject: Re: Nice list... > > > >Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:02:00 -0500 > > > > > > > >Top posted for effect: > > > > > > > >Please, no Kitchell bashing, not Jim bashing... > > > Just let it > > > >die. Let's resume our Coleman bashing thread, > > > discuss > > > >something productive like Chain v shaft, synth > v. > > > dino, front > > > >v rear brake, HOV positive v HOV Negative... > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You are such a pussy. I tried to show some > > > respect to > > > > >this board by keeping such stuff off-list. > What > > > a > > > > >lame mama's boy you are. Can't handle you > own > > > > >business so you go to all the mean listers > for > > > help. > > > > > > > > > >As I said..pure pussy! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 > months > > > FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, > forms, and more > >http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 15:16:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31KGu4Y011840; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:16:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31KGpYg011805; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:16:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030401201649.70011.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:16:49 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: Nice list... To: Jeannette Zell , markkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Who are you kidding? We all pay for it in one way or another. Steve --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > It's not that it's "lame," but it doesn't case to > amaze me that something > men LOVE so much is used in such a derogatory manner > so often. > I mean, hell, at least half a man's life is spent in > pursuit of it...and > some men even PAY for it! ;-) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > >From: Mark Kitchell > >To: Jeannette Zell , > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Nice list... > >Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:39:16 -0800 (PST) > > > >Point taken. That was lame. I am sorry. > > > > > >--- Jeannette Zell wrote: > > > I must say that I continually find the term > "pussy" > > > used in such an > > > invective manner a bit amusing when done so by > > > straight men. > > > > > > - Jeannette > > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Dave Yates > > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > >Subject: Re: Nice list... > > > >Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:02:00 -0500 > > > > > > > >Top posted for effect: > > > > > > > >Please, no Kitchell bashing, not Jim bashing... > > > Just let it > > > >die. Let's resume our Coleman bashing thread, > > > discuss > > > >something productive like Chain v shaft, synth > v. > > > dino, front > > > >v rear brake, HOV positive v HOV Negative... > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You are such a pussy. I tried to show some > > > respect to > > > > >this board by keeping such stuff off-list. > What > > > a > > > > >lame mama's boy you are. Can't handle you > own > > > > >business so you go to all the mean listers > for > > > help. > > > > > > > > > >As I said..pure pussy! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 > months > > > FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, > forms, and more > >http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 15:27:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31KRL4Y017945; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:27:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31KRL2v017935; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:27:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030401202714.61272.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:27:14 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Nice list... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > some men even PAY for it! ;-) lets see: ring: $3000, wedding: $5000-20,000, honeymoon: $2500, children: $600,000 a copy, clothes: $1000/yr, appliances: $2000 ... and we still haven't gotten to "evening entertainment" ===== Windows XP Professional is built upon the rock-solid reliability of Windows NT technology, the architechture that is so fundamentally limited that it does not support the changes required to remove significant security vulnerabilities. How exactly would leaving Saddam in power promote peace and justice in Iraq? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 15:38:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31Kc14Y022062; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:38:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31Kc1V0022052; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:38:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200304012028.ADJ96019@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:28:19 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Nice list... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I hear you can't wheelie a shft drive bike, and they don't countersteer, >either! [Dave] *Everybody* knows that > >Dave Yates wrote: >> >> Top posted for effect: >> >> Please, no Kitchell bashing, not Jim bashing... Just let it >> die. Let's resume our Coleman bashing thread, discuss >> something productive like Chain v shaft, synth v. dino, front >> v rear brake, HOV positive v HOV Negative... >> >> Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 15:58:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31Kwi4Y026228; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:58:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31Kwh9w026218; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:58:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200304012032.ADJ96799@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:32:16 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Nice list... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeanette Generously commented: >I must say that I continually find the term "pussy" used in such an >invective manner a bit amusing when done so by straight men. > >- Jeannette [Dave] Perhaps we should now refer to the unworn edges of the rear tire as "pussy strips"... Would that be a Jeanette-ism ? Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 16:29:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31LTX4Y030494; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:29:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31LTWTZ030484; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:29:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 16:29:06 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: Dave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice list... MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <470073EB.37C1E6F9.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Agreed. Let's talk about the subject of Gay vs. Strait. ;-) http://www.dribbleglass.com/subpages/strange/strait.htm Scooter In a message dated 4/1/2003 2:02:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dave@XXXXXX writes: > > > Top posted for effect: > > Please, no Kitchell bashing, not Jim bashing... Just let it > die. Let's resume our Coleman bashing thread, discuss > something productive like Chain v shaft, synth v. dino, front > v rear brake, HOV positive v HOV Negative... > > Dave > > > > >You are such a pussy. I tried to show some respect to > >this board by keeping such stuff off-list. What a > >lame mama's boy you are. Can't handle you own > >business so you go to all the mean listers for help. > > > >As I said..pure pussy! > > > >--- Jim McGonigle wrote: > >> > >> Make a comment that upsets someone and you get > >> branded a racist. Nice. > >> > >> -Jim > >> > >> PS And yes, I will forward private emails if your > >> going to use a public > >> board to begin an attack > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:36 PM > >> To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX > >> Subject: RE: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > >> > >> > >> The majority of voters in DC are black. DC's > >> politics > >> is black controlled. You know it. > >> > >> How about a literacy test or poll tax like they had > >> in > >> the south? Maybe that would keep those > >> 'uneducateds' > >> from voting. > >> > >> > >> --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > >> > > >> > Where did you get race out of this? > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: Mark Kitchell > >> > [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:33 PM > >> > > To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX > >> > > Subject: RE: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > RIGHT ON! > >> > > > >> > > Why did we ever give those blacks a vote anyway. > >> > >> > DC > >> > > is so full of them, right? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > --- Jim McGonigle > >> > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > The downsides of modern medicine... Can't > >> they > >> > just > >> > > > give you an > >> > > > inspection ticket like MD? "Confiscate" > >> > something > >> > > > "deemed"... No > >> > > > wonder the city council is a laughing stock. > >> > The > >> > > > best thing that could > >> > > > ever happen to DC is to completely lose their > >> > right > >> > > > to govern > >> > > > themselves! > >> > > > > >> > > > -Jim > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > From: Nun Yobizness > >> > [mailto:acelasmella@XXXXXX] > >> > > > > >> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:11 PM > >> > > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> > > > > Subject: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Washington Times, April 1, 2003. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Ima Clymer, Washington Times Staff Writer > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Doris McClaskey grimaced in disgust as the > >> > windows > >> > > > > rattled in her Northeast Washington home. > >> > "Them > >> > > > durn > >> > > > > Harleys," she said, as the spry 85-year-old > >> > widow > >> > > > > described the torment she has had to endure > >> > over > >> > > > the > >> > > > > years, as the motorcycles rolled down her > >> > narrow > >> > > > > street. "It's not just the Harleys, though, > >> > the > >> > > > kids > >> > > > > on the little 'Jap' rocket bikes as just as > >> > bad, > >> > > > with > >> > > > > their tinny, loud exhaust noises. Haven't > >> > these > >> > > > > nitwits heard of mufflers!?" > >> > > > > > >> > > > > McClaskey is not just complaining loudly and > >> > > > taking it > >> > > > > lying down. She and her neighbors have > >> formed > >> > the > >> > > > > Northeast Washington Cork It or Park It > >> > Movement, > >> > > > > (NEWCIPIM) in an effort to tone down the > >> noise > >> > and > >> > > > the > >> > > > > danger from out of control bikers. She's > >> > become a > >> > > > > potent political force and is enlisting the > >> > help > >> > > > of DC > >> > > > > politicians. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > NEWCIPIM has endorsed a new bill before the > >> DC > >> > > > Council > >> > > > > that would empower the police to stop and > >> > > > confiscate, > >> > > > > on the spot, any motorcycle deemed "loud" or > >> > > > ridden in > >> > > > > an unsafe manner. McClaskey has met with > >> the > >> > > > Mayor, > >> > > > > who gave tentative approval to the scheme, > >> > > > according > >> > > > > to knowledgable sources. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > A un-named mayor's aide said that if the > >> > police > >> > > > can > >> > > > > stop trucks near sensitive government areas, > >> > he > >> > > > sees > >> > > > > no reason why the same can't be done for > >> > "outlaw > >> > > > > bikers" who terrorize neighborhoods. "As > >> you > >> > > > know, in > >> > > > > this Administration, it's all about the > >> > > > > neighborhoods," the aide said. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Police Chief Charles Ramsey seems cool to > >> the > >> > > > idea. > >> > > > > "We had a deranged goober on a tractor hold > >> > the > >> > > > city > >> > > > > hostage for days, now we're supposed to stop > >> > > > bikers, > >> > > > > too?" Ramsey said through a spokesman. > >> Police > >> > > > sources > >> > > > > say "hundreds" of new sworn officers would > >> be > >> > > > needed > >> > > > > to enforce an anti-biker law. Expansion of > >> > the > >> > > > radar > >> > > > > camera program and a doubling of fines are > >> > being > >> > > > > explored to provide the needed funds. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > >> > > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, > >> calculators, > >> > > > forms, and more > >> > > > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ===== > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> __________________________________________________ > >> > > Do you Yahoo!? > >> > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, > >> > forms, and more > >> > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ===== > >> > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> > >=== message truncated === > > > > > >===== > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and > more > >http://platinum.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 17:03:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31M3D4Y002342; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:03:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31M3DC5002332; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:03:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:16:25 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Nice list... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Jeannette Zell wrote: > I must say that I continually find the term "pussy" used in such an > invective manner a bit amusing when done so by straight men. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 You're assuming Kitchell is straight, Jeanette. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 17:48:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31MmV4Y006638; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:48:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31MmUU2006628; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:48:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030401224828.5409.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:48:28 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Nice list... To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just ask Gimer --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Jeannette Zell wrote: > > > I must say that I continually find the term > "pussy" used in such an > > invective manner a bit amusing when done so by > straight men. > > > > - Jeannette > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > You're assuming Kitchell is straight, Jeanette. :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 18:33:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31NXN4Y010915; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:33:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31NXMxW010905; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:33:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01d201c2f8a7$6eb3cfe0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: [non-moto] For your 4/1 reading pleasure Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:34:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Take the April Fool's Day pop quiz.... Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 18:37:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31Nb54Y015281; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:37:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31Nb5d7015277; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:37:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01d801c2f8a7$f3d8e520$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Paul Wilson" , "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: [non-moto] For your 4/1 reading pleasure Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:39:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Doh, it'd be nice if the URL were included. http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/tests/afquiz.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" > Take the April Fool's Day pop quiz.... > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 18:38:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h31NcK4Y017382; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:38:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h31NcJmf017370; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:38:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:38:12 -0500 Subject: Re: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Robert Easton To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <006901c2f87a$a2a7a6f0$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> Message-Id: <00EBC312-649B-11D7-AEED-0050E4D0D26A@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) the district never lost any rights, it's in the US constitution: Section. 8. Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power ... Clause 17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, ... Bold added by me. So this self rule thing is actually Unconstitutional :-) On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 01:15 PM, Jim McGonigle wrote: > The best thing that could > ever happen to DC is to completely lose their right to govern > themselves! > > -Jim -- Robert AOL IM wingnut022074 "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Benjamin Franklin) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 19:02:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3202v4Y027860; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:02:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3202tFm027850; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:02:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Rob Sharp" To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:03:18 -0500 Message-Id: <20030402000221.M23699@sharpie.org> In-Reply-To: <03040114195122.22153@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: <20030401182932.18798.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> <03040114195122.22153@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.90 20030212 X-OriginatingIP: 205.226.130.6 (rob@XXXXXX) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 You have drag strippers outside your window? Maybe you should setup a stage and pole and start charging a cover charge instead of trying to break it up. :) Rob On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:19:51 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote > Actually I'd like the cops to enforce the speed limit and catch the > drag strippers who like to start it right outside my window at 2am. > I'm tempted to string up a wire between trees some night. > > Carl > > Yes, I'm running stock at the moment, but I'm planning on the Stage > One kit. > > On Tuesday 01 April 2003 13:29, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > So be it, but I can tell you I am totally sick of the > > rice boys blowing by my house with their "fart pipe" > > mufflers. I would *love* to see the cops on my street > > ticketing people for them! > > > > Glenn (who has a stock pipe on his VFR). > > > -- > So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk > if Windows Source Code is made public. > So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl > Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 19:12:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h320C04Y032352; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:12:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h320C09w032340; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:12:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E8A28ED.82E9102C@carlparker.com> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 19:03:57 -0500 From: Carl Parker Reply-To: carl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Re: Nice list... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Skip sed.... >I hear you can't wheelie a shft drive bike, and they don't countersteer, >either! Dude...that's absurd! ;^) Dejavue? Carl who is also Carl and has been a different Carl several times before this one From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 19:49:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h320nN4Y006086; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:49:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h320nM8X006076; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:49:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <28.3605d01d.2bbb8d88@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:49:12 EST Subject: Re: Nice list... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/1/2003 3:38:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dave@XXXXXX writes: > >I hear you can't wheelie a shft drive bike, and they don't > countersteer, > >either! And you cannot do a "nosie" with quiet pipes. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 19:52:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h320qA4Y008186; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:52:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h320qAI3008180; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:52:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:51:54 EST Subject: Re: Nice list... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/1/2003 3:58:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dave@XXXXXX writes: > [Dave] Perhaps we should now refer to the unworn edges of > the rear tire as "pussy strips"... What would that make the fine rubber "wires" that stick out of a new tire? John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 19:53:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h320rK4Y010172; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:53:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h320rKYV010165; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:53:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <012001c2f8b2$37ef1e00$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Nun Yobizness" , References: <20030401181039.1212.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:52:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Maybe they should take care of the shootings and the hoopties with no mufflers first. They can't even do that, can they... Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nun Yobizness" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:10 PM Subject: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > Washington Times, April 1, 2003. > > Ima Clymer, Washington Times Staff Writer > > Doris McClaskey grimaced in disgust as the windows > rattled in her Northeast Washington home. "Them durn > Harleys," she said, as the spry 85-year-old widow > described the torment she has had to endure over the > years, as the motorcycles rolled down her narrow > street. "It's not just the Harleys, though, the kids > on the little 'Jap' rocket bikes as just as bad, with > their tinny, loud exhaust noises. Haven't these > nitwits heard of mufflers!?" > > McClaskey is not just complaining loudly and taking it > lying down. She and her neighbors have formed the > Northeast Washington Cork It or Park It Movement, > (NEWCIPIM) in an effort to tone down the noise and the > danger from out of control bikers. She's become a > potent political force and is enlisting the help of DC > politicians. > > NEWCIPIM has endorsed a new bill before the DC Council > that would empower the police to stop and confiscate, > on the spot, any motorcycle deemed "loud" or ridden in > an unsafe manner. McClaskey has met with the Mayor, > who gave tentative approval to the scheme, according > to knowledgable sources. > > A un-named mayor's aide said that if the police can > stop trucks near sensitive government areas, he sees > no reason why the same can't be done for "outlaw > bikers" who terrorize neighborhoods. "As you know, in > this Administration, it's all about the > neighborhoods," the aide said. > > Police Chief Charles Ramsey seems cool to the idea. > "We had a deranged goober on a tractor hold the city > hostage for days, now we're supposed to stop bikers, > too?" Ramsey said through a spokesman. Police sources > say "hundreds" of new sworn officers would be needed > to enforce an anti-biker law. Expansion of the radar > camera program and a doubling of fines are being > explored to provide the needed funds. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 20:06:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3216v4Y018255; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:06:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3216u2e018245; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:06:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030401190640.00b3e818@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 19:07:03 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Nice list... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Huhhuhuhuhuhuh...Jeanette said "invective. Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 20:44:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h321iu4Y022434; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:44:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h321iunQ022424; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:44:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 20:36:31 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Nice list... To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3E8A3E9F.C511E91@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <006e01c2f87f$6b456440$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> Jim McGonigle wrote: > > Make a comment that upsets someone and you get branded a racist. Nice. > > -Jim Kitchell's definition of a racist is anybody winning an argument with a Liberal. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 22:13:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h323DQ4Y026841; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:13:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h323DPca026831; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:13:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <019001c2f8c5$c343c740$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: Subject: Re: Nice list... Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:12:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7925af73a876ecd3f4a21e5685dfa2238a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c John wondered aloud - > In a message dated 4/1/2003 3:58:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Dave@XXXXXX writes: > > > [Dave] Perhaps we should now refer to the unworn edges of > > the rear tire as "pussy strips"... > > What would that make the fine rubber "wires" that stick out of a new tire? [Dave] Whiskers? They'd only be there on an 'unshaven' tire ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 22:28:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h323Sp4Y030956; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:28:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h323So7f030946; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:28:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 22:28:38 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [non-moto] For your 4/1 reading pleasure MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4044F065.6E3882EB.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I got 9 out of 16 correct. :-) Scooter In a message dated 4/1/2003 6:39:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > > > Doh, it'd be nice if the URL were included. > > http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/tests/afquiz.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Wilson" > > > > Take the April Fool's Day pop quiz.... > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 22:31:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h323Vi4Y000612; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:31:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h323VgXr000597; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:31:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030402033140.40951.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:31:40 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Nice list... To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030401202714.61272.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: > lets see: ring: $3000, ... > honeymoon: $2500,... and > appliances: $2000 Whoa! Something's out of whack in the Patton household! $2500 -- where'd you go, the Anacostia Hilton? And unless these are some sort of sexual prosthetic "appliances" you're talking about, you got off (pun intended) easily. Relax, my friend, the worst is yet to come. Count on it. 8;) -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 22:32:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h323Wg4Y000657; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:32:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h323Wf3R000651; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:32:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030402033239.49225.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:32:39 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Nice list... To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, Dave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <470073EB.37C1E6F9.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Agreed. Let's talk about the subject of Gay vs. Strait. Marvin Gay versus George Strait? No content... -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 1 22:34:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h323Yf4Y002816; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:34:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h323YfTr002805; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:34:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030402033438.56615.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:34:38 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? To: "S. Russell" , Nun Yobizness , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <012001c2f8b2$37ef1e00$0200000a@Godzilla> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii yeah, 'they' can't --- "S. Russell" wrote: > Maybe they should take care of the shootings and the > hoopties with no > mufflers first. They can't even do that, can > they... > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nun Yobizness" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:10 PM > Subject: New DC anti-bike regs on the way?? > > > > Washington Times, April 1, 2003. > > > > Ima Clymer, Washington Times Staff Writer > > > > Doris McClaskey grimaced in disgust as the windows > > rattled in her Northeast Washington home. "Them > durn > > Harleys," she said, as the spry 85-year-old widow > > described the torment she has had to endure over > the > > years, as the motorcycles rolled down her narrow > > street. "It's not just the Harleys, though, the > kids > > on the little 'Jap' rocket bikes as just as bad, > with > > their tinny, loud exhaust noises. Haven't these > > nitwits heard of mufflers!?" > > > > McClaskey is not just complaining loudly and > taking it > > lying down. She and her neighbors have formed the > > Northeast Washington Cork It or Park It Movement, > > (NEWCIPIM) in an effort to tone down the noise and > the > > danger from out of control bikers. She's become a > > potent political force and is enlisting the help > of DC > > politicians. > > > > NEWCIPIM has endorsed a new bill before the DC > Council > > that would empower the police to stop and > confiscate, > > on the spot, any motorcycle deemed "loud" or > ridden in > > an unsafe manner. McClaskey has met with the > Mayor, > > who gave tentative approval to the scheme, > according > > to knowledgable sources. > > > > A un-named mayor's aide said that if the police > can > > stop trucks near sensitive government areas, he > sees > > no reason why the same can't be done for "outlaw > > bikers" who terrorize neighborhoods. "As you > know, in > > this Administration, it's all about the > > neighborhoods," the aide said. > > > > Police Chief Charles Ramsey seems cool to the > idea. > > "We had a deranged goober on a tractor hold the > city > > hostage for days, now we're supposed to stop > bikers, > > too?" Ramsey said through a spokesman. Police > sources > > say "hundreds" of new sworn officers would be > needed > > to enforce an anti-biker law. Expansion of the > radar > > camera program and a doubling of fines are being > > explored to provide the needed funds. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, > forms, and more > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 07:08:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32C8O4Y017441; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 07:08:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32C8O9l017431; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 07:08:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:08:06 -0500 From: Dan Brown Subject: Why? X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030402070534.03522cf8@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT aren't there any "good" ways to get from Arlington to Spotsylvania? And, by good, I mean, the Superslab through Springfield doesn't count. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 07:33:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32CXT4Y023859; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 07:33:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32CXTYD023849; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 07:33:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E8AD85E.8A4A45A5@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:32:30 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice list... References: <20030402033140.40951.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > --- matthew patton wrote: > > > lets see: ring: $3000, ... > > honeymoon: $2500,... > > and > > > appliances: $2000 > > Whoa! Something's out of whack in the Patton household! > > $2500 -- where'd you go, the Anacostia Hilton? I got off almost free! Back in the good ol' days, daddy of the pride paid for the wedding, grooms just showed up or *else*. Her very nice dress cost Pops $125. I forked out $20 for a tux, $10 for flowers. Honeymoon, maybe a few hundred in rooms, meals, and gas for my wedding deco trashed car. Ah yes, the good ol' days. House on a half acre in Annandale VA = $26,500. New mid-size motorcycles = $2,000... *sigh* Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 07:37:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32CbX4Y027915; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 07:37:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32CbWTR027910; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 07:37:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E8AD8D4.3A13F3C7@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:34:28 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Brown CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Why? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030402070534.03522cf8@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan Brown wrote: > aren't there any "good" ways to get from Arlington to Spotsylvania? > > And, by good, I mean, the Superslab through Springfield doesn't count. > > -- > Resist or Serve Helicopter. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 07:38:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32CcY4Y027979; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 07:38:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32CcXht027969; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 07:38:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice list... Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 07:35:08 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030402033140.40951.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> <3E8AD85E.8A4A45A5@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E8AD85E.8A4A45A5@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03040207350828.22153@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 02 April 2003 07:32, William J. Huson wrote: > > Ah yes, the good ol' days. House on a half acre in Annandale VA = > $26,500. New mid-size motorcycles = $2,000... *sigh* > I thought you were gone. > Bill :-) Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 07:57:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32CvY4Y001682; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 07:57:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32CvXTj001672; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 07:57:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200304021257.ADL06332@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 07:57:30 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Nice list... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Boasted: >Ah yes, the good ol' days. House on a half acre in Annandale VA = >$26,500. New mid-size motorcycles = $2,000... *sigh* [Dave] That's just.... depressing. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 08:02:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32D2D4Y005754; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:02:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32D2Dds005750; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:02:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Why? Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 07:58:47 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030402070534.03522cf8@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030402070534.03522cf8@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03040207584729.22153@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 02 April 2003 07:08, Dan Brown wrote: > aren't there any "good" ways to get from Arlington to Spotsylvania? > > And, by good, I mean, the Superslab through Springfield doesn't count. > What are you trying to accomplish? Do you commute to Spotsy? Visit once in a while. Looking for an interesting ride? Hmmm, you can slide over to Rt 1, take GW Parkway down to Rt 1 again. Take the Fairfax Parkway to 29 south to 17. Go east and you're in Falmouth. Also, after GWP, you can take 1 South to Woodbridge, take the PW Parkway to Manassas and again hit 29 south to 17. I forget how, but head east to Rt 301 and then south. That comes out south of F'burg. You can hit 66 west to Skyline Drive. Head south to 211 and head East. Hit 29 and head south to 17. There's always heading NW on 270. Follow the signs to 70 West. When you hit Arkansas head south into Tennessee. Head west until you get to The Dragon. Enjoy the ride into North Carolina. Hunt for Skyline Drive and head up to 211. Head east to 29 and then 17 south. Carl > > -- > Resist or Serve Submit or Die! -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 08:04:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32D4e4Y007882; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:04:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32D4etF007872; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:04:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030402130438.16712.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 05:04:38 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Nice list... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200304021257.ADL06332@ms2.verisignmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK, but wasn't $10,000 a good salary then? have things gotten more expensive in real dollars? Any old guys know? --- Dave Yates wrote: > Bill Boasted: > > >Ah yes, the good ol' days. House on a half acre in > > Annandale VA = > >$26,500. New mid-size motorcycles = $2,000... > *sigh* > > [Dave] That's just.... depressing. > > Dave Yates > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 08:23:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32DNa4Y016018; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:23:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32DNaVW016008; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:23:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E8AE421.3FE3ACB3@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:22:41 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice list... References: <20030402130438.16712.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > OK, but wasn't $10,000 a good salary then? have > things gotten more expensive in real dollars? Any old > guys know? > Good point. In 1966 I taught school for a qhopper salary of $5,200/year. I think about `81 when I bought the Suzuki I was making about $15K. In `66 gas was about 25 cent a gallon, and a 1 bdrm apartment went for about $400/mo. A new econo cra about $2,000. I paid $26,500 for my house in 1970, new county assesment more'n 300K, market value headed toward 400K. Someone will have to do the math to figure out if we're losing or gaining. The one figure I know is way out whack is the minimum wage. It should be around $10 to $12/hour now. The consumer items I deal with practically every day have risen 8X-10X, while the miimum wage has risen less than 3X. Pitiful... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 08:24:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32DOo4Y018128; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:24:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32DOniX018120; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:24:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E8AE46A.642DEDA7@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:23:55 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice list... References: <20030402033140.40951.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> <3E8AD85E.8A4A45A5@patriot.net> <03040207350828.22153@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > On Wednesday 02 April 2003 07:32, William J. Huson wrote: > > > > Ah yes, the good ol' days. House on a half acre in Annandale VA = > > $26,500. New mid-size motorcycles = $2,000... *sigh* > > > > I thought you were gone. > Got back last night, anxious to put Floridumb in my sixes. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 08:26:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32DQB4Y020248; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:26:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32DQABV020239; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:26:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E8AE4B9.9C51F473@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:25:13 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice list... References: <200304021257.ADL06332@ms2.verisignmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > Bill Boasted: > > >Ah yes, the good ol' days. House on a half acre in > Annandale VA = > >$26,500. New mid-size motorcycles = $2,000... *sigh* > > [Dave] That's just.... depressing. > > Dave Yates Yeah, at those prices we could by five scoots for the price of one, different colors for different moods, etc etc... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 08:26:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32DQa4Y022355; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:26:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32DQabI022349; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:26:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030402132558.50195.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 05:25:58 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: Why? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <03040207584729.22153@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Have they moved the roads and/or states? Last time I lived in Arkansas, I-70 ran through Missouri (to the north). If you stayed on it, you'd hit the Pacific before Arkansas. If you did somehow make it to Arkansas, if you headed south you'd hit either Louisiana or Texas. Every time I went to Tennessee I had to head east across the Mississippi.... Brian Ray > There's always heading NW on 270. Follow the signs > to 70 West. When you hit > Arkansas head south into Tennessee. Head west until > you get to The Dragon. > Enjoy the ride into North Carolina. Hunt for Skyline > Drive and head up to > 211. Head east to 29 and then 17 south. > > Carl __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 08:40:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32Dej4Y032307; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:40:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32Deivn032297; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:40:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E8AE7B9.40306@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:38:01 -0500 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice list... References: <20030402033140.40951.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> <3E8AD85E.8A4A45A5@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E8AD85E.8A4A45A5@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit William J. Huson wrote: >Ah yes, the good ol' days. House on a half acre in Annandale VA = >$26,500. New mid-size motorcycles = $2,000... *sigh* > >Bill > > Damn. Does that make you 100? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 09:46:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32EkM4Y004469; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:46:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32EkLsa004459; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:46:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 09:45:44 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: pltrgyst@XXXXXX, Dave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice list... MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5BBCAF4A.46D2886C.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sorry. The first message I sent stripped the attachment. I sent a second with the following link. Try this. http://www.dribbleglass.com/subpages/strange/strait.htm Scooter In a message dated 4/1/2003 10:32:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, pltrgyst@XXXXXX writes: > > > > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > Agreed. Let's talk about the subject of Gay vs. Strait. > > Marvin Gay versus George Strait? No content... > > -- Larry > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and > more > http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 09:50:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32EoS4Y004541; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:50:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32EoReO004535; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:50:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Why? Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:51:44 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030402132558.50195.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030402132558.50195.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03040211514401.02809@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I didn't check the maps of course. I was thinking of the central east-west freeway. 70? 76? And, now that I check, I was thinking of Kentucky. Hey, what do you want from an on the fly answer? I thought the point of a nice long drive was to get lost ;-) Carl On Wednesday 02 April 2003 08:25, Brian Ray wrote: > Have they moved the roads and/or states? Last time I > lived in Arkansas, I-70 ran through Missouri (to the > north). If you stayed on it, you'd hit the Pacific > before Arkansas. If you did somehow make it to > Arkansas, if you headed south you'd hit either > Louisiana or Texas. Every time I went to Tennessee I > had to head east across the Mississippi.... > > Brian Ray > > > There's always heading NW on 270. Follow the signs > > to 70 West. When you hit > > Arkansas head south into Tennessee. Head west until > > you get to The Dragon. > > Enjoy the ride into North Carolina. Hunt for Skyline > > Drive and head up to > > 211. Head east to 29 and then 17 south. > > > > Carl > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 10:11:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32FBr4Y012745; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:11:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32FBqpM012729; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:11:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [141.156.119.11] X-Originating-Email: [johnnyteardrop@XXXXXX] From: "Greg Thompson" To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: strapping a bike in a U-Haul truck Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:12:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2003 15:11:45.0976 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D0FFB80:01C2F92A] i'm moving next week, and am planning on putting my bike in the truck with all the rest of my stuff. has anyone done this? is it sufficient to place it all the way at the front of the truck against the side wall (w/ padding) with the front wheel against the front wall and strap it to the side rail? any alternate suggestions? thanks. -- -greg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 10:21:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32FLO4Y019347; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:21:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32FLNHd019335; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:21:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030402102040.02328d78@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 10:21:09 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: ZX 6 Tractor ad Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Pretty amusing ad. http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle/zx6_500.mpg ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 10:29:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32FTV4Y025730; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:29:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32FTVDN025722; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:29:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E8B019F.3B6E1DEB@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 10:28:31 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Thompson CC: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: strapping a bike in a U-Haul truck References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greg Thompson wrote: > i'm moving next week, and am planning on putting my bike in the truck with > all the rest of my stuff. has anyone done this? is it sufficient to place > it all the way at the front of the truck against the side wall (w/ padding) > with the front wheel against the front wall and strap it to the side rail? > any alternate suggestions? > > thanks. > -- > -greg My friend hauled his Honda from CA crossways in the Ryder truck. I've strappped them in longways with pads and such. The tie downs points on renter trucks blow wads, have plenty of rope. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 10:35:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32FZJ4Y027882; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:35:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32FZH7q027867; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:35:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] X-Originating-Email: [robkeiser@XXXXXX] From: "Rob Keiser" To: johnnyteardrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: strapping a bike in a U-Haul truck Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 10:24:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2003 15:24:08.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7BB31B0:01C2F92B] Personally, I'd feel better if my bike was in the middle, pushed all the way to the front of the truck, in gear, with 4 tie downs points. Then pack some stuff around it all. That is, if you have the room. Soft ties can be a big help when using the side rails inside the truck. And be careful riding it up the ramp! Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Greg Thompson" To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: strapping a bike in a U-Haul truck Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:12:50 -0500 i'm moving next week, and am planning on putting my bike in the truck with all the rest of my stuff. has anyone done this? is it sufficient to place it all the way at the front of the truck against the side wall (w/ padding) with the front wheel against the front wall and strap it to the side rail? any alternate suggestions? thanks. -- -greg _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 10:48:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32Fmx4Y001539; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:48:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32FmtcA001532; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:48:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:48:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200304021048.AA57082316@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: strapping a bike in a U-Haul truck X-Mailer: I've carried my CB750F several times in rental trucks. Great way to pick up the truck - ride to the truck, then drive back with the bike in the back. No problems, using four tie-downs. Don't put the bike on the sidestand or centerstand, as you want the bike's suspension to soak up the bumps. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Greg Thompson" Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:12:50 -0500 >i'm moving next week, and am planning on putting my bike in the truck with >all the rest of my stuff. has anyone done this? is it sufficient to place >it all the way at the front of the truck against the side wall (w/ padding) >with the front wheel against the front wall and strap it to the side rail? >any alternate suggestions? > >thanks. >-- > -greg > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 11:14:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32GEN4Y005820; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:14:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32GEN2p005810; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:14:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E8B0C27.2704AC31@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 11:13:27 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Throttle rocker report... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Prior to my voyage to Floridumb, I stopped by the Harley dealer to fetch fresh oil and filter and picked up a gizmo called a "Throttle Boss". It's a rubber thingy that loops around the end of the twist grip. Of course, stretching it out to go around the fat foam H-D grips was a grunt. Someone here mentioned they could change the position of thier gizmo without a reinstall, and that was the case with this one. Just sort of pull on the little one inch heel pad thing and shift it. I made a couple adjustments to get it right. Took me a few tries to get the hang of not inducing unintentional throttle blips while downshifting and braking, still happens now and again. I took it off for townie travel. But the throttle rocker tab kicks butt on the highway. Gone - the normal buzz and numbness of my go-juice paw. Not as cool as the Vista Cruise thang I had my old Suzuki, but a definate improvement in cruising comfort. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 11:27:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32GRC4Y012284; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:27:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32GRCk7012275; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:27:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa7lbwuDkp23uJ85WJLuhfcIGdMQhKPNwFClydlvazAOqN/0Suw3O+VkpoqaWW6+no= From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: CPI (was nice list) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:27:09 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83102D54@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830F4A38@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 It's called the consumer price index. http://www.bls.gov/cpi/home.htm On it is an inflation calculator: http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl Answers all your questions. Of course, if you weren't so busy being a racist homophobe, you'd know these things, you pussy. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 8:05 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice list... OK, but wasn't $10,000 a good salary then? have things gotten more expensive in real dollars? Any old guys know? --- Dave Yates wrote: > Bill Boasted: > > >Ah yes, the good ol' days. House on a half acre in > > Annandale VA = > >$26,500. New mid-size motorcycles = $2,000... > *sigh* > > [Dave] That's just.... depressing. > > Dave Yates > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 11:44:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32GiY4Y018787; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:44:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32GiYlg018782; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:44:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003901c2f935$58ab4f00$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> From: "Shigeru Honda" To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030402102040.02328d78@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: ZX 6 Tractor ad Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:31:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 That's cool & funny but I wonder why do they need to say "F*ck *ou" in an ad.... Is it a real commercial in Europe? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: ZX 6 Tractor ad > Pretty amusing ad. > > http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle/zx6_500.mpg > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 11:54:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32Gsb4Y020979; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:54:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32GsbtH020969; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:54:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030402115409.02194968@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 11:54:31 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: ZX 6 Tractor ad In-Reply-To: <003901c2f935$58ab4f00$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030402102040.02328d78@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed No idea on either count. Emailed from a friend. At 11:31 AM 4/2/2003, Shigeru Honda wrote: >That's cool & funny but I wonder why do they need to say "F*ck *ou" in an >ad.... >Is it a real commercial in Europe? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 13:11:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32IB14Y027798; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:11:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32IB0P5027788; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:11:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030402181057.16643.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:10:57 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Why? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030402132558.50195.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Brian Ray wrote: > Have they moved the roads and/or states? Last time > I > lived in Arkansas, I-70 ran through Missouri (to the > north). If you stayed on it, you'd hit the Pacific > before Arkansas. If you did somehow make it to > Arkansas, if you headed south you'd hit either > Louisiana or Texas. Every time I went to Tennessee > I > had to head east across the Mississippi.... I'll go check it out for you. Got a business trip starting Monday. If all goes well I'll stop for lunch in Little Rock on Saturday the 12th. I'll be going west though, so if the states are where the map shows them, I'll go from Mississippi north to TN then west into AR on I40. 7700 miles in 3 weeks and a couple of days at Uncle Sam's per diem rate. I like getting paid to go ride. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 13:31:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32IVD4Y032041; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:31:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32IVDHT032033; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:31:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030402183106.35033.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:31:06 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ray Subject: AR Roads To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030402181057.16643.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Leon - If you have any choice in the matter, ride pretty much *any* road other than I-40 through AR. I've driven it many times in a cage, and the steady thump-thump-thump of the expansion joints in the road gets old *real* fast. They may have improved it in the last 5 years since I drove it last, but it's a boring, straight stretch of road through the Arkansas river delta. Blech. If you can, the roads through the Ozarks in North Arkansas are all wonderfully twisty. This time of year the dogwood, redbud, and serviceberry will all be in full bloom. I loved driving Highway 23 from I-40 up to Fayetteville, though. It got it's name (the Pig Trail) both from the college students who drove it (Goooo Hogs! Arkansas! Razorbacks!) as well curving like a pigs tail. If you can make it to Eureka Springs in NW AR, it's well worth the trip. If you want any other ideas, I'll be happy to let you know... Brian Ray --- Leon Begeman wrote: > I'll go check it out for you. Got a business trip > starting Monday. If all goes well I'll stop for > lunch > in Little Rock on Saturday the 12th. I'll be going > west though, so if the states are where the map > shows > them, I'll go from Mississippi north to TN then west > into AR on I40. > > 7700 miles in 3 weeks and a couple of days at Uncle > Sam's per diem rate. I like getting paid to go > ride. > > Leon. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 13:53:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32IrM4Y004138; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:53:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32IrLeG004128; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:53:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] X-Originating-Email: [robkeiser@XXXXXX] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr-digest@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: COTU4 DC Metro trip.... Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 13:42:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2003 18:42:14.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[942D34A0:01C2F947] >From the desk of Justin Lemrow: All, I'm happy to report it looks like spring is finally upon us. Let's hope the weather keeps getting better :) I've put together a tentative route and schedule for the DC Metro COTU IV contingency. The link below contains an outline of the ride and route, as well as some general information. Please feel free to email me if you have any questions regarding the tour. http://www.motorcyclegrouptours.com/tours/t-COTUIV.htm Lastly, although I've ridden with most of you, if the folks that haven't ridden with us have any specific questions or concerns, please feel free to email me directly. (Chances are if you're wondering something, someone else in the group is too!) We look forward to another great trip this year. :) Ride Safe, Justin PS If any updates are made I will send out notification to the group. http://www.MotorcycleGroupTours.com _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 13:55:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32Itf4Y010658; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:55:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32ItfSH010651; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:55:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [141.156.119.11] X-Originating-Email: [johnnyteardrop@XXXXXX] From: "Greg Thompson" To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: montreal riders? Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:55:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2003 18:55:34.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[70EB1AA0:01C2F949] does anyone out there know of any web sites or mailing lists for riders in montreal or the province of quebec up in the great white north? -- -greg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 14:15:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32JFL4Y019194; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:15:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32JFKKA019179; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:15:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E8B34D7.BBFFAE28@carlparker.com> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:07:03 -0500 From: Carl Parker Reply-To: carl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Tire change place update in NOVA.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey I thought Fairfax Cycles at Fairfax Circle was closed cuz' I rode by there one time and the shop was gone. Turns out they just moved around the corner which is great. They're a chill garage. Anywho, I just called the dude over there and he said they charge 20 per rim if you bring it in. 40 if it's still on the bike. 703.591.8556 if ya wanna call. I called Crossroad Cycles at Bailey Crossroads (703.820.3711), also a chill shop, and they charge 25 per rim and 40 if on the bike. I'd like to change em' myself but don't really have the set up for it...plus I do so much mail ordering that sometimes I like to lay out some ducats locally. FWIW, Carl who is also a Carl who needs new tires. :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 14:57:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32JvN4Y025941; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:57:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32JvNmv025929; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:57:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030402195716.10308.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:57:16 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: AR Roads To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030402183106.35033.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I-40 hasn't improved squat. Try US62 (I think) or any of the US highways that generally parallel I-40 for a far more enjoyable ride. ===== Windows XP Professional is built upon the rock-solid reliability of Windows NT technology, the architechture that is so fundamentally limited that it does not support the changes required to remove significant security vulnerabilities. How exactly would leaving Saddam in power promote peace and justice in Iraq? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 15:22:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32KMm4Y030242; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:22:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32KMl9V030232; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:22:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 15:20:22 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: ZX 6 Tractor ad To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3E8B4606.7488E16B@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030402102040.02328d78@mail.wheatintl.com> Troutman wrote: > > Pretty amusing ad. > > http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle/zx6_500.mpg Imagine my surprise when this wasn't about yet another John Deere Ninja. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 16:02:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32L2W4Y004184; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:02:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h32L2WG8004176; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:02:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030402210224.78237.qmail@web12207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:02:24 -0800 (PST) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Nice list... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii in)B·vec·tive Pronunciation: in-'vek-tiv Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English invectif, from Middle French, from Latin invectivus, from invectus, past participle of invehere Date: 15th century : of, relating to, or characterized by insult or abuse - in)B·vec·tive·ly adverb - in)B·vec·tive·ness noun You have a point. Now if you will excuse me, I must return to practicing my lesbianism. - Corbett '00 K1200RS '82 XL 250R (recently out of mothballs afer 21 yrs, my first street legal bike!) --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > I must say that I continually find the term "pussy" > used in such an > invective manner a bit amusing when done so by > straight men. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > > >From: Dave Yates > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Nice list... > >Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:02:00 -0500 > > > >Top posted for effect: > > > >Please, no Kitchell bashing, not Jim bashing... > Just let it > >die. Let's resume our Coleman bashing thread, > discuss > >something productive like Chain v shaft, synth v. > dino, front > >v rear brake, HOV positive v HOV Negative... > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > >You are such a pussy. I tried to show some > respect to > > >this board by keeping such stuff off-list. What > a > > >lame mama's boy you are. Can't handle you own > > >business so you go to all the mean listers for > help. > > > > > >As I said..pure pussy! > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 20:57:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h331vw4Y016072; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:57:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h331vsuE016057; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:57:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02de01c2f984$63807f00$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: References: Subject: Bike Night announced Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:57:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 On April 18th, a place on 11th Street NW called Bound http://dc.bound.org/ is having a bike night. I must say that it is an interesting club to say the least. Anyone going? Scott 1984 CB700SC Nighthawk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 2 21:04:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h332454Y020562; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:04:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33245Pp020549; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:04:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030402210108.01144510@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 21:04:27 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: 50 through WVA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm planning the Marietta trip, and considering running 50 all the way through to Marietta. I have heard 50 is pretty fun through the mountains - I'm sure a few of you have run it through to Ohio. Any info? Looks to be around 250 miles. I'll be taking a more leisurely trip back. Any 'must hit' roads besides 33? I enjoy 60 past White Sulpher Springs too. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 05:12:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33AC94Y001068; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 05:12:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33AC73n001058; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 05:12:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 05:05:05 -0500 Subject: Tire story From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I am planning a trip to Central America in June and needed two tires. My size is a little odd so I wanted one to mount and one to have in reserve in case of ruining one along the way. I ordered from Discount Cycle Tires mid afternoon on 3/31. They arrived 4/2. But they were labeled with stickers from Parts Unlimited. They must have some drop ship type arrangement going on. In any case good price- $219 for two- including shipping and good service. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 07:57:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33Cvt4Y008417; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 07:57:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33Cvqp9008402; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 07:57:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaYITBFfTgYm5jxxWA4pAmhxJwDjIL+ezjilkdLUcNu+DR1f/WyoFdQIJlRE3XoJwg= From: "Jon Strang" To: "'S. Russell'" , Subject: RE: Bike Night announced Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 07:57:50 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E23B2@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830F4AB7@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Heh. What a great place for a DC-cycles bike night. -----Original Message----- From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 8:57 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Night announced On April 18th, a place on 11th Street NW called Bound http://dc.bound.org/ is having a bike night. I must say that it is an interesting club to say the least. Anyone going? Scott 1984 CB700SC Nighthawk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 08:07:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33D7W4Y012605; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:07:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33D7Vkm012590; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:07:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E8C31D8.2F41C55F@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 08:06:32 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 50 through WVA References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030402210108.01144510@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > I'm planning the Marietta trip, and considering running 50 all the way > through to Marietta. I have heard 50 is pretty fun through the mountains - > I'm sure a few of you have run it through to Ohio. Any info? Looks to be > around 250 miles. I'll be taking a more leisurely trip back. Any 'must > hit' roads besides 33? I enjoy 60 past White Sulpher Springs too. Unless 50 has been rerouted, you'll see a few twisties fer sure. Last time I took 50 I was towing the boat race trailer and I could see the trailer taillights in my periphial vision on a few on the curves. Fun! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 08:22:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33DMU4Y016849; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:22:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33DMTKx016839; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:22:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [12.3.60.40] X-Originating-Email: [gingerdc9@XXXXXX] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: macda@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night announced Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 08:22:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2003 13:22:22.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F6AEA80:01C2F9E4] Been there, long time ago in my single days. Fun place. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: "S. Russell" >Reply-To: "S. Russell" >To: >Subject: Bike Night announced >Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:57:22 -0500 > >On April 18th, a place on 11th Street NW called Bound http://dc.bound.org/ >is having a bike night. I must say that it is an interesting club to say >the least. > >Anyone going? > >Scott >1984 CB700SC Nighthawk > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 08:59:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33DxL4Y021257; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:59:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33DxLtB021247; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:59:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'johnnyteardrop@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Tie down suggestions Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:58:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Go up on the net and look up MC transport or something along those lines. I tie mine down all the time. If you see some dirt biker rolling around in their "rig" stop and ask. Bring your bike all the way forward. Compress the front forks so there is no bounce. Tie downs are available at most MC shops for bikes with lots of plastic. These use a Velcro "glove" over the grips. Anyway... find your anchor points, compress the forks and tighten the front end down. Use tie down straps not rope! Put a half-hitch (or 2) in the strap to ensure the compression buckle doesn't let strap play out, once you tighten down. Next 2 points will be towards the rear of the bike off of the frame on I use my sub frame below the seat about in alignment with the swing arm. Find your anchor points tighten. I use 6 points, 2 fork, 2 rear frame, then I do 2 more about midbike, you don't really need the midpoints but I get my warm and fuzzy from have the 2 additional. Again, hit the net, I'm sure there are a lot of pages... the most important piece of information I can give is ensure your front forks are compressed (bounce will loosen your anchor points) and DO NOT RIDE YOUR BIKE UP THE RAMP, push it (this will require 2 people) unless you have a very wide ramp. Riding up the ramp is not the problem, stopping on the truck bed is. One more thing... do not load up hill, and it really helps if your truck can be pointing downhill, this decreases the loading grade or angle, the flatter the better. ciao From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 09:34:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33EYs4Y027911; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:34:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33EYreA027901; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:34:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 09:34:36 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: macda@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night announced MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2B8C66D4.4061AA2E.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In a message dated 4/2/2003 8:58:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, macda@XXXXXX writes: > > > On April 18th, a place on 11th Street NW called Bound http://dc.bound.org/ > is having a bike night. I must say that it is an interesting club to say > the least. > > Anyone going? > > Scott > 1984 CB700SC Nighthawk Hmmmmmmm........sounds interesting. I might have to venture over there. ;-) Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) AFRA #17 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 09:48:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33Em64Y032123; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:48:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33Em6H0032112; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:48:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030403084726.03d9c4a8@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 08:48:03 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: This is TOO COOL! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Wish I started racing this young....I'd show that Valentino Rossi a thing or two..... http://www.minimotoclub.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=411 Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 09:51:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33Ep74Y004202; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:51:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33Ep6QC004194; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:51:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030403145059.95790.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 06:50:59 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Nice list... To: Mark Kitchell , Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030401224828.5409.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii what is the question? --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Just ask Gimer > > > --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > > On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Jeannette Zell wrote: > > > > > I must say that I continually find the term > > "pussy" used in such an > > > invective manner a bit amusing when done so by > > straight men. > > > > > > - Jeannette > > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > You're assuming Kitchell is straight, Jeanette. :-) > > > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 09:55:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33EtQ4Y008368; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:55:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33EtQIW008361; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:55:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030403145518.86211.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 06:55:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Bike Night announced To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, macda@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2B8C66D4.4061AA2E.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bound is wild. Be prepared. If you bring a girl, don't be the jealous kind. --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 4/2/2003 8:58:12 PM Eastern > Standard Time, macda@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > On April 18th, a place on 11th Street NW called > Bound http://dc.bound.org/ > > is having a bike night. I must say that it is an > interesting club to say > > the least. > > > > Anyone going? > > > > Scott > > 1984 CB700SC Nighthawk > > > Hmmmmmmm........sounds interesting. I might have to > venture over there. ;-) > > Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) > AFRA #17 > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 09:57:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33EvF4Y010529; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:57:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33EvFuA010520; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:57:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:57:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200304030957.AA4155965710@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: This is TOO COOL! X-Mailer: I think the pink bike and the pink "Baby Tweety" leathers were the best part. "I tot I taw a puddy tat!" Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Sean Jordan Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 08:48:03 -0600 >Wish I started racing this young....I'd show that Valentino Rossi a thing >or two..... > >http://www.minimotoclub.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=411 > >Sean Jordan > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 10:40:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33FeX4Y019005; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:40:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33FeUrP018990; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:40:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030403154022.41831.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 07:40:22 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: This is TOO COOL! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030403084726.03d9c4a8@mail.mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Most of them don't look very happy, though. CW --- Sean Jordan wrote: > Wish I started racing this young....I'd show that > Valentino Rossi a thing > or two..... > > http://www.minimotoclub.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=411 > > Sean Jordan > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 10:52:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33FqT4Y021273; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:52:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33FqQCZ021258; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:52:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: This is TOO COOL! Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:52:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030403155218.FFQJ23518.lakemtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Maybe it's just me, but I just can't take that "sport" seriously. It reminds me too much of those circus clowns riding around on tricycles. > > From: Chris Weaver > Date: 2003/04/03 Thu AM 10:40:22 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: This is TOO COOL! > > Most of them don't look very happy, though. > > CW > > --- Sean Jordan wrote: > > Wish I started racing this young....I'd show that > > Valentino Rossi a thing > > or two..... > > > > http://www.minimotoclub.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=411 > > > > Sean Jordan > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 10:54:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33FsA4Y023420; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:54:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33FsAuk023411; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:54:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 10:53:48 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This is TOO COOL! MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <32470A7C.5BC248B6.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Anybody notice the kids with the moustaches in the podium pic. Eighth pic down from the top. :-|) Midgets? LOL Scooter In a message dated 4/3/2003 10:40:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, chris_vtr@XXXXXX writes: > > > Most of them don't look very happy, though. > > CW > > --- Sean Jordan wrote: > > Wish I started racing this young....I'd show that > > Valentino Rossi a thing > > or two..... > > > > http://www.minimotoclub.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=411 > > > > Sean Jordan > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and > more > http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 13:08:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33I8x4Y032431; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:08:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33I8wX8032421; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:08:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14515883@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'carl@XXXXXX'" Subject: Tire change 1. 2. 3. Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:10:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Carl Parker Posted, "Fairfax Cycles . . . they charge 20 per rim if you bring it in. 40 if it's still on the bike. 703.591.8556 if ya wanna call. Crossroad Cycles at Bailey Crossroads (703.820.3711) . . . they charge 25 per rim and 40 if on the bike. " & Protested, "I'd like to change em' myself but don't really have the set up for it...plus I do so much mail ordering that sometimes I like to lay out some ducats locally." 1. Cycle Accessories Discount in Gaithersburg Uh now: Cad Cycles Inc 429 E Diamond Ave # A, Gaithersburg, MD 20877 Phone: (301) 977-7188 Just called, Still $15 to mount and balance. 2. Other: pick up a copy of "Motorcycle Times" and check out the open houses. Sometimes they have tire deals including mounting (Bought 2.5 sets at Cycle USA's Spring deal until they started getting tight in 1999.) 3. DIY: I have the Mark II Bead Buster somewhere (two 2X4's, a block, a screw, and a strap) plus, home brewed lube, and tahr arns. Craig wanted to watch so set a date, & we'll rassel 'em off an on. Carl in Bethesda (Checking Heysers' Open House on Saturday) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 13:27:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33IRa4Y008619; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:27:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33IRZAE008609; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:27:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030403182732.52640.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:27:32 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Harbor Freight Tirechanger Procedure? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all. I recently received the Harbor Freight tire changer and motorcycle adapter. As you might have imagined, the shipping was piss-poor. Virtually no padding inside the box so the metal gouged through the cardboard and it was missing a bunch of hardware. Both boxes were like this. Harbor Freight's shipping department (or the one in China where they get this stuff) must be staffed by rhesus monkeys. Aaaanyway... When and if I ever get the replacement hardware from HF or Home Depot, I'll need to figure out how to operate this thing. No instructions came with the items. Big suprise. :^/ Can anyone give me some advice on how this thing works? Thanks. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 14:15:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33JFR4Y015393; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:15:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33JFQAW015383; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:15:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E8C8818.5A3DD443@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 14:14:33 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: off topic... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Help. My A/C service company (ARS) has screwed me once again with a no-show on a routine service call. A wasted day waiting for the buggers. Any recommendations on Northern Virginia based A/C heat pump service companies? Well, I did get to do a bit of maintenance on the Hawg today, but I would rather be riding and adding to the five state collection of bug spalts on the windscreen. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 14:27:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33JRA4Y021939; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:27:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33JRAnQ021929; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:27:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: To: "William J. Huson" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: off topic... Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:27:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030403192700.LBZH24359.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> we've had similiar problems with heating a/c companies until about three ago when we went with Lightning Heating and Air. Top notch service. Our experience has been that if they say they're going to be there at 1pm, they'll arrive at 12:45 and sit out front until 1 and then come ring the door bell. The guys that have come out and did any work have been really knowledgable. We went ahead and had them upgrade our entire system and their quote came in about 15% less than anyone else. We've been very happy with them. I have to agree though,that most of them turbo suck...especially in the "on time as promised" department. cheers, -aki > > From: "William J. Huson" > Date: 2003/04/03 Thu PM 02:14:33 EST > To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > Subject: off topic... > > Help. My A/C service company (ARS) has screwed me once again with a > no-show on a routine service call. A wasted day waiting for the > buggers. Any recommendations on Northern Virginia based A/C heat pump > service companies? > > Well, I did get to do a bit of maintenance on the Hawg today, but I > would rather be riding and adding to the five state collection of bug > spalts on the windscreen. > > Bill > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 14:44:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33Ji04Y026253; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:44:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33JhxBf026243; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:43:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030403144223.021a0578@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 14:43:56 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Off topic - VPN Consulting needed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed If anyone here knows their stuff with VPNs (IPSEC, etc) shoot me an email off list. 2 quick questions and possible consulting income for a couple of days. Soft Remote (Safe Net), Cisco, Netgear knowledge a plus but not required. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 15:28:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33KSi4Y000619; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:28:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33KSgBW000609; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:28:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000101c2fa1f$fabb3c20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: cherry blossoms Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:29:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Just got back from a two-up excursion with my wife to the Tidal Basin. Superb way to spend a couple of hours playing hooky. And the scoot is the best way to get there. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 17:59:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33Mxq4Y008123; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 17:59:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h33Mxosh008113; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 17:59:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030403225941.56462.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:59:41 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Nice list... To: Mark Kitchell , Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030401224828.5409.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i received father kitchell's response in a private post, which i won't forward because the punk will cry about it. wah! pussy! WAAAAH! all i can say is that we are truly blessed to have as a member of this group such a worthless piece of shit. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Just ask Gimer > > > --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > > On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Jeannette Zell wrote: > > > > > I must say that I continually find the term > > "pussy" used in such an > > > invective manner a bit amusing when done so by > > straight men. > > > > > > - Jeannette > > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > You're assuming Kitchell is straight, Jeanette. :-) > > > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and > more > http://platinum.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 19:51:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h340pD4Y018851; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:51:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h340pCwg018841; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:51:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005901c2fa44$3d4557f0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Subject: Ahh... the sounds of spring Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:50:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec797ff0c4c926b7e2825db7025cf5a78575350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c You have to love spring. The sound of birds chirping, frogs ribbiting, bees buzzing. Helped out a biker by the name of Matt tonight. He's a neighborhood guy, '81 Suz. GS550. Wouldn't start; new battery, push button, no reaction... Fuse good, and battery looked brand spanking new. Me: "did you charge the battery" Matt - nope, it's new. Me - Did you treat the gas? Matt - No. Me - How 'bout the plugs ? Matt - yeah, they're probably fouled... Me - these tires are low, bring her up in the drive way, I've got a compressor... Matt tells me he's trying to push start it... We got air in the tires & he resumed his chores... Not sure if he got it going. SO... Damn... been a while since I started the bike; cover off, quick once over, thank GOD for the Battery tender :-) 4 Cranks later, she springs to life, with but a minimum of VW-esque idle, and she cleans right up. The iron brakes need some rust removed, so being dark, and I haven't done a pre ride, I decide I'll centerstand her & get the wheel turning... I run her up through the gears ~ 3k rpms - no higher.. Ahh the sounds of spring... And, yet another sound of spring - My geezer neighbor, smart assedly asking me if I need a push to stop the 'awful racket'... Ah... the sounds of spring... Like... the grip getting tighter on my USP... like, me letting smart alecky geezer neighbor know that I'll be happy to take her up on the offer once I have the registration on, and to be ready to push tommorrow night... And thanks for the offer. And BTW, you're welcome for the social security ( ok, no, I didn't say that because if my mom found out, she'd wash my mouth out with soap... yes, even at my age presently )... Great... Now, more sounds of spring, like me confessing to TOWMBO about how I've managed to Piss off our geezer neighbors, and we'd better bake some cookies & make nicey nice. She better like those g*d damn cookies too, or I'm getting a muzzys pipe. I hate to be a bad ambassodor to the M/C world... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 20:24:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h341ON4Y025536; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:24:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h341OMqQ025526; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:24:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E8CDE8F.EAA8898F@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:23:27 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: Ahh... the sounds of spring References: <005901c2fa44$3d4557f0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > You have to love spring. The sound of birds chirping, frogs ribbiting, bees > buzzing. Helped out a biker by the name of Matt tonight. He's a > neighborhood guy, '81 Suz. GS550. Wouldn't start; new battery, push > button, no reaction... Fuse good, and battery looked brand spanking new. > Me: "did you charge the battery" Matt - nope, it's new. Me - Did you treat > the gas? Matt - No. Me - How 'bout the plugs ? Matt - yeah, they're > probably fouled... Me - these tires are low, bring her up in the drive way, > I've got a compressor... Matt tells me he's trying to push start it... We > got air in the tires & he resumed his chores... Not sure if he got it > going. > > SO... Damn... been a while since I started the bike; cover off, quick once > over, thank GOD for the Battery tender :-) > > 4 Cranks later, she springs to life, with but a minimum of VW-esque idle, > and she cleans right up. The iron brakes need some rust removed, so being > dark, and I haven't done a pre ride, I decide I'll centerstand her & get the > wheel turning... I run her up through the gears ~ 3k rpms - no higher.. > Ahh the sounds of spring... And, yet another sound of spring - My geezer > neighbor, smart assedly asking me if I need a push to stop the 'awful > racket'... Ah... the sounds of spring... Like... the grip getting tighter > on my USP... like, me letting smart alecky geezer neighbor know that I'll > be happy to take her up on the offer once I have the registration on, and to > be ready to push tommorrow night... And thanks for the offer. And BTW, > you're welcome for the social security ( ok, no, I didn't say that because > if my mom found out, she'd wash my mouth out with soap... yes, even at my > age presently )... > > Great... Now, more sounds of spring, like me confessing to TOWMBO about how > I've managed to Piss off our geezer neighbors, and we'd better bake some > cookies & make nicey nice. She better like those g*d damn cookies too, or > I'm getting a muzzys pipe. > > I hate to be a bad ambassodor to the M/C world... > > Dave Yates heh heh. Ya gotta luv spring and the variety of improperly stored engines barfing to life. BTW - I have a spare headlight and front turn signal unit for the `81 GS550. If Matt wants spares (bulbs included) he's welcome to it. More stuff outta my garage! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 21:39:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h342dR4Y030151; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:39:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h342dQhZ030141; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:39:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030404023909.12820.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:39:09 -0800 (PST) From: Tchaka Subject: Insurance To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii After letting everything lapse (including my tags) I need to get ready for the good weather. Can anyone recommend a good and inexpensive company for standalone motorcycle insurance (for a Honda F3). My insurance company will not cover it. Thanks!! Tchaka ===== Friends don't let friends drive automatics! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 22:25:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h343Pg4Y006527; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:25:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h343PgV4006519; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:25:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030403212446.00b72280@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:25:39 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Nice list... In-Reply-To: <20030403225941.56462.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030401224828.5409.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Gimer wrote: >all i can say is that we are truly blessed to have as a >member of this group such a worthless piece of shit. Really Tom, be modest. No need to go about the list trumpeting about your finer qualities. :P Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 22:31:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h343V74Y010737; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:31:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h343V7m6010726; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:31:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007701c2fa5a$956ec360$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: <20030404023909.12820.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Insurance Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:30:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7954e3d6aed2c9b15d3fe7912314104e78350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > After letting everything lapse (including my tags) I > need to get ready for the good weather. Can anyone > recommend a good and inexpensive company for > standalone motorcycle insurance (for a Honda F3). My > insurance company will not cover it. [Dave] State Farm, Liberty Mutual were the best quotes for full coverage, minimum deductibles, 50/100/50, married, clean record , in NoVA. Call more than one agent... HTH Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 3 22:40:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h343eY4Y012948; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:40:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h343eVFZ012933; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:40:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009301c2fa5b$e39f48b0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: <20030401224828.5409.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030403212446.00b72280@mail.mac.com> Subject: Re: Nice list... Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:40:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79c63b70a74ea583deedc8504a5bd8a433350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c SJ baited... > Gimer wrote: > >all i can say is that we are truly blessed to have as a > >member of this group such a worthless piece of shit. > > > Really Tom, be modest. No need to go about the list trumpeting about your > finer qualities. [Dave] This is starting to sound like a South Park episode ;- ) Are you saying that Gimer crapped Kitchell ? Dude, you can't do that... I'd better quit while I'm behind... I've still got to explain to the wife about sucking up to the neighbor... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 4 07:48:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h34CmE4Y022216; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 07:48:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h34CmDN9022206; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 07:48:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E8D7E64.4040902@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 07:45:24 -0500 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Are terriorists speeders/HOV violators? OT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm making my way up the 95 HOV this morning when traffic slows to 5mph. Huh, two days in a row? Since a trooper who had pulled over a HOV violator was moving up the shoulder, I thought an accident. OK, stuff happens. But then he stops and starts looking through the traffic for other violators. Ok, maybe the accident had been cleared. Moving along, I get to the top of the Woodbridge hill, 5 cage troopers, 1 MC.... all looking for HOV violators! Then traffic moves again back to 75mph, up ahead a fire -truck and ambulance, light on - and nobody slows. The back up was about 2-3 miles. The next mile, blue lights. Another trooper? Nope a Fairfax cage - Camaro, marked! (why mark a Camaro?) And an Fairfax MC. Just let a HOV violator go. another mile or so. Another marked Camaro with radar! I exit at 7900, it may have contiued to DC. Now I don't mind the occasional speed trap, but let people get to work! And not to say the public doesn't need policing, but during this period of history shouldn't our protective resources be utilized at least a little better than this? Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 4 08:12:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h34DCZ4Y030912; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:12:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h34DCZjB030902; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:12:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] X-Originating-Email: [robkeiser@XXXXXX] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Are terriorists speeders/HOV violators? OT Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 08:01:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2003 13:01:27.0967 (UTC) FILETIME=[4DFDFAF0:01C2FAAA] Wish they could spread the wealth. Tons of HOV violators coming down 270 this morning and NO enforcement! Grrrr. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Tom de To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Are terriorists speeders/HOV violators? OT Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 07:45:24 -0500 I'm making my way up the 95 HOV this morning when traffic slows to 5mph. Huh, two days in a row? Since a trooper who had pulled over a HOV violator was moving up the shoulder, I thought an accident. OK, stuff happens. But then he stops and starts looking through the traffic for other violators. Ok, maybe the accident had been cleared. Moving along, I get to the top of the Woodbridge hill, 5 cage troopers, 1 MC.... all looking for HOV violators! Then traffic moves again back to 75mph, up ahead a fire -truck and ambulance, light on - and nobody slows. The back up was about 2-3 miles. The next mile, blue lights. Another trooper? Nope a Fairfax cage - Camaro, marked! (why mark a Camaro?) And an Fairfax MC. Just let a HOV violator go. another mile or so. Another marked Camaro with radar! I exit at 7900, it may have contiued to DC. Now I don't mind the occasional speed trap, but let people get to work! And not to say the public doesn't need policing, but during this period of history shouldn't our protective resources be utilized at least a little better than this? Tom de '98 VTR _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 4 08:25:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h34DPZ4Y004821; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:25:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h34DPYfC004811; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:25:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: Are terriorists speeders/HOV violators? OT Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:24:16 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <00cb01c2faad$817e4ee0$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 It's a shame, this is so easy to fix. Change the penalty. People who violate this have the "I'm more important the reast of you" attitude. Get caught, lose your license for 30 days. And they have to stand in the lines of the MVA to get it back! ;) Most people are willing to chance the fine, not sure how many would want to chance losing their license. Second and third offenses could be more severe. -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 8:01 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Are terriorists speeders/HOV violators? OT > > > Wish they could spread the wealth. Tons of HOV violators > coming down 270 > this morning and NO enforcement! Grrrr. > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > > > > > > > From: Tom de > To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" > Subject: Are terriorists speeders/HOV violators? OT > Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 07:45:24 -0500 > > > I'm making my way up the 95 HOV this morning when traffic > slows to 5mph. > Huh, two days in a row? Since a trooper who had pulled over > a HOV violator > was moving up the shoulder, I thought an accident. OK, stuff happens. > > But then he stops and starts looking through the traffic for other > violators. Ok, maybe the accident had been cleared. Moving > along, I get to > the top of the Woodbridge hill, 5 cage troopers, 1 MC.... > all looking for > HOV violators! Then traffic moves again back to 75mph, up > ahead a fire > -truck and ambulance, light on - and nobody slows. The back > up was about > 2-3 miles. > The next mile, blue lights. Another trooper? Nope a > Fairfax cage - > Camaro, marked! (why mark a Camaro?) And an Fairfax MC. > Just let a HOV > violator go. another mile or so. Another marked Camaro with > radar! I exit > at 7900, it may have contiued to DC. > > Now I don't mind the occasional speed trap, but let people > get to work! And > not to say the public doesn't need policing, but during this > period of > history shouldn't our protective resources be utilized at > least a little > better than this? > > > Tom de '98 VTR > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 4 08:45:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h34Djk4Y011145; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:45:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h34DjkMP011135; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:45:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: Are terriorists speeders/HOV violators? OT Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:42:02 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <00cb01c2faad$817e4ee0$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> In-Reply-To: <00cb01c2faad$817e4ee0$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0304040842020N.02809@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I saw a plate on the way in this morning: F HEWDMV Carl On Friday 04 April 2003 08:24, Jim McGonigle wrote: > It's a shame, this is so easy to fix. Change the penalty. People who > violate this have the "I'm more important the reast of you" attitude. > Get caught, lose your license for 30 days. And they have to stand in > the lines of the MVA to get it back! ;) Most people are willing to > chance the fine, not sure how many would want to chance losing their > license. Second and third offenses could be more severe. > > -Jim > -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 4 08:48:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h34Dms4Y015355; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:48:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h34Dmqik015345; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:48:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200304041348.ADP47653@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:48:50 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Are terriorists speeders/HOV violators? OT To: X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom started a good, sure to be controversial thread: > > I'm making my way up the 95 HOV this morning when traffic slows to >5mph. Huh, two days in a row? Since a trooper who had pulled over a >HOV violator ... > But then he stops and starts looking through the traffic for other >violators. ...the top of the Woodbridge hill, 5 cage troopers, 1 MC.... all >looking for HOV violators! [Dave] They won't get me... I'm HOV Negative ;-) of course, who knows when my wife will thumb her nose at the next HOV sign... :-/ If they're causing an accident hazard, call in to the local traffic reporting venues when time permits (WTOP is pretty good) sometimes the traffic reporters will try to shame the cops ( I know, impossible ) into moving on. Also, call into their local station and complain. It's one thing to be the Man's B!tch collecting revenue and all; that's their job. But when their actions are stupid and causing a dangerous situation, then report them. You'll need car numbers for a complaint to the station, but you can also follow it up by talking to your local co. supvr., and state delegate. When you report them for stupidity, they get promoted & off the street sooner... Then traffic moves again back to 75mph, up >ahead a fire -truck and ambulance, light on - and nobody slows. The >back up was about 2-3 miles. > The next mile, blue lights. Another trooper? Nope a Fairfax cage - >Camaro, marked! (why mark a Camaro?) And an Fairfax MC. [Dave] I'll bet the scoot wasn't a honda rebel either... Full decked American Iron, right ? Gotta love those FFX "Gold Plated" services. >Just let a HOV violator go. another mile or so. Another >marked Camaro with radar! I >exit at 7900, it may have contiued to DC. >Now I don't mind the occasional speed trap, but let people get to work! >And not to say the public doesn't need policing, but during this period >of history shouldn't our protective resources be utilized at least a >little better than this? > [Dave] 1st - Police, and especially State Police do zip to protect you. "Protect & serve" is a motto, not a creed, or legal responsibility. Sort of like USPS "Neither rain, nor sleet nor snow..."... unless that snow is more than 4" deep, and the mailbox isn't exactly 18" from the roadway... And it's not a Government holiday... The police are more appropriately classified as a 'crime solving resource'. And yes, that resource should be used better. Talk to the legislators. They're the ones that make the stupid laws that the cops are enforcing. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 6 10:38:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h36EcHbm027428; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 10:38:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h36Ec8tM027287; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 10:38:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 07:38:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Need a new battery. Message-ID: <20030406073638.V68025-100000@yes.devclue.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII So it looks like my battery is completely toast, so I need to get a new one. Any recommendations on type, place to buy, etc? It's a 1992 GS500e, and I'm not running any crazy-huge power draws... an electric vest, is all. I've heard a lot of talk about these gel batteries. Are they worth looking into? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 6 10:49:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h36EnMbm001476; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 10:49:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h36EnLta001465; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 10:49:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00e701c2fc4b$97d76e20$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC-Cycles" References: <20030406073638.V68025-100000@yes.devclue.com> Subject: Re: Need a new battery. Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 10:48:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79a471111d3bea008ceb0cd7e01666bce9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > I've heard a lot of talk about these gel batteries. Are they worth looking > into? [Dave] I've been running a Sears Die Hard for about 3 years now with assistance from a battery tender. The longest lasting Yuasa I had was just shy of 2 years... I ended up with a Die Hard because the last time my battery expired, it was a Sunday, Sears was open AND they had my battery... Good luck Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 6 10:49:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h36Envbm003681; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 10:49:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h36Envk1003677; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 10:49:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Need a new battery. Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 10:49:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20030406073638.V68025-100000@yes.devclue.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal I don't know about gel batteries unless that means they are maintenance free. What I got is a maintenance free battery as the battery on my beemer is hard to get at. If the battery is relatively hidden or you just hate trying to remember to check the battery level, a maintenance free battery is worth it. If you're in a hurry, try Walmart. If not, mail order from http://www.digikey.com/ LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com Fish Flowers lamented: So it looks like my battery is completely toast, so I need to get a new one. Any recommendations on type, place to buy, etc? It's a 1992 GS500e, and I'm not running any crazy-huge power draws... an electric vest, is all. I've heard a lot of talk about these gel batteries. Are they worth looking into? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 6 10:54:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h36EsGbm007820; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 10:54:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h36EsGAD007815; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 10:54:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 10:53:28 -0400 From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Need a new battery. In-reply-to: <00e701c2fc4b$97d76e20$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030406105119.00a74968@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20030406073638.V68025-100000@yes.devclue.com> At 10:48 AM 4/6/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > I've heard a lot of talk about these gel batteries. Are they worth looking > > into? > >[Dave] I've been running a Sears Die Hard for about 3 years now with >assistance from a battery tender. The longest lasting Yuasa I had was just >shy of 2 years... I ended up with a Die Hard because the last time my >battery expired, it was a Sunday, Sears was open AND they had my battery... > My VFR has a Die-Hard in it too. Its one of the Maintenance free ones, you fill it, let the acid soak into the glass mat and then seal it. While I was getting service done on the other bike, earlier this week, there was another gentleman there who had gotten 6yrs!! out of his battery. He did let them replace it, however. Dan. -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 6 11:56:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h36Fuvbm014684; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 11:56:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h36Fuv19014674; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 11:56:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030406155649.72588.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 08:56:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Need a new battery. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030406105119.00a74968@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was tallying up the life of my battery the other day. Right now its at 5 years, 1 month. I religiously put the battery tender on after riding though. Glenn --- Dan Brown wrote: > > While I was getting service done on the other bike, > earlier this week, > there was another gentleman there who had gotten > 6yrs!! out of his > battery. He did let them replace it, however. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 6 15:26:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h36JQnbm019879; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 15:26:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h36JQmYa019869; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 15:26:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E907F33.12884697@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 15:25:40 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Brown CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need a new battery. References: <20030406073638.V68025-100000@yes.devclue.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20030406105119.00a74968@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan Brown wrote: > At 10:48 AM 4/6/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > I've heard a lot of talk about these gel batteries. Are they worth looking > > > into? > > > >[Dave] I've been running a Sears Die Hard for about 3 years now with > >assistance from a battery tender. The longest lasting Yuasa I had was just > >shy of 2 years... I ended up with a Die Hard because the last time my > >battery expired, it was a Sunday, Sears was open AND they had my battery... > > > > My VFR has a Die-Hard in it too. Its one of the Maintenance free ones, > you fill it, let the acid soak into the glass mat and then seal it. > > While I was getting service done on the other bike, earlier this week, > there was another gentleman there who had gotten 6yrs!! out of his > battery. He did let them replace it, however. > > Dan. > > -- > Resist or Serve My Dead Hard lasted a couple years, made for Sears by Yuasa. Replaced it with a sealed H-D battery, probably made by Yuasa. My van has my personal battery record, Dodge OEM battery lasted 10 years! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 6 16:26:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h36KQCbm024378; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 16:26:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h36KQBJC024368; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 16:26:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005201c2fc7c$ae4de540$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: Motorcycle Parking Bill (HB 923 / SB 650) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 16:39:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FYI: ----- Original Message ----- From: "ABATE of Maryland, Inc." Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 4:37 PM Subject: Motorcycle Parking Bill (HB 923 / SB 650) > Motorcycle Parking Bill > (HB 923 / SB 650) > > The parking bill will prohibit local governments from restricting the number > of motorcycles that can legally be parked in a metered parking space. > > Current law allows local governments to restrict the number of motorcycles > to two. > > Only some local governments limit motorcycle parking in this manner, but it > can cause confusion and hardship for motorcycle riders who are unaware of > the restrictions. > > This bill would eliminate confusing and sporadic enforcement practices and > make parking regulations for motorcycles uniform throughout the state. > > The House of Delegates Environmental Matters Committee voted on HB 923 on > March 14, 2003. The House of Delegates version of the bill (HB 923) passed > with a vote of 132 to 2. The Senate version of the bill (SB 650) passed > with a vote of 46 to 0. > > These bills now go to the Governor's office for his signature. We believe > that the Governor will sign them. After the bills are signed by the > Governor, the modified law will go into effect on October 1, 2003. > > ABATE of Maryland, Inc. > http://www.abate-of-maryland.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 6 18:17:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h36MHubm031437; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 18:17:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h36MHt8C031427; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 18:17:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E90A73C.8F265E9F@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 18:16:28 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club - U.S.A. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles , SOCMd Subject: Need a bed? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [141.157.26.121] at Sun, 6 Apr 2003 17:17:45 -0500 ..................Or know someone who might need one? Colin, my old room mate left a Simmons Maxipedic Double bed, only several months old, when he left to move back in with his parents in Florida. It's free, but I cant deliver it, sorry. I just have to clear the way for my new room mate who's moving in next week end. Thanks, Steve Steven C. Di Pietro Interim National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA 16 W. Jeffrey Street Baltimore MD. 21225-1713 http://www.soc-usa.org Steven Di Pietro 410-355-1019 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 6 19:46:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h36Nk7bm010957; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 19:46:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h36Nk6UB010947; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 19:46:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005d01c2fc96$aa3af640$e090fea9@IBM05152002> Reply-To: "Ed Thyberg" From: "Ed Thyberg" To: Subject: new blood Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 19:45:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [151.196.24.164] at Sun, 6 Apr 2003 18:45:55 -0500 Hello DC area motorcyclists. As the riding season begins, I thought I would introduce myself and my club. My name is Ed Thyberg and I am a member of Old Line Motorcycle Club. OLMC has been around for 40 years, riding the back roads of Maryland, Virginia and West Virginia. We are an "all brands" group of riders who get together on Sunday mornings, eat breakfast, and head out afterwards for a few hours, or a few days. The club is small. We've always had around 20 - 25 members. Most of the current members joined over 20 years ago. What does that mean? It means we're getting OLD! We need some new members that like to ride and not just sit around moaning and groaning about their aches and pains. We meet every Sunday in Rockville. Check out our website http://www.oldlinemotorcycleclub.org/ and if you think you can keep up with us old farts stop by and introduce yourself. Hope to see you soon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 00:14:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h374E0bm018906; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 00:14:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h374DwY8018889; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 00:13:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030407041356.99349.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 21:13:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: new blood To: Ed Thyberg , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <005d01c2fc96$aa3af640$e090fea9@IBM05152002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, Ed. Your message is interesting, but your Web site says the next meeting is March 26th, and says nothing at all about where and when your rides begin, wher they go, and how long they last. It offers no information at all about how one hooks up with your club for either rides or meetings. How about providing some more information? Regards, Larry Larson --- Ed Thyberg wrote: > Hello DC area motorcyclists. As the riding season > begins, I thought I would > introduce myself and my club. My name is Ed Thyberg and > I am a member of > Old Line Motorcycle Club. OLMC has been around for 40 > years, riding the > back roads of Maryland, Virginia and West Virginia. We > are an "all brands" > group of riders who get together on Sunday mornings, eat > breakfast, and head > out afterwards for a few hours, or a few days. The club > is small. We've > always had around 20 - 25 members. Most of the current > members joined over > 20 years ago. What does that mean? It means we're > getting OLD! We need > some new members that like to ride and not just sit > around moaning and > groaning about their aches and pains. We meet every > Sunday in Rockville. > Check out our website > http://www.oldlinemotorcycleclub.org/ and if you think > you can keep up with us old farts stop by and introduce > yourself. Hope to > see you soon. > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 07:36:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37BaIbm025622; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 07:36:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37BaCa6025607; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 07:36:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday Drive Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 06:32:34 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03040707323411.02809@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I worked on the house Saturday and Sunday. Saturday I cleaned out the garage. I moved stuff around and put the tools that have been kicking around the garage and around the house back in their proper spots on the pegboard. I pushed the bikes (motor and non) out of the garage and swept out the winter dust. Rita put a "For Sale" sign on her Exciter (new exhaust and a failed inspection; $600). One of the legs was broken on my router table so I mounted the table on a 1/4" sheet of scrap plywood. By the time that was done, I was done for the day. (Hey, it took a long time :-) Sunday I pushed everything back out and began actual work on rebuilding the bathroom. I measured and placed the frames and then brought them out to the garage to be routed. 1/4" inside and a 1/4" outside turnover. Various clamping and shifting to get everything basically routed correctly and it was done. I moved the frames back into the bathroom and began nailing them up. But do you know what the problem was? Every time I went out to cut the frame and every time I shifted the wood to route, I could see the bike sitting in the sun, helmet hanging off of the handlebars. I'd find myself leaning against the workbench and just staring. Then, back to work. Finally at 4 I gave up. I put the rest of the frame into the bathroom, in their proper places so I didn't lose the correct edges. I put away the tools and vacuumed up the sawdust. I moved the bicycles and the 750 into the garage. While I was doing it, Rita asked me if I was quitting? "I'm going for a ride. Do you want anything?" So at 4:30 I headed out. Minnieville to 234. The left turn that takes me to Nokesville. Through the light on 28. A couple of rights and a left or two and I'm back on 28 heading towards Manassas. A quick bathroom break at Witts (yea, they were closed :-) A right back on 28 and up to Liberia. A left onto the parkway and headed home. The day was great. Blue skys. Little traffic on the back roads (a bit more on 28 and the parkway of course). Only a few bikes though. 4 on the Nokesville road. 6 on 234. One guy washing his black sportbike, helmet on his car on the other side of Nokesville. I got back home at 6:22. A nice little ride to help shake the week of rain and snow showers. Here's hoping your weekend ride went as well. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 08:03:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37C3Vbm032435; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 08:03:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37C3VOh032425; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 08:03:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E9168D5.7BD274E@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 08:02:29 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday Drive References: <03040707323411.02809@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You lucky... With plans in place for next weekend, this weekend was ***TAXES***. Us self-employeds have all that paperwork known as documentation for deductions, and I'm a paperwork slob. Two days of search and rescue of aforementioned documentation before I sat down at the computer on Sunday to crunch the numbers. No time for a scoot ride.. Grrr... But I did run up a couple thousand miles over a long weekend (6 days) last week! Bill Carl Schelin wrote: > I worked on the house Saturday and Sunday. Saturday I cleaned out the garage. > I moved stuff around and put the tools that have been kicking around the > garage and around the house back in their proper spots on the pegboard. > > I pushed the bikes (motor and non) out of the garage and swept out the winter > dust. Rita put a "For Sale" sign on her Exciter (new exhaust and a failed > inspection; $600). One of the legs was broken on my router table so I mounted > the table on a 1/4" sheet of scrap plywood. > > By the time that was done, I was done for the day. (Hey, it took a long time > :-) > > Sunday I pushed everything back out and began actual work on rebuilding the > bathroom. I measured and placed the frames and then brought them out to the > garage to be routed. 1/4" inside and a 1/4" outside turnover. Various > clamping and shifting to get everything basically routed correctly and it was > done. > > I moved the frames back into the bathroom and began nailing them up. > > But do you know what the problem was? Every time I went out to cut the frame > and every time I shifted the wood to route, I could see the bike sitting in > the sun, helmet hanging off of the handlebars. > > I'd find myself leaning against the workbench and just staring. Then, back to > work. > > Finally at 4 I gave up. I put the rest of the frame into the bathroom, in > their proper places so I didn't lose the correct edges. I put away the tools > and vacuumed up the sawdust. I moved the bicycles and the 750 into the garage. > > While I was doing it, Rita asked me if I was quitting? > > "I'm going for a ride. Do you want anything?" > > So at 4:30 I headed out. Minnieville to 234. The left turn that takes me to > Nokesville. Through the light on 28. A couple of rights and a left or two and > I'm back on 28 heading towards Manassas. > > A quick bathroom break at Witts (yea, they were closed :-) A right back on 28 > and up to Liberia. A left onto the parkway and headed home. > > The day was great. Blue skys. Little traffic on the back roads (a bit more on > 28 and the parkway of course). Only a few bikes though. 4 on the Nokesville > road. 6 on 234. One guy washing his black sportbike, helmet on his car on the > other side of Nokesville. > > I got back home at 6:22. A nice little ride to help shake the week of rain > and snow showers. > > Here's hoping your weekend ride went as well. > > Carl > -- > So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if > Windows Source Code is made public. > So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 09:10:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37DASbm004570; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 09:10:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37DAPaA004560; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 09:10:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT: Taxes (was: Re: Sunday Drive) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 08:06:46 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <03040707323411.02809@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3E9168D5.7BD274E@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E9168D5.7BD274E@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03040709064614.02809@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Heh, Rita is a bit of a control freak. It used to be that I'd do the taxes. Then one year, my ex decided to screw me over on taxes. I found that we owed (we were separated) $1,500. She was going to pay 500 and I'd pay the 1000. She went to a preparer and was getting 600 or 700 back but screwing me over for $4,000! I went to a preparer and it went from $4,000 to the IRS to $2,000 back to me as a refund. I went to preparers ever since. So the first two years that Rita and I were together, I took us to a preparer. Last year, Rita decided to do it herself and we got back $7,000. I adjusted my withholdings so it wasn't so bad a monthly hit. Last night Rita finally decided to do the taxes :-) We're getting back about $450 so my adjustments worked. On a different note, Saturday night we played cards with the neighbors. The wives were complaining about figuring out the food menu and buying food every week or two. I volunteered to do the food menu. Rita, ever skeptical, asked what the menu was. "El Charro on Monday" "Carraba's on Tuesday" "Outback on Wednesday" "Tim's Seafood on Thursday" "Taste of Tandoor on Friday" Hey, considering food costs, gas, storage, heating costs, time for cooking, leftovers, dishes and extra trash, I figured it was worth it :-) Besides, she's on a vegetarian kick right now. Mmmm, Tim's Seafood. I can't wait -) Carl On Monday 07 April 2003 08:02, William J. Huson wrote: > You lucky... With plans in place for next weekend, this weekend was > ***TAXES***. Us self-employeds have all that paperwork known as > documentation for deductions, and I'm a paperwork slob. Two days of search > and rescue of aforementioned documentation before I sat down at the > computer on Sunday to crunch the numbers. No time for a scoot ride.. > Grrr... > > But I did run up a couple thousand miles over a long weekend (6 days) last > week! > > Bill > > Carl Schelin wrote: > > I worked on the house Saturday and Sunday. Saturday I cleaned out the > > garage. I moved stuff around and put the tools that have been kicking > > around the garage and around the house back in their proper spots on the > > pegboard. > > > > I pushed the bikes (motor and non) out of the garage and swept out the > > winter dust. Rita put a "For Sale" sign on her Exciter (new exhaust and a > > failed inspection; $600). One of the legs was broken on my router table > > so I mounted the table on a 1/4" sheet of scrap plywood. > > > > By the time that was done, I was done for the day. (Hey, it took a long > > time > > > > :-) > > > > Sunday I pushed everything back out and began actual work on rebuilding > > the bathroom. I measured and placed the frames and then brought them out > > to the garage to be routed. 1/4" inside and a 1/4" outside turnover. > > Various clamping and shifting to get everything basically routed > > correctly and it was done. > > > > I moved the frames back into the bathroom and began nailing them up. > > > > But do you know what the problem was? Every time I went out to cut the > > frame and every time I shifted the wood to route, I could see the bike > > sitting in the sun, helmet hanging off of the handlebars. > > > > I'd find myself leaning against the workbench and just staring. Then, > > back to work. > > > > Finally at 4 I gave up. I put the rest of the frame into the bathroom, in > > their proper places so I didn't lose the correct edges. I put away the > > tools and vacuumed up the sawdust. I moved the bicycles and the 750 into > > the garage. > > > > While I was doing it, Rita asked me if I was quitting? > > > > "I'm going for a ride. Do you want anything?" > > > > So at 4:30 I headed out. Minnieville to 234. The left turn that takes me > > to Nokesville. Through the light on 28. A couple of rights and a left or > > two and I'm back on 28 heading towards Manassas. > > > > A quick bathroom break at Witts (yea, they were closed :-) A right back > > on 28 and up to Liberia. A left onto the parkway and headed home. > > > > The day was great. Blue skys. Little traffic on the back roads (a bit > > more on 28 and the parkway of course). Only a few bikes though. 4 on the > > Nokesville road. 6 on 234. One guy washing his black sportbike, helmet on > > his car on the other side of Nokesville. > > > > I got back home at 6:22. A nice little ride to help shake the week of > > rain and snow showers. > > > > Here's hoping your weekend ride went as well. > > > > Carl > > -- > > So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if > > Windows Source Code is made public. > > So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? > > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 > > FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 09:24:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37DOMbm010950; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 09:24:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37DOMYt010940; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 09:24:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.10 (webedge20-101-190-20021211) From: Ed Thyberg To: Larry Larson , Subject: Re: Re: new blood Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 9:24:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO8859_1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [127.0.0.1] at Mon, 7 Apr 2003 08:24:13 -0500 Message-Id: <20030407132413.LDDK12889.out005.verizon.net@localhost> Larry, Yeah, I'm afraid I don't keep the web site as up-to-date as I should. March 26 refers to the monthly dinner/business meeting we have. Always the last Wednesday of the month. The Sunday morning breakfast rides are at the Woodside Deli on Halpine Rd (south end of Congressional plaza). We get there around 8am and the ride usually leaves at 9:30am. At the web site click on "You're Invited" for more details. http://www.oldlinemotorcycleclub.org/ Ed > > From: Larry Larson > Date: 2003/04/07 Mon AM 12:13:56 EDT > To: Ed Thyberg , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: new blood > > Hi, Ed. > > Your message is interesting, but your Web site says the > next meeting is March 26th, and says nothing at all about > where and when your rides begin, wher they go, and how > long they last. It offers no information at all about how > one hooks up with your club for either rides or meetings. > How about providing some more information? > > Regards, > Larry Larson > > > --- Ed Thyberg wrote: > > Hello DC area motorcyclists. As the riding season > > begins, I thought I would > > introduce myself and my club. My name is Ed Thyberg and > > I am a member of > > Old Line Motorcycle Club. OLMC has been around for 40 > > years, riding the > > back roads of Maryland, Virginia and West Virginia. We > > are an "all brands" > > group of riders who get together on Sunday mornings, eat > > breakfast, and head > > out afterwards for a few hours, or a few days. The club > > is small. We've > > always had around 20 - 25 members. Most of the current > > members joined over > > 20 years ago. What does that mean? It means we're > > getting OLD! We need > > some new members that like to ride and not just sit > > around moaning and > > groaning about their aches and pains. We meet every > > Sunday in Rockville. > > Check out our website > > http://www.oldlinemotorcycleclub.org/ and if you think > > you can keep up with us old farts stop by and introduce > > yourself. Hope to > > see you soon. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 13:57:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37Hvkbm021359; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 13:57:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37Hviw6021352; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 13:57:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: selling a bike Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 13:45:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2003 17:45:42.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[82AD0D10:01C2FD2D] When you sell a bike yourself how do you go about collecting money, handing over the title? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 14:00:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37I0Lbm023557; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:00:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37I0LqZ023548; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:00:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:00:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Bike woes. Message-ID: <20030407105812.C27653-100000@yes.devclue.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII OK, I've bought a new battery, but the bike still won't start. When I press the starter, I can hear the engine crank, but it doesn't seem to catch. It's not an electrical thing -- new battery, plenty of juice. I don't _think_ it's a fuel system thing -- I can see fuel running through the inline fuel filter. Could it be a carb thing? I left the bike sitting over the winter without emptying the tank or putting in fuel stabilizer... is the next step to rip open the carbs and start messing those up? Or should I begin looking somewhere else? Normally this wouldn't bug me so much, but my cage is currently out of commission as well. Feh. Stupid vehicles. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 14:01:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37I1dbm025765; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:01:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37I1clk025750; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:01:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030407180131.458.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:01:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: selling a bike To: rich hall , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rich: I know you are selling you Seca. Sounds like you have a buyer. Congrats. Cash is king in my opinion. Even a cashier's check can be forged, from that I hear. However, one from a local bank is probably ok. I would just make them wait to make sure it clears. If its cash and you are wary about the person, make sure you have a buddy along during the transaction. As for title, you simply sign it over when you are 100% paid. Remove the plates. Then call you insurance company right away and let them know you are not longer the owner. --- rich hall wrote: > When you sell a bike yourself how do you go about > collecting money, handing > over the title? > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 > months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 14:12:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37ICVbm006532; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:12:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37ICVcu006521; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:12:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: Subject: Re: Re: selling a bike Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:12:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030407181224.IZAP23505.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> > Rich: > > I know you are selling you Seca. Sounds like you > have a buyer. Congrats. > > Cash is king in my opinion. Even a cashier's check > can be forged, from that I hear. However, one from a > local bank is probably ok. I would just make them > wait to make sure it clears. > > If its cash and you are wary about the person, make > sure you have a buddy along during the transaction. > > As for title, you simply sign it over when you are > 100% paid. Remove the plates. Then call you insurance > company right away and let them know you are not > longer the owner. I'd also make sure your DMV or MVA knows you've sold it. Ideally, take the plate to an office and turn it in. Otherwise, if the new owner puts a gypsy tag on it, instead of registering it, all the vehicle databases will still list you as the owner. Bob Meyer '92 Standard STOC # 1157 If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 14:16:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37IG9bm009394; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:16:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37IG8YV009387; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:16:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030407181601.96283.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:16:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Bike woes. To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030407105812.C27653-100000@yes.devclue.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii stupid VEHICLES? there are a few mechanics on this list who might differ with you here.... you likely need a carb cleaning. --- Fish Flowers wrote: > OK, I've bought a new battery, but the bike still won't > start. When I > press the starter, I can hear the engine crank, but it > doesn't seem to > catch. It's not an electrical thing -- new battery, > plenty of juice. I > don't _think_ it's a fuel system thing -- I can see fuel > running through > the inline fuel filter. Could it be a carb thing? I left > the bike sitting > over the winter without emptying the tank or putting in > fuel stabilizer... > is the next step to rip open the carbs and start messing > those up? Or > should I begin looking somewhere else? > > Normally this wouldn't bug me so much, but my cage is > currently out of > commission as well. Feh. Stupid vehicles. > > Fish. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 14:19:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37IJlbm012889; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:19:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37IJloO012882; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:19:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030407181945.19512.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:19:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Re: selling a bike To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030407181224.IZAP23505.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Great point. Also, inform you county to they can take it off the tax rolls. Don't mess with Arlington on personal property tax. They will get their $$ if it means going into your bank account. --- Bob Meyer wrote: > > Rich: > > > > I know you are selling you Seca. Sounds like you > > have a buyer. Congrats. > > > > Cash is king in my opinion. Even a cashier's > check > > can be forged, from that I hear. However, one > from a > > local bank is probably ok. I would just make them > > wait to make sure it clears. > > > > If its cash and you are wary about the person, > make > > sure you have a buddy along during the > transaction. > > > > As for title, you simply sign it over when you are > > 100% paid. Remove the plates. Then call you > insurance > > company right away and let them know you are not > > longer the owner. > > I'd also make sure your DMV or MVA knows you've sold > it. Ideally, take the plate to an office and turn > it in. Otherwise, if the new owner puts a gypsy tag > on it, instead of registering it, all the vehicle > databases will still list you as the owner. > > Bob Meyer > '92 Standard > STOC # 1157 > > If you can't be a good example, then you'll just > have to be a horrible warning. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 14:22:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37IMTbm016818; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:22:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37IMTQZ016813; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:22:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: selling a bike Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 14:22:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2003 18:22:22.0256 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1AE9300:01C2FD32] Not quite, I plan on running an ad in the Post this weekend and wanted to be prepared. >From: Mark Kitchell >To: rich hall , DC Cycles >Subject: Re: selling a bike >Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:01:31 -0700 (PDT) >I know you are selling you Seca. Sounds like you >have a buyer. Congrats. >Cash is king in my opinion. Even a cashier's check >can be forged, from that I hear. However, one from a >local bank is probably ok. I would just make them >wait to make sure it clears. >If its cash and you are wary about the person, make >sure you have a buddy along during the transaction. >As for title, you simply sign it over when you are >100% paid. Remove the plates. Then call you insurance >company right away and let them know you are not >longer the owner. >--- rich hall wrote: > > When you sell a bike yourself how do you go about > > collecting money, handing > > over the title? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 14:26:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37IQDbm021443; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:26:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37IQD6A021434; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:26:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004e01c2fd33$23f651e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "rich hall" , "DC Cycles" References: <20030407180131.458.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: selling a bike Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:25:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In addition to Mark's comments, a Bill of Sale is a good idea, noting VIN, condition of the bike, terms of the sale ("as is"), odometer mileage and the price paid. Have two signed copies. One for the buyer and one you keep. Here's one source for a Bill of Sale -- http://www.free-legal-forms.com/bill-of-sale.html In addition, some jurisdictions (DC, for instance) also require you to turn in plates no longer in use. Dunno about VA. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > Rich: > ... > > Cash is king in my opinion. Even a cashier's check > can be forged, from that I hear. However, one from a > local bank is probably ok. I would just make them > wait to make sure it clears. > ... > > As for title, you simply sign it over when you are > 100% paid. Remove the plates. Then call you insurance > company right away and let them know you are not > longer the owner. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 14:34:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37IYDbm027675; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:34:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37IYCCR027667; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:34:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030407183409.37011.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:34:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: selling a bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you don't get the response you want from the ad, I had really good luck selling a bike on ebay. The winning bidders even placed the bid from my computer after they checked out the bike, since there wasn't enough time for them to get home and place a bid. Keith --- rich hall wrote: > Not quite, I plan on running an ad in the Post this > weekend and wanted to be > prepared. > > >From: Mark Kitchell > >To: rich hall , DC Cycles > > >Subject: Re: selling a bike > >Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:01:31 -0700 (PDT) > > >I know you are selling you Seca. Sounds like you > >have a buyer. Congrats. > >Cash is king in my opinion. Even a cashier's check > >can be forged, from that I hear. However, one from > a > >local bank is probably ok. I would just make them > >wait to make sure it clears. > >If its cash and you are wary about the person, make > >sure you have a buddy along during the transaction. > >As for title, you simply sign it over when you are > >100% paid. Remove the plates. Then call you > insurance > >company right away and let them know you are not > >longer the owner. > >--- rich hall wrote: > > > When you sell a bike yourself how do you go > about > > > collecting money, handing > > > over the title? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 14:39:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37IdDbm031880; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:39:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37IdC86031868; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:39:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E492F6@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'Fish Flowers'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Bike woes. Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:49:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Take the plugs out and look at them. Look in your Clymer's manual on how to read the plugs. Hold the plugs up to the engine head and crank. You need to see spark. All that is said, as it's easier to do that than pull the carbs out. Might as well do the easy thing first just to rule it out, but the real answer is that you need to take your carbs out, apart, and thoroughly clean them. It's a learning experience. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Fish Flowers [SMTP:fish@XXXXXX] > > bike still won't start. I can hear the engine crank, but it doesn't seem > to > catch. Could it be a carb thing? I left the bike sitting > over the winter without emptying the tank or putting in fuel > stabilizer...Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 15:07:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37J7Abm003760; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:07:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37J79bo003750; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:07:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:08:26 -0400 Subject: Seasonal insurance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: David Cross To: dccycles Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20030407183409.37011.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4FB2B4F0-692C-11D7-8FFC-000393BD9352@davecross.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Friend asked me this question so I am posting it here to find out what the collective thinks . . . Anyone know of any companies that sell seasonal motorcycle insurance? His thinking is that he only rides 8 months out of the year and doesn't want to pay for twelve. I seem to recall hearing such insurance in more northern regions. Anything like that here? Thanks Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 15:12:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37JC3bm008392; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:12:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37JC28f008385; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:12:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'dccycles'" Subject: RE: Seasonal insurance Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:11:25 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <00c801c2fd39$7ef60210$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <4FB2B4F0-692C-11D7-8FFC-000393BD9352@davecross.com> >From what I've been told all motorcycle insurance is seasonal. Insurance companies expect most of the mileage (and claims) to be during the good weather months. If you wanted insurance for 8 months of the year they would probably charge 95+% of the rate if they would even do it. -Jim PS This is directly from a State Farm agent. Take if FWIW. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Cross [mailto:dave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 3:08 PM > To: dccycles > Subject: Seasonal insurance > > > Friend asked me this question so I am posting it here to find > out what > the collective thinks . . . > > Anyone know of any companies that sell seasonal motorcycle insurance? > His thinking is that he only rides 8 months out of the year > and doesn't > want to pay for twelve. I seem to recall hearing such > insurance in more > northern regions. Anything like that here? > > Thanks > > Dave > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 15:29:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37JT5bm014803; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:29:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37JT4ST014793; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:29:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E492F7@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'jmcgonigle@XXXXXX'" , "'dccycles'" Subject: RE: Seasonal insurance Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:39:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Through Progressive, I had a "Fair Weather" policy on one of the second bikes for a while that said there was no coverage from December through February at something like 80% of the full year coverage. This was in VA a couple of years ago. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim McGonigle [SMTP:jmcgonigle@XXXXXX] > From what I've been told all motorcycle insurance is seasonal. > Insurance companies expect most of the mileage (and claims) to be during > the good weather months. If you wanted insurance for 8 months of the > year they would probably charge 95+% of the rate if they would even do > it. > > -Jim > > PS This is directly from a State Farm agent. Take if FWIW. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Cross [mailto:dave@XXXXXX] > > > > Anyone know of any companies that sell seasonal motorcycle insurance? > > Anything like that here? > > Thanks > > Dave > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 15:33:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37JXTbm019110; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:33:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37JXTAf019102; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:33:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <012501c2fd3c$88f025e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: <20030407105812.C27653-100000@yes.devclue.com> Subject: Re: Bike woes. Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:17:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" > OK, I've bought a new battery, but the bike still won't start. When I > press the starter, I can hear the engine crank, but it doesn't seem to > catch. It's not an electrical thing -- new battery, plenty of juice. I > don't _think_ it's a fuel system thing -- I can see fuel running through > the inline fuel filter. Could it be a carb thing? I left the bike sitting > over the winter without emptying the tank or putting in fuel stabilizer... > Fish. I suspect carbs too, although you may have flooded it and fouled the plugs in the process. If the plugs are marginal to begin with.... One thing you definitely don't want to do is *empty* the tank for storage purposes. You want to fill the tank up full to prevent rust on the tank's interior due to condensation. I had two bikes sitting out all winter long that are none the worse for wear. The VFR sat idle for practically the entire month of February without turning a wheel. She fired right up on the second crank after the "Big Snow" started to melt. I find starting them up every couple of weeks (and going for a ride if possible) means you don't need to do any winterization. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 15:40:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37JeMbm023413; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:40:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37JeMZp023405; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:40:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030407153830.021b94b0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:40:18 -0400 To: dccycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Seasonal insurance In-Reply-To: <4FB2B4F0-692C-11D7-8FFC-000393BD9352@davecross.com> References: <20030407183409.37011.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Back in '97 when I insured my CB750 with USAA they offered 6mos insurance. The difference in price was like $50 for the full year coverage. Keep in mind what happens to you if it isn't insured in the winter and gets stolen / hit in the parking lot. I'm guessing you would be SOL. At 03:08 PM 4/7/2003, David Cross wrote: >Anyone know of any companies that sell seasonal motorcycle insurance? His >thinking is that he only rides 8 months out of the year and doesn't want >to pay for twelve. I seem to recall hearing such insurance in more >northern regions. Anything like that here? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 17:32:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37LWcbm028508; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 17:32:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37LWaol028493; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 17:32:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 17:32:23 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: MLynch@XXXXXX, jmcgonigle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Seasonal insurance MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0281375B.77E230E0.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think Allstate has something like that also. At least, I seem to recall my agent asking me that when I bought coverage. Scooter In a message dated 4/7/2003 2:39:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, MLynch@XXXXXX writes: > > > Through Progressive, I had a "Fair Weather" policy on one of the second > bikes for a while that said there was no coverage from December through > February at something like 80% of the full year coverage. This was in VA a > couple of years ago. > > Mike > 96 VFR > 88 Hawk > 76 CB400F > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim McGonigle [SMTP:jmcgonigle@XXXXXX] > > From what I've been told all motorcycle insurance is seasonal. > > Insurance companies expect most of the mileage (and claims) to be during > > the good weather months. If you wanted insurance for 8 months of the > > year they would probably charge 95+% of the rate if they would even do > > it. > > > > -Jim > > > > PS This is directly from a State Farm agent. Take if FWIW. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: David Cross [mailto:dave@XXXXXX] > > > > > > Anyone know of any companies that sell seasonal > motorcycle insurance? > > > Anything like that here? > > > Thanks > > > Dave > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 17:48:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37LmAbm000398; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 17:48:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37LmA38000388; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 17:48:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030407214808.674.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:48:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Seasonal insurance To: David Cross , dccycles In-Reply-To: <4FB2B4F0-692C-11D7-8FFC-000393BD9352@davecross.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Even if it is cheaper I doubt you will be able to get away with this if you are in Virginia. Since a registered vehicle has to have insurance 100% of the time. Trust me, DMV will and does send out anonymous letters checking insurance policies. Get caught without it and you are looking at a $500 fine and SR-22 insurance for 3 years. Not worth it IMO. Glenn --- David Cross wrote: > Friend asked me this question so I am posting it > here to find out what > the collective thinks . . . > > Anyone know of any companies that sell seasonal > motorcycle insurance? > His thinking is that he only rides 8 months out of > the year and doesn't > want to pay for twelve. I seem to recall hearing > such insurance in more > northern regions. Anything like that here? > > Thanks > > Dave > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 17:53:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37LrVbm004735; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 17:53:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37LrVUX004725; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 17:53:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005401c2fd50$19cef600$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael Lynch" , , "'dccycles'" References: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E492F7@SERVER2> Subject: Re: Seasonal insurance Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 17:53:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 It seems like the savings are fairly insignificant, besides even this winter there were some nice riding days in Dec., Jan., and Feb. If by "nice" you mean sunny and 18 degrees, which was the occasion of my second lengthy ride in January. :-) I rode the VFR to New York in Dec., and went for a longish ride on Groundhog Day this year. The rest of Feb. was a big zero aside from going to work though. So maybe this past winter is not the best example. Looking back through my ride diaries, I would have hated to have a bike "put away" in the winter of 2001-2002. 60 degrees and bugs reported on my helmet on the last weekend of January, 2002. I looked into it at one time, for the VFR, the "nice" bike, but was told that it would have to be put in a bonded warehouse (or U Store It place) to qualify for the non-riding period discount. A neighbor's garage wouldn't cut it, apparently. The cost of that would more than wiped out any savings. It's easier to just ride 'em and that also eliminates any winterization prep as well. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lynch" > Through Progressive, I had a "Fair Weather" policy on one of the second > bikes for a while that said there was no coverage from December through > February at something like 80% of the full year coverage. This was in VA a > couple of years ago. > > Mike > 96 VFR > 88 Hawk > 76 CB400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 18:12:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37MCLbm009116; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:12:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37MCL6h009106; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:12:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E492FB@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'Paul Wilson'" , "'dccycles'" Subject: RE: Seasonal insurance Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:22:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Insignificant? Not really. When you've got a bike that you're not gonna ride anyway during that time, saving $100 is definitely worth it. Not everybody rides year 'round so for them it makes sense. That's why I had it for a while on a bike. You may have had a hard time by the folks because you don't have a garage, though. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wilson [SMTP:pawilson@XXXXXX] > > It seems like the savings are fairly insignificant, besides even this > winter > there were some nice riding days in Dec., Jan., and Feb. If by "nice" you > mean sunny and 18 degrees, which was the occasion of my second lengthy > ride > in January. :-) I rode the VFR to New York in Dec., and went for a > longish > ride on Groundhog Day this year. The rest of Feb. was a big zero aside > from > going to work though. > > So maybe this past winter is not the best example. Looking back through > my > ride diaries, I would have hated to have a bike "put away" in the winter > of > 2001-2002. 60 degrees and bugs reported on my helmet on the last weekend > of > January, 2002. > > I looked into it at one time, for the VFR, the "nice" bike, but was told > that it would have to be put in a bonded warehouse (or U Store It place) > to > qualify for the non-riding period discount. A neighbor's garage wouldn't > cut it, apparently. The cost of that would more than wiped out any > savings. > It's easier to just ride 'em and that also eliminates any winterization > prep > as well. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Lynch" > > Through Progressive, I had a "Fair Weather" policy on one of the second > > bikes for a while that said there was no coverage from December through > > February at something like 80% of the full year coverage. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 18:17:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37MHcbm013455; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:17:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37MHbac013440; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:17:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E91F8C6.F4C1E8A@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 18:16:38 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn Dysart CC: David Cross , dccycles Subject: Re: Seasonal insurance References: <20030407214808.674.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep, and I seem to recall Maryland DMV is even more vicious than Virginia. Mega-fines and mucho butt-busting... Bill Glenn Dysart wrote: > Even if it is cheaper I doubt you will be able to get > away with this if you are in Virginia. Since a > registered vehicle has to have insurance 100% of the > time. Trust me, DMV will and does send out anonymous > letters checking insurance policies. Get caught > without it and you are looking at a $500 fine and > SR-22 insurance for 3 years. Not worth it IMO. > > Glenn > > --- David Cross wrote: > > Friend asked me this question so I am posting it > > here to find out what > > the collective thinks . . . > > > > Anyone know of any companies that sell seasonal > > motorcycle insurance? > > His thinking is that he only rides 8 months out of > > the year and doesn't > > want to pay for twelve. I seem to recall hearing > > such insurance in more > > northern regions. Anything like that here? > > > > Thanks > > > > Dave > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 18:37:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37Mbjbm017874; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:37:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37MbiVh017864; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:37:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00dd01c2fd56$475bab80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael Lynch" , "'dccycles'" References: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E492FB@SERVER2> Subject: Re: Seasonal insurance Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:37:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 My grandfather used to do that in the Great White North, only with a convertible that never saw rain, much less ice, snow and salt. So, how did you navigate the long arm of the DMV? Sounds like VA DMV has a fairly unforgiving attitude about such things. BTW, another company I talked to said seasonal policies were a north of the Mason-Dixon line thing for them and they don't write them south of PA. Getting back to another thread, the bike sale thread. That's another reason to turn in your plates, in DC at least. You sell your vehicle, the insurance company will report VIN such and such as having a cancelled policy as a result of a spot check and if DMV thinks that plate is still in circulation with an active registration, how did Bill H. put it, a "butt-busting" will ensue. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lynch" To: "'Paul Wilson'" ; "'dccycles'" Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 6:22 PM Subject: RE: Seasonal insurance > Insignificant? Not really. When you've got a bike that you're not gonna > ride anyway during that time, saving $100 is definitely worth it. Not > everybody rides year 'round so for them it makes sense. That's why I had it > for a while on a bike. You may have had a hard time by the folks because > you don't have a garage, though. > > Mike > 96 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 19:08:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37N8Hbm028195; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 19:08:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37N8HpS028185; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 19:08:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E492FF@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'Paul Wilson'" , "'dccycles'" Subject: RE: Seasonal insurance Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 19:18:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain I don't know, somehow Progressive did it so that DMV was happy. I must have had that particular policy for 3 or 4 years, so DMV should have caught it in that time if they had an issue with it. Not sure what the agreement there was. They liked it, though. Ya, don't EVER let your plates out of your sight on a vehicle you are selling/sold. No matter how "respected" or "well known" a person seems to be, you will get screwed, and it's YOUR name behind those plates, and YOU will pay the money to straighten out what the other person did while in possession of your plates. :-/ Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wilson [SMTP:pawilson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 6:37 PM > To: Michael Lynch; 'dccycles' > Subject: Re: Seasonal insurance > > My grandfather used to do that in the Great White North, only with a > convertible that never saw rain, much less ice, snow and salt. So, how > did > you navigate the long arm of the DMV? Sounds like VA DMV has a fairly > unforgiving attitude about such things. BTW, another company I talked to > said seasonal policies were a north of the Mason-Dixon line thing for them > and they don't write them south of PA. > > Getting back to another thread, the bike sale thread. That's another > reason > to turn in your plates, in DC at least. You sell your vehicle, the > insurance company will report VIN such and such as having a cancelled > policy > as a result of a spot check and if DMV thinks that plate is still in > circulation with an active registration, how did Bill H. put it, a > "butt-busting" will ensue. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 19:25:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h37NPtbm032598; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 19:25:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h37NPrmj032583; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 19:25:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <017f01c2fd5c$e0dcf1f0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: "dccycles" References: <20030407214808.674.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> <3E91F8C6.F4C1E8A@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Seasonal insurance Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 19:24:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7993f4ca3ab93409b762314aff94181adf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c I thought you *could* get seasonal insurance - at least collision or something - in VA... Not in MD, the not_so_free_state... I haven't asked about seasonal coverage, because the way my luck works, 15 minutes after dropping my collision & comp coverage, something will happen to my bike... OTOH, if sitting in your garage during the winter months, which now are October through the end of April :-( , you could at least up the deductibles on collision, comp etc... and keep bare minimum coverage ... could save a few pennies... Bill then opined > Yep, and I seem to recall Maryland DMV is even more vicious than > Virginia. Mega-fines and mucho butt-busting... [DaveY] I became a "compulsory insurance violator" in MD once, at 20, when I called and asked that insurance be dropped for 1 of my 3 vehicles. When I got a refund check ~10 days later, I called, and the MORONS at (Walterry in Clinton) the insurance company dropped all of my vehicles... AND of course, reported me. At the time, it was a $100 fine for the 1st 30 days, + $5 / day with no cap. That subsequently went up to $150 for the 1st 30 days & $7 / day the last I knew. Within a couple weeks, I got the FR19 request. Once you're a MD C.I.V., you're on the list for random FR 19 requests for a minimum of 5 years. I got them 1-2 times per year for the next 6 years.... One of them was a serious one because it was for a car I had sold YEARS AGO ! MVA demanded a bill of sale, and I thought I was staring down literally thousands in fines... FORTUNATELY, the alleged lapse they were talking about, was actually the original lapse caused by my idiot 'insurance agent'. I managed to find enough paperwork to take it to the Waldorf MVA. After my mandatory 2 1/2 hour wait, I got to go see MVA goons. The 2 women were pleasant enough, but the guy was a total D!ck. The guy in front of me in line let his insurance lapse on his '68 Dodge Dart, and he amassed $7800.00 in fines, could not renew his registration or license until it was paid. When he left, the guy called to the cops stationed at the MVA to follow him so they could ticket him if he was driving. I managed to get my original case number from one of the women working at the time, and the dates of coverage they needed. I took the printed copy & went home, found receipts for my tag turn in, bill of sale and on another day, went back and showed the MVA the error of their ways... Not quite. seems they couldn't 'adjudicate' it as having been paid, only Glen Burnie could do that. I called Glen Burnie, and wonder of wonders, some pleasant woman returned my call, and in 1 of only 2 pleasant experiences dealing with MVA, she confirmed that the FR 19 request was in error - AND - she agreed to send me a letter indicating that I was not an insurance violator. Had the letter in 2 days, and, they even apologized ( I didn't even ask ).... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 21:02:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3812tbm004904; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:02:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3812sDh004894; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:02:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.83.223.127] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Seasonal insurance Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 21:02:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2003 01:02:47.0108 (UTC) FILETIME=[919C1040:01C2FD6A] So when selling the bike, how does the other guy get it home? >From: Michael Lynch >To: "'Paul Wilson'" , "'dccycles'" > >Subject: RE: Seasonal insurance >Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 19:18:38 -0400 > >Ya, don't EVER let your plates out of your sight on a vehicle you are >selling/sold. No matter how "respected" or "well known" a person seems to >be, you will get screwed, and it's YOUR name behind those plates, and YOU >will pay the money to straighten out what the other person did while in >possession of your plates. :-/ _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 21:08:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3818Wbm009214; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:08:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3818VhD009199; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:08:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006001c2fd6b$5eab0730$ef2b2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "rich hall" , References: Subject: Re: Seasonal insurance Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:08:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Here's how I've done it, with a cage. Finalize the transaction at the DMV. Title, money changes hands and bill of sale gets executed. He gets his temp tag; you turn in your plates. Everyone goes away happy. The buyer can also get a three-day (or something) transit tag in most places, say if you live in DC and you're buying a bike in NC and intend to ride it home. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich hall" > So when selling the bike, how does the other guy get it home? > > >From: Michael Lynch > > > >Ya, don't EVER let your plates out of your sight on a vehicle you are > >selling/sold. No matter how "respected" or "well known" a person seems to > >be, you will get screwed, and it's YOUR name behind those plates, and YOU > >will pay the money to straighten out what the other person did while in > >possession of your plates. :-/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 21:47:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h381lmbm013683; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:47:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h381llNe013673; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:47:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030407214349.028acb10@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rmeyer9@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 21:45:12 -0400 To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: RE: Seasonal insurance In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:02 PM 4/7/03 -0400, rich hall wrote: >So when selling the bike, how does the other guy get it home? > >>From: Michael Lynch >>To: "'Paul Wilson'" , "'dccycles'" >> >>Subject: RE: Seasonal insurance >>Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 19:18:38 -0400 >> >>Ya, don't EVER let your plates out of your sight on a vehicle you are >>selling/sold. No matter how "respected" or "well known" a person seems to >>be, you will get screwed, and it's YOUR name behind those plates, and YOU >>will pay the money to straighten out what the other person did while in >>possession of your plates. :-/ That depends on the state, but take my word for. Don't EVER let the buyer ride off on your plates. I did it once, about 10 years ago, while selling a cage. Not only did I never get the plates back, but I got about $400 in tickets and penalties because the fuck parked the car in DC with expired plates. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 22:14:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h382ENbm018123; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:14:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h382ENlh018112; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:14:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01b901c2fd74$6a9c5860$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030407214349.028acb10@pop.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: Seasonal insurance Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:13:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7929281dc84e27ff543e7b99c5ca749bfc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Bob contributes sage advice - > That depends on the state, but take my word for. Don't EVER let the buyer > ride off on your plates. I did it once, about 10 years ago, while selling > a cage. Not only did I never get the plates back, but I got about $400 in > tickets and penalties because the fuck parked the car in DC with expired > plates. [Dave] err... you knew the buyer's name / address / etc... right ? wouldn't a quick call to the DMV or police "hey I think I left my tag under the seat of my bike when I sold it, and the new owner has it"... have taken care of it ? That is bogus though... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 7 22:31:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h382V9bm022483; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:31:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h382V822022473; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:31:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E49300@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'Bob Meyer '" , "'rich hall '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Seasonal insurance Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:41:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" AAHHHHH HAHAHAHAHA EXACTLY!!! BTDT. Right, DUDE???? Only for me it was Arlington. And like Kitchell said, they go for the jugular. How does the other guy get it home? Not your feckin' problem. It's his. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F From: Bob Meyer I got about $400 in tickets and penalties because the feck parked the car in DC with expired plates. Bob At 09:02 PM 4/7/03 -0400, rich hall wrote: >So when selling the bike, how does the other guy get it home? > >>From: Michael Lynch >>Ya, don't EVER let your plates out of your sight on a vehicle you are >>selling/sold. :-/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 8 06:56:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h38Aupbm029431; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 06:56:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h38AuoMR029413; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 06:56:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 07:09:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Seasonal insurance In-Reply-To: <006001c2fd6b$5eab0730$ef2b2c42@D7XFG711> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Paul Wilson wrote: > Here's how I've done it, with a cage. Finalize the transaction at the DMV. > Title, money changes hands and bill of sale gets executed. He gets his temp > tag; you turn in your plates. Everyone goes away happy. > > The buyer can also get a three-day (or something) transit tag in most > places, say if you live in DC and you're buying a bike in NC and intend to > ride it home. The buyers of my old bikes have always trucked/trailered the bikes home. For transactions, I have done them at my house and at my local motorcycle shop. And I agree with what someone else mentioned... cash is king :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 8 07:27:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h38BRpbm001459; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 07:27:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h38BRpCN001451; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 07:27:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Seasonal insurance To: David Cross Cc: dccycles X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4a July 24, 2000 Message-ID: From: "Steven T Meredith" Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 07:26:48 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on VA-FCH32/SRV/CSC(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 04/08/2003 07:24:52 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dave, Progressive has a 3 month winter layup option (Dec, Jan, Feb) that reduces the premium a little bit. They were very reasonable on their costs when I first signed up with them, but after two claims, my policy premium sky rocketed. Still, policy service was outstanding in handeling my claims. Steve Meredith 97 VFR, Warrenton From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 8 09:53:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h38Drmbm008861; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 09:53:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h38DrlSb008851; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 09:53:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 09:53:33 -0400 From: Jpr2586@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 04/07/03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1363AE3A.16AF27D3.00183101@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hey all! i have a buddy looking for something to learn to ride on. he isnt really picky, but he doesnt have a ton of dough either. he is hoping to find something under 1000$, as far below that as possible is great. drop me a line at shanesr74@XXXXXX if you by chance have any leads. see ya on the road! shane From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 8 10:35:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h38EZQbm013544; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 10:35:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h38EZQPp013534; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 10:35:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: Jpr2586@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: dc-cycles digest for 04/07/03 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 10:35:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030408143520.OEWV4514.lakemtao07.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> I think there was a Suzuki 500cc twin (or was it a Kawi? one or the other) in Sunday's post for $1000. Either makes a great first bike. Bob > > From: Jpr2586@XXXXXX > Date: 2003/04/08 Tue AM 09:53:33 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 04/07/03 > > hey all! > i have a buddy looking for something to learn to ride on. > he isnt really picky, but he doesnt have a ton of dough > either. he is hoping to find something under 1000$, as far below that as possible is great. drop me a line at > shanesr74@XXXXXX if you by chance have any leads. > see ya on the road! > shane > > Bob Meyer '92 Standard STOC # 1157 If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 8 14:20:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h38IKjbm021262; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:20:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h38IKhPC021252; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:20:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030408182041.54909.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:20:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: The Early Bird Gets the Triumph To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This going into the Post on Sunday: 2000 Triumph Sprint ST, red, 14k mi, factory hard bags, rack + carbon can, dbl bbl screen, Corbin deerskin seat w/ removable backrest. $6800. Also includes stock seat and Triumph Factory Service Manual. Contact rich_triumph@XXXXXX or call 540-751-0258 A very cool Sport Tourer with the emphasis on Sport. Thanks, Rich __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 8 20:53:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h390r4bm006795; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 20:53:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h390r1cV006780; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 20:53:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 20:45:47 -0400 Subject: Ortleib Drybag saddle bags FS From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit For sale: Like new Ortleib Drybag saddle bags. List price new $167 plus shipping. Yours for $120 including shipping. See pictures and description at www.aerostich.com Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 8 20:55:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h390tObm013526; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 20:55:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h390tN81013513; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 20:55:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 20:55:12 EDT Subject: Re: Bike woes. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/7/2003 2:00:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > Could it be a carb thing? Or a gas thing, not the same thing at all. Before you spend a lot of time and money _drain_ your carbs There should be drain screws, loosen them and let them drain, then re fill them and try again. Odds are the fuel in the carbs has gone bad, draining them and re filling *may* get things going. (Note if you have a vacuum fuel valve you will need to put it on prime to fill the carbs. If you have a vacuum valve and no prime you will either have to crank for a while to re fill the carbs or apply a vacuum to the vacuum side of the valve.) Gas in the carbs is exposed to air through the jets, vents and drains and so goes bad very quickly (compared to fuel in the tank) On of my bikes (dirt) will not start after sitting just 2 or 3 _days_ unless I drain the carbs first. Good luck John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC The guy who coined the term "Safety First" is DEAD. Take the hint. Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 8 21:07:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3917obm017889; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:07:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3917o6j017879; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:07:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.177.247] X-Originating-Email: [hotrivet@XXXXXX] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Cc: pawilson@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 00:56:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2003 00:56:17.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3A3C320:01C2FE32] VA isn't unforgiving (in a manner of speaking) they have computers... they have a system and a process. NC was bad even back in the late 70's, let you insurance slide and you got mail, indicating that your vehicle was no longer legal... that's not unforgiving. aw >From: Paul Wilson [SMTP:pawilson@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 6:37 PM >To: Michael Lynch; 'dccycles' >Subject: Re: Seasonal insurance > >My grandfather used to do that in the Great White North, only with a >convertible that never saw rain, much less ice, snow and salt. So, how >did >you navigate the long arm of the DMV? Sounds like VA DMV has a fairly >unforgiving attitude about such things. BTW, another company I talked to >said seasonal policies were a north of the Mason-Dixon line thing for them >and they don't write them south of PA. > >Getting back to another thread, the bike sale thread. That's another >reason >to turn in your plates, in DC at least. You sell your vehicle, the >insurance company will report VIN such and such as having a cancelled >policy >as a result of a spot check and if DMV thinks that plate is still in >circulation with an active registration, how did Bill H. put it, a >"butt-busting" will ensue. > >Paul in DC >95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org \ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 8 21:49:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h391nDbm024406; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:49:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h391nDVu024396; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:49:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E937BD9.3371B346@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 21:48:09 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Wah CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam Wah wrote: > VA isn't unforgiving (in a manner of speaking) they have computers... they > have a system and a process. NC was bad even back in the late 70's, let you > insurance slide and you got mail, indicating that your vehicle was no longer > legal... that's not unforgiving. > > aw Even back in the `60s, North Carolina REQUIRED insurance to purchase a tag, and if you let your insurance lapse, or if your dumb-butt insurance company failed to file the paperwork, NC would send out a state trooper with a screwdriver to snatch your tag. Yep, had to hide my plate for a week until the DB insurance co rectified their error. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 19:22:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h39NMAbm020524; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:22:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h39NM76C020509; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:22:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:34:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: SPAM - FS: 2001 Audi S4 6spd Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry for the non-moto content, but thought maybe an enthusiast here may be interested in this car. :-) I'm selling my S4. My friend, who owns a used car lot, is retailing the car for me. He can arrange test drives, financing, etc. Details: - silver exterior - black leather interior - 6spd manual - 2.7L twin turbo V6 - 250hp/258tq - AWD - factory 17" wheels with new Dunlop SP9000s - traction/stability control - power windows, door locks, sunroof, mirrors - power front seats/heated front seats - electrochromatic mirrors - climate control - single in dash CD player/stereo - always dealer maintained (Rockville Porsche/Audi) The car is loaded and in good condition, recent 30,000 mile service. It currently has ~36k miles on it. Full warranty/service through Audi for 4yr/50k miles. The car is a blast to drive and even gets through the snow reasonably well. Located in Frederick, MD. Please contact me if interested. Thanks! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 19:27:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h39NRabm027286; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:27:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h39NRY9t027271; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:27:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030409192508.028b30b0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rmeyer9@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 19:27:05 -0400 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: SPAM - FS: 2001 Audi S4 6spd In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Hi all: A week or so ago I asked about recommended Suzuki dealers. Now I have a slightly different question: Do any of the local (within 50 miles of DC, maybe) Suzuki dealers offer test rides, under any circumstances? I'm really giving very serious thought to buying a new SV1000, but I'll be damned if I'm going to drop 7 or 8 large on something I can't try first. Thanks for any suggestions you've got. Bob Meyer '92 Candy Glory Red Honda ST1100, STOC # 1157 "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. " From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 19:37:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h39Nb2bm031645; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:37:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h39Nb143031635; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:37:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:49:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Test riding an SV1k In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030409192508.028b30b0@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Bob Meyer wrote: > Do any of the local (within 50 miles of DC, maybe) Suzuki dealers offer > test rides, under any circumstances? I'm really giving very serious > thought to buying a new SV1000, but I'll be damned if I'm going to drop 7 > or 8 large on something I can't try first. Try Twigg's in Hagerstown. They let a friend of mine (on this list) test ride a new VFR. They have a 4 mile course laid out for the ride. Not long, but better than nothing. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 20:14:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3A0ERbm009146; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:14:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3A0ERDo009138; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:14:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030409201329.028c08a0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rmeyer9@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 20:13:59 -0400 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Test riding an SV1k In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030409192508.028b30b0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:49 PM 4/9/03 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Bob Meyer wrote: > > > Do any of the local (within 50 miles of DC, maybe) Suzuki dealers offer > > test rides, under any circumstances? I'm really giving very serious > > thought to buying a new SV1000, but I'll be damned if I'm going to drop 7 > > or 8 large on something I can't try first. > >Try Twigg's in Hagerstown. They let a friend of mine (on this list) test >ride a new VFR. They have a 4 mile course laid out for the ride. Not >long, but better than nothing. Thanks Wayne. I"ll call them tomorrow. Bob Meyer '92 Candy Glory Red ST1100, STOC # 1157 "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. " From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 20:15:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3A0FZbm011403; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:15:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3A0FYmK011396; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:15:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030409201412.028bca00@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rmeyer9@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 20:14:58 -0400 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: Oops! Where to test ride an '03 SV1000 In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030409192508.028b30b0@pop.east.cox.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Pardon my failure to change the subject line the first time I posted this. At 07:27 PM 4/9/03 -0400, Bob Meyer wrote: >>Hi all: > >A week or so ago I asked about recommended Suzuki dealers. Now I have a >slightly different question: > >Do any of the local (within 50 miles of DC, maybe) Suzuki dealers offer >test rides, under any circumstances? I'm really giving very serious >thought to buying a new SV1000, but I'll be damned if I'm going to drop 7 >or 8 large on something I can't try first. > >Thanks for any suggestions you've got. > > >Bob Meyer >'92 Candy Glory Red Honda ST1100, STOC # 1157 >"If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible >warning. " Bob Meyer '92 Candy Glory Red, STOC # 1157 "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. " From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 21:30:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3A1UZbm020606; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:30:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3A1UYqb020596; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:30:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030409212736.00b46138@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:30:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: OT: Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Odd question I know, but it's for a funeral. Does anyone know where I can purchase "vigil" candles? You know the type, they're the ones with the paper ring you slide down the candle that you use in church and for vigils. Usually comes in boxes of 100 or so. I need to find a local shop that sells them ASAP...it was a last minute request by his wife for this Fridays ceremony. tks, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 21:54:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3A1sfbm027485; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:54:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3A1sfZN027474; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:54:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E94CEA5.946DF386@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:53:41 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: OT: Question References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030409212736.00b46138@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Get on the phone in the AM and call a Roman Catholic church office, or an RC bookstore at one of the many parochial schools in the area. Bill Aki Damme wrote: > > Odd question I know, but it's for a funeral. Does anyone know where > I can purchase "vigil" candles? > > You know the type, they're the ones with the paper ring you slide > down the candle that you use in church > and for vigils. Usually comes in boxes of 100 or so. > > I need to find a local shop that sells them ASAP...it was a last > minute request by his wife for this Fridays > ceremony. > > tks, > -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 22:06:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3A260bm031883; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:06:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3A25xjo031873; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:05:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E94D150.62DE6B43@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 22:05:04 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: OT: Question References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030409212736.00b46138@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay - "Garden of Diversity" 8427 Cooper Rd Alex VA 703 799-2101 Or look in NOVA yellow pages under "Candles-Retail", several listings. Bill Aki Damme wrote: > > Odd question I know, but it's for a funeral. Does anyone know where > I can purchase "vigil" candles? > > You know the type, they're the ones with the paper ring you slide > down the candle that you use in church > and for vigils. Usually comes in boxes of 100 or so. > > I need to find a local shop that sells them ASAP...it was a last > minute request by his wife for this Fridays > ceremony. > > tks, > -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 22:35:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3A2Zvbm003967; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:35:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3A2ZsWj003952; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:35:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.83.223.127] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SPAM - FS: 2001 Audi S4 6spd Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 22:24:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2003 02:24:37.0868 (UTC) FILETIME=[557A12C0:01C2FF08] How much? >From: Wayne Edelen >To: >Subject: SPAM - FS: 2001 Audi S4 6spd >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:34:10 -0400 (EDT) > >Sorry for the non-moto content, but thought maybe an enthusiast here may >be interested in this car. :-) > >I'm selling my S4. My friend, who owns a used car lot, is retailing the >car for me. He can arrange test drives, financing, etc. > >Details: > > - silver exterior > - black leather interior > - 6spd manual > - 2.7L twin turbo V6 - 250hp/258tq > - AWD > - factory 17" wheels with new Dunlop SP9000s > - traction/stability control > - power windows, door locks, sunroof, mirrors > - power front seats/heated front seats > - electrochromatic mirrors > - climate control > - single in dash CD player/stereo > - always dealer maintained (Rockville Porsche/Audi) > >The car is loaded and in good condition, recent 30,000 mile service. It >currently has ~36k miles on it. Full warranty/service through Audi for >4yr/50k miles. > >The car is a blast to drive and even gets through the snow reasonably >well. > >Located in Frederick, MD. Please contact me if interested. > >Thanks! > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 9 22:47:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3A2lPbm008362; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:47:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3A2lP1C008352; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:47:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030410024707.2024.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:47:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: OT: Question To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030409212736.00b46138@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Aki Damme wrote: > > Odd question I know, but it's for a funeral. Does anyone > know where > I can purchase "vigil" candles? > > You know the type, they're the ones with the paper ring > you slide > down the candle that you use in church > and for vigils. Usually comes in boxes of 100 or so. > > I need to find a local shop that sells them ASAP...it was > a last > minute request by his wife for this Fridays > ceremony. There's a Catholic bookshop in Old Town that sells them -- on King Street, just SE of Henry (between the two parts of Rt. 1). -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 10 15:16:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3AJGubm022519; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:16:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3AJGrSM022509; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:16:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.103.163.130] X-Originating-Email: [altaanc@XXXXXX] From: "Altaan Choudhry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: GP Joke Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:16:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2003 19:16:28.0876 (UTC) FILETIME=[B00EB8C0:01C2FF95] Overheard in the pits at the Italian MotoGP Race: Rossi and Biaggi walk into the trackside Cafe and order expresso. They sit down and engage in an animated conversation. The lady sitting behind them ignores them at first, but her attention is galvanized when she hears one of the men say the following: "Emma come first. Den I come. Den two asses come together. I come once-a-more. Two asses, they come together again. I come again and pee twice. Then I come one lasta time." "You foul-mouthed sex obsessed swine," retorted the lady indignantly. "In my country....we don't speak aloud in public places about our sex lives......... "Hey, coola down lady," said Rossi. "Who talkin' abouta sexa? I'm a justa tellin' my frienda Max here how to spella 'Mississippi'." _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 10 15:20:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3AJKLbm025027; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:20:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3AJKKPx025020; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:20:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E95C3A3.AE7B1E9F@tasam.com> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:18:59 -0400 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Ebay Fraud Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know a lot of folks do a lot of buying on ebay, thought I'd pass this link along. > http://www.securitynewsportal.com/cgi-bin/cgi-script/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=JanY%2edb&command=viewone&id=83&op=t http://makeashorterlink.com/?R19022B24 Blue skies! Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 10 17:23:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3ALN4bm004378; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:23:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3ALN3Zu004368; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:23:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030410212301.14008.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:23:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: GP Joke To: Altaan Choudhry , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Rossi and Biaggi walk into the trackside Cafe and order > expresso. Not bloody likely. 8;) -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 10 17:50:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3ALogbm008888; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:50:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3ALofsR008878; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:50:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E49327@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: GP Joke Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:01:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain And what is this expresso everyone speaks so much about? Is it some kind of espresso, but served extra quick? Or maybe you drink it quicker? Confused, Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Larson [SMTP:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] > > > Rossi and Biaggi walk into the trackside Cafe and order > > expresso. > > Not bloody likely. 8;) > > -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 10 18:10:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3AMAabm013424; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:10:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3AMAacb013415; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:10:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <1589083.1050012407287.JavaMail.freecat@mac.com> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:06:47 -0400 From: Stephen Miller To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: GP Joke Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Supposably expresso is a bevridge that motorsickle racers like Rossi and Biaggi would drink. On Thursday, April 10, 2003, at 06:01PM, Michael Lynch wrote: >And what is this expresso everyone speaks so much about? Is it some kind of >espresso, but served extra quick? Or maybe you drink it quicker? > >Confused, >Mike >96 VFR >88 Hawk >76 CB400F > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Larry Larson [SMTP:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] >> >> > Rossi and Biaggi walk into the trackside Cafe and order >> > expresso. >> >> Not bloody likely. 8;) >> >> -- Larry > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 09:05:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BD5nbm031441; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:05:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BD5m5e031429; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:05:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030411130531.15802.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 06:05:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Test To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I haven't seen much dc-cycles traffic lately. Just testing. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 09:09:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BD9Abm003632; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:09:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BD9ABH003621; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:09:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: Message-ID: <005f01c3002b$876012c0$4300a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: References: <20030411130531.15802.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Test Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:08:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Seems your TESTicle worked :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Weaver" To: Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 9:05 AM Subject: Test > I haven't seen much dc-cycles traffic lately. Just testing. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 09:09:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BD9mbm003678; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:09:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BD9lRI003673; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:09:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: Message-ID: <006701c3002b$9dd324c0$4300a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: References: <20030411130531.15802.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Test Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:09:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Seems your TESTicle worked :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Weaver" To: Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 9:05 AM Subject: Test > I haven't seen much dc-cycles traffic lately. Just testing. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 09:13:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BDDwbm007964; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:13:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BDDwgi007951; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:13:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:13:49 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: [Fwd: LDRider: MD2020 REG deadline] To: DC Cycles Message-id: <3E96BF8D.BF187968@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en DC-C'ers There is still time to sign up for this year's Mason-Dixon 2020 rally, taking place in York, PA over Memorial Day weekend. I'll be a junior probie FNG Rallybubba this year, helping the other 'Bubbas host what has become a first-class endurance riding event on the East Coast. Forwarded a little note from the LD rider list - free publicity is always nice. It's even better when it's favorable. :) Hope to see some of y'all there. http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Horkster -- Subject: LDRider: MD2020 REG deadline WHAT THE H&!! IS THE MATTER WITH YOU Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 12:00:40 -0400 From: Rob Nye To: "LD RIDERS (LDRIDERS)" Ok boys and girls, parts of the following are either completely tongue in cheek or serious. It is up to you, my gentle reader to decide which is which. Here we go... I have been watching with interest the entry list for the 0003 Mason Dixon 20-20 rally coming up Memorial Day weekend. Why might you ask? Well this rally holds a dear place in my riding heart. After getting hooked on rallying from the BLII, the MD 20-20 was my second event and as one can imagine a bit less strenuous than the BL. My first MD 20-20 taught me more about rallying that the Butt Lite mainly because I had the inglorious experience of being time bared by two minutes which cost me a podium finish. Let me tell you that while a learning experience, it really sucked to be late not only for the effect on the results (DNF) but because of the stress of the last hour of the ride. The shirt given out at the 01MD is one of my most prized items and is only brought out on very special occasions, or when I take the boys to the lanes. )) A legendary shirt from a legendary event. On my second MD 20-20 I was in the barn with over two hours remaining before penalty after what was one of my best rides. Don Arthur was better and I finished second. While some say second is the first looser, everyone is a winner and I could not think of a better individual to be second to. The rally "shirt" was an wicked nice fleece with way cool embroidery. In fact, I wear this just about every day at work (Computer room with strong AC) and am enjoying it as I type this. While I do not enter rallies to win (I don't want my judgment clouded by such goals) I do want to test my skills as a navigator, planner and rider against other like minded individuals. The Mason Dixon 20-20 gives me the opportunity to do this without a huge time commitment. This year I get to test myself in a longer (48 hr) event which will be very good training for the IBR. The good folks in York have always been most excellent at satisfying their riders, this year will be no exception. Champion Don Arthur will be leading a seminar for folks who want a taste of rallying in the 24hr division. Don is an absolutely world class human, has the patience of a saint, wisdom of Job and could even teach a phd a thing or two about how to complete a first IBA certified ride. It is pretty easy to stay sane for 24 hrs especially as they have a rest bonus that is so weighted with points that you can't pass it up even if you are very obnoxious and think you are smarter. I like points for sleeping. For those of us who would like more of a challenge and the chance to get intimately acquainted with a polaroid new for this year is the 48hr event with photo boni and everything. What is a little disappointing is that entries seem down from pervious years. One of my favorite parts of rallies is hanging out with equally maladjusted folks before and after the event as well as the chance meetings on the road. In addition to this the MD 20-20 is a themed rally which adds to the fun. My first one included stops at many memorials to our fallen heroes in the services, last year is was the DOA (Diners of America) tour. This year it is "Seeking higher ground". Where will we go? Drug stores? Highest points in various states? Airfields? The only way to find out is to show up. On top of all this this event supports a most worthy cause, the John Hopkins Children's hospital. 'Nuff said. So Mrs. Smith, how come Jimmy does not want to come out and play? Has the LD Riders list (east of Mississippi folks) degenerated into a bunch of poser wannabes? Perhaps it is due to a shortage of Ritalin that has me wanting to bitch slap a few people but there are some folks here who post with the self perceived authority of Moses coming down the hill yet they never rally or are listed as a certified ride finisher. Step up and show us you can walk the talk and shut me up! Don't delay, sign up today so we all can have more fun and benefit a worthy cause. Best, Rob Nye DNF 01 MD20-20 (nowhere to go but up) 2nd 02 MD20-20 Now we're talking 03 20-20 MD20-20 Everyone is a winner! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 09:16:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BDGwbm010476; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:16:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BDGwZo010470; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:16:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: Test Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:13:16 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <20030411130531.15802.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> <006701c3002b$9dd324c0$4300a8c0@C4ZJ911> In-Reply-To: <006701c3002b$9dd324c0$4300a8c0@C4ZJ911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03041109131631.02809@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 11 April 2003 09:09, Gary Foreman wrote: > Seems your TESTicle worked :-) > At first I thought there was a problem because of the two replies but then I realized that there _would_ be two TESTicle's. In the recent American Iron rag, the ad for the 33,900 bike (forget the brand; so much for ads) has two walnuts at the top of the ad. The left one is "for sale". In the ad, it says to sell the left one if necessary. The previous ad had a newspaper classified ad which offered their second kidney for $33,900. Still can't remember the bike though. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 09:17:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BDHvbm014744; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:17:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BDHvSi014739; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:17:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Test Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:14:19 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030411130531.15802.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030411130531.15802.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03041109141932.02809@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 11 April 2003 09:05, Chris Weaver wrote: > I haven't seen much dc-cycles traffic lately. Just testing. > I figure it's because everyone's out riding ;-) After all, it's such a nice day (unlike yesterday; scumbag weathermen). Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 09:36:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BDaGbm016983; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:36:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BDaFC6016976; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:36:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E96C492.4E7274F5@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:35:14 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: YOU TEASE! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mother Nature scowled at me, offended by my comment. "Well, you are a tease! A week or so ago you gave us nice warm weather that even had the tender-skinned posuers cleaning up their scoots for the season, and NOW THIS! Chilling rain, miserable weather!" Mother Nature snickered. "So you're a tease," I continue. "You're like those dang high school girls who played me along until my undies were steaming and then they'd dump a load of ice cubes down my pants. A TEASE!" Oops, she's really POed now. Time to appease, and I promise to get sky-clad (butt-neked) and dance under a full moon many times this summer, if she will just cut off the rain faucet and turn the temp up. "This coming week, young man," she says. Young? Well, okay, Mother Nature has been around forever. "The full moon is on the 16th," she continues. "I'll be watching your sky-clad bod, and if I like what I *see*..." she pauses and growls "... I'll consider extending the perfect motorcycle riding season." EEK! Best get my butt to the gym. Less than a week to turn this anchient bod into six-pack, buns-o-steel perfection! Or maybe I can wow her with my equipment. Hardy har har - *snork* giggle... Oh well, at least we'll have a few days of great scoot weather. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 09:45:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BDjMbm021635; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:45:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BDjL4t021625; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:45:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030411094423.021ae200@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:45:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Noisy Bikers Whine at City Ordinance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/ENGINE_REVVING_BAN?SITE=NYPLA&SECTION=SOUTHWEST&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT Apr 11, 8:59 AM EDT Bikers Offended by Anti-Revving Rule CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) -- In America's most mannerly city, it would be downright rude to rev one's motorcycle engine too loudly, the city council says. But some bikers planning to attend a nearby rally next week say an ordinance approved Tuesday is not hospitable at all. "It's scaring the bikers. We're not welcome," said Tommy Murray of Hanahan. "You're not going to go somewhere where you're not welcome." The council amended the city's noise ordinance to ban loud revving of engines. Supporters say it's aimed at noisy motorcycles and is not intended to spoil the rally. As many as 50,000 bikers are expected to attend the Heritage Motorcycle Rally next week in suburban Ladson, although bikers are expected in downtown Charleston and other areas as well. Charleston again this year topped the unofficial list of America's best-mannered cities compiled by etiquette expert Marjabelle Young Stewart. The law only will be applied when someone loudly revs their engine or speeds away loudly, said Charleston Police Maj. Herbert Whetsell. "Not every motorcycle is inordinately noisy, and not every inordinate noise comes from a motorcycle," said Caroline Cleveland, head of a local neighborhood association. "But wherever it comes from, noise is a problem." ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 09:59:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BDx1bm026326; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:59:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BDx18D026316; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:59:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005201c30032$73ba2650$6801a8c0@STEVEN> From: "Bruce N" To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030411094423.021ae200@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: Noisy Bikers Whine at City Ordinance Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:58:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 What an excellent statement! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" > "Not every motorcycle is inordinately noisy, and not every inordinate noise > comes from a motorcycle," said Caroline Cleveland, head of a local > neighborhood association. "But wherever it comes from, noise is a problem." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 11:01:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BF1fbm028882; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:01:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BF1eQl028872; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:01:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030411150107.61416.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:01:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Test To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030411130531.15802.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Weaver wrote: > I haven't seen much dc-cycles traffic lately. Just > testing. clearly a racist comment. i'm disgusted with what this list has become. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 11:20:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BFKubm031144; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:20:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BFKuW7031134; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:20:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [12.3.60.40] X-Originating-Email: [gingerdc9@XXXXXX] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Test Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:08:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2003 15:08:52.0127 (UTC) FILETIME=[43287AF0:01C3003C] ROTFLMAO. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: Tom Gimer >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Test >Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:01:07 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Chris Weaver wrote: > > I haven't seen much dc-cycles traffic lately. Just > > testing. > >clearly a racist comment. i'm disgusted with what this >list has become. > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more >http://tax.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 11:22:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BFM0bm000837; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:22:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BFM0Te000831; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:22:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:21:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Carbs clean, now what? Message-ID: <20030411081712.Y54492-100000@yes.devclue.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmph. Cleaned my carbs yesterday, and the bike still won't start. Any ideas what to check next? So far I've: checked for spark, cleaned carbs, changed gas, new battery, checked compression, and offered up a still-beating goat heart to the Bike Godz while simultaneously eating the liver. It sounds like the engine is _trying_ to catch, but is unable. Fuel is flowing (I can see it running through the inline fuel filter), and if I try for too long it then dumps out the carb overflow tube. So; carbs? sparks? Something else entirely? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 11:35:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BFZXbm006406; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:35:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BFZWQY006400; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:35:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Fish Flowers'" , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Carbs clean, now what? Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:33:31 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <015d01c3003f$b7f8a050$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <20030411081712.Y54492-100000@yes.devclue.com> I had a bike that did that many years ago. Ended up being the head gasket - still don't know why it went that bad just sitting there though. Doubtful, but sounds like your down to checking the weird things. Good luck, -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 11:22 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Carbs clean, now what? > > > Hmmph. Cleaned my carbs yesterday, and the bike still won't start. Any > ideas what to check next? So far I've: checked for spark, > cleaned carbs, > changed gas, new battery, checked compression, and offered up a > still-beating goat heart to the Bike Godz while > simultaneously eating the > liver. > > It sounds like the engine is _trying_ to catch, but is unable. Fuel is > flowing (I can see it running through the inline fuel > filter), and if I > try for too long it then dumps out the carb overflow tube. So; carbs? > sparks? Something else entirely? > > Fish. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 11:59:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BFxObm008687; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:59:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BFxNUQ008677; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:59:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:59:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Carbs clean, now what? To: fish@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <20030411081712.Y54492-100000@yes.devclue.com> In-Reply-To: <20030411081712.Y54492-100000@yes.devclue.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit fish@XXXXXX writes: >Hmmph. Cleaned my carbs yesterday, and the bike still won't start. Any >ideas what to check next? So far I've: checked for spark, cleaned carbs, >changed gas, new battery, checked compression, Check for flooded engine (wet gas on plugs). If not that, most likely carb cleaning was not done right. Call for consult, 202-234-9229 afternoons. --garcia )B“A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)B” Edward Abbey From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 12:07:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BG7Pbm010908; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:07:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BG7P6I010898; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:07:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E96E7F5.8070305@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:06:13 -0400 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Carbs clean, now what? References: <20030411081712.Y54492-100000@yes.devclue.com> In-Reply-To: <20030411081712.Y54492-100000@yes.devclue.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: >It sounds like the engine is _trying_ to catch, but is unable. Fuel is >flowing (I can see it running through the inline fuel filter), and if I >try for too long it then dumps out the carb overflow tube. So; carbs? >sparks? Something else entirely? > > <$0.02> Bad kill/run switch? Some bikes will turn over with switch in the "off" position. I've been able to take a part and clean the connections of the switch. I forgot, what kinda bike is this? I'd clean/replace the kill/run switch and check the neg battery cable, even clean the ground connections. Good luck, Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 12:10:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BGAbbm013084; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:10:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BGAbZX013076; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:10:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200304111610.AEB12690@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:10:25 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Carbs clean, now what? To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Hmmph. Cleaned my carbs yesterday, and the bike still won't start. Any >ideas what to check next? So far I've: checked for spark, cleaned carbs, >changed gas, new battery, checked compression, and offered up a >still-beating goat heart to the Bike Godz while simultaneously eating the >liver. [Dave] Put some eye of Newt in the gas ? > >It sounds like the engine is _trying_ to catch, but is unable. Fuel is >flowing (I can see it running through the inline fuel filter), and if I >try for too long it then dumps out the carb overflow tube. So; carbs? >sparks? Something else entirely? > >Fish. [Dave] Yeah, I know you said something about 'spark' but, try a new set of plugs. Is it cranking quick enough to catch ( battery in good shape ?) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 12:36:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BGaRbm015365; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:36:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BGaRQB015355; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:36:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Carbs clean, now what? Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:32:50 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <20030411081712.Y54492-100000@yes.devclue.com> In-Reply-To: <20030411081712.Y54492-100000@yes.devclue.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03041112325034.02809@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 92 GS500E from previous mails. On Friday 11 April 2003 11:21, Fish Flowers wrote: > Hmmph. Cleaned my carbs yesterday, and the bike still won't start. Any > ideas what to check next? So far I've: > checked for spark, Presumably meaning you have spark. > cleaned carbs, > changed gas, new battery, checked compression, and offered up a > still-beating goat heart to the Bike Godz while simultaneously eating the > liver. Do the cylinders smell of gas? Plugs wet? > > It sounds like the engine is _trying_ to catch, but is unable. Fuel is > flowing (I can see it running through the inline fuel filter), and if I > try for too long it then dumps out the carb overflow tube. Could the jets be plugged? I had a pretty big piece of crud on one of my jets when I cleaned the carbs on my 750. > So; carbs? > sparks? Something else entirely? > Three things. Fuel, Air, Spark. Is there a bird (or big spider) nesting in your air filter? One of the suggestions on my electrical problem (no spark to any plug) was that the points wires were swapped. If you haven't been mucking with it, I don't see it as the problem. > Fish. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 13:08:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BH87bm017691; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:08:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BH87HM017681; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:08:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:07:27 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Test MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <03109E3F.1D91D7F4.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I choose "A". And that's my final answer. No, WAIT!! I mean "C". Or was it "B"? That's it, my final answer is "D". :-) In a message dated 4/11/2003 8:05:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, chris_vtr@XXXXXX writes: > > > I haven't seen much dc-cycles traffic lately. Just testing. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and > more > http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 13:08:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BH8lbm017738; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:08:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BH8lvs017733; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:08:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:06:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" Subject: Re: Carbs clean, now what? In-reply-to: <20030411081712.Y54492-100000@yes.devclue.com> To: DC-Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Fish Flowers wrote: > Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:21:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: Fish Flowers > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Carbs clean, now what? > > Hmmph. Cleaned my carbs yesterday, and the bike still won't start. Any > ideas what to check next? So far I've: checked for spark, cleaned carbs, > changed gas, new battery, checked compression, and offered up a > still-beating goat heart to the Bike Godz while simultaneously eating the > liver. > > It sounds like the engine is _trying_ to catch, but is unable. Fuel is > flowing (I can see it running through the inline fuel filter), and if I > try for too long it then dumps out the carb overflow tube. So; carbs? > sparks? Something else entirely? > So... - You have Juice - You have spark - Starter turns - Gas flows - wruwruwruwruwruwru just won't catch? ?? Engine cut off switch problem? Side Stand switch problem? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 13:17:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BHHVbm022061; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:17:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BHHVs8022053; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:17:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:16:46 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: gingerdc9@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Test MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <66B63241.0C6D3597.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Now Jeanette, I'm offended by that remark. I can't believe you would say something like that. ;-) Afterall, Rolling On The Floor Laughing one Ass Off is something that should be done in private and not publicly displayed. Unless it's for money. hehe Scooter In a message dated 4/11/2003 10:08:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, gingerdc9@XXXXXX writes: > > > ROTFLMAO. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > > >From: Tom Gimer > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Test > >Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:01:07 -0700 (PDT) > > > >--- Chris Weaver wrote: > > > I haven't seen much dc-cycles traffic lately. Just > > > testing. > > > >clearly a racist comment. i'm disgusted with what this > >list has become. > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > >http://tax.yahoo.com > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _____ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 13:18:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BHINbm022120; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:18:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BHIN8P022112; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:18:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E96F890.22CDFE34@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:17:04 -0400 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Carbs clean, now what? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Fish Flowers wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:21:57 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Fish Flowers > > To: DC-Cycles > > Subject: Carbs clean, now what? > > > > Hmmph. Cleaned my carbs yesterday, and the bike still won't start. Any > > ideas what to check next? So far I've: checked for spark, cleaned carbs, > > changed gas, new battery, checked compression, and offered up a > > still-beating goat heart to the Bike Godz while simultaneously eating the > > liver. > > > > It sounds like the engine is _trying_ to catch, but is unable. Fuel is > > flowing (I can see it running through the inline fuel filter), and if I > > try for too long it then dumps out the carb overflow tube. So; carbs? > > sparks? Something else entirely? > > > > So... > > - You have Juice > - You have spark > - Starter turns > - Gas flows > - wruwruwruwruwruwru just won't catch? > > ?? > > Engine cut off switch problem? Side Stand switch problem? the cutoff and the Side Stand switches kill the park, though. Right? I think the key to this is "if I try for too long it then dumps out the carb overflow tube" but I've been wrong before. Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 13:23:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BHNSbm026428; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:23:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BHNPwo026413; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:23:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200304111740.h3BHeuCo002851@kaneda.boo.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisagoddard@XXXXXX Subject: U-Turns on MSF Test Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:23:24 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 Can someone please tell me the dimensions of the box that you must complete a U- turn in for the MSF road test? Please reply directly to me as I am the digest. Thanks. Lisa Goddard '95 VFR --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 13:26:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BHQebm031068; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:26:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BHQdEk031057; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:26:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200304111744.h3BHiBCo003237@kaneda.boo.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisagoddard@XXXXXX Subject: loud bikes banned in Charleston, SC Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:26:39 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 http://www.news8.net/news/stories/0403/82718.html Charleston, S.C. (AP) - In America's most mannerly city, it would be downright rude to rev one's motorcycle engine too loudly, the city council says. But some bikers planning to attend a nearby rally next week say an ordinance approved Tuesday is not hospitable at all. "It's scaring the bikers. We're not welcome," said Tommy Murray of Hanahan. "You're not going to go somewhere where you're not welcome." The council amended the city's noise ordinance to ban loud revving of engines. Supporters say it's aimed at noisy motorcycles and is not intended to spoil the rally. As many as 50,000 bikers are expected to attend the Heritage Motorcycle Rally next week in suburban Ladson, although bikers are expected in downtown Charleston and other areas as well. Charleston again this year topped the unofficial list of America's best- mannered cities compiled by etiquette expert Marjabelle Young Stewart. The law only will be applied when someone loudly revs their engine or speeds away loudly, said Charleston Police Maj. Herbert Whetsell. "Not every motorcycle is inordinately noisy, and not every inordinate noise comes from a motorcycle," said Caroline Cleveland, head of a local neighborhood association. "But wherever it comes from, noise is a problem." --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 13:29:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BHT4bm003284; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:29:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BHT4Dp003274; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:29:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E96FB13.F0C0FA22@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:27:47 -0400 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Carbs clean, now what? References: <3E96F890.22CDFE34@tasam.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Skip wrote: > > the cutoff and the Side Stand switches kill the park, though. Right? > > I think the key to this is "if I try for too long it then dumps out the > carb overflow tube" > > but I've been wrong before. *spark* I meant they kill the *spark* Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 14:03:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BI3Pbm005740; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:03:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BI3Oao005732; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:03:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: loud bikes banned in Charleston, SC From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200304111744.h3BHiBCo003237@kaneda.boo.net> References: <200304111744.h3BHiBCo003237@kaneda.boo.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 11 Apr 2003 14:03:22 -0400 Message-Id: <1050084202.20717.577.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 I'd be interested to see the actual ordinance ... who decides what is "loud" and what the criteria is. If you had the time and money, it would probably be pretty easy to get it struck down unless it's clearly defined. Of course ... last time I looked, there's already a federal law on the books regarding noise with a clearly defined criteria (82db) ... but I guess instead of enforcing that, they decided they wanted their own ::sigh:: - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 14:07:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BI7Obm007925; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:07:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BI7O1R007921; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:07:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E97040E.DF4F050B@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:06:06 -0400 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Roach CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: loud bikes banned in Charleston, SC References: <200304111744.h3BHiBCo003237@kaneda.boo.net> <1050084202.20717.577.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Roach wrote: > > I'd be interested to see the actual ordinance ... who decides what is > "loud" and what the criteria is. If you had the time and money, it would > probably be pretty easy to get it struck down unless it's clearly > defined. > > Of course ... last time I looked, there's already a federal law on the > books regarding noise with a clearly defined criteria (82db) ... but I > guess instead of enforcing that, they decided they wanted their own > ::sigh:: > > - Roach When in doubt, pass more laws. oi. Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 14:21:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BILtbm010167; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:21:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BILrac010152; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:21:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Test Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:18:17 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <03109E3F.1D91D7F4.0C9D3659@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <03109E3F.1D91D7F4.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03041114181736.02809@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 11 April 2003 13:07, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > I choose "A". And that's my final answer. No, WAIT!! I mean "C". Or was > it "B"? That's it, my final answer is "D". :-) > Black black no tap back. You chose door B. Let's see what you've won. It's Officer O'Malley of the FBI, you're busted. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 15:01:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BJ1qbm012519; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:01:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BJ1ows012504; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:01:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030411190146.93105.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:01:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Test To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030411150107.61416.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: >.... Just testing. > > clearly a racist comment. i'm disgusted with what this > list has become. There we have it: incontrovertible evidence that "Tom Gimer" and "Coleman E. Howard" are one and the same person. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 15:12:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BJCsbm014733; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:12:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BJCsMS014726; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:12:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:24:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Test In-Reply-To: <03041114181736.02809@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > Black black no tap back. > > You chose door B. Let's see what you've won. > > It's Officer O'Malley of the FBI, you're busted. > > Carl I love that 'sketch', Carl :-) I heard 'Sister Mary Elephant' the other day on the XM Comedy channel. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 15:18:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BJIKbm016947; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:18:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BJIKbG016937; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:18:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E97149F.15E59B90@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:16:47 -0400 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Test References: <03109E3F.1D91D7F4.0C9D3659@aol.com> <03041114181736.02809@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > > On Friday 11 April 2003 13:07, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > I choose "A". And that's my final answer. No, WAIT!! I mean "C". Or was > > it "B"? That's it, my final answer is "D". :-) > > > > Black black no tap back. > > You chose door B. Let's see what you've won. > > It's Officer O'Malley of the FBI, you're busted. > > Carl Bob's not here, man. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 15:20:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BJKlbm019135; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:20:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BJKlpu019128; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:20:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: Test Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:17:05 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03041115170501.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 11 April 2003 15:24, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > > Black black no tap back. > > > > You chose door B. Let's see what you've won. > > > > It's Officer O'Malley of the FBI, you're busted. > > > > Carl > > I love that 'sketch', Carl :-) I heard 'Sister Mary Elephant' the other > day on the XM Comedy channel. > I've been ripping my CD collection and am just getting the comedy ones ripped. We just listened to "Here's Your Sign" and Denis Leary "No Cure For Cancer". I'm up to 5,600 tracks (about 19 Gig) but right now I'm building the album lists and I'm only up to 463 lists. Most of the rest of the albums are only a couple of tracks each. One of the 20 Gig iPod's and I'm on my way ;-) http://www.schelin.org/imgs/speakers.jpg for the computer system http://www.schelin.org/inventory/music.html for the music list, less current purchases. > -- Wayne Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 15:24:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BJODbm021319; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:24:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BJODm9021309; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:24:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Test Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:20:36 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <03109E3F.1D91D7F4.0C9D3659@aol.com> <03041114181736.02809@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3E97149F.15E59B90@tasam.com> In-Reply-To: <3E97149F.15E59B90@tasam.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03041115203602.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 11 April 2003 15:16, Skip wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > On Friday 11 April 2003 13:07, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I choose "A". And that's my final answer. No, WAIT!! I mean "C". Or > > > was it "B"? That's it, my final answer is "D". :-) > > > > Black black no tap back. > > > > You chose door B. Let's see what you've won. > > > > It's Officer O'Malley of the FBI, you're busted. > > > > Carl > > Bob's not here, man. No no, it's Dave, man. I'm Dave. Hi there groovy guys and groovy gals. Got a date tonight but got a zit in the middle of your forehead? Not one of those little ones but a big juicy one. The ones that look like a third eye? Well now try this new product. New Hicky Off Pimple Pads by Brillo, hey. Hicky Off doesn't work on the surface but rrrippss them out by the roots. And for those big moon sized craters there's new Hicky Off Plastic Filler. Comes with sandpaper and flesh tone paint for all the rough spots. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 15:32:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3BJWobm023556; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:32:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3BJWoIx023548; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:32:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6EBA@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Test Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:32:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Damn, I'm not the only one who bought that Pablo Cruise album, oh wait, I mean my wife bought it. Yea, that's right. Nice list, but dude, ditch that Shaun Cassidy record. http://www.schelin.org/inventory/music.html for the music list, less current purchases. > -- Wayne Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 20:48:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3C0mnbm000835; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:48:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3C0mk0Y000825; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:48:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:48:39 EDT Subject: Re: Carbs clean, now what? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/11/2003 1:08:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, brown@XXXXXX writes: > - You have Juice > - You have spark > - Starter turns > - Gas flows > - wruwruwruwruwruwru just won't catch? > > ?? > > Engine cut off switch problem? Side Stand switch problem? No way. If the cut off or sidestand switch was bad there would be no spark. _The_Carburetor_should_NOT_overflow_ no matter how long the bike cranks. The "cleaning" went wrong. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC The guy who coined the term "Safety First" is DEAD. Take the hint. Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 11 23:19:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3C3Jwbm006017; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 23:19:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3C3JvV7006007; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 23:19:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030412031940.93083.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:19:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: A well-written but sobering piece... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii KATO: THE DR COSTA VIEWPOINT The news updates on our site, rather than pieces of actual journalism, stem from a simple passion for motorcycling and a desire to communicate with its fans. Our site is no newspaper: it has no deadlines. No-one was able to give a real-time description of the inferno of Suzuka. All we could do was sadly state that a serious accident had happened, that the rider had been helicoptered to the hospital. We chose the telling image of Daijiro)B’s crash helmet, not so much because of its newsworthiness but more as a symbol of the protection that this item offers. Because, make no mistake about it, riders would have very little chance of surviving the direct impact of such high-speed incidents without it. The ambulance doors swing open to reveal Japanese rider Daijiro Kato laid out on a stretcher, being given artificial respiration by a Japanese doctor while his colleague performs heart massage. My hands move in to alleviate the tired hands of that Japanese doctor, who seems almost relieved at the arrival of this unexpected help. There is no pulse, and my hands sink into his chest again and again in an effort to convince that terribly still heart to start beating. More than a massage, it is a caress, soothing the riders)B’ seemingly lifeless body. After an endless few minutes Kato)B’s young heart starts functioning again, beating out the steady rhythm of life, yet a life marred by terrible suffering. The Japanese doctors, together with the Clinica Mobile)B’s resuscitation expert Dr Aronne Reverzani, complete this life-saving process, connecting up tubes and catheters and arranging the neck collar and mattress. Three of the most accomplished in-flight doctors are chosen to accompany Kato to the Yokkaichi hospital: one of them was the Clinica Mobile)B’s resuscitation doctor. Critically injured, the rider made it to the hospital alive. And it is here that my words now turn harsh, expressed coldly in that detached manner that plain scientific truth demands: deep coma, serious brain injuries with extensive haemorrhaging that worsens towards the base and the brain stem. Dislocation of the 1st and 2nd cervical vertebrae with fracturing of the 3rd and, consequently, devastating damage to the spinal chord. Numerous shoulder and upper limb fractures. Yet such an atrocious, cold diagnosis requires something non-scientific to counterbalance it, something exquisitely human: the irrational line of reasoning that promises us there is still hope even though the rider is in a deep coma. Yes, hope. That highest of sentiments cultivated with tears and love. And tears and love can )B– and do – inspire hope where there appears to be none at all. This morning, Daijiro Kato, despite his terrible injuries, improved a little, demonstrating that despite his miniscule physique, this Japanese rider has an inner strength that allows him to fight the impossible. Like Kato, I believe that all of us should hope for the impossible, because it is, ultimately, the only way in which things ever become possible. The morning of the race )B– when Daijiro Kato was already on the starting grid and Alex Barros was late joining the line-up on account of frenetic pre-race preparation that would let him mount his motorcycle, despite the injury to his left knee sustained during warm-up )B– a shiver of a thought ran through my mind. What is it that drives riders like Daijiro Kato and Barros to race on circuits like the one at Suzuka? Who is it that makes Melandri even think about racing on that hard asphalt just two days after it inflicted appalling injuries on him? There)B’s no rational answer because, I believe, the explanation resides in the purely irrational side of human nature. Where intellect and reason encroach on the world of sentiment, the resulting folly gives rise to the magical creature of the SOUL, that precious inner sense that allows us to see life as beautiful and good, acquitting it of every tragedy and rendering it innocent. When riders accelerate onto the race track they play a game of chess with death, doing so because they possess a soul )B– just like all those other motorcyclists who, whether on the race track or the road, ride their bikes in search of a better world, a world of infinite freedom. Mick Doohan and Alex Zanardi)B’s souls acquitted life of the horrors it had inflicted on them. The world, instead, has negotiated its soul and sold it in exchange for a horrendous mask painted with the colours of war. Daijiro Kato improved today. This does not mean he will live, but his soul will continue to tell us all that tragedy is innocent)B… In this moment all my pain and sorrow goes out to Kato - and I do not, in truth, have anything left to feel sorry about Suzuka. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 12 14:58:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3CIwHbm020005; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 14:58:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3CIwCkR019990; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 14:58:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030412145600.0114cb78@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 14:58:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Nail in tire Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Picked up a nail in the middle of my rear tire today. Slow leak. I searched the archives and found this recommended for a hole in the tire : http://www.stopngo.com/plugger.html I called a few dealerships and no one will patch it for me except Manassas Honda, and they want $96 labor. The tire is relatively new. Since this is the rear tire and in the middle of the tread, what do you think about these mushroom plugs? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 12 16:10:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3CKAUbm027160; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 16:10:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3CKATR6027150; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 16:10:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030412160649.02993ab0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 16:10:21 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Nail in tire In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030412145600.0114cb78@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:58 PM 4/12/2003, you wrote: >Picked up a nail in the middle of my rear tire today. Slow leak. > >I searched the archives and found this recommended for a hole in the >tire : > >http://www.stopngo.com/plugger.html > >I called a few dealerships and no one will patch it for me except >Manassas Honda, and they want $96 labor. The tire is relatively >new. Since this is the rear tire and in the middle of the tread, >what do you think about these mushroom plugs? Personally, I'd only use them for emergency use on the road. In fact, the text indicates the plugs are for temporary repairs. It sucks that the tire still has usable tread on it but if Manassas Honda was going to charge you $96 for labor, you may has well just buy a tire from them and do it right. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 12 16:12:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3CKCwbm029356; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 16:12:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3CKCvEG029349; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 16:12:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030412161255.0114d648@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 16:13:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: plugged Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I took the advice I received off-line and plugged the tire with a rope style plug. I already had the kit under my seat. Sealed the hole nicely and is holding air. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 12 17:35:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3CLZpbm004000; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:35:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3CLZmLk003985; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:35:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:34:59 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Nail in tire To: Aki Damme Cc: dc-cycles Message-id: <3E988683.C8E9B8F6@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030412160649.02993ab0@pop.east.cox.net> Aki Damme wrote: > Personally, I'd only use them for emergency use on the road. In > fact, the text indicates the plugs are for temporary repairs. Any plug in a tire is a temporary repair. Sometimes they'll only last another 15,000 miles or so before you have to discard the tire. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 12 17:41:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3CLfKbm006218; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:41:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3CLfKKS006206; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:41:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:40:50 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Nail in tire To: Aki Damme Cc: dc-cycles Message-id: <3E9887E2.3720581E@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030412160649.02993ab0@pop.east.cox.net> Aki Damme wrote: > > Personally, I'd only use them for emergency use on the road. In > fact, the text indicates the plugs are for temporary repairs. If you plug the tire, use up all the remaining tread, then remove the plug before tossing the tire in the landfill, does that qualify as a temporary repair? :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 12 18:26:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3CMQbbm008651; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:26:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3CMQY55008636; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:26:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030412222632.54735.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:26:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Nail in tire To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030412145600.0114cb78@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Troutman wrote: > Picked up a nail in the middle of my rear tire today. > Slow leak. >.... Since this is > the rear tire and in the middle of the tread, what do you > think about these mushroom plugs? If something -- say, a flying rock -- knocked a sizable hole in your helmet, would you trust a plug to repair it? Only you know how much your life is worth. On two wheels, I personally wouldn't ride a plugged or patched tire any further than absolutely necessary to get home or to a tire dealer, and that at slow speed. -- Larry -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 12 18:33:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3CMXObm010869; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:33:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3CMXOJ8010863; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:33:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030412182728.029a9d98@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:33:17 -0400 To: Dale Horstman From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Nail in tire Cc: dc-cycles In-Reply-To: <3E9887E2.3720581E@comcast.net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030412160649.02993ab0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:40 PM 4/12/2003, Dale Horstman wrote: >Aki Damme wrote: > > > > Personally, I'd only use them for emergency use on the road. In > > fact, the text indicates the plugs are for temporary repairs. > >If you plug the tire, use up all the remaining tread, then >remove the plug before tossing the tire in the landfill, does >that qualify as a temporary repair? :) > >Horkster heh heh...hey, obviously, you can do what you want. Personally, with only two tires touching the road, I'd opt to plunk down a hundred and get a new tire. It's all part of owning a bike. If you can't afford a new tire when you need one, (and like I said, I think a plugged tire is only a temporary repair and should be replaced), then you shouldn't own a bike IMHO. No personal attack here, it's just my preference. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 12 18:38:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3CMcFbm013087; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:38:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3CMcEiZ013077; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:38:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030412223812.56253.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:38:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Gorgeous day...callooh, callay! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Absolutely gorgeous day today. Rode around a bit, then stopped at PowerSlime Falls Church to sit on all the new bikes. The FZ1 still feels great. The V-Strom feels like a more massive (especially around the gas tank) variant of the FZ1. It's ober in their back row of nekkid bikes, with the 919, FZ1, and both 1200 Bandits. The SV-1000S has a much tighter leg position than I expected -- tighter than the CBR1100, Interceptor, and most everything else I sat on today. Very uncomfortable for me; too bad. They didn't have a non-S version on the floor. The Honda 954 looks absolutely terrific in its black and gunmetal grey combination. The Tuono feels like a great bike, but I hate the color scheme, particularly the brass-colored highlights and bar. No Tuono R, of course. They do have a tempting 2002 Futura in the black combo, at $2k off original price. Hmmm... No Silver Wing to fondle and sit on, either. No scoooter bigger than a 250 at all. Met a guy outside riding a new R6, in the black with red flames color that looks so great in their ads. It looks just as good in person. On the strange side, saw a *lot* of bikes on 66 and the Parkway, and didn't see a single one return my wave. Guess they're all rusty after the winter. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 12 20:33:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3D0XWbm026308; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:33:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3D0XTnk026293; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:33:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:45:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Nail in tire In-Reply-To: <20030412222632.54735.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 12 Apr 2003, Larry Larson wrote: > Only you know how much your life is worth. On two wheels, I > personally wouldn't ride a plugged or patched tire any > further than absolutely necessary to get home or to a tire > dealer, and that at slow speed. Has anyone on this list known anyone that has had a catostrophic tire failure due to a plug/patch? I hear Larry's argument all the time WRT plugging tires, but it sounds like an old wive's tale :-) I've plugged many tires and never had a plug fail. With that said, I replaced a rear tire on my 'Busa when I picked up a nail. :-) This one time at band camp... -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 12 20:36:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3D0albm028514; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:36:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3D0alu5028510; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:36:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030412192101.00b8a640@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 19:36:50 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Nail in tire In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030412182728.029a9d98@pop.east.cox.net> References: <3E9887E2.3720581E@comcast.net> <5.2.0.9.2.20030412160649.02993ab0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >If you can't afford a new tire when you need one, (and like I said, I >think a plugged tire is only a temporary repair and should be replaced), >then you shouldn't own a bike IMHO. Rubbish. One nail in the middle of the tire isn't going to compromise that much of the tire's structural integrity. I know many people who have ridden many miles with the described fix, (myself included), with no problems. YMMV, but I very much doubt that you'll encounter any major issues. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 12 21:04:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3D14Abm030832; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:04:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3D149EZ030825; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:04:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030412210310.00b37618@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:04:02 -0400 To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Nail in tire In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030412192101.00b8a640@mail.mac.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030412182728.029a9d98@pop.east.cox.net> <3E9887E2.3720581E@XXXXXX> <5.2.0.9.2.20030412160649.02993ab0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:36 PM 4/12/2003, Sean Jordan wrote: >>If you can't afford a new tire when you need one, (and like I said, >>I think a plugged tire is only a temporary repair and should be >>replaced), then you shouldn't own a bike IMHO. > > >Rubbish. One nail in the middle of the tire isn't going to >compromise that much of the tire's structural integrity. I know many >people who have ridden many miles with the described fix, (myself >included), with no problems. YMMV, but I very much doubt that you'll >encounter any major issues. > >-Sean Jordan > you may be right and like I said, maybe it's just me, but I'm not betting my life on it that I can easily fix for a hundred bucks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 12 21:41:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3D1fSbm000733; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:41:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3D1fSB5000723; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:41:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [209.70.39.112] X-Originating-Email: [perrycoleman@XXXXXX] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: 1996 Kawasaki ZL600 Eliminator Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:41:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2003 01:41:18.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7479790:01C3015D] Well, it's time to make a little room in the garage. So, we'd like to sell the Eliminator. It is a 1996, black with silver/black flames. It was bought for my wife, as a "leftover" in late 1997. I have added the Kawasaki windscreen, back rest and luggage rack. It also has a chrome license plate surround with LED running/brake light (fits MD tag). Otherwise it is stock, garage kept, adult owned, very good condition with just under 5,400 miles. There are few scuffs on the engine cases, left side from a gravel parking lot tipover, and right side from her boot laces during the MSF-ERC course. This is an excellent all-around bike, with a very low seat height. It is shaft-drive, with a nice 600cc 4-cylinder, liquid-cooled engine. It is very nice for a new rider, or any rider that has difficulty flat-footing other bikes. It has a relaxed, standard-type riding position. I'm looking to get $3,100 for the bike. 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Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 12 22:14:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3D2EGbm007658; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 22:14:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3D2EFpB007652; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 22:14:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030412220937.0114bb68@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 22:15:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Nail in tire In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030412210310.00b37618@pop.east.cox.net> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030412192101.00b8a640@mail.mac.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20030412182728.029a9d98@XXXXXX> <3E9887E2.3720581E@XXXXXX> <5.2.0.9.2.20030412160649.02993ab0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:04 PM 4/12/2003, Aki Damme wrote: >you may be right and like I said, maybe it's just me, but I'm not betting >my life on it that I can easily fix for a hundred bucks. I appreciate everyone's opinion. I understand both sides of the argument - and I believe the location of this plug is ideal for it to hold. Changing tires is a part of riding, but I don't consider it cheap to try and fix a new tire rather than wasting it. With only 900 miles, it would be a shame to toss it. I am curious about Wayne's argument. "Has anyone on this list known anyone that has had a catostrophic tire failure due to a plug/patch?" Well? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 01:11:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3D5BTbm012459; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 01:11:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3D5BShe012449; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 01:11:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 01:12:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Nail in tire To: wayne@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Has anyone on this list known anyone that has had a catastrophic tire failure due to a plug/patch?" [snip] Out of maybe 10 each of mushroom and string tire plugs over the years, I'm aware of one failure. This was a string-type plug. Otoh, I've seen plugged tires where the mushroom head tore off during insertion. My personal choice: I'll plug a rear leak, but not a front. Ymmv. --garcia "Remember: always pillage BEFORE you burn." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 07:17:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3DBHebm030900; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 07:17:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3DBHdcL030890; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 07:17:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 07:16:36 -0400 Subject: FS: 2 Car garage w/attached house near Potomac Mills/Woodbridge Message-ID: <20030413.071636.-164313.0.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-6,9-12,14-16 From: Tom Fitzpatrick All, Sorry for the Spam, but my motorcycles need a new home. 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Thanks, Tom Fitzpatrick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 08:55:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3DCt4bm005622; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 08:55:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3DCt3e0005612; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 08:55:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <95.2c643fa9.2bcab821@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 08:54:57 EDT Subject: Re: Nail in tire To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/12/2003 5:36:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > Sometimes they'll only > last another 15,000 miles or so before you have to discard the tire. That has been my experience. Over and over again#:-/ > John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 09:08:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3DD8dbm007881; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:08:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3DD8d6E007873; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:08:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <19a.135209ac.2bcabb48@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:08:24 EDT Subject: Re: Nail in tire To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/12/2003 8:33:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > I've plugged many tires and never had a plug fail. With that said, I > replaced a rear tire on my 'Busa when I picked up a nail. :-) Lawyers! The "temporary fix or you will die!" has more to do with lawyers then reality. The fact that people some of whom are incompetent will install a plug means it _could_ fail so to cover their asses tire companies express horror at plugs. Yes a plug could fail, I for one do not like the rope type but I have ridden thousands of miles under every condition and a wide range of speeds with plugged tires and have never had one fail. nor have I ever heard of a properly installed one failing. (and that includes 8 years as a motorcycle mechanic.) As I said a plug could still fail even if I install it, if you decide to run one do not sue me, it was your decision not mine. I am just relating my experiences not making a recommendation. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC The guy who coined the term "Safety First" is DEAD. Take the hint. Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 09:24:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3DDOqbm010161; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:24:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3DDOqKW010153; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:24:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E9964E6.AEB40C07@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:23:50 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nail in tire References: <95.2c643fa9.2bcab821@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 4/12/2003 5:36:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > horkster@XXXXXX writes: > > > Sometimes they'll only > > last another 15,000 miles or so before you have to discard the tire. > > That has been my experience. > > Over and over again#:-/ > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >From the MSF total safety pulpit, I will preach that one should seriously consider replacing a plugged tire. Using the "accept a degree of risk you feel comfortable with", replacing a plugged tire on my scoot would be a judgement call. My last holed tire was a no-brainer. I picked up a piece of an aluminum RV window frame in the rear tire, a hole so large Tabbaccy Chaw towing had to jam about 8 plug thingys in it to make it hold air. I motored a few miles to a shop and had the dang tire replaced. It had about 9K on it, maybe half expected life, but a wad of plugs as fat as my thumb was more risk than I was willing to accept. Over the years I've patched tubes - remember them? And I've run with a couple plugged tires, always the rear, and always tiny nail pokes that required sweating and grunting to jam one plug in it. I figured that sucker wasn't going anywhere and ran the tire until I could see air thru the remaining carcass. Now if I was a sport bikey type who routinely sucked down enough coffee to get me pumped and howled gleefully in my helmet as I pushed the bike thru the twistys with the Edge of Disastor meter reading 99%, the tires and everything else on the bike would have to be declared perfect. But I ride Harley bagger. Occassionaly I turn up the wick for brief passing runs, but the space on the speedo above 90 is almost virgin territory. So yes, I'd run a plugged rear tire for a spell. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 09:57:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3DDvMbm012500; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:57:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3DDvL5W012490; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:57:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:08:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Nail in tire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, garcia oliver wrote: > "Has anyone on this list known anyone that has had a catastrophic tire > failure due to a plug/patch?" [snip] > > Out of maybe 10 each of mushroom and string tire plugs over the years, I'm > aware of one failure. This was a string-type plug. Otoh, I've seen > plugged tires where the mushroom head tore off during insertion. Again, what was the nature of the failure? Was it that the plug slowly leaked air or was it a sudden loss of pressure while riding? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 10:22:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3DEMAbm014826; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:22:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3DEMA1N014816; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:22:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030413142202.58838.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 07:22:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Nail in tire To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19a.135209ac.2bcabb48@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the plug thread lives.... mike t. rides a sportbike and therefore it is likely the tire at issue is a high performance one. it would be idiotic to suggest that such a tire has not be compromised *somewhat* by the damage. but to what degree? we haven't even seen the damn thing! however slight the numbers are, the fact is that the product as now plugged is NOT the product as it rolled off the line. and, any person/entity in the chain of the transaction -- the tire designer, manufacturer, distributor, retailer, installer, etc. -- who would advise the end user to use the compromised product is playing with fire. because of this potential liability, there are standards in this country for consumer products..... a VERY good thing. are some of you really complaining about the u.s. system of product safety and liability? have i ridden thousands of miles on a plugged high-performance tire? yes. would it have been more appropriate to replace the tire immediately? of course, but i had just spent $120 on the goddamn thing! would i do it again? for me, it would depend on the damage and location thereof. mike, run the plugged tire if you're comfortable doing so. but remember that there IS a reason why that tire just loss almost all of its economic value as well as coverage under any warranty that might have applied. --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 4/12/2003 8:33:51 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > wayne@XXXXXX writes: > > > I've plugged many tires and never had a plug fail. > With that said, I > > replaced a rear tire on my 'Busa when I picked up a > nail. :-) > > Lawyers! The "temporary fix or you will die!" has more to > do with lawyers > then reality. The fact that people some of whom are > incompetent will install > a plug means it _could_ fail so to cover their asses tire > companies express > horror at plugs. > Yes a plug could fail, I for one do not like the rope > type but I have ridden > thousands of miles under every condition and a wide range > of speeds with > plugged tires and have never had one fail. nor have I > ever heard of a > properly installed one failing. (and that includes 8 > years as a motorcycle > mechanic.) > As I said a plug could still fail even if I install it, > if you decide to run > one do not sue me, it was your decision not mine. > I am just relating my experiences not making a > recommendation. > > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > The guy who coined the term "Safety First" is DEAD. > Take the hint. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 10:27:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3DER2bm017048; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:27:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3DER23H017041; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:27:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030413142659.92456.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 07:26:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: FS: 1996 Kawasaki ZL600 Eliminator To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I had that model as my first bike. Its a great motorcycle. I even road it cross-US/Canada one summer. 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Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 10:37:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3DEbPbm019304; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:37:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3DEbOlU019294; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:37:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E4932B@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Nail in tire Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:47:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Over the years I have been blessed with foreign intrusions in every type of vehicle tire, including MC tires. The key to plugging is identifying the size of the hole accurately and using the proper plug for the hole size. If you put the right size plug in the hole, it won't come out and will last the life of the tire. I suspect the plug failures that are found are due to the hole being too big for the plug. Of the plugs I've installed in holes they were made for, it's been a 100% success rate. It's all a judgment call on how safe you feel. Myself, I've used 2 plugs on a hole (still held air) and got it home and replaced the tire, and kept all my 1 plug fixes until the tire was all used up. The "temporary use only" statement is a CYA line from the lawyers for the company. Read the instructions for *anything* you buy and you'll laugh at the things they say. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, garcia oliver wrote: > "Has anyone on this list known anyone that has had a catastrophic tire > failure due to a plug/patch?" [snip] > > Out of maybe 10 each of mushroom and string tire plugs over the years, I'm > aware of one failure. This was a string-type plug. Otoh, I've seen > plugged tires where the mushroom head tore off during insertion. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 10:43:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3DEhLbm021530; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:43:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3DEhKbh021519; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:43:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00c901c301ca$d5ad93d0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: Subject: Re: Nail in tire Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:41:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ef8f4bcfeb998a609d8bffe8f67b762a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Wayne tries to dispel: > > "Has anyone on this list known anyone that has had a catastrophic tire > > failure due to a plug/patch?" [snip] > > > > Out of maybe 10 each of mushroom and string tire plugs over the years, I'm > > aware of one failure. This was a string-type plug. Otoh, I've seen > > plugged tires where the mushroom head tore off during insertion. > > Again, what was the nature of the failure? Was it that the plug slowly > leaked air or was it a sudden loss of pressure while riding? [Dave] No MC tires, but, I've had a single patch, and a single plug fail by slow leak. The patch was a company truck, which I had to take back to the same place, which refused to use plugs, saying 'they're unsafe'... riiiiight... Sure enough, the replacement failed too... I had one plug go bad in a cage tire, which was fixed by the place that put the original in, and it never again leaked... I've had an inordinate number of nails, but they only seem to affect my high performance tires.... or at least, disproportionately so... Let's see 1st, the Beretta GTZ - 5 - yes, 5 plugs in 4 gatorback tires. Impala - 1 plug & 1 tire with at tube. S10 4x4 - 2 plugs, and got one flat 4 wheeling... A large wood splinter broke the seal on the tire bead ;-). GT Mustang - 1 plug. Cobra - 2 plugs - This car, and the Beretta were driven in a performance oriented style ;-) All this since about ... 1990. In that time, my wife has found 2 nails, had 2 plugs.... On the bike, for peace of mind, I'd replace the tire... I think Gimer's rr.. he's ri....Oh, I just *can't* say it... ;-) YMMV Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 10:58:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3DEwVbm023786; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:58:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3DEwUNI023776; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:58:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 11:10:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Nail in tire In-Reply-To: <00c901c301ca$d5ad93d0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, Dave Yates wrote: > > Again, what was the nature of the failure? Was it that the plug slowly > > leaked air or was it a sudden loss of pressure while riding? > > On the bike, for peace of mind, I'd replace the tire... I think Gimer's > rr.. he's ri....Oh, I just *can't* say it... > ;-) hehe :-) As I said originally, I've replaced the tire in the past... I just don't know why I have replaced them. :-) It seems like with the vast motorcycle knowledge and riding experience that is represented on this list, if there was a situation out there where a plug failed while riding (more than just a slow leak) we'd hear about it. So I guess that answer is that we do it because it makes us feel better and nobody has any experience with real plug failures, other than some that developed slow leaks. I get so few miles out of my 'Busa rear tire that replacing it isn't too painful if it gets a nail ;-) I'm actually considering replacing it with something stickier with 1/2 it's life left. Yesterday while riding every time I hit it hard in 1st and 2nd, it would spin the tire up instead of lofting the wheel. The roads should have been reasonably clean with all the rain and the temps were in the 70s. Currently running a BT56 front/BT010 190/50 rear. Any thoughts on something stickier out back (I'll replace the front at the same time)? I'm not really concerned about tire life ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 11:28:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3DFSObm026132; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 11:28:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3DFSNwd026124; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 11:28:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00d901c301d1$2221f7f0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: Subject: Re: Nail in tire Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 11:27:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec799140f93a89ee4dc2cb16e08f6a41ca14350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > > On the bike, for peace of mind, I'd replace the tire... I think Gimer's > > rr.. he's ri....Oh, I just *can't* say it... > > ;-) > > hehe :-) > > As I said originally, I've replaced the tire in the past... I just don't > know why I have replaced them. :-) It seems like with the vast > motorcycle knowledge and riding experience that is represented on this > list, if there was a situation out there where a plug failed while riding > (more than just a slow leak) we'd hear about it. [Dave] There are guys here that have been riding since I was in diapers... I think some of them may have actually been around when wheels were made of wood ;-) . There probably is some originating basis for this... long before we were concerned with motorcycling.... > I get so few miles out of my 'Busa rear tire that replacing it isn't too > painful if it gets a nail ;-) I'm actually considering replacing it with > something stickier with 1/2 it's life left. [Dave] My 11 was pushing either high 150's or low 160's at the wheel last time I checked, which was a while back... I managed to get 4k miles out of the D204's years ago, they had plenty of tread, but even in summer heat, they had ZERO stick left. I'm currently on my 2nd set of D207's, and I've been very happy with them, but that's not to say that there aren't stickier street tires... and I certainly wouldn't mind more stick... traction is like money & firepower; There's no such thing as too much ;-) > Yesterday while riding every > time I hit it hard in 1st and 2nd, it would spin the tire up instead of > lofting the wheel. The roads should have been reasonably clean with all > the rain and the temps were in the 70s. > > Currently running a BT56 front/BT010 190/50 rear. Any thoughts on > something stickier out back (I'll replace the front at the same time)? > I'm not really concerned about tire life ;-) [Dave] My enemy is cold, but providing warm temps, rain will not deter me, so the tires have to have good rain profiles... I think SR or RRW did a tire write up a while back indicating several good DOT street tires "that would survive a track day or two" - I seem to recall a couple of stand outs, I think the Rennsport (sp?) may have been one... The question for us is, will those track Wunder tires that work great with bikes ~430# wet work with another 100# on top of that ??? Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 13:54:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3DHsBbm029065; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 13:54:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3DHsAMO029055; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 13:54:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 13:55:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Nail in tire To: wayne@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit String plug came out at highway speed, resulting in moderately fast loss of pressure. Rear tire, and I wasn't riding it. That's all I know. --garcia wayne@XXXXXX writes: >On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, garcia oliver wrote: > >> "Has anyone on this list known anyone that has had a catastrophic tire >> failure due to a plug/patch?" [snip] >> >> Out of maybe 10 each of mushroom and string tire plugs over the years, >I'm >> aware of one failure. This was a string-type plug. Otoh, I've seen >> plugged tires where the mushroom head tore off during insertion. > >Again, what was the nature of the failure? Was it that the plug slowly >leaked air or was it a sudden loss of pressure while riding? > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 13:54:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3DHsObm029094; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 13:54:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3DHsOXo029088; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 13:54:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 13:53:58 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Nail in tire To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3E99A436.C0B9F963@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030412192101.00b8a640@mail.mac.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20030412182728.029a9d98@XXXXXX> <3E9887E2.3720581E@XXXXXX> <5.2.0.9.2.20030412160649.02993ab0@XXXXXX> <5.2.0.9.0.20030412220937.0114bb68@XXXXXX> Troutman wrote: > I am curious about Wayne's argument. "Has anyone on this list known anyone > that has had a catostrophic tire failure due to a plug/patch?" Not known personally. But some LDrider out West (can't remember his name, Leon might recall, but he's out getting paid to ride for a couple weeks...) had a Bridgestone go flat on a sportbike (Ducati?), plugged it, proceeded to ride it really hard and really fast (you can evidently do that out West) and it shredded. Saw pictures of it in the back of a pickup truck. I don't know how much damage was caused after the tire blew and the rider got it slowed down and onto the shoulder, but the tire was a mess. But I consider that an extreme circumstance. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 16:19:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3DKJrbm001756; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:19:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3DKJld6001741; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:19:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001001c301fa$05deb8c0$6400a8c0@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: <00d901c301d1$2221f7f0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> Subject: Re: Nail in tire Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:19:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c2609f6c971ddbbcdc40f770ad70e3df05148350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > [Dave] There are guys here that have been riding since I was in diapers... > I think some of them may have actually been around when wheels were made of > wood ;-) . Yep - but nails in tires were a GOOD thing then... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 16:26:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3DKQebm004018; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:26:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3DKQedk004009; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:26:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030413202638.75309.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 13:26:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Nail in tire To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Sat, 12 Apr 2003, Larry Larson wrote: > > > Only you know how much your life is worth. On two > wheels, I > > personally wouldn't ride a plugged or patched tire any > > further than absolutely necessary to get home or to a > tire > > dealer, and that at slow speed. > > Has anyone on this list known anyone that has had a > catostrophic tire > failure due to a plug/patch? I hear Larry's argument all > the time WRT > plugging tires, but it sounds like an old wive's tale > :-) It's not an argument, Wayne, and there's no "tale" involved (unlike moto spoked wheels 8;) ) -- just a personal opinion. I have no horror story to relate. I won't drive a car with a patched or plugged tire on the front, either, and I won't drive a car at the track with a patched or plugged tire anywhere. But then I don't even carry a spare tire in my sports cars... 8;) To me, it's just good sense, unless your economics dictate otherwise. Actually, I would expect you, of all people on the list, with your high-performance inclinations in both cars and bikes, to agree. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 17:38:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3DLcwbm006540; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 17:38:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3DLcvoD006530; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 17:38:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 17:50:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Nail in tire In-Reply-To: <20030413202638.75309.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, Larry Larson wrote: > It's not an argument, Wayne, and there's no "tale" involved > (unlike moto spoked wheels 8;) ) -- just a personal > opinion. I have no horror story to relate. I won't drive a Oh sorry, yeah I didn't mean it to sound like it was an argument... wrong choice of words on my part. > car with a patched or plugged tire on the front, either, > and I won't drive a car at the track with a patched or > plugged tire anywhere. But then I don't even carry a spare > tire in my sports cars... 8;) Same here. I have 2 cars that come with little compressors and a plug kit :-) If I got a nail in one of them, I'd continue to drive on it if I were plugged. The other, a bit of a higher performance car ;-) , I'd replace the tire... front or back. > To me, it's just good sense, unless your economics dictate > otherwise. Actually, I would expect you, of all people on > the list, with your high-performance inclinations in both > cars and bikes, to agree. Oh I do agree, it's just that I'm not sure why :-) I have ditched tires in the past because of nails, I was just wondering if anyone had a good tale of gloom and doom to tell regarding a plugged tire. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 17:50:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3DLoMbm008807; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 17:50:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3DLoMcv008797; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 17:50:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030413214944.54440.qmail@web41204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 14:49:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Knapik Subject: O.T. Canoe for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry for the off-topic item folks. I mentioned that I was doing a garage sale in preparation for moving a few weeks ago. I managed to move just about everything I wanted to with the exception of my canoe. Reality tells me I've been asking too much for the boat so I'm giving it one final try. Old Town 14' "Kingfisher" green fiberglass in very good condition. $350 firm I'll throw in the paddles and an Old Town car top tie down package to go along with it. If you're interested, please e-mail me directly or call me at 301-869-2984. The canoe is located at 6 Lake Christopher Ct Rockville, MD 20855 Tom Knapik FXSTBI __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 19:09:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3DN9Cbm022825; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:09:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3DN9BkP022815; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:09:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E99EDEB.F943FBAF@tasam.com> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:08:27 -0400 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nail in tire References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Edelen wrote: > > On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, Larry Larson wrote: > > > It's not an argument, Wayne, and there's no "tale" involved > > (unlike moto spoked wheels 8;) ) -- just a personal > > opinion. I have no horror story to relate. I won't drive a > > Oh sorry, yeah I didn't mean it to sound like it was an argument... wrong > choice of words on my part. > > > car with a patched or plugged tire on the front, either, > > and I won't drive a car at the track with a patched or > > plugged tire anywhere. But then I don't even carry a spare > > tire in my sports cars... 8;) > > Same here. I have 2 cars that come with little compressors and a plug kit > :-) If I got a nail in one of them, I'd continue to drive on it if I were > plugged. The other, a bit of a higher performance car ;-) , I'd replace > the tire... front or back. > > > To me, it's just good sense, unless your economics dictate > > otherwise. Actually, I would expect you, of all people on > > the list, with your high-performance inclinations in both > > cars and bikes, to agree. > > Oh I do agree, it's just that I'm not sure why :-) I have ditched tires > in the past because of nails, I was just wondering if anyone had a good > tale of gloom and doom to tell regarding a plugged tire. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ As a factory trained former tire jockey, I feel I should chime in. the factories says: a plug/patch, applied from the inside, for a hole on larger than 3/16 of an inch, in between the outside tread blocks does NOT damage the integrity (or warranty) of the tire. any violation to the above and the warranty is void, and the tire has been 'seriously compromised' and should be replaced immediately. The guy who did it for a living says: patching it from the inside is best, but if you can get it to hold air, it's gonna be just fine. Rope plugs,l mushroom plugs, whatever. Ream it and jam a plug in it... NEXT! your mileage can vary significantly from mine, but I busted tires for 3 years, and I've patched and/or plugged hundreds of tires. Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 21:22:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3E1Msbm030359; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:22:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3E1MNDd027831; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:22:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <012001c3021a$bad607e0$8f8a5b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Sweet roam to Alabama Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:13:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 This in Friday's NYT "Escapes": Seems a luscious few days could be spent around an event trip to this new venue. Lengthy description of track, owner, his bike collection, and track designer. Parts below. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/11/automobiles/11RACE.html (free, signin may be required) [also www.barbermuseum.org, www.barbermotorsports.com] Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Will heat picnic dogs on headers Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. --------- "The Racers Are Sleek, But the Track is Sleeker" snip... On the edge of Birmingham, these blossoms form a particularly exotic backdrop to one of the city's newest and most ambitious attractions, a shiny new racetrack curving like a black ribbon dropped through 700 acres of forest. The 45-foot-wide track, part of the Barber Motorsports complex, rises and falls some 80 feet with the hilly landscape, and twists for nearly two and a half miles through 16 turns. It was built at a cost of $54 million by a real estate investor, George Barber, a 62-year-old Birmingham native who envisions it - along with an accompanying 140,000-square-foot museum that will house his collection of 800 vintage motorcycles - as a sort of massive theme park for the car-racing set. The Barber track will be host to its first public event on May 16, [a Porsche event] snip... Driving a visitor around the new track in a white van, Mr. Barber said, "I want this to be the Augusta National golf course of tracks." He pointed out the flowering trees and bushes that screen the track's guardrails, a reflection of the $2 million he spent on landscaping. While occasionally complaining about the housekeeping - "we have some sweeping to do," he said as he spotted some sand that had drifted onto the track - there was no denying the pride in his voice as he talked about his creation, which took three years to build. "We're in the European tradition of road racing," Mr. Barber said. The course is designed so that most of it is visible from several points. A high, hilly area for recreational vehicles that Mr. Barber calls "the balcony" offers a view of 70 to 80 percent of the track. "We don't have grandstands," he said. "We want people to be able to find a shady spot and picnic." That is just what Alan Wilson, the track's designer, had in mind. "Barber opens with instant tradition," he said. "It is not Indy car, Nascar or Formula One. It is more the British garden party sort of atmosphere." [lengthy discussion of top track designer Wilson, who has a (not specified) website] Two months ago, Mr. Barber invited Aaron Yates, the reigning American Motorcyclist Association champion, to test his track. After Mr. Yates pointed out a bump here, a dip there, Mr. Barber ordered the track repaved at a cost of more than $500,000. [more on the motorcycle museum aspects] -------end From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 13 21:39:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3E1d6bm006636; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:39:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3E1d6BF006626; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:39:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <012701c3021d$0de31980$8f8a5b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: V-Strom Demo Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:30:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Demo'ed a V-Strom last week. Impressive, like print/net comments. (Plus it has optional centerstand!) Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > It's not my ride you love, its my centerstand Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ***** From: Larry Larson pltrgyst@XXXXXX Absolutely gorgeous day today. Rode around a bit, then stopped at PowerSlime Falls Church to sit on all the new bikes. The FZ1 still feels great. The V-Strom feels like a more massive (especially around the gas tank) variant of the FZ1. It's ober in their back row of nekkid bikes, with the 919, FZ1, and both 1200 Bandits. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 14 05:47:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3E9lxbm016025; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 05:47:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3E9lwr5016018; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 05:47:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: Nail in tire Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 05:44:19 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <00d901c301d1$2221f7f0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> In-Reply-To: <00d901c301d1$2221f7f0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03041405441906.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sunday 13 April 2003 11:27, Dave Yates wrote: > > I get so few miles out of my 'Busa rear tire that replacing it isn't too > > painful if it gets a nail ;-) I'm actually considering replacing it > > with something stickier with 1/2 it's life left. > > [Dave] My 11 was pushing either high 150's or low 160's at the wheel last > time I checked, which was a while back... I managed to get 4k miles out of > the D204's years ago, they had plenty of tread, but even in summer heat, > they had ZERO stick left. I'm currently on my 2nd set of D207's, and I've > been very happy with them, but that's not to say that there aren't stickier > street tires... and I certainly wouldn't mind more stick... traction is > like money & firepower; There's no such thing as too much ;-) > Just hit 10k and are on the same tires. I'll have to really examine them though. While braking in a turn approaching a light yesterday I felt a little slide (1" or so). I was coming in a bit faster than usual and there were 6 cars at the light so the braking was a _little_ more agressive than usual. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 14 07:04:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3EB4gbm022849; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:04:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3EB4g9c022839; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:04:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: For Sale Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:03:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Don't be hatin'....this is not spam. In case the question comes up as to why I'm selling... I'm moving to a place which isn't even close to a BMW dealer and the one that could support it (200 miles away) is not that well thought of, not that I use one much, but the support is nice when you need it. So without further adieu: Motorcycle For Sale -1978 BMW R80/7s - (798cc, BMW series 7 ) Classic Black with blue pin stripes, turn key, runs great, 52mpg, 32k original miles - June inspection and tune up. Garage kept, Dyna electronic ignition, new shocks, new gel battery, tank bag, Corbin seat, original seat and rail plus a Reynolds passenger backrest and other goodies. Haynes manual, small original mostly complete BMW tool kit. Photos available upon request, can email. Contact George Bruhl 703.330.3620 It's in nice shape $2700. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 14 08:07:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3EC7Pbm032147; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:07:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3EC7OSm032137; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:07:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <31.37124697.2bcbfe73@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:07:15 EDT Subject: Re: Nail in tire To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/13/2003 10:22:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > are some of you really > complaining about the u.s. system of product safety and > liability? Yes. Because there is no system, just jackpot justice. Anything goes wrong SUE and get rich. So the manufacturers are forced to cover their asses by going to ridiculous lengths to protect themselves. This absurdity impacts every facet of our lives, what we can or cannot do is often based more on liability then practical safety matters. Example: Bell helmet was once sued by someone injured in an accident. The fact that the guy was not even wearing a helmet did not stop his lawyer from going after the "deep pockets" of Bell costing Bell huge amounts of money to defend themselves against this bullshit. Many of the best (innovative and as a result different and easy to attack) helmets are not available here and as far as I know there are still no helmets manufactured here in this country (I could be wrong, it was true) because of liability. And then there was the woman who sued because she lost her psychic powers in a car crash, and won! Bullshit! Just like there are decent ethical cops trying to do their job who are undermined by bad cops there are decent ethical lawyers trying to help people with problems but there are far too many bad ones trying to create their own business by suing anyone for anything and THOSE bastards hurt every single one of us. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 14 08:11:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3ECBEbm006263; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:11:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3ECBEga006257; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:11:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <136.1d7fdf16.2bcbff58@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:11:04 EDT Subject: Re: Nail in tire To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/13/2003 11:28:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Dave@XXXXXX writes: > I think some of them may have actually been around when wheels were made of > wood ;-) I remember waiting for the tree to get big enough.... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 14 08:28:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3ECSlbm012880; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:28:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3ECSlW8012870; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:28:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT? For Sale Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:25:11 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0304140825110B.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well if someone can sell a motorcycle storage shed surround by a house I can post a note about sale items. Anyway, this weekend starts a garage sale per weekend until the 1st of June or until it's all gone at our house. We're putting the house on the market the first week of June and I have no intention of dragging any frigging furniture to the new place, where ever that may be. In addition, we're finding all kinds of wacky junk that's just begging to be relocated. Of prime interest here would likely be bookcases. I built two kinds of book cases; Magazine shelves, 2' wide by 1' deep by ~7' high. I have 4 of them. They've held the clay based magazines for several years with no sign of bending so they should hold up all of those Easyriders or Cycles magazines with no problems. The second book case type is paperback books. I built one set of cases and my dad built the second set. Mine is about 7' wide by 7' high. The other set is about 6' wide by 7' high. The shelves are a perfect fit for paperback books or video cassetes (come to think of it, it'd probably fit DVD's as well). They'd be a great fit for all the Zen and The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance or the "Welcome to The Family" Harley video tapes. Of course there are probably another 10 bookcases about half of which are the cheap particle board ones. I also made a nice porch swing and CD/DVD rack (holds over 600 CDs and 200+ DVD's). Prices are fairly reasonable; probably $50 or so for each item. The swing and CD rack are probably going to be higher since I did a much better job on them :-) There are other items of furniture that are going as well. Ping me for directions if you're interested. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 14 08:58:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3ECwibm022280; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:58:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3ECwiCg022270; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:58:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200304141258.AED87284@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:58:41 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Nail in tire To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gimer Scoffed: >> are some of you really >> complaining about the u.s. system of product safety and >> liability? John called the bluff: >Yes. >Because there is no system, just jackpot justice. Anything goes wrong SUE and >get rich. [Dave] Maybe we should use that here on the list ! Just think, the next nit wit with bad braking advice could find her/herself on the wrong side of a class action suit, making the rest of us rich :-) Mark, confess ! after the 1st sentence, you thought I was targeting you, didn't you ;-) > So the manufacturers are forced to cover their asses by > going to ridiculous lengths to protect themselves. This > absurdity impacts every facet of our lives, what we can or > cannot do is often based more on liability then > practical safety matters. [Dave] I don't even know if "Loser pays" would work to deter some of the silliness going on. But I think it would be a start. I think we should start "Loser Pays" with traffic infractions - Loser pays the court costs. State loses, the one that brings the charges pays.... > >Example: Bell helmet was once sued by someone injured in an >accident. The fact that the guy was not even wearing a >helmet did not stop his lawyer from >going after the "deep pockets" of Bell costing Bell huge >amounts of money to defend themselves against this bullshit. [Dave] HOW did this make it out of the 1st round (why wasn't it dismissed ?) ? >Just like there are decent ethical cops trying to do their >job who are undermined by bad cops there are decent ethical >lawyers trying to help people with problems but there are >far too many bad ones trying to create their own >business by suing anyone for anything and THOSE bastards >hurt every single one of us. [Dave] I think it's a bit more complex than that. Still, the axiom - "one bad apple" does apply, albeit on a far more grand scale. :-/ Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 14 09:58:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3EDwwbm029098; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:58:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3EDwv0a029088; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:58:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030414135850.71922.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 06:58:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Nail in tire To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <31.37124697.2bcbfe73@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii yeah, and the sky is falling too. the system does a fine job of weeding out bullshit cases, as it should. blame the american people -- the 6-12 folks in the box -- for awarding damages in those borderline/suspect/laughable cases which somehow got past the summary judgment stage. manufacturers that produce substandard products that hurt/kill people SHOULD be worried about liability. you seem to be suggesting that this is a negative. one last thing.... i never heard of the bell case, but if what you say is true, who do you think paid bell's legal bills? not bell. --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 4/13/2003 10:22:27 AM Eastern Daylight > Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > are some of you really > > complaining about the u.s. system of product safety > and > > liability? > > Yes. > Because there is no system, just jackpot justice. > Anything goes wrong SUE and > get rich. So the manufacturers are forced to cover their > asses by going to > ridiculous lengths to protect themselves. This absurdity > impacts every facet > of our lives, what we can or cannot do is often based > more on liability then > practical safety matters. > > Example: Bell helmet was once sued by someone injured in > an accident. The > fact that the guy was not even wearing a helmet did not > stop his lawyer from > going after the "deep pockets" of Bell costing Bell huge > amounts of money to > defend themselves against this bullshit. Many of the best > (innovative and as > a result different and easy to attack) helmets are not > available here and as > far as I know there are still no helmets manufactured > here in this country (I > could be wrong, it was true) because of liability. > And then there was the woman who sued because she lost > her psychic powers in > a car crash, and won! > Bullshit! > > Just like there are decent ethical cops trying to do > their job who are > undermined by bad cops there are decent ethical lawyers > trying to help people > with problems but there are far too many bad ones trying > to create their own > business by suing anyone for anything and THOSE bastards > hurt every single > one of us. > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 14 11:03:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3EF3Cbm003687; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:03:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3EF3BwE003677; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:03:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:04:29 -0400 Subject: mc maintenance/repair class To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi... I'm thinking about teaching a motorcycle basic maintenance/repair class again. Six weeks, seven student maximum, Monday nights (probably), Mt Pleasant DC, 8-10 pm, $40. Some hands-on parts disassembly. Let me know if you might be interested and/or have questions. --garcia )B“A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)B” Edward Abbey From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 14 12:27:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3EGRNbm011047; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:27:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3EGRM3c011037; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:27:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: M St Parking Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:15:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2003 16:15:48.0931 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C996130:01C302A1] Where's everyone that used to park at M & 18th parking nowadays? Damn its annoying how they only tell you a week at a time that there's no parking. They threw up a sign over on Jefferson so bikes couldn't block the dumpster there, limiting that spot. I'm down at G & 18th today. Work at 17th & L. In addition to 1700 M St, I'd say 1800 H and 1800 I parking from the list don't exist. Thanks, Rich 94 Seca II (FS) 02 SVS _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 14 13:29:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3EHTXbm018244; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:29:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3EHTWEu018234; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:29:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14515990@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'mike@XXXXXX'" Subject: Nail in tire Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:31:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Troutman "I called a few dealerships and no one will patch it for me except Manassas Honda, and they want $96 labor. " Many good answers except no one offered "Pop the tire off and put in a reverse mushroom plug. (~$4 at Auto Zone)" Sheese $96! Does that include flowers and a phone call the next day? Don't change your own tires? Offer a case of micro brew and someone with a Harbor Freight Tire Changer will step forward and help. Some may even do it for budbudlightmillermillerlite. Tall Carl baited me with fame, pizza, and Coronas to change his tires (But we had hep). Horkster "Any plug in a tire is a temporary repair. Sometimes they'll only last another 15,000 miles or so before you have to discard the tire." Dayum, I've never gotten more than another 12,000 miles outta one. Wayne Edelen: "I've plugged many tires and never had a plug fail. " I had one rope style that just wouldn't stay sealed. Finally popped the tire and put in one'a those reverse mushroom plugs. It held all the way to the wear bars ('n maybe afterwards). Carl in Bethesda. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 14 13:37:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3EHbsbm024788; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:37:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3EHbmnE024753; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:37:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030414133600.021bcd60@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:37:40 -0400 To: "'DCCycles'" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Nail in tire In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14515990@dchqclexhq.fsis.u sda.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Nope. I may go in on a tire changer with my brother in law this summer. Manassas Honda also charges a foreign tire fee if you mail order and carry in. I'll probably go to MFI or the Manassas Suzuki shop from now on. My rope plug is holding nicely. Beautiful day to ride today. At 01:31 PM 4/14/2003, Custer, Carl wrote: >Many good answers except no one offered "Pop the tire off and put in a >reverse mushroom plug. (~$4 at Auto Zone)" >Sheese $96! >Does that include flowers and a phone call the next day? >Don't change your own tires? Offer a case of micro brew and someone with a >Harbor Freight Tire Changer will step forward and help. Some may even do it >for budbudlightmillermillerlite. >Tall Carl baited me with fame, pizza, and Coronas to change his tires (But >we had hep). ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 14 23:28:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3F3SNbm007234; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:28:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3F3SJXb007222; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:28:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E9BB4A2.ABD59AFE@carlparker.com> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 03:28:34 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Dyno shop...for those who care... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Grizzly Dudes and Dudettes, As I'm getting acquainted with Fairfax Cycles again I found that they will do dyno pulls for 35 bucks. 3 pulls and you get HP, torque, _plus _AFM for those of you who have a creeping suspicion that you're running too rich or lean. FWIW, Carl who is also "Tall Carl" and hasn't met the other other Carl yet. :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 07:45:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FBjdbm018462; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 07:45:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FBjbtK018452; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 07:45:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaaDbbl8KQkoGjeeelUfhJFXVq9g5+rzR9QpphLOleEvqwWhKS5pmKbI5XOoumKNII= From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Carl Parker'" , Subject: RE: Dyno shop...for those who care... Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 07:45:32 -0400 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E244F@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B831156F7@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Importance: Normal When? (i.e. is this on a speshul day or is this anytime) Thx. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Carl Parker [mailto:carl@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 2:29 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dyno shop...for those who care... Hey Grizzly Dudes and Dudettes, As I'm getting acquainted with Fairfax Cycles again I found that they will do dyno pulls for 35 bucks. 3 pulls and you get HP, torque, _plus _AFM for those of you who have a creeping suspicion that you're running too rich or lean. FWIW, Carl who is also "Tall Carl" and hasn't met the other other Carl yet. :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 09:43:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FDhTbm023430; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:43:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FDhT49023420; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:43:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030415134311.78377.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 06:43:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Motos don't pay London congestion fee To: garcia oliver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The link is to a NYT article discussing London's new congestion fee ($7.75 every time a 4 wheeled vehicle enters downtown London during business hours; 2 wheelers pay nothing). Too bad they can't adopt this in DC. jib http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/15/international/europe/15LOND.html?8hpib __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 10:07:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FE7Kbm030498; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:07:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FE7KsB030487; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:07:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200304151407.AEG18900@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:07:13 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Motos don't pay London congestion fee To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >The link is to a NYT article discussing London's new >congestion fee ($7.75 every time a 4 wheeled vehicle >enters downtown London during business hours; 2 >wheelers pay nothing). Too bad they can't adopt this >in DC. jib >http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/15/international/europe/15LOND .html?8hpib [Dave] DC's congestion fee is assessed via photo radar. Since the picture will include the rider enclosed in a suit, boots, gloves and helmet there will be no way that you would be able to know for certain if it was you on that bike or someone else... Correspondingly, you would have to swear that it wasn't you ! So in that aspect, DC exempts 2 wheelers from it's commuter tax too ! Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 10:11:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FEBlbm002502; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:11:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FEBliB002496; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:11:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E9C111D.85147DA7@carlparker.com> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:03:09 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon Strang CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dyno shop...for those who care... References: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E244F@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any time dude. I'd call them and ask to be sure. My guess is all you'd have to do is make a casual appointment with them over the phone. Went to go drop off some rims/tires for a friend and the dude (Casey) didn't even write up a tick. Give em a ring though...you can find their number in online directories. They're up Spring street off Rt.50 all the way to the back, second left driveway and they're on your right. -Carl who is not any other Carl than the one he is right now Jon Strang wrote: > When? (i.e. is this on a speshul day or is this anytime) > > Thx. > > --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 10:22:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FEM5bm006960; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:22:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FEM4xb006952; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:22:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000c01c3035a$6143f750$6400a8c0@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: <20030415134311.78377.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Videos Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:21:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c260946e0006dbce8cb24201f9ce078b31a8b667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Neat videos - broadband and/or patience recommended http://www.roadmc.com/default.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 10:50:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FEoJbm014049; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:50:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FEoGmK014033; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:50:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E9C1C00.547575C2@umuc.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:49:36 -0400 From: "David Wakefield" Organization: University of Maryland University College X-Sender: "David Wakefield" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD {UMUC/CCKUS} (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: HD repair recommendations. . . References: <200304151407.AEG18900@ms2.verisignmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My dad, Dave Sr., passed away several years ago, and his estate just recently got out of probate. My mom now wants to have his '81 FLT Tourglide put back together (basket case currently), and I was wondering if anyone on the list could recommend a decent mechanic that could help. I had some work done a few years ago by a fellow with the PG Chapter of ABATE (Gene's Cycle Repair), but I lost his contact information. Any information on local HD repair is appreciated. Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 11:19:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FFJAbm021143; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:19:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FFJ9hw021138; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:19:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:18:44 EDT Subject: Re: Motos don't pay London congestion fee To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/15/2003 10:09:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Dave@XXXXXX writes: > [Dave] DC's congestion fee is assessed via photo radar. > Since the picture will include the rider enclosed in a suit, > boots, gloves and helmet there will be no way that you would > be able to know for certain if it was you on that bike or > someone else... > > So in that aspect, DC exempts 2 wheelers from it's commuter > tax too ! > The hell they do! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 11:24:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FFOcbm025581; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:24:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FFOcw5025574; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:24:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030415152420.69951.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:24:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Moto-ing in Italy? To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone have experience renting a bike in Italy, specifically the Amalfi drive? All I can find at this point are Vespa 125s or Honda 150s (scooters). Probably fun but would love a day on a bigger bike. Thanks ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 11:41:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FFflbm032648; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:41:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FFflHD032640; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:41:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E4933F@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Moto-ing in Italy? Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:52:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain I'm looking for a place to rent a bike in Pisa or Lucca too, so if anyone has any leads, let us know. Thanks, Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [SMTP:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 11:24 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Moto-ing in Italy? > > Does anyone have experience renting a bike in Italy, > specifically the Amalfi drive? All I can find at this > point are Vespa 125s or Honda 150s (scooters). > Probably fun but would love a day on a bigger bike. > > Thanks > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 12:38:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FGcebm005155; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:38:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FGcdg0005145; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:38:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002b01c3036d$75f847b0$6400a8c0@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030415152420.69951.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Moto-ing in Italy? Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:38:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c26099254d8d8c51d549144602e1821124195350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > Does anyone have experience renting a bike in Italy, > specifically the Amalfi drive? All I can find at this > point are Vespa 125s or Honda 150s (scooters). > Probably fun but would love a day on a bigger bike. Mark - Most of the places that I find are based in Milano. Mototouring (http://www.mototouring.com/) advertises a Rome location - an article in a recent Rider magazine about an Isle of Man tour looks like they got their bikes from Mototouring (the bikes on the tour match up pretty well to their (Mototouring's) inventory. The article's author panned the general conditions of the bikes and said that one of them shoudn't have been rented. I have rented from BiancoBlu (www.biancoblu.com) with great results (and am picking up three bikes from them in June). That said - Milano to Napoli is almost 500 miles, whereas Roma to Napoli is about 150 miles. Good luck Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 12:40:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FGerbm009599; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:40:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FGerK8009594; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:40:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003201c3036d$c5a99610$6400a8c0@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: "DC Cycles" References: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E4933F@SERVER2> Subject: Re: Moto-ing in Italy? Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:40:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c26099254d8d8c51d5491a8c00a477e22d841350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > I'm looking for a place to rent a bike in Pisa or Lucca too, so if anyone > has any leads, let us know. Mike - www.biancoblu.com - based in Milano (about 150 miles north of Pisa). They did very well for me last year, and if you aren't going until later in the year, I'll let you know how they do for me this year (I'm picking up 3 bikes for two weeks in June). Cheers Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 12:41:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FGfhbm009657; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:41:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FGfgvR009653; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:41:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030415164140.10134.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:41:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Moto-ing in Italy? To: Michael Jordan , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <002b01c3036d$75f847b0$6400a8c0@michael> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks. Since its a honeymoon and not a moto-specific trip I am looking for a day or two rental. I will probably go with the Vespa. Some of the craziest riding of my life was on a vespa in rome. Controlled chaos. --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > Does anyone have experience renting a bike in > Italy, > > specifically the Amalfi drive? All I can find at > this > > point are Vespa 125s or Honda 150s (scooters). > > Probably fun but would love a day on a bigger > bike. > > Mark - Most of the places that I find are based in > Milano. > > Mototouring (http://www.mototouring.com/) advertises > a Rome location - an > article in a recent Rider magazine about an Isle of > Man tour looks like they > got their bikes from Mototouring (the bikes on the > tour match up pretty well > to their (Mototouring's) inventory. The article's > author panned the general > conditions of the bikes and said that one of them > shoudn't have been rented. > > I have rented from BiancoBlu (www.biancoblu.com) > with great results (and am > picking up three bikes from them in June). > > That said - Milano to Napoli is almost 500 miles, > whereas Roma to Napoli is > about 150 miles. > > Good luck > > Michael J. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 13:21:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FHLgbm018730; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:21:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FHLgKh018722; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:21:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030415172134.78454.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:21:34 -0700 (PDT) From: David Fruehwald Subject: Bike in the shop :-( To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Had to finally relent and put the ole ZR-7 in the shop for its safety inscpection and miscellaneous electric gremlins I didn't get sorted out over winter, after my spill last October. :-( While its there (Crossroads Cycles) I'm have some progressive springs installed also, just kinda dumped my to do list on them while its in the shop. :-) I just dropped it off this morning and I'm already suffering withdrawl symptoms. Maybe I'll use this as an opportunity to go check out the new Kawasaki Z1000. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 13:51:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FHpfbm025912; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:51:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FHper0025902; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:51:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000901c30377$8c417f00$4f7d5c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: London and eyedrops Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:50:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 A pretty good, lengthy, 2-month update on the London car charge affair -- $7.75 to drive in citycenter -- in the NYT today. (Page A4 if want a quick newstand read.) Effects on scooter and mc traffic featured. Summary: It seems to be relieving congestion, moderately speeding up traffic. "Coming in (Toll Free) on 2 Wheels and Prayer" http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/15/international/europe/15LOND.html (free but may require signin) RE eyecare. In an eyecheck today, the doctor said for MC wind irritation Teratears or Systane (sp? prescription writing) preferred over Visine because V.. constricts blood vessels to rid of red. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Hmmm. I see. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 14:01:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FI1Ubm000509; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:01:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FI1UkM000503; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:01:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike in the shop :-( Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:57:52 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030415172134.78454.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030415172134.78454.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03041513575219.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Since it's supposed to rain I'm dropping mine off for the 10k check on Thursday. Carl On Tuesday 15 April 2003 13:21, David Fruehwald wrote: > Had to finally relent and put the ole ZR-7 in the shop > for its safety inscpection and miscellaneous electric > gremlins I didn't get sorted out over winter, after my > spill last October. :-( > > While its there (Crossroads Cycles) I'm have some > progressive springs installed also, just kinda dumped > my to do list on them while its in the shop. :-) > > I just dropped it off this morning and I'm already > suffering withdrawl symptoms. Maybe I'll use this as > an opportunity to go check out the new Kawasaki Z1000. -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 14:02:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FI2vbm000569; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:02:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FI2vOr000563; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:02:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: London and eyedrops Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:59:20 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <000901c30377$8c417f00$4f7d5c0c@micron> In-Reply-To: <000901c30377$8c417f00$4f7d5c0c@micron> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0304151359201A.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 15 April 2003 13:50, Mobacc wrote: > A pretty good, lengthy, 2-month update on the London car charge affair -- > $7.75 to drive in citycenter -- in the NYT today. (Page A4 if want a quick > newstand read.) Effects on scooter and mc traffic featured. Summary: It > seems to be relieving congestion, moderately speeding up traffic. > > "Coming in (Toll Free) on 2 Wheels and Prayer" > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/15/international/europe/15LOND.html > (free but may require signin) > In order to prevent logging in each time, you can change "www" with "archive" and read the article. I do have an account but can never remember the password. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 14:16:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FIG7bm009551; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:16:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FIG79k009541; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:16:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E9C4C12.9F086F63@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:14:42 -0400 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: London and eyedrops References: <000901c30377$8c417f00$4f7d5c0c@micron> <0304151359201A.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On Tuesday 15 April 2003 13:50, Mobacc wrote: > > A pretty good, lengthy, 2-month update on the London car charge affair -- > > $7.75 to drive in citycenter -- in the NYT today. (Page A4 if want a quick > > newstand read.) Effects on scooter and mc traffic featured. Summary: It > > seems to be relieving congestion, moderately speeding up traffic. > > > > "Coming in (Toll Free) on 2 Wheels and Prayer" > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/15/international/europe/15LOND.html > > (free but may require signin) from the article: Beginners, and some experienced riders, Mr. Collins said, tend to fall into three traps: They are hit by traffic turning across their path; they lose control on wet or greasy roads; or they disobey traffic laws and get into trouble, say, riding the wrong way on one-way streets. Just in the single square mile of the City of London the number of motorcycle casualties is about 125 a year, Mr. Collins said. that seems to be a pretty high fatality rate. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 14:25:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FIPcbm014059; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:25:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FIPcEA014049; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:25:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E49342@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'Skip'" Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: London Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:36:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Have you ridden there? That seems like a low fatality rate. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip [SMTP:skip@XXXXXX] > > > > "Coming in (Toll Free) on 2 Wheels and Prayer" > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/15/international/europe/15LOND.html > > > (free but may require signin) > > from the article: > > Beginners, and some experienced riders, Mr. Collins said, tend to fall > into three traps: They are hit by traffic turning across their path; > they lose control on wet or greasy roads; or they disobey traffic laws > and get into trouble, say, riding the wrong way on one-way streets. > > Just in the single square mile of the City of London the number of > motorcycle casualties is about 125 a year, Mr. Collins said. > > > > that seems to be a pretty high fatality rate. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 14:26:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FIQkbm014111; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:26:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FIQkQ7014103; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:26:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030415182644.86539.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:26:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Rob Curtis Alive & Well To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If anyone was wondering how Rob was, he's now in Baghdad and seems to be doing okay... :^) http://www.svrider.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=7585 (FYI: He was sent to Iraq several weeks ago by the Army Times. He's a photographer for that publication) Cheers, Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 14:31:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FIVlbm023385; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:31:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FIVlxb023377; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:31:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030415183143.18695.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:31:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: London To: Michael Lynch , "'Skip'" Cc: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E49342@SERVER2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- > > that seems to be a pretty high fatality rate. --- > Have you ridden there? That seems like a low > fatality rate. --- Guys, guys, that's the CASUALTY rate. That doesn't mean FATALITY rate. It includes simple injuries. See the quote below. --- > > Just in the single square mile of the City of > London the number of > > motorcycle casualties is about 125 a year, Mr. > Collins said. --- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 14:37:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FIb7bm030151; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:37:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FIb7Vl030143; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:37:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E9C50FB.E2A924E5@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:35:39 -0400 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Lynch CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: London References: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E49342@SERVER2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit only been there once, for a day or so... Michael Lynch wrote: > > Have you ridden there? That seems like a low fatality rate. > > Mike > 96 VFR > 88 Hawk > 76 CB400F > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Skip [SMTP:skip@XXXXXX] > > > > > > "Coming in (Toll Free) on 2 Wheels and Prayer" > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/15/international/europe/15LOND.html > > > > (free but may require signin) > > > > from the article: > > > > Beginners, and some experienced riders, Mr. Collins said, tend to fall > > into three traps: They are hit by traffic turning across their path; > > they lose control on wet or greasy roads; or they disobey traffic laws > > and get into trouble, say, riding the wrong way on one-way streets. > > > > Just in the single square mile of the City of London the number of > > motorcycle casualties is about 125 a year, Mr. Collins said. > > > > > > > > that seems to be a pretty high fatality rate. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 14:38:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FIcNbm030206; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:38:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FIcNZj030199; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:38:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E9C5146.B963903C@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:36:54 -0400 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Weaver CC: Michael Lynch , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: London References: <20030415183143.18695.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Weaver wrote: > > --- > > > that seems to be a pretty high fatality rate. > --- > > Have you ridden there? That seems like a low > > fatality rate. > --- > > Guys, guys, that's the CASUALTY rate. That doesn't > mean FATALITY rate. It includes simple injuries. See > the quote below. > > --- > > > Just in the single square mile of the City of > > London the number of > > > motorcycle casualties is about 125 a year, Mr. > > Collins said. > --- Alright. if it's injuries and fatalities combined, I can see that. my reading comprehension must be off today. Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 15:02:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FJ2wbm006854; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:02:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FJ2vIL006844; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:02:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbloSCADNHU4Kg3PGOvoiA1mZE7FZa4x68B81DWfuknptl0QctlTNb4Nm58ZpGogMM= From: "Jon Strang" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: London Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:02:55 -0400 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E2475@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83115794@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In the USA, about 125 people die in motor vehicle accidents...a day. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lynch [mailto:MLynch@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 1:36 PM To: 'Skip' Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: London Have you ridden there? That seems like a low fatality rate. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip [SMTP:skip@XXXXXX] > > > > "Coming in (Toll Free) on 2 Wheels and Prayer" > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/15/international/europe/15LOND.html > > > (free but may require signin) > > from the article: > > Beginners, and some experienced riders, Mr. Collins said, tend to fall > into three traps: They are hit by traffic turning across their path; > they lose control on wet or greasy roads; or they disobey traffic laws > and get into trouble, say, riding the wrong way on one-way streets. > > Just in the single square mile of the City of London the number of > motorcycle casualties is about 125 a year, Mr. Collins said. > > > > that seems to be a pretty high fatality rate. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 18:29:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FMTGbm012551; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:29:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FMTEhM012540; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:29:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <4328109.1050445751273.JavaMail.freecat@mac.com> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:29:11 -0400 From: Stephen Miller To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Spam: 2002 SV650 for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Located in D.C. area, great shape, about 5500 miles last I checked. Includes Sargent seat (stock seat included), matching Givi A750 windscreen, and L-P tank bra. A couple of pics up at http://homepage.mac.com/freecat. I will take more and send them to anyone who asks. Email is smillerf@XXXXXX Asking $4500, but it's negotiable. I do not want to sell, but my wife and I have 2-up touring plans this summer, and need a bigger bike for the trip. I will probably sell the touring bike at the end of the summer to buy another SV. Luckily, there are a lot of them out there. Maybe I'll get one of the new-fangled fuel-injected ones! - Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 19:30:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FNUUbm026066; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:30:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FNUTZh026056; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:30:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030415233027.11952.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:30:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Subject: It's that time of year - SPAM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200304152300.h3FN00TF019775@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Selling my 1998 Triumph Speed Triple. 11600 miles. Green, fuel-injected. Always garaged, Adult-owned, and dealer serviced. I've also got an OEM Triumph tank bag and OEM disc lock for the bike, which I'll include for the asking price of $5100. Ah, heck, $5000.00 for you folks. See more at: http://www.cycletrader.com/addetail.html?46159124 Spam out. Aaron 202-309-1894 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 19:33:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FNX8bm030932; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:33:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3FNX8Fx030926; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:33:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:34:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Dyno shop...for those who care... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: Jon Strang , dc-cycles@XXXXXX To: Carl Parker From: David Cross In-Reply-To: <3E9C111D.85147DA7@carlparker.com> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Fast Lane Cycle also has an in house Dyno. Just call them up and ask for Rick. BTW, every summer they have a horsepower shootout to see who's bike makes the most horsepower. Its broken up into displacement classes as well as overall winner. Food and prizes as well. www.fastlanecycles.com dave On Tuesday, April 15, 2003, at 10:03 AM, Carl Parker wrote: > Any time dude. I'd call them and ask to be sure. My guess is all > you'd > have to do is make a casual appointment with them over the phone. > Went to > go drop off some rims/tires for a friend and the dude (Casey) didn't > even > write up a tick. Give em a ring though...you can find their number in > online directories. They're up Spring street off Rt.50 all the way to > the > back, second left driveway and they're on your right. > > -Carl who is not any other Carl than the one he is right now > > Jon Strang wrote: > >> When? (i.e. is this on a speshul day or is this anytime) >> >> Thx. >> >> --jon > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 21:47:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3G1lGbm005859; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:47:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3G1lFXD005849; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:47:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Summit Point Weekend! Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:47:09 -0400 Message-ID: <006501c303ba$18000240$1400a8c0@training.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4328109.1050445751273.JavaMail.freecat@mac.com> April 18~19 WERA at Summit Point! God it's been a long winter! See you there. Gary Foreman TL Owners Club http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 15 23:32:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3G3WVbm013436; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:32:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3G3WU7x013429; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:32:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Subject: bet way to Skyline Drive? Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:32:23 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409351@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Dyno shop...for those who care... Thread-Index: AcMDqNRKU4NKpVb0Rvaju2M4RDGhtAAHMNrQ From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h3G3WTbm013417 I had a chance to ride Skyline drive for the first time. It's an awesome road, and I'm glad I went. I used the map from dccycles.com as my guide. Props to whoever put it together. Minuses: -$10 entrance fee??? -No runoff. Those concrete barriers looked very intimidating. -DEER. I ran into a deer waiting at three different turn exits. Thank god they didn't get spooked. I also saw a pack of deer on one straightaway and a SUV just standing there feeding (?) or taking pictures (?) of the deer. Apparently, the deer aren't afraid of humans at all, because I stopped behind that car and I was within several feet of the deer. It was kinda neat. Pluses: -So far, this is probably the coolest little road I've been on. That said, how do you guys usually get to Skyline Drive? I'm sure there's a better way to get there than I-66. I live right where 495 intersects 66, in VA. -Witold From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 00:30:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3G4U1bm020376; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 00:30:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3G4U1XP020368; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 00:30:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E9CDC47.33ED1802@tasam.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 00:29:59 -0400 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Spam: 2002 SV650 for sale References: <4328109.1050445751273.JavaMail.freecat@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stephen Miller wrote: > A couple of pics up at http://homepage.mac.com/freecat. your sister is hot! :~) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 01:14:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3G5EJbm025093; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 01:14:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3G5EIPo025083; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 01:14:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <061501c303d6$e8ecbee0$0200000a@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: References: <4328109.1050445751273.JavaMail.freecat@mac.com> <3E9CDC47.33ED1802@tasam.com> Subject: Starbucks Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 01:13:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Okay, now that the weather is nice, or was at least, when are the Thursday Starbucks meetings or the Wednesday Reston meetings starting back up. I need an excuse to get out of the house lol I am now starting to look into buying three bikes, 2001 ZRX 1200 used, 2002 1200 S Bandit new, or a old used Goldwing. 3k, 5k, or 7k. Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 07:57:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GBv0bm007370; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:57:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GBuxnE007360; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:56:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 16 Apr 2003 11:56:55 GMT Message-ID: <000f01c3040e$9298b340$5302a8c0@jcaldwell> From: "Jim Caldwell" To: , Subject: HD Repair Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:51:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 The best bet would be to have some HD loving mechanic put it together in his leisure time. However, for a shop, I'd recommend Tan's Cycle in Cheasapeake Beach, MD (Northern Calvert Co.). Give Tom, the proprieter, a call, 301 855-8337. He's especially good on the older Harleys. I'll also forward your post to a guy I know who might be willing to take it on. I'll let you know if he's interested. Jim Caldwell Owings, MD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 07:58:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GBwJbm012291; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:58:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GBwJRW012283; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:58:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.83.223.127] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bet way to Skyline Drive? Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:58:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2003 11:58:11.0422 (UTC) FILETIME=[74082FE0:01C3040F] Check the archieves, I asked this about a month ago. I only paid $5, the bike rate! >From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" >CC: >Subject: bet way to Skyline Drive? >Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:32:23 -0400 > >I had a chance to ride Skyline drive for the first time. It's an awesome >road, and I'm glad I went. I used the map from dccycles.com as my guide. >Props to whoever put it together. > >Minuses: >-$10 entrance fee??? >-No runoff. Those concrete barriers looked very intimidating. >-DEER. I ran into a deer waiting at three different turn exits. Thank god >they didn't get spooked. I also saw a pack of deer on one straightaway and >a SUV just standing there feeding (?) or taking pictures (?) of the deer. >Apparently, the deer aren't afraid of humans at all, because I stopped >behind that car and I was within several feet of the deer. It was kinda >neat. > >Pluses: >-So far, this is probably the coolest little road I've been on. > >That said, how do you guys usually get to Skyline Drive? I'm sure there's >a better way to get there than I-66. I live right where 495 intersects 66, >in VA. > >-Witold > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 08:02:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GC22bm019104; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:02:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GC228L019097; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:02:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030416120155.90433.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 05:01:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: best way to Skyline Drive? To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you want to drive it often, you may want to check into the National Parks Pass - $50 for a year, gets you into all of the National Parks for free. If you want to do a lot of touring, it seems to be a great deal. Brian Ray __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 08:24:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GCOKbm023760; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:24:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GCOJS5023750; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:24:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E9D4B35.A2777D1@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:23:17 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Ray CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: best way to Skyline Drive? References: <20030416120155.90433.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Ray wrote: > If you want to drive it often, you may want to check > into the National Parks Pass - $50 for a year, gets > you into all of the National Parks for free. If you > want to do a lot of touring, it seems to be a great > deal. > > Brian Ray And those who have achieved the age of wisdom (?) can get an annual any National park, anytime pass for pocket change. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 08:27:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GCRMbm028334; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:27:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GCRM3I028330; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:27:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:27:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Spam: 2002 SV650 for sale From: Stephen Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E9CDC47.33ED1802@tasam.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hehehe. She's a freshman at U of Tenn. - Chattanooga. on 4/16/03 12:29 AM, Skip Smith at skip@XXXXXX wrote: > Stephen Miller wrote: >> A couple of pics up at http://homepage.mac.com/freecat. > > your sister is hot! > > :~) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 08:28:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GCS2bm028394; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:28:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GCS2IV028389; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:28:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:27:46 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: skip@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Spam: 2002 SV650 for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5808137B.4A1C3749.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well....someone had to get the looks in his family. hehe His wife's not too shabby either. Too bad she's married. LOL Scooter In a message dated 4/15/2003 11:29:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > > > Stephen Miller wrote: > > A couple of pics up at http://homepage.mac.com/freecat. > > your sister is hot! > > :~) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 08:35:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GCZPbm005091; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:35:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GCZO0Y005080; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:35:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa9SAQIqm4dy8JPZEmFI/ZKdFtSuty2JClgHkZh2vNCtCqqCSPnVOMEkJVfMgRdSfo= From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Spam: 2002 SV650 for sale Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:35:22 -0400 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E2483@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B831157C4@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Importance: Normal I'm anxiously awaiting the first smarmy comment re: your sister or wife. --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 08:44:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GCinbm009694; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:44:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GCinuJ009686; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:44:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030416124441.91893.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 05:44:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Spam: 2002 SV650 for sale To: Jon Strang , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E2483@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not from me..... --- Jon Strang wrote: > I'm anxiously awaiting the first smarmy comment re: > your sister or wife. > > --jon > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 08:47:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GCllbm014283; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:47:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GClk37014277; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:47:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbGrad/Gp7nst9ffbFrk47Xb8DHdX/2iuY8ucfud8vIoprmKz/dhGDHfWL4M3dBSwM= From: "Jon Strang" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: bet way to Skyline Drive? Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:47:44 -0400 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83102D7B@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B831157D0@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Importance: Normal There's a variety of ways: most get off of I-66 around Marshall and take 647 or "647 that's not 647, but intersects 647" southwest-ish to 522 to 211, through Sperryville, to the top of the mountain. Look at a good state map, and it will be apparent. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services [mailto:Witold@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 11:32 PM Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bet way to Skyline Drive? I had a chance to ride Skyline drive for the first time. It's an awesome road, and I'm glad I went. I used the map from dccycles.com as my guide. Props to whoever put it together. Minuses: -$10 entrance fee??? -No runoff. Those concrete barriers looked very intimidating. -DEER. I ran into a deer waiting at three different turn exits. Thank god they didn't get spooked. I also saw a pack of deer on one straightaway and a SUV just standing there feeding (?) or taking pictures (?) of the deer. Apparently, the deer aren't afraid of humans at all, because I stopped behind that car and I was within several feet of the deer. It was kinda neat. Pluses: -So far, this is probably the coolest little road I've been on. That said, how do you guys usually get to Skyline Drive? I'm sure there's a better way to get there than I-66. I live right where 495 intersects 66, in VA. -Witold From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 09:01:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GD1hbm019040; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:01:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GD1huR019030; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:01:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:01:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Spam: 2002 SV650 for sale From: Stephen Miller To: DC Cycles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E2483@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit It's like some guys have never seen an attractive woman before... on 4/16/03 8:35 AM, Jon Strang at jmstrang@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm anxiously awaiting the first smarmy comment re: your sister or wife. > > --jon > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 09:07:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GD7rbm023652; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:07:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GD7rcP023643; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:07:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYqsr8wxQ7DwEB0oZhRGmAIZPc3V846w09EETwPf8crVvixE5LyNc18Zsh4xvpzJlc= From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Scott's Bike choices--one data point Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:07:51 -0400 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83102D7C@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B831157D6@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Importance: Normal Scott: I've got a 2001 1200 Bandit (nekkid, not the 'S'). There are no changes except paint for 2002 and 2003. Stock, the ZRX has a lot more motor, and a bit less handling (according to what I've read). The magazines loved the big Bandit until the FZ1 came out. The aftermarket for the Bandit is practically infinite & the amount of online help is overwhelming. You can find a step-by-step with pictures for just about any mod worth doing. A jet kit and a slip-on is nearly required; the stock airbox has one 1.25" or so hole that the big 1200 tries to breathe through...so, needless to say, it gasps for air at about 8,500K rpm and falls on its face. Luckily, a Stage I jet kit and a 2" hole (or stage II and pod filters--my choice) and a slip-on cure that and really wake up the bike. Most see the HP leap from just over 100 to the mid 110s, at the rear wheel, with those mods alone, and it keeps (and grows) the monster low-end torque (1/2 throttle power wheelies at less than 3500 rpm). Mods beyond that (I've got a full exhaust and a GSXR intake cam, along with a 5* ignition advancer) do trade away some low end, but there's so much to spare....I can still loft the front wheel with the throttle alone in second gear, but not until about 4500 rpm. And it pulls hard to the limiter, so it was worth it. The brakes are v. good (triple piston Tokico), and $100 for s/s brake lines makes them excellent. Upgrading to HH pads gets you outstanding brakes. On the numerous Bandit lists and pages, you'll find drag racers, hooligan bikes, full-on touring bikes, sport-touring set-ups, knee draggers, and so on. And everyone is happy to share their lessons learned. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the stock Bandit is a good bike, but the wealth of aftermarket parts and support make it a great blank canvas for whatever you want. I don't know what to do with a Goldwing. And 3k is pretty cheap for the ZRX if it's in good shape. As long as you like the styling. --jon -----Original Message----- From: S. Russell [mailto:macda@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 1:13 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Starbucks Okay, now that the weather is nice, or was at least, when are the Thursday Starbucks meetings or the Wednesday Reston meetings starting back up. I need an excuse to get out of the house lol I am now starting to look into buying three bikes, 2001 ZRX 1200 used, 2002 1200 S Bandit new, or a old used Goldwing. 3k, 5k, or 7k. Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 09:11:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GDBQbm030886; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:11:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GDBQwK030879; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:11:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa7iCmK1skp/l9GdmrlJhLOYPjKbcn0KJDkce0/GoYrAKxS1xs5ynzhVLg7CEjbywE= From: "Jon Strang" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Spam: 2002 SV650 for sale Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:11:24 -0400 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830E2489@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B831157EF@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Importance: Normal Yes we have, and thank God for the internet! > It's like some guys have never seen an attractive woman before... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 09:17:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GDHTbm003098; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:17:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GDHTTV003088; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:17:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030416091621.021d14b0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:17:07 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Starbucks In-Reply-To: <061501c303d6$e8ecbee0$0200000a@Godzilla> References: <4328109.1050445751273.JavaMail.freecat@mac.com> <3E9CDC47.33ED1802@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed How about today? I could go for a Frapp. 1pm at the Reston Town Center Starbucks? At 01:13 AM 4/16/2003, S. Russell wrote: >Okay, now that the weather is nice, or was at least, when are the Thursday >Starbucks meetings or the Wednesday Reston meetings starting back up. > >I need an excuse to get out of the house lol > >I am now starting to look into buying three bikes, 2001 ZRX 1200 used, 2002 >1200 S Bandit new, or a old used Goldwing. 3k, 5k, or 7k. > >Scott ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 09:21:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GDLsbm007722; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:21:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GDLsaH007713; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:21:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030416091916.021c5ee0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:21:51 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: bet way to Skyline Drive? In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409351@rnc1.rnchq.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:32 PM 4/15/2003, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: >I had a chance to ride Skyline drive .... >Minuses: >-$10 entrance fee??? $5 for bikes - or at least it was last year. >-No runoff. Those concrete barriers looked very intimidating. >-DEER. I ran into a deer waiting at three different turn exits. Thank >god they didn't get spooked. I also saw a pack of deer on one >straightaway and a SUV just standing there feeding (?) or taking pictures >(?) of the deer. Apparently, the deer aren't afraid of humans at all, >because I stopped behind that car and I was within several feet of the >deer. It was kinda neat. My last trip through we almost took out a family of Geese. Saw one small brown bear and dozens of deer. All in the road. >That said, how do you guys usually get to Skyline Drive? I'm sure there's >a better way to get there than I-66. I live right where 495 intersects >66, in VA. I'm partial to the Danny Thompson Warrenton method. Check a map for the VA by-way from the center of town. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 09:55:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GDtqbm012641; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:55:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GDtqL8012631; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:55:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030416135544.19145.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:55:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: bet way to Skyline Drive? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409351@rnc1.rnchq.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You liked Skyline huh? Do yourself a favor and head a little further south and get on the Blue Ridge Parkway (BRP). Its free, the speed limit is 45, not as well patroled, no DC "leaf peepers", etc. Sure its another 100 miles but worth the trip IMO. Glenn --- Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > I had a chance to ride Skyline drive for the first > time. It's an awesome road, and I'm glad I went. I > used the map from dccycles.com as my guide. Props > to whoever put it together. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 09:56:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GDudbm012695; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:56:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GDudfM012690; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:56:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E9D60DD.E06D9C41@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:55:41 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: More spam! Harley for sale... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1998 Superglide, blue, windshield, leather saddlebags, QC rack and backrest, and highway pegs. Serviced by dealer. Other than accessories mentioned, it is OEM, hasn't been *harleyized* for maximum noise etc, etc... Great condition, ready to scoot. $9,999. Hit me off-list and I'll send you a picture of this fine scoot. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 10:21:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GELnbm022354; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:21:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GELmOI022344; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:21:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: Starbucks Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:18:07 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <4328109.1050445751273.JavaMail.freecat@mac.com> <3E9CDC47.33ED1802@tasam.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030416091621.021d14b0@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030416091621.021d14b0@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0304161018071G.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Huh. If I can break out of here, I'm heading over to Chipotle's on M Street in about 30 minutes (or less). Carl On Wednesday 16 April 2003 09:17, Troutman wrote: > How about today? I could go for a Frapp. 1pm at the Reston Town Center > Starbucks? > > At 01:13 AM 4/16/2003, S. Russell wrote: > >Okay, now that the weather is nice, or was at least, when are the Thursday > >Starbucks meetings or the Wednesday Reston meetings starting back up. > > > >I need an excuse to get out of the house lol > > > >I am now starting to look into buying three bikes, 2001 ZRX 1200 used, > > 2002 1200 S Bandit new, or a old used Goldwing. 3k, 5k, or 7k. > > > >Scott > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 10:23:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GENMbm024249; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:23:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GENMxv024240; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:23:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030416092003.00b4c680@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:23:24 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Was Spam: 2002 SV650 for sale - now hot sister (not for sale, of course) In-Reply-To: References: <3E9CDC47.33ED1802@tasam.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Stephen wrote: >Hehehe. She's a freshman at U of Tenn. - Chattanooga. I'm a freshman at Middle Tennessee State....would she like a night out on the town in Nashville? :P -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 10:48:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GEmubm001938; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:48:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GEmuXL001930; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:48:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:49:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Was Spam: 2002 SV650 for sale - now hot sister (not for sale, of course) From: Stephen Miller To: Sean Jordan , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030416092003.00b4c680@mail.mac.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit She's in Nashville on weekends. I can give you her email, but the rest is up to you. My dad is the brewmaster/part owner of Blackstone in Nashville (near Vanderbilt, right next to Amerigo's if you know where that is). Two of my brothers went to MTSU. on 4/16/03 10:23 AM, Sean Jordan at eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > Stephen wrote: >> Hehehe. She's a freshman at U of Tenn. - Chattanooga. > > I'm a freshman at Middle Tennessee State....would she like a night out on > the town in Nashville? > > :P > > -Sean Jordan > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 10:55:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GEtwbm006611; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:55:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GEtwMZ006596; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:55:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030416145535.87755.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Oslo (was Re: London) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E9C50FB.E2A924E5@tasam.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii everybody runs around on studded tires in these parts. 1st snow brings out a rash of crashes but after that everybody gets a clue and learns to drive. I would kill for an inter-intra-city 4-lane highway like this one here. more curves than a WV byway. all the more fun at 100kph. ===== Windows XP Professional is built upon the rock-solid reliability of Windows NT technology, the architechture that is so fundamentally limited that it does not support the changes required to remove significant security vulnerabilities. How exactly would leaving Saddam in power promote peace and justice in Iraq? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 11:03:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GF3Gbm008996; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:03:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GF3G3j008986; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:03:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:03:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Spam: 2002 SV650 for sale From: Stephen Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E9CDC47.33ED1802@tasam.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit More pics (of the bike, not my sister): http://homepage.mac.com/freecat/PhotoAlbum7.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 12:53:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GGrbbm014357; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:53:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GGraeb014347; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:53:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030416165334.18461.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:53:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Was Spam: 2002 SV650 for sale - now hot sister (not for sale, of course) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030416092003.00b4c680@mail.mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Come on Sean, I'm sure she has some taste. Glenn --- Sean Jordan wrote: > Stephen wrote: > >Hehehe. She's a freshman at U of Tenn. - > Chattanooga. > > I'm a freshman at Middle Tennessee State....would > she like a night out on > the town in Nashville? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 13:04:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GH4qbm019065; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:04:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GH4q17019055; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:04:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1d6.77fa31f.2bcee728@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:04:40 EDT Subject: Re: best way to Skyline Drive? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/16/2003 8:03:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bdaleray@XXXXXX writes: > If you want to drive it often, you may want to check > into the National Parks Pass - $50 Seems to me that I got a one year pass for it when I went through for a _lot_ less then $50. Did you get a one day pass or a one year? John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 13:10:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GHAvbm023760; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:10:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GHAvMr023752; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:10:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030416171029.47533.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:10:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: best way to Skyline Drive? To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <1d6.77fa31f.2bcee728@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you got a pass for less, they must have changed their policies, or I was just looking in the wrong place. I just bought the pass, and it was $50 plus a couple bucks for handling. see https://buy.nationalparks.org/default.asp?ref=nps for more info. Brian --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 4/16/2003 8:03:13 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > bdaleray@XXXXXX writes: > > > If you want to drive it often, you may want to > check > > into the National Parks Pass - $50 > > Seems to me that I got a one year pass for it when I > went through for a _lot_ > less then $50. Did you get a one day pass or a one > year? > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 13:31:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GHV4bm030881; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:31:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GHV4sU030871; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:31:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <55.3dbea6ff.2bceed50@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:30:56 EDT Subject: Re: best way to Skyline Drive? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/16/2003 1:11:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bdaleray@XXXXXX writes: > If you got a pass for less, they must have changed > their policies, I _know_ it was a one year pass and that it did not cost anywhere near $50, it was however only good on Skyline Drive. Seems to me it was something like $5 for a day pass and $10 for a year. If the discussion continues I may just have to ride out there to check #:-) > John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 13:49:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GHnUbm005601; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:49:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GHnTOq005591; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:49:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: best way to Skyline Drive? Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:49:23 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409352@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: best way to Skyline Drive? Thread-Index: AcMEPpAQfMlJVJ9FR7ak/z1txQtUpwAABvsQ From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h3GHnSbm005574 The ticket machine mentioned nothing about $5 motorcycle passes. There was no attendant. As I recall, there were 4 options to choose from: (1) - $10 - "private vehicle-7-day". This is what I bought. The pass expires at 11:59pm on April 21, so if anyone wants my reciept for reentry, email me off the list. On the reciept is states "keep your reciept for re-entry. Exchange pass reciept for card at Shenandoah". I won't be in town this weekend, so I don't plan to use the pass again. (2) - $50-60- 1 year national parks pass. (3) - Some senior citizen discount pass. It was either an annual or a lifetime pass. (4) - Shenandoah specific pass that was marginally cheaper than the national parks pass... ~$40 or so... That's how I recall my options... -Witold > -----Original Message----- > From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 1:31 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: best way to Skyline Drive? > > > In a message dated 4/16/2003 1:11:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > bdaleray@XXXXXX writes: > > > If you got a pass for less, they must have changed > > their policies, > > I _know_ it was a one year pass and that it did not cost > anywhere near $50, > it was however only good on Skyline Drive. > > Seems to me it was something like $5 for a day pass and $10 > for a year. If > the discussion continues I may just have to ride out there to > check #:-) > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 13:54:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GHsubm010313; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:54:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GHst6T010302; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:54:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200304161754.h3GHssbm010289@dirty.meretrix.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 209.201.63.217 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: Subject: RE: best way to Skyline Drive? Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:54:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.4920 Thread-Index: AcMEPhOcvLwA+LaqQJGRC0Dmr8QIbwAAvkoQ In-Reply-To: <55.3dbea6ff.2bceed50@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h3GHssbm010290 Yeah, the one year pass to just Skyline is no where near $50. I did that once. But last September I bought an annual pass to all National Parks (I hope to get out to the Grand Canyon and surrounding National Parks), and that pass is $50. I didn't know about the $5 motorcycle pass. That's good to know. :) Wes Hsu...just used my pass this past Sunday on a nice ride on Skyline. :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 13:57:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GHvobm015003; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:57:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GHvoO5014998; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:57:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004001c30441$ac1839c0$6801a8c0@STEVEN> From: "Bruce N" To: References: <55.3dbea6ff.2bceed50@aol.com> Subject: Re: best way to Skyline Drive? Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:57:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Skyline Drive Entrance Fees: http://www.nps.gov/shen/1c.htm Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: > I _know_ it was a one year pass and that it did not cost anywhere near $50, > it was however only good on Skyline Drive. > > Seems to me it was something like $5 for a day pass and $10 for a year. If > the discussion continues I may just have to ride out there to check #:-) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 14:10:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GIAKbm019779; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:10:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GIAKEl019769; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:10:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <16f.1d46bce1.2bcef67d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:10:05 EDT Subject: Re: best way to Skyline Drive? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/16/2003 1:50:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Witold@XXXXXX writes: > There was no attendant. Damn! DAMN! DAMN! DAMN! The destruction of _OUR_ national parks continues. DAMN! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 14:15:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GIF1bm024488; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:15:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GIF1mS024482; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:15:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004d01c30444$147d0250$2802a8c0@D22WR021> From: "Anita Lauro" To: References: <55.3dbea6ff.2bceed50@aol.com> Subject: Re: best way to Skyline Drive? Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:14:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 I think you all are talking about two different things - an annual pass to Skyline Drive, and an annual pass to any and all national parks. Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 1:30 PM Subject: Re: best way to Skyline Drive? > In a message dated 4/16/2003 1:11:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > bdaleray@XXXXXX writes: > > > If you got a pass for less, they must have changed > > their policies, > > I _know_ it was a one year pass and that it did not cost anywhere near $50, > it was however only good on Skyline Drive. > > Seems to me it was something like $5 for a day pass and $10 for a year. If > the discussion continues I may just have to ride out there to check #:-) > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 15:43:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GJh9bm029648; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:43:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GJh8jj029638; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:43:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002a01c30450$65829fa0$6400a8c0@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: <3E9D60DD.E06D9C41@patriot.net> Subject: Re: (even more) More spam! Yamahama for sale... Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:43:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c260939ad7902608047eecb693798d61b4919350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c '93 Seca II - dark green Needs clutch (or the willingness to live with reduced acceleration and top speed) There's a bit of rust on the headers Right hand mirror mount broken (replace or JB weld) 17,500 miles Reasonably fresh rubber and chain Bodywork in good shape Engine runs well - I knew previous owner, and he's mechanically reliable (German, and all that) Asking $1,835.42 Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 16:07:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GK7Bbm002037; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:07:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GK7Aaa002022; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:07:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030416160601.021afbc8@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:07:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Rider Arrested For Alleged Wheelies, Speeding on 95 in Florida Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.local6.com/orlpn/news/stories/news-211656520030416-110447.html With Video A member of a group of motorcycle enthusiasts in Central Florida who film deadly stunts performed in traffic was arrested for speeding and popping wheelies on Interstate 95, according to Local 6 News. EARLIER REPORT: Motorcycle Group Films Deadly Stunts Authorities said that Jeff Hackett, 28, of Cocoa, was charged late Tuesday with reckless driving, driving while license suspended and driving with an obscured tag. Hackett is reportedly a member of the group M.I. Xtreme. The group performs illegal tricks like standing up on a speeding motorcycle or riding a motorcycle while facing backwards in highway traffic. "It's more of a rush for you when you have moving obstacles in the way," Hackett told Local 6 News in February. "I know it's wrong. I'm breaking the law by what I do." Hackett and another motorcyclist were driving at high speed and popping wheelies around 10 p.m. Tuesday while driving southbound on I-95 near Viera, Florida Trooper D.T. Davis told WKMG partner Florida Today. After Davis stopped Hackett's 2000 Suzuki, the other motorcycle popped a wheelie and sped away, according to the report. Hackett had a suspended license for failure to pay child support and eight traffic tickets. The group has sold more than 1,400 videotaped copies of their dangerous maneuvers, Local 6 News reported earlier this year. The taped footage not only shows their stunts but also serious wipeouts and confrontations with local police. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 17:30:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GLUKbm009932; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:30:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GLUJal009922; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:30:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:30:00 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: freecat@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Spam: 2002 SV650 for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2F5E03AA.5CD1B54C.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Party pooper. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 4/16/2003 10:03:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, freecat@XXXXXX writes: > > > More pics (of the bike, not my sister): > http://homepage.mac.com/freecat/PhotoAlbum7.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 19:44:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GNi3bm021442; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:44:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GNi0Xu021427; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:44:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <017901c30472$0ca0bf30$0a0110ac@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" , References: <200304151407.AEG18900@ms2.verisignmail.com> Subject: Re: Motos don't pay London congestion fee Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:43:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 This was "Red Ken" Livingston's idea about how to reduce traffic congestion and funnel more money to mass transit. DC might do something similar, through an increased tax on parking. Since we can't tax commuters taxing their cars may be the next best thing and it will pay dividends in terms of lower traffic congestion and pollution. FWIW, NYC has an 18% parking tax and I see no shortage of private cages in that city, or traffic congestion for that matter. I was there yesterday, on business, on my bike. Even on the Upper East Side, on-street parking is plentiful, unless you're in a cage and need a spot 20 feet long. And parking on the sidewalk is generally tolerated, unless you're obnoxious about it, block entrances, etc. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" > > >The link is to a NYT article discussing London's new > >congestion fee ($7.75 every time a 4 wheeled vehicle > >enters downtown London during business hours; 2 > >wheelers pay nothing). Too bad they can't adopt this > >in DC. jib > >http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/15/international/europe/15LOND > .html?8hpib > > [Dave] DC's congestion fee is assessed via photo radar. ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 19:48:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GNmBbm026169; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:48:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3GNmB1b026157; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:48:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Michael H. Moore" To: Subject: Brake Lever Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:09:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <2F5E03AA.5CD1B54C.0C9D3659@aol.com> Importance: Normal Crap Crap Crap. I dropped my GS500 on my driveway this evening. It broke the brake lever off. Who is a good parts retailer online? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 20:27:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3H0RXbm001274; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:27:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3H0RXRn001267; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:27:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX Message-ID: <90.35aaf746.2bcf4ee5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:27:17 EDT Subject: Spam.. More bikes (etc.) for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 While making room in the garage... 1993 Suzuki GSX-R 750 project bike for sale, salvage title, needs body work and minor bits&pieces.. Motor runs great, brand new carbon Kerker exhaust, spare swingarm (8" extended) $750 1988/89 Suzuki Katana 600 project bike, clear title, mostly complete, head recently rebuilt @ Fast Lane by Rick, multi-angle valve job etc... New chain, 0 miles on fork rebuild. $500 Factory Suzuki manuals available for both bikes, buy both bikes for $1000.. Delivery possible, pics possible, email if interested... Also.... 1989 Honda CRX Si, recent top end rebuild w/ timing belt and water pump when I bought the car (about 10k miles ago), less than 5k on clutch, pics possible... $2100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 21:02:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3H12hbm011171; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:02:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3H12hFn011164; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:02:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.35.61.66] X-Originating-Email: [hotrivet@XXXXXX] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Skyline Pluses Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:02:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2003 01:02:35.0807 (UTC) FILETIME=[08976AF0:01C3047D] I had a chance to ride Skyline drive for the first time. It's an awesome road, and I'm glad I went. I used the map from dccycles.com as my guide. Props to whoever put it together. Minuses: -$10 entrance fee??? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Pluses... 20 bucks for a year... Minuses... Wait until tourist season Pluses... Still a nice ride Minuses... Speeding - get a ticket Real bummer.. It's a Federal bust so you have to appear in a Federal court... penalties are usually harsher. aw _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 21:04:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3H14vbm016278; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:04:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3H14vua016268; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:04:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.35.61.66] X-Originating-Email: [hotrivet@XXXXXX] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:04:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2003 01:04:50.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[58D3E250:01C3047D] Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 00:29:59 -0400 From: Skip Smith CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Spam: 2002 SV650 for sale Stephen Miller wrote: >A couple of pics up at http://homepage.mac.com/freecat. your sister is hot! ================================================================== Somebody had to say it.... how did you get so ugly? _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 21:19:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3H1Jdbm026052; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:19:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3H1JdOG026042; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:19:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.35.61.66] X-Originating-Email: [hotrivet@XXXXXX] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:19:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2003 01:19:32.0309 (UTC) FILETIME=[66795050:01C3047F] The Blue Ridge Pkwy road composition is this type of marl (shells) that really eat up the rubber. But it's a nice road. How do I get to Skyline? 66 or 55 to Markham take 688 over to 211 hang a right down to Sperryville. There's a cool road from Sperryville to Madison skirts the Skyline on the east side from there hit 29 to 33 and up and over or take a right and ride the skyline back up. Route 20 to 522 to 29 is a good road and a nice ride, then North on 29 to where ever... or head out 7 from Leesburg get on Snickersville Turnpike... or MOUNT WEATHER to 50 hang a left to 17S go a bit then hit the northern leg of 688 go under 66 continue on the south leg of 688 to 211.... or Go under 66 and instead of continuing on the south leg of 688 (Leeds Manor Road) turn right heading for Front Royal... follow the signs to 522 take 522S to 211 hang a right to Sperryville left of 347? to Madison to 20 to 33 and loop it back on the Skyline north.... bunches of ways.... Cool ride continue on 211 over the pass go to Luray take a left into Luray and a right on... before the old town and over a newish cement bridge... follow that road cross the Shennandoah take a left and then the first right... up and over that set of hills... you'll pass Geo Washington National forest and comeout on (I'm too lazy to look a map... Wolfs Gap on the Va WVa border is the goal... continue on into West Virginia... you won't be disappointed... pack a lunch. aw Glenn wrote: You liked Skyline huh? Do yourself a favor and head a little further south and get on the Blue Ridge Parkway (BRP). Its free, the speed limit is 45, not as well patroled, no DC "leaf peepers", etc. Sure its another 100 miles but worth the trip IMO. Glenn _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 21:29:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3H1TBbm001053; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:29:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3H1TBnW001043; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:29:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.35.61.66] X-Originating-Email: [hotrivet@XXXXXX] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Request for Manassas Park Ordinanance confirmation Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:29:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2003 01:29:03.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB0E08D0:01C30480] Yesterday my neighbor pulls up (Honda 929 or something like that) gets of the bike comes over and tells me... "did you hear about the new Manassas Park ordinance?"... he heard this at the 7-11 talking with another rider... rumour has it that Manassas Park has passed an ordinance... aimed at mopeds (but being non specific...extends to MC's that any modified bike (not factory) is subject to a ticket... now we're talking pipes... and maybe some other performance enhancements. Maybe some mods to seating, windshields, lighting... hell I don't know... I looked up on the web and Manassas Park being Manassas Park there was nothing posted... Has anyone heard anything concerning this absurdity? aw _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 21:40:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3H1e8bm008572; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:40:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3H1e73a008562; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:40:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.83.223.127] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: scratched Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:40:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2003 01:40:00.0742 (UTC) FILETIME=[42AD5060:01C30482] Cover has a hole where the right mirror sticks out, it's a few yrs old. The mirror from the month old SVS had raised out it, damn thing has a scratch on it, at first I thought it was bird dung, but no, it's been scratched. Bunch of savages in this town. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 21:46:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3H1kTbm016038; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:46:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3H1kS0I016030; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:46:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:46:40 -0400 Subject: Re: From: Stephen Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I was born this way. How'd you get to be such an asshole? on 4/16/03 9:04 PM, Adam Wah at hotrivet@XXXXXX wrote: > > Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 00:29:59 -0400 > From: Skip Smith > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Spam: 2002 SV650 for sale > > Stephen Miller wrote: >> A couple of pics up at http://homepage.mac.com/freecat. > > your sister is hot! > > ================================================================== > > Somebody had to say it.... how did you get so ugly? > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 16 23:46:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3H3k3bm018936; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:46:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3H3jxre018922; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:45:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Insurace discounts Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:05:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2003 22:05:31.0204 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BD5A840:01C30464] Just got a discount on my car insurance for driving less than 7,500 miles a year through Allstate. Thought might pass along since a lot of you probably have a car like me to go to grocery store ect and don't put many miles on it. And of course the bike is recreational not a commuter, I ride the metro to work ;) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 08:04:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HC4mbm029894; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:04:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HC4jrJ029878; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:04:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030417120408.82049.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 05:04:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Nick Thompson Subject: Re: Spam.. More bikes (etc.) for sale To: ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <90.35aaf746.2bcf4ee5@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll jump on this one as well. I have a 93 GSXR-750 that has a long list of new parts; Tires (Dunlop Sportmax 207's), new Barnett Clutch(All 14 discs), New O.E. Clutch Basket, new brakes (front & rear), new chain & Sprockets, new clutch and speedo cables. It also has a stage 2 jet kit, and a full Yosh. system. The bike is in excellent condition. $3500.00 obo. Please email me off list of you know of anyone that's interested. Thanks, Nick --- ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX wrote: > While making room in the garage... > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 08:13:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HCDPbm032324; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:13:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HCDPVn032316; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:13:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:24:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Spam.. More bikes (etc.) for sale In-Reply-To: <20030417120408.82049.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Nick Thompson wrote: > I'll jump on this one as well. I have a 93 GSXR-750 > that has a long list of new parts; Tires (Dunlop > Sportmax 207's), new Barnett Clutch(All 14 discs), New > O.E. Clutch Basket, new brakes (front & rear), new > chain & Sprockets, new clutch and speedo cables. It > also has a stage 2 jet kit, and a full Yosh. system. > The bike is in excellent condition. $3500.00 obo. > Please email me off list of you know of anyone that's > interested. And pics of Nick's bike - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/nick/ :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 08:18:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HCICbm002300; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:18:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HCICbn002295; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:18:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT? For Sale Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:14:36 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <0304140825110B.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> In-Reply-To: <0304140825110B.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0304170814361M.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 14 April 2003 08:25, Carl Schelin wrote: > Well if someone can sell a motorcycle storage shed surround by a house I > can post a note about sale items. > Following up myself. I was going to create a quick web site for the stuff we're selling but our Security folks dropped a 300 page security document on me Wednesday that I had to review and build a proposed server configuration document. As of this morning, their document has increased to 900 pages. As such, I haven't been able to put the pics on line. If you're intending on dropping by Saturday, most of the book cases will be available, roughly $50 each. Address is 4630 Evansdale Road, Woodbridge 22193. Use Mapquest for directions. 10am until 4pm. Come early, come often :-) Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 08:44:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HCiCbm016518; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:44:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HCiCuw016512; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:44:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200304171244.AEK10531@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:44:04 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Request for Manassas Park Ordinanance confirmation To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Yesterday my neighbor pulls up (Honda 929 or something like that) gets of >the bike comes over and tells me... "did you hear about the new Manassas >Park ordinance?"... he heard this at the 7-11 talking with another rider... >rumour has it that Manassas Park has passed an ordinance... aimed at mopeds >(but being non specific...extends to MC's that any modified bike (not >factory) is subject to a ticket... now we're talking pipes... and maybe some >other performance enhancements. Maybe some mods to seating, windshields, [Dave] Never heard of it. That said, they can already ticket you for ( more appropriately detain you, possibly find you in violation of ) noise violation (60 mph in 1st gear ?), pipe which is not for road use, no baffle pipes, turn signals not spaced far enough apart, no horn - yes, you can and will be stopped for it if they're unbusy enough*. *My friend with the '53 Panhead HD got nabbed for - no horn... It didn't come with a horn ! he ended up putting a bicycle horn on it... :-/ Don't ride in an area where attention is likely, in a manner that will draw unwanted attention, and you won't have any problems... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 09:00:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HD0vbm018970; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:00:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HD0vGp018960; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:00:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030417130055.697.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 06:00:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Brake Lever To: mhmoore@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii www.ronayers.com usually has the cheapest OEM parts, if that's what you're after. You could check www.mawonline.com for aftermarket stuff. Chris Weaver --- "Michael H. Moore" wrote: > Crap Crap Crap. I dropped my GS500 on my driveway > this evening. It broke > the brake lever off. Who is a good parts retailer > online? > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 09:42:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HDgtbm021537; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:42:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HDgsAB021527; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:42:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030417094124.021bb350@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:42:46 -0400 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Request for Manassas Park Ordinanance confirmation In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:29 PM 4/16/2003, Adam Wah wrote: >Yesterday my neighbor pulls up (Honda 929 or something like that) gets of >the bike comes over and tells me... "did you hear about the new Manassas >Park ordinance?"... he heard this at the 7-11 talking with another >rider... rumour has it that Manassas Park has passed an ordinance... The article in the Potomac News just said that moped riders have to wear helmets. It wasn't motorcycle related. Unfortunately, they didn't put the article online (they only do a few front page stories every other day). http://www.manassasjm.com/news/archive/index.shtml I'll see if the article is still in my recycle pile. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 09:50:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HDoFbm023943; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:50:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HDoFv4023936; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:50:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030417094427.0235c378@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:50:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Speaking of the Potomac News .... 2 PW Bikers killed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I forgot to mention this article. Sounds like one was killed by an older guy who turned in front of the biker (and several others in his group). I go through that intersection every day. The other rider opted to pass a car in a turning lane and hit a turning car. I don't get this though ""He was doing exactly what he was supposed to be doing. He was within the law, and so was the person who pulled out." Uhh...failure to yield? http://www.potomacnews.com/news/MGBJIRFCJED.html Apr 14, 2003 Two bikers killed in weekend accidents BY KEITH WALKER kwalker@XXXXXX Two separate motorcycle accidents this weekend claimed the lives of two Prince William County men. Adam Smoot, 24, of 2778 Bixby Lane in Dale City, died Saturday in Clifton near the intersection of Colchester and Newman roads in Fairfax County. Smoot was traveling south on Colchester Road when Harold Nelson, 74, of 4217 Kingsman Lane in the Annandale area, pulled in front of him and several other motorcycle riders, said Fairfax police spokesman Officer D.R. Lingenfelter. Smoot's motorcycle crashed into Nelson's 2002 Mercury Sable, Lingenfelter said. Smoot, a Manassas real estate appraiser, was flown to Inova Fairfax Hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival, Lingenfelter said. "Neither speed nor alcohol were factors in the crash. The crash teams are still investigating the accident," Lingenfelter said. On Sunday afternoon, a 48-year-old Woobridge man was killed after being thrown from his motorcycle on Jefferson Davis Highway, Detective Dennis Mangan, Prince William police spokesman, said. William Al Chneidercq Jr., of 12040 Stoneford Drive, was driving his 2000 Honda Ninja motorcycle south on U.S. 1 when he accelerated to pass another vehicle, police said. Chneider's motorcycle struck the right rear of a 1994 Honda Civic that was in the northbound lanes turning left at the Station Plaza Shopping Center. Chneider was a resident of Lake Ridge for 12 years were he lived with his wife Mary Anne and their two children. He was retired as an engineer from the U.S. Navy, Mary Anne Chneider said. Jake Smoot, Adam's brother said, the riders were traveling in staggered pairs. When the Sable pulled out, Adam, who was riding near the shoulder, was trapped. "There was no room for Adam to go. He couldn't go to the center lane. There was a guy there already and he would have taken him out, so he rode it on through," Jake Smoot, 30, said. Cap Smoot, Adam's father, talked with some of the riders who were with his son in Clifton. "There was no speed involved, there was no drugs or alcohol involved on anybody's part. Everybody was doing exactly what they were supposed to be doing," Smoot, 55, said Sunday afternoon from his home in Falmouth. "He was doing exactly what he was supposed to be doing. He was within the law, and so was the person who pulled out. He and his wife were just out for a Saturday afternoon drive," Smoot said. "The car pulled out and stopped. He saw them at the last minute," Cap Smoot said. "I guess when he saw the bikes coming he freaked and he stopped," Smoot said of the man driving the Mercury. "The comforting part was all the lectures, 'Do not speed. Be careful. Do not be crazy on the bike,' and he wasn't," Cap Smoot said. Jake Smoot's wife Tamara Smoot said her brother-in-law made it his job to keep the family intact. "He was the glue that held everybody together in this family," said Tamara Smoot, 28, Adam's sister-in-law. "Our family was a little distant and he was always working on that. Getting us all back together again," Cap Smoot said. Smoot's mother, Lynn Burwitz, lives in Fredericksburg. "He wouldn't let somebody go out of his life," Cap Smoot said. "When he would leave he would always say, 'Don't worry about it. We'll figure it out.' That was his thing, 'We'll figure it out,'" Smoot said. "I don't know who's going to take over his job," Cap said. "Not one person could do what he did. It's going to take all of us," Jake Smoot said. Funeral services for Smoot, who was a student pilot, will be held Wednesday at 11 a.m. at the Covenant Funeral Service Chapel, at 4801 Jefferson Davis Highway, in Fredericksburg. Christian Czerwinski contributed to this story. Staff writer Keith Walker can be reached at (703) 878-8063. Czerwinski can be reached at (703) 878-8074. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 10:17:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HEHRbm029245; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:17:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HEHRvE029234; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:17:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E9EB73C.94C8CDAB@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:16:28 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of the Potomac News .... 2 PW Bikers killed References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030417094427.0235c378@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > I forgot to mention this article. Sounds like one was killed by an older > guy who turned in front of the biker (and several others in his group). I > go through that intersection every day. The other rider opted to pass a > car in a turning lane and hit a turning car. > > I don't get this though ""He was doing exactly what he was supposed to be > doing. He was within the law, and so was the person who pulled out." > > Uhh...failure to yield? > Or - biker changing lanes in the near vicinity of an intersection? Some intersections have solid lines to indicate that's a no-no, but even without solid lines it's not a great idea. Just a thought - without a crash scene diagram no judgements can be made either way. Bill > > Apr 14, 2003 > > Two bikers killed in weekend accidents > > BY KEITH WALKER > kwalker@XXXXXX > > Two separate motorcycle accidents this weekend claimed the lives of two > Prince William County men. > > Adam Smoot, 24, of 2778 Bixby Lane in Dale City, died Saturday in Clifton > near the intersection of Colchester and Newman roads in Fairfax County. > > Smoot was traveling south on Colchester Road when Harold Nelson, 74, of > 4217 Kingsman Lane in the Annandale area, pulled in front of him and > several other motorcycle riders, said Fairfax police spokesman Officer D.R. > Lingenfelter. > > Smoot's motorcycle crashed into Nelson's 2002 Mercury Sable, Lingenfelter > said. > > Smoot, a Manassas real estate appraiser, was flown to Inova Fairfax > Hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival, Lingenfelter said. > > "Neither speed nor alcohol were factors in the crash. The crash teams are > still investigating the accident," Lingenfelter said. > > On Sunday afternoon, a 48-year-old Woobridge man was killed after being > thrown from his motorcycle on Jefferson Davis Highway, Detective Dennis > Mangan, Prince William police spokesman, said. > > William Al Chneidercq Jr., of 12040 Stoneford Drive, was driving his 2000 > Honda Ninja motorcycle south on U.S. 1 when he accelerated to pass another > vehicle, police said. > > Chneider's motorcycle struck the right rear of a 1994 Honda Civic that was > in the northbound lanes turning left at the Station Plaza Shopping Center. > > Chneider was a resident of Lake Ridge for 12 years were he lived with his > wife Mary Anne and their two children. He was retired as an engineer from > the U.S. Navy, Mary Anne Chneider said. > > Jake Smoot, Adam's brother said, the riders were traveling in staggered > pairs. When the Sable pulled out, Adam, who was riding near the shoulder, > was trapped. > > "There was no room for Adam to go. He couldn't go to the center lane. There > was a guy there already and he would have taken him out, so he rode it on > through," Jake Smoot, 30, said. > > Cap Smoot, Adam's father, talked with some of the riders who were with his > son in Clifton. > > "There was no speed involved, there was no drugs or alcohol involved on > anybody's part. Everybody was doing exactly what they were supposed to be > doing," Smoot, 55, said Sunday afternoon from his home in Falmouth. > > "He was doing exactly what he was supposed to be doing. He was within the > law, and so was the person who pulled out. He and his wife were just out > for a Saturday afternoon drive," Smoot said. > > "The car pulled out and stopped. He saw them at the last minute," Cap Smoot > said. > > "I guess when he saw the bikes coming he freaked and he stopped," Smoot > said of the man driving the Mercury. > > "The comforting part was all the lectures, 'Do not speed. Be careful. Do > not be crazy on the bike,' and he wasn't," Cap Smoot said. > > Jake Smoot's wife Tamara Smoot said her brother-in-law made it his job to > keep the family intact. > > "He was the glue that held everybody together in this family," said Tamara > Smoot, 28, Adam's sister-in-law. > > "Our family was a little distant and he was always working on that. Getting > us all back together again," Cap Smoot said. > > Smoot's mother, Lynn Burwitz, lives in Fredericksburg. > > "He wouldn't let somebody go out of his life," Cap Smoot said. > > "When he would leave he would always say, 'Don't worry about it. We'll > figure it out.' That was his thing, 'We'll figure it out,'" Smoot said. > > "I don't know who's going to take over his job," Cap said. > > "Not one person could do what he did. It's going to take all of us," Jake > Smoot said. > > Funeral services for Smoot, who was a student pilot, will be held Wednesday > at 11 a.m. at the Covenant Funeral Service Chapel, at 4801 Jefferson Davis > Highway, in Fredericksburg. > > Christian Czerwinski contributed to this story. Staff writer Keith Walker > can be reached at (703) 878-8063. Czerwinski can be reached at (703) 878-8074. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 10:21:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HEL8bm031630; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:21:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HEL8Fk031625; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:21:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <188.1834610c.2bd01250@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:21:04 EDT Subject: Re: Request for Manassas Park Ordinanance confirmation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/17/2003 8:44:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Dave@XXXXXX writes: > Don't ride in an area where attention is likely, in a manner > that will draw unwanted attention, and you won't have any > problems... What do loud pipes and free donuts have in common? They both attract cops. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 10:21:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HELfbm031692; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:21:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HELfqS031677; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:21:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030417101959.038f0de8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:21:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Speaking of the Potomac News .... 2 PW Bikers killed In-Reply-To: <3E9EB73C.94C8CDAB@patriot.net> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030417094427.0235c378@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:16 AM 4/17/2003, William J. Huson wrote: > > Uhh...failure to yield? > > > >Or - biker changing lanes in the near vicinity of an intersection? Some >intersections have solid lines to indicate that's a no-no, but even >without solid >lines it's not a great idea. Just a thought - without a crash scene >diagram no >judgements can be made either way. I was referring to victim number one in Clifton. A one lane road meets a two lane road. The guy pulled onto the two lane road in front of the group of bikers failure to yield. The article was poorly written - switching back and forth between the two accidents. So was my summary email unfortunately. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 10:55:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HEtGbm004320; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:55:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HEtG7E004310; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:55:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E9EC01A.F55EAA27@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:54:18 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of the Potomac News .... 2 PW Bikers killed References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030417094427.0235c378@mail.wheatintl.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030417101959.038f0de8@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > At 10:16 AM 4/17/2003, William J. Huson wrote: > > > Uhh...failure to yield? > > > > > > >Or - biker changing lanes in the near vicinity of an intersection? Some > >intersections have solid lines to indicate that's a no-no, but even > >without solid > >lines it's not a great idea. Just a thought - without a crash scene > >diagram no > >judgements can be made either way. > > I was referring to victim number one in Clifton. A one lane road meets a > two lane road. The guy pulled onto the two lane road in front of the group > of bikers failure to yield. > > The article was poorly written - switching back and forth between the two > accidents. So was my summary email unfortunately. > Yes, when two vehicles collide a reasonable assumption is that at least one of them screwed up. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 11:32:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HFWpbm006901; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:32:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HFWpNM006891; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:32:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030417153243.74506.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:32:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Speaking of the Potomac News .... 2 PW Bikers killed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E9EC01A.F55EAA27@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When the article quoted the second accident as involving a "Honda Ninja motorcycle," I stopped taking it seriously. It's a small error but points to carelessness on the part of the reporter and undermines any credibility he might have had in my judgment. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 11:35:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HFZBbm009316; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:35:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HFZBsk009301; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:35:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F145159F3@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'Witold@XXXXXX'" Subject: bet way to Skyline Drive? Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:37:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Witold Chrabaszcz, commented, "I had a chance to ride Skyline drive for the first time. It's an awesome road, and I'm glad I went. I used the map from dccycles.com as my guide. Props to whoever put it together." If you think Skyline is awesome, the BRP, especially in Nawth Carolinah, will knock your socks off. Glenn Dysart offered, "You liked Skyline huh? Do yourself a favor and head a little further south and get on the Blue Ridge Parkway (BRP). Its free, the speed limit is 45, not as well patroled, no DC "leaf peepers", etc. Sure its another 100 miles but worth the trip IMO." If you want to keep going . . . There is a motorcycle campground just south of Floyd, VA that is excellent. http://www.willvillebikecamp.com/ Farther south (it's like chips, once you get past Buena Vista, it's difficult to stop) In Cruso, NC there's the Blue Ridge Motorcycle Campground (The road off the BRP is a gas) 'n if you got that far, might as well hit Deals Gap and the Cherohala Skyway http://www.westernncattractions.com/cherohal.htm The Cherokee Camp in Tellico Plains, TN is on the south end of the Cherohala (ask for directions in town) 'n if you go that far . . . the TWO in Suches, GA has got to be seen http://www.twowheelsonly.com/ Rt. 60 twixt Dahlonega and the Tennessee border is kewl as is 68 into Tellico Plains. Route 40, the Joe Brown Highway has its admirers. Sigh, June she will come. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 11:43:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HFh0bm014015; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:43:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HFh0Ec014003; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:43:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <8013828.1050594177436.JavaMail.nobody@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:43:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Wilson To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Speaking of the Potomac News .... 2 PW Bikers killed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 -------Original Message------- From: Chris Weaver Sent: 04/17/03 11:32 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of the Potomac News .... 2 PW Bikers killed > > When the article quoted the second accident as involving a "Honda Ninja motorcycle," I stopped taking it seriously. It's a small error but points to carelessness on the part of the reporter and undermines any credibility he might have had in my judgment. Chris Weaver ----- It's gotta be one of them Nin-jer Motorsickles since it has plastic on it... And to that the factor that traffic accidents and other "police blotter" work gets assigned to rookie reporters. I have a hard time drawing *any* valid conclusions about motorcycle crashes from press reports. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 11:52:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HFqHbm016453; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:52:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HFqH0G016442; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:52:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:52:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Speaking of the Potomac News .... 2 PW Bikers killed From: Stephen Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030417153243.74506.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit What? You've never heard of the Honda Ninja? I suppose you've never heard of the Harley Bonneville, either! on 4/17/03 11:32 AM, Chris Weaver at chris_vtr@XXXXXX wrote: > When the article quoted the second accident as > involving a "Honda Ninja motorcycle," I stopped taking > it seriously. It's a small error but points to > carelessness on the part of the reporter and > undermines any credibility he might have had in my > judgment. > > Chris Weaver > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 11:56:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HFuibm018852; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:56:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HFuhF9018842; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:56:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <14e.1e0962a4.2bd028af@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:56:31 EDT Subject: Re: bet way to Skyline Drive? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/17/2003 11:38:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: > (The road off the > BRP is a gas) I second that emotion! A fun road, I rode it many times when I lived near there. One word of caution, be carefull first time down (Or up) unlike the Parkway which was built to be easy for flatlanders this road was built for local traffic, you could run into your own ass if you are not carefull. I also second the whole post, _everyone_ should try it at least once. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 12:05:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HG57bm021326; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:05:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HG56Zb021304; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:05:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:55:04 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: bet way to Skyline Drive? To: "Custer, Carl" Cc: "'DCCycles'" , "'Witold@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <3E9ECE58.7A77CFB0@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F145159F3@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> "Custer, Carl" wrote: > If you want to keep going . . . > There is a motorcycle campground just south of Floyd, VA that is excellent. > http://www.willvillebikecamp.com/ > > Farther south (it's like chips, once you get past Buena Vista, it's > difficult to stop) > In Cruso, NC there's the Blue Ridge Motorcycle Campground (The road off the > BRP is a gas) > > > > 'n if you go that far . . . the TWO in Suches, GA has got to be seen > http://www.twowheelsonly.com/ > Rt. 60 twixt Dahlonega and the Tennessee border is kewl as is 68 into > Tellico Plains. > Route 40, the Joe Brown Highway has its admirers. Took a trip last year down and back on the BRP and camped out at all 3 of those motorcycle-only campgrounds. I can't wait to do it again. Highly recommend all three. Oh yeah, the road was ok, too. Watch out if that detour is still in place. Wiped out on some pea gravel because the road detoured onto was falling apart. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 12:05:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HG57bm021329; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:05:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HG566O021310; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:05:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:59:04 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: bet way to Skyline Drive? To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3E9ECF48.4F8F7AF8@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <14e.1e0962a4.2bd028af@aol.com> PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > One word of caution, be carefull first time down (Or up) unlike the Parkway > which was built to be easy for flatlanders this road was built for local > traffic, you could run into your own ass if you are not carefull. Yep, some of those roads off the Parkway are twisty enough to see your own taillight. Try finding the BRMC in the dark some time. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 12:05:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HG5Obm021403; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:05:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HG5Ndn021397; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:05:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:05:14 EDT Subject: Re: bet way to Skyline Drive? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/17/2003 11:59:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > Yep, some of those roads off the Parkway are twisty > enough to see your own taillight. Had a road I used for riding to work that had 4 first gear 180deg corkscrew turns in just a couple of miles and _no_ traffic. There are roads around there that make the Dragon look boring. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 21:22:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3I1Mlbm006362; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:22:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3I1MkdT006347; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:22:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004e01c30548$fdbb7190$b850bc3f@COMPAQ> From: "Ivan S. Keefer" To: "ST1100 List" , "Honda Sport Touring Association" , "DC-Cycles List" , "Concours Owners Group" , "LDRider" Subject: Non-Moto: AN interesting way to deal with SPAM Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:22:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Viewers of TechTV and general web geeks may recognize Lockergnome and Chris Pirillo's byline: http://www.lockergnome.com/issues/daily/20030417.html Ivan "I'd rather be riding my motorcycle thinking about God than sitting in church thinking about my motorcycle..." Anon. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ivan S. Keefer STOC#3596 Bunker Hill, WV (motorcycles, Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., *sigh*) 1991 Honda ST1100 SSMST "STar Cruiser" AMA # 487634: http://www.ama-cycle.org/ HRCA: http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/ridersclub/index.html Teamsters: http://www.teamster.org/ Work: http://www.usfreightways.com/contents/redstar/rsel.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 21:22:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3I1Mvbm006397; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:22:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3I1MvXq006389; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:22:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.35.61.66] X-Originating-Email: [hotrivet@XXXXXX] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Cc: freecat@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 01:22:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2003 01:22:50.0333 (UTC) FILETIME=[06EB20D0:01C30549] Steve sez: I was born this way. How'd you get to be such an asshole? adam sez: you talkin' to me? and after a bit of contemplation and rumination retorts.... "years of practice" and adds that he was joking with Skip not Stephen.... who is a sensitive guy...except when he's talkin' about somebody elses sister. >Stephen Miller wrote: >>A couple of pics up at http://homepage.mac.com/freecat. > >your sister is hot! > >================================================================== > >Somebody had to say it.... how did you get so ugly? _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 17 23:28:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3I3Ssbm016624; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:28:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3I3Ss1t016614; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:28:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:29:04 -0400 Subject: Re: From: Stephen Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Let's pretend that everyone forgot to put smilie-faces after their insults. ;-) on 4/17/03 9:22 PM, Adam Wah at hotrivet@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > Steve sez: > > I was born this way. How'd you get to be such an asshole? > > adam sez: you talkin' to me? > > and after a bit of contemplation and rumination retorts.... > "years of practice" and adds that he was joking with Skip not Stephen.... > who is a sensitive guy...except when he's talkin' about somebody elses > sister. > >> Stephen Miller wrote: >>> A couple of pics up at http://homepage.mac.com/freecat. >> >> your sister is hot! >> >> ================================================================== >> >> Somebody had to say it.... how did you get so ugly? > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 07:51:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IBppbm024784; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 07:51:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IBpjZj024769; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 07:51:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E9FE690.DB0CF7F2@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 07:50:40 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: ATTN: Mechanics, former mechanics... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Like PenguinBiker? My latest issue of MCN has a "Mechanics Survey" form. MCN wishs to gather info of the state of wrenching on motorcycles and what can be done to improve the wrenching life. But alas, I'm not a mech or former mech. I turn wrenchs - yes - but anyone who has seen me work (Rufus! Where in hell's my good chisel. An' bring me the sledge while you're at it.) can attest that I'm not a professional. So if we have a working or former tech mech out there who doesn't get MCN, give me a shout and I'll give you the survey form. I can even make photocopies to deluge MCN with opinions. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 09:32:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IDWkbm000970; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:32:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IDWjde000960; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:32:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:32:02 -0400 Subject: Music on the bike From: Richard Westbrook To: DC-Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2003 13:32:43.0164 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD7AD5C0:01C305AE] I recently got an ipod and I'm trying to figure out a way to mount it to the bike. I would like something that is easily accessible so I can adjust the volume, change songs etc. I was thinking of the brackets made for radar detectors and the such but don't know if it will work since I have a Honda VFR which has no free space on the handle bars. Does anyone have any good tips, experience, or know of a good place to find some ideas? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 09:41:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IDfLbm008527; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:41:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IDfLTQ008512; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:41:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030418134104.5119.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 06:41:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Music on the bike To: Richard Westbrook , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Try looking into RAM mounts. They have all sorts of mounting options and you mix and match components of their brackets to get what you want. A google search should get you some websites of places that carry RAM products. I have a RAM mount that I use for my GPS, Smart Tag, and radar detector (only outside of VA of course ;-)). It fits the handlebar of my SV, but they also have stem-mounts for sportbikes and other options. I think you'd be able to fit one SOMEWHERE on your bike with all of their options available. You could also just carry it in the map pouch of a tank bag or a pocket of your riding jacket. Chris Weaver --- Richard Westbrook wrote: > I recently got an ipod and I'm trying to figure out > a way to mount it to the > bike. I would like something that is easily > accessible so I can adjust the > volume, change songs etc. I was thinking of the > brackets made for radar > detectors and the such but don't know if it will > work since I have a Honda > VFR which has no free space on the handle bars. > > Does anyone have any good tips, experience, or know > of a good place to find > some ideas? > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 09:48:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IDmWbm013276; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:48:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IDmWvJ013266; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:48:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA001D0.6D443BFE@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:46:56 -0400 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit His sister is still hot. Stephen Miller wrote: > > Let's pretend that everyone forgot to put smilie-faces after their insults. > ;-) > > on 4/17/03 9:22 PM, Adam Wah at hotrivet@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Steve sez: > > > > I was born this way. How'd you get to be such an asshole? > > > > adam sez: you talkin' to me? > > > > and after a bit of contemplation and rumination retorts.... > > "years of practice" and adds that he was joking with Skip not Stephen.... > > who is a sensitive guy...except when he's talkin' about somebody elses > > sister. > > > >> Stephen Miller wrote: > >>> A couple of pics up at http://homepage.mac.com/freecat. > >> > >> your sister is hot! > >> > >> ================================================================== > >> > >> Somebody had to say it.... how did you get so ugly? > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 09:50:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IDoJbm015690; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:50:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IDoJJe015684; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:50:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030418094009.021bd2c8@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:41:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Some motorcyclist's wish just came true Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/news/20030418p2a00m0dm002001c.html "A man has sustained minor burns to his hands after the driver's seat of his 2001-model ovloV S-60 suddenly caught fire as he was driving it, government officials said." ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 09:51:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IDpgbm023101; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:51:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IDpffv023094; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:51:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <2648570.1050673896111.JavaMail.nobody@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 06:51:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Wilson To: Richard Westbrook , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Music on the bike Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Rich, I have the RAM-Mount steering head mount for my GPS. Just pop out the plug in your steering stem. The RAM-Mount pops in and you tighten it with a hex key. They also offer a simple small flat platform that you can velcro any number of things to. The RAM-Mount is a well-built piece of equipment and rock solid. Highly recommended. I've got their web site up right now. Look at page 13 of their catalog for the platforms. The motorcycle mounts are on a separate page. www.ram-mount.com HTH, Paul in DC -------Original Message------- From: Richard Westbrook Sent: 04/18/03 09:32 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Music on the bike > > I recently got an ipod and I'm trying to figure out a way to mount it to the bike. I would like something that is easily accessible so I can adjust the volume, change songs etc. I was thinking of the brackets made for radar detectors and the such but don't know if it will work since I have a Honda VFR which has no free space on the handle bars. Does anyone have any good tips, experience, or know of a good place to find some ideas? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 09:58:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IDw9bm030145; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:58:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IDw9Mn030140; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:58:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Some motorcyclist's wish just came true Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:54:32 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030418094009.021bd2c8@mail.wheatintl.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030418094009.021bd2c8@mail.wheatintl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03041809543224.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 18 April 2003 09:41, Troutman wrote: > http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/news/20030418p2a00m0dm002001c.html > > "A man has sustained minor burns to his hands after the driver's seat of > his 2001-model ovloV S-60 suddenly caught fire as he was driving it, > government officials said." > Why was he droving his Volvo backwards? Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 10:05:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IE5Lbm032654; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:05:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IE5L3h032648; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:05:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] X-Originating-Email: [robkeiser@XXXXXX] From: "Rob Keiser" To: rwestbrook@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Music on the bike Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:04:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2003 14:04:58.0160 (UTC) FILETIME=[7ED3CB00:01C305B3] Rich, I just got a Ram Mount for the GPS on my '98 VFR, and I don't have the model right now at work, but I'll be glad to forward it to you from home tonight. It is a specific one that would mount to the two bolts that hold the front of the gas tank down. With longer bolts, the base unit would mount to that spot, and then any number of the "ball and socket" type of mounts will work. So far, it has been perfect and rock solid. I can also send a pic if you like. Let me know.. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Chris Weaver To: Richard Westbrook , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Music on the bike Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 06:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Try looking into RAM mounts. They have all sorts of mounting options and you mix and match components of their brackets to get what you want. A google search should get you some websites of places that carry RAM products. I have a RAM mount that I use for my GPS, Smart Tag, and radar detector (only outside of VA of course ;-)). It fits the handlebar of my SV, but they also have stem-mounts for sportbikes and other options. I think you'd be able to fit one SOMEWHERE on your bike with all of their options available. You could also just carry it in the map pouch of a tank bag or a pocket of your riding jacket. Chris Weaver --- Richard Westbrook wrote: > I recently got an ipod and I'm trying to figure out > a way to mount it to the > bike. I would like something that is easily > accessible so I can adjust the > volume, change songs etc. I was thinking of the > brackets made for radar > detectors and the such but don't know if it will > work since I have a Honda > VFR which has no free space on the handle bars. > > Does anyone have any good tips, experience, or know > of a good place to find > some ideas? > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 10:08:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IE8Sbm004951; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:08:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IE8SXM004944; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:08:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030418100807.021b4f08@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:08:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Some motorcyclist's wish just came true In-Reply-To: <03041809543224.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030418094009.021bd2c8@mail.wheatintl.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030418094009.021bd2c8@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed It is bad luck to type the name of the beast. At 09:54 AM 4/18/2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > > "A man has sustained minor burns to his hands after the driver's seat of > > his 2001-model ovloV S-60 suddenly caught fire as he was driving it, > > government officials said." > > > >Why was he droving his Volvo backwards? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 10:16:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IEG9bm012032; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:16:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IEG83O012022; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:16:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:16:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200304181016.AA205980308@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Some motorcyclist's wish just came true X-Mailer: from the article: ""This gas-like smell started to waft through the car and my thighs started feeling hot," the victim of the accident said. "This black patch appeared on the seat and started burning, so I flapped my hands to put it out and quickly stopped the car on the side of the road." Amagasaki firefighters said the blaze began inside the car's seat, traveled along heater circuits for seven centimeters and burned spongy parts." It was his HANDS that got burned? Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:41:24 -0400 >http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/news/20030418p2a00m0dm002001c.html > >"A man has sustained minor burns to his hands after the driver's seat of >his 2001-model ovloV S-60 suddenly caught fire as he was driving it, >government officials said." > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 10:17:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IEHWbm014438; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:17:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IEHWAJ014431; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:17:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Some motorcyclist's wish just came true Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:13:56 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030418094009.021bd2c8@mail.wheatintl.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030418100807.021b4f08@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030418100807.021b4f08@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03041810135627.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ahh. How about if you reply and it's spelled out? Does that double it for me or did I just infect you :-) Carl On Friday 18 April 2003 10:08, Troutman wrote: > It is bad luck to type the name of the beast. > > At 09:54 AM 4/18/2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > "A man has sustained minor burns to his hands after the driver's seat > > > of his 2001-model ovloV S-60 suddenly caught fire as he was driving it, > > > government officials said." > > > >Why was he droving his ovloV backwards? -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 10:18:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IEIRbm014497; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:18:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IEIQrS014493; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:18:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:18:39 -0400 Subject: Re: From: Stephen Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EA001D0.6D443BFE@tasam.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit She was 16 in that picture! on 4/18/03 9:46 AM, Skip at skip@XXXXXX wrote: > His sister is still hot. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 10:18:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IEIZbm014551; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:18:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IEIZhJ014545; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:18:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14515A0C@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'PenguinBiker@XXXXXX'" , "'horkster@XXXXXX'" , "'bdaleray@XXXXXX'" Subject: bet way to Skyline Drive? Geezer Passport Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:20:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Toto my" (The road off the BRP is a gas)" John added, "I second that emotion! A fun road, I rode it many times when I lived near there. One word of caution, be carefull first time down (Or up) unlike the Parkway which was built to be easy for flatlanders this road was built for local traffic, you could run into your own ass if you are not carefull." Dale quipped, "Yep, some of those roads off the Parkway are twisty enough to see your own taillight." A few years back when the boulder blocked the BRP near "Little Switzerland" some Yankees and I took the detours down to the valley and back up. This was funnier in person, cuz them Yankees tawk fuhnny but: At the bottom, the guy from Boston on a VFR said, "Wow, I need a cigarette." ('N he doesn't smoke :^). Back at the top, the Maine-iac remarked, "I thought I saw the back of my helmet . . . twice." PB: "I also second the whole post, _everyone_ should try it at least once." CC: Two snaps and a triple, "Uh Huh" but most will go back for more and more. Carl in Bethesda Brian Ray reported (benevolently) "I just bought the pass, and it was $50 plus a couple bucks for handling. see for more info. Woo Hoo thanks, thought I'd have to wait until 65. "Geezer Passport (for citizens or permanent residents of the United States who are age 62 or older) The Golden Age Passport is a lifetime entrance pass to national parks, monuments, historic sites, recreation areas, and national wildlife refuges that charge an entrance fee. The Golden Age Passport admits the pass signee and any accompanying passengers in a private* vehicle if a park has a per vehicle entrance fee. Where a per person entrance fee is charged, the Golden Age Passport admits the pass signee, spouse, children, and motorsickle gang members. " From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 11:06:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IF6sbm001253; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:06:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IF6s3M001243; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:06:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:06:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Traffic Camera lawsuit Message-ID: <20030418080607.X81433-100000@yes.devclue.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Some basta^H^H^H^H^Hlawyers are filing suit to have DC return all traffic-camera fines. http://www.talkleft.com/archives/002963.html#002963 Huh. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 11:20:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IFKEbm008886; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:20:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IFKEna008879; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:20:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200304181539.h3IFdPCo009492@kaneda.boo.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisagoddard@XXXXXX Subject: oops! Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:20:13 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 I got sort-of-kind-of pulled over this morning on Canal Road. No ticket! I think I will take my time leaving work today so the same officer will not still be on duty for my commute home! Lisa Goddard '95 VFR --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 11:36:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IFaubm016526; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:36:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IFaubG016518; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:36:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030418113431.021b4178@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:36:45 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit In-Reply-To: <20030418080607.X81433-100000@yes.devclue.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:06 AM 4/18/2003, Fish Flowers wrote: >Some basta^H^H^H^H^Hlawyers are filing suit to have DC return all >traffic-camera fines. > >http://www.talkleft.com/archives/002963.html#002963 I hope they win. Personal freedoms are getting thrown by the wayside. Red light cameras and photo radar are both just revenue generators under the guise of personal safety. At least DC admits that much. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 11:38:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IFcobm018947; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:38:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IFcnu7018938; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:38:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: oops! Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:37:00 -0500 Message-ID: <690FB8999359BF4DB292B658EA1514690A1F823F@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: oops! Thread-Index: AcMFwIOBdSfMVv8gRz+H3uGraqQS6Q== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h3IFcmbm018926 What were you doing??? Hmmm? Lane-splitting...? George >>> lisagoddard@XXXXXX 04/18/03 10:20AM >>> I got sort-of-kind-of pulled over this morning on Canal Road. No ticket! I think I will take my time leaving work today so the same officer will not still be on duty for my commute home! Lisa Goddard '95 VFR --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 12:45:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IGjYbm026818; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:45:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IGjXAP026808; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:45:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:45:08 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: rwestbrook@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Music on the bike MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <20C27470.0C6F9D9A.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I took the elastic/velcro armband off of my Sony Sport Walkman and hooked my MP3 player on it. It is stretchy enough to fit mid-way up on my leg. I can easily reach all the controls and I run the headset cord inside my jacket. Also works good since you don't have to disconnect anything when you get off the bike. You should be able to buy a good piece of elastic strap and some velcro to make your own for just a couple bucks. YMMV. Scooter In a message dated 4/18/2003 8:32:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, rwestbrook@XXXXXX writes: > > > I recently got an ipod and I'm trying to figure out a way to mount it to the > bike. I would like something that is easily accessible so I can adjust the > volume, change songs etc. I was thinking of the brackets made for radar > detectors and the such but don't know if it will work since I have a Honda > VFR which has no free space on the handle bars. > > Does anyone have any good tips, experience, or know of a > good place to find > some ideas? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 13:47:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IHl3bm032274; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:47:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IHl0Gk032259; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:47:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Frame or Check Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:43:24 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0304181343242D.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was supposed to get my new frame (http://www.schelin.org/chopper) at the end of January. After several e-mails and then no reply to an e-mail, my last message was just me giving up. I told him to either give me a reasonable status on the frame, or if he hadn't started, to just refund the money. I don't relish paying two or three times what he was asking (and shipping is included) but I didn't want the money to disappear when we move either. I sent the message yesterday and have received a quick reply. The problem is it's not clear. He's sending it via Airborne on Monday and will e-mail me the tracking number. But this is unclear enough that it could be the frame or the check (I assume it's frame; I can't imagine a reason to airborne the check). Here's hoping. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 14:00:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3II0Pbm007439; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:00:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3II0PjS007428; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:00:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA03D00.320709D5@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:59:28 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: JB Weld? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Never used it. Usually use Marine Tex when fixing dings and such on my outboards, but I seem to recall bikers raving about JB Weld for fixing dings in cast aluminum. So does it work really well? Can it be sanded/ground to a paintable surface? Swap ya tips - how to fix a broken nipple on a windshield washer/ coolant resevior. These are usually milky plastic of the propylene family, and they laugh at normal adhesives. The secret is super glue. Now just tacking the hose nipple on with super glue don't work for diddly. The secret sauce - baking soda. Yeppers, tack the nipple on then pack baking soda in a radius around the break and dribble super glue on it. Hint - don't get your face too close. You'll see the SG soak in and then *POOF* big puffa smoke! It's fairly noxious eye teary stuff. The result is concrete, the baking soda gets hard as a rock, nipple on, problem solved. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 14:25:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IIPDbm015224; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:25:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IIPDlu015214; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:25:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: JB Weld? Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:21:27 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3EA03D00.320709D5@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3EA03D00.320709D5@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0304181421272E.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 18 April 2003 13:59, William J. Huson wrote: > Swap ya tips - how to fix a broken nipple on a windshield washer/ > coolant resevior. These are usually milky plastic of the propylene > family, and they laugh at normal adhesives. The secret is super glue. > Now just tacking the hose nipple on with super glue don't work for > diddly. The secret sauce - baking soda. Yeppers, tack the nipple on > then pack baking soda in a radius around the break and dribble super > glue on it. Hint - don't get your face too close. You'll see the SG > soak in and then *POOF* big puffa smoke! It's fairly noxious eye teary > stuff. The result is concrete, the baking soda gets hard as a rock, > nipple on, problem solved. > You have a windshield wiper on your hawg? Damn, I knew I should have checked the poser box when I ordered mine. > Bill I dropped mine off last night for the $360 oil change (10k checkup) and added the Stage I and new pipes. My wife ribbed me about getting poser points for buying the pipes :-) Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 14:47:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IIlbbm020208; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:47:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IIlbfg020198; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:47:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: Frame or Check Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:45:00 -0500 Message-ID: <690FB8999359BF4DB292B658EA1514690A230692@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Frame or Check Thread-Index: AcMF2u87InjKu2/GRiueGJgyVHtotg== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h3IIlabm020186 Sounds to me like he is sending a check via Airborne. >>> Carl Schelin 04/18/03 01:43PM >>> >>He's sending it via Airborne on Monday and will e-mail me the tracking number. But this is unclear enough that it could be the frame or the check>> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 15:01:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IJ11bm027382; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:01:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IJ1108027372; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:01:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1d2.7bd7889.2bd1a55d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:00:45 EDT Subject: Re: JB Weld? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/18/2003 2:25:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > You have a windshield wiper on your hawg? Damn, I knew I should have checked > the poser box when I ordered mine. Posers do not ride in the rain....#:-) > John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 15:24:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IJOMbm032367; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:24:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IJOMII032357; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:24:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: JB Weld? Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:20:44 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <1d2.7bd7889.2bd1a55d@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1d2.7bd7889.2bd1a55d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0304181520442H.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 18 April 2003 15:00, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 4/18/2003 2:25:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > You have a windshield wiper on your hawg? Damn, I knew I should have > > checked > > > the poser box when I ordered mine. > > Posers do not ride in the rain....#:-) > > Yea but you can still check the box. Whether you continue to pose after getting the poser addons is a different story. Do posers have heated gloves and jacket liners? > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 15:44:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IJi1bm004891; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:44:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IJi1wd004881; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:44:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <180.18f1b2fd.2bd1af73@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:43:47 EDT Subject: Re: JB Weld? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/18/2003 3:24:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > Do posers have heated gloves and jacket liners? Yea. They keep em in the front coat closet where company will have to see them. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 15:46:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IJkXbm009626; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:46:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IJkWFE009618; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:46:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA055E0.19FEBEFB@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:45:36 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: JB Weld? References: <180.18f1b2fd.2bd1af73@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 4/18/2003 3:24:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > Do posers have heated gloves and jacket liners? > > Yea. > They keep em in the front coat closet where company will have to see them. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Along with a GoreTex rainsuit! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 16:21:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IKLXbm014883; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:21:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IKLWnL014873; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:21:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <4126897.1050697287591.JavaMail.nobody@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:20:48 -0400 (EDT) From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: JB Weld? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Don't about fixing dings in aluminum, but I use JB Weld to "weld" and "form" broken plastic stuff. I made a fairing mounting tab from bits of plastic and JB Weld. No complaints and no problems. Stuff seems pretty strong. And yes, it can be sanded and painted. Chuck -------Original Message------- From: "William J. Huson" Sent: 04/18/03 01:59 PM To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: JB Weld? > > Never used it. Usually use Marine Tex when fixing dings and such on my outboards, but I seem to recall bikers raving about JB Weld for fixing dings in cast aluminum. So does it work really well? Can it be sanded/ground to a paintable surface? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 16:51:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IKp2bm017672; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:51:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IKp1NV017660; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:51:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:50:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Robert Easton To: DC-Cycles Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030418113431.021b4178@mail.troutman.org> Message-Id: <71FB1C08-71DF-11D7-A50A-0050E4D0D26A@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Just remember a traffic ticket (other than parking) is a moving violation and therefore they need to ticket a person, not a vehicle, so if you have a full faced helmet, how can they prove it's you? I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like these tickets should be pretty easy to get out of if you are one a bike. i know in Germany they use Photo radar a lot and they don't even bother sending out the tickets for bikes On Friday, April 18, 2003, at 11:36 AM, Troutman wrote: > At 11:06 AM 4/18/2003, Fish Flowers wrote: >> Some basta^H^H^H^H^Hlawyers are filing suit to have DC return all >> traffic-camera fines. >> >> http://www.talkleft.com/archives/002963.html#002963 > > I hope they win. Personal freedoms are getting thrown by the wayside. > Red light > cameras and photo radar are both just revenue generators under the > guise of personal > safety. At least DC admits that much. -- Robert "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Benjamin Franklin) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 17:04:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IL4Ybm020261; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:04:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IL4Xid020246; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:04:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:04:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit In-Reply-To: <71FB1C08-71DF-11D7-A50A-0050E4D0D26A@mac.com> Message-ID: <20030418135924.K89451-100000@yes.devclue.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Robert Easton wrote: > Just remember a traffic ticket (other than parking) is a moving > violation and therefore they need to ticket a person, not a vehicle, so > if you have a full faced helmet, how can they prove it's you? They can't -- but they don't need to. If you deny that you were driving the vehicle, they force you to submit proof that someone else _was_. I got a photo-radar ticket (in my cage) a year or so ago. I paid. That is not why I dislike traffic cameras; I view them as a breach of privacy by a flagrantly-corrupt bureaucracy which cloaks its money-grubbing tactics in the guise of public safety. My hatred for traffic cameras is exceeded only by my loathing of the French. Luckily, I no longer commute through DC. Fish. except for that bit on the woodrow wilson bridge From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 17:17:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3ILHgbm022809; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:17:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3ILHfvJ022794; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:17:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030418211739.68406.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:17:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit To: Robert Easton , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <71FB1C08-71DF-11D7-A50A-0050E4D0D26A@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm not sure about this. Don't they legally presume that the registered owner of the bike is the rider, forcing you to show otherwise if that wasn't true? jib --- Robert Easton wrote: > Just remember a traffic ticket (other than parking) > is a moving > violation and therefore they need to ticket a > person, not a vehicle, so > if you have a full faced helmet, how can they prove > it's you? I'm not a > lawyer, but it seems like these tickets should be > pretty easy to get > out of if you are one a bike. i know in Germany they > use Photo radar a > lot and they don't even bother sending out the > tickets for bikes > > > On Friday, April 18, 2003, at 11:36 AM, Troutman > wrote: > > > At 11:06 AM 4/18/2003, Fish Flowers wrote: > >> Some basta^H^H^H^H^Hlawyers are filing suit to > have DC return all > >> traffic-camera fines. > >> > >> > http://www.talkleft.com/archives/002963.html#002963 > > > > I hope they win. Personal freedoms are getting > thrown by the wayside. > > Red light > > cameras and photo radar are both just revenue > generators under the > > guise of personal > > safety. At least DC admits that much. > -- > Robert > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a > little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." > (Benjamin Franklin) > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 17:44:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3ILiXbm025553; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:44:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3ILiXjD025543; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:44:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001e01c305f3$ac770960$6400a8c0@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: "DC-Cycles" References: <20030418211739.68406.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:44:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c26094ae27b9b3cf869e655a01337d7ac183b387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > I'm not sure about this. Don't they legally presume > that the registered owner of the bike is the rider, > forcing you to show otherwise if that wasn't true? Yup - if you can prove that you weren't the person driving the vehicle... Pretty hard to do, unless you were out of town or could otherwise account for your presence elsewhere at the time. The presumption is that you are responsible for your vehicle and if it isn't you, then you know who it was. It's still presumption of guilt - so far, it's held up in courts. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 18:09:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IM99bm028273; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:09:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IM99QN028263; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:09:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E49372@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Traffic Camera lawsuit Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:19:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, what the hell happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" Shouldn't the burden of proof be on the prosecution to show the registered owner was the driver at the time of the infraction? The fact that the DC courts have passed this responsibility on to the defendant should not hold up in a higher court, should the process be tested for constitutionality. The fact that this has continued on this far and so many people have rolled over is appalling. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jordan [SMTP:mjordan812@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 5:44 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit > > > I'm not sure about this. Don't they legally presume > > that the registered owner of the bike is the rider, > > forcing you to show otherwise if that wasn't true? > > Yup - if you can prove that you weren't the person driving the vehicle... > > Pretty hard to do, unless you were out of town or could otherwise account > for your presence elsewhere at the time. The presumption is that you are > responsible for your vehicle and if it isn't you, then you know who it > was. > > It's still presumption of guilt - so far, it's held up in courts. > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 18:18:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3IMIVbm030819; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:18:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3IMIUBP030809; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:18:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003301c305f8$6cd4cea0$6400a8c0@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: "DC-Cycles" References: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E49372@SERVER2> Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:18:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c2609fce14e3643f6b34c36d6362ee519a926a2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > Yeah, what the hell happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" Shouldn't > the burden of proof be on the prosecution to show the registered owner was > the driver at the time of the infraction? The fact that the DC courts have > passed this responsibility on to the defendant should not hold up in a > higher court, should the process be tested for constitutionality. Ah yes, the presumption of innocence... Pretty much got tossed out with the bathwater in the feeding frenzy of revenue that the cameras bring in. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 19:27:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3INRlbm007895; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:27:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3INRjkS007885; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:27:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E9F6F3C.79D528D9@carlparker.com> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:21:32 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: re: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Skip sed: >His sister is still hot. Yup. Sho' iz! Yes yes yes I'd say that' irrefutable...even if she is someone's sister! :) Carl who is also Carl who calls it like he see's it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 18 21:35:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3J1Z1bm011395; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 21:35:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3J1Yxgj011379; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 21:34:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030419013457.26947.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:34:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Traffic Camera lawsuit To: Michael Lynch , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E49372@SERVER2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You guys are right to be worried about this. However, rather than just look at something that may potentially impact your pocketbook, I suggest you take a look at Patriot Act II (or I for that matter) for some chilling abdication of such constitutional guarantees. Way more serious than a traffic ticket too. --- Michael Lynch wrote: > Yeah, what the hell happened to "innocent until > proven guilty?" Shouldn't > the burden of proof be on the prosecution to show > the registered owner was > the driver at the time of the infraction? The fact > that the DC courts have > passed this responsibility on to the defendant > should not hold up in a > higher court, should the process be tested for > constitutionality. > > The fact that this has continued on this far and so > many people have rolled > over is appalling. > > Mike > 96 VFR > 88 Hawk > 76 CB400F > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Jordan > [SMTP:mjordan812@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 5:44 PM > > To: DC-Cycles > > Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit > > > > > I'm not sure about this. Don't they legally > presume > > > that the registered owner of the bike is the > rider, > > > forcing you to show otherwise if that wasn't > true? > > > > Yup - if you can prove that you weren't the person > driving the vehicle... > > > > Pretty hard to do, unless you were out of town or > could otherwise account > > for your presence elsewhere at the time. The > presumption is that you are > > responsible for your vehicle and if it isn't you, > then you know who it > > was. > > > > It's still presumption of guilt - so far, it's > held up in courts. > > > > Michael J. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 00:50:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3J4o4bm014715; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:50:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3J4o2NZ014705; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:50:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Rob Sharp" To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 23:50:37 -0500 Message-Id: <20030419044311.M64345@sharpie.org> In-Reply-To: <20030418080607.X81433-100000@yes.devclue.com> References: <20030418080607.X81433-100000@yes.devclue.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.90 20030212 X-OriginatingIP: 68.49.31.41 (rob@XXXXXX) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I worked with someone who developed the traffic camera system in San Deigo (I think). He told me they are pretty much a self defeating system. The systems have a bit of overhead to operate. They require someone to go to the cameras and pick up the film, someone to develop them, someone to send out tickets, ect ect. This cost it covered by tickets and there is definetly money left over. So the money from tickets is used to support the systems right? However they work so well at curbing red light runners and speeders that ticket revenue drops off signifigantly after a while. The systems start to actually lose money and require funding from another source. Thats when they usually get discontinued or require outside funding. I think people are dead right they were designed for a revenue source. I think it's just kinda ironic that they end up costing the gov't money in the end. Well except we all fund the gov't via taxes :) Rob On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:06:52 -0700 (PDT), Fish Flowers wrote > Some basta^H^H^H^H^Hlawyers are filing suit to have DC return all > traffic-camera fines. > > http://www.talkleft.com/archives/002963.html#002963 > > Huh. > > Fish. -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 00:52:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3J4qubm017121; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:52:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3J4qusX017111; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:52:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Rob Sharp" To: Isaac Blanck , Robert Easton , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 23:53:29 -0500 Message-Id: <20030419045133.M38831@sharpie.org> In-Reply-To: <20030418211739.68406.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <71FB1C08-71DF-11D7-A50A-0050E4D0D26A@mac.com> <20030418211739.68406.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.90 20030212 X-OriginatingIP: 68.49.31.41 (rob@XXXXXX) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Isn't it the job of the prosecution to provide evidence to prove your guilt? Proving your not driving the bike seem the other way around. Rob On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:17:39 -0700 (PDT), Isaac Blanck wrote > I'm not sure about this. Don't they legally presume > that the registered owner of the bike is the rider, > forcing you to show otherwise if that wasn't true? > jib > --- Robert Easton wrote: > > Just remember a traffic ticket (other than parking) > > is a moving > > violation and therefore they need to ticket a > > person, not a vehicle, so > > if you have a full faced helmet, how can they prove > > it's you? I'm not a > > lawyer, but it seems like these tickets should be > > pretty easy to get > > out of if you are one a bike. i know in Germany they > > use Photo radar a > > lot and they don't even bother sending out the > > tickets for bikes > > > > > > On Friday, April 18, 2003, at 11:36 AM, Troutman > > wrote: > > > > > At 11:06 AM 4/18/2003, Fish Flowers wrote: > > >> Some basta^H^H^H^H^Hlawyers are filing suit to > > have DC return all > > >> traffic-camera fines. > > >> > > >> > > http://www.talkleft.com/archives/002963.html#002963 > > > > > > I hope they win. Personal freedoms are getting > > thrown by the wayside. > > > Red light > > > cameras and photo radar are both just revenue > > generators under the > > > guise of personal > > > safety. At least DC admits that much. > > -- > > Robert > > > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a > > little temporary > > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." > > (Benjamin Franklin) > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 07:01:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JB1Jbm023833; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 07:01:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JB1Hxj023823; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 07:01:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA12C3D.9CCB0335@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 07:00:13 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: Michael Lynch , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit References: <20030419013457.26947.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > You guys are right to be worried about this. However, > rather than just look at something that may > potentially impact your pocketbook, I suggest you take > a look at Patriot Act II (or I for that matter) for > some chilling abdication of such constitutional > guarantees. Way more serious than a traffic ticket > too. Dang skippy! I wonder what John ASScroft's plan is - to have us curtsey like subjects before a monarch, snap off a Nazi salute and shout "Sieg Heil!", or drop pants and bend ovah for an anal probe which will determine if we've been consuming terrorist type cuisine. Won't be long before a mere trip to the grocery store will require us to carry "papers" to show the Men in Black. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 08:53:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JCrqbm029980; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 08:53:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JCrobn029973; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 08:53:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA146A4.1AF7C730@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 08:52:52 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Dodge motorcycle Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was on Today this AM. Jeez-o-flip, whadda monster! Of course the sales squib fired it up - varoom varoom. The front wheels change vertical relationship to compensate for lean. Good grief, the linkage must be an engineering nightmare. If this 500 HP V-10 monster ever hits the street it will need a fuel truck to follow it. The question remains - what were they thinking at Dodge? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 09:01:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JD1jbm002752; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:01:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JD1iHJ002740; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:01:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030419090027.02ad4e48@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:01:37 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Dodge motorcycle In-Reply-To: <3EA146A4.1AF7C730@patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:52 AM 4/19/2003, William J. Huson wrote: >It was on Today this AM. Jeez-o-flip, whadda monster! Of course >the >sales squib fired it up - varoom varoom. The front wheels change >vertical relationship to compensate for lean. Good grief, the >linkage >must be an engineering nightmare. If this 500 HP V-10 monster ever >hits >the street it will need a fuel truck to follow it. The question >remains >- what were they thinking at Dodge? > >Bill I read that if it goes into production, it'll be over a hundred grand and have a top speed of 400mph. yeesh...can you imagine what the insurance premium for a 20 yo kid would be for one of those monsters? Would be kinda cool to own one though. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 09:18:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JDIjbm010078; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:18:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JDIj6C010068; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:18:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <198.18fe0615.2bd2a694@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:18:12 EDT Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/18/2003 5:04:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > I dislike traffic cameras; I view them as a breach of privacy by a > flagrantly-corrupt bureaucracy which cloaks its money-grubbing tactics in > the guise of public safety. Wish I had said that, that way. Short, to the point, correct. Real purty. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 09:26:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JDQvbm012516; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:26:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JDQv1q012509; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:26:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030419132649.91244.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 06:26:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030418080607.X81433-100000@yes.devclue.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i love it. i suppose those basta^H^H^H^H^Hlawyers are using the citizens who ACTIVELY SOUGHT THEIR ASSISTANCE as puppets? you can't file suit in this country unless you satisfy constitutional criteria for doing so. unless the lawyers were the ones who were ticketed, this is someone else's case. jesus. --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Some basta^H^H^H^H^Hlawyers are filing suit to have DC > return all > traffic-camera fines. > > http://www.talkleft.com/archives/002963.html#002963 > > Huh. > > Fish. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 09:30:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JDUAbm017535; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:30:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JDUAoN017528; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:30:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000a01c30677$c93feab0$6400a8c0@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: <3EA146A4.1AF7C730@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Dodge motorcycle Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:30:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c260908f63e4a1de3ae2f8f854e19f941925f93caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > The question remains - what were they thinking at Dodge? They wanted to get your attention. They appear to have succeeded. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 09:32:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JDWWbm019974; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:32:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JDWVxc019961; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:32:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a601c30678$2819fda0$0a0110ac@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Tom Gimer" , "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: <20030419132649.91244.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:32:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Plaintiffs are a Howard U. student and a cab company. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" To: "Fish Flowers" ; "DC-Cycles" Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit > i love it. i suppose those basta^H^H^H^H^Hlawyers are > using the citizens who ACTIVELY SOUGHT THEIR ASSISTANCE as > puppets? > > you can't file suit in this country unless you satisfy > constitutional criteria for doing so. unless the lawyers > were the ones who were ticketed, this is someone else's > case. jesus. > > > > --- Fish Flowers wrote: > > Some basta^H^H^H^H^Hlawyers are filing suit to have DC > > return all > > traffic-camera fines. > > > > http://www.talkleft.com/archives/002963.html#002963 > > > > Huh. > > > > Fish. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 09:32:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JDWWbm019977; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:32:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JDWVn1019967; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:32:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 06:32:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit In-Reply-To: <20030419132649.91244.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030419062742.Q38890-100000@yes.devclue.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > i love it. i suppose those basta^H^H^H^H^Hlawyers are using the > citizens who ACTIVELY SOUGHT THEIR ASSISTANCE as puppets? How did I know I was going to get angry email from Gimer about this? Gimer, it was just a lawyer joke. If it makes you feel any better, I don't think lawyers are the lowest scum of the earth -- you're right, the current vast swarm of locusts, umm, lawyers overrunning the earth exist only because we're a freaking weird and litigious society. Not your fault, any more than the single mom trying to make a living as a telemarketer is evil. But you gotta admit you're an easy target... Anyway, on bikes: I had hoped to spend today recleaning my carbs, since apparently I mucked it up last time. Nobody to sue for that but my own dumb self. *sigh* Actually, I think the starter might have gone kaput as well -- sometimes when I hit the start button, instead of the *whickawhickawhicka* of the engine failing to catch, I get a *bzzzzz* sound from the little cylindrical doohickey which is normally hidden under the starboard fairing. That's the starter, right? How much do they generally run? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 09:55:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JDtpbm002300; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:55:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JDtohn002290; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:55:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1df.71bdf40.2bd2af5f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:55:43 EDT Subject: Re: Dodge motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/19/2003 8:54:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Good grief, the linkage > must be an engineering nightmare. Actually one of the major motorcycle magazines did a write up on a two rear wheel bike someone had built himself. The linkage was not all that complex. My problem with it was Why? For the life of me I could not come up with a reason for it. Still can see no advantage to it except on a bike that absurdly heavy you would not have to lift it off the sidestand. But it looks wicked. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC The guy who coined the term "Safety First" is DEAD. Take the hint. Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 10:01:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JE1Kbm007204; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:01:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JE1JEE007194; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:01:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030419140057.55990.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 07:00:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030419062742.Q38890-100000@yes.devclue.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Fish Flowers wrote: > On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > i love it. i suppose those basta^H^H^H^H^Hlawyers are > using the > > citizens who ACTIVELY SOUGHT THEIR ASSISTANCE as > puppets? > > How did I know I was going to get angry email from Gimer > about this? > > Gimer, it was just a lawyer joke. If it makes you feel > any better, I don't > think lawyers are the lowest scum of the earth -- you're > right, the > current vast swarm of locusts, umm, lawyers overrunning > the earth exist > only because we're a freaking weird and litigious > society. Not your fault, > any more than the single mom trying to make a living as a > telemarketer is > evil. > > But you gotta admit you're an easy target... ? i handle commercial (and some consumer) transactions, resolve business disputes, and assist with corporate formations, formalities, etc. look for your easy target elsewhere. oh, good luck with the bike. keep poking at it aimlessly and it'll likely start. ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 10:02:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JE24bm007252; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:02:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JE24F3007248; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:02:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1d1.7b02474.2bd2b0d6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:01:58 EDT Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/18/2003 4:51:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rgeaston@XXXXXX writes: > therefore they need to ticket a person, not a vehicle, Yea, by law. But the camera is behind you, even in a car they cannot identify the driver. This is "revenue enhancement" plain and simple. A speed trap plain and simple, illegal, unethical, crooked. Short yellows, long reds, absurdly low speeds. There is little chance any money will ever be refunded, but these cameras should be thrown in the trash where they belong. But I am not bitter..... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 10:03:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JE3Sbm012059; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:03:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JE3RC6012051; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:03:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1e2.719b7e4.2bd2b124@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:03:16 EDT Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/18/2003 5:18:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thelostshark@XXXXXX writes: > Don't they legally presume > that the registered owner of the bike is the rider, > forcing you to show otherwise if that wasn't true? YES! And that is the problem. Forcing you to prove your innocence. Presumption of guilt. Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? These bastards have it backwards. These guys are wiping their asses with the constitution and the very folks who would raise hell if they did it to a flag (a symbol) sit by while they do it to the constitution (the reality) But I am not bitter..... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 10:26:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JEQEbm021920; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:26:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JEQDad021910; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:26:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:26:58 -0400 From: Shigeru Honda Subject: Re: M St Parking To: rich hall Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: shonda@XXXXXX Message-id: <3EA15CB2.43D252E1@attglobal.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [ja] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: ja References: I park on Jefferson and that spot is getting crowded these days... It was empty during the winter time... SuperHawk -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ rich hall wrote: > > Where's everyone that used to park at M & 18th parking nowadays? > Damn its annoying how they only tell you a week at a time that there's no > parking. > They threw up a sign over on Jefferson so bikes couldn't block the dumpster > there, limiting that spot. > I'm down at G & 18th today. > Work at 17th & L. > In addition to 1700 M St, I'd say 1800 H and 1800 I parking from the list > don't exist. > Thanks, > Rich > 94 Seca II (FS) > 02 SVS > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 10:26:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JEQdbm021972; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:26:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JEQd8W021967; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:26:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030419142622.35347.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 07:26:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1e2.719b7e4.2bd2b124@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii we're back to the right v. privilege issue. if driving/riding on public roads is an inalienable right, your points are valid. but it isn't. nobody is being forced to prove their innocence. in fact, there isn't even a conviction involved! now, for the record i'm absolutely against traffic cameras of all types.... but they're hardly "wiping their asses with the consitution". my bet is that the current challenge has more to do with the _parties_ who are sharing in the revenue than the legality of the camera system itself. for those of you who would also claim a right to loaning your vehicle to whomever you want at any time, i suggest you look into the issue of negligent entrustment (a concept that has been around for, well, let's just say a long friggin time). --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 4/18/2003 5:18:08 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > thelostshark@XXXXXX writes: > > > Don't they legally presume > > that the registered owner of the bike is the rider, > > forcing you to show otherwise if that wasn't true? > > YES! And that is the problem. > Forcing you to prove your innocence. Presumption of > guilt. > Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? These > bastards have it backwards. > These guys are wiping their asses with the constitution > and the very folks > who would raise hell if they did it to a flag (a symbol) > sit by while they do > it to the constitution (the reality) > But I am not bitter..... > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 10:36:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JEaGbm031751; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:36:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JEaGvx031741; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:36:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030419143613.24448.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 07:36:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030419140057.55990.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please. You are a bottom sucker like most lawyers from mediocre law schools >From you website you seem to go for all usual money-grabbers: Insurance: Automobile Insurance; Condominium Insurance; Excess Insurance; General Liability Insurance; Homeowners Insurance; Insurance Coverage Litigation; Insurance Disputes; Umbrella Insurance Personal Injury and Property Damage: Automobile Accidents; Bodily Injury; Motorcycle Accidents; Property Damage; Wrongful Death Torts: Assault; Battery; Employment-Related Torts; False Imprisonment; Fraud and Deceit; Malicious Prosecution; Negligence; Premises Liability --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Fish Flowers wrote: > > On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > i love it. i suppose those > basta^H^H^H^H^Hlawyers are > > using the > > > citizens who ACTIVELY SOUGHT THEIR ASSISTANCE as > > puppets? > > > > How did I know I was going to get angry email from > Gimer > > about this? > > > > Gimer, it was just a lawyer joke. If it makes you > feel > > any better, I don't > > think lawyers are the lowest scum of the earth -- > you're > > right, the > > current vast swarm of locusts, umm, lawyers > overrunning > > the earth exist > > only because we're a freaking weird and litigious > > society. Not your fault, > > any more than the single mom trying to make a > living as a > > telemarketer is > > evil. > > > > But you gotta admit you're an easy target... > > ? i handle commercial (and some consumer) > transactions, > resolve business disputes, and assist with corporate > formations, formalities, etc. look for your easy > target > elsewhere. > > oh, good luck with the bike. keep poking at it > aimlessly > and it'll likely start. ;) > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 10:37:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JEbabm004223; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:37:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JEbZUv004216; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:37:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1e1.71eeb0d.2bd2b927@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:37:27 EDT Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/19/2003 10:27:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > in fact, there isn't even > a conviction involved! Do not care one whit what you call it, It is a conviction. You supposedly broke a law, you have your day in court (if you "want" one) You have been convicted of breaking a law. Calling it something else does not change that. BTW I am not anti lawyer I am anti dirty bastard BAD lawyers. Plenty of those to go around, no need to harass the "locals" #:-) > John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 10:44:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JEidbm009151; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:44:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JEiduT009141; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:44:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030419144431.61032.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 07:44:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit To: Mark Kitchell , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030419143613.24448.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ah, welcome, shithead! it is clear you didn't bother to read MY bio. had you done so, and had you not convenienty cut out MY practice areas from that page, perhaps then you would look like less of an asshole. thanks for the publicity though.... mark was kind enough to provided SOME of the text from http://www.murphygimer.com -- or was it www.lawyers.com/murphygimerlaw ? --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Please. You are a bottom sucker like most lawyers > from mediocre law schools > > From you website you seem to go for all usual > money-grabbers: > > Insurance: Automobile Insurance; Condominium > Insurance; Excess Insurance; General Liability > Insurance; Homeowners Insurance; Insurance Coverage > Litigation; Insurance Disputes; Umbrella Insurance > > Personal Injury and Property Damage: Automobile > Accidents; Bodily Injury; Motorcycle Accidents; > Property Damage; Wrongful Death > > Torts: Assault; Battery; Employment-Related Torts; > False Imprisonment; Fraud and Deceit; Malicious > Prosecution; Negligence; Premises Liability > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- Fish Flowers wrote: > > > On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > > > i love it. i suppose those > > basta^H^H^H^H^Hlawyers are > > > using the > > > > citizens who ACTIVELY SOUGHT THEIR ASSISTANCE as > > > puppets? > > > > > > How did I know I was going to get angry email from > > Gimer > > > about this? > > > > > > Gimer, it was just a lawyer joke. If it makes you > > feel > > > any better, I don't > > > think lawyers are the lowest scum of the earth -- > > you're > > > right, the > > > current vast swarm of locusts, umm, lawyers > > overrunning > > > the earth exist > > > only because we're a freaking weird and litigious > > > society. Not your fault, > > > any more than the single mom trying to make a > > living as a > > > telemarketer is > > > evil. > > > > > > But you gotta admit you're an easy target... > > > > ? i handle commercial (and some consumer) > > transactions, > > resolve business disputes, and assist with corporate > > formations, formalities, etc. look for your easy > > target > > elsewhere. > > > > oh, good luck with the bike. keep poking at it > > aimlessly > > and it'll likely start. ;) > > > > > > -- > > tg > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 10:50:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JEoZbm014094; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:50:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JEoYBF014084; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:50:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030419145032.23226.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 07:50:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030419144431.61032.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good morning carwash cunt! It came straight from you firm practice area page. http://www.murphygimer.com/pages/501575/index.htm First, there is nothing stating WHOSE practice area that is from. And second, you are one of the two layers in the firm. The guy who works at Coleman's but only cleans the bathroom STILL works at Coleman's! --- Tom Gimer wrote: > ah, welcome, shithead! > > it is clear you didn't bother to read MY bio. had > you done > so, and had you not convenienty cut out MY practice > areas > from that page, perhaps then you would look like > less of an > asshole. > > thanks for the publicity though.... mark was kind > enough > to provided SOME of the text from > http://www.murphygimer.com -- or was it > www.lawyers.com/murphygimerlaw ? > > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Please. You are a bottom sucker like most lawyers > > from mediocre law schools > > > > From you website you seem to go for all usual > > money-grabbers: > > > > Insurance: Automobile Insurance; Condominium > > Insurance; Excess Insurance; General Liability > > Insurance; Homeowners Insurance; Insurance > Coverage > > Litigation; Insurance Disputes; Umbrella Insurance > > > > Personal Injury and Property Damage: Automobile > > Accidents; Bodily Injury; Motorcycle Accidents; > > Property Damage; Wrongful Death > > > > Torts: Assault; Battery; Employment-Related Torts; > > False Imprisonment; Fraud and Deceit; Malicious > > Prosecution; Negligence; Premises Liability > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > --- Fish Flowers wrote: > > > > On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > > > > > i love it. i suppose those > > > basta^H^H^H^H^Hlawyers are > > > > using the > > > > > citizens who ACTIVELY SOUGHT THEIR > ASSISTANCE as > > > > puppets? > > > > > > > > How did I know I was going to get angry email > from > > > Gimer > > > > about this? > > > > > > > > Gimer, it was just a lawyer joke. If it makes > you > > > feel > > > > any better, I don't > > > > think lawyers are the lowest scum of the earth > -- > > > you're > > > > right, the > > > > current vast swarm of locusts, umm, lawyers > > > overrunning > > > > the earth exist > > > > only because we're a freaking weird and > litigious > > > > society. Not your fault, > > > > any more than the single mom trying to make a > > > living as a > > > > telemarketer is > > > > evil. > > > > > > > > But you gotta admit you're an easy target... > > > > > > ? i handle commercial (and some consumer) > > > transactions, > > > resolve business disputes, and assist with > corporate > > > formations, formalities, etc. look for your > easy > > > target > > > elsewhere. > > > > > > oh, good luck with the bike. keep poking at it > > > aimlessly > > > and it'll likely start. ;) > > > > > > > > > -- > > > tg > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 11:03:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JF33bm019149; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:03:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JF32fC019139; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:03:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA164EC.4F64C2A2@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:02:05 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit References: <20030419062742.Q38890-100000@yes.devclue.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > Actually, I think the starter might have gone kaput as well -- sometimes > when I hit the start button, instead of the *whickawhickawhicka* of the > engine failing to catch, I get a *bzzzzz* sound from the little > cylindrical doohickey which is normally hidden under the starboard > fairing. That's the starter, right? How much do they generally run? > > Fish. No, methinks that would be the starter soleniod, an electric device that receives a low amp currant and closes a switch to convey the mega-amps to the starter. It goes *bzzzz* when your battery is so flat it won't even kick the soleniod over. Charge the battery or replace it. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 11:09:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JF9Wbm024085; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:09:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JF9VBP024074; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:09:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA166A7.69416FD7@tasam.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:09:27 -0400 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit References: <20030418135924.K89451-100000@yes.devclue.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > > On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Robert Easton wrote: > > > Just remember a traffic ticket (other than parking) is a moving > > violation and therefore they need to ticket a person, not a vehicle, so > > if you have a full faced helmet, how can they prove it's you? > > They can't -- but they don't need to. If you deny that you were driving > the vehicle, they force you to submit proof that someone else _was_. that seems to go against the "innocent until proven guilty" thing. > My hatred for traffic cameras is exceeded only > by my loathing of the French. I'm getting stickers printed up... fuck france black background, white letters. is there any interest here? price unknown at this time, but they usually end up around a buck or two each. Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 11:22:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JFMvbm029048; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:22:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JFMuX8029038; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:22:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA16997.B6D34966@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:21:59 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit References: <20030419143613.24448.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll differ with you there, Mark. The list of Gimers... er, talents you supplied are mormal lawyer thangs. Torts? Yes, but I'm even lukewarm on caps for tort cases. A mega-rich doctor cuts off the wrong limb or screws up and kills a patient and the Bushamaniacs want a $250,000 cap on a lawsuit? Pocket change to the dumb-ass doctor. And the medical profession is ballless when it comes to policing their own, so slapping mega-rich doc with a lawsuit that will bust his/her chops is our only weapon. If a drunk smacks you on your scoot and leaves you crippled for life would you want a 250K cap on a lawsuit? Only if you're brain was damaged in the wreck also. Sure, there's bottom sucker lawyers, but what law school they attended and what style of practice they persue doesn't automatically make them a bottom sucker. Bill Mark Kitchell wrote: > Please. You are a bottom sucker like most lawyers > from mediocre law schools > > >From you website you seem to go for all usual > money-grabbers: > > Insurance: Automobile Insurance; Condominium > Insurance; Excess Insurance; General Liability > Insurance; Homeowners Insurance; Insurance Coverage > Litigation; Insurance Disputes; Umbrella Insurance > > Personal Injury and Property Damage: Automobile > Accidents; Bodily Injury; Motorcycle Accidents; > Property Damage; Wrongful Death > > Torts: Assault; Battery; Employment-Related Torts; > False Imprisonment; Fraud and Deceit; Malicious > Prosecution; Negligence; Premises Liability From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 11:31:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JFVDbm001577; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:31:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JFVCMc001566; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:31:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA16B87.DC430C9E@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:30:15 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Skip Smith CC: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit References: <20030418135924.K89451-100000@yes.devclue.com> <3EA166A7.69416FD7@tasam.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Skip Smith wrote: > I'm getting stickers printed up... > > fuck france > > black background, white letters. is there any interest here? price > unknown at this time, but they usually end up around a buck or two each. > > Skip Well, since the French have provided our sex lives with many *interesting* improvements, I'd go for f-----g a frenchie in the hope of adding a few tricks to my long list of carnel talents :-> Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 13:42:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JHgPbm007112; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 13:42:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JHgKNk007102; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 13:42:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:42:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit In-Reply-To: <20030419140057.55990.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030419104129.X58388-100000@yes.devclue.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > look for your easy target elsewhere. "You" plural -- lawyers in general. I'm certain you personally are the soul of conscientiousness. > oh, good luck with the bike. keep poking at it aimlessly and it'll > likely start. ;) Ouch. I'll do that. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 14:13:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JIDObm012272; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:13:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JIDN7Q012262; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:13:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030419181316.11168.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:13:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit To: Mark Kitchell , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030419145032.23226.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii taken from http://www.murphygimer.com/pages/501572/index.htm , one tiny click away from the page you forwarded: "Attorneys ... Thomas H. Gimer (Member), born October 24, 1970, Alexandria, Virginia Education: B.A., University of Maryland, College Park; J.D., Magna Cum Laude, Catholic University of America's Columbus School of Law; recipient, American Jurisprudence Award in Criminal Law, 1997 Admitted: Maryland; U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland Memberships: Association of Trial Lawyers of America; Maryland State Bar Association; Bar Association of Montgomery County, Maryland; Maryland Trial Lawyers Association (Board Member, New Lawyers Section); Washington Golf & Country Club, Arlington, Virginia Primary Practice Areas: Civil and Commercial Litigation; Business Disputes; Commercial Real Estate Transactions; Leases and Leasing; Small Business Counsel Email: tgimer@XXXXXX In addition to the practice areas listed above, Mr. Gimer is interested in assisting fellow motorcyclists with their legal problems, whatever they may be." i have worked for a couple of the best firms in the area doing insurance DEFENSE work. and i could easily have taken a job in that area after law school -- for good money -- had i wanted one. i didn't even interview for 'em. especially if you're not going to bother to read my bio, please don't pretend to know the first thing about me or my background. now, enough about me.... do you honestly dislike the people who clean the bathrooms at coleman powersport? if so, you are one miserable fuck. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Good morning carwash cunt! > > It came straight from you firm practice area page. > > http://www.murphygimer.com/pages/501575/index.htm > > First, there is nothing stating WHOSE practice area > that is from. And second, you are one of the two > layers in the firm. > > The guy who works at Coleman's but only cleans the > bathroom STILL works at Coleman's! > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > ah, welcome, shithead! > > > > it is clear you didn't bother to read MY bio. had > > you done > > so, and had you not convenienty cut out MY practice > > areas > > from that page, perhaps then you would look like > > less of an > > asshole. > > > > thanks for the publicity though.... mark was kind > > enough > > to provided SOME of the text from > > http://www.murphygimer.com -- or was it > > www.lawyers.com/murphygimerlaw ? > > > > > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > Please. You are a bottom sucker like most lawyers > > > from mediocre law schools > > > > > > From you website you seem to go for all usual > > > money-grabbers: > > > > > > Insurance: Automobile Insurance; Condominium > > > Insurance; Excess Insurance; General Liability > > > Insurance; Homeowners Insurance; Insurance > > Coverage > > > Litigation; Insurance Disputes; Umbrella Insurance > > > > > > Personal Injury and Property Damage: Automobile > > > Accidents; Bodily Injury; Motorcycle Accidents; > > > Property Damage; Wrongful Death > > > > > > Torts: Assault; Battery; Employment-Related Torts; > > > False Imprisonment; Fraud and Deceit; Malicious > > > Prosecution; Negligence; Premises Liability > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > --- Fish Flowers wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > i love it. i suppose those > > > > basta^H^H^H^H^Hlawyers are > > > > > using the > > > > > > citizens who ACTIVELY SOUGHT THEIR > > ASSISTANCE as > > > > > puppets? > > > > > > > > > > How did I know I was going to get angry email > > from > > > > Gimer > > > > > about this? > > > > > > > > > > Gimer, it was just a lawyer joke. If it makes > > you > > > > feel > > > > > any better, I don't > > > > > think lawyers are the lowest scum of the earth > > -- > > > > you're > > > > > right, the > > > > > current vast swarm of locusts, umm, lawyers > > > > overrunning > > > > > the earth exist > > > > > only because we're a freaking weird and > > litigious > > > > > society. Not your fault, > > > > > any more than the single mom trying to make a > > > > living as a > > > > > telemarketer is > > > > > evil. > > > > > > > > > > But you gotta admit you're an easy target... > > > > > > > > ? i handle commercial (and some consumer) > > > > transactions, > > > > resolve business disputes, and assist with > > corporate > > > > formations, formalities, etc. look for your > > easy > > > > target > > > > elsewhere. > > > > > > > > oh, good luck with the bike. keep poking at it > > > > aimlessly > > > > and it'll likely start. ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > tg > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. 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Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 14:32:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JIWobm017288; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:32:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JIWoCJ017278; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:32:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA19619.94C4E421@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:31:53 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Mark Kitchell , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit References: <20030419181316.11168.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > now, enough about me.... do you honestly dislike the people > who clean the bathrooms at coleman powersport? if so, you > are one miserable fuck. Yeah, Mark, it's just a job! I doubt the scrubbers & sweepers at Coleman's are responsible for the service some feel is deplorable, unless the bathrooms are really, really icky. Just a job. If the money was good I'd take a job changing bed linens in a whorehouse. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 16:44:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JKiebm022788; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:44:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JKib8B022778; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:44:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030419204435.66830.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 13:44:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit To: "William J. Huson" , Tom Gimer Cc: Mark Kitchell , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <3EA19619.94C4E421@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No one gets sarcasm here. I have cleaned many a public bathroom in my life. I was trying to say that gimer works for a firm that takes certain law cases, so he cannot pretent like he is not involved. How about: the guy who looks up part numbers and get your parts? He still is part of the organization and has some personal responsibility with what goes on there. I am sure gimer is a defender of the downtrodden. Lets leave it at that. Any everyone hates lawyers until they need one. --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > now, enough about me.... do you honestly dislike > the people > > who clean the bathrooms at coleman powersport? if > so, you > > are one miserable fuck. > > Yeah, Mark, it's just a job! I doubt the scrubbers > & sweepers at > Coleman's are responsible for the service some feel > is deplorable, > unless the bathrooms are really, really icky. Just > a job. If the money > was good I'd take a job changing bed linens in a > whorehouse. > > Bill > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! 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Tom Fitzpatrick (703) 670-5525 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 17:43:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JLhEbm003405; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 17:43:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JLhEud003395; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 17:43:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Rob Sharp" To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit: Lawyers Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:43:51 -0500 Message-Id: <20030419214253.M52356@sharpie.org> In-Reply-To: <20030419104129.X58388-100000@yes.devclue.com> References: <20030419140057.55990.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> <20030419104129.X58388-100000@yes.devclue.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.90 20030212 X-OriginatingIP: 68.49.31.41 (rob@XXXXXX) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I would just like to add ALL lawyers suck till you need one :) Then they can be quite helpful and worth the money. Just ask OJ :) Rob On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:42:18 -0700 (PDT), Fish Flowers wrote > On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > look for your easy target elsewhere. > > "You" plural -- lawyers in general. I'm certain you personally are > the soul of conscientiousness. > > > oh, good luck with the bike. keep poking at it aimlessly and it'll > > likely start. ;) > > Ouch. I'll do that. > > Fish. -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 18:58:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JMw9bm008804; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:58:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JMw8Uo008794; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:58:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <10c.22c3de92.2bd32e73@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:57:55 EDT Subject: Re: Traffic Camera lawsuit To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/19/2003 4:53:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rgeaston@XXXXXX writes: > IN BACK OF YOU!!!???!!! not 2 pics one through the windshield and one of > the back plate like everywhere else??? Yep. I could show you mine... Speed cameras take one from a dodad on the dashboard of a parked unmarked car on the side of the road. (By exit 2 on I-295 north.) One photo, computer enhanced so they can read the tag. (Custom bikes can have the tag mounted on the left side of the bike, the camera would be unable to see it, hmmmmm.) Red light cameras take 2 _both_ from the rear so they can tell if the car is actually moving otherwise the driver simply says "that is a picture of me stopped." And it is bullshit, plain and simple. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 19:39:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JNdTbm021094; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:39:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JNdTo2021086; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:39:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <019e01c306cc$f5dd1e30$0a0110ac@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" , References: <3EA03D00.320709D5@patriot.net> Subject: Re: JB Weld? Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:39:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Yep, used JB Weld today to get my VF500F back on the road. Fingers and toes crossed that the repair holds and this stops my oil leak difficulties. To get it to stick the area must be 100% positutely clean and oil free. First time I used it the repair failed for that reason. It has a long set time, something like 15 hours to reach full strength. Sheesh, just waded through 20-odd posts about lawyers, sh^tter cleaning at Coleman's and whorehouse linen changing. :) Much too nice a day to be inside hurling insults, dont'cha think? Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" > Never used it. Usually use Marine Tex when fixing dings and such on my > outboards, but I seem to recall bikers raving about JB Weld for fixing > dings in cast aluminum. So does it work really well? Can it be > sanded/ground to a paintable surface? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 19:46:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3JNkNbm026089; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:46:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3JNkN79026084; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:46:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030419234615.13922.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:46:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: JB Weld? To: Paul Wilson , "William J. Huson" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <019e01c306cc$f5dd1e30$0a0110ac@D7XFG711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Sheesh, just waded through 20-odd posts about lawyers, > sh^tter cleaning at > Coleman's and whorehouse linen changing. :) Much too > nice a day to be > inside hurling insults, dont'cha think? that's why i was on the golf course. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 21:33:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3K1Xdbm031602; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 21:33:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3K1Xc2O031592; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 21:33:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA1F8BB.7A9717F3@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 21:32:43 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: JB Weld? References: <20030419234615.13922.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > Sheesh, just waded through 20-odd posts about lawyers, > > sh^tter cleaning at > > Coleman's and whorehouse linen changing. :) Much too > > nice a day to be > > inside hurling insults, dont'cha think? > > that's why i was on the golf course. > I wuz working on the Great Fairing Project, and watching the boss mow the lawn with her SportSnip Honda lawnmower. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 21:38:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3K1cibm004179; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 21:38:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3K1cgKs004164; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 21:38:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA1F9EB.7B7874EB@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 21:37:48 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: JB Weld? References: <3EA03D00.320709D5@patriot.net> <019e01c306cc$f5dd1e30$0a0110ac@D7XFG711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > Yep, used JB Weld today to get my VF500F back on the road. Fingers and toes > crossed that the repair holds and this stops my oil leak difficulties. To > get it to stick the area must be 100% positutely clean and oil free. First > time I used it the repair failed for that reason. It has a long set time, > something like 15 hours to reach full strength. > Thanks. 15 hours is about the same as MarineTex, probably the same goop in a different package. I use chem cleaner on aluminum to get rid of the surface oxide, the coat it quick! I've even slapped epoxy on aluminum and used a stainless wire brush wet to get rid of the dang oxide. Hope your fix works. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 19 22:18:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3K2Iobm009327; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:18:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3K2Iorj009317; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:18:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008f01c306e3$24777fe0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: <20030419234615.13922.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: JB Weld? Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:18:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79de23758297df4f152c5cee89a72f6e10350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Gimer confessed: > that's why i was on the golf course. [Dave] Such a terrible waste of open spaces... most of those silly carts won't even go fast enough to do donuts. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 20 06:27:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3KARPbm030025; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 06:27:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3KARLf2030010; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 06:27:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 06:19:42 -0400 Subject: Todd Peer on the list? From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Todd. If you are still monitoring this list please contact off list. Thanks Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 20 08:24:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3KCOmbm003317; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 08:24:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3KCOlbk003306; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 08:24:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030420122410.92019.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 05:24:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: JB Weld? To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <008f01c306e3$24777fe0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > Gimer confessed: > > that's why i was on the golf course. > > [Dave] Such a terrible waste of open spaces... i suppose you'd like to see more strip malls and starbucks? > most of those silly carts won't even go fast enough to do > donuts. ? that's what the hills are for.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. 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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 09:21:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7933315499ca23300053cff80555cb4f1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > > > that's why i was on the golf course. > > > > [Dave] Such a terrible waste of open spaces... > > i suppose you'd like to see more strip malls and starbucks? [Dave] I was thinking more along the lines of ... a road course ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 20 17:56:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3KLuEbm018829; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:56:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3KLuDBn018821; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:56:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030420172427.00aad360@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:41:07 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Carl Schelin Subject: Bike back from the shop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Interesting end result though. I had the stage one kit installed. It improves the airflow to pump up the power? Anyway, the air filter used to be two pieces. The chrome cover and a plastic back end that enclosed the air filter so that a small 1" x 3" hole in the front was where the air came from. The plastic back end is now gone so breathing is much better. An adjustment to the EFI ($149) makes sure everything works right. In addition I had a pair of slip-ons installed. I like the baloney or side cut pipes and picked them out of the catalog at the parts desk. The problem is that they are god-d???ed loud. I had to do some checking and I'm sure they installed the Screamin' Eagle II slipons when I asked for the standard slipons. Technically I asked for the side cut slip ons. I guess he assumed I meant SEII even though the SEII ones are not street legal (according to the web-site). So, if the dealer installs non-street legal pipes on my bike, am I going to have a problem? I'm assuming (again with assuming) that if the dealer does it, he knows what I'm asking for. I guess I didn't catch the *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* at the dealer :-) Anyway, they sound great. During the day there's no real problem. It's the 5am wake up that might be an issue :-) When I went to Borders last night, I wore my 5/8th's helmet and my right ear is still ringing. One of the *thump* *thump* cars pulled up next to me at a light. After a couple of seconds, I tweaked the gas and he rolled up his window :-) I guess there's some use for it. On a more positive note, the bike seems lighter or faster and the web site says I can rev to 6,200 now. I guess 5,000 was the highest although I don't have a tach. Probably the best birthday present I've bought for myself. Later, Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 20 18:33:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3KMXjbm024284; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 18:33:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3KMXjYW024277; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 18:33:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA32005.AB05FD9D@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 18:32:37 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Bike back from the shop References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030420172427.00aad360@mail.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Practically every *upgrade* pipe H-D sells isn't street legal. Result, large packs of obnoxiously loud Harleys, not to mention the Jap harley look-a-likes that go for gutted pipes, and let's not forget all the *modified* sport bikes with honker pipes. So will the law jump on your butt? Not hardly, unless you demonstrate questionable driving tactics, confuse the hand signal for #1 and FU, or the LEO in question has just found out that both his wife and daughter were knocked up when they sexed-in with an outlaw biker club. But if the law does cite you for excessive noise, yes, you're responsible. It's your bike, you're on it. I can't imagine a bike without a tach. 5,500 is my EVO redline, methinks the rev limiter kicks in around 6K. Bounced the tach up to 6,500 when I discovered yet another false neutral while honking out on the superslab. Bill FLHS with SE pipes, baffled and supposedly street legal. Pretty dang quiet. Carl Schelin wrote: > Interesting end result though. > > I had the stage one kit installed. It improves the airflow to pump up the > power? Anyway, the air filter used to be two pieces. The chrome cover and a > plastic back end that enclosed the air filter so that a small 1" x 3" hole > in the front was where the air came from. The plastic back end is now gone > so breathing is much better. > > An adjustment to the EFI ($149) makes sure everything works right. > > In addition I had a pair of slip-ons installed. I like the baloney or side > cut pipes and picked them out of the catalog at the parts desk. > > The problem is that they are god-d???ed loud. > > I had to do some checking and I'm sure they installed the Screamin' Eagle > II slipons when I asked for the standard slipons. Technically I asked for > the side cut slip ons. I guess he assumed I meant SEII even though the SEII > ones are not street legal (according to the web-site). > > So, if the dealer installs non-street legal pipes on my bike, am I going to > have a problem? I'm assuming (again with assuming) that if the dealer does > it, he knows what I'm asking for. > > I guess I didn't catch the *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* at the dealer :-) > > Anyway, they sound great. During the day there's no real problem. It's the > 5am wake up that might be an issue :-) > > When I went to Borders last night, I wore my 5/8th's helmet and my right > ear is still ringing. One of the *thump* *thump* cars pulled up next to me > at a light. After a couple of seconds, I tweaked the gas and he rolled up > his window :-) I guess there's some use for it. > > On a more positive note, the bike seems lighter or faster and the web site > says I can rev to 6,200 now. I guess 5,000 was the highest although I don't > have a tach. > > Probably the best birthday present I've bought for myself. > > Later, > > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 20 19:37:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3KNbAbm001759; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 19:37:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3KNb9ZO001749; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 19:37:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030420233621.76124.qmail@web14811.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 16:36:21 -0700 (PDT) From: patti rodgers Subject: Re: Dodge motorcycle To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: <3EA146A4.1AF7C730@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > The question remains > - what were they thinking at Dodge? > > Bill Saw this in one of the moto magazines, and thought it was good for a giggle. I guess someone's wondering what they're thinking of at Honda as well... There once was a company called Honda That made lots of bikes we were fond of They took their cue from the moon When they gave us the Rune And now they're down to one shop in Rwanda cheers, patti __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 20 19:45:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3KNjPbm004277; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 19:45:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3KNjPmK004271; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 19:45:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030420234522.12882.qmail@web14809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 16:45:22 -0700 (PDT) From: patti rodgers Subject: primers and etc To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My pile o' parts is beginning to resemble something that might grow up to be a motorcycle one day. I've finally finished (well, almost finished) sandblasting parts and will be ready to prime them soon. I was wondering what experiences others had had with different primers, bonders, fillers and such. I don't mind applying many coats of whatever I end up with, and I don't mind sanding in between. I will be really annoyed if I go through all this work and the primer ends up making the paint wrinkle. So I guess my priority is the finished product, not how long it takes to get there. Bill Huson had recommended Feather Fill to me, and I am going to give that a try. Any other recommendations? Or any products or brands I should stay away from? Thanks in advance, Patti __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 20 20:30:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3L0U9bm009806; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:30:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3L0U9JF009796; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:30:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA33B59.9C9E16C5@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:29:13 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: patti rodgers CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: primers and etc References: <20030420234522.12882.qmail@web14809.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frankly, m'dear, powder coating rules on frames and such. But one must have pure metal with no sand scratchs or gouges to powder coat, and have a really fat checkbook. Taint cheap. I usually paint frames and parts. I've ground/filed lumpy frame welds - don't take *too* much off, just knock off the high spots, and used regular Bondo-type body filler to smooth thangs out. An etching epoxy primer would be best, but cheap date me uses ordinary primer. Choice of sandpaper grit is important, read painting instrctions on can or from paint shop - must cut enough tooth for stickability but not be so rough as to cause "sand scratchs" which occur when the solvent based paint shrinks back and exposes all those mini-gouges. Feather Fill goes on after primer and before paint and is da bomb diggity for cool finishes. Being a catylized paint it doesn't shrink back. Paint prep is #220 to #400 grit depending on paint, enamel or laquer, laquer likes finer grit prep. Products? I go to Mattos in Falls Church for Dupont products but have used PPG products when they had a local supplier. Stuff is expensive! You might try to connect with a body/paint shop and see if they'll sell you small quantities of color or whatever. Imron and other isocyanate catylized paints are tempting, but avoid them unless you're prepared to suit up in a bio-hazard rig with fresh air supply to the mask Anything less can be dangerous - don't ask me how I know this *gasp -- flop* Bill patti rodgers wrote: > My pile o' parts is beginning to resemble something > that might grow up to be a motorcycle one day. I've > finally finished (well, almost finished) sandblasting > parts and will be ready to prime them soon. I was > wondering what experiences others had had with > different primers, bonders, fillers and such. > > I don't mind applying many coats of whatever I end up > with, and I don't mind sanding in between. I will be > really annoyed if I go through all this work and the > primer ends up making the paint wrinkle. So I guess > my priority is the finished product, not how long it > takes to get there. Bill Huson had recommended > Feather Fill to me, and I am going to give that a try. > > > Any other recommendations? Or any products or brands > I should stay away from? > > Thanks in advance, > > Patti > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 20 21:24:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3L1O4bm012615; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:24:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3L1O3na012605; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:24:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030420205931.00ac6180@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:09:03 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Bike back from the shop In-Reply-To: <3EA32005.AB05FD9D@patriot.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030420172427.00aad360@mail.hq.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:32 PM 4/20/03 -0400, William J. Huson wrote: >Practically every *upgrade* pipe H-D sells isn't street legal. Result, large >packs of obnoxiously loud Harleys, not to mention the Jap harley look-a-likes >that go for gutted pipes, and let's not forget all the *modified* sport bikes >with honker pipes. "But the catalog says" he says with naivety. What can I say? I was calling them tomorrow anyway just to see what's what. My concern is that everything seems to be you "bought it, you live with it". >So will the law jump on your butt? Not hardly, unless you demonstrate >questionable driving tactics, confuse the hand signal for #1 and FU, or >the LEO >in question has just found out that both his wife and daughter were knocked up >when they sexed-in with an outlaw biker club. But if the law does cite you >for excessive noise, yes, you're responsible. It's your bike, you're on it. Hmm. So it gives them another reason to hassle. I can understand that. I'm a low profile kinda guy anyway. >I can't imagine a bike without a tach. 5,500 is my EVO redline, methinks the >rev limiter kicks in around 6K. Bounced the tach up to 6,500 when I discovered >yet another false neutral while honking out on the superslab. I haven't found one I like yet. Like I said, everything seems to be "you bought it, you live with it". I'm enough of a loner that there's not many folks I can use for comparison so I'll go with something I like and "live with it". I bought and installed a windshield and really don't like it. It's sitting in the garage gathering sawdust and spiderwebs. >Bill >FLHS with SE pipes, baffled and supposedly street legal. Pretty dang quiet. Weren't you just complaining about loud pipes? Are they SE or SEII? Are they louder than stock? I'd hate to trade in stock pipes with DB20 for SE pipes with DB22 when SEII pipes are DB50. I'd like more DB30 or DB35 (they are relative numbers and not actual decibel levels; YMMV). Can they baffle SEII pipes? I said it before. I was looking for an increase in poser points, not redlining them ;-) Thanks for the voice of sanity. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 20 22:39:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3L2dabm015483; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 22:39:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3L2dX4T015468; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 22:39:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA359AD.2A2A4A4B@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 22:38:37 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Bike back from the shop References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030420172427.00aad360@mail.hq.nasa.gov> <5.1.0.14.0.20030420205931.00ac6180@mail.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > >FLHS with SE pipes, baffled and supposedly street legal. Pretty dang quiet. > > Weren't you just complaining about loud pipes? Are they SE or SEII? Are > they louder than stock? I'd hate to trade in stock pipes with DB20 for SE > pipes with DB22 when SEII pipes are DB50. I'd like more DB30 or DB35 (they > are relative numbers and not actual decibel levels; YMMV). Can they baffle > SEII pipes? I said it before. I was looking for an increase in poser > points, not redlining them ;-) I'm not into extreme noise, but do luv the Harley sound and the rumble of a basic `Murican V-8 engine. I replaced a pair of really LOUD pipes that were on my previously owned steed with Screaming Eagles (?) made by Kerker. The sticker sez they meet the EPA regulation of 80 dBA when used on a 1340 EVO, which is what I have. They can be taken apart and the baffles removed, manufactured before the weld it to sell it reg. They also had fiberglass packing, but were tooting tufts of that from the get-go and now have zero packing. They're a little less mellow on baffles only, but quiet enough to prompt sneers from the loud pipes crowd. Course, if you switched pipes again you'd probably have to reamp/rejet your fuel feed. If you like the sound and can live with it (earplugs?) keep riding. Some poser parts are plain dumb. The previous owner, who managed to pile up 4000 miles in a little less than 6 years (whoa, whadda ridin' fool) also had a a K&N air filter installed. I like that, wash, reoil, reuse. But said Screaming Eagle air filter mod required the installation of a chrome rocker breather tube ($29.95) that vents the rockers to the air, in dirty defiance of the EPA regs. Now I challange anyone to show me facts that prove a noticeable, or even measurable, HP increase from this vent to air rig over the original feed into the intake system via the airbox. It's just dumb. One of these days when I'm inna drilling/wrenching mood I may punch the backplate and feed the smoky stuff where it belongs. But at the moment I'm busy with the Great Road Glide Fairing project. First pre-installation task is to move the ignition brain box from the headstock to the behind left sidecover. Wire splicing - oh joy! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 06:09:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3LA9Ubm022894; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 06:09:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3LA9SBo022879; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 06:09:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike back from the shop Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 06:05:42 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030420172427.00aad360@mail.hq.nasa.gov> <5.1.0.14.0.20030420205931.00ac6180@mail.hq.nasa.gov> <3EA359AD.2A2A4A4B@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3EA359AD.2A2A4A4B@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0304210605422I.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sunday 20 April 2003 22:38, William J. Huson wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > >FLHS with SE pipes, baffled and supposedly street legal. Pretty dang > > > quiet. > > > > Weren't you just complaining about loud pipes? Are they SE or SEII? Are > > they louder than stock? I'd hate to trade in stock pipes with DB20 for SE > > pipes with DB22 when SEII pipes are DB50. I'd like more DB30 or DB35 > > (they are relative numbers and not actual decibel levels; YMMV). Can they > > baffle SEII pipes? I said it before. I was looking for an increase in > > poser points, not redlining them ;-) > > I'm not into extreme noise, but do luv the Harley sound and the rumble of a > basic `Murican V-8 engine. I replaced a pair of really LOUD pipes that > were on my previously owned steed with Screaming Eagles (?) made by Kerker. > The sticker sez they meet the EPA regulation of 80 dBA when used on a 1340 > EVO, which is what I have. They can be taken apart and the baffles > removed, manufactured before the weld it to sell it reg. They also had > fiberglass packing, but were tooting tufts of that from the get-go and now > have zero packing. They're a little less mellow on baffles only, but quiet > enough to prompt sneers from the loud pipes crowd. > So I guess that means that even though there are bolts holding some inner workings in the pipe, there probably aren't baffles I can install. > Course, if you switched pipes again you'd probably have to reamp/rejet your > fuel feed. If you like the sound and can live with it (earplugs?) keep > riding. They don't seem to be that much louder with my plugs in (I normally freeway ride with plugs) but in local traffic they are quite loud, hence my first message. I figure on calling East Coast today and checking out what happened. I would have preferred the parts guy noting that, "you know, these pipes aren't legal on the public roads, but the cops won't say anything unless you're racing in the residental 'hoods". It covers their ass and keeps me from calling one of our estimed law professionals when I get pulled over. "But officer, these are dealer installed. They didn't warn me." If I have to switch pipes, it'll be on their dime anyway. These are the guys I go to for all my service and parts needs even though I bought my first one at Witts and second at Patriot. East Coast is just down the street. I'd hate to go farther to get stuff done, ya know? > > Some poser parts are plain dumb. The previous owner, who managed to pile > up 4000 miles in a little less than 6 years (whoa, whadda ridin' fool) > also had a a K&N air filter installed. I like that, wash, reoil, reuse. > But said Screaming Eagle air filter mod required the installation of a > chrome rocker breather tube ($29.95) that vents the rockers to the air, in > dirty defiance of the EPA regs. Now I challange anyone to show me facts > that prove a noticeable, or even measurable, HP increase from this vent to > air rig over the original feed into the intake system via the airbox. It's > just dumb. One of these days when I'm inna drilling/wrenching mood I may > punch the backplate and feed the smoky stuff where it belongs. > But that mod is dealer installed, right? There are a couple of things I noted about the new pipe setup. The behind-the-scenes pipe (dunno what to call it) that connects the two pipes was changed with what appears to be a straight bar with a couple of bolts to block openings, presumably for other pipe setups. One of the bolts (three openings, two bolts) is missing. Since I'm sure the exhaust doesn't use that pipe like the stock one does, I don't think it means much but I haven't checked with it running. I'll have to check today. > But at the moment I'm busy with the Great Road Glide Fairing project. > First pre-installation task is to move the ignition brain box from the > headstock to the behind left sidecover. Wire splicing - oh joy! > Good luck. > Bill Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 06:53:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3LArIbm025560; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 06:53:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3LArHfi025549; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 06:53:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA3CD5E.F19E4F6A@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 06:52:14 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike back from the shop References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030420172427.00aad360@mail.hq.nasa.gov> <5.1.0.14.0.20030420205931.00ac6180@mail.hq.nasa.gov> <3EA359AD.2A2A4A4B@patriot.net> <0304210605422I.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > > Some poser parts are plain dumb. The previous owner, who managed to pile > > up 4000 miles in a little less than 6 years (whoa, whadda ridin' fool) > > also had a a K&N air filter installed. I like that, wash, reoil, reuse. > > But said Screaming Eagle air filter mod required the installation of a > > chrome rocker breather tube ($29.95) that vents the rockers to the air, in > > dirty defiance of the EPA regs. Now I challange anyone to show me facts > > that prove a noticeable, or even measurable, HP increase from this vent to > > air rig over the original feed into the intake system via the airbox. It's > > just dumb. One of these days when I'm inna drilling/wrenching mood I may > > punch the backplate and feed the smoky stuff where it belongs. > > > > But that mod is dealer installed, right? I'm not sure it was. K&N air filter, breather pipe, and wide open pipes were on the bike but it had never been rejetted - plugs were burning stone white. I would assume a dealer would have rejetted after those mods. I rejetted, then alieviated my ear suffering by switching to calmer pipes and ... uh, haven't rejetted yet (been a few years). I need to do that, fuel milage sucks (literally - slurp) and a couple days of slow speed putting at the beach and the dang plugs foul out. > There are a couple of things I noted about the new pipe setup. The > behind-the-scenes pipe (dunno what to call it) that connects the two pipes > was changed with what appears to be a straight bar with a couple of bolts to > block openings, presumably for other pipe setups. One of the bolts (three > openings, two bolts) is missing. Since I'm sure the exhaust doesn't use that > pipe like the stock one does, I don't think it means much but I haven't > checked with it running. I'll have to check today. *blink* Sounds like you described a crossover pipe, otherwise known as an H pipe. And you say it is now a solid bar? Way weird. H pipes on dual exhausts are known to improve preformance, and usually the H is a hopup conversion available for vehicles that came stock without. I have no clue why the SE hot pipes removed that feature by adding a solid bar. Enhance the Harley Sound (tm) maybe? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 07:17:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3LBHmbm028166; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:17:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3LBHlQU028156; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:17:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike back from the shop Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:14:12 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030420172427.00aad360@mail.hq.nasa.gov> <0304210605422I.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3EA3CD5E.F19E4F6A@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3EA3CD5E.F19E4F6A@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0304210714122M.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 21 April 2003 06:52, William J. Huson wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > Some poser parts are plain dumb. The previous owner, who managed to > > > pile up 4000 miles in a little less than 6 years (whoa, whadda ridin' > > > fool) also had a a K&N air filter installed. I like that, wash, reoil, > > > reuse. But said Screaming Eagle air filter mod required the > > > installation of a chrome rocker breather tube ($29.95) that vents the > > > rockers to the air, in dirty defiance of the EPA regs. Now I challange > > > anyone to show me facts that prove a noticeable, or even measurable, HP > > > increase from this vent to air rig over the original feed into the > > > intake system via the airbox. It's just dumb. One of these days when > > > I'm inna drilling/wrenching mood I may punch the backplate and feed the > > > smoky stuff where it belongs. > > > > But that mod is dealer installed, right? > > I'm not sure it was. K&N air filter, breather pipe, and wide open pipes > were on the bike but it had never been rejetted - plugs were burning stone > white. I would assume a dealer would have rejetted after those mods. I > rejetted, then alieviated my ear suffering by switching to calmer pipes and > ... uh, haven't rejetted yet (been a few years). I need to do that, fuel > milage sucks (literally - slurp) and a couple days of slow speed putting at > the beach and the dang plugs foul out. That was one of the reasons I installed Stage 1 and the pipes. A recent American Iron (I'm guessing; I get so many) said that one of the best and cheapest upgrades was what I did. Of course the total was $1,254 but that included the $390 oil change and 3 hours labor for the upgrades. $300 for the Stage 1 and $254 for the pipes. I noted that the SE pipes are $274. You'd think they'd be cheaper since they probably don't have to replace the crossover bar. Since you have SE, do you have the crossover bar, versus the solid one I apparently have? I've been getting about 39 MPG stock. On an odder note, when I gassed up yesterday I went to reset the trip and it kept popping into some sort of diags. d01??? which incremented up to d07??? and then PPU. The last number was something like 8288?. It did it a couple of times and then after I moved out I tried it again at the light and it worked ok. A guy pulled up in front of me with fishtail pipes on a Pearl White bike and he sounded as loud as I did. > > > There are a couple of things I noted about the new pipe setup. The > > behind-the-scenes pipe (dunno what to call it) that connects the two > > pipes was changed with what appears to be a straight bar with a couple of > > bolts to block openings, presumably for other pipe setups. One of the > > bolts (three openings, two bolts) is missing. Since I'm sure the exhaust > > doesn't use that pipe like the stock one does, I don't think it means > > much but I haven't checked with it running. I'll have to check today. > > *blink* Sounds like you described a crossover pipe, otherwise known as an > H pipe. And you say it is now a solid bar? Way weird. H pipes on dual > exhausts are known to improve preformance, and usually the H is a hopup > conversion available for vehicles that came stock without. I have no clue > why the SE hot pipes removed that feature by adding a solid bar. Enhance > the Harley Sound (tm) maybe? > I just went out to put money in and checked the opening. No exhaust was coming out. And the pipes don't plug into the crossover like stock did. I'll call and check being curious. Maybe the backpressure is handled correctly by the inserts. The openings are certainly larger than the stock ones and look larger (based on pictures) than the SE ones. > Bill Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 08:49:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3LCnXbm001411; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:49:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3LCnWY8001400; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:49:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA3E8D9.2080600@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:49:29 -0400 From: Bob Rapp Reply-To: bikn.bob@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020920 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: bikn.bob@XXXXXX Subject: FS: VFR, Givi, Aerostich, Targa items References: <200304211242.h3LCgTBf023184@triana.gsfc.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Hi all, > > These are items still lying around my garage. If interested, please > email for more information. > > 1- Aerostich Darien pant, black, fits 32-34waist/30inseam, knee and > hip pads, $100 obo > > 1- '97 VFR Upper-right cowl, some scratches, $120 obo > 1- '97 VFR Lower-right cowl, some scratches, $75 obo > 1- '97 VFR sidestand, unused, $50 obo > > 1- Givi E360, black, barely used, $150 obo > 1- Givi E21, sidecases, black, good structural condition, some scuff > marks on 1 bag, $75 obo > 1- Givi Wingrack, fits '97 VFR, black, no turn signals, $75 obo > 1 -Givi top plate, $25 obo > > 1 -Targa fairing, red, fits/matches '89 Hawk GT, $75 obo > > Regards, > > Bob Rapp > '89 Hawk rider From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 09:03:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3LD3Ibm009311; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:03:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3LD3Iu5009301; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:03:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <18e.19215d87.2bd54610@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:03:12 EDT Subject: Re: JB Weld? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/19/2003 7:46:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > that's why i was on the golf course. Wow! They usually get really pissed when you ride on golf courses. Lucky you did not get caught. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 09:15:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3LDFlbm011880; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:15:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3LDFkeT011870; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:15:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: JB Weld? Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:12:11 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <18e.19215d87.2bd54610@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <18e.19215d87.2bd54610@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0304210912112X.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 21 April 2003 09:03, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 4/19/2003 7:46:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > that's why i was on the golf course. > > Wow! > They usually get really pissed when you ride on golf courses. > Lucky you did not get caught. > Hah. Back when I was an MP on Fort Meade the post commander had a cow because someone had parked their jeep on one of the greens. We were all on duty until the culprit was found. While I know who it was, I don't recall if he was caught. The commander was an idiot anyway. He went to Florida for some meeting and was bringing back a bunch of his pals. He called someone and we were all forced to perform a giant police call of the post before he and his pals arrived. Bonehead. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 09:50:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3LDoMbm014541; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:50:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3LDoKgV014531; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:50:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA3F6E2.21B9EDD7@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:49:22 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike back from the shop References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030420172427.00aad360@mail.hq.nasa.gov> <0304210605422I.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3EA3CD5E.F19E4F6A@patriot.net> <0304210714122M.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > That was one of the reasons I installed Stage 1 and the pipes. A recent > American Iron (I'm guessing; I get so many) said that one of the best and > cheapest upgrades was what I did. Of course the total was $1,254 but that > included the $390 oil change and 3 hours labor for the upgrades. $300 for the > Stage 1 and $254 for the pipes. I noted that the SE pipes are $274. You'd > think they'd be cheaper since they probably don't have to replace the > crossover bar. Since you have SE, do you have the crossover bar, versus the > solid one I apparently have? The FLH pipes exit on opposite sides, but the left side pipe is a Y and also connected to the right side, a crossover. > I've been getting about 39 MPG stock. The FLH bagger is aerodynamically dirty. At superslab speeds, which can be steady on 70+ in the south (speed limit 70), I get around 33 MPG. Milage improves at slower speeds, I'm guessing low 40s on those putzy rural paths. > On an odder note, when I gassed up yesterday I went to reset the trip and it > kept popping into some sort of diags. d01??? which incremented up to d07??? > and then PPU. The last number was something like 8288?. It did it a couple of > times and then after I moved out I tried it again at the light and it worked > ok. Oh, digital speedo. Mine is mechanical, no secrets. Even parked my total milage (more'n 35K) is visible. Digitals are a boon to posers. Blank when the power's off so the curious never know that the dang bike is dern near a cherry. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 10:51:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3LEpMbm017384; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:51:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3LEpLc8017374; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:51:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike back from the shop Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:47:42 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030420172427.00aad360@mail.hq.nasa.gov> <0304210714122M.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3EA3F6E2.21B9EDD7@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3EA3F6E2.21B9EDD7@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0304211047422Y.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 21 April 2003 09:49, William J. Huson wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > On an odder note, when I gassed up yesterday I went to reset the trip and > > it kept popping into some sort of diags. d01??? which incremented up to > > d07??? and then PPU. The last number was something like 8288?. It did it > > a couple of times and then after I moved out I tried it again at the > > light and it worked ok. > > Oh, digital speedo. Mine is mechanical, no secrets. Even parked my total > milage (more'n 35K) is visible. Digitals are a boon to posers. Blank when > the power's off so the curious never know that the dang bike is dern near a > cherry. > Actually the speedo is analog, it's the odo that's digital. So it's a negative when I have 10k+ in less than a year. Ah well. I must not have checked enough of the poser checkboxes > Bill Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 12:17:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3LGHNbm020365; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:17:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3LGHMiY020355; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:17:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike back from the shop Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:13:45 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030420172427.00aad360@mail.hq.nasa.gov> <3EA3F6E2.21B9EDD7@patriot.net> <0304211047422Y.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> In-Reply-To: <0304211047422Y.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03042112134533.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Update, Service is down today so I'll have to bug them tomorrow. On the issue with the pipes, they basically sell very few of them so don't have any in stock. I think I was somewhat convinced to keep them anyway but at the moment I don't have much choice. We'll see how it goes for a few days. My main concern was whether they were legal; would they pass inspection. They assured me it would so I'll bring it down there for the next inspection :-) Loudness is as Bill says. Don't be a butthead and the cops won't hassle (well). I forgot to ask for the old pipes back so I'll pick them up tomorrow. They want to look at the hole in the non-crossover bar to see if it needs a plug or something. My concern is more with crud getting inside and causing the bar to deteriorate unnecessarily. On having an actual crossover bar instead of the solid bar, they said the poser points increase with the hotter pipes. You only need crossover bar performance if you're racing, not cruising. They want me to stop by regarding the diagnostics being displayed on the odometer lcd, just to make sure. And that's it so far. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 13:15:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3LHFrbm023282; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:15:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3LHFr9x023272; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:15:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA4270F.6B502E6D@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:14:55 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike back from the shop References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030420172427.00aad360@mail.hq.nasa.gov> <0304210714122M.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3EA3F6E2.21B9EDD7@patriot.net> <0304211047422Y.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > Actually the speedo is analog, it's the odo that's digital. > > So it's a negative when I have 10k+ in less than a year. Ah well. I must not > have checked enough of the poser checkboxes Heck no! I haven't had a 10K year since I got rid of my trusty `81 Suzuki GS550E. Average about 7,500/year now. I keep forgeting to seek shelter when it rains so the rusty chrome kicks the snot outta my poser points. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 13:35:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3LHZrbm025871; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:35:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3LHZpEi025856; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:35:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA429DF.82DB277B@carlparker.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:26:55 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Help with new chain install?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, I need to replace the chain on my 1200 Bandit with something a little less stretch and a little more robust. Anywho I've changed chains on bicycles dozens of time but not on motorcycles and was wondering if anyone had the time and chain breaker/rivoting tool to install a DID ZVM 530 chain...in exchange I can bring tidings of beer! Will travel for new chain... Thanks, Carl who is also a Carl who brings tidings of beer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 14:23:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3LINabm031486; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:23:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3LINZYI031478; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:23:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <016201c30833$1297d300$6801a8c0@STEVEN> From: "Bruce N" To: "DCCycles" References: <3EA429DF.82DB277B@carlparker.com> Subject: Re: Help with new chain install?? Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:22:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Are you planning on replacing both sprockets at the same time? If you're looking for maximum life from that fancy DID chain I'd strongly recommend it. Also, did you buy a rivet style link to go with your chain? DIDs usually only come with a clip link. Bruce p.s. Is Leesburg too far away? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Parker" > Hey Gang, > > I need to replace the chain on my 1200 Bandit with something a little > less stretch and a little more robust. Anywho I've changed chains on > bicycles dozens of time but not on motorcycles and was wondering if > anyone had the time and chain breaker/rivoting tool to install a DID > ZVM 530 chain...in exchange I can bring tidings of beer! Will travel > for new chain... > > Thanks, > Carl who is also a Carl who brings tidings of beer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 15:13:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3LJDEbm001921; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:13:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3LJDDIc001911; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:13:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030421191305.65758.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:13:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: JB Weld? To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <00b101c3073f$bd16ada0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > > > > that's why i was on the golf course. > > > > > > [Dave] Such a terrible waste of open spaces... > > > > i suppose you'd like to see more strip malls and > starbucks? > > [Dave] I was thinking more along the lines of ... a road > course ;-) in arlington, virginia? puhleeease. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 15:15:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3LJFWbm001989; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:15:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3LJFV76001982; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:15:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA442EC.19BFF18A@tasam.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:13:48 -0700 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: JB Weld? References: <20030419234615.13922.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> <008f01c306e3$24777fe0$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit but they turn on a dime. Dave Yates wrote: > > Gimer confessed: > > that's why i was on the golf course. > > [Dave] Such a terrible waste of open spaces... > most of those silly carts won't even go fast enough to do donuts. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 15:48:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3LJmbbm007105; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:48:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3LJma1j007097; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:48:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200304211948.AEP45200@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:48:26 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: JB Weld? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gimer scoffed: >> [Dave] I was thinking more along the lines of ... a road >> course ;-) > >in arlington, virginia? puhleeease. [Dave] That's what's wrong with Arlington - too much "other stuff", not enough PAVEMENT. PAVE it all. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 15:49:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3LJnXbm007155; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:49:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3LJnXxR007151; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:49:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200304211949.AEP45385@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:49:30 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: JB Weld? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Skip said of golf carts: >but they turn on a dime. [Dave] So does my lawn tractor... and it's probably faster... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 16:27:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3LKRdbm012346; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:27:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3LKRcUu012336; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:27:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA453FF.F5966EB3@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:26:39 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: JB Weld? References: <200304211949.AEP45385@ms2.verisignmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > Skip said of golf carts: > > >but they turn on a dime. > > [Dave] So does my lawn tractor... and it's probably > faster... > > Dave Yates Go for it, dude! Garden tractor pulls - yes, your supertuned mower hitched to a drag sled! Modified classes available in 750cc and 1500cc. Ranchiest one I saw was a Murrey mower frame with TWO 750cc Yamaha UJM engines. They were running straight pipes too! Lawsy Mae, did that thrill the rednecks. Did I mention the oval track circuit for garden tractors? Lemme tell ya, find a track and couple kegs of Bud and those good ol' boys will race anything. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 19:03:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3LN3hbm020313; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 19:03:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3LN3gsF020303; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 19:03:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 19:05:11 -0400 Subject: FS: 1976 Shovelhead Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: dccycles From: David Cross Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3EA453FF.F5966EB3@patriot.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Posting this for a friend of a friend so I apologize that I cant provide more info. I know nothing about this bike, only what is says below. Use the contact info below. 1976 Shovelhead 1200cc It has many new parts; rings, pistons, tachometer and speedometer, tires, rear sprocket, brake caliper and master cylinder, and etc. Got heads(values) rebuilt last year. It has approx. 26k miles on it! With new rings and pistons it's only 1,000 miles including rebuilt heads. The transmission has new seals as well. His name is Vance and can be reached at VHacecky@XXXXXX. He should be able to provide images if you request them. I think he is asking around $6500 but I hear that price is negotiable. FYI, he is deaf but once you contact him via email he can give you a phone number for a service that lets you telephone him should you need/want to. Again, I am posting this for a friend so please contact Vance and not me. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 19:06:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3LN6ubm026495; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 19:06:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3LN6tJv026489; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 19:06:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 19:08:25 -0400 Subject: Wanted: 1997 ZX6R Frame Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3EA3E8D9.2080600@verizon.net> Message-Id: <27D8C57B-744E-11D7-B879-000393BD9352@davecross.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Posting this for a friend. Wanted 1997 ZX6R Frame. Contact Charles at charles@XXXXXX if you have one or have a lead on one. Thanks. Dave. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 19:58:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3LNwHbm001508; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 19:58:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3LNwEf7001493; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 19:58:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 19:59:44 -0400 Subject: Re: FS: 1976 Shovelhead Correction!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: charles@XXXXXX To: dccycles From: David Cross In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <52E240DF-7455-11D7-AE27-000393BD9352@davecross.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) This is the correct contact information for the seller of the Shovelhead: Sandy Swafford [Saz03@XXXXXX] Do not contact Vance at the email address I posted in my original post as he is not the one selling the Harley. Sorry for the confusion. Dave On Monday, April 21, 2003, at 07:05 PM, David Cross wrote: > Posting this for a friend of a friend so I apologize that I cant > provide more info. I know nothing about this bike, only what is says > below. Use the contact info below. > > > 1976 Shovelhead 1200cc > It has many new parts; rings, pistons, tachometer and speedometer, > tires, > rear sprocket, brake caliper and master cylinder, and etc. Got > heads(values) rebuilt last year. It has approx. 26k miles on it! With > new > rings and pistons it's only 1,000 miles including rebuilt heads. > The transmission has new seals as well. > > > His name is Vance and can be reached at VHacecky@XXXXXX. He should be > able to provide images if you request them. > I think he is asking around $6500 but I hear that price is negotiable. > FYI, he is deaf but once you contact him via email he can give you a > phone number for a service that lets you telephone him should you > need/want to. > > Again, I am posting this for a friend so please contact Vance and not > me. > > Dave > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 20:08:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3M088bm004072; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:08:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3M087Tj004060; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:08:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030422000744.23458.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:07:44 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Motos don't pay London congestion fee To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <017901c30472$0ca0bf30$0a0110ac@D7XFG711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think Chicago could use congestion charging for sure! What with the Metra/CTA and various busses this place is public-transported to the gills traffic is just rediculous into and out of the city no matter what day of the week and for that matter the hour. It's not at all uncommon to have I290 and I90/94 stopped completely in both directions at 8:30PM on friday or sat evening. Even Sunday is a chancy shot. But chicago also makes their own problems with their rampant toll booths with defective arms that insist on coming down for each and ever damn car. ===== Windows XP Professional is built upon the rock-solid reliability of Windows NT technology, the architechture that is so fundamentally limited that it does not support the changes required to remove significant security vulnerabilities. How exactly would leaving Saddam in power promote peace and justice in Iraq? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Apr 21 21:30:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3M1URbm006999; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 21:30:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3M1URw0006989; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 21:30:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Rob Sharp" To: Carl Parker , DCCycles Subject: Re: Help with new chain install?? Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:31:42 -0500 Message-Id: <20030422013106.M69630@sharpie.org> In-Reply-To: <3EA429DF.82DB277B@carlparker.com> References: <3EA429DF.82DB277B@carlparker.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.90 20030212 X-OriginatingIP: 68.49.31.41 (rob@XXXXXX) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I used a dremel to break my chain, a bit more mess but just as effective. Sparks are fun :) Rob On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:26:55 -0400, Carl Parker wrote > Hey Gang, > > I need to replace the chain on my 1200 Bandit with something a little > less stretch and a little more robust. Anywho I've changed chains on > bicycles dozens of time but not on motorcycles and was wondering if > anyone had the time and chain breaker/rivoting tool to install a DID > ZVM 530 chain...in exchange I can bring tidings of beer! Will travel > for new chain... > > Thanks, > Carl who is also a Carl who brings tidings of beer -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 22 03:17:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3M7Hhbm011113; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 03:17:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3M7Hd5h011098; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 03:17:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: Help with new chain install?? From: Brian Roach To: Rob Sharp Cc: Carl Parker , DCCycles In-Reply-To: <20030422013106.M69630@sharpie.org> References: <3EA429DF.82DB277B@carlparker.com> <20030422013106.M69630@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 22 Apr 2003 03:17:31 -0400 Message-Id: <1050995855.20717.638.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 21:31, Rob Sharp wrote: > I used a dremel to break my chain, a bit more mess but just as effective. > Sparks are fun :) Amateur :) We use a pneumatic high-speed cutting wheel at the shop ... makes things easy. And yes... sparks are very cool. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 22 12:39:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3MGdRbm016906; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:39:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3MGdP14016896; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:39:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <135.1e9f0e14.2bd6ca2e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:39:10 EDT Subject: Re: JB Weld? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 > > [Dave] Such a terrible waste of open spaces... > > most of those silly carts won't even go fast enough to do donuts. Did you guys know that Harley used to make golf carts? 250cc. two cycle engines. Muffler larger then the engine. Reverse was starting the engine backwards! Replace the muffler with an expansion chamber and port that puppy! Then it would do a donut! And you could wear a Harley logo golf shirt, be the envy of all your friends! All true. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 22 12:49:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3MGnNbm019451; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:49:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3MGnLA8019436; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:49:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA57083.DBDF1099@carlparker.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:40:35 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bcn@XXXXXX, DCCycles , jmstrang@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help with new chain install?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leesburg is fine. I haven't gotten a rivet style link yet..I'll look into that. I'm also going to be replacing both sprockets so hopefully it won't take too long. I'll get in touch with you twoz when I get all the necessary stuff. Bruce, you got a full set of tools? Thanks-a-mucho, Carl who is also a Carl >Are you planning on replacing both sprockets at the same time? If you're >looking for maximum life from that fancy DID chain I'd strongly recommend >it. Also, did you buy a rivet style link to go with your chain? DIDs usually >only come with a clip link. Bruce p.s. Is Leesburg too far away? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 22 12:55:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3MGtubm021985; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:55:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3MGtuVS021975; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:55:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA573DE.480F8818@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:54:54 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: JB Weld? References: <135.1e9f0e14.2bd6ca2e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > [Dave] Such a terrible waste of open spaces... > > > most of those silly carts won't even go fast enough to do donuts. > > Did you guys know that Harley used to make golf carts? > > 250cc. two cycle engines. Muffler larger then the engine. Reverse was > starting the engine backwards! > > Replace the muffler with an expansion chamber and port that puppy! > Then it would do a donut! > And you could wear a Harley logo golf shirt, be the envy of all your friends! > > All true. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Yeppers. Soon after my Uncle retired to Florida he kept a fleet of Harley carts going for a small stipend and free use of the golf course. Harley wasn't the only manufacturor that used reverse start for reverse. Back in the late 50s Mercury outboards worked that way - shift to reverse and the Merc would sorta die - burp - and fire up backwards. This allowed Mercuys to have a much thinner gear case, which meant less water drag and more SPEED! Bill - swamp rat who annoyed the water police by outrunning them in my 14' boat with a honking mercury. I was like 12 or 13 at the time - allready a scofflaw! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 22 13:00:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3MH0Zbm024502; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:00:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3MH0ZYp024498; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:00:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <116.221d37d0.2bd6cf2c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:00:28 EDT Subject: Re: JB Weld? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/22/2003 12:56:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Harley wasn't the > only manufacturor that used reverse start for reverse. Guys where I lived used to time Harley Scats (the same basic engine as the carts) at TDC, push start them backwards, and see who could ride the farthest without falling down. (On the beach, nice soft sand.) Japan put diodes in the ignition circuit to prevent reverse start up, (two cycles could care less which way the crankshaft turns.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 22 14:00:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3MI0Pbm027322; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:00:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3MI0Owp027312; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:00:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030422180011.55875.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:00:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: primers and etc To: patti rodgers , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030420234522.12882.qmail@web14809.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Patti, I think I explained this to you before. After sandblasting, NO PRIMER IS REQUIRED! As a matter of a fact your paint will probably stick BETTER without out! Since sandblasting leaves little pores in the metal, the paint absorbs and bonds and makes a very tough finish even with regular spray can enamels! Glenn --- patti rodgers wrote: > My pile o' parts is beginning to resemble something > that might grow up to be a motorcycle one day. I've > finally finished (well, almost finished) > sandblasting > parts and will be ready to prime them soon. I was > wondering what experiences others had had with > different primers, bonders, fillers and such. > > I don't mind applying many coats of whatever I end > up > with, and I don't mind sanding in between. I will > be > really annoyed if I go through all this work and the > primer ends up making the paint wrinkle. So I guess > my priority is the finished product, not how long it > takes to get there. Bill Huson had recommended > Feather Fill to me, and I am going to give that a > try. > > > Any other recommendations? Or any products or > brands > I should stay away from? > > Thanks in advance, > > Patti > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 22 15:59:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3MJxubm000481; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:59:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3MJxuE3000471; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:59:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <4715792.1051041593158.JavaMail.freecat@mac.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:59:53 -0400 From: Stephen Miller To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Paging Fish Flowers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you get this email, Fish, please send me an email or call my cell # if you have it. - Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 22 18:17:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3MMHfbm009360; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:17:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3MMHflI009350; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:17:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA5BF4B.2FDD1466@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:16:44 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn Dysart CC: patti rodgers , DC Cycles Subject: Re: primers and etc References: <20030422180011.55875.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn Dysart wrote: > Patti, I think I explained this to you before. After > sandblasting, NO PRIMER IS REQUIRED! As a matter of a > fact your paint will probably stick BETTER without > out! Since sandblasting leaves little pores in the > metal, the paint absorbs and bonds and makes a very > tough finish even with regular spray can enamels! > > Glenn Wow! No primer needed? That'll be astonishing news to all those professional vehicle painters out there. But I do have a question. Since primer *is* paint, why wouldn't it adhere to the sandblasted metal with the same tenacity as surface paint? Hmmm... ??? And primer serves a purpose. It fills sandblast dings and sanding scratches. Then one sands the primer with finer grit paper to provide a baby-butt smooth surface for the finish paint. Of course for quick an' dirty jobs, like hosing paint on trailer frames, I skip all the cool stuff and wet the bare metal down with Rustoleum spray cans. Nice thick gooey Rustoleum or Krylon sorta fill up the scratchs just fine - for a trailer frame. But a restoration project ain't a trailer... it's a work of art. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 22 18:46:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3MMkQbm017004; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:46:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3MMkP9o016994; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:46:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030422180802.00abce10@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:29:42 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Carl Schelin Subject: Ride in and dealer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed So I'm cruising in this morning (been busy, what can I say) and long about the HOV flyover at Springfield I come upon an Electraglide, blue in color (well, dark in the dark) wearing a harley suit with reflective "Harley Davidson" on the back. He's in the left lane running about 70 but traffic is light. I pause and wait for him to slide right. When it doesn't happen I hit the signals, check my 20 and move right to pass. And the bonehead moves over in front of me, no turn signal. "What the fuck," I mutter. I figure maybe there's a cop in front of him and he's protecting me. So I slide to the left as we approach Springfield. Then he decides to short the slalom by trimming the turns. He cuts into my lane on the left turn, back into his on the right and cuts off again on the next left turn. He's really hitting it on the new stretch of road moving up next to the car in front of me. As we straighten out and come over the hill the traffic opens up enough and I pass him on the left, the white car on the right and the next car (red) that's in front of the 'glide. The red car decides he wants to race but I maintain 75 as he blows by on the right. When I get to my normal spot, usually at the far end since I'm normally first, there he is just parking his bike. I don't like to cut across three lanes of traffic getting from HOV to 12th street so I normally take 14th to Independence and down to 7th or 6th down to the lot. As we dismount I pipe up with, "what the fuck was with the weaving back there on the road?" Not aggressive, more curious and questioning. I had to repeat myself since I guess I mumble (true) or he didn't understand the problem. His comment? There was a bit of water on the road and he doesn't like to take too sharp a turn in the water. "Umm, ok." We talked about the bikes and mileage. He bought his last July and has 13k on it. "Well have a good day," and I walk off shaking my head slightly. ------ I stopped by the dealer today to ask about the diagnostic code I got, inquire about the opening in the cross-over pipe and to pick up my parts. Apparently they thought I was getting an engine light. The odo numbers was generated apparently by me hitting the trip switch too quickly after turning the shutoff switch on. If you hold down the trip reset button and flip on the shutoff switch, you'll go into speedo diags and can check for shorts etc. Nothing they can do about the extra opening in my cross-over. I'll likely see if I can find a bolt that fits. Rita commented that the bike doesn't sound all that loud when I was riding next to her, validating my own thoughts on "loud pipes save lives". Possibly if someone is coming up behind you but I don't think they make much difference in themselves. The bike does have a bit more low freq which has a feel but that can be confused with some of the "Rice Boys". Anyway, I got to ride. All in all a good day :-) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 22 18:50:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3MMoObm022391; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:50:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3MMoOJx022386; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:50:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030422225022.12932.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:50:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: primers and etc To: "William J. Huson" Cc: patti rodgers , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3EA5BF4B.2FDD1466@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Agreed, if you are paiting something that is a "rust bucket" you will need primer to fill in the holes left where the rust was removed. If there is no sign of rust why bother with a primer? You are adding another coating for no reason. Glenn --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > Wow! No primer needed? That'll be astonishing news > to all those > professional vehicle painters out there. > > But I do have a question. Since primer *is* paint, > why wouldn't it > adhere to the sandblasted metal with the same > tenacity as surface > paint? Hmmm... ??? > > And primer serves a purpose. It fills sandblast > dings and sanding > scratches. Then one sands the primer with finer > grit paper to provide a > baby-butt smooth surface for the finish paint. > > Of course for quick an' dirty jobs, like hosing > paint on trailer frames, > I skip all the cool stuff and wet the bare metal > down with Rustoleum > spray cans. Nice thick gooey Rustoleum or Krylon > sorta fill up the > scratchs just fine - for a trailer frame. But a > restoration project > ain't a trailer... it's a work of art. > > Bill > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 22 19:04:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3MN4Obm001995; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:04:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3MN4NnD001901; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:04:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:04:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Skip To: Glenn Dysart cc: "William J. Huson" , patti rodgers , DC Cycles Subject: Re: primers and etc In-Reply-To: <20030422225022.12932.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030422190233.Q65478-100000@tasam.com> References: <20030422225022.12932.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I was an industrial painter for a couple years, painting things like parts for the Stealth bomber, computer racks for humvees, towel bars for submarines, and we always used a primer. usually it was zinc chromate, but it always had some sort of primer. ymmv Skip On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Agreed, if you are paiting something that is a "rust > bucket" you will need primer to fill in the holes left > where the rust was removed. If there is no sign of > rust why bother with a primer? You are adding another > coating for no reason. > > Glenn > > > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > > Wow! No primer needed? That'll be astonishing news > > to all those > > professional vehicle painters out there. > > > > But I do have a question. Since primer *is* paint, > > why wouldn't it > > adhere to the sandblasted metal with the same > > tenacity as surface > > paint? Hmmm... ??? > > > > And primer serves a purpose. It fills sandblast > > dings and sanding > > scratches. Then one sands the primer with finer > > grit paper to provide a > > baby-butt smooth surface for the finish paint. > > > > Of course for quick an' dirty jobs, like hosing > > paint on trailer frames, > > I skip all the cool stuff and wet the bare metal > > down with Rustoleum > > spray cans. Nice thick gooey Rustoleum or Krylon > > sorta fill up the > > scratchs just fine - for a trailer frame. But a > > restoration project > > ain't a trailer... it's a work of art. > > > > Bill > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 22 21:06:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3N164bm010385; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:06:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3N163vl010375; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:06:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030423010601.38469.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:06:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: OT: F1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4715792.1051041593158.JavaMail.freecat@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just realized I had made these available here last year in addition to the USEnet F1 groups, so in case anyone was actually interested, to catch up... if not, sorry, go back to the oil and shaftie threads 8;) ) The 2003 Toyota F1 race reports available thus far are: http://www.xhost.org/f1/2003preview.htm http://www.xhost.org/f1/2003Australia.htm http://www.xhost.org/f1/2003Malaysia/malaysia.htm http://www.xhost.org/f1/2003Brazil/brazil.htm -- Larry (Yeah, I know the naming and file structures are inconsistent. Blame the various Windoze and Linux applications that made them, and that I'm too lazy to fix. 8;) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Apr 22 22:50:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3N2oWbm021371; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:50:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3N2oVnQ021361; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:50:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004101c30942$f4ed74c0$047e5b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: WP & NYT -- Neighbors and noggins Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:49:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 For those that missed it -- a 6-para Washington Post story on Sunday re a Pagan-to-Hells Angels transformation in Philly. "...On March 1, the Hells Angels officially claimed a new Philadelphia area chapter. In the past six weeks, Pagans switched loyalties or "patched over" to the Hells Angels in such large numbers that three Pagans chapters have disbanded. .... "Experts on bikers expect tensions to flame up this summer with [convicted Pagan biker] Mondevergine's release from prison. ...." [non-website] ----- And today, a NYTimes 1/3 pager with emphasis on helmets, Abate, and a bit on upcoming House Transportation Com'e legislation. "Traffic Safety Officials See Sharp Rise in Motorcycle Deaths" http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/22/national/22CYCL.html (free, signin possibly required) Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Could it be the Pagans and Angels are the cause of the Sharp Rise? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 23 08:43:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3NChKbm032553; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:43:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3NChGSN032538; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:43:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA68A25.189CEBED@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:42:13 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mobacc CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: WP & NYT -- Neighbors and noggins References: <004101c30942$f4ed74c0$047e5b0c@micron> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mobacc wrote: > For those that missed it -- a 6-para Washington Post story on Sunday re a > Pagan-to-Hells Angels transformation in Philly. > > "...On March 1, the Hells Angels officially claimed a new Philadelphia area > chapter. In the past six weeks, Pagans switched loyalties or "patched over" > to the Hells Angels in such large numbers that three Pagans chapters have > disbanded. > .... > > "Experts on bikers expect tensions to flame up this summer with > [convicted Pagan biker] Mondevergine's release from prison. > ...." I seem to recall a similar tale about Southern Maryland, Pagans v Hells Angels. What fun - grown men actting like surly teenagers... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 23 10:42:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3NEgfbm005743; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:42:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3NEgc2R005728; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:42:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:32:58 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: SPAM - 4 Bikes (and Jetski) for Sale To: DC Cycles Cc: heldrj@XXXXXX Message-id: <3EA6A41A.FB70DEB8@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <3EA5D667.7070600@fast.net> Forwarding some moto Spam from a friend of mine - Bob is a good guy. I can personally vouch for the Connie, but haven't seen his other bikes. FWIW, the DC area is within 250 miles of Allentown. Free Delivery! :) Contact Bob at heldrj@XXXXXX, not me. Hork Bob Held (heldrj@XXXXXX) wrote: > > Pardon the intrusion, but.... > In order to finance a new FJR, I must sell the following: > 1) 1991 Concours, 44K, well maintained, many mods, $3250 OBO, > 2) 1983 Honda CX650 Turbo, 44K, nice rider, new tires and seat, $3250 OBO, > 3) 1981 Honda CBX, 4.3 mile 'school' bike, no title, been bumped around > quite a bit in its life, $1800 OBO, > 4) 1979 Honda CBX, 40K, very rough, needs work, runs, $1500 OBO, > 5) 1995 Kawasaki Xi Jetski, 750cc, less than 100 hours, never in salt, > stock except for plate and grate, trailer included, $2000 OBO, > All include free delivery within 250 miles of Allentown, PA. For more > details see http://www.users.fast.net/~heldrj/toys.html or email me direct. > > Thanks for your time, > Bob Held > Allentown, PA > http://www.users.fast.net/~heldrj/ > > PS - please pass on to other lists or friends who might be interested. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 23 14:53:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3NIrdbm012316; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:53:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3NIrbZk012309; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:53:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Newsgroups: alt.motorcycle.sportbike Subject: Sportbike Motorcycle parts for sale cheap! Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:31:56 -0400 Message-ID: <4smdav04at3qj6unltr07jsin6jpuarsph@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- You can place your order online! http://freehost02.websamba.com/blazingbikes/stuff.html 00-03 GSXR parts, 95-02 ZX6R parts, 98-gsxr 600 engine, more Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 23 15:42:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3NJgMbm020526; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:42:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3NJgLD5020516; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:42:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: *chirp* *chirp* Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:38:40 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0304231538403U.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I hope everyone's out riding and not hanging around like me waiting to rebuild a server. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 23 16:08:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3NK8Ubm028574; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:08:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3NK8TSg028564; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:08:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030423150728.00b7e850@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:08:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: OT: Windows XP help needed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm looking for some input from anyone who is a "real" Windows/XP Guru. (You know who you are.) :) Got some questions involving Recovery Console operations and fiddling with the MBR on some disks of mine. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 23 19:09:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3NN9hbm010963; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:09:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3NN9g0o010953; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:09:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005401c309ed$2d295b10$2bc03ad0@VinnyTracey> From: "Vinny & Tracey" To: Subject: group rides in maryland Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:07:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Hello all, I just found the DC Cycles website a couple days ago and noticed that some of the routes on the ride maps are near my home, the Blair Witch ride even passes right by house in New Windsor, Maryland. I bought a Ninja 500R last September (my first bike) and I'm looking to meet up with some other sport bike riders for group rides and maybe a track day or two in the future. I'm not interested in "competitive" group rides. I'm sure a fast pace pushing the limits is fun, right up until someone (maybe me) takes a fall. So, any interest in letting a newbie tag along for the next ride in Maryland? Vinny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 23 19:11:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3NNBObm011005; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:11:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3NNBOST010996; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:11:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:10:26 -0400 Subject: Re: SPAM - 4 Bikes (and Jetski) for Sale From: Stephen Miller To: DC Cycles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EA6A41A.FB70DEB8@comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dale, any further comments on the Concours? I just sold my SV to purchase a summer touring mount, and it looks ideal. Sounds like a runner. on 4/23/03 10:32 AM, Dale Horstman at horkster@XXXXXX wrote: > Forwarding some moto Spam from a friend of > mine - Bob is a good guy. I can personally > vouch for the Connie, but haven't seen his > other bikes. FWIW, the DC area is within From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 23 21:51:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3O1pBbm020684; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:51:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3O1p8Qq020669; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:51:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] X-Originating-Email: [robkeiser@XXXXXX] From: "Rob Keiser" To: vandtdimarco@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: group rides in maryland Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:50:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2003 01:50:46.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC515A40:01C30A03] Sure, Vinny. Welcome to the list. There are some great roads up this way and some great places to eat....Mmmmmm Cozy's! I'm in Germantown and have been up there a number of times. Anyway, keep your eyes open here for some sure to be announced group rides, meetings, happy hours, etc. If you can get used to the inevitable list BS, you're bound to find a few worth riding with! ;) to everyone else! Rob '98 VFR800 www.MotorcycleGroupTours.com From: "Vinny & Tracey" To: Subject: group rides in maryland Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:07:55 -0400 Hello all, I just found the DC Cycles website a couple days ago and noticed that some of the routes on the ride maps are near my home, the Blair Witch ride even passes right by house in New Windsor, Maryland. I bought a Ninja 500R last September (my first bike) and I'm looking to meet up with some other sport bike riders for group rides and maybe a track day or two in the future. I'm not interested in "competitive" group rides. I'm sure a fast pace pushing the limits is fun, right up until someone (maybe me) takes a fall. So, any interest in letting a newbie tag along for the next ride in Maryland? Vinny _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Apr 23 22:01:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3O21Abm023273; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:01:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3O2198T023262; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:01:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009301c30a05$5fbde2e0$0a0110ac@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Rob Keiser" , , References: Subject: Re: group rides in maryland Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:01:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Welcome, Vinny. "Inevitable list BS." Hmmmmph. You must have this outfit confused with another list. :) We used to have these events called "relaxed" rides. Perhaps it's time to revive those. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Keiser" > Sure, Vinny. Welcome to the list. There are some great roads up this way > and some great places to eat....Mmmmmm Cozy's! I'm in Germantown and have > been up there a number of times. > > Anyway, keep your eyes open here for some sure to be announced group rides, > meetings, happy hours, etc. > > If you can get used to the inevitable list BS, you're bound to find a few > worth riding with! ;) to everyone else! > > Rob > > From: "Vinny & Tracey" > > Hello all, > > I just found the DC Cycles website a couple days ago and noticed that some > of the routes on the ride maps are near my home, the Blair Witch ride even > passes right by house in New Windsor, Maryland. ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 24 00:13:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3O4D7bm026370; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 00:13:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3O4D6Vs026360; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 00:13:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 00:12:58 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: SPAM - 4 Bikes (and Jetski) for Sale To: Stephen Miller Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <3EA7644A.4F073037@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Stephen Miller wrote: > > Dale, any further comments on the Concours? I just sold my SV to purchase a > summer touring mount, and it looks ideal. Sounds like a runner. On that particular Concours? Last I saw it (MD2020 last year, I think, spent about 700 miles in my rear view mirrors, and 700 more in front of me....) it was very clean, ran really well, and had some custom, tastefully done pinstriping on it. On Connies in general? Pull up a bar stool, this may take a while... :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 24 03:35:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3O7ZTbm029812; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:35:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3O7ZRhh029797; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:35:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: *chirp* *chirp* Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:31:48 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <0304231538403U.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> In-Reply-To: <0304231538403U.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03042403314840.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 23 April 2003 15:38, Carl Schelin wrote: > I hope everyone's out riding and not hanging around like me waiting to > rebuild a server. > And I'm done and going home. If you see a lone biker on a dark morning blatting down the freeway, it'll be me. Wave. See ya. Carl -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 24 09:25:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3ODPLbm002026; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:25:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3ODPKiC002012; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:25:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:24:52 -0400 Subject: Re: SPAM - 4 Bikes (and Jetski) for Sale From: Stephen Miller To: DC Cycles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EA7644A.4F073037@comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Name the bar. ;-) on 4/24/03 12:12 AM, Dale Horstman at horkster@XXXXXX wrote: > Stephen Miller wrote: >> >> Dale, any further comments on the Concours? I just sold my SV to purchase a >> summer touring mount, and it looks ideal. Sounds like a runner. > > On that particular Concours? Last I saw it (MD2020 last year, > I think, spent about 700 miles in my rear view mirrors, and 700 more in > front of me....) it was very clean, ran really well, and had some > custom, tastefully done pinstriping on it. > > On Connies in general? Pull up a bar stool, this > may take a while... :) > > Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 24 19:37:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3ONbqbm015587; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:37:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3ONbkJO015577; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:37:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001101c30aba$433c3580$b7c23ad0@VinnyTracey> From: "Vinny & Tracey" To: "Paul Wilson" , "Rob Keiser" , References: <009301c30a05$5fbde2e0$0a0110ac@D7XFG711> Subject: Re: group rides in maryland Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:35:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Thanks guys! And gal(s)! 'Relaxed' rides sounds good. What's the pace of a normal ride? I normally ride a little above speed limit (5-15 mph) on most roads, speed limit when going through small towns like New Windsor, Union Bridge, etc. I try not to get in over my head or call too much attention to myself. I don't need a speeding ticket from one of Carroll County's finest, I've had more than my fair share of tickets in the past. Besides, I have another 120 miles to hit the magic 1,000 mile mark (according to Kawasaki) and finish breaking in my bike. So is there a ride this Sunday up to PA? Vinny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Rob Keiser" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 10:01 PM Subject: Re: group rides in maryland > Welcome, Vinny. "Inevitable list BS." Hmmmmph. You must have this outfit > confused with another list. :) > > We used to have these events called "relaxed" rides. Perhaps it's time to > revive those. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Keiser" > > > > Sure, Vinny. Welcome to the list. There are some great roads up this way > > and some great places to eat....Mmmmmm Cozy's! I'm in Germantown and have > > been up there a number of times. > > > > Anyway, keep your eyes open here for some sure to be announced group > rides, > > meetings, happy hours, etc. > > > > If you can get used to the inevitable list BS, you're bound to find a few > > worth riding with! ;) to everyone else! > > > > Rob > > > > From: "Vinny & Tracey" > > > > Hello all, > > > > I just found the DC Cycles website a couple days ago and noticed that some > > of the routes on the ride maps are near my home, the Blair Witch ride even > > passes right by house in New Windsor, Maryland. ... > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 24 21:19:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3P1Jibm018664; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:19:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3P1JhCV018654; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:19:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:19:34 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: SPAM - 4 Bikes (and Jetski) for Sale To: Stephen Miller Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <3EA88D26.55930CDB@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Stephen Miller wrote: > > Name the bar. ;-) You said something about summer touring on a Concours. It's pretty hot behind that big fairing. Fall, Winter, Spring touring, it excels at. :) Summer touring can be rough, especially around here. The COG list is an invaluable aid to any Concours owner. It's a wonderful bike with just a few glaring warts that the factory hasn't gotten around to fixing in it's brief 17 year production run...sigh. The knowledge on that list really helps. Plus the folks are great. I've got over 100,000 miles on my Connie, and I consider it just broken in. I have no plans on replacing it with any other bike for the forseeable future. I figure I'll get another 150,000 out of it, at least, without any major work. Then I can start using the parts bike to keep it running even longer... :) Yeah, I'm a fan. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 24 21:57:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3P1v7bm021461; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:57:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3P1v6b8021453; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:57:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030424214027.0297b5a0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rmeyer9@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:43:49 -0400 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: accessory sale at Honda of Manassas In-Reply-To: References: <3EA7644A.4F073037@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >FYI: Honda of Manassas is offering 20% off all parts and accessories, in stock or special order, through Saturday. Perhaps not that big a deal, but if you buy tires you also get 50% off the cost of tire mounting. I have a feeling with the combined discounts your pretty close to the price of buying tires mail-order and paying extra for mounting and balancing locally. No interest it the business, etc.... Bob Meyer '92 Candy Glory Red Honda ST1100, STOC # 1157 '02 Asphalt Black Honda 919 "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. " From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 24 22:31:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3P2Vrbm027043; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 22:31:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3P2VqPO027033; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 22:31:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA89DDF.50C17386@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 22:30:55 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vinny & Tracey CC: Paul Wilson , Rob Keiser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: group rides in maryland References: <009301c30a05$5fbde2e0$0a0110ac@D7XFG711> <001101c30aba$433c3580$b7c23ad0@VinnyTracey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heh heh - a *normal* ride. Methinks Laura Granato (sp?) set up the relaxed ride scenerio after a few early rides one year that had a questionable *ahem* track record. 16 bikes left, 12 returned. And then there was the mass reckless driving tickiting incident which bagged nine (I think) of our finest riders. But since then dc-cycles rides have tamed down somewhat, from what I read here. You'll never or hardly ever catch me in a group ride with more than three riders. I have Harley - cant' keep up with the crotch rocketeers :-) Bill Vinny & Tracey wrote: > Thanks guys! And gal(s)! > > 'Relaxed' rides sounds good. What's the pace of a normal ride? I normally > ride a little above speed limit (5-15 mph) on most roads, speed limit when > going through small towns like New Windsor, Union Bridge, etc. I try not to > get in over my head or call too much attention to myself. I don't need a > speeding ticket from one of Carroll County's finest, I've had more than my > fair share of tickets in the past. Besides, I have another 120 miles to hit > the magic 1,000 mile mark (according to Kawasaki) and finish breaking in my > bike. > > So is there a ride this Sunday up to PA? > > Vinny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Apr 24 22:35:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3P2Zcbm029595; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 22:35:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3P2ZcWh029588; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 22:35:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030424213356.00b8c8b8@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:35:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: group rides in maryland In-Reply-To: <3EA89DDF.50C17386@patriot.net> References: <009301c30a05$5fbde2e0$0a0110ac@D7XFG711> <001101c30aba$433c3580$b7c23ad0@VinnyTracey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Bill wrote: >And then there was the mass reckless driving tickiting incident which >bagged nine (I think) of our finest riders. That was a complete and total crock of shit. Still pisses me off..... Sean Jordan "The Loudoun Nine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 06:32:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PAWubm002218; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:32:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PAWtoE002208; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:32:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Watch Your Bikes Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:29:11 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03042506291144.24080@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit WashPost: 4/25/2003 Metro Stolen vans recovered: Authorities in Prince George's County this week recovered nine stolen vans that they said had been stripped of their back seats and used to transport stolen motorcycles, possibly to a chop shop. Cpl. Diane Richardson, a police spokeswoman, said the vans - all Plymouth Voyagers and Dodge Caravans were stolen from Maryland, Delaware and North Carolina. -- So, Microsoft says that it would be a National Security risk if Windows Source Code is made public. So why are they releasing it to the Chinese Government? Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 07:13:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PBDNbm010358; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:13:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PBDNhB010351; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:13:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030425111321.72939.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 04:13:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Subject: It's that time of year . . . To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From today's Post: CRIME & JUSTICE Friday, April 25, 2003; Page B02 MARYLAND Stolen vans recovered: Authorities in Prince George's County this week recovered nine stolen vans that they said had been stripped of their back seats and used to transport stolen motorcycles, possibly to a chop shop. Cpl. Diane Richardson, a police spokeswoman, said the vans -- all Plymouth Voyagers and Dodge Caravans -- were stolen from Maryland, Delaware and North Carolina. ====================== -- Also, still looking to sell (not steal) my Speed Triple. Price reduced! See http://www.cycletrader.com/ademail.html?46159124 for more details. Aaron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 09:21:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PDLpbm019074; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:21:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PDLnIW019062; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:21:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030425132142.36363.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:21:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: disabling windows 2000 oplocks To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <3EA89DDF.50C17386@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii how the hell does one disable oplocks in w2000? do i need to edit the registry? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 09:41:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PDfbbm024601; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:41:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PDfYPR024591; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:41:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030425093453.021dbca8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:37:02 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: accessory sale at Honda of Manassas In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030424214027.0297b5a0@pop.east.cox.net> References: <3EA7644A.4F073037@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed They RAPE you on tire mounting. If you don't buy the tires from them at their inflated prices, they tack on a huge charge (like $40). They won't get any more of my tire business. Side note - this week while a clerk was with another customer, 4 kids rode off on 4 of their ATVs ... never to be heard from again .... At 09:43 PM 4/24/2003, Bob Meyer wrote: >Honda of Manassas is offering 20% off all parts and accessories, in stock >or special order, through Saturday. Perhaps not that big a deal, but if >you buy tires you also get 50% off the cost of tire mounting. I have a >feeling with the combined discounts your pretty close to the price of >buying tires mail-order and paying extra for mounting and balancing locally. > >No interest it the business, etc.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 09:59:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PDx1bm027281; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:59:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PDx0Ox027273; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:59:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA890E4.1000801@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:35:32 -0400 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: accessory sale at Honda of Manassas References: <3EA7644A.4F073037@comcast.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030425093453.021dbca8@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030425093453.021dbca8@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > They RAPE you on tire mounting. If you don't buy the tires from them > at their inflated prices, they tack on a huge charge (like $40). They > won't get any more of my tire business. During last year's discount sale I got tires at 20% off with free mounting (on hondas). I paid a few dollars more over mail order (not enough to matter), and I didn't have to find some place to mount them, take the wheels off on my own (after I buy front and rear stands), or pay extra bucks for them to remove the wheels. I was able to drop it off in the morning and pick it up that evening. And they were easy to deal with, I dare say nice. I would not buy tires from a dealer unless there is a good sale, or I had a emergency. My experience, Tom de '98 VTR > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 10:13:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PEDBbm029928; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:13:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PEDAZg029916; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:13:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5165057.1051279984239.JavaMail.nobody@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:13:05 -0400 (EDT) From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" , Vinny & Tracey Subject: Re: Re: group rides in maryland Cc: Paul Wilson , Rob Keiser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Uh, Bill ... certainly you're not accusing any of us of doing anything untoward??? If anyone ever binned it on one of my rides, not my fault. And hitting the deer wasn't my fault either! As for the famous "Loudoun Nine" incident, I wasn't there. Otherwise, it probably would've been 10. Chuck -------Original Message------- From: "William J. Huson" Sent: 04/24/03 10:30 PM To: Vinny & Tracey Subject: Re: group rides in maryland > > Heh heh - a *normal* ride. Methinks Laura Granato (sp?) set up the relaxed ride scenerio after a few early rides one year that had a questionable *ahem* track record. 16 bikes left, 12 returned. And then there was the mass reckless driving tickiting incident which bagged nine (I think) of our finest riders. But since then dc-cycles rides have tamed down somewhat, from what I read here. You'll never or hardly ever catch me in a group ride with more than three riders. I have Harley - cant' keep up with the crotch rocketeers :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 10:35:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PEZ8bm032605; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:35:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PEZ77m032593; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:35:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA94761.55DB6378@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:34:09 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX CC: Vinny & Tracey , Paul Wilson , Rob Keiser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: group rides in maryland References: <5165057.1051279984239.JavaMail.nobody@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nonono. The only thing I could accuse anyone involved would be testostrone fueled exhuberance! Like I *never* ... er, well hardly ever... um, not more'n a few times a week anyway. Of course twisting the trhottle on an 800 pound Harley with a whopping 60+ HP doesn't have quite the same effect, thus keeping me out of serious trouble - most of the time :-) Bill cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Uh, Bill ... certainly you're not accusing any of us of doing anything untoward??? If anyone ever binned it on one of my rides, not my fault. And hitting the deer wasn't my fault either! As for the famous "Loudoun Nine" incident, I wasn't there. Otherwise, it probably would've been 10. > > Chuck > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 11:18:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PFICbm002972; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:18:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PFIB26002962; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:18:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Unmarked camaro on I-66 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:18:05 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640935A@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Watch Your Bikes Thread-Index: AcMLFiaYStcGuIapTbuw9xdCN6wwngAJtrIg From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h3PFIAbm002945 When I was heading home yesterday, I saw an unmarked camaro pull someone over on 66 East, in Rosslyn. They had a police logo on the driver's side door, but nothing else that I could see from the other side of the road. In both directions, there are plenty of construction pickups and workers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 11:38:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PFcLbm008556; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:38:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PFcK3Y008546; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:38:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009901c30b40$ca5b4f20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <5165057.1051279984239.JavaMail.nobody@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <3EA94761.55DB6378@patriot.net> Subject: Re: group rides in maryland Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:38:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 How times flies. I remember one group ride back in '00. Three get-offs and one broken chain occurred. That sort of took the wind out of the sails of "pick up" rides on the list for a while. I recall Mr. Pena being one of the ringleaders of that expedition, and I agree with him that it's not his fault and that "ride your own ride" is always the best policy. I do think it best to dial down the expectations for group rides where the participants don't know each other well. That gave rise to the "relaxed" ride format. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" To: Cc: "Vinny & Tracey" ; "Paul Wilson" ; "Rob Keiser" ; Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: Re: group rides in maryland > Nonono. The only thing I could accuse anyone involved would be testostrone fueled exhuberance! Like I *never* ... er, well hardly ever... um, not more'n a few times a week anyway. Of course twisting the trhottle on an 800 pound Harley with a whopping 60+ HP doesn't have quite the same > effect, thus keeping me out of serious trouble - most of the time :-) > > Bill > > cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Uh, Bill ... certainly you're not accusing any of us of doing anything untoward??? If anyone ever binned it on one of my rides, not my fault. And hitting the deer wasn't my fault either! As for the famous "Loudoun Nine" incident, I wasn't there. Otherwise, it probably would've been 10. > > > > Chuck > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 12:04:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PG4Hbm011279; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:04:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PG4Hc2011269; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:04:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: PVR Ride Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:03:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Apr 27, 2003. 3rd Annual PVR Vintage Motorcycle Ride. Sponsored by Potomac Vintage Riders. This year's featured bike is BMW, which is celebrating the 80th anniversary of its founding. Helping PVR celebrate this anniversary are The DC Area Vintage BMW Riders, a local BMW enthusiast club. The goal is to have at least one example of each major model change, spanning the last 80 years. More information on the DC Area Vintage BMW Riders can be found on their website at http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DC _BMW. 12644 Chapel Road (Across from the Fire Station) Clifton, Virginia 20124. "Rain or Shine". Prizes will be awarded! http://www.virginiawind.com/ gb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 12:21:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PGLZbm016885; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:21:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PGLZ4x016875; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:21:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Not to beat a dead horse but.. Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:21:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030425162128.KYKI24359.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> I recall a discussion a week or so ago concerning plugging motorcycle tires. I read this on a consumer news e-mag I get. LOW TIRES MORE DANGEROUS THAN THOUGHT The danger of running on under-inflated tires goes beyond added tread wear; the result can be fatal. In a recent inci- dent reported to United Press International, the owner of a car was told his tire had actually been torn to shreds, not because of hitting a sharp object, but because of under- inflation. It seems the relatively new rear tire had been repaired several months ago by a well-known tire chain. The company had used a common procedure to fix the tire, pull- ing a vulcanized rubber "plug" through the puncture hole after a nail was removed, then applying a rubber sealant and a patch on the underside of the tread. When the tire later self-destructed at high speed on an Interstate high- way, the repair shop surmised the tire slowly lost air be- cause of a faulty repair and ripped itself apart during high-speed use. Some tire companies are considering phas- ing out the use of plugs to repair radial tires. The prob- lem is a radial tire with low pressure often looks fully inflated. Even an expert often can't tell without a tire gauge. Luckily, the tire was on the rear. Had it been a front tire the result could have been a serious accident. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 12:39:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PGdBbm022431; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:39:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PGdAJJ022421; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:39:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030425123439.021ba888@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:39:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Not to beat a dead horse but.. In-Reply-To: <20030425162128.KYKI24359.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox. net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:21 PM 4/25/2003, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >The prob- >lem is a radial tire with low pressure often looks fully >inflated. Even an expert often can't tell without a tire >gauge. Yeah - and we all use tire gauges to check our pressure. Are there people that check their pressure by glancing down at the tires (car or bike?). I had a front right tire shred at 80 in an '87 Integra several years ago. Middle-of-nowhere Wisconsin. Pulled over and swapped it without rolling the car or hitting anyone. I had what is known as a run-flat when a rock tore my valve stem off. If I hadn't been driving for 18 hours when it happened, I probably would have noticed the sloppy feeling in the front tires. PS - My rear patch is holding very nicely. No air loss after 2 weeks of commuting. :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 13:02:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PH2Bbm025142; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:02:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PH2AYW025132; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:02:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030425170203.6926.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:02:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Not to beat a dead horse but.. To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030425162128.KYKI24359.lakemtao02.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ah, yes.... but you are forgetting that we have a former tire jockey on the list. the risk therefore doesn't apply to us. --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > I recall a discussion a week or so ago concerning > plugging motorcycle tires. I read this on a consumer news > e-mag I get. > > > LOW TIRES MORE DANGEROUS THAN THOUGHT > > The danger of running on under-inflated tires goes beyond > added tread wear; the result can be fatal. In a recent > inci- > dent reported to United Press International, the owner of > a > car was told his tire had actually been torn to shreds, > not > because of hitting a sharp object, but because of under- > inflation. It seems the relatively new rear tire had been > repaired several months ago by a well-known tire chain. > The > company had used a common procedure to fix the tire, > pull- > ing a vulcanized rubber "plug" through the puncture hole > after a nail was removed, then applying a rubber sealant > and a patch on the underside of the tread. When the tire > later self-destructed at high speed on an Interstate > high- > way, the repair shop surmised the tire slowly lost air > be- > cause of a faulty repair and ripped itself apart during > high-speed use. Some tire companies are considering > phas- > ing out the use of plugs to repair radial tires. The > prob- > lem is a radial tire with low pressure often looks fully > inflated. Even an expert often can't tell without a tire > gauge. Luckily, the tire was on the rear. Had it been a > front tire the result could have been a serious accident. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 13:08:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PH8Ybm027720; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:08:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PH8XKE027711; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:08:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200304251708.AEX60315@ms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:08:30 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Not to beat a dead horse but.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I had a front right tire shred at 80 in an '87 Integra >several years ago. Middle-of-nowhere Wisconsin [Dave] About 2 years ago, I noticed one of my wife's tires looked pretty low, so I gave the scientifically proven "thumb test(tm)" and the tire failed. I broke out the compressor, filled it to spec and told the wife "get thee to a place which will repair the left front black donut". She did, but the tire was destroyed; inside there were rubber chunks & visible signs of excessive heat... It was a blowout waiting to happen. The station saved the chunked tire for me to look at, and it was ugly... too bad really, she got some astronomical figure out of those tires 89 or so thousand miles... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 13:11:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PHBlbm030282; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:11:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PHBlGa030277; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:11:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:17:21 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Not to beat a dead horse but.. In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030425123439.021ba888@mail.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pretty soon it will be a federal safety requirement for all cars to have pressure monitoring systems because people are too f-ing lazy to check the pressure. I love seeing the soccer mommy in the SUV with tires that look like they've been aired down to hit the rubicon. Of course these are the same ones the will merge into you without looking. Good thing they inflate them when they are installed, otherwise they'd be in real trouble. Dan -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 14:21:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PILVbm000866; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:21:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PILUCS000856; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:21:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA97C3F.C0FC6229@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:19:43 -0700 From: Skip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Not to beat a dead horse but.. References: <20030425170203.6926.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at here. if it's humor, include a "humor tag"(tm). if it's a jab at my former employment, ok. If it's a jab at my opinion, you're welcome to disagree with me. As I said when I expressed my opinion, your mileage may vary. If a tire has been run flat to the point where the liner began shredding, you'll probably see evidence of that on the outside. Skip Tom Gimer wrote: > > ah, yes.... but you are forgetting that we have a former > tire jockey on the list. the risk therefore doesn't apply > to us. > > --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > I recall a discussion a week or so ago concerning > > plugging motorcycle tires. I read this on a consumer news > > e-mag I get. > > > > > > LOW TIRES MORE DANGEROUS THAN THOUGHT > > > > The danger of running on under-inflated tires goes beyond > > added tread wear; the result can be fatal. In a recent > > inci- > > dent reported to United Press International, the owner of > > a > > car was told his tire had actually been torn to shreds, > > not > > because of hitting a sharp object, but because of under- > > inflation. It seems the relatively new rear tire had been > > repaired several months ago by a well-known tire chain. > > The > > company had used a common procedure to fix the tire, > > pull- > > ing a vulcanized rubber "plug" through the puncture hole > > after a nail was removed, then applying a rubber sealant > > and a patch on the underside of the tread. When the tire > > later self-destructed at high speed on an Interstate > > high- > > way, the repair shop surmised the tire slowly lost air > > be- > > cause of a faulty repair and ripped itself apart during > > high-speed use. Some tire companies are considering > > phas- > > ing out the use of plugs to repair radial tires. The > > prob- > > lem is a radial tire with low pressure often looks fully > > inflated. Even an expert often can't tell without a tire > > gauge. Luckily, the tire was on the rear. Had it been a > > front tire the result could have been a serious accident. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 14:38:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PIcCbm003534; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:38:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PIcCuW003524; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:38:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030425183805.96024.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:38:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Not to beat a dead horse but.. To: Skip Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3EA97C3F.C0FC6229@tasam.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii c'mon skip.... it was a jab at your "if it holds air, run it" opinion (or whatever similar language you used), ESPECIALLY if it was followed by a "your mileage may vary" qualifier (which i don't recall). it most certainly was NOT a jab at your former employment. as for humor tags, i rarely use em. are they required on this list? --- Skip wrote: > I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at here. if > it's humor, > include a "humor tag"(tm). if it's a jab at my former > employment, ok. > If it's a jab at my opinion, you're welcome to disagree > with me. As I > said when I expressed my opinion, your mileage may vary. > > If a tire has been run flat to the point where the liner > began > shredding, you'll probably see evidence of that on the > outside. > > Skip > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > ah, yes.... but you are forgetting that we have a > former > > tire jockey on the list. the risk therefore doesn't > apply > > to us. > > > > --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I recall a discussion a week or so ago concerning > > > plugging motorcycle tires. I read this on a consumer > news > > > e-mag I get. > > > > > > > > > LOW TIRES MORE DANGEROUS THAN THOUGHT __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 15:35:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PJZYbm006449; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:35:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PJZXOK006439; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:35:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <49.2db0edf6.2bdae7fc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:35:24 EDT Subject: Re: Not to beat a dead horse but.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/25/2003 12:39:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > I had a front right tire shred at 80 in an '87 Integra several years > ago. Middle-of-nowhere Wisconsin. Pulled over and swapped it without > rolling the car or hitting anyone. The primary cause of rollover and crashes due to tire failure, bikes and cars, is _panic_ those who do not panic usually just roll to a stop. Of course you cannot sue the tire company if you admit you crashed due to panic. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 15:42:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PJgDbm009043; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:42:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PJgD43009030; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:42:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030425154159.0239e1f8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:42:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Not to beat a dead horse but.. In-Reply-To: <49.2db0edf6.2bdae7fc@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:35 PM 4/25/2003, you wrote: >Of course you cannot sue the tire company if you admit you crashed due to >panic. Sure you _can_. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 15:47:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PJlhbm011633; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:47:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PJlgu1011623; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:47:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030425194730.49537.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:47:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: group rides in maryland To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001101c30aba$433c3580$b7c23ad0@VinnyTracey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I haven't seen a dc-cycles ride, relaxed or otherwise advertised in a while. The last big one I remember was Paul's tour of DC last year. Vinny, I wouldn't wait for the list to advertise a relaxed ride. Pick a destination and a date, and ask people on the list if they would be interested in riding. I'm sure you would get at least a couple of people who would come out, and you could state in your mail that it would be a low to moderate pace ride. Keith --- Vinny & Tracey wrote: > Thanks guys! And gal(s)! > > 'Relaxed' rides sounds good. What's the pace of a > normal ride? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 16:10:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PKA3bm014333; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:10:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PKA3Ql014323; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:10:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3b.3724123b.2bdaf013@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:09:55 EDT Subject: Re: Not to beat a dead horse but.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/25/2003 3:42:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > >Of course you cannot sue the tire company if you admit you crashed due to > >panic. > > Sure you _can_. That is why it says "admit no guilt" on the back of my insurance card. Yes you can still sue, you just are a lot less likely to win, you can sue for anything. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 17:29:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PLT0bm017333; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:29:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PLSvN9017318; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:28:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:40:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Not to beat a dead horse but.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, dan wrote: > Pretty soon it will be a federal safety requirement for all cars to have > pressure monitoring systems because people are too f-ing lazy to check the > pressure. I think this is coming soon. Some cars with run flats (C5 'Vette) already have these systems. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 17:32:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3PLWmbm017385; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:32:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3PLWmkk017376; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:32:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] X-Originating-Email: [richallmc@XXXXXX] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unmarked camaro on I-66 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:32:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2003 21:32:29.0283 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C3C4330:01C30B72] Thanks for the tip, I hardly ever see police inside the beltway on 66. >From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" >To: >Subject: Unmarked camaro on I-66 >Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:18:05 -0400 > > >When I was heading home yesterday, I saw an unmarked camaro pull someone >over on 66 East, in Rosslyn. They had a police logo on the driver's side >door, but nothing else that I could see from the other side of the road. >In both directions, there are plenty of construction pickups and workers. > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 22:37:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3Q2bkbm031246; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 22:37:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3Q2bigl031239; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 22:37:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.35.61.66] X-Originating-Email: [hotrivet@XXXXXX] From: "George B" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: I-66 LEO's Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 02:37:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2003 02:37:25.0957 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5E72750:01C30B9C] I always see cops inside the beltway on 66, in fact I see them there more than anywhere else and that includes 495. Maybe some of you have noticed an absence during rush hour, but I ride VRE and avoid all the crap traffic. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 22:37:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3Q2bkbm031247; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 22:37:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3Q2bhOq031230; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 22:37:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.35.61.66] X-Originating-Email: [hotrivet@XXXXXX] From: "George B" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: I-66 LEO's Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 02:37:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2003 02:37:36.0170 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBFD88A0:01C30B9C] I always see cops inside the beltway on 66, in fact I see them there more than anywhere else and that includes 495. Maybe some of you have noticed an absence during rush hour, but I ride VRE and avoid all the crap traffic. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Apr 25 23:35:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3Q3Z2bm010023; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 23:35:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3Q3Z2jc010015; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 23:35:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030426033444.51073.qmail@web12203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 20:34:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Manassas Honda (tire mounting) To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030425093453.021dbca8@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nah..[Manassas Honda-Kawi] is not that bad with the prices of tire mounting, $20/wheel if you bring in the wheels and tires (not purchased at Manassas Honda.) I just brought them up recently for a dirt bike that I'm resurrecting. Coleman charges $30/wheel for Coleman-ordered tires. My buddy got screwed on tire mounting at Loudon Motorsports for tires he ORDERED through them, though the wheels were still on the bike..I think they charged him $60 per tire - I couldn't believe it at the time..then again, the guys didn't seem particularly friendly either. Last time I had tires mounted on my BMW, I brought my wheels over to Crossroads where they told me they would charge $30 a wheel..but it ended up being $25/per if I would JUST STOP TALKING to them... Good guys, I try to support 'em when I can. I do want to try those folks over in the small shop in Fairfax sometime though. -Corbett '99 K1200RS '82 Honda XL250R --- Troutman wrote: > They RAPE you on tire mounting. If you don't buy > the tires from them at > their inflated prices, they tack on a huge charge > (like $40). They won't > get any more of my tire business. Side note - this > week while a clerk was > with another customer, 4 kids rode off on 4 of their > ATVs ... never to be > heard from again .... > > At 09:43 PM 4/24/2003, Bob Meyer wrote: > >Honda of Manassas is offering 20% off all parts and > accessories, in stock > >or special order, through Saturday. Perhaps not > that big a deal, but if > >you buy tires you also get 50% off the cost of tire > mounting. I have a > >feeling with the combined discounts your pretty > close to the price of > >buying tires mail-order and paying extra for > mounting and balancing locally. > > > >No interest it the business, etc.... > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 26 01:31:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3Q5Vebm013176; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:31:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3Q5VcGj013086; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:31:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EA8C6CC.296521C4@carlparker.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 01:25:32 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: speaking of the local coppers... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BTW I noticed that State Troppers are stationed just before the 495 exit heading west on 66 at night. I've driven/riden that road almost every day for probably 5-6 years now and in the past three days I've seen VA's finest revenue collectors positioned there with lights off waiting for someone who's enjoying the 3 lanes on a nice night. They never used to lurk there. "Are you aware that by enjoying this road on a beautiful evening you're in violation of section 14 subsection 2 of the Commonwealth of Virginia Traffic Code?" "No officer I must just be a drunk, violent, tessorist, dumbass with all kinds of contraban in the car." "I'm sure you are...wait here 15 minutes while I punch buttons, drink coffee, eat doughnuts, and give you a 150 dollar citation. Oh and I'll be sure to call your insurance company to let them know you're an 'at-risk' driver. The amount they jack your insurance should be enough to buy me a new radar detector that won't cause testicular cancer." "Sure thing...you want me to grab a 2x4 so you can shove it up my a** too?" "Yeah, I've got some in the back of the car. You like oak or pine?" "Oh...a selection that's nice and convenient...the last guy made me go find one from the side of the road." Grumble Grumble, Carl who is also a Carl who's skeptical about how "free" we are. Honestly...in 3000 years how much has changed? Step out of line and the man will come and take you away. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 26 08:17:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3QCHtbm020640; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 08:17:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3QCHs9Z020628; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 08:17:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003401c30bed$e4fc98e0$0a0110ac@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: WAMU - radar cam suit Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 08:18:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Horace Bradshaw, the attorney suing the city on behalf of radar and red light cam ticketees appeared on yesterday's "DC Politics Hour" on WAMU's Kojo Nnamdi Show. It's about 45 minutes into the program. Might be worth a listen. The suit is based on due process claims. http://www.wamu.org/kojo/index.html Scroll down to Friday and click on "listen" for a Real Audio stream. The show also airs on WHUT Howard University TV Ch. 32 at 11AM today. --Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 26 13:25:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3QHPSbm027798; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:25:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3QHPRWw027788; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:25:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:25:10 -0400 From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Done Lurking MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3D4A47CD.39E62A33.222F748D@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings and Salutations to my DC-Cycle listers! I survived winter and just turned over 7100 miles yesterday on my cute purple cruiser! I am however looking for one of those 'crotch rocketeers' (quoting Bill). I've found that many dealers are willing to install a dogbone sort of thing to lower the bike. I've found less dealers who sell longer legs! I can actually fit on the Ninja 500 but I'm not sure that's the bike that I want. I've sat on the SV650S and like it; however, it will need lowered by about 3 inches for me to feel comfy. Vinny -- good to see another northern MDer on the list. I live in Owings Mills and keep my bike in Westminster -- we're practically neighbors! I'm always interested in local rides. I usually keep my speeds down (relatively) unless I'm riding with fast riders. Any thoughts on short sportbikes? lowering and the drawbacks? or sticking with my cruiser and its 4 gears? Too bad it's raining... Jenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 26 13:46:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3QHkBbm000930; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:46:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3QHkBfF000920; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:46:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000601c30c1b$b58776b0$6400a8c0@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: <3D4A47CD.39E62A33.222F748D@aol.com> Subject: Re: Done Lurking Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:46:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c2609919e8f4b9b7837acdacc563f314c5950a2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c >I've sat on the SV650S and like it; however, it will need lowered by about 3 inches for me to feel comfy. Just don't stop and it doesn't matter... ;-) > Any thoughts on short sportbikes? lowering and the drawbacks? or sticking with my cruiser and its 4 gears? You will lose some ground clearance in corners due to a reduced lean angle before hard bits start to scrape, and of course, large bumps will make it all the way through the suspension. > Too bad it's raining... Tomorrow :-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 26 13:51:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3QHpcbm003567; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:51:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3QHpcaf003554; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:51:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:03:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Done Lurking In-Reply-To: <3D4A47CD.39E62A33.222F748D@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Any thoughts on short sportbikes? lowering and the drawbacks? or sticking with my cruiser and its 4 gears? I'd look towards a nekkid bike for now, like the SV*. Lowering can negatively affect handling, but if it's the only way for you to ride a sportier bike, then do it. Installing lowering bones is a snap, I'm sure someone on the list can help. If/when you need it, drop me a line and you can bring the bike to my house and we can do the install. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 26 18:17:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3QMH1bm007453; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:17:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3QMH0n8007440; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:17:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030426171010.00b87400@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 17:15:09 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Done Lurking In-Reply-To: <3D4A47CD.39E62A33.222F748D@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Get a custom saddle from someone like Sargent and the like...they can cut some foam out, which will give you some more height without sacrificing clearance and suspension travel. Also, get some boots with thick soles, or have your current boots changed to give you some more height. 7100 miles is a great start! I'd recommend going with the EX500, then the SV650. The EX500 is a great bike: cheap, lots of parts for it, and good performance for the money. The SV is a little "hotter" and a little more expensive....but one of the all around best motorcycles to make it into the US in recent history. (IMHO) Can't go wrong with either one. I'd stay away from full-on 600's and the like until you have some more miles under your belt...they're entirely different creatures from the cruiser you're used to and some of the latest crop of 600's are pushing *over* 100+ hp are the rear-wheel, bone stock. Just my $.02. Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 26 19:22:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3QNMVbm017747; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:22:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3QNMUTd017737; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:22:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott Luttrell" To: Subject: YSR50 for sale Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:22:38 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: e2c63244442b8429c7241db9527313ca9ef193a6bfc3dd48307b7d0218a2565c0f4b6da673ccf7fda2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Selling my YSR50 if your interested email me off list for details. Bike located in Leesburg area. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 26 19:37:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3QNbVbm023293; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:37:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3QNbUbI023283; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:37:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030426193618.01155550@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:37:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Bad Luck Thread Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks for bringing up the punctured tire thread again. I walked out to my truck Friday afternoon to find a flat right rear. Two nails. Argh. Just got back from putting 4 new tires on - they were due anyway. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 26 21:37:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3R1bobm029392; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 21:37:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3R1bnKl029382; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 21:37:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030427013742.37946.qmail@web14802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:37:42 -0700 (PDT) From: patti rodgers Subject: DC MC license written test might have wrong answers To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Or maybe I am just high... but I am helping my neighbor get his learner's permit, so I was on the dmv.dc.gov site downloading the study guide. They have an online practice test so I tried it out and was a little confused by this one: 20. When following a vehicle with four or more wheels, in what part of the lane should the operator of a motorcycle travel? A. In the center and directly behind the vehicle ahead. B. Maintain your lane and stay slightly to the right or left of the vehicle ahead. C. It doesn't matter which part of the lane you travel in. You selected : B Correct answer : A WTF--Huh??? I thought we wanted to stay OUT of the center of the lane when possible and we DIDN'T want to be directly behind the car, because the middle of the lane is where all the crud is. And I can see better if I am riding in the left or the right of the lane, depending on what I'm behind. And I can stay the hell out of their blind spot if I am not smack in the middle of the lane. I emailed this to a friend of mine who works at DMV. He's a techie so he can't do anything about it but in the past when I have DMV issues he's gotten me the right person in a day or two. What does MSF teach? I couldn't find it on their web site. How about MD or VA tests? I could only find one government-sponsored reference to this on the Internet, which was from Canada. I think that is a pretty big mistake for DC to make but I guess I am looking for someone to agree with me, that they are wrong on this. Because I am totally confused now! Thanks, cheers, Patti __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 26 22:41:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3R2fSbm002770; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:41:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3R2fM8e002758; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:41:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030426223643.02c78c50@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:41:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: DC MC license written test might have wrong answers In-Reply-To: <20030427013742.37946.qmail@web14802.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:37 PM 4/26/2003, you wrote: >Or maybe I am just high... but I am helping my >neighbor get his learner's permit, so I was on the >dmv.dc.gov site downloading the study guide. They have >an online practice test so I tried it out and was a >little confused by this one: > >20. When following a vehicle with four or more wheels, >in what part of the lane should the operator of a >motorcycle travel? > A. In the center and directly behind the vehicle >ahead. >B. Maintain your lane and stay slightly to the right >or left of the vehicle ahead. >C. It doesn't matter which part of the lane you travel >in. > > You selected : B Correct answer : A > > >WTF--Huh??? I thought we wanted to stay OUT of the >center of the lane when possible and we DIDN'T want to >be directly behind the car, because the middle of the >lane is where all the crud is. And I can see better >if I am riding in the left or the right of the lane, >depending on what I'm behind. And I can stay the hell >out of their blind spot if I am not smack in the >middle of the lane. > >I emailed this to a friend of mine who works at DMV. >He's a techie so he can't do anything about it but in >the past when I have DMV issues he's gotten me the >right person in a day or two. > >What does MSF teach? I couldn't find it on their web >site. How about MD or VA tests? I could only find one >government-sponsored reference to this on the >Internet, which was from Canada. I think that is a >pretty big mistake for DC to make but I guess I am >looking for someone to agree with me, that they are >wrong on this. Because I am totally confused now! > >Thanks, cheers, > >Patti Va's DMV is vague but recommends *generally* that you use the center portion, left or right of any grease spots, (which btw, they think is way overblown), so that you aren't hit by passing motorists side mirrors, get squeezed out of the lane if you're too far right and have equal movement either left or right. here's what they say: http://dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/drivers/mcmanual/mcmanual6b.asp#mc4 however, having just taken the written exam about two months ago, I *do* know that the correct answer on the exam is that you should be as close to the center portion of the lane as possible. I *still* feel that's wrong though. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 26 22:41:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3R2fXbm002796; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:41:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3R2fWHw002790; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:41:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000901c30c66$434ea190$66c03ad0@VinnyTracey> From: "Vinny & Tracey" To: References: <200304262300.h3QN00cI010207@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 04/26/03 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:39:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Hey Jenn, Westminster is only about 6-7 miles away, I used to live there. The Ninja 500 is a great bike. Kawasaki claims 50 hp. I think it has plenty power is is very comfortable. I also considered the SV650 but thought it was a little too much bike as a first bike, it was also more money and insurance was more expensive. I think the answer to lowering the suspension was already given. I would also make sure that the front suspension is also adjusted to compensate for the change in the bike's geometry. There's a group ride tomorrow morning, I got a message from Lilbkrbabe5@XXXXXX with directions. We're meeting at the Dunkin Donuts at rt 140/Riestertown road with the ride starting at 10 am, heading up to Gettysburg. Later, Vinny ----- Original Message ----- From: "The dc-cycles list administrator" To: Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 7:00 PM Subject: dc-cycles digest for 04/26/03 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list > (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. > =( \___/ )= > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > \ || || / > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: > \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX > |_| > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > X-Originating-Email: [hotrivet@XXXXXX] > From: "George B" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: I-66 LEO's > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 02:37:25 +0000 > > I always see cops inside the beltway on 66, in fact I see them there more > than anywhere else and that includes 495. Maybe some of you have noticed an > absence during rush hour, but I ride VRE and avoid all the crap traffic. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Originating-Email: [hotrivet@XXXXXX] > From: "George B" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: I-66 LEO's > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 02:37:35 +0000 > > I always see cops inside the beltway on 66, in fact I see them there more > than anywhere else and that includes 495. Maybe some of you have noticed an > absence during rush hour, but I ride VRE and avoid all the crap traffic. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 20:34:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: Corbett B > Subject: Re: Manassas Honda (tire mounting) > To: DC Cycles > > Nah..[Manassas Honda-Kawi] is not that bad with the > prices of tire mounting, $20/wheel if you bring in the > wheels and tires (not purchased at Manassas Honda.) I > just brought them up recently for a dirt bike that I'm > resurrecting. > > Coleman charges $30/wheel for Coleman-ordered tires. > > My buddy got screwed on tire mounting at Loudon > Motorsports for tires he ORDERED through them, though > the wheels were still on the bike..I think they > charged him $60 per tire - I couldn't believe it at > the time..then again, the guys didn't seem > particularly friendly either. > > Last time I had tires mounted on my BMW, I brought my > wheels over to Crossroads where they told me they > would charge $30 a wheel..but it ended up being > $25/per if I would JUST STOP TALKING to them... Good > guys, I try to support 'em when I can. > > I do want to try those folks over in the small shop in > Fairfax sometime though. > > -Corbett > '99 K1200RS > '82 Honda XL250R > > --- Troutman wrote: > > They RAPE you on tire mounting. If you don't buy > > the tires from them at > > their inflated prices, they tack on a huge charge > > (like $40). They won't > > get any more of my tire business. Side note - this > > week while a clerk was > > with another customer, 4 kids rode off on 4 of their > > ATVs ... never to be > > heard from again .... > > > > At 09:43 PM 4/24/2003, Bob Meyer wrote: > > >Honda of Manassas is offering 20% off all parts and > > accessories, in stock > > >or special order, through Saturday. Perhaps not > > that big a deal, but if > > >you buy tires you also get 50% off the cost of tire > > mounting. I have a > > >feeling with the combined discounts your pretty > > close to the price of > > >buying tires mail-order and paying extra for > > mounting and balancing locally. > > > > > >No interest it the business, etc.... > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org > > > > > > > ===== > -Corbett > '99 BMW K1200RS > AMA Member > BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 01:25:32 -0400 > From: Carl Parker > To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > Subject: speaking of the local coppers... > > BTW I noticed that State Troppers are stationed just before the 495 exit > heading west on 66 at night. I've driven/riden that road almost every > day for probably 5-6 years now and in the past three days I've seen VA's > finest revenue collectors positioned there with lights off waiting for > someone who's enjoying the 3 lanes on a nice night. They never used to > lurk there. > > "Are you aware that by enjoying this road on a beautiful evening you're > in violation of section 14 subsection 2 of the Commonwealth of Virginia > Traffic Code?" > > "No officer I must just be a drunk, violent, tessorist, dumbass with all > kinds of contraban in the car." > > "I'm sure you are...wait here 15 minutes while I punch buttons, drink > coffee, eat doughnuts, and give you a 150 dollar citation. Oh and I'll > be sure to call your insurance company to let them know you're an > 'at-risk' driver. The amount they jack your insurance should be enough > to buy me a new radar detector that won't cause testicular cancer." > > "Sure thing...you want me to grab a 2x4 so you can shove it up my a** > too?" > > "Yeah, I've got some in the back of the car. You like oak or pine?" > > "Oh...a selection that's nice and convenient...the last guy made me go > find one from the side of the road." > > > Grumble Grumble, > Carl who is also a Carl who's skeptical about how "free" we are. > Honestly...in 3000 years how much has changed? Step out of line and the > man will come and take you away. > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "DC-CYCLES" > Subject: WAMU - radar cam suit > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 08:18:06 -0400 > > Horace Bradshaw, the attorney suing the city on behalf of radar and red > light cam ticketees appeared on yesterday's "DC Politics Hour" on WAMU's > Kojo Nnamdi Show. It's about 45 minutes into the program. Might be worth a > listen. The suit is based on due process claims. > > http://www.wamu.org/kojo/index.html > > Scroll down to Friday and click on "listen" for a Real Audio stream. > > The show also airs on WHUT Howard University TV Ch. 32 at 11AM today. > > > --Paul in DC > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:25:10 -0400 > From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Done Lurking > > Greetings and Salutations to my DC-Cycle listers! > > I survived winter and just turned over 7100 miles yesterday on my cute purple cruiser! I am however looking for one of those 'crotch rocketeers' (quoting Bill). I've found that many dealers are willing to install a dogbone sort of thing to lower the bike. I've found less dealers who sell longer legs! I can actually fit on the Ninja 500 but I'm not sure that's the bike that I want. I've sat on the SV650S and like it; however, it will need lowered by about 3 inches for me to feel comfy. > > Vinny -- good to see another northern MDer on the list. I live in Owings Mills and keep my bike in Westminster -- we're practically neighbors! I'm always interested in local rides. I usually keep my speeds down (relatively) unless I'm riding with fast riders. > > Any thoughts on short sportbikes? lowering and the drawbacks? or sticking with my cruiser and its 4 gears? > > Too bad it's raining... > Jenn > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" > From: "Michael Jordan" > To: > Subject: Re: Done Lurking > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:46:01 -0400 > X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c2609919e8f4b9b7837acdacc563f314c 5950a2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > > >I've sat on the SV650S and like it; however, it will need lowered by about > 3 inches for me to feel comfy. > > Just don't stop and it doesn't matter... ;-) > > > Any thoughts on short sportbikes? lowering and the drawbacks? or > sticking with my cruiser and its 4 gears? > > You will lose some ground clearance in corners due to a reduced lean angle > before hard bits start to scrape, and of course, large bumps will make it > all the way through the suspension. > > > Too bad it's raining... > > Tomorrow :-) > > Michael J. > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:03:08 -0400 (EDT) > From: Wayne Edelen > To: > Subject: Re: Done Lurking > > On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Any thoughts on short sportbikes? lowering and the drawbacks? or sticking with my cruiser and its 4 gears? > > I'd look towards a nekkid bike for now, like the SV*. Lowering can > negatively affect handling, but if it's the only way for you to ride a > sportier bike, then do it. > > Installing lowering bones is a snap, I'm sure someone on the list can > help. If/when you need it, drop me a line and you can bring the bike to > my house and we can do the install. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 17:15:09 -0500 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Sean Jordan > Subject: Re: Done Lurking > > Get a custom saddle from someone like Sargent and the like...they can cut > some foam out, which will give you some more height without sacrificing > clearance and suspension travel. Also, get some boots with thick soles, or > have your current boots changed to give you some more height. > > 7100 miles is a great start! I'd recommend going with the EX500, then the > SV650. The EX500 is a great bike: cheap, lots of parts for it, and good > performance for the money. The SV is a little "hotter" and a little more > expensive....but one of the all around best motorcycles to make it into the > US in recent history. (IMHO) Can't go wrong with either one. > > I'd stay away from full-on 600's and the like until you have some more > miles under your belt...they're entirely different creatures from the > cruiser you're used to and some of the latest crop of 600's are pushing > *over* 100+ hp are the rear-wheel, bone stock. > > Just my $.02. > > Sean Jordan > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Apr 26 22:42:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3R2gMbm002873; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:42:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3R2gMtb002869; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:42:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:42:14 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: DC MC license written test might have wrong answers To: patti rodgers Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <3EAB4386.29FECF18@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20030427013742.37946.qmail@web14802.mail.yahoo.com> patti rodgers wrote: > > WTF--Huh??? I thought we wanted to stay OUT of the > center of the lane when possible and we DIDN'T want to > be directly behind the car, because the middle of the > lane is where all the crud is. And I can see better > if I am riding in the left or the right of the lane, > depending on what I'm behind. And I can stay the hell > out of their blind spot if I am not smack in the > middle of the lane. Plus your headlight is shining right in their rear-view mirror, blinding the good 10% of drivers out there that actually use it. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 27 00:42:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3R4ggbm010979; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:42:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3R4geaI010968; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:42:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E493A3@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'dc-cycles '" Subject: RE: DC MC license written test might have wrong answers Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:53:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nah, to the side of the lane is where you want to be. You'll be out of the goop, the guy in front may be able to see you in 2 mirrors, you can see around him, people in the next lane can see you in their side mirrors, you can escape, etc. The VA DMV is flat wrong on some of their questions too. One that burned me was something like: If you're travelling along a line of parked cars, you need to watch out for: A) People walking out B) Cars pulling out C) Opening car doors I can tell you from enough experience riding next to parked cars (11 yrs) that people and cars are not your problem. You can see them. Door openers are your problem. Don't tell DMV that though. They're in lala land. We need to find who writes these tests and stick them on a motorcycle for a year and see what they think of their answers then. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F -----Original Message---- At 09:37 PM 4/26/2003, you wrote: >Or maybe I am just high... but I am helping my >neighbor get his learner's permit, so I was on the >dmv.dc.gov site downloading the study guide. They have >an online practice test so I tried it out and was a >little confused by this one: > >20. When following a vehicle with four or more wheels, >in what part of the lane should the operator of a >motorcycle travel? > A. In the center and directly behind the vehicle >ahead. >B. Maintain your lane and stay slightly to the right >or left of the vehicle ahead. >C. It doesn't matter which part of the lane you travel >in. > > You selected : B Correct answer : A > >WTF--Huh??? >Patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 27 00:45:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3R4jXbm013566; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:45:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3R4jWQa013551; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:45:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:45:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: patti rodgers cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: DC MC license written test might have wrong answers In-Reply-To: <20030427013742.37946.qmail@web14802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop-Detect: 1 Patti -- When I took the MSF course the instructors specifically discussed that question. They said that regardless of what they'd taught, the VA exam was expecting the center-of-the-lane choice. *shrug* -ph On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, patti rodgers wrote: > ... > 20. When following a vehicle with four or more wheels, > in what part of the lane should the operator of a > motorcycle travel? > A. In the center and directly behind the vehicle > ahead. > B. Maintain your lane and stay slightly to the right > or left of the vehicle ahead. > C. It doesn't matter which part of the lane you travel > in. > > You selected : B Correct answer : A > > > WTF--Huh??? I thought we wanted to stay OUT of the > center of the lane when possible and we DIDN'T want to [snip] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 27 00:47:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3R4ldbm016149; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:47:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3R4ldOS016134; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:47:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E493A4@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Done Lurking Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:58:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Like was said already, how about a naked sportier bike first? That, and low seat height reminds me instantly of the Hawk. You should at least sit on one. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F -----Original Message----- On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Any thoughts on short sportbikes? lowering and the drawbacks? or sticking with my cruiser and its 4 gears? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 27 01:06:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3R56Rbm018809; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 01:06:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3R56RtC018799; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 01:06:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Subject: RE: DC MC license written test might have wrong answers Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 01:06:19 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640935D@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DC MC license written test might have wrong answers Thread-Index: AcMMd+vH0lecqk00Qy+K822alu974AAADTx1 From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" Cc: "DC Cycles" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h3R56Qbm018782 I know for a fact that PA expects riders to stay in the middle of the lane. PA MSF instructor indicated that the justification for it is that drivers are much more likely to look in the rear view mirror than their side mirrors. Further still, during the night, a driver looking in his side mirror is more likely to mistake a bike for a car. Hence the center of the lane recommendation. Personally, I think that the "crud on the street" reason is overblown for highways, and underestimated for intersections and some smaller, slower, busy city streets. I have come to a complete stop at several intersections, and almost slipped on the invisible stuff cars leave behind. One time, I was nothing less than amazed. I couldn't see the stuff, but when I placed my boot on it, I felt like I was on ice. I could see myself slipping just *walking* across that stuff, not to mention riding through it. That said, allow me to share with you what happened to me last weekend. I was riding through Rock Creek pkwy, (for the first time) going about 50-55. I was riding in the left lane. As I exited one turn, a mustang convertible blew past me, *in my lane* and came within 1 foot or so of my left mirror. Then the guy waved at me and kept going? :( The problem is that I tend to move around in my lane. Thankfully, I didn't go to the center as he was passing me. Thankfully, I have 1000s of miles on my bicycle that have prepared me for that "oh shit" moment when someone passes within inches of you going much faster and not panicking. The point is: drivers are less likely to "share a lane" with you if you are in the center. -Witold -----Original Message----- From: Peter Hartzler [mailto:pete@XXXXXX] Sent: Sun 4/27/2003 12:45 AM To: patti rodgers Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: DC MC license written test might have wrong answers Patti -- When I took the MSF course the instructors specifically discussed that question. They said that regardless of what they'd taught, the VA exam was expecting the center-of-the-lane choice. *shrug* -ph On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, patti rodgers wrote: > ... > 20. When following a vehicle with four or more wheels, > in what part of the lane should the operator of a > motorcycle travel? > A. In the center and directly behind the vehicle > ahead. > B. Maintain your lane and stay slightly to the right > or left of the vehicle ahead. > C. It doesn't matter which part of the lane you travel > in. > > You selected : B Correct answer : A > > > WTF--Huh??? I thought we wanted to stay OUT of the > center of the lane when possible and we DIDN'T want to [snip] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 27 02:00:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3R60Ybm021651; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 02:00:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3R60Y51021641; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 02:00:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 02:00:19 -0400 From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX To: MLynch@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Done Lurking MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <548F9CA9.5EEF6716.222F748D@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In a message dated 4/26/2003 11:58:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, MLynch@XXXXXX writes: > Like was said already, how about a naked sportier bike first? That, and > low seat height reminds me instantly of the Hawk. You > should at least sit > on one. I had to use the Nighthawk (which is what I think you are referring to) 250 in the MSF class. When on the bike and walking up a slight incline, I needed help because my feet were not touching the ground enough to go up the hill. I'm aware that circumstance does not happen often in real life. My fear is that I have to stop quick and won't have enough balance to keep the weight of the bike up while leaning over slightly to one side. The 750 is higher and is actually heavier than my cruiser (per their website) --- craziness. Thanks for the thoughts! I will keep looking and searching! Keep the recommendations flowing! Thanks, Jenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 27 02:34:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3R6YQbm024365; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 02:34:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3R6YQ1H024357; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 02:34:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E493A6@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'Jennthebiker@XXXXXX '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Done Lurking Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 02:45:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jenn, No, the Nighthawk wasn't what I was referring to. I meant the Hawk. Honda offered it in the US from 88 to 92. It's a 650cc V-twin. A screamer in the twisties. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F -----Original Message----- From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX To: MLynch@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 4/27/03 2:00 AM Subject: Re: Done Lurking In a message dated 4/26/2003 11:58:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, MLynch@XXXXXX writes: > Like was said already, how about a naked sportier bike first? That, and > low seat height reminds me instantly of the Hawk. You > should at least sit > on one. I had to use the Nighthawk (which is what I think you are referring to) 250 in the MSF class. When on the bike and walking up a slight incline, I needed help because my feet were not touching the ground enough to go up the hill. I'm aware that circumstance does not happen often in real life. My fear is that I have to stop quick and won't have enough balance to keep the weight of the bike up while leaning over slightly to one side. The 750 is higher and is actually heavier than my cruiser (per their website) --- craziness. Thanks for the thoughts! I will keep looking and searching! Keep the recommendations flowing! Thanks, Jenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 27 06:33:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3RAX0bm008123; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 06:33:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3RAWxht008113; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 06:32:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002a01c30ca8$5bfcf790$6400a8c0@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: , "Sean Jordan" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030426171010.00b87400@mail.mac.com> Subject: Re: Done Lurking Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 06:32:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c260979945bb5b33c96d68be6083ebe6556d0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > Also, get some boots with thick soles, or > have your current boots changed to give you some more height. Don't forget the requisite black & white makeup. ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 27 07:25:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3RBPtbm010921; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 07:25:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3RBPtFM010913; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 07:25:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00e701c30caf$ca8638f0$0a0110ac@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Peter Hartzler" , "patti rodgers" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: DC MC license written test might have wrong answers Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 07:26:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Yup, that's pretty much the drill. Forget what's "right" or "wrong," or what your street experience tells you. Just regurgitate the answer found in the study guide provided by the DMV. When I took the DC written exam a while back, there was another question in there that made no sense, but I can't recall what it was. The study guide is on-line now? Used to be xeroxed and an umpteenth-generation copy that was barely legible. Packed with all sorts of valuable factoids, like the speed limit in a DC alley. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Hartzler" > Patti -- > > When I took the MSF course the instructors specifically discussed that > question. They said that regardless of what they'd taught, the VA exam > was expecting the center-of-the-lane choice. > > *shrug* > > -ph > > On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, patti rodgers wrote: > > > ... > > 20. When following a vehicle with four or more wheels, > > in what part of the lane should the operator of a > > motorcycle travel? > > A. In the center and directly behind the vehicle > > ahead. > > B. Maintain your lane and stay slightly to the right > > or left of the vehicle ahead. > > C. It doesn't matter which part of the lane you travel > > in. > > > > You selected : B Correct answer : A > > > > > > WTF--Huh??? I thought we wanted to stay OUT of the > > center of the lane when possible and we DIDN'T want to > [snip] > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 27 07:44:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3RBi2bm013567; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 07:44:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3RBhvBr013550; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 07:43:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EABC23E.739E7454@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 07:42:54 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Lynch CC: "'dc-cycles '" Subject: Re: DC MC license written test might have wrong answers References: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76E493A3@SERVER2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Lynch wrote: > The VA DMV is flat wrong on some of their questions too. One that burned > me was something like: > > If you're travelling along a line of parked cars, you need to watch out for: > > A) People walking out > B) Cars pulling out > C) Opening car doors > > I can tell you from enough experience riding next to parked cars (11 yrs) > that people and cars are not your problem. You can see them. Door openers > are your problem. Don't tell DMV that though. They're in lala land. That question sounds like an "all of the above" answer", and in defense I'd be hanging on the left-of-center lane position. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 27 08:54:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3RCsUbm016426; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 08:54:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3RCsTHP016416; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 08:54:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EABD2CB.6F470EDE@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 08:53:31 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Hartzler CC: patti rodgers , DC Cycles Subject: Re: DC MC license written test might have wrong answers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Hartzler wrote: > Patti -- > > When I took the MSF course the instructors specifically discussed that > question. They said that regardless of what they'd taught, the VA exam > was expecting the center-of-the-lane choice. > > *shrug* > Yep, I urge students to read the VA book before taking the DMV exam. The right answer is the one the DMV wants, but maybe not the *right* answer for all situations. ---> SEE Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Apr 27 09:05:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3RD5gbm019059; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 09:05:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3RD5f0L019048; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 09:05:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3EABD56C.5339D3CB@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 09:04:44 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Done Lurking References: <3D4A47CD.39E62A33.222F748D@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recall the Yaller (not your color?) Suzuki 500 Laura rode. It appeared to be kind to the inseam challanged, and with a few lo-rider mods that others mentioned, I'm sure it would *fit* just dandy. Of course it's only a 500cc. Now torque and horsepower curves and gearing as well influence acceleration , but the bottom line is pounds per HP. Small light bike, wisp of a girl = dazzling acceleration. Bill Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Greetings and Salutations to my DC-Cycle listers! > > I survived winter and just turned over 7100 miles yesterday on my cute purple cruiser! I am however looking for one of those 'crotch rocketeers' (quoting Bill). I've found that many dealers are willing to install a dogbone sort of thing to lower the bike. I've found less dealers who sell longer legs! I can actually fit on the Ninja 500 but I'm not sure that's the bike that I want. I've sat on the SV650S and like it; however, it will need lowered by about 3 inches for me to feel comfy. > > Vinny -- good to see another northern MDer on the list. I live in Owings Mills and keep my bike in Westminster -- we're practically neighbors! I'm always interested in local rides. I usually keep my spe