From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 01:06:04 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: vfr swing arm? Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 01:14:14 -0500 |>> WHY NOT ??? |> |>Well lets see..... It will not work? |> |>The odds of this working at all are slim. The odds of it working well, or |>safely, far less. |> |>There must be a reason to do something, and for this much work and cost it |>better be a damn good one. |>John. |>PenguinBiker@XXXXXX If memory serves me correctly, putting the vfr swing arm on the RR has been done before and works. I don't see why the single sided swing arm would be too much different as far as mounting concerns. And I have to admit, a chromed Single sided swing arm and wheels would make a RR look a lot prettier than the standard chromed setup. plus the bannana seat on the vfr is ugly to anyone who didn't grow up watching the brady bunch! From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 01:06:22 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: vfr swing arm? Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 01:14:32 -0500 Thanks! Danny |>VFR Archives |> |>http://search.cs.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/htsearch |> |>http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~lists/archive/vfr/200105/msg01724.html |> |> |>___________________________________________ |> |> Mike Troutman |> http://www.troutman.org |> From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 01:15:03 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: stephen cutchins Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: City Riding Strategies Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 01:23:13 -0500 You neglected one safety aspect of filtering. If you filter to the front, then once traffic is moving again, you have less cars in front of you to jam on brakes, or be in their blind spot and hit a wrong turn from the wrong lane in front of you. If the city street is kind of empty, you can also put distance on them. That's always good. |>If it is safety you are worried about then don't |>filter. For filtering to be done for the sake of |>safety, you would have to be the last vehicle in line From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 01:20:55 2002 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 22:20:53 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: bloody salesmen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was in Clinton Cycles to pick up a couple dollars worth of parts on Sat and was standing around the used/new end of the store when a lady of mid-30's came in. The sales droid trotted up and asked, "so how can I help you?" "I'm interested in getting a bike." "As you see we have a number, the selection would depend on a couple of factors. Would this be your first one?" "yes" "Then I guess something no bigger than the 600cc class." I watch him from several paces away curious as to where this was headed... "Here we have a 2001 CBR 600F4i, a nice bike, a good starter." I about go bonkers. I saunter over and pipe in. "Have you attended a MSF class?" "No, I've heard of it but the lines are really long they say." (me) "I can't speak to PG county but the classes in Fredericksburg and other places are not so busy. You should take the class before you even look seriously at buying anything." (her) "Ok, sounds good. Do you have more information?" I point to the salesdroid who affirms he has PG county sign-up info. Turning around I point at the next bike in the row. "Now here is a Kawi EX500, and a couple on down is a Suzuki GS500e. They are far better bikes on which to learn and are very popular with women and my students for their riding characteristics and low seat height. I would put them at the top of your list." The salesdroid is nearby wringing his hands. WTF is wrong with these people? A CBR?!?!? Why aren't they responsible enough to own up to their position of "authority" and recommend something 1/2 way sane? It's not like he didn't have suitable machines (used no less) sitting right there on the floor collecting dust... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 01:35:39 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Peter Hartzler Cc: "Steven C. Di Pietro" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: highway curtesy - was City Riding Strategies Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 01:43:22 -0500 Speaking of driver attitudes and keeping left... I dont know but recently, a lot of cars have been yeilding from the fast lane for me. I don't know if it's because they recognize motorcycles are coming up and they want ot be curteous, or they want to check out the bikes as they pass, or if it's because of my red/yellow/blue triangular headlight prism putting certain reflective colors in my left headlight and they think i'm a cop. Anyway what the hell.. I enjoy it. When I pass I usually raise my non throttle hand and give them a curteous "thank you" wave. Speaking of prisms, I put a round green/yellow/bluish prism in my friends zx7 and that that bulb now appears bright and good, while the other bulb seems dim. Is it possible the prism changes the light wave to make it "brighter".. or maybe the alignment of his other bulb is off? Danny 00 zx6r From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 01:46:12 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: "Steven C. Di Pietro" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: City Riding Strategies Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 01:54:22 -0500 |>I envision a day devoted to massive civil disobedience. Get a bunch of |>bikes together and aggressively obey the letter of the law, slowing down the |>traffic by refusing to turn right on red (it is discretionary, statute says We did that last year on 495. I think it was every sunday for 4 weeks in a row. It didn't help any. A couple of times in DC cars would pass me (on say NY ave), by taking up half my lane. A$$holes. I'd be maybe near the center and along comes a car in my lane close enough I could kick or spit on, or fall into if i had to weave around a pot hole or something. Should I just shrug it off? or start to strategize? Or maybe I should just catch them at the light, and start off by saying "cool car! is this a 2002 model?" (to get on their good side and show them i'm not bitching) and then be like "yea you scared the shit outta me when you passed me, good think i didn't have to weave around a pot hole" and maybe they'd get the point? It's usually some dumb ass in a shiny type of car who thinks he's cool.. |>red. See below. Now, be honest, show of hands, how many people *really* do |>that? Shortening the yellow increased the take from the red light cameras. I hope they lengthened the time of red lights, and the time from red to green switch then. I'd hate to see people hurt because the gov't got greedy. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 01:53:09 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: 2 biggest threats Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 02:01:20 -0500 1. people who switch lanes without checking their blind spots. 2. people who dont' respect space cushions - all directions I was riding on either 495 or route 50 and on this 3 lane highway what was ahead of me? 3 morons riding side by side in a relatively open traffic area? What if the car in teh slow lane had something come out onto the highway and had to weave to his left? a left sweep domino effect of 3 morons. If you're not passing, don't drive next to any other vehicle. I swear. Morons. Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 02:14:06 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Re: City Riding Strategies Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 02:22:17 -0500 "AA Dc cycles" Todd? ROTFL. The only time i've seen lane spltting actually slow cars down, is when there are so many bikes they sometimes stop in between the cars, and when the light turns, the cars wait for them all to clear. But even still that is a rarity, and also the bikes up front should move extra forward to allow their brotheren to get up front and clear the cars. Bikes are only usually a few cars away from the front anyway, the ones behind them aren't losing any time and actually get a car legths distance forward. Saves gas to creep up (in idle setting) to one car length than it does to accellerate through it. I find myself filtering in the MD subburbs more (and selectively) now. It saves me a little time, affords me some safety by being able to leave the group of blind lane changing cars, and it starts getting them used to it happening more often. If they dont' like it, fuck em,that's their personal problem to deal with. Just cuz i do something on my own doesn't mean it actually affects them merely because they can't. Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 02:22:03 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: Subject: Re: re City Riding Strategies Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 02:30:13 -0500 |>braking room or possible escape routes. Cover your controls and if it's |>comfortable to you, two fingers on the brake lever and two on the throttle |>on your right hand to cut reaction time. I see the potential for a braking thread here. I heavily recommend that you do NOT cover the front brake while holding the throttle One time I did that and nearly wrecked. a needed quick stop popped up, and the problem was I hit the front brake but didnt' let go of the throttle. Front brake stoppage + rear acclleration = BAD NEWS. Good thing I let go of the front brake in time. I actually cover my BACK BRAKE when filtering. because i'm going so slow 1> it's effective enough 2> if you hit an oil or antifreeze spot your front wheel won't slip from under you because of that front brake usage. You shouldn't be going too fast when filtering anyway. Oh yea and I tuck my mirror in when filtering. It really pisses people off when your mirror slap their mirrors. heh heh. Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 02:32:18 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "LAURA GRANATO" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: selling a bike with a lien Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 02:40:29 -0500 |>How does that work? If I want to sell my bike, but I |>need to pay it off first, how does that work???? Contact the lien holder and ask them. I'm sure they must engage in the same scenario often enough. If for some reason they were jerks, one could suggest a legal binding contract. You provide the buyer with a bill of sale, along with a written contract promise to provide the title as soon as it becomes available from the finance company,, and give them possession of the bike, in exchange for full payment, If they want to do that. The only problem though is, find out how long it will take to get your title from the finance company. If your price is cheap enough, or the buyer has the bike fever enough for your bike, they will accept those terms. Other than that, get a loan, pay off the bike, sell the bike, repay the loan. Good luck. Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 02:43:15 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "LindaT." Cc: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Re: jeep Question Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 02:51:26 -0500 |>I had a flat tire this morning on my Wrangler (which is for sale, BTW). It |>looks like a wood splinter punctured the tread in the sidewall. Can this be |>fixed? I don't think so, so my answer isnt' helpful. There are some patches that go inside Maybe that will work. I just thought it was odd though, I had a dream the other day that I owned a red jeep. I never owned one, or wanted to own one. so i thought it was a funny coinkydink. Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 02:47:59 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "LAURA GRANATO" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: interesting question Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 02:56:11 -0500 I'd sell them the bike. The problem with our goven't now is that other people want to protect them some people from themselves when they dont' need protecting. They've got their own wisdom, and their own parents. People are responsible for their own kids and themelves, and no one esle. You not selling them a bike isn't going to stop them from doing what they want to do. Sell them the bike if you need it sold. Keep the bike if you want to keep it. But dont' keep yourself from selling the bike merely because she doesn't know how to ride yet. People are capable of learning like that. The MSF course hasn't been around forever. I learned before the course, but did take teh course when i could. Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 03:01:26 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: interesting question Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 03:09:34 -0500 |> NO. You communist! :) |> |> You would be enabling someone to harm themselves & others |>around them needlessly. No license, no ride, no sale. Actually no you aren't. Anyone with hands or feet is already capable of doing that. A man wiht no arms can kick a bus driver in the head. So you're not enabling them. " No liscense, no test ride", but sale is ok. This is america. She can buy it as a lawn ornament. It's her right to do so. There is nothing illegal nor immoral about owning anything you cannot operate (yet). Better yet dont' give them a test ride. Even liscensed riders fall. Especially newly liscensed riders. If they fall on your insurance you get screwed. If they want the bike, let them buy it, with 2 copies of bill of sale, then take it for a test ride. Come back, and sign the title over to them. If they dont' want to buy it, refund the money if it's returned in the same condition. That way if someone gets hurt, legally they were the new owners and their insurance covers it. You get documents to support that. Most insruance policies provide coverage for newly purchased vehicles if they already have an insured vehicle. It's pretty darn negative and insulting to assume this lady is going to be a law breaker. Whatever happened to innocent until proving guilty and treating people fairly. She has every right to buy the bike. |> No certified |>check & proof of insurance for said vehicle, no test drive. Screw the insurance. It's not your job to certify any other citizen is going to register their vehicle. They may not buy it for road use. Certified payment and give over posession of the bike. It's their right. Once you sell the bike, it's their obligation to be law abiding. And it's not your civic duty to play nosey police officer. |>It's a short easy class, and anything worth doing, is worth doing |>right. I'll agree with that. Tell them to call MSF back 30 days after their registration period, because a seat will open when someone else is dropped for non payment. |>Dave the communist! From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 03:07:18 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: interesting question Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 03:15:30 -0500 Sell the bike with cash. liscense or no liscense. They might have a pick up truck or trailer to get the bike home. They might go and get plates (no liscense required) and have a liscensed driver ride it home. Why assume they are going to do anything illegal. Just strongly suggest you don't mind selling the bike as long as they are going to take it home in a legal manner. Of course you can suggest they do everything legal and they are financially responsible for thier bike and any damage it could cause. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 03:22:17 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Dan Matz" Cc: , "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: interesting question Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 03:30:28 -0500 |>This guy must be tired of his girlfriend. I wouldn't have even considered |>getting on a streetbike before MSF... he's wacked.. LOL ask her if her gentleman friend recently put a life insurance policy on her ROTFL. |>In response to the question, hell no would I sell a bike to somebody who |>couldn't ride.. but then I get skittish and overprotective when people look |>at my bikes crosseyed... :) (i'm sorry, they're my children, i care) |> |>Ben I look at my bikes as financial investments.. I will find a ride home if you want ot buy it right now and give me enough profit. It's just a replace-able performance machine. It makes it a lot easier to stomach on those misfortunate times when it goes down. Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 03:43:15 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Ricardo Pontes" Cc: "Dccycles" Subject: Re: flat tire Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 03:51:27 -0500 On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 20:30:01 -0500, you wrote: |>BTW, does 50$ per tire change sound reasonable to anyone? Are there any |>shops who do it cheaper. I got mine changed at heysers. |> You should get a prize for being heysers 100,000th victim! I think cycle accessories in gaithersburg is known for giving good prices, and GRD in southern maryland. I do my own tire changes. I have used leon's secret of a bumper jack on my last tire change. I also think maybe the dirt shop aka cylce accesssories in college park might do it too. Since it was my first time using that method it was a real PIA and I scratched my rim, but it' ok, it was a learning experience and I'll just polish the lips anyway. So now my two questions now are: 1. has anyone perfected the bumper jack method and can list the exact steps. 2. Has anyone perfected it so that I don't scratch wheels up? Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 03:49:15 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: SBave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: flat tire Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 03:57:27 -0500 I plug it and go. I've been through curves on a flat rear tire on ocassions and it can be wobbly but nothing that makes me think i'd wreck. Just ride to the gas station and plug it. And be back on my merry way. Some times even a plug would come out, but it's the same thng. no big deal. replug it and use glue this time. Can I have your good tread one hole puncture tires? btw I think most of the times you see the videos of guys doing burn outs, they are using puncture fixed tires. Danny |> My non-expert opinion is you only have 2 tires so why risk it? I know there |>are plenty of people who have successfully plugged a tire but for a little |>more that $100 you can have a new one. And that's much cheaper than plastic |>and hospital bills. And lately I would know how expensive that is... :) |> |>Steve Broadstreet |>ZX-9 From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 06:05:43 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dirt bike helmet vs street helmet Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 06:13:56 -0500 Can someone tell me the difference between the two helmets? on the dc city streets you'll see both dual sport riders and sportbike riders (as well as the rest). So I was just wondering.. both should protect your head against a PLONK right? what's the deal? From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 07:45:13 2002 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 07:43:22 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt bike helmet vs street helmet I recall full face dirt bike helmets with cutouts (reliefs) below the ears. This was supposed to prevent a broken clavacle if one's head got wonked to the side. The lower part of the helmet would impact the shoulder and el cracko. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Can someone tell me the difference between the two helmets? > > on the dc city streets you'll see both dual sport riders and > sportbike riders (as well as the rest). > > So I was just wondering.. both should protect your head against a > PLONK right? what's the deal? From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 07:53:47 2002 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 07:51:58 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bloody salesmen Consider yourself fortunate that the saleman didn't sic a pit bull on you or blast your interloping butt with pepper spray. Salesmen/women aren't social service workers. Their goal is to get the money. And on the flip side, having been on the sales end, far more people won't listen to reason anyway. They *want* a particular ride, and no amount of cajoling will change their mind. Example: One of the patent examiners caught up to me on Friday. HEY, I got a bike! Cool, sez me, what kind? A Habasuyu! *EEK* But I've ridden before, he sez - yeah, more'n a dacade before and his previous big bore was 400. And the salemen did try to talk him down in size, but given the choice of selling the bike or seeing the money walk, the bike got sold. Bill matthew patton wrote: > I was in Clinton Cycles to pick up a couple dollars worth of parts on > Sat and was standing around the used/new end of the store when a lady > of mid-30's came in. The sales droid trotted up and asked, > "so how can I help you?" > "I'm interested in getting a bike." > "As you see we have a number, the selection would depend on a couple of > factors. Would this be your first one?" > "yes" > "Then I guess something no bigger than the 600cc class." > I watch him from several paces away curious as to where this was > headed... > "Here we have a 2001 CBR 600F4i, a nice bike, a good starter." > I about go bonkers. I saunter over and pipe in. > "Have you attended a MSF class?" > "No, I've heard of it but the lines are really long they say." > (me) "I can't speak to PG county but the classes in Fredericksburg and > other places are not so busy. You should take the class before you even > look seriously at buying anything." > (her) "Ok, sounds good. Do you have more information?" > I point to the salesdroid who affirms he has PG county sign-up info. > Turning around I point at the next bike in the row. > "Now here is a Kawi EX500, and a couple on down is a Suzuki GS500e. > They are far better bikes on which to learn and are very popular with > women and my students for their riding characteristics and low seat > height. I would put them at the top of your list." > > The salesdroid is nearby wringing his hands. WTF is wrong with these > people? A CBR?!?!? Why aren't they responsible enough to own up to > their position of "authority" and recommend something 1/2 way sane? > It's not like he didn't have suitable machines (used no less) sitting > right there on the floor collecting dust... > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 08:44:36 2002 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: RE: bloody salesmen Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:41:57 -0500 Im in a forum group called www.r1-forum.com and there is this guy there who just bought a brand new 2002 r1, as his first bike. The salespeople recommended he get that one! :) His first post to the group was "I just crashed my R1". He had it about 1 week before he decided to do a "monster wheelie". Apparently he wrecked the bike. But the thing is, that it was recommended by the salespeople because he had a bit of dirt bike experience. Did they recommend the ex500 and gs500e? Or did you recommend those? If they did recommend those bikes as beginner bikes, i can agree with that. I think they were meant for people just starting out, right? They are real nice bikes. Ricardo www.pileofgarbage.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 08:48:26 2002 From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:47:37 -0500 I just love riding on paint... especially greasy, wet paint. The greasier the paint is the easier you slide when you loose traction. Less friction, less wear and tear on self and parts. :0 >I seem to recall that in downtown Tokyo there is a painted area at >intersections just for motorcycles to filter in to. Whatever you may think >about the Japanese, this to me seems like an excellent idea. Cars know that >bikes WILL filter and are prepared for it. Bikes will filter much more >safely than if they were breaking the rules. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 08:55:26 2002 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:55:19 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE: bloody salesmen Rico relayed - Im in a forum group called www.r1-forum.com and there is this guy there who just bought a brand new 2002 r1, as his first bike. The salespeople recommended he get that one! :) His first post to the group was "I just crashed my R1". He had it about 1 week before he decided to do a "monster wheelie". On one hand, I say, 'more power to 'im' It's his money, it's his driving record, insurance rates, life etc... OTOH, I think it's a bit irresponsible to reccomend someone buy a liter bike without some kind of street bike experience... That's a bit of a sticky wicket though... One can successfully argue that the Ford Explosion & Chebby Suburbanite are far more lethal, and dangerous to the public in general ... Ah well... What are we going to do ? Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 09:26:57 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "matthew patton" , Subject: Re: bloody salesmen Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:27:57 -0500 If she lives in Maryland, taking MSF in Virginia isn't going to help her endorsement-wise and vice versa. I always make a point of stating that out to out-of-state people so they don't have any rude awakenings when they go to their home state DMV expecting to bypass the riding test. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "matthew patton" > "Here we have a 2001 CBR 600F4i, a nice bike, a good starter." > I about go bonkers. I saunter over and pipe in. > "Have you attended a MSF class?" > "No, I've heard of it but the lines are really long they say." > (me) "I can't speak to PG county but the classes in Fredericksburg and > other places are not so busy. You should take the class before you even > look seriously at buying anything." > (her) "Ok, sounds good. Do you have more information?" > I point to the salesdroid who affirms he has PG county sign-up info. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 09:30:08 2002 Subject: RE: bloody salesmen From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:30:01 -0500 To: "pattonme@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" One word: COMMISSION. He sells a more expensive bike and he makes more money. That's his incentive, plain and simple. Like a lot of salesman, all he really cares about is the sale and how much money he's going to make. Probably doesn't have a clue about trying to make the customer a long-term, life-long customer. And he's certainly not responsible for responsibility. Caveat emptor. Original Message: The salesdroid is nearby wringing his hands. WTF is wrong with these people? A CBR?!?!? Why aren't they responsible enough to own up to their position of "authority" and recommend something 1/2 way sane? It's not like he didn't have suitable machines (used no less) sitting right there on the floor collecting dust... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 09:33:20 2002 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:33:19 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Allstate Loses - Motorcyclists Win Allstate Loses - Motorcyclists Win An attempt by Allstate to eliminate motorcyclists from medical payment coverage went down in defeat in the case of a young passenger on a bike. http://www.virginiawind.com/news/02mar17.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 09:54:57 2002 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bloody salesmen Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 09:43:14 -0500 I knew that this was the case for the MSF class, but what about if someone is already Motorcycle Endorsed on their license in VA and then moves to MD? Does that endorsement transfer? (asking for a friend) Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "matthew patton" , Subject: Re: bloody salesmen Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:27:57 -0500 If she lives in Maryland, taking MSF in Virginia isn't going to help her endorsement-wise and vice versa. I always make a point of stating that out to out-of-state people so they don't have any rude awakenings when they go to their home state DMV expecting to bypass the riding test. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 09:57:17 2002 From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'lgranato@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Did you sell your Bike? Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:56:25 -0500 Do you solemnly swear (or affirm) that the below statement is indeed fact. Ever, Never Ever? Never Ever Ever?? Never Ever Ever Ever??? As far as the loss of your first M/C... and all the tender loving care you poured into it. I had that same feeling once, many moons ago. I prepped up a GS750... all the old crappy OEM stuff was gone and replaced with high grade component. Well for some reason or another I decided to sell and I did.... the goof (licensed I might add) I sold it to, hit some sand on a left turn (early spring jaunt) pulled a slider, broke his wrist and ankle and had the bike towed to a lot which I passed every day on the way to work! Now I just hang on to them hence the 78 R80/7 >That's the problem, boy!!!! I'm not getting another >one...I will no longer own a street bike, and I am not >buying another one... From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 10:02:46 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: "Rob Keiser" , Subject: RE: bloody salesmen Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:02:21 -0500 My motorcycle endorsement has traveled with me from state to state since 1984. --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 9:43 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: bloody salesmen > > > I knew that this was the case for the MSF class, but what about > if someone > is already Motorcycle Endorsed on their license in VA and then > moves to MD? > Does that endorsement transfer? (asking for a friend) > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "matthew patton" , > Subject: Re: bloody salesmen > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:27:57 -0500 > > If she lives in Maryland, taking MSF in Virginia isn't going to help her > endorsement-wise and vice versa. I always make a point of > stating that out > to out-of-state people so they don't have any rude awakenings when they go > to their home state DMV expecting to bypass the riding test. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 10:03:55 2002 To: GBruhl@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Did you sell your Bike? Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 07:03:46 -0800 (PST) "Bruhl, George LT" wrote I sold it...the first guy that came to look at her was standing in a pile of his own drool...we'll see if it actually works out...he didn't tell his wife he was buying the bike, but I haven't heard back from him, so it must be ok. He seemed like a decent guy, so hopefully he'll take good care of her and have fun with her. He's picking her up next week, so I have another week before I have to say goodbye. Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 10:09:33 2002 From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'Rob Keiser'" , "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: bloody salesmen Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:08:36 -0500 >what about if someone >is already Motorcycle Endorsed on their license in VA and then moves to MD? >Does that endorsement transfer? Rob, As long as the person already has the "M" on their license it will transfer. Not sure about nationally but around here you should get exactly what you had in the other state, as long as nothing is suspended, expired or revoked. As with any other MVA transaction be sure to triple-check everything before leaving the counter. DC forgot to transfer my motorcycle endorsement when I turned my MD license in for a DC one (on the next visit DC turned me into a man, they are truly on the ball there!), and a friend had his ommitted when moving from MD to VA. If this is the case and you have not left the premises yet you just go back and ask them to fix it. If you have left, you're possibly in trouble! cheers, patti From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 10:17:56 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Rob Keiser" , Subject: Re: bloody salesmen Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:18:57 -0500 Endorsements should transfer between VA and MD without a problem. Just make sure the DMV clerk recognizes you have the endorsement and it shows up on your new license. Some states may have reciprocity issues. The MSF website has a chart showing reciprocity state by state. www.msf-usa.org Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Keiser" To: Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: Re: bloody salesmen > I knew that this was the case for the MSF class, but what about if someone > is already Motorcycle Endorsed on their license in VA and then moves to MD? > Does that endorsement transfer? (asking for a friend) > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "matthew patton" , > Subject: Re: bloody salesmen > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:27:57 -0500 > > If she lives in Maryland, taking MSF in Virginia isn't going to help her > endorsement-wise and vice versa. I always make a point of stating that out > to out-of-state people so they don't have any rude awakenings when they go > to their home state DMV expecting to bypass the riding test. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 10:26:43 2002 Subject: RE: RE: bloody salesmen From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:26:41 -0500 To: "jmstrang@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Putting a little "M" sticker on your license yourself does not count as an endorsement! %^) Original Message: ----------------- From: Jon Strang jmstrang@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:02:21 -0500 To: robkeiser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: bloody salesmen My motorcycle endorsement has traveled with me from state to state since 1984. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 10:39:14 2002 Subject: RE: Allstate Loses - Motorcyclists Win From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:39:13 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" I know Tom McGrath. Good guy. Avid motorcyclist. And definitely a good lawyer to have if you're involved in a m/c accident (in VA anyway, don't know if he handles cases outside of the Commonwealth). Original Message: ----------------- From: Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:33:19 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Allstate Loses - Motorcyclists Win Allstate Loses - Motorcyclists Win An attempt by Allstate to eliminate motorcyclists from medical payment coverage went down in defeat in the case of a young passenger on a bike. http://www.virginiawind.com/news/02mar17.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 10:51:28 2002 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 10:50:41 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: City Riding Strategies To: , Cc: , Well....see now, that was the problem. You did it on a Sunday when there's a lot less traffic. You need to do it on a Monday for 4 weeks in a row and THEN maybe someone will get the point. As to the people "sharing" your lane to pass, it's up to you. Half the time they're too busy yakking on the phone to even realize you are there. A good kick to the door will wake them up. But, it might also cause them to swerve into your lane. I usually lay on the horn, give the universal one fingered salute and then shake my head at the idiots. Scooter In a message dated Mon, 1 Apr 2002 1:46:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > |>I envision a day devoted to massive civil disobedience. Get a bunch of > |>bikes together and aggressively obey the letter of the law, slowing down the > |>traffic by refusing to turn right on red (it is discretionary, statute says > > We did that last year on 495. I think it was every sunday for 4 weeks > in a row. It didn't help any. > > A couple of times in DC cars would pass me (on say NY ave), by taking > up half my lane. A$$holes. I'd be maybe near the center and along > comes a car in my lane close enough I could kick or spit on, or fall > into if i had to weave around a pot hole or something. > > Should I just shrug it off? or start to strategize? Or maybe I should > just catch them at the light, and start off by saying "cool car! is > this a 2002 model?" (to get on their good side and show them i'm not > bitching) and then be like "yea you scared the shit outta me when you > passed me, good think i didn't have to weave around a pot hole" and > maybe they'd get the point? It's usually some dumb ass in a shiny > type of car who thinks he's cool.. > > > > |>red. See below. Now, be honest, show of hands, how many people *really* do > |>that? Shortening the yellow increased the take from the red light cameras. > > I hope they lengthened the time of red lights, and the time from red > to green switch then. I'd hate to see people hurt because the gov't > got greedy. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 11:25:44 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:25:14 EST Subject: Re: vfr swing arm? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/1/2002 1:05:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > If memory serves me correctly, putting the vfr swing arm on the RR has > been done before and works. If so NEAT! > I don't see why the single sided swing > arm would be too much different as far as mounting concerns. It often seems that NO parts from one year will fit the same model the next year, so the idea of major parts from one model fitting another is stunning. A swing arm is a complex piece of engineering and to go from double to single sided with length, sprockets lining up, bolt and bearing sizes etc. being the same would be amazing to me. (but of course pistons from the first TM125 Suzuki would fit the first CR125 Honda with a little grinding on the skirt. So stranger things have happened.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 11:32:35 2002 From: "Sanath S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ducati 996 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 11:21:19 -0500 Hi all, I have been away from the list for about two years now. Decided to come back as I am about plunk down some cash to buy a brand new 2001 Ducati 996. Anyone think this is a particularly bad idea? I really wanted to get a used 996 but there just donM-^Rt seem to be many good deals on one. The 2001s come with two years of free service, which I am told is a pretty good deal. I am making my trip to the dealer tomorrow. Would like to hear from any current 996 or Ducati owners also. Oh I used to own a Yamaha YZF 600. Thanks Sanath _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 11:35:33 2002 From: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 11:35:12 -0500 Subject: Chain tightening To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1D99B.31E16D60 Ever since I got new tires (about a month ago) I have had no real success getting my chain tightened to my satisfaction. I have tried on 3 occasions, and either it's not right to begin with, or it develops a lot of slack quickly. Any advice would be great. 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Huson" , "matthew patton" Cc: Subject: Re: bloody salesmen Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:29:37 -0500 A CBR 600? Heck, they had a CBR1100XX on the floor the last time I was there. It could've been worse. Better yet sell them a new Triumph and collect the parts mark-up on the (almost inevitable) busted plastic. I can see both sides of the coin though. On the one hand dealerships are like restaurants. They are in business to satisfy the customer's immediate needs, with food that tastes good, or the impulse buy of a motorcycle that is all too common. They are not concerned with the potential heart attack you're going to have down the road from a steady diet of their food. Nor are they in the business of hectoring the customer about what's "good for them." Caveat emptor. On the other hand, a more sophisticated approach is what we have experienced from a software vendor. I called about a CAD package and the salesman actually steered me to a lower cost product, saying it was better for our needs since we'd never use all the bells and whistles of more expensive products due to the nature of our business. Based on what I had read, I was ready to pull the switch on more expensive software. While he may have earned less commission (it's hard to tell actually) he built a better relationship with the customer because he instilled trust and actually took the time to understand our needs. I'm more likely to buy something from him again. Being counseled to a higher-priced product that really didn't fit our needs may very well have soured our relationship. In the motorcycle and auto sales business, though, there is rarely this sort of long term commitment to the customer. Maybe at some BMW places where the marque's premium image is involved and there is a lot of repeat business and high-priced OEM-label accessory sales. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" > Consider yourself fortunate that the saleman didn't sic a pit bull on you > or blast your interloping butt with pepper spray. > > Bill > > matthew patton wrote: > > > "Then I guess something no bigger than the 600cc class." > > I watch him from several paces away curious as to where this was > > headed... > > "Here we have a 2001 CBR 600F4i, a nice bike, a good starter." > > I about go bonkers. I saunter over and pipe in. .. > > The salesdroid is nearby wringing his hands. WTF is wrong with these > > people? A CBR?!?!? Why aren't they responsible enough to own up to > > their position of "authority" and recommend something 1/2 way sane? > From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 11:38:12 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:37:33 EST Subject: Re: dirt bike helmet vs street helmet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/1/2002 6:06:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > So I was just wondering.. both should protect your head against a > PLONK right? what's the deal? LEGALITY The dirt bike helmet will (likely) not have the required DOT sticker, and will not have been tested for street use. Dirt bike helmets will not have a flip shield, but will have a large opening for goggles. The chin bar (full face) will be vented (much weaker) and farther from your face to provide air to a rider that is working harder and going slower (I once ran an enduro with a full face street style helmet and though I was going to suffocate weaving in and out of trees.) There are no doubt other differences. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 11:49:09 2002 X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 7 From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt bike helmet vs street helmet Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:48:29 -0500 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 4/1/2002 6:06:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, > daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > > > So I was just wondering.. both should protect your head against a > > PLONK right? what's the deal? > > LEGALITY > The dirt bike helmet will (likely) not have the required DOT sticker, and > will not have been tested for street use. What? My dirt helmet is DOT (and Snell, actually) tested with stickers and all that. I haven't seen a dirt helmet without a DOT sticker and I buy towards the cheaper end of the helmet aisle... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 11:56:15 2002 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:56:08 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: re: Ducati 996 I have been away from the list for about two years now. Decided to come back as I am about plunk down some cash to buy a brand new 2001 Ducati 996. Welcome back ! Anyone think this is a particularly bad idea? Gimer, over to you.... I really wanted to get a used 996 but there just donM-^Rt seem to be many good deals on one. The 2001s come with two years of free service, which I am told is a pretty good deal. Curiously, who told you that it was a 'pretty good deal' ? Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 11:57:19 2002 Subject: RE: Chain tightening From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:57:17 -0500 To: "michael.brocchi@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Mike, "Right to begin with" should be ~1.5" of slack (your owner's manual should have an exact spec). A relatively easy adjustment with a center or swingarm stand (even for mechanical newbies). And it's usually better to err on the side of having a little too much slack rather than not enough. If it's developing slack after riding, then either the rear wheel isn't bolted in right (i.e., the right torque on the nuts) and it's somehow slipping and/or the adjusters that set the wheel in the swingarm aren't set to keep it in place (i.e, you moved the wheel but not the adjusters). That's all I can think of. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 11:35:12 -0500 To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Chain tightening Ever since I got new tires (about a month ago) I have had no real success getting my chain tightened to my satisfaction. I have tried on 3 occasions, and either it's not right to begin with, or it develops a lot of slack quickly. Any advice would be great. TIA, Mike fyi - 2000 suzuki bandit 600 is the bike -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 12:03:52 2002 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:03:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Ducati 996 From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Curiously, who told you that it was a 'pretty good deal' ? > > > Dave Dave must not have priced Ducati service lately..... Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 12:05:16 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" , Subject: RE: Chain tightening Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:04:50 -0500 There is a significant chance you are over-tightening the chain. Since your 600 doesn't have the awe-inspiring, mind-boggling, pavement rippling, ass-puckering torque of my mighty, mighty 1200...I don't think you're stretching the chain "normally." It is pretty easy to have a too tight chain that getting tighter as the suspension goes through it's travel, putting excessive stress on wheel and countershaft bearings. On my Bandit, which should be nearly the same as your 600, if I adjust the chain 'properly', it tightens up after I tighten up the axle. I don't know why, it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, but it is very consistent. So, I adjust the chain with the adjusters, but leave it a couple of "flats" slack(I count flats on each adjuster nut...you know, how many flat surfaces I turn by--6 is one complete revolution). When I tighten the axle nut, it ends up just right. Also, if you look at the manual, it says something like, " 1" to 1 1/4" of slack." If you are pushing the chain hard at all to get check that spec, you're probably too tight. And remember, for m/c chains, too loose is better than too tight. --jon 01 Suz Bandit 1200 > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX [mailto:Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 11:35 AM > To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX > Subject: Chain tightening > > > Ever since I got new tires (about a month ago) I have had no real success > getting my chain tightened to my satisfaction. I have tried on 3 > occasions, > and either it's not right to begin with, or it develops a lot of slack > quickly. > Any advice would be great. > TIA, > Mike > > fyi - 2000 suzuki bandit 600 is the bike > ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 12:06:03 2002 From: biga@XXXXXX (Andrew Culpepper) Subject: Re: Chain tightening To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 12:06:01 -0500 Also, a chain can develop really loose spots and in extreme cases can be too tight in spots and too loose in others. You have to check the tension at several different points on the chain. Andrew From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 12:08:06 2002 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:08:01 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Ducati 996 To: Sanath S , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Sanath S wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been away from the list for about two years now. > Decided to come back > as I am about plunk down some cash to buy a brand new > 2001 Ducati 996. > Anyone think this is a particularly bad idea? you'll love the bike if you don't mind the riding position i have a 2000 biposto and would be happy to chat with you about it.... only difference between the two models (i believe) is that you'd have the ohlins rear... > I really > wanted to get a used > 996 but there just donM-^Rt seem to be many good deals on > one. The 2001s come > with two years of free service, which I am told is a > pretty good deal. I am > making my trip to the dealer tomorrow. you'll likely be very happy you have a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty. trust me. my warranty work easily adds up to $3k+. i don't know about "free service".... verify that they are providing you no-cost scheduled maintenance for the first two years.... > Would like to hear from any current 996 or Ducati owners > also. Oh I used to > own a Yamaha YZF 600. be prepared for pain in new places.... yzf is a couch compared to the 996.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 12:12:21 2002 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:12:20 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: re City Riding Strategies To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I see the potential for a braking thread here. I heavily recommend > that you do NOT cover the front brake while holding the throttle One > time I did that and nearly wrecked. a needed quick stop popped up, > and > the problem was I hit the front brake but didnt' let go of the > throttle. Front brake stoppage + rear acclleration = BAD NEWS. > Good thing I let go of the front brake in time. The act of pulling on the lever should have rolled off the throttle even if you're covering the lever. Covering the lever means you've got fingers sticking out there ready to pull on the lever, not necessarily hooked over the lever itself. Since the right thing didn't happen I can immediately tell that you're riding with your wrist high. The issue isn't the act of squeezing the brake and keeping the throttle on (the bike will stop and the gine will bog and stall), but since you're wrist was high you were adding throttle while also squeezing the brake, hense the spinning rear. Correct technique is the key. Wrong technique was your problem. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 12:24:24 2002 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 12:24:00 -0500 From: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Chain tightening To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Chuck offered: If it's developing slack after riding, then either the rear wheel isn't bolted in right (i.e., the right torque on the nuts) and it's somehow slipping and/or the adjusters that set the wheel in the swingarm aren't set to keep it in place (i.e, you moved the wheel but not the adjusters). How do I assure myself that I am not doing this? I loosen both the axle bolt and the adjuster bolts, and have been pulling on the tire. Is there a way to make sure that I am actually moving the adjusters and not just the tire? From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 12:28:24 2002 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:28:23 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: re: Ducati 996 To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > I have been away from the list for about two years now. > Decided to > come back as I am about plunk down some cash to buy a > brand new 2001 > Ducati 996. > > > Welcome back ! > > > Anyone think this is a particularly bad idea? > > > Gimer, over to you.... actually, as bad as my experience was, i'd still buy another. very wierd what these beautiful machines do to one's thought processes.... just thought of something: are the rocker arms a problem on the '01 model? if so, he should be very careful to stay on top of that issue.... > I really wanted to get a used 996 but there just donM-^Rt > seem to be > many good deals on one. The 2001s come with two years of > free > service, which I am told is a pretty good deal. > > Curiously, who told you that it was a 'pretty > good deal' ? 2 years of no-cost scheduled maintenance would have been a $1000+ bonus for me. i only secured my first two services without cost. sounds like a good deal if he's gonna be putting a lot of mileage on the thing..... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 12:30:49 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: , , Subject: RE: Chain tightening Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:30:23 -0500 You shouldn't have to pull on the tire at all. After you loosen the lock nuts several turns, you use the adjusters to force the wheel rear-wards, tightening the chain. Then you re-lock the adjusters with the locknuts, and tighten (torque) the axle nut. The wheel should stay against the adjusters the entire time. > How do I assure myself that I am not doing this? I loosen both the axle > bolt and the adjuster bolts, and have been pulling on the tire. > Is there a > way to make sure that I am actually moving the adjusters and not just the > tire? ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 12:33:46 2002 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bloody salesmen Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 12:22:18 -0500 This thread has come up at an interesting time for me. You see, I'm contemplating getting back into the motorcycle business, and was wondering what the list impression is of Criswell Power Sports in Gaithersburg. I haven't seen much, if any, mention of them at all here. Anyone care to comment on their experience(s) there, or can say what they need to work on? Personally, I've never done business with them, but I did do some parts research there for a used bike my bro once looked at buying. I say 'getting back into' because I did spend some time at Coleman 5 years ago and absolutely hated it. But in relation to this thread, I did talk a young kid, hell bent on a sport bike as his first, out of a 750 and onto a CBR600. Small moral victory in my book. Just curious what the general opinion is, that's all. I haven't committed to anything there yet, but they are ridiculously close to me and it's worth checking out. Thanks. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" , "matthew patton" CC: Subject: Re: bloody salesmen Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:29:37 -0500 A CBR 600? Heck, they had a CBR1100XX on the floor the last time I was there. It could've been worse. Better yet sell them a new Triumph and collect the parts mark-up on the (almost inevitable) busted plastic. I can see both sides of the coin though. On the one hand dealerships are like restaurants. They are in business to satisfy the customer's immediate needs, with food that tastes good, or the impulse buy of a motorcycle that is all too common. They are not concerned with the potential heart attack you're going to have down the road from a steady diet of their food. Nor are they in the business of hectoring the customer about what's "good for them." Caveat emptor. On the other hand, a more sophisticated approach is what we have experienced from a software vendor. I called about a CAD package and the salesman actually steered me to a lower cost product, saying it was better for our needs since we'd never use all the bells and whistles of more expensive products due to the nature of our business. Based on what I had read, I was ready to pull the switch on more expensive software. While he may have earned less commission (it's hard to tell actually) he built a better relationship with the customer because he instilled trust and actually took the time to understand our needs. I'm more likely to buy something from him again. Being counseled to a higher-priced product that really didn't fit our needs may very well have soured our relationship. In the motorcycle and auto sales business, though, there is rarely this sort of long term commitment to the customer. Maybe at some BMW places where the marque's premium image is involved and there is a lot of repeat business and high-priced OEM-label accessory sales. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" > Consider yourself fortunate that the saleman didn't sic a pit bull on you > or blast your interloping butt with pepper spray. > > Bill > > matthew patton wrote: > > > "Then I guess something no bigger than the 600cc class." > > I watch him from several paces away curious as to where this was > > headed... > > "Here we have a 2001 CBR 600F4i, a nice bike, a good starter." > > I about go bonkers. I saunter over and pipe in. .. > > The salesdroid is nearby wringing his hands. WTF is wrong with these > > people? A CBR?!?!? Why aren't they responsible enough to own up to > > their position of "authority" and recommend something 1/2 way sane? > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 12:36:10 2002 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:36:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: bloody salesmen To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX two problems here: 1. your mouth. if i was that salesman, i would have had no qualms telling you to shut your trap. you probably just took food out of his kids' mouths. 2. your theory. any motorcycle in the hands of an idiot can easily kill him/her. the relevant factor here is the respect given the machine by its owner. you cannot make valid, blanket statements about machines... in any event, its a cbr600. there ain't a more user friendly bike on the market. --- matthew patton wrote: > I was in Clinton Cycles to pick up a couple dollars worth > of parts on > Sat and was standing around the used/new end of the store > when a lady > of mid-30's came in. The sales droid trotted up and > asked, > "so how can I help you?" > "I'm interested in getting a bike." > "As you see we have a number, the selection would depend > on a couple of > factors. Would this be your first one?" > "yes" > "Then I guess something no bigger than the 600cc class." > I watch him from several paces away curious as to where > this was > headed... > "Here we have a 2001 CBR 600F4i, a nice bike, a good > starter." > I about go bonkers. I saunter over and pipe in. > "Have you attended a MSF class?" > "No, I've heard of it but the lines are really long they > say." > (me) "I can't speak to PG county but the classes in > Fredericksburg and > other places are not so busy. You should take the class > before you even > look seriously at buying anything." > (her) "Ok, sounds good. Do you have more information?" > I point to the salesdroid who affirms he has PG county > sign-up info. > Turning around I point at the next bike in the row. > "Now here is a Kawi EX500, and a couple on down is a > Suzuki GS500e. > They are far better bikes on which to learn and are very > popular with > women and my students for their riding characteristics > and low seat > height. I would put them at the top of your list." > > The salesdroid is nearby wringing his hands. WTF is wrong > with these > people? A CBR?!?!? Why aren't they responsible enough to > own up to > their position of "authority" and recommend something 1/2 > way sane? > It's not like he didn't have suitable machines (used no > less) sitting > right there on the floor collecting dust... > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 12:44:37 2002 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:44:11 EST Subject: Re: bloody salesmen To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_142.c2122d9.29d9f66b_boundary > two problems here: > > 1. your mouth. if i was that salesman, i would have had > no qualms telling you to shut your trap. you probably just > took food out of his kids' mouths. Hmmm...food out of some kids mouth...or somebody dying a violent needless death? The kids can skip a meal. Sorry Gimer...I agree with Patton. Most salesman at bike shops know very little about bikes and/or riding. I've worked in one....the sales staff cared about commissions only. > 2. your theory. any motorcycle in the hands of an idiot > can easily kill him/her. the relevant factor here is the > respect given the machine by its owner. you cannot make > valid, blanket statements about machines... A 100hp bike is NOT a beginner bike. I'm sorry...it just isn't so. > in any event, its a cbr600. there ain't a more user > friendly bike on the market. Yup...nice...friendly...until you snap the throttle when annoyed at that car in front of you...and you highside into oncoming traffic. Face it...in a perfect world it would be great. But most people don't pay that much attention even in a car....on a bike it's a lethal combination...hp & inattention. --part1_142.c2122d9.29d9f66b_boundary

two problems here:

1.  your mouth.  if i was that salesman, i would have had
no qualms telling you to shut your trap.  you probably just
took food out of his kids' mouths.


Hmmm...food out of some kids mouth...or somebody dying a violent needless death?  The kids can skip a meal.  Sorry Gimer...I agree with Patton.  Most salesman at bike shops know very little about bikes and/or riding.  I've worked in one....the sales staff cared about commissions only. 

2.  your theory.  any motorcycle in the hands of an idiot
can easily kill him/her.  the relevant factor here is the
respect given the machine by its owner.  you cannot make
valid, blanket statements about machines...


A 100hp bike is NOT a beginner bike.  I'm sorry...it just isn't so.

in any event, its a cbr600.  there ain't a more user
friendly bike on the market.


Yup...nice...friendly...until you snap the throttle when annoyed at that car in front of you...and you highside into oncoming traffic.  Face it...in a perfect world it would be great.  But most people don't pay that much attention even in a car....on a bike it's a lethal combination...hp & inattention.
--part1_142.c2122d9.29d9f66b_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 13:21:38 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Boxer Bill Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:22:30 -0500 http://www.motorcyclesafely.com/html/press_0.html Here's a new legislative initiative unveiled today. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 13:24:48 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: RE: Boxer Bill Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:24:23 -0500 She forgot to include the "Salespersons responsible for the safety of customers" portion --jon 4/1/02.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 1:23 PM > To: dc-cycles list > Subject: Boxer Bill > > > http://www.motorcyclesafely.com/html/press_0.html > > Here's a new legislative initiative unveiled today. > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 13:24:56 2002 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 12:22:36 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: bloody salesmen >>> "Rob Keiser" wrote SNIP >was wondering what the list impression is of Criswell Power Sports in Gaithersburg. I have been up there a few times, I thought they were supposed to move into a new location and have a multi-vendor dealership. From what I have seen at their current location, behind all the Criswell car dealerships, there are never any customers looking at or buying bikes when I have been there and they have virtually no accessories dept, and all the bikes are packed in a very small space. I have heard that Criswell is a good organization, but since it is mainly a car dealership business I would wonder about the "car business" mentality. Are you looking for a sales job there? if that's the case and they are staying in that location I wouldn't do it. Besides you need to sell Honda's George From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 13:35:23 2002 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:35:21 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: bloody salesmen To: SKeener2@XXXXXX, pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > two problems here: > > > > 1. your mouth. if i was that salesman, i would have > had > > no qualms telling you to shut your trap. you probably > just > > took food out of his kids' mouths. > > Hmmm...food out of some kids mouth...or somebody dying a > violent needless death? if this is really about saving lives, then let's close the motorcycle shops altogether.... i find it interesting the way you have phrased this as if it were a news headline about a brutal stabbing on the street. this is a dangerous recreational activity and everyone who walks into a shop knows that.... > The kids can skip a meal. Sorry Gimer...I agree > with Patton. Most > salesman at bike shops know very little about bikes > and/or riding. I've > worked in one....the sales staff cared about commissions > only. apparently this salesman was trying to push the $8k bike, not the $11k one.... salesmen are salesmen. just because they're in the motorcycle industry shouldn't subject them to higher moral standards, imo. in a perfect world, perhaps.... > > 2. your theory. any motorcycle in the hands of an > idiot > > can easily kill him/her. the relevant factor here is > the > > respect given the machine by its owner. you cannot > make > > valid, blanket statements about machines... > > A 100hp bike is NOT a beginner bike. I'm sorry...it just > isn't so. i 100hp bike is a better beginner bike than a 140hp bike. let me be clear, though: i'm not recommending that everyone go out and purchase a 100hp starter bike.... at the same time i know plenty of people who could handle such a machine as their first bike because they already know of the respect due the machine from the rider which is required for motorcycles in general. i started on dirt bikes, then dual purpose, then small sportbikes.... and that was definitely helpful to me. however, not everybody has that opportunity, so they try to find a first bike that they can handle, then grow into. the cbr600 would seem (to me) to fit that bill. the f3 was such a bike, imo. has the newest model become an incredibly powerful beast? i would guess only at or near redline.... > > in any event, its a cbr600. there ain't a more user > > friendly bike on the market. > > Yup...nice...friendly...until you snap the throttle when > annoyed at that car > in front of you...and you highside into oncoming traffic. > Face it...in a > perfect world it would be great. But most people don't > pay that much > attention even in a car....on a bike it's a lethal > combination...hp & > inattention. MOTORCYCLES and inattention would seem to be just as lethal a combination.... "snapping the throttle" in some sort of rage (quite odd that you have chosen this as the circumstance in which a newbie on a sportbike would find himself in trouble) is going to get you in trouble on most bikes. motorcyles in general are dangerous in the hands of newbies..... sportbikes even more so. but there is no shock factor for me in a newbie 600 purchase. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 13:36:35 2002 Subject: RE: RE: Chain tightening From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:36:34 -0500 To: "michael.brocchi@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" What Jon said. If you're getting too much slack, use the adjusters to move the wheel back in the swingarm until you have the requisite static slack. Don't pull the wheel back and then turn the adjusters. And Jon is also right about losing some of the slack when you tighten up the axcle nuts. So if the recommended slack is 1-1.25", 1.5" before you tighten the bolts will probably be about right. One other (remote) possibility is that your chain is just a link or two too long for the sprocket combination you're running. But I'm more inclined to think that you just don't have the axle adjusters set right and for some reason the wheel is moving forward just wee bit (even with the axle bolts tightened properly. Original Message: ----------------- From: Jon Strang jmstrang@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:30:23 -0500 To: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Chain tightening You shouldn't have to pull on the tire at all. After you loosen the lock nuts several turns, you use the adjusters to force the wheel rear-wards, tightening the chain. Then you re-lock the adjusters with the locknuts, and tighten (torque) the axle nut. The wheel should stay against the adjusters the entire time. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 13:39:04 2002 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 12:36:46 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Boxer Bill Is this for real? And does the Motorcycle safety foundation endorse this? George Cole >>> "Paul Wilson" 04/01/02 01:22PM >>> http://www.motorcyclesafely.com/html/press_0.html Here's a new legislative initiative unveiled today. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 13:42:34 2002 Subject: RE: RE: Boxer Bill From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:42:33 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" The MSF is advocating for this kind of legislation??? What a bunch of crap. Just what we need ... more f---ing safety-crats. I think the MSF does a great thing teaching people how to ride motorcycles. But they ought to keep their noses out of legislation. Original Message: ----------------- From: Jon Strang jmstrang@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:24:23 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Boxer Bill She forgot to include the "Salespersons responsible for the safety of customers" portion --jon 4/1/02.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 1:23 PM > To: dc-cycles list > Subject: Boxer Bill > > > http://www.motorcyclesafely.com/html/press_0.html > > Here's a new legislative initiative unveiled today. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 13:43:27 2002 From: "Bruce Norton" To: Subject: Re: Boxer Bill Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:44:09 -0500 Note the date. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Cole" > Is this for real? And does the Motorcycle safety foundation endorse this? > > George Cole > > > >>> "Paul Wilson" 04/01/02 01:22PM >>> > http://www.motorcyclesafely.com/html/press_0.html > > Here's a new legislative initiative unveiled today. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 13:45:31 2002 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:45:30 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Boxer Bill To: dc-cycles list You almost had me. I was writing a long diatribe against this hag when I realized that today is April first. Close, but no cigar!!! :^P Chris Weaver --- Paul Wilson wrote: > http://www.motorcyclesafely.com/html/press_0.html > > Here's a new legislative initiative unveiled today. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 13:46:04 2002 Subject: RE: Re: Boxer Bill From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:46:03 -0500 To: "george.cole@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "pawilson@XXXXXX" My bad re my previous post. This group is not the MSF that we all know and love (except for those of who rely almost exclusively on our front brakes!) This is the Motorcycle SAFELY Foundation. And is this for real or some sort of practical joke??? Original Message: ----------------- From: George Cole George.Cole@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 12:36:46 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boxer Bill Is this for real? And does the Motorcycle safety foundation endorse this? George Cole >>> "Paul Wilson" 04/01/02 01:22PM >>> http://www.motorcyclesafely.com/html/press_0.html Here's a new legislative initiative unveiled today. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 13:46:30 2002 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:46:29 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: RE: Boxer Bill To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" you guys are gulible! --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > The MSF is advocating for this kind of > legislation??? What a bunch of crap. Just what we > need ... more f---ing safety-crats. I think the MSF > does a great thing teaching people how to ride > motorcycles. But they ought to keep their noses out > of legislation. > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Jon Strang jmstrang@XXXXXX > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:24:23 -0500 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Boxer Bill > > > She forgot to include the "Salespersons responsible > for the safety of > customers" portion > > --jon > 4/1/02.... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 1:23 PM > > To: dc-cycles list > > Subject: Boxer Bill > > > > > > http://www.motorcyclesafely.com/html/press_0.html > > > > Here's a new legislative initiative unveiled > today. > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 13:48:43 2002 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:48:35 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" cc: "michael.brocchi@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: RE: Chain tightening X-Loop-Detect: 1 I've noticed that it matters what angle your wrench is when you torque down axle bolts. This because the wrench not only conveys torque, but also lateral force corresponding to the direction you're pushing the handle. You may find that pushing up/down moves the axle fore/aft less than pushing forward/backward, or that pushing the wrench handle so that the axle is pushed against the adjuster stops gives you more control, as opposed to pulling the axle away from the adjuster stop. Gee, I sure hope that makes sense! -ph From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 13:49:30 2002 From: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 13:49:10 -0500 Subject: RE: RE: Boxer Bill To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX All I know is that it has to be an April Fool's joke... Otherwise and un-motivated person like myself might actually send a letter to my congressperson From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 13:52:25 2002 Subject: RE: RE: RE: Boxer Bill From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:52:24 -0500 To: "markkitchell@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Sheepishly ... OK, I admit to being had. And just to make sure, I checked Senator Boxer's website and the aforementioned bill was not in the news. What a tosser! Original Message: ----------------- From: Mark Kitchell markkitchell@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:46:29 -0800 (PST) To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Boxer Bill you guys are gulible! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 14:12:20 2002 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:12:19 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: Boxer Bill To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list Not again! I just read all the people screaming their heads off over this on the SV650 list, until someone pointed out that it is was published April 1st. Keith --- Paul Wilson wrote: > http://www.motorcyclesafely.com/html/press_0.html > > Here's a new legislative initiative unveiled today. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 14:33:04 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mark Kitchell" , , Subject: Re: RE: Boxer Bill Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 14:33:09 -0500 ROTFLMAO!! Chuck, you ought to know better. Check out the rest of the web site. It is very well done. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" To: ; > you guys are gulible! > > > --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > wrote: > > The MSF is advocating for this kind of > > legislation??? What a bunch of crap. Just what we > > need ... more f---ing safety-crats. I think the MSF > > does a great thing teaching people how to ride > > motorcycles. But they ought to keep their noses out > > of legislation. > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: Jon Strang jmstrang@XXXXXX > > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:24:23 -0500 > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Boxer Bill > > > > > > She forgot to include the "Salespersons responsible > > for the safety of > > customers" portion > > > > --jon > > 4/1/02.... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 1:23 PM > > > To: dc-cycles list > > > Subject: Boxer Bill > > > > > > > > > http://www.motorcyclesafely.com/html/press_0.html > > > > > > Here's a new legislative initiative unveiled > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 14:56:47 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 14:56:28 EST Subject: Re: dirt bike helmet vs street helmet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/1/2002 12:16:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > I felt claustrophic and short of breath just thinking about riding off road > in a full face street helmet. At the time there were no dedicated off road helmets (That I am aware of) Few of us rode with full face on or off road. I wore a full face helmet when racing motocross on an open class bike and it was no problem, motocross is relatively fast, I got plenty of air. However when I tried enduro with its much slower speeds I damn near passed out. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 15:10:39 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:10:25 EST Subject: Re: Boxer Bill To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/1/2002 1:43:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > What a bunch of crap. Just what we need ... more f---ing safety-crats. I aggree it is crap.... But I think you should check todays date. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 15:31:48 2002 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:31:45 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: bloody salesmen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Tom Gimer opined: > 1. your mouth. if i was that salesman, i would have had > no qualms telling you to shut your trap. you probably just > took food out of his kids' mouths. He wasn't married. Or at least wasn't wearing a ring to indicate such. > 2. your theory. any motorcycle in the hands of an idiot > can easily kill him/her. the relevant factor here is the > respect given the machine by its owner. you cannot make > valid, blanket statements about machines... No, but I damn well can provide some reasonable input when I happen to be in the neighborhood. The customer was completely and utterly clueless. All she had was a vague desire to "ride a motorcycle." For who knows what reasons. She was way too short to deal with the F4 seat-height not to mention the "break your wrists" forward leaning position. Gimmer, you're a way weird example. Nobody I know rides a Duc like you do and the torture rack model no less. Sure I'm asking too much of sales droids to actually give a rat's ass or be in any way NOT an absolute bottom-line, separate them from their cash and to hell with the consequences, sort of person. In car dealerships it's not very common to confront a person who doesn't have the first damn clue about the operation of a vehicle. You find that in bike shops all of the time. And people walk into dealerships thinking that the sales dude is a trustworthy, authoritative source on all things 2-wheeled. Hah!! > in any event, its a cbr600. there ain't a more user > friendly bike on the market. Like hell! User friendly to you or anybody else who just so happens to be used to riding a 100HP missile purhaps, and has considerable riding experience under the belt. Maybe you were weaned on 60HP bikes when you were five but really Tom, how much have you rubbed shoulders with people not even taking their first steps in the area of motorized 2 wheeled transport? I do and by the dozens. I probably wouldn't have gotten a stick up my ass had the guy really not had anything suitable on the floor. He had more like 5, count 'em 5 beginner bikes. Used bikes are a drag on any dealerhip's floors and he had a prime opportunity to sell one and wasn't even close to giving them mention, let alone emphasis when even a blind, deaf, mute would have known that the CBR was the worst possible solution available. I could have really gotten in his craw by mentioning how rediculous his pricing was and that sales from private parties and other resources would yield better results. But I didn't because even I know that would be leaping across the line of good manners. As it is, the lady came away vastly better informed both on bikes and training and can then help focus her future searches. And she just might buy her GS or EX from them. The salesman had plenty of cred left, I just "helped" him focus on what he should have been doing from the get-go. I am sympathetic to the Libertarian bent of "to hell with people, let them make their own choices and reap the consequences and not allow gov't to intrude on personal decisions..." Unfortunately the world doesn't turn like that. The MC community is composed entirely too much with fools and vagabonds of various stripes. "Responsible behavior" on a motorcycle is about as accurate as "military intelligence." Whether or not we like it, legistation and other action is contantly trying to 'fix' the perceived problem. If by intervening (and really, I wasn't obnoxious about it) I can spare one more life, keep one more headline from appearing, and give a person the opportunity to learn and ENJOY the experience then IMO that was a good day's work. We need more evangelists and fewer, rabid zealots screaming about 'rights.' It may not grab headlines like Jesse Jackson, but the 1:1 interaction and ground-swell is what lasts and returns greater long-term dividends. If anyone wants to dispute this further, let's do it off-line. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 15:43:19 2002 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 15:42:37 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boxer Bill To: , , Doubt it. Check out the date. 4/1/02 :-) Scooter (I ain't no fool...usually ;-) ) In a message dated Mon, 1 Apr 2002 1:41:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, "George Cole" writes: > Is this for real? And does the Motorcycle safety foundation endorse this? > > George Cole > > > >>> "Paul Wilson" 04/01/02 01:22PM >>> > http://www.motorcyclesafely.com/html/press_0.html > > Here's a new legislative initiative unveiled today. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 15:45:05 2002 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 15:44:36 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Boxer Bill To: , , Aren't they. I came prepared for the worst today at work. So far...nothing. Scooter (AFDA - April Fool's Day Aware) In a message dated Mon, 1 Apr 2002 1:47:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, Mark Kitchell writes: > you guys are gulible! > > > --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > wrote: > > The MSF is advocating for this kind of > > legislation??? What a bunch of crap. Just what we > > need ... more f---ing safety-crats. I think the MSF > > does a great thing teaching people how to ride > > motorcycles. But they ought to keep their noses out > > of legislation. > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: Jon Strang jmstrang@XXXXXX > > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:24:23 -0500 > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Boxer Bill > > > > > > She forgot to include the "Salespersons responsible > > for the safety of > > customers" portion > > > > --jon > > 4/1/02.... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 1:23 PM > > > To: dc-cycles list > > > Subject: Boxer Bill > > > > > > > > > http://www.motorcyclesafely.com/html/press_0.html > > > > > > Here's a new legislative initiative unveiled > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 15:51:42 2002 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: RE: bloody salesmen Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:51:55 -0500 In England, i believe they need to attach L *learner* plates on the back and wear bright orange vests when they are starting out. This is a good idea. Doesnt this sort of thing make insurance rates go up for the rest of us? Why is it that its much more expensive to insure a 20 year old male rider, than a 40 year old female rider? Could it be because most of the accidents are caused or involve 20 year old riders? It certainly is HIS life on the line. But dont forget, that there are many more people on road than just one guy riding recklessly. His inexperience on the bike could cause someone else to crash, is this possible? Personaly i started riding on bigger bikes, and i never had any problems. Go figure. Ricardo From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 16:07:54 2002 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:07:48 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE: bloody salesmen In England, i believe they need to attach L *learner* plates on the back and wear bright orange vests when they are starting out. This is a good idea. I have a relative that did surveillance for the FBI (not a special agent, so no, I can't get you off of any federal raps), they now instruct at Quantico. At any rate, part of their duty was to tail Soviet diplomats, whose plates all began with "FC", allegedly for 'f%%king communist'. Now, they live in DC, with license plates on their car with letters "BG" on them - which I liken to 'Bad Guy' ;-) Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 16:11:48 2002 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: RE: bloody salesmen Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:12:05 -0500 I dont see that his comments are out of line. I see this post as a education of a woman who wants to get into motorcycles. Im sure she is a bright woman, capable of making up her own mind. Now she has more of a selection to make an intelligent decision. Most salesmen tell you anything in order to sell you a bike. If they see a 18 year old guy coming in to buy a Hayabusa as a 1st bike, they tell him what he WANTS to hear. Same thing with this woman. You can bet a fellow motorcyclist has more useful information than that blood suckin vampire(and i mean that in a good way) :) Hey, do they still have any triumph tigers for sale in Clinton Cycles? There should be lisences for every size of bike. 50cc, 250, 500, 600, 1000, 1200+. Gradually getting all the licenses to get to the heavy bikes. Ricardo two problems here: 1. your mouth. if i was that salesman, i would have had no qualms telling you to shut your trap. you probably just took food out of his kids' mouths. 2. your theory. any motorcycle in the hands of an idiot can easily kill him/her. the relevant factor here is the respect given the machine by its owner. you cannot make valid, blanket statements about machines... in any event, its a cbr600. there ain't a more user friendly bike on the market. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 16:25:09 2002 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:23:11 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boxer Bill Damn, you had me worried for a while then I remembered it was St. Hugh's day. Everyone is encouraged to have some single malt or beverage of choice in honor of my patron saint. Hugh On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > http://www.motorcyclesafely.com/html/press_0.html > > Here's a new legislative initiative unveiled today. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 16:41:43 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt bike helmet vs street helmet Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 16:50:01 -0500 Hmm.. so a dirt bike helmet might be a nice summer heat compramise? not to mention the dirtbike helmet has a sun visor type of deal much like a ball cap. Sun in my eyes really sucks. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 16:44:28 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" Cc: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bloody salesmen Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 16:52:47 -0500 Keep in contact with him. I'll buy it from him and the insurance comapny after he wrecks it. Danny |>got a bike! Cool, sez me, what kind? A Habasuyu! *EEK* But I've ridden |>before, he sez - yeah, more'n a dacade before and his previous big bore was |>400. And the salemen did try to talk him down in size, but given the |>choice of selling the bike or seeing the money walk, the bike got sold. |> |>Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 16:44:41 2002 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:44:40 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: dirt bike helmet vs street helmet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX A dirt bike helmet is designed for multiple tumbles also, so the shells are usually plastic and the cushioning is more cushioney but less hard-impact resistant. I have taken some hard hits to the head in street bike helmets (which would explain some things), I am very glad I wasn't wearing my dirt bike helmet at the time. I would stick with a street bike helmet for the street. --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Hmm.. so a dirt bike helmet might be a nice summer > heat compramise? > > not to mention the dirtbike helmet has a sun visor > type of deal much > > like a ball cap. Sun in my eyes really sucks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 16:46:56 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Ricardo Pontes" Cc: "Dccycles" Subject: Re: bloody salesmen Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 16:55:15 -0500 Sounds like the time my friend told me about his lunch time experience. He goes to a bike shop, i think cycles usa? and some kid is getting an R1. I think even his mother is helping him buy it or something, she's there. He conveys to my freind it's his first sportbike or something. My friend warns him to take it easy and that's a serios bike. The kid goes out on to the highway, pulls a stand up wheelie and of course loses it faling off the back. he was okay minus some non lethal hide skinning.. but.. there you have it, another example of big head soft ass. Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 16:59:34 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: "pattonme@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: bloody salesmen Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 17:07:53 -0500 On the other hand, there are a number of people who do buy the cbr as their first bike and have the same type of boo-boo's that they would have on an ex500. There are some people who aren't calculated enough to concieve they have slight accidents on their pretty new expensive bikes, and even when you tell them, they dont' care. So hey if they want the cbr 600... it's not exactly a death trap.. a lot of people learn to ride on them especially women. Of course everyone has their booboo's wether it be me on my first bike ex250 or them on their cbr 600's. the difference is the paid about 10 times more than I did to send a motorcycle down on the pavement. but hey that's their perrogative if they can afford it. and further up the arm on the othe hand, my 2nd and 3rd bikes still manage to see the pavement, so maybe they are just skipping step one. still their perrogative. does a ex500 provide more margin for error? yes. Is it a better (cheaper) learning bike? yes. can people learn the knowledge portion of riding before they get on a bike and then ride a cbr 600 carefully? yes. A lot of people want their first bike for poser value anyway. They'd drive the cbr just as slow as the ex500 an make it virtually the same thing. Just playing devils advocate I guess. I always tell people their first bike and the bike they love should never be the same thing. there is no perfect 1st bike that will be a persons one and only bike. Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 17:11:08 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: vfr swing arm? Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 17:19:27 -0500 |>It often seems that NO parts from one year will fit the same model the next Times have changed. The suzuki gsxr's share a lot of parts from 96-99 and now 2001 on up. The honda f2, f3, share a lot of parts, and some minor parts even on the F4. The kaw zx6r, zx9r share some parts as well. Now i'm wondering if one could put the vfr swing arm on some other frames :) it would look very trick.. Given the general ease of swng arm dismounting and mounting.. if i had the opertunity I might give it a go... but i won't have the oppertunity. Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 17:25:43 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: re City Riding Strategies - braking thread Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 17:34:02 -0500 |>Correct technique is the key. Wrong technique was your problem. And the braking thread begins! I KNOW they don't teach you to cover the front brake while you're on the throttle in the MSF class. right? The problem with covering the front brake and being on the gas is just what happened to me, in an emergency your instinct is to just grab the front brake, because normally when one grabs the front brake they are already off the throttle. When you set your hand to grab the front brake your brain is already thinking it already let go fo the throttle. In an emergency your brain doesn't take time to do double checks of what your habbit already is. That's equivelent to telling new automobile drivers to cover the brake with their left foot and use the gas with thier rifght foot. What you find is 2 things: 1. a new driver doing burn outs running into objects. 2. people driving with their brake lights on. Oh and let's not forget the "stop or go" mentality and the lack of the "coasting" factor to maintain distances. God those accellerate or brake drivers suck. If you have to question wether you will need to use the front brake, you should slow down to a speed where you have time to let go of the accellerator and then use the front brake safely. You don't want to put yourself into a possition of possibly using the front brake and be on the gas at the same out of instinct to slow down because of a sitation arises. So all that "you're not doing it right" "cover the front brake and gas" is just hooey. Let's take a poll: Who here recommends that you put two fingers over the front brake while your'e on the gas? Who here recommends that you cover the brake only after you are off the gas? Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 18:01:00 2002 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:12:13 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: re City Riding Strategies - braking thread At 05:34 PM 4/1/02 -0500, you wrote: >Who here recommends that you put two fingers over the front brake >while your'e on the gas? I cover my brake when on the gas. I've also panic stopped in this situation and *MY INSTINCT* is to close the throttle and apply the brake. Work on it in a parking lot, you'll get it with some practice (it's almost as natural as using your rear brake!) ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 18:07:04 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: , , Subject: Re: City Riding Strategies Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:15:23 -0500 scooter wrote: ------------------------------- maybe someone will get the point. As to the people "sharing" your lane to pass, it's up to you. Half the time they're too busy yakking on the phone to even realize you are there. A good kick to the door will wake them up. But, it might also cause them to swerve into your lane. I usually lay on the horn, give the universal one fingered salute and then shake my head at the idiots. ------------- Now see i would never kick a car from my moving bike. Too much chance to make me crash on my own and possibly be witnesses.. What I would do is [CENSORED] and then [CENSORED]! Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 18:07:39 2002 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:07:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jeremy Purdy Subject: RE: Whiskey To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, GBruhl@XXXXXX, pltrgyst@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Ummm... Bourbon IS Whiskey. >Yes, but it's not whisky, which is the word whose >plural I was using; the cointext was scotch tastings. >Gets confusing when the plurals are the same, doesn't >it? That's why, when referring to whiskey, most trade >writers use the plural "whiskeys" to maintain the >distinction. Are you seriously trying to say that the two words mean something different? I suppose that "color" and "colour" are different too. According to the folks at Merriam-Webster the two words mean the same thing. (Also, according to those same folks the plural of "whiskey" is "whiskeys" and the plural of "whisky" is "whiskies"). Please tell me what source defines the difference. Did I miss that by not taking my local Yuppie indoctrination or was that in the popular "101 Ways to PROVE you are Better Than the Jonses" -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star Classic __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 18:08:04 2002 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:06:09 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt bike helmet vs street helmet daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Hmm.. so a dirt bike helmet might be a nice summer heat compramise? > > not to mention the dirtbike helmet has a sun visor type of deal much > > like a ball cap. Sun in my eyes really sucks. Wait until that cute sun visor catchs the breeze while your doing warp 3 and you may learn the true meaning of suckage. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 18:17:36 2002 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:15:46 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: re City Riding Strategies - braking thread daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > So all that "you're not doing it right" "cover the front brake and > gas" is just hooey. Let's take a poll: > > Who here recommends that you put two fingers over the front brake > while your'e on the gas? Not me. Use all four fingers. I recomend covering the clutch and brakes (front and rear) when approaching a dicey situation, such as an intersection. > Who here recommends that you cover the brake only after you are > off the gas? Covering brakes has nothing to do with gason/gasoff. One covers when a possible hazardous situation comes into view. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 18:22:40 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Wayne Edelen" Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: re City Riding Strategies - braking thread Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:22:32 -0500 As Wayne says cover, that is, not necessarily *around* the lever, but certainly *near* it as in on top of it to cut reaction time. As your fingers curl around the lever to squeeze, you will automatically roll off the throttle. Pridmore (and surely others) teaches this technique to promote smooth throttle/brake transitions. You can begin to brake as you simultaneously roll off the throttle. What you're doing is simultaneously braking with the engine and the front brake (and rear too if you like, but let's leave that alone for now!) Actually, that's another case for going easy on the rear brake. Your engine is already applying braking force and, therefore, making substantial withdrawals from your rear tire's account at the Bank of Traction. You don't need to wait until the throttle snaps shut before you apply the brake. You're wasting valuable time and lengthening your stopping distance if you do that in a maximum braking situation. When I say cover it, I certainly don't mean all the time, just in heavy traffic or in other potentially hairy situations. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" To: Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Re: re City Riding Strategies - braking thread > At 05:34 PM 4/1/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Who here recommends that you put two fingers over the front brake > >while your'e on the gas? > > I cover my brake when on the gas. I've also panic stopped in this > situation and *MY INSTINCT* is to close the throttle and apply the brake. > > Work on it in a parking lot, you'll get it with some practice (it's almost > as natural as using your rear brake!) ;-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 18:37:24 2002 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:40:52 -0500 From: Larry Meyer To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Boxer Bill You mean you wouldn't believe that of Barbara Boxer??? Kudos to the perpetrators for picking the right legislator. Mark Kitchell wrote: >you guys are gulible! > > >--- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" >wrote: > >>The MSF is advocating for this kind of >>legislation??? What a bunch of crap. Just what we >>need ... more f---ing safety-crats. I think the MSF >>does a great thing teaching people how to ride >>motorcycles. But they ought to keep their noses out >>of legislation. >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 18:38:58 2002 From: "Dave Yates" Cc: "'dc-cycles list'" Subject: RE: re City Riding Strategies - braking thread Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:11:33 -0500 Paul Posted As Wayne says cover, that is, not necessarily *around* the lever, but certainly *near* it as in on top of it to cut reaction time. As your fingers curl around the lever to squeeze, you will automatically roll off the throttle. Think of this as the opposite of a drag race. Whereas a drag race is often won/lost in the 60', likewise panic braking moves are often won or lost in the 1st few tenths of a second... If you've got a fist full of throttle, even if you're going slowly, you're losing precious fractions of a second transitioning from the grip to the lever. Lockups tend to occur under stress because the initial 'bite' on the lever overcomes available traction. A smooth, steady, quick & firm pull on the (brake) lever, applying gradually more pressure up to the threshold of traction is the key here, and as the object ahead looms larger & LARGER, your brain is saying "MUST S T O P N O O O O O W W W W W ! ! ! ! !" ... Pridmore (and surely others) teaches this technique to promote smooth throttle/brake transitions. You can begin to brake as you simultaneously roll off the throttle. What you're doing is simultaneously braking with the engine and the front brake (and rear too if you like, but let's leave that alone for now!) Actually, that's another case for going easy on the rear brake. Your engine is already applying braking force and, therefore, making substantial withdrawals from your rear tire's account at the Bank of Traction. You don't need to wait until the throttle snaps shut before you apply the brake. You're wasting valuable time and lengthening your stopping distance if you do that in a maximum braking situation. Good analogy. When I say cover it, I certainly don't mean all the time, just in heavy traffic or in other potentially hairy situations. Just remember this - when that strato-lounger comes bouncing off the pickup in front of you on the beltway, Just how prepared do you want to be - Posing with one hand on the clip ons, looking cool to all those you pass, or both hands on the clip ons, while covering the front brake ???? The need for covering the brake(s) is somewhere between all the time & when it's needed... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 18:43:45 2002 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:44:42 -0500 To: Jeremy Purdy , jmstrang@XXXXXX, GBruhl@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: Whiskey Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 06:07 PM 4/1/2002, Jeremy Purdy wrote: > >Yes, but it's not whisky, which is the word whose > >plural I was using; .... > >Are you seriously trying to say that the two words >mean something different? Yes, they are. "Whisky" is generally used in the trade and in publications to refer only to Scotch whisky, and some Canadian whisky. All others are referred to as "whiskey". -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 19:42:43 2002 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 19:45:02 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Dichotomy bruce, casting out a line opines: am i the only one that is having trouble figuring out the opposing arguements between: lane filtering: f**k'em, they'll figure it out. i'm not hurting them any. they ought to by a bike (leave ME alone) and salesmen need big brother: people should not be allowed buy a bike they arent qualified for... (keep an eye on THEM) i think we have invented a 'big brother who is libertarian'..... but as usual, the riders are right, its everyone ELSE thats fubar.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 20:59:55 2002 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 20:58:43 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: RE: Whiskey Count on The Straight Dope to get yer whiskies and bourbons straight! ;-) /// Rob P.S. Left over from the Burns Supper: Glenmorangie 10, Glenmorangie Port Wood 12, MacAllan 12, MacAllan 1983 (mmmm...), Islay Dew, Speyburn 10, Glen Keith 10, and BlackAdder's Single Campbeltown 1991. I don't get out much. 8-) At 06:44 PM 4/1/2002, Larry Larson wrote: >At 06:07 PM 4/1/2002, Jeremy Purdy wrote: > >> >Yes, but it's not whisky, which is the word whose >> >plural I was using; .... >> >>Are you seriously trying to say that the two words >>mean something different? > >Yes, they are. "Whisky" is generally used in the trade >and in publications to refer only to Scotch whisky, and >some Canadian whisky. All others are referred to as >"whiskey". > > >-- Larry From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 23:45:57 2002 From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Quasimoto -- Bugs and hops Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 23:37:00 -0500 Hmmm. Taking a chance here, but what promises to be a first-time-DC fun event is on tap the next few days. Having been incurably bitten by a jitterbug at an immature age I find myself lindy-hopping at local venues where a few bikes pop up now and then. So, for any interested in East Coast Swing Dancing (big band '40s-'50s style) the schedule is at http://www.dclindyexchange.org/ . There are couple of daytime outdoor flings: Events are generally sans alcohol (but thirsts come on fast). Dress is slacks through zoots/suspenders. Because substantial out-of-town groups are expected early arrivals may benefit. Questions addressed offlist. Congratulations Terps! Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> Need different tires for Lindyhop Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 1 23:52:23 2002 From: "Rob Curtis" To: "'Bruce Brownlee'" , Subject: RE: Dichotomy Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 23:52:22 -0500 That is far too perverse an insight for me this late at night. But, I will add that if our Big Brother rides, would he be wearing a helmet? Robby C. -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Brownlee [mailto:brownlee_b@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 19:45 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dichotomy bruce, casting out a line opines: am i the only one that is having trouble figuring out the opposing arguements between: lane filtering: f**k'em, they'll figure it out. i'm not hurting them any. they ought to by a bike (leave ME alone) and salesmen need big brother: people should not be allowed buy a bike they arent qualified for... (keep an eye on THEM) i think we have invented a 'big brother who is libertarian'..... but as usual, the riders are right, its everyone ELSE thats fubar.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 00:04:09 2002 From: "Anita L." To: Subject: Ride This Weekend? Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 00:15:06 -0500 Hmm.. am I allowed to post about riding on this list? :-) Anyhow, the weather hasn't been cooperating lately.. and I'm really itching to get out and ride. Any events going on this weekend? Or anyone interested in a very leisurely paced ride (still getting used to the new bike) around VA on either Saturday or Sunday? Drop me a line if you're interested and maybe we can put something together. Now back to your regular scheduled flame-fest... :-) Anita '02 BMW R1150R '96 GPZ1100 (for sale) '00 Blaster (for sale) From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 01:55:44 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Ricardo Pontes" Cc: "Dccycles" Subject: Re: bloody salesmen Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 02:04:07 -0500 |>There should be lisences for every size of bike. 50cc, 250, 500, 600, 1000, |>1200+. Gradually getting all the licenses to get to the heavy bikes. every size? 50, 70, 80, 125, 250, 350, 450, 550, 600, 650, 700, 750, 800, 850? 900, 929, 950, 1000, 1100, 1200, 1300. whever else i left out. How do you qualify the difference? (that someone is able to ride a 750 but not 900 for instance). A 600 CC rider can often enough out run a 1300 bike, if the rider has the skills. a 600's top speed is about 150 mph and a 1300 is about 190 mph. Regulating bikes for that difference of 40 mph top end is ridiculous. If you're capable of riding a bike that can go 150 mph, you might as well be considered capable of going just as fast on a bike twice the engine size. I've ridden a 600 mostly, a 750 a number of times, a 900 a few times and a 1300 once. It seems pretty much apparent to me that once you know how to ride a 600 in an intelligent manner, you can ride just about anything in an intelligent manner. I often see friends switching bikes, R6's to busa's, katana to R1, so their buddy's can get a feel for how the bike rides. They all come back safe and sound. I also know of an instance where a person was a custom bike mechanic and regularly raced hiyabusas, kill himself on an 80 cc dirtbike. (he had a heart attack while riding, loss control and hit a brick wall, without wearing proper safety gear) So even the smallest bike can kill people who are qualified to ride some of the fastest. Basicly, if you can safely operate a bike, you can safely operate a bike. If you unsafely operate a bike, you can kill yourself and harm others on any size bike. CC class liscensing would be just beauracracy. The good thing about motorcycles is that the riders that do stupid things are the ones who are subject to the consequences. No law needed, darwins law is in effect and can't be rescinded. Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 02:32:08 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bloody salesmen Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 02:40:31 -0500 On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:31:45 -0800 (PST), you wrote: |>Tom Gimer opined: |>> 1. your mouth. if i was that salesman, i would have had |>> no qualms telling you to shut your trap. you probably just |>> took food out of his kids' mouths. |> |>He wasn't married. Or at least wasn't wearing a ring to indicate such. Unfortunately marriage and parenthood are completely independant of each other. The statement was about food out of kids mouths, not a wifes. I wonder what perecent of parents are married. Unfortunately marriage is not a neccessity to bear children. I happen to think both sides are an exageration. The rider probably woudln't kill herself, and no kid would starve, if either of you were right. FWIW I agree with Tom in a less abrassive manner though heh heh. |>> 2. your theory. any motorcycle in the hands of an idiot |>> can easily kill him/her. the relevant factor here is the |>> respect given the machine by its owner. you cannot make |>> valid, blanket statements about machines... |> |>No, but I damn well can provide some reasonable input when I happen to |>be in the neighborhood. The customer was completely and utterly |>clueless. All she had was a vague desire to "ride a motorcycle." For |>who knows what reasons. She was way too short to deal with the F4 |>seat-height not to mention the "break your wrists" forward leaning So they don't make dogbones for F4's ? Short people don't ride F4's ? I know this young lady who is on a 929 or 954 honda. You better save her quick! Hey if that's the bike (cbr600) she wanted for slow riding poser value, that's her right. She could just as easily harm herself on the ex500. |>like you do and the torture rack model no less. Sure I'm asking too |>much of sales droids to actually give a rat's ass or be in any way NOT |>an absolute bottom-line, separate them from their cash and to hell with |>the consequences, sort of person. In car dealerships it's not very Well it seems like you didn't give the salesman too much of an oppertunity to get all his views out either. From yoru story it seems like you immediately cut in and took over. The salesman may happen to believe like a lot of people believe (and others demonstrate) that a new female rider can handle a cbr 600. I'm thinking if she's mid 30's she's probably mature enough not to go trying to wheelie on her first ride, and the cbr woudl be ok for her. |>common to confront a person who doesn't have the first damn clue about |>the operation of a vehicle. You find that in bike shops all of the |>time. And people walk into dealerships thinking that the sales dude is |>a trustworthy, authoritative source on all things 2-wheeled. Hah!! Some do, some don't. I know a new rider who works at freestate in parts, and I know a bike sales guy who races and does awsome stunts on his zx12. |>> in any event, its a cbr600. there ain't a more user |>> friendly bike on the market. |> |>Like hell! User friendly to you or anybody else who just so happens to |>be used to riding a 100HP missile purhaps, and has considerable riding |>experience under the belt. Maybe you were weaned on 60HP bikes when you |>were five but really Tom, how much have you rubbed shoulders with |>people not even taking their first steps in the area of motorized 2 |>wheeled transport? I do and by the dozens. I don't rub their sholders, I rub their backs as I often get hugs from them. I think most female riders inside DC and pg county start off in the 600 category, and in fact, the cbr 600. the one or two females that did get ex500's got 600's pretty soon. They make a good case for not needing the 500 and the "you'll want somethign more" theory. personally, my reasons for recommending a used bike for a new rider isnt' safety, it's for learning to care for your bike and making boo-boos. |>I probably wouldn't have gotten a stick up my ass had the guy really |>not had anything suitable on the floor. He had more like 5, count 'em 5 So the sales guy did deal with you! |>beginner bikes. Used bikes are a drag on any dealerhip's floors and he |>had a prime opportunity to sell one and wasn't even close to giving |>them mention, let alone emphasis when even a blind, deaf, mute would |>have known that the CBR was the worst possible solution available. On the other hand you have to consider.. some people want NEW bikes, they feel they can trust the reliability. And on top of that, new bikes are designed better, ride smoother, have better brakes, and lighter weights. it's not exactly evil to own a new bike as your first bike. If a person has the dough, hey go for it. Me personally, I refuse to take the financial hits. I'll wait till someone wrecks one, and rebuild it for at most half the cost. |>I could have really gotten in his craw by mentioning how rediculous his you're scaring me with these refences! |>pricing was and that sales from private parties and other resources |>would yield better results. But I didn't because even I know that would |>be leaping across the line of good manners. might as well leap across it, you're the one who drew the line. Of course some times it's a hasle to go used bike shopping. Especially if you know nothing about isnpecting bikes. Buying a new bike you're fairly certain everything is in new condition. |>As it is, the lady came away vastly better informed both on bikes and |>training and can then help focus her future searches. And she just really? Are you going ot help her shop for used bikes? |>might buy her GS or EX from them. The salesman had plenty of cred left, |>I just "helped" him focus on what he should have been doing from the |>get-go. Man what are we going to do with these guys who don't know what they should be doing and need to learn it from you. Maybe you should start a religion for bike dealership employees. preach them YOUR gospel. |>I am sympathetic to the Libertarian bent of "to hell with people, let |>them make their own choices and reap the consequences and not allow |>gov't to intrude on personal decisions..." Unfortunately the world |>doesn't turn like that. The MC community is composed entirely too much |>with fools and vagabonds of various stripes. "Responsible behavior" on |>a motorcycle is about as accurate as "military intelligence." Whether |>or not we like it, legistation and other action is contantly trying to |>'fix' the perceived problem. If by intervening (and really, I wasn't |>obnoxious about it) I can spare one more life, keep one more headline |>from appearing, and give a person the opportunity to learn and ENJOY |>the experience then IMO that was a good day's work. yea you saved another mid 30's female from making the paper. Such an epidemic now! how many mid 30's female cbr riders have killed themselves that you know of? I know a lot of females who started off with that bike, and dammit none of them died. Well chit there goes that statistic. But yea, pat yourself on the back.. I'm sure that mid 35 year old woman was just another throttle crazed lunatic about to happen had she gotten that CBR. Did she strike you more as a fool or vagabond? Thank goodness you saved her! Those mid 30 female sportbike riders are giving us male riders bad names! |> |>We need more evangelists and fewer, rabid zealots screaming about |>'rights.' It may not grab headlines like Jesse Jackson, but the 1:1 |>interaction and ground-swell is what lasts and returns greater |>long-term dividends. You like evangalists? ah well it doesn't surprise me. Frankly I find it too time consuming to distinguish the money grubbers, pedophiles, and those who truly believe and preach. I'll skip the middle man and enjoy my own personal relationship with God. And yea, we don't need any people to be zealous about rights. We woudlnt' be in this whole "freedom" problem if those zealots washington, jefferson, adams, franklin, hancock and their ilk had just kept thier traps shut! Damn them! All this freedom, what are we gonna do! |>If anyone wants to dispute this further, let's do it off-line. OOPS! you put this at the end! Ack! I'd rather not dispute it off line. That's pointless. No ones mind will change, however in a public forum we can present ideas that others can consider, learn from, and decide for themselves. Arguing is pointless without an audience. Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 02:35:42 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Peter Hartzler Cc: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" , "michael.brocchi@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Chain tightening Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 02:44:02 -0500 I hate that when you set the chain right, and tighten the axle and lose slack. Anyway his bike is a 00 model. I have a 00 model. Mine has 2100 miles on it and I just changed my chain. (wish someone woudla told me they can be expected to last till 30k, oh well atleast i got confidence in my new chain). So anyway, maybe his chain is stretched. How many miles do you have on it? What's probably most likely is that, and apparent, is that he's not using the proper tightening technique. I'd go into detail but it's already covered I see. Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 02:39:48 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" Cc: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt bike helmet vs street helmet Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 02:48:12 -0500 |>Wait until that cute sun visor catchs the breeze while your doing warp 3 |>and you may learn the true meaning of suckage. Or I could tuck below my screen, but i digress and think you're right. What i was thinking about was, though, those doubly hot days when I might also wear a mesh jacket. Probalby only ride in the city, and probably not exceded 30 mph. Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 02:53:45 2002 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Dave Yates" Cc: "'dc-cycles list'" Subject: Re: re City Riding Strategies - braking thread Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 03:02:09 -0500 |> Just remember this - when that strato-lounger comes bouncing off |>the pickup in front of you on the beltway, Just how prepared do you want |>to be - Posing with one hand on the clip ons, looking cool to all those |>you pass, or both hands on the clip ons, while covering the front brake |>???? The need for covering the brake(s) is somewhere between all the |>time & when it's needed... personally I prefer to dodge than brake, and also tend to use one hand when going through curves, because it helps me not put weight on the handlebars. One handed braking isn't exactly a scary thought to me either. Of course i'm also always attentive to the possiblity of any type of cargo vehicle losing it's cargo, or multi axle vehicles losing their tire tread. Fortunately God has blessed me with a paranoid, calculating, and thorough mind. I find good perception of possible obstacles is much better in giving me ample reaction time, enoug so that I don't need to squeeze out a fraction of a second at the risk of accellerating out the front brakes available traction. If i see something i slow down by rolling off the throttle. IF I need to brake, then I brake. If it's all clear, then all i need is throttle and no need to cover the brake. I do try to cover the clutch though. Paranoia about mechanical failure, and also ease in removing rear wheel skid from engine braking while emergency front brake stopping. Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 07:06:32 2002 From: "Sanath S" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: Ducati 996 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 07:05:26 -0500 Hi Tom, > >actually, as bad as my experience was, i'd still buy >another. very wierd what these beautiful machines do to >one's thought processes.... > >just thought of something: are the rocker arms a problem on >the '01 model? if so, he should be very careful to stay on >top of that issue.... > What sort of bad experience did you have? Where they also expensive experiences? I am well aware that Ducatis are not the easiest bikes to live with, so I am prepared for some pain. Please tell me more about the rocker arms. Is there something in particular I should look for? I am going over to the dealer in about 8 hours, cant wait :-) Sanath _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 07:23:18 2002 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 07:20:58 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: alauro@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride This Weekend? Would love too however, if all goes well today, I will be dropping my bike off to get its annual service & inspection done and throw on a new set of tires. Probably won't be back by the weekend as I usually tell them to take their time and do it right. Also have two sisters requesting my presence this weekend. :-) Have fun though. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:04:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, alauro@XXXXXX writes: > > > Hmm.. am I allowed to post about riding on this list? :-) > > Anyhow, the weather hasn't been cooperating lately.. and I'm really itching > to get out and ride. Any events going on this weekend? Or anyone interested > in a very leisurely paced ride (still getting used to the new bike) around > VA on either Saturday or Sunday? Drop me a line if you're > interested and > maybe we can put something together. > > Now back to your regular scheduled flame-fest... :-) > > Anita > '02 BMW R1150R > '96 GPZ1100 (for sale) > '00 Blaster (for sale) From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 07:32:24 2002 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 04:32:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Mason Dixon 20-20 deadline coming up... To: DC-Cycles Folks, since there was some discussion about the rally before, I wanted to remind you all that the deadline for signing up for the 2002 Mason Dixon 20-20 Rally is April 15th, 2002. There was a little bit of chest thumping before, the direct quote is "any time poserboy, you and me! i may have been nursing a damaged bike, but at least i RAN the MD2020!" (DC-Cycles, 13 Mar 02) Yet I don't see the challenger's name in the list of registered riders; the challenged one has been registered for a while. To answer some private questions that were sent to me (in case others may be interested): You can use the MD2020 to get the basic Saddle Sore 1000 (1000 miles in 24 hrs), or the BunBurner (1500 miles in 36 hrs). We have preset routes that I've heard were supposed to be nice. For those competing in the main rally itself, while I can't give away the DOA theme for this year, I can tell you that it will be a LOT of fun. This year we've had many volunteers scouting out bonuses all across the eastern United States, and even into Canada. Dale Horstman kept volunteering to find a few high value bonuses for us, but we thought he might just be trying to get a head start on the competition. (nice try Dale) Also, there will be no checkpoints this year. We also got our new "Wish List" from the Johns Hopkins Children's Center. This is where all of the toys and other trinkets that are used for some of the bonus points are sent to. We also have some nice prizes lined up for the winners this year. And even if you don't win, there are still plenty of nice things that are being planned for all of the riders. The Mason Dixon 20-20 will be based in York, PA on Memorial Day weekend. For more information, including how to register, go to: http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ If you have any additional questions, feel free to e-mail me, on or off list. Louis Caplan ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 08:12:53 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:12:33 EST Subject: Re: dirt bike helmet vs street helmet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/1/2002 4:41:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > Hmm.. so a dirt bike helmet might be a nice summer heat compromise? Maybe but... see below. > not to mention the dirtbike helmet has a sun visor type of deal much > like a ball cap. Problem is that visor tends to lift at highway speeds, I would try to find one and take a test ride before purchasing one. How much it lifts will depend on your bike (windshield height etc.) and speed. The chin bar is usually not as strong as the bar on a street lid due to its being full of holes. Also the bar being further out would have more leverage against the neck in a face plant crash, a potential problem. Worth a try though, and since I have one (DOT? I will have to check) I may try myself. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 08:19:31 2002 From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Timeline Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:18:39 -0500 peeeshaa! Back in 64' we had banana seats and ape hangers on our bicycles... If your pedal rubber wore out you replaced it with rubber hose or fuel line... plus we used to take steel roller skates (they came apart for a front and rear section) nailed the half's to a 2x4 and you had a skateboard. Dern... I remember watching Flipper (in COLOR) on the neighbors television... why? They had the only color T.V. on the street! All of this pre-dates the Brady Bunch by a solid 8 years. >plus the bannana seat on the vfr is ugly to anyone who didn't grow up >watching the brady bunch! From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 08:21:11 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:21:01 EST Subject: Re: re City Riding Strategies - braking thread To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/1/2002 6:41:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > Just remember this - when that strato-lounger comes bouncing off > the pickup in front of you on the beltway, You only think you are kidding, I have come up on one in the middle of a freeway. In this case I swerved, which should NEVER be combined with braking. Hee Hee. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 09:10:36 2002 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 09:08:48 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: "Bruhl, George LT" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Timeline `64? You're a young `un! Back in my day 3-speed English bikes were the razz. My thang was boats. They were made of wood, fiberglass was too new and the integrity suspect. I was 11 when I made my first solo voyage. In modern times my parents would been arrested for child endangerment! By the time I was 14 I was on my second boat and fourth outboard, a modified Mercury that enabled me to gleefully outrun the water police. My folks didn't own a TV until I was a senior in high school. Every Wednesday night I hiked through the swampy woods to watch Disney with at a nieghbor girl's house. I learned to hate commercials `cause she wanted to wrestle and practice ... um, kissing. Hey, I was like12, girls were still kinda icky. Thank goodness I grew out of that :-) Bill older than dirt Bruhl, George LT wrote: > peeeshaa! Back in 64' we had banana seats and ape hangers on our > bicycles... If your pedal rubber wore out you replaced it with rubber hose > or fuel line... plus we used to take steel roller skates (they came apart > for a front and rear section) nailed the half's to a 2x4 and you had a > skateboard. Dern... I remember watching Flipper (in COLOR) on the > neighbors television... why? They had the only color T.V. on the street! > > All of this pre-dates the Brady Bunch by a solid 8 years. > > >plus the bannana seat on the vfr is ugly to anyone who didn't grow up > >watching the brady bunch! From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 09:31:56 2002 From: "Rob Keiser" To: George.Cole@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Criswell Opinions...? Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 09:31:47 -0500 Thanks, George, for the Only response. I guess people were turned off by the last subject heading, so I changed it this time. Yes, I'm looking at sales for now, but eventually would like to get into all aspects of the business. A new location, and picking up Honda are in the works, but won't be until a little later in the season, from what they've told me so far. I'll go into more later if I take the position and learn anything new. So, for the rest of the list....any opinions on Criswell Power Sports? Anything, anyone... "Anyone....anyone...Bueller...Bueller???" Thanks. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: bloody salesmen Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 12:22:36 -0600 >>> "Rob Keiser" wrote SNIP >was wondering what the list impression is of Criswell Power Sports in Gaithersburg. I have been up there a few times, I thought they were supposed to move into a new location and have a multi-vendor dealership. From what I have seen at their current location, behind all the Criswell car dealerships, there are never any customers looking at or buying bikes when I have been there and they have virtually no accessories dept, and all the bikes are packed in a very small space. I have heard that Criswell is a good organization, but since it is mainly a car dealership business I would wonder about the "car business" mentality. Are you looking for a sales job there? if that's the case and they are staying in that location I wouldn't do it. Besides you need to sell Honda's George _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 09:34:29 2002 Subject: Bike Night reminder From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:34:27 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Just a reminder that we're doing an informal, early season Bike Night at Uncle Jed's in Bethesda, MD this Sunday, April 7th, 6pm to whenever. As with all the other Bike Nights at Uncle Jed's, Lisa Goddard gets all the credit for organizing. No parking lot and no special reserved m/c parking. But there should be plenty of on-street parking right out in front of Uncle Jed's. If not, there are parking lots just a block or two away. Whatever you do, don't park in any of the parking lots belonging to other businesses/offices -- THEY WILL TOW! Details and info at http://www.geocities.com/bikenight -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 09:52:06 2002 From: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 09:51:42 -0500 Subject: RE: Ride This Weekend? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX A ride this weekend should be a treat, please let me know if something gets organized... As for before then, I'm going to take a lunch time ride today and enjoy what seems to be the best riding day of the season (so far). Any suggestions for good hour to hour and a half rides originating in downtown DC? Didn't see anything posted on the DCC site. Thanks and enjoy the weather, Mike From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 09:53:06 2002 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 06:46:23 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: re: Ducati 996 To: Sanath S , sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Sanath S wrote: > Hi Tom, > > > > > >actually, as bad as my experience was, i'd still buy > >another. very wierd what these beautiful machines do to > >one's thought processes.... > > > >just thought of something: are the rocker arms a problem > on > >the '01 model? if so, he should be very careful to stay > on > >top of that issue.... > > > > What sort of bad experience did you have? Where they also > expensive > experiences? I am well aware that Ducatis are not the > easiest bikes to live > with, so I am prepared for some pain. Please tell me more > about the rocker > arms. Is there something in particular I should look for? i've gone through 3 sets of front rotors, 2 rear brake pumps (master cyls.), a rear caliper, an ECU, and rocker arms and cams (see below).... i thought the rear braking problem had been fixed with a new caliper, but it's failing again. according to the records at battleys, braking problems on these bikes are relatively rare. of course i end up with the bad apple.... you should do a search on the web for "ducati 996" and "rocker arms". or pick up the issue of motorcycle consumer news that discusses the problem. AHEM! mr. patton!... without getting into too much detail (because i'm no mechanic), the chrome coating of the rocker arms is far too weak/thin, and in many instances (including mine) it eventually flakes off one or all of them, destroying the cams in the process. ducati had/has been replacing damaged rocker arms with IDENTICAL parts, meaning the problem hasn't been solved, but merely postponed. > I am going over to the dealer in about 8 hours, cant wait > :-) > > Sanath i'm jealous (my 2000 isn't quite "new" anymore). tip: i think you should aim at least $500 below what you think is a low offer. the 996 won't move off that floor very quickly with 998s sitting nearby, so you've got some leverage.... good luck -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 10:06:34 2002 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:06:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Ride This Weekend? From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Tuesday, April 2, 2002, at 12:15 , Anita L. wrote: > Hmm.. am I allowed to post about riding on this list? :-) What the hell is wrong with you!?!? Nobody on this list rides! Geeze. What were you thinking? :P Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 10:09:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g32F9je04190 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:09:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020402150944.30717.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 07:09:44 PST Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:09:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: bloody salesmen To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020401203145.91940.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: > Tom Gimer opined: > > in any event, its a cbr600. there ain't a more user > > friendly bike on the market. > > Like hell! User friendly to you or anybody else who just > so happens to > be used to riding a 100HP missile purhaps, and has > considerable riding > experience under the belt. Maybe you were weaned on 60HP > bikes when you > were five but really Tom, how much have you rubbed > shoulders with > people not even taking their first steps in the area of > motorized 2 > wheeled transport? I do and by the dozens. i've helped a number of entry-level riders learn to ride over the past 15 years. the latest was an absolute newbie who purchased a '98 cbr900rr as his FIRST bike in 2000. 12k miles later, he's still respecting the bike and still upright because of it. a 16 year old kid is one thing, a 30+ year old woman is another. my money is on the older woman having the maturity to properly learn to ride and respect the machine. i just figured out why you felt the need to intervene! you're a part-time motorcycle instructor, hangin around the dealership looking to educate the foolish masses. can't believe i forgot at that angle.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 10:17:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32FHEe04382 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0GTY000015408M@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:16:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp05.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.53]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GTY00L9Q5028X@XXXXXX>; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:16:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp05.wcomnet.com by pmismtp05.wcomnet.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GTY0020151KJH@XXXXXX>; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:15:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.36]) by pmismtp05.wcomnet.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GTY00FCO51N0O@XXXXXX>; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:15:23 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 10:15:11 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Mason Dixon 20-20 deadline coming up... To: "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: DC-Cycles Message-id: <3CA9CAFF.41131EF@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020402123219.77182.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > There was a little bit of chest thumping before, the direct quote is "any time > poserboy, you and me! i may have been nursing a damaged bike, but at least i > RAN the MD2020!" (DC-Cycles, 13 Mar 02) Yet I don't see the challenger's name > in the list of registered riders; the challenged one has been registered for a > while. :) Hmm, maybe we've identified Racer X? :) > Dale Horstman kept volunteering to find a few high value bonuses for us, > but we thought he might just be trying to get a head start on the competition. Who, me? > Also, there will be no checkpoints this year. Interesting. That really opens up the routing options. > The Mason Dixon 20-20 will be based in York, PA on Memorial Day weekend. For > more information, including how to register, go to: > http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ I highly, highly recommend this rally for anyone considering endurance riding. It can be as challenging or as simple as you want it to be, and the RallyBubbas put on a first class event their first time out last year. I can't wait for the end of May. This is gonna be fun. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 10:36:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g32FaKe04779 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:36:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020402153617.37960.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 07:36:17 PST Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:36:17 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: re City Riding Strategies - braking thread To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5gnhau8a8d7en7h0crtqk3neg6ud7rqmlp@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Who here recommends that you put two fingers over the > front brake > while your'e on the gas? > > Who here recommends that you cover the brake only after > you are > off the gas? i'm pretty sure i have 1-2 fingers covering the front brake at almost all times. can't think of when i don't.... i involuntarily cover teh clutch about 75 percent of the time. still trying to train my brain to get past this.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 10:50:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g32FoBe05051 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:50:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020402155011.71346.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 07:50:11 PST Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:50:11 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: bloody salesmen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > The good thing about motorcycles is that the riders > that do stupid > things are the ones who are subject to the > consequences. No law > needed, darwins law is in effect and can't be > rescinded. But the bad thing is that, for every teenager who totals his R1 on the first day of ownership, my insurance is affected. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 10:54:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32FsWe05079 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:54:32 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYCCPO5XH76+F6m+l6QN7DodvWmUQMhlCOAil1dvfNEjFUvxjIqYmFeKEbXCAagUek= Received: from [204.245.128.130] (helo=jstrang) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16sQcB-0006je-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 10:54:31 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE:clutch - braking thread Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:54:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020402153617.37960.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 I think the dirt-bike trained are very guilty of this. You can't ride a 125cc (or even a 250) 2-stroke fast without clutch coverage (and constant clutch work). --jon 01 Suz Bandit 1200 > -----Tom Gimer wrote: > > i involuntarily cover teh clutch about 75 percent of the > time. still trying to train my brain to get past this.... > > > > -- > tg From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 10:54:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g32Fsle05089 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:54:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020402155446.71097.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 07:54:46 PST Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:54:46 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: Chain tightening To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I sent the guy a private email about why chains tighten when you tighten the axle nut, but I will tell the group since it doesn't seem to be common knowledge. Manufacturers, particulary Suzuki, tend to make the swingarms a little wider than necessary so you can slide the rear wheel in easily. When you tighten the axle nut, you bend the swingarm in, which pushed the axle, tire, and thus chain, farther back. --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I hate that when you set the chain right, and > tighten the axle and > lose slack. > > Anyway his bike is a 00 model. I have a 00 model. > Mine has 2100 > miles on it and I just changed my chain. (wish > someone woudla told me > they can be expected to last till 30k, oh well > atleast i got > confidence in my new chain). > > So anyway, maybe his chain is stretched. How many > miles do you have > on it? > > What's probably most likely is that, and apparent, > is that he's not > using the proper tightening technique. I'd go into > detail but it's > already covered I see. > > > Danny __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 10:59:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g32FxOe05197 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:59:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020402155923.47870.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 07:59:23 PST Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:59:23 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: bloody salesmen To: stephen cutchins , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020402155011.71346.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- stephen cutchins wrote: > > The good thing about motorcycles is that the riders > > that do stupid > > things are the ones who are subject to the > > consequences. No law > > needed, darwins law is in effect and can't be > > rescinded. > > But the bad thing is that, for every teenager who > totals his R1 on the first day of ownership, my > insurance is affected. i didn't know you were a teenaged r1 owner..... for every teenager who totals his r1 on the first day of ownership, i bet my rates decrease (by a negligible amount the following year). paging mr. harris....mr. stephen harris -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 11:06:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32G61e05420 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-43-135.s897.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.43.135] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16sQnI-0001DJ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 11:06:00 -0500 Message-ID: <029201c1da60$7054b640$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <20020402155446.71097.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Chain tightening Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:06:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Ah, yet more proof of the superiority of the single-sided swingarm... Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen cutchins" > > Manufacturers, particulary Suzuki, tend to make the > swingarms a little wider than necessary so you can > slide the rear wheel in easily. When you tighten the > axle nut, you bend the swingarm in, which pushed the > axle, tire, and thus chain, farther back. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 11:17:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from laundry.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32GH8e05617 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from odinseat.annapurna.com (dhcp-3.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.243]) by laundry.annapurna.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g32GElo91077 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:14:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rob@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020402111217.037b2008@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 11:15:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: wreck on 14th St Bridge? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed One of my co-workers rode by what looked like the wreck of a big yellow sportbike on the 14th Street Bridge this morning. People standing around, but no evidence of a rider still there. Lots of little bits of plastic all over the place. Anyone know any more about this? /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 11:35:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32GZme05976 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:35:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w040 ([168.144.108.40]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:35:46 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE:clutch - braking thread Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:35:46 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2002 16:35:47.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[71280F00:01C1DA64] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g32GZne05977 I missed the beginning of this thread, but I cover the clutch (and brake) ~100% of the time when I am near vertical and/or cruising around in traffic. The only time that I knowlingly don't have either or both covered is when I'm leaned hard over in a turn. Are Gimer and I actually agreeing on something??? The end of the world is near!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 11:47:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32Glme06173 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:47:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0GTY00J019ANZ6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:47:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GTY00J4M9ANL0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:47:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GTY00B019ALJI@XXXXXX>; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:47:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.36]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GTY007JI99ZT5@XXXXXX>; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:46:48 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 11:46:29 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Chain tightening To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3CA9E065.EBF3606E@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020402155446.71097.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> <029201c1da60$7054b640$bb82fea9@palladio1> Paul Wilson wrote: > > Ah, yet more proof of the superiority of the single-sided swingarm... Yep, I have to admit that the single sided swingarm the Beemers use is pretty cool. NASCAR-style rear tire changes, baby! And no chains or sprockets to fart around with. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 12:09:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14601.mail.yahoo.com (web14601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g32H9be06527 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:09:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020402170936.15374.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 09:09:36 PST Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:09:36 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: RE:clutch - braking thread To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > I missed the beginning of this thread, but I cover the > clutch (and brake) ~100% of the time when I am near > vertical and/or cruising around in traffic. The only > time that I knowlingly don't have either or both covered > is when I'm leaned hard over in a turn. > > Are Gimer and I actually agreeing on something??? The > end of the world is near!!! no. my answer is the same whether i'm leaned over or not. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 12:12:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32HCse06624 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-50.s2082.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.50] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16sRq0-0005Dj-00; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 12:12:53 -0500 Message-ID: <037201c1da69$c5647180$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020402155446.71097.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com><029201c1da60$7054b640$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3CA9E065.EBF3606E@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Chain tightening Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:13:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Rear tire changes are so easy on the VFR, un-do five bolts (OK, you do have to take off the exhaust can if it's a low mount) and the tire is free. No axle bolt, spacers and other nonsense to fool with, and no alignment issues. Tire and wheel balancing is a bit harder, unless you have the correct adaptor. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Horstman" To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Chain tightening > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > > Ah, yet more proof of the superiority of the single-sided swingarm... > > Yep, I have to admit that the single sided swingarm > the Beemers use is pretty cool. NASCAR-style rear > tire changes, baby! And no chains or sprockets to > fart around with. :) > > Hork > > -- > Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 12:21:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32HLEe06837 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g32HL7924538; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:21:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:21:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200204021721.g32HL7924538@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE:clutch - braking thread Chuck dared to speak the words of HERESY - > Are Gimer and I actually agreeing on something??? The > end of the world is near!!! A sure sign of the Apocolypse ... ;-) Fortunately, Gimer corrected - no. my answer is the same whether i'm leaned over or not. that was close... ;-) Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 12:27:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32HRTe06939 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w028 ([168.144.108.28]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:27:29 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: RE:clutch - braking thread Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:27:29 -0500 To: "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2002 17:27:29.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA271B50:01C1DA6B] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g32HRUe06940 For the record, I probably (unconsciously) cover the clutch/brake when I'm leaned over moderately. Certainly when I'm "street riding." And even when I'm out in "real world" twisties. But if I'm hanging off and trying to lay down a sparkie trail, I'm guessing I've got all four fingers wrapped around the grips (but can't confirm since I've never bothered to look!) Original Message: ----------------- From: Tom Gimer t_gimer@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:09:36 -0800 (PST) To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE:clutch - braking thread --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > I missed the beginning of this thread, but I cover the > clutch (and brake) ~100% of the time when I am near > vertical and/or cruising around in traffic. The only > time that I knowlingly don't have either or both covered > is when I'm leaned hard over in a turn. > > Are Gimer and I actually agreeing on something??? The > end of the world is near!!! no. my answer is the same whether i'm leaned over or not. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 12:30:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32HU2e07039 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:30:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0GTY00B01B6EHZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:27:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GTY00A5NB6EZT@XXXXXX>; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:27:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GTY00J01B658O@XXXXXX>; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:27:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.36]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GTY00H92B5YOJ@XXXXXX>; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:27:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 12:27:16 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Chain tightening To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles list Message-id: <3CA9E9F4.C18C3E3@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020402155446.71097.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> <029201c1da60$7054b640$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3CA9E065.EBF3606E@XXXXXX> <037201c1da69$c5647180$bb82fea9@palladio1> Paul Wilson wrote: > > Rear tire changes are so easy on the VFR, un-do five bolts (OK, you do have > to take off the exhaust can if it's a low mount) and the tire is free. I'd love to see a similar set-up on the front, as well. Hasn't someone come up with a work-able single-sided front control arm yet? It's about time someone did. 10 bolts, 2 wheels free, no brake disks getting in the way, oh baby. > Tire and wheel balancing is a bit harder, unless you have the correct > adaptor. What is this "balancing" of which you speak? Line up the dot on the tire with the valve stem, and it's close enough for everyone this side of club racing. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 12:48:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11103.mail.yahoo.com (web11103.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g32HmKe07326 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:48:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020402174820.91953.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 09:48:20 PST Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:48:20 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Single Sided Fork (was: Chain tightening) To: dccycles In-Reply-To: <3CA9E9F4.C18C3E3@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, I think the GTS1000 had that, didn't it? I would think the only logistical problem is if you want better braking, you have difficulty mounting a second brake disk. I suspect that's why the Honda concept bike "NAS" aka "Xaxis" has a rim-mounted brake disk. Chris Weaver --- Dale Horstman wrote: > I'd love to see a similar set-up on the front, as > well. Hasn't > someone come up with a work-able single-sided front > control arm > yet? It's about time someone did. 10 bolts, 2 > wheels free, no > brake disks getting in the way, oh baby. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 12:55:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32Htre07427 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-41-114.s368.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.114] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16sSVb-0004OC-00; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 12:55:52 -0500 Message-ID: <040f01c1da6f$c3d49b00$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020402155446.71097.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com><029201c1da60$7054b640$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3CA9E065.EBF3606E@comcast.net><037201c1da69$c5647180$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3CA9E9F4.C18C3E3@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Chain tightening Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:44:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 SS Front Fork: Was it not tried by Yamaha and rejected by the "motorcycling public," whoever those people are. I've yet to meet them. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Horstman" > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > > Rear tire changes are so easy on the VFR, un-do five bolts (OK, you do have > > to take off the exhaust can if it's a low mount) and the tire is free. > > I'd love to see a similar set-up on the front, as well. Hasn't > someone come up with a work-able single-sided front control arm > yet? It's about time someone did. 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And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 13:08:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32I8he07784 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:08:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0GTY00501D2C5S@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:08:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GTY0046RD2C7K@XXXXXX>; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:08:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GTY00F01D22OE@XXXXXX>; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:08:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.36]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GTY00F1YD1YDW@XXXXXX>; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:08:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 13:08:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Chain tightening To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles list Message-id: <3CA9F384.2C134A82@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020402155446.71097.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> <029201c1da60$7054b640$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3CA9E065.EBF3606E@XXXXXX> <037201c1da69$c5647180$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3CA9E9F4.C18C3E3@XXXXXX> <040f01c1da6f$c3d49b00$bb82fea9@palladio1> Paul Wilson wrote: > > SS Front Fork: Was it not tried by Yamaha and rejected by the "motorcycling > public," whoever those people are. I've yet to meet them. Nah, it was rejected because it was a serious sport-touring bike that was handicapped by having a chain and sprockets. Damned shame, as it was quite an interesting bike otherwise. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 13:20:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32IKle08050 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:20:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w092.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.92]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:20:46 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Single Sided Fork (was: Chain tightening) Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:20:46 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2002 18:20:46.0897 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C007210:01C1DA73] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g32IKne08051 I also seem to recall reading about (in Brit m/c mags, I think) about center hub or hub steering (or something like that) motorcycles that essentially had swingarms at both ends. Funky, but in a cool way. Original Message: ----------------- From: Chris Weaver chris_vtr@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:48:20 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Single Sided Fork (was: Chain tightening) Yeah, I think the GTS1000 had that, didn't it? I would think the only logistical problem is if you want better braking, you have difficulty mounting a second brake disk. I suspect that's why the Honda concept bike "NAS" aka "Xaxis" has a rim-mounted brake disk. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 13:39:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32IdLe08330 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:39:22 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ5jIISCuFcBp0IUp5Yv6iXernzKFbegkE1WgBWMzWtaCtVk0PyzvFI Received: from [63.123.104.125] (helo=ducman) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16sTBh-0005mK-00; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 13:39:21 -0500 Message-ID: <005c01c1da75$b3647aa0$7d687b3f@ducman> From: "Genna Melamed" To: , References: Subject: Re: Single Sided Fork (was: Chain tightening) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:39:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 There was a Bimota a few years ago that used a "swingarm/shock" setup for front. I believe the idea was to separate front suspension from steering. I have not seen that bike on the street, my guess is because it was WAY too expensive. So I don't know how well it performed. I think there are some concept/limited production bikes out there that still use that. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Genna Melamed Please note that my email is changing to genna@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:20 PM Subject: RE: Single Sided Fork (was: Chain tightening) I also seem to recall reading about (in Brit m/c mags, I think) about center hub or hub steering (or something like that) motorcycles that essentially had swingarms at both ends. Funky, but in a cool way. Original Message: ----------------- From: Chris Weaver chris_vtr@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:48:20 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Single Sided Fork (was: Chain tightening) Yeah, I think the GTS1000 had that, didn't it? I would think the only logistical problem is if you want better braking, you have difficulty mounting a second brake disk. I suspect that's why the Honda concept bike "NAS" aka "Xaxis" has a rim-mounted brake disk. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 14:07:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11107.mail.yahoo.com (web11107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.154]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g32J7te08829 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:07:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020402190755.73933.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 11:07:55 PST Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:07:55 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Single Sided Fork (was: Chain tightening) To: dccycles In-Reply-To: <005c01c1da75$b3647aa0$7d687b3f@ducman> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That was the Bimota Tesi, of which there were apparently a couple of versions. There's the ES on this page: http://www.burningart.com/meico/motoproto/tesi.html and I recall a 1D model I think. Chris Weaver --- Genna Melamed wrote: > There was a Bimota a few years ago that used a > "swingarm/shock" setup for > front. > > I believe the idea was to separate front suspension > from steering. > > I have not seen that bike on the street, my guess is > because it was WAY too > expensive. So I don't know how well it performed. > > I think there are some concept/limited production > bikes out there that still > use that. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Genna Melamed > Please note that my email is changing to > genna@XXXXXX > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:20 PM > Subject: RE: Single Sided Fork (was: Chain > tightening) > > > I also seem to recall reading about (in Brit m/c > mags, I think) about center > hub or hub steering (or something like that) > motorcycles that essentially > had swingarms at both ends. Funky, but in a cool > way. > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Chris Weaver chris_vtr@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:48:20 -0800 (PST) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Single Sided Fork (was: Chain tightening) > > > Yeah, I think the GTS1000 had that, didn't it? I > would > think the only logistical problem is if you want > better braking, you have difficulty mounting a > second > brake disk. I suspect that's why the Honda concept > bike "NAS" aka "Xaxis" has a rim-mounted brake disk. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > > ################################################################# > ################################################################# > ################################################################# > ##### > ##### > ##### > ################################################################# > ################################################################# > ################################################################# __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 14:34:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web9605.mail.yahoo.com (web9605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.184]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g32JYRe09260 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:34:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020402193426.37343.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [134.173.160.30] by web9605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 11:34:26 PST Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:34:26 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: Criswell Opinions...? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, you asked for "anything" so here goes: While spending a summer working at Coleman/Powerride, I knew a mechanic who left Powerride after a series of overtime pay disputes. He subsequently went to work at Criswell. Two or three weeks later he was back at Powerride. Unfortunately, I don't know the exact reason for why he returned. Still, it's very interesting that a mechanic would want to leave Criswell and return to Coleman/Powerride after such a short stay. Adam Reinhardt 89 CBR 92 GS 500 (until g/f finishes MSF) > > From: "George Cole" > To: , > > Subject: Re: bloody salesmen > Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 12:22:36 -0600 > > > >>> "Rob Keiser" wrote SNIP > > >was wondering what the list impression is of > Criswell Power Sports in > Gaithersburg. > > I have been up there a few times, I thought they > were supposed to move into > a new location and have a multi-vendor dealership. > From what I have seen at > their current location, behind all the Criswell car > dealerships, there are > never any customers looking at or buying bikes when > I have been there and > they have virtually no accessories dept, and all the > bikes are packed in a > very small space. > > I have heard that Criswell is a good organization, > but since it is mainly a > car dealership business I would wonder about the > "car business" mentality. > > Are you looking for a sales job there? if that's the > case and they are > staying in that location I wouldn't do it. > > Besides you need to sell Honda's > > George > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 14:48:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g32Jm4e09526 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:48:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020402194802.5082.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 11:48:02 PST Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:48:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: RE: RE:clutch - braking thread To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > For the record, I probably (unconsciously) cover the > clutch/brake when I'm leaned over moderately. Certainly > when I'm "street riding." And even when I'm out in "real > world" twisties. But if I'm hanging off and trying to > lay down a sparkie trail, I'm guessing I've got all four > fingers wrapped around the grips (but can't confirm since > I've never bothered to look!) if your goal is to lay down a "sparkie trail," consider resisting the urge to hang off -- tg (no sparkie trails from 996 unless bike sliding on pavement) > --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" > wrote: > > I missed the beginning of this thread, but I cover the > > clutch (and brake) ~100% of the time when I am near > > vertical and/or cruising around in traffic. The only > > time that I knowlingly don't have either or both > covered > > is when I'm leaned hard over in a turn. > > > > Are Gimer and I actually agreeing on something??? The > > end of the world is near!!! > > no. my answer is the same whether i'm leaned over or > not. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 14:58:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32Jw8e09729 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w044 ([168.144.108.44]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:58:07 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE:clutch - braking thread Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:58:07 -0500 To: "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2002 19:58:07.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[B564B670:01C1DA80] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g32Jw9e09730 Ah, TG ... You mistakenly assume that I wish to send up a shower of sparkies using the hard parts of my m/c ... NOT! Sparkie sliders, dude ... wahoo! Original Message: if your goal is to lay down a "sparkie trail," consider resisting the urge to hang off -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 15:03:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32K31e09841 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:03:01 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaYYMJqyzHuyPnfXBFR+ZJmcmcI1WKgQ6BejtZmD3rGl8QO9djLaR+HSdVSEYJRW5E= Received: from [204.245.128.130] (helo=jstrang) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16sUUe-0001qE-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:03:00 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE:clutch - braking thread Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:02:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 tg has been riding with a Bandito...he's used to seeing sparks from the hard metal parts on my bike. --jon 01 Suz Bandit 1200 > -----Original Message----- > From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 2:58 PM > To: t_gimer@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE:clutch - braking thread > > > Ah, TG ... You mistakenly assume that I wish to send up a shower > of sparkies using the hard parts of my m/c ... NOT! Sparkie > sliders, dude ... wahoo! > > Original Message: > > if your goal is to lay down a "sparkie trail," consider > resisting the urge to hang off > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 15:24:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32KO6e10206 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) id <0GTY00E01JBJT7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:23:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GTY00CJ4JBJSI@XXXXXX>; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 20:23:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GTY00A01JB4W7@XXXXXX>; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 20:23:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.36]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GTY006LDJB2R3@XXXXXX>; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 20:23:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:23:08 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: clutch - braking thread To: Tom Gimer Cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Message-id: <3CAA132C.70F40F6D@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020402194802.5082.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Tom Gimer wrote: > if your goal is to lay down a "sparkie trail," consider > resisting the urge to hang off I can lay down a "sparkie trail" just by pushing down the centerstand tang with my foot while moving. It's pretty effective at scaring off tailgaters at night. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 15:31:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14610.mail.yahoo.com (web14610.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.242]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g32KVMe10431 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:31:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020402203121.52307.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 12:31:21 PST Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:31:21 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE:clutch - braking thread To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jon Strang wrote: > tg has been riding with a Bandito...he's used to seeing > sparks from the hard > metal parts on my bike. correct. i don't ride with folks who drag their knees on the pavement simply for visual effects. -- tg > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX > [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 2:58 PM > > To: t_gimer@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE:clutch - braking thread > > > > > > Ah, TG ... You mistakenly assume that I wish to send up > a shower > > of sparkies using the hard parts of my m/c ... NOT! > Sparkie > > sliders, dude ... wahoo! > > > > Original Message: > > > > if your goal is to lay down a "sparkie trail," consider > > resisting the urge to hang off __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 16:10:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32LAGe10999 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w054 ([168.144.108.54]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:10:15 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE:clutch - braking thread Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:10:15 -0500 To: "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2002 21:10:15.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[C91FC8D0:01C1DA8A] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g32LARe11000 You are no fun! %^) Original Message: ----------------- correct. i don't ride with folks who drag their knees on the pavement simply for visual effects. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 16:20:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11102.mail.yahoo.com (web11102.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.149]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g32LK6e11264 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:20:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020402212006.30627.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 13:20:06 PST Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:20:06 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE:clutch - braking thread To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020402203121.52307.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You must be one of those "elite" bikers! I really wish I could meet you and shake your hand! Your strict moral code* is awe-inspring. You don't clutter up your life with trite, overused emotions such as good humor or joie de vivre. You live the somber, devoted, self-flaggelating existence of the ultimate hardcore sportbiker. Your overwhelming humility is also admirable to the masses. I wish I could be you. Chris Weaver *I almost kept a straight face as I typed that phrase. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > correct. i don't ride with folks who drag their > knees on > the pavement simply for visual effects. > -- > tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 16:20:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.wheatintl.com ([209.120.170.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32LKie11277 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:20:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client94.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.94]) by smtp.wheatintl.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g32LKcO25154 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:20:38 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020402161931.02385450@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:20:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Lucky Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Forgot to mention my lucky morning. Came around backroad Clifton corner (Newman Rd. for those that know) to face Mr. Officer and his radar gun. 49/35. Slow down and have a nice day. Gotta love bike cops ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 17:03:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14609.mail.yahoo.com (web14609.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g32M3ge12031 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:03:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020402220341.203.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:03:41 PST Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:03:41 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE:clutch - braking thread To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020402212006.30627.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Weaver wrote: > You must be one of those "elite" bikers! I really wish > I could meet you and shake your hand! i'm in bethesda, and happily give out handshakes during my lunch break (~1pm-115pm) > Your strict moral code* is awe-inspring. You don't > clutter up your life with trite, overused emotions > such as good humor or joie de vivre. You live the > somber, devoted, self-flaggelating existence of the > ultimate hardcore sportbiker. sorry. you've got me mixed up with someone who DOESN'T spend 60+ hours per week in the office.... email certainly has a way of masking the true identity/character of the writer.... i would suggest to you that i'm nothing like you've described. in fact, i think you know better--> that most of these exchanges are in the spirit of humor.... > Your overwhelming humility is also admirable to the > masses. I wish I could be you. again, sorry. you're stuck with what you've got....and last i heard it was head-over-heels love! some people are never satisfied..... -- tg > Chris Weaver > > *I almost kept a straight face as I typed that phrase. > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > correct. i don't ride with folks who drag their > > knees on > > the pavement simply for visual effects. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 17:20:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32MK9e12350 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-231.washdc3.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.184.231] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16sWdG-00030a-00; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:20:02 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020402171646.00b022c8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:21:18 -0500 To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: RE:clutch - braking thread In-Reply-To: <20020402212006.30627.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020402203121.52307.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:20 PM 4/2/2002, Chris Weaver wrote: >.... You live the somber, devoted, self-flaggelating existence .... Injecting self-flaggelation into dc-cycles? What's next -- booze? Chris, you're supposed to have put all those concepts behind you. 'Tis the high road from now on, bucko. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 17:20:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32MKNe12360 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GTY00801OPSA0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:20:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GTY004KVOPSJW@XXXXXX>; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 22:20:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GTY00401OPN63@XXXXXX>; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 22:20:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.36]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GTY00MLNOPAJI@XXXXXX>; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 22:19:59 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:19:40 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Lucky To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3CAA2E7C.63AEF40@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020402161931.02385450@mail.wheatintl.com> Troutman wrote: > > Forgot to mention my lucky morning. Came around backroad Clifton corner > (Newman Rd. for those that know) to face Mr. Officer and his radar > gun. 49/35. Slow down and have a nice day. Gotta love bike cops ;-) Wow. I've occasionally seen cops standing at the stopsign intersection in Clifton checking county stickers and such, but I've never seen one running radar. It's cool that he let you go. Gonna head that way shortly. Ahh, the commute beckons! :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 17:21:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32MLOe12380 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:21:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Lucky/City Riding Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:21:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Last night I was going down 15th St towards Constitution and it's pretty much a parking lot with a lot of room on the right. The turn lane to E St doesn't really exist any more and after that there's vendors parked in the right hand lane right against the curb, leaving a decent amount of room behind them. I usually ride there. I turned off G onto 15th and promptly got behind a bicycle policeman riding down the right hand side. He seemed to have no problem with me tailing him. He stopped at E St to talk to his fellow officers. I continue down. I get to the end where the right turn lane starts. At this point I usually go inbetween it and the 2nd to right hand lane and make a right on red. When I get there the car to my left doesn't want me getting in front of him, I can tell this by the way he's inching up. So I look at him. He's starring at me from his white Lumina/Corisca he then proceeds to flip down his passengers sun visor to show me the RED & BLUE lights hidden underneath. He pointed for me to get in front of him/in line. He was wearing a tie. I don't think he was a police officer, I think he was one of the dozens of organizations that gets lights for there cars in the city, I didn't get a look at his plates. The light turned green and I waited to see if he wanted to go first he waved me on, so I proceeded. So I guess the authorities don't like lane filtering but don't consider it worth there time to punish. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 17:39:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g32Mdle12759 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:39:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA08648 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:39:45 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020402175108.0426671c@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:51:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Criswell Opinions...? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:31 AM 4/2/02 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks, George, for the Only response. I guess people were turned off by >the last subject heading, so I changed it this time. > >Yes, I'm looking at sales for now, but eventually would like to get into all >aspects of the business. > >A new location, and picking up Honda are in the works, but won't be until a >little later in the season, from what they've told me so far. I'll go into >more later if I take the position and learn anything new. > >So, for the rest of the list....any opinions on Criswell Power Sports? >Anything, anyone... > > "Anyone....anyone...Bueller...Bueller???" I stopped in there once. They were nice guys and reasonably helpful (not as helpful as the cute girl at Cycles USA, but I digress ;-) Anyway, I think it would be tough to sell any bikes there, due to the very small area where you'll be forced to work. When I talked to the mgr, he said something about 3-4 months (this was Feb) until they move to their big location in Germantown. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 19:20:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g330K8e14498 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:20:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from fredg7yxzzfv8e (pcp01582514pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [68.48.144.3]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with SMTP id <0GTY00BF8U9904@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:19:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:20:51 -0500 From: Lisa Goddard Subject: re: bloody salesmen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 22:20:53 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: bloody salesmen I was in Clinton Cycles to pick up a couple dollars worth of parts on Sat (snip) "Now here is a Kawi EX500, and a couple on down is a Suzuki GS500e. They are far better bikes on which to learn and are very popular with women and my students for their riding characteristics and low seat height. I would put them at the top of your list." Yes, the EX500 is a good and popular bike for women but I tend to warn other women away from it. I had and EX500 and found that it was a little too top-heavy. I moved on to a ZX-6 after the EX and had a much easier time with it. Seat height on the ZX is much lower and thus it is an easier bike to manuever. On more than one occasion I had a parking lot gravity related issue with the EX but never had any problems with the ZX. I am 5.5 feet tall and would suggest the ZX-6 for anyone with comparable height. Lisa Goddard '95 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 21:14:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g332Ere16134 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:14:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-209.244.224.176.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([209.244.224.176]) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16saIL-0000zX-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:14:42 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:11:26 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Thomas Jordan Subject: Allsports GP coupons.. Someone may be interested... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I was approached by some sales weenies today while I was at work.. They were selling coupons for Allsports GP.. $39.99 gets you three free "arrive and drive" sessions, and 8 "but 1 get 1" coupons. I was told that the buy1get1 coupons could be used for arrive&drive, sprint, whatever... If any of you are interested, call 571-245-9507 and leave a message for Tony... -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 21:17:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g332HBe16214 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-64.157.49.132.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([64.157.49.132] helo=ix.netcom.com) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16saKV-0001m0-00; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 21:16:55 -0500 Message-ID: <3CAA62CA.7080906@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 21:02:50 -0500 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: clutch - braking thread References: <20020402220341.203.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TG, We all know you are the epitomy of the ultimate real world sportbiker. We are in awe of your superior abilities. Your place in the hall of fame is assured. We are ever so grateful that you deign to grace this list with your wit and wisdom. ... NOT! Lighten up, dude. Get a life. You are so tight assed, I don't know how you manage to always stick your head so far up it. Hopefully, you'll decide to pull your head out and come up for air to join us for Bike Night in Bethesda on Sunday. Maybe you can even give out handshakes. And yes, we all know who you are ... a cretin of the first order. Feel the love, man! %^) CP Tom Gimer wrote: > email certainly has a way of masking the true > identity/character of the writer.... i would suggest to > you that i'm nothing like you've described. in fact, i > think you know better--> that most of these exchanges are > in the spirit of humor.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 21:36:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from stmpy-3.cais.net (stmpy-3.cais.net [205.252.14.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g332aYe16550 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (193.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.193]) by stmpy-3.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g332aXs97611 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:36:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <013f01c1dab0$729ee600$ed38e2cf@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Air Hose Revenge / Battley's compliment Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:39:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Some may recall my groaning about the growing plethora of "straight in" air hoses at service stations -- their inability to fit my bike's valves because of limited clearance between the valves and brake rotor/drum without a potentially damaging bending of the valve. Last weekend I made an annual spring wandering to Battley's and, easing by Parts, happened to inquire about a cure (short of permanently angled stems): Probably an angle fitting for use only at pressure-taking or filling. After a false start (wrong part recommended and ordered by someone else), today Alex in parts took some time in the catalogs and buttonholed an associate who eventually said "why not try a tire dealer" and mentioned Bruce Tire (in the indus park with the video store at the light before Battleys). Done. After many tire-filling headaches, I now have a little bent extender that temporarily screws on and does the job (it has an internal "centerpoint depresser"). Informally called a "Dually truck valve extension" at $7.30. Chances are any tire dealer or possibly Trak. So. Kudos to me, Alex who took the problem to heart, and fie on straight hoses. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> Happy. That hurts when my stems get bent. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 22:03:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f26.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.26]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3333Ie16936 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:03:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:03:11 -0800 Received: from 68.48.112.10 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 03:03:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.48.112.10] From: "Rob Keiser" To: pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain tightening Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 22:03:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2002 03:03:11.0943 (UTC) FILETIME=[171AE570:01C1DABC] hehehe :) YES! Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Paul Wilson" To: Subject: Re: Chain tightening Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:06:16 -0500 Ah, yet more proof of the superiority of the single-sided swingarm... Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen cutchins" > > Manufacturers, particulary Suzuki, tend to make the > swingarms a little wider than necessary so you can > slide the rear wheel in easily. When you tighten the > axle nut, you bend the swingarm in, which pushed the > axle, tire, and thus chain, farther back. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 22:06:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3336Ke17024 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-231.washdc3.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.184.231] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16sb6D-00052s-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:06:14 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020402220717.00b11388@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 22:07:30 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Fwd: Re: clutch - braking thread Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >At 09:02 PM 4/2/2002, Chuck wrote: > >>We all know you are the epitomy ... > >Clearly you haven't spent enough time watching the "Ernest Goes to >College" ilk of movies, or you'd know it's the "epitome of excellence." Sniff. > >-- Larry From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 2 22:22:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe22.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g333Mne17285 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:10:56 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [68.50.72.74] From: "Clifford Zigmond" To: , References: Subject: Re: Lucky/City Riding Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:10:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2002 03:10:56.0677 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C1BAD50:01C1DABD] I'm with you all the way. 15th Street has become a complete and total cluster-f&%k since Friday. What gives, all of a sudden traffic is 2x as bad as it was before. And someone flashed their red/blues at me today too. I didn't give it a second thought and kept filtering. If they want me let them come get me. Good luck to them in that traffic. All I can say is, I do it because I CAN. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: Lucky/City Riding > Last night I was going down 15th St towards Constitution and it's pretty > much a parking lot with a lot of room on the right. The turn lane to E St > doesn't really exist any more and after that there's vendors parked in the > right hand lane right against the curb, leaving a decent amount of room > behind them. I usually ride there. I turned off G onto 15th and promptly > got behind a bicycle policeman riding down the right hand side. He seemed > to have no problem with me tailing him. He stopped at E St to talk to his > fellow officers. I continue down. I get to the end where the right turn > lane starts. At this point I usually go inbetween it and the 2nd to right > hand lane and make a right on red. When I get there the car to my left > doesn't want me getting in front of him, I can tell this by the way he's > inching up. So I look at him. He's starring at me from his white > Lumina/Corisca he then proceeds to flip down his passengers sun visor to > show me the RED & BLUE lights hidden underneath. He pointed for me to get > in front of him/in line. He was wearing a tie. I don't think he was a > police officer, I think he was one of the dozens of organizations that gets > lights for there cars in the city, I didn't get a look at his plates. The > light turned green and I waited to see if he wanted to go first he waved me > on, so I proceeded. So I guess the authorities don't like lane filtering > but don't consider it worth there time to punish. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 01:25:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from wbln0014.worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org [138.220.29.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g336PUe19849 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 01:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org (unverified) by wbln0014.worldbank.org (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 01:08:23 -0500 Subject: Mark Walker is Out of the Office From: Mwalker3@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 01:05:01 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 04/03/2002 01:08:23 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I will be out of the office starting 04/01/2002 and will not return until 04/11/2002. I will respond to your message following my return to the office. If the matter is urgent, please contact either Richard Mance (tel: (1)(202) 458-1525), or Judith Ramsay-Williams (tel: (1)(202) 458-5979), who will be able to assist you. Thank you. From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 08:17:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f89.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.89]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33DH4e26284 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:17:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 05:05:26 -0800 Received: from 151.200.109.76 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 13:05:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.76] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MD20-20 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 08:05:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2002 13:05:26.0124 (UTC) FILETIME=[38C15AC0:01C1DB10] From: Dale Horstman "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: >There was a little bit of chest thumping before, the direct quote is "any >time >poserboy, you and me! i may have been nursing a damaged bike, but at least >i >RAN the MD2020!" (DC-Cycles, 13 Mar 02) Yet I don't see the challenger's name >in the list of registered riders; the challenged one has been registered >for a >while. :) Hmm, maybe we've identified Racer X? :) ------------------------------------------------------- Yeah Racer X, get'cher ass on the list! >Also, there will be no checkpoints this year. Interesting. That really opens up the routing options. >The Mason Dixon 20-20 will be based in York, PA on Memorial Day weekend. >For >more information, including how to register, go to: >http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ I highly, highly recommend this rally for anyone considering endurance riding. It can be as challenging or as simple as you want it to be, and the RallyBubbas put on a first class event their first time out last year. I can't wait for the end of May. This is gonna be fun. Hork -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Agreed Dale, However, the ST1100 stays home this year. The Three Amigos will be performing a power shoot-out of Suz-Hond-Kawa 650 bangers for 1000 miles instead. I can't honestly say that "that" will be fun, but it'll give us some serious shake-out time together and with our world travelling steeds before the BIG event. Hope more DC-Cycles types can make this rally. Believe me, you will hate/love and everything in between, and you will be back for more! Todd (Springfield, VA) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 09:03:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11102.mail.yahoo.com (web11102.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.149]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g33E3We26938 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:03:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020403140330.33958.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 06:03:30 PST Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 06:03:30 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE:clutch - braking thread To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020402220341.203.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's not quite it. I simply find you to be an arrogant prick. The fact that this time you were an arrogant prick to Chuck doesn't really make any difference, although I can see how you might have thought so. Chuck can take care of himself. Perhaps you really are friendlier in person. All I have to go on is your comments on this mailing list and they don't paint a pretty picture. Chris Weaver --- Tom Gimer wrote: > high atop > his steed, suddenly appears from the left, entering > the > fray to protect his little bitch> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 09:09:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33E9De27092 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-102-148.s148.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.102.148] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16slRn-0006Ng-00; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:09:12 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c1db19$4a346e60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Clifford Zigmond" , , References: Subject: Re: Lucky/City Riding Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:09:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 The cherry blossoms might have something to do with it. A total mess down that way with all the blossom-addled cagers in town. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford Zigmond" > I'm with you all the way. 15th Street has become a complete and total > cluster-f&%k since Friday. What gives, all of a sudden traffic is 2x as bad > as it was before. And someone flashed their red/blues at me today too. I > didn't give it a second thought and kept filtering. If they want me let > them come get me. Good luck to them in that traffic. All I can say is, I > do it because I CAN. > > Cliff > From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 09:11:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13005.mail.yahoo.com (web13005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g33EBRe27120 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:11:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020403141125.2744.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.130.37] by web13005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 06:11:25 PST Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 06:11:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: MD20-20 To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > However, the ST1100 stays home this year. The Three Amigos will be > performing a power shoot-out of Suz-Hond-Kawa 650 bangers for 1000 miles > instead. Todd, only 1000? Ya got 36 hrs to play with, how about a BunBurner? Put the bike (and your buns) to the test! And for the comment about Racer X, (made by you and Dale), Racer X is already registered. (see http://www.masondixon20-20.org/riders02.htm) Let's call the challenger, oh, I don't know, how about Racer B? Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 09:37:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14610.mail.yahoo.com (web14610.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.242]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g33EbJe27629 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:37:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020403143717.25641.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 06:37:17 PST Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 06:37:17 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE:clutch - braking thread To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020403140330.33958.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Weaver wrote: > That's not quite it. I simply find you to be an > arrogant prick. The fact that this time you were an > arrogant prick to Chuck doesn't really make any > difference, although I can see how you might have > thought so. Chuck can take care of himself. point out to me where i was an arrogant prick, and if you're convincing, i'll happily apologize and slither off until another day. i think what you'll find, upon searching the last few weeks'/months' worth of posting, is that chuck has taken every opportunity to take a cheap shot at me; and i have been fair in my responses. note: if pointing out that i don't ride with folks who drag their knees on the street for kicks qualifies as "arrogant" in your book, then we'll be hopelessly be locked in debate. > Perhaps you really are friendlier in person. All I > have to go on is your comments on this mailing list > and they don't paint a pretty picture. to you, apparently. it may be that you are one of the few who is taking everything i say to heart. > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > high atop > > his steed, suddenly appears from the left, entering > > the > > fray to protect his little bitch> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 09:39:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33EdWe27639 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from C4ZJ911 ([63.220.27.130]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GTZVS501.M31; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:50:29 -0500 Message-ID: <00a501c1db16$380a09f0$6a00a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: , References: Subject: Re: Mark Walker is Out of the Office Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:48:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Here we go again!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:05 AM Subject: Mark Walker is Out of the Office > I will be out of the office starting 04/01/2002 and will not return until > 04/11/2002. > > I will respond to your message following my return to the office. If the matter > is urgent, please contact either Richard Mance (tel: (1)(202) 458-1525), or > Judith Ramsay-Williams (tel: (1)(202) 458-5979), who will be able to assist you. > > Thank you. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 09:41:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13402.mail.yahoo.com (web13402.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g33Efje27682 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:41:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020403144141.58740.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.49.218.221] by web13402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 06:41:41 PST Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 06:41:41 -0800 (PST) From: rdrdr Reply-To: rydin@XXXXXX Subject: RE: photographer To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-904239853-1017844901=:58313" --0-904239853-1017844901=:58313 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey Laura, thanks for the compliments. I'm in Australia and my little sister had me acting as official photographer at her wedding here. 13 rolls of film, mostly black and white, mostly 36 exposures each - nice, but nothing was moving fast at all. MC content: Think I'm gonna rent me something for a day trip this weekend... Niv --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax --0-904239853-1017844901=:58313 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Hey Laura, thanks for the compliments. I'm in Australia and my little sister had me acting as official photographer at her wedding here. 13 rolls of film, mostly black and white, mostly 36 exposures each - nice, but nothing was moving fast at all.

MC content: Think I'm gonna rent me something for a day trip this weekend...

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Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax --0-904239853-1017844901=:58313-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 09:55:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cgds1.osc.uscg.mil (cgds1.osc.uscg.mil [152.121.49.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33Esxe27982 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:54:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqex6.comdt.uscg.mil by CGDS1.osc.uscg.mil with ESMTP; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:56:35 -0500 Received: by hqex6.comdt.uscg.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:54:14 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'alauro@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Weekend Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:53:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Weather permitting (and I haven't really checked beyond Thursday) I'm thinking about a run out 211 to Sperryville turn around and hit 688 to 17, Rt 50 to the ridge up over Weather Mountain, Rt 7 to Snickersville trnpk to 15 @ Gilberts Corners... it's about 110 miles and it's as a leisurely 78 BMW R80/7 can be. Sometimes I go to Madison or up 522 to Front Royal, hit 55 for a spell then 688 to Orlean and back 211 thru Warrenton and over to 28 which puts me close to my garage (Manassas Area). I tend to stick to the Virginia Byway roads. They're not fast, the traffic is moderate, the edges tend to be rotten but the views are good. I do have to change out my petcock and float bowl gaskets. If anyone is interested we could meet at the restaurant on the corner of 29 business and 211 in Warrenton. Geo From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 09:58:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g33EwTe28080 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 6179 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 06:58:17 -0800 Received: from 209.228.32.168 (HELO mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 06:58:17 -0800 X-Sent: 3 Apr 2002 14:58:17 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 06:58:17 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rydin@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: RE: photographer X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 06:58:17 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020403065817.16238.c002-h004.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> rdrdr wrote > >

Hey Laura, thanks for the compliments. We miss you, Niv!!!!! Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 10:01:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cgds1.osc.uscg.mil (cgds1.osc.uscg.mil [152.121.49.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33F19e28196 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:01:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqex6.comdt.uscg.mil by CGDS1.osc.uscg.mil with ESMTP; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:03:08 -0500 Received: by hqex6.comdt.uscg.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:00:47 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'Ricardo Pontes'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Graduated Licensing Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:00:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Japan does it... along with hefty taxes on the larger displacement models. Hence a bunch of people are running Honda 50cc scoots around... with the milk basket bungeed to the little rack on the back. You have to take a riding course of instruction, a written exam and a road test for each level. It does get pricey as you are paying your way up the ladder, not just in courses but in hardware (i.e. the different displacements you are replacing). Sort of like advancing thru martial arts training. We could start a scooter club web site? NOT. >There should be lisences for every size of bike. 50cc, 250, 500, 600, 1000, |>1200+. Gradually getting all the licenses to get to the heavy bikes. every size? 50, 70, 80, 125, 250, 350, 450, 550, 600, 650, 700, 750, 800, 850? 900, 929, 950, 1000, 1100, 1200, 1300. whever else i left out. From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 10:06:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33F6Be28311 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:06:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g33F65q02394; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:06:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:06:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200204031506.g33F65q02394@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE:clutch - braking thread Chris Commented - --- Chris Weaver wrote: > That's not quite it. I simply find you to be an > arrogant prick. To which, Gimer replied - point out to me where i was an arrogant prick, and if you're convincing, i'll happily apologize and slither off until another day. 'Slither' is kind of derogatory ; that is the form of locomotion of snakes, and reptiles which serve a useful purpose in the biosphere. Snakes will leave you alone, if you leave them alone (unless you're a prey animal), and snakes eliminate & eat rodents & vermin... OTOH, lawyers... well, it goes without saying... ;-) i think what you'll find, upon searching the last few weeks'/months' worth of posting, is that chuck has taken every opportunity to take a cheap shot at me; and i have been fair in my responses. I believe most of Chuck's jabs have been suffixed with some form of emoticon, indicating he wasn't serious. OR, it was just an elaborate ruse to fool everyone... who knows.. I rather enjoy when Chuck takes a cheap shot at me ;-) Which is pretty much every mail he writes in response to anything I say ;-) Ah well... back to slaving over a hot keyboard... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 10:09:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.wheatintl.com ([209.120.170.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33F9Xe28349 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client94.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.94]) by smtp.wheatintl.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g33F9RO27762 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:09:27 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020403100837.0221d750@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 10:09:25 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Weekend In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:53 AM 4/3/2002, Bruhl, George LT wrote: >Weather permitting (and I haven't really checked beyond Thursday) I'm >thinking about a run out 211 to Sperryville turn around and hit 688 to 17, >Rt 50 to the ridge up over Weather Mountain, Rt 7 to Snickersville trnpk to >15 @ Gilberts Corners... it's about 110 miles and it's as a leisurely 78 >BMW R80/7 can be. I'm in...made that run last Thursday and the roads are in good shape all around. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 10:30:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g33FU9e28788 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:30:09 -0500 (EST) X-eGroups-Return: ecox@XXXXXX Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2002 15:19:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 15:19:25 -0000 From: "motocox200" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain tightening Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 198.179.158.10 You think the VFR is easy? Try taking the wheel off of a Hawk GT. 2 bolts, and one is the can. EASY! Eben 95 VFR 88 Hawk GT dirt bikes... --- In dc-cycles@y..., "Rob Keiser" wrote: > hehehe :) YES! > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > > > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: > Subject: Re: Chain tightening > Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:06:16 -0500 > > Ah, yet more proof of the superiority of the single-sided swingarm... > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephen cutchins" > > > > Manufacturers, particulary Suzuki, tend to make the > > swingarms a little wider than necessary so you can > > slide the rear wheel in easily. When you tighten the > > axle nut, you bend the swingarm in, which pushed the > > axle, tire, and thus chain, farther back. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 10:32:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14607.mail.yahoo.com (web14607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g33FWGe28808 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:32:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020403153215.26271.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 07:32:15 PST Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 07:32:15 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE:clutch - braking thread To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200204031506.g33F65q02394@atlanta.pop3now.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Chris Commented - > > --- Chris Weaver wrote: > > That's not quite it. I simply find you to be an > > arrogant prick. > > To which, Gimer replied - > > point out to me where i was an arrogant prick, and if > you're convincing, i'll happily apologize and slither off > until another day. > > 'Slither' is kind of derogatory ; that is the > form of > locomotion of snakes, and reptiles which serve a useful > purpose in > the biosphere. Snakes will leave you alone, if you leave > them alone > (unless you're a prey animal), and snakes eliminate & eat > rodents & > vermin... OTOH, lawyers... well, it goes without > saying... ;-) i was being self-flagellating for mr. weaver.... > i think what you'll find, upon > searching the last few weeks'/months' worth of posting, > is > that chuck has taken every opportunity to take a cheap > shot > at me; and i have been fair in my responses. > > > I believe most of Chuck's jabs have been > suffixed with some > form of emoticon, indicating he wasn't serious. OR, it > was just an > elaborate ruse to fool everyone... who knows.. yes, correct....that silly goddamn %^) he uses and i respond each time with only a slightly biting remark.... if i took what chuck was saying personally (please go re-read his last 10 posts to me), i'd be in anger management class. sheesh -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 10:33:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g33FX5e28826 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:33:05 -0500 (EST) X-eGroups-Return: ecox@XXXXXX Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2002 15:24:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 15:24:36 -0000 From: "motocox200" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020403100837.0221d750@mail.troutman.org> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 198.179.158.10 I've done that loop several times and it is a great afternoon ride. If I don't go to Richmond to ride in the dirt, count me in. Eben 95 VFR 88 Hawk Manassas, VA --- In dc-cycles@y..., Troutman wrote: > At 09:53 AM 4/3/2002, Bruhl, George LT wrote: > > >Weather permitting (and I haven't really checked beyond Thursday) I'm > >thinking about a run out 211 to Sperryville turn around and hit 688 to 17, > >Rt 50 to the ridge up over Weather Mountain, Rt 7 to Snickersville trnpk to > >15 @ Gilberts Corners... it's about 110 miles and it's as a leisurely 78 > >BMW R80/7 can be. > > I'm in...made that run last Thursday and the roads are in good shape all > around. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 10:35:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13804.mail.yahoo.com (web13804.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g33FZXe28934 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:35:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020403153532.13729.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 07:35:32 PST Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 07:35:32 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Weekend To: motocox200 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can someone post a more detailed route for this? Thanks --- motocox200 wrote: > I've done that loop several times and it is a great > afternoon ride. > If I don't go to Richmond to ride in the dirt, count > me in. > > Eben > 95 VFR > 88 Hawk > Manassas, VA > > > --- In dc-cycles@y..., Troutman wrote: > > At 09:53 AM 4/3/2002, Bruhl, George LT wrote: > > > > >Weather permitting (and I haven't really checked > beyond Thursday) > I'm > > >thinking about a run out 211 to Sperryville turn > around and hit > 688 to 17, > > >Rt 50 to the ridge up over Weather Mountain, Rt 7 > to Snickersville > trnpk to > > >15 @ Gilberts Corners... it's about 110 miles > and it's as a > leisurely 78 > > >BMW R80/7 can be. > > > > I'm in...made that run last Thursday and the roads > are in good > shape all > > around. > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > > AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 10:36:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f197.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.197]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33FaNe28944 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 07:24:57 -0800 Received: from 64.24.82.186 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 15:24:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.24.82.186] From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: registration in va Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 16:24:57 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2002 15:24:57.0597 (UTC) FILETIME=[B68AC2D0:01C1DB23] i am going to register my bike in VA. Do they ask for proof of residence? i read the website, and they didn't mention anything about residence. Or do I have to get VA driving licence before being able to register the bike there? what kind of proof of residence do they ask for? do i have to have credit card bank bills sent over to my va location? thanks, pierfrancesco _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 10:47:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11505.mail.yahoo.com (web11505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g33Flle29207 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:47:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020403154745.72907.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.47.116.158] by web11505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 07:47:45 PST Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 07:47:45 -0800 (PST) From: Erik Seibold Subject: Good Scenic Rides ?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Now that some great riding weather is coming I was wondering if people could post some detailed routes to ride. I just moved to VA not to long ago. Went on one or two rides out here and what to do more. But I don't know any nice routes. Is there a website for nice rides in VA somewhere ?? Thanks, Erik __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 10:54:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.wheatintl.com ([209.120.170.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33Fspe29304 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client94.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.94]) by smtp.wheatintl.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g33FsjO27995 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:54:45 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020403105417.02353710@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 10:54:42 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Good Scenic Rides ?? In-Reply-To: <20020403154745.72907.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed www.dccycles.com At 10:47 AM 4/3/2002, you wrote: >Now that some great riding weather is coming I was >wondering if people could post some detailed routes to >ride. I just moved to VA not to long ago. Went on one >or two rides out here and what to do more. But I don't >know any nice routes. > >Is there a website for nice rides in VA somewhere ?? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 10:58:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from grissom.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33FwEe29478 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by grissom.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g33G0UZ17648 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:00:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:56:57 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:55:50 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Good Scenic Rides ?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g33FwFe29479 Go to the area riding link on the DCcycles.com web site. There are some good ride sheets and maps there. George >>> Erik Seibold 04/03/02 10:47AM >>> Now that some great riding weather is coming I was wondering if people could post some detailed routes to ride. I just moved to VA not to long ago. Went on one or two rides out here and what to do more. But I don't know any nice routes. Is there a website for nice rides in VA somewhere ?? Thanks, Erik __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 11:18:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33GIEe29844 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-60.s2092.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.60] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16snSf-0002tq-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:18:14 -0500 Message-ID: <00d501c1db2b$50f08060$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020403105417.02353710@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: Good Scenic Rides ?? Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:17:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I have 4 routes on my web site www.wilsonline.org/vfr/trips.htm Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" > www.dccycles.com > > At 10:47 AM 4/3/2002, you wrote: > >Now that some great riding weather is coming I was > >wondering if people could post some detailed routes to > >ride. I just moved to VA not to long ago. Went on one > >or two rides out here and what to do more. But I don't > >know any nice routes. > > > >Is there a website for nice rides in VA somewhere ?? > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 11:32:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33GWje00236 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-48-15.s2047.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.15] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16sngh-0006W5-00; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:32:43 -0500 Message-ID: <00e901c1db2d$57309ee0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Pierre C" , References: Subject: Re: registration in va Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:32:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 It was a joke proving I was a VA resident in 1991. Basically, I turned in my Illinois license and they took my word for it. I imagine things have gotten a little tougher since 9/11/01 since several of the hijackers had fraudulently obtained VA DLs. My experience was downstate, too, where things tend to be a little more lax. DC is obnoxious with the proof, two forms of proof, such as utility bills, and they want to see iron-clad proof of your SSN, such as a Soc. Security card. Your out-of-state license won't do. Why anyone would want to fake living in DC is a bit of a stretch. To send their kids to our fine public schools while living in the 'burbs? Maybe to get a parking sticker for free parking or to double-dip on food stamps or something. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre C" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:24 AM Subject: registration in va > i am going to register my bike in VA. Do they ask for proof of residence? i > read the website, and they didn't mention anything about residence. Or do I > have to get VA driving licence before being able to register the bike there? > what kind of proof of residence do they ask for? do i have to have credit > card bank bills sent over to my va location? > thanks, > pierfrancesco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 11:41:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33GfSe00367 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:41:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0GU0008013M15M@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:39:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GU0006P13M07U@XXXXXX>; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 16:39:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GU000G013M0LM@XXXXXX>; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 16:39:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.36]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GU000DJ03LK8G@XXXXXX>; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 16:39:21 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:39:01 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Weekend To: motocox200 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3CAB3025.7F2DFA10@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Rats, made other plans for Saturday. Anyone interested in a scenic ride from the Woodbridge Area over to the Gun Show in Bealton? $5 to get in, cheap entertainment. :) I'll be shopping for a G26, a small fannypack, maybe some ammo. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 11:43:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33GhFe00452 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:43:15 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYBHcWz/Lbdf0DItTlPdGo4JoyGcAMLoBBY/+wegP3xnRG9fbpzoOlJT/sqQAirn6k= Received: from [204.245.128.130] (helo=jstrang) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16snqt-0000Xe-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:43:15 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: registration in va Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:42:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Pierre, I brought proof of residence (a phone bill, lease, utility bill, etc.). I *believe* they asked for it. You can do all at the same time (title, registration, license).... --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Pierre C [mailto:piffiffi@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:25 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: registration in va > > > i am going to register my bike in VA. Do they ask for proof of > residence? i > read the website, and they didn't mention anything about > residence. Or do I > have to get VA driving licence before being able to register the > bike there? > what kind of proof of residence do they ask for? do i have to have credit > card bank bills sent over to my va location? > thanks, > pierfrancesco > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 12:12:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-mx006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g33HCTe00994 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:12:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 9780 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 09:12:22 -0800 Received: from 209.228.32.170 (HELO mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 09:12:22 -0800 X-Sent: 3 Apr 2002 17:12:22 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:12:21 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: start planning! X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:12:21 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020403091222.12234.c002-h006.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> Hey all! Just thought with a beautiful day like this, I'd remind everyone that racing season is about to make its way to your neighborhood. So grab your bikes, your friends, and take a great ride to any of these events to cheer your local DC Cycles racers on: April 13-14 CCS at VIR April 21-22 WERA at summit May 11-12 CCS Summit May 23-26 WERA Cycle Jam-VIR June 8-9 WERA Summit June 29-30 CCS VIR July 13-14 CCS Summit July 27-28 CCS VIR That's enough to get your calendar started...I hope to see some of you out at the track!!!! Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 12:47:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33HlpZ00427 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:47:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w085.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.85]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:47:45 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE:clutch - braking thread Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:47:44 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2002 17:47:45.0317 (UTC) FILETIME=[A94D1550:01C1DB37] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g33HmHZ00428 OK, everyone. Let's all take a deep breath and count to 10 and review... 1. Yes, I take cheap shots at Gimer (DJY too). But Gimer deserves them more. 2. Yes, this is all good fun and not meant as a personal assault ... even though Gimer really is a horse's ass (or arrogant prick, take your choice). Sorry, but I just can't help myself (maybe I should seek counseling). Baiting and annoying Gimer is just too much fun. And his responses just crack me up. Original Message (from Gimer): > and i respond each time with only a slightly biting remark.... if i took what chuck was saying personally (please go re-read his last 10 posts to me), i'd be in anger management class. sheesh -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 12:57:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33HvRZ00618 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0GU000D0177EXS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:57:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GU0009MC77EJ6@XXXXXX>; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:57:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GU000A01775L8@XXXXXX>; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:57:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.36]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GU0007GX773MU@XXXXXX>; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:57:04 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 12:56:44 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: MD20-20 To: "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3CAB425C.A8AD57BE@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020403141125.2744.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > > > However, the ST1100 stays home this year. The Three Amigos will be > > performing a power shoot-out of Suz-Hond-Kawa 650 bangers for 1000 miles > > instead. > > Todd, only 1000? Ya got 36 hrs to play with, how about a BunBurner? Put the > bike (and your buns) to the test! Is there any special requirement for this? I mean if I just show up at the finish with 1500+ miles and get back in under 36 hours, will the BunBurner be an automatic thing? I ask because the BBG last year involved one specific bonus stop in Georgia. > > And for the comment about Racer X, (made by you and Dale), Racer X is already > registered. (see http://www.masondixon20-20.org/riders02.htm) Let's call the > challenger, oh, I don't know, how about Racer B? > > Louis > > ===== > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours > Fairfax, VA > Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ > > Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 13:39:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dcmail0.dc.gov (dcmail1b.dc.gov [151.200.161.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33IdcZ01233 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcmail2b.dc.gov ([10.128.7.15]) by dcmail0.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020403183935.NRBI17656.dcmail0@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:39:35 -0500 Received: from dcopexch.dcop.dcgov.org ([164.82.14.6]) by dcmail2b.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020403183842.NFLT595.dcmail2b@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:38:42 -0500 Received: by DCOPEXCH with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:35:44 -0500 Message-ID: <2344588A203AD311B795009027626986360326@CWDEXCH0> From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: It's the little things in life... Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:38:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain Maybe some of you will get a kick out of this... My office parking garage is pretty small, and there's really only one designated M/C space. Mine. Unfortunately a lot of the rich old farts in the same building like to park right next to that spot, each one hanging a "little" over their space into mine. Security guard won't do anything about it and sometimes it's a nightmare getting in and out of the spot because Four "little over's" means I am surrounded by the Wall Of Car. Anyway, I had to go to a different office for the end of the day and of course my poor bike is all trapped behind the Rich Old Fartmobiles; literally one on each side plus front and back. I knew I was going to have tons of fun getting out, and I was annoyed because I have asked them to knock it off... anyway, I took my anger out on the throttle and the Gods of Acoustics were smiling on me, because I managed to detonate ALL FOUR of the car alarms! A new personal record!!! (then removed bike from said parking space with can opener and regretted missing seeing them all come down to turn off their alarms) cheers--- Patti the Easily Amused Lantech From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 13:51:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33IpMZ01474 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g33IpGw01882; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:51:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:51:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200204031851.g33IpGw01882@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE:clutch - braking thread Chuck tried desperately to stamp out the smoldering embers - OK, everyone. Let's all take a deep breath and count to 10 and review... 1. Yes, I take cheap shots at Gimer (DJY too). But Gimer deserves them more. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot??? I worked damn hard to get on your cheap shots list, Chuck, and THIS is the reward I get? Bride's maid to GIMER? That's it. You'd better hope we're not next to each other at a light or I'm hittin' your kill switch ! 2. Yes, this is all good fun and not meant as a personal assault ... even though Gimer really is a horse's ass (or arrogant prick, take your choice). What woulld (Y)Anker think ? Sorry, but I just can't help myself (maybe I should seek counseling). Baiting and annoying Gimer is just too much fun. And his responses just crack me up. Well, yeah... still, you're using Gimer as - http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame65.html Better double up on the zoloft, Chuck ! Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 14:11:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33JB9Z01727 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0GU000001ALV44@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:10:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GU000M4ZALVX3@XXXXXX>; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 19:10:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GU000D01ALO0J@XXXXXX>; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 19:10:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.36]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GU0009EVALJNS@XXXXXX>; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 19:10:31 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:10:11 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: MD20-20 To: "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3CAB5393.73E2FFCE@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020403141125.2744.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > And for the comment about Racer X, (made by you and Dale), Racer X is already > registered. (see http://www.masondixon20-20.org/riders02.htm) Let's call the > challenger, oh, I don't know, how about Racer B? Oh, I don't know, he rides a Harley. How about Racer Wanna B? :) Grinning, ducking and running... :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 14:12:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33JCIZ01799 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:12:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.128.f3f162a (16035); Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from netscape.com (mow-m01.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.129]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v84.14) with ESMTP id MAILINID102-0403141143; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:11:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:11:43 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: the_bolt_99@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good Scenic Rides ?? Message-ID: <48356CCF.6C932B44.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In case no one has suggested it, check out the dc-cycles.org home page. There's a sections with ride sheets on it. I know it's not all of them but, it's a good start. Scooter In a message dated Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:50:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_bolt_99@XXXXXX writes: > > > Now that some great riding weather is coming I was > wondering if people could post some detailed routes to > ride. I just moved to VA not to long ago. Went on one > or two rides out here and what to do more. But I don't > know any nice routes. > > Is there a website for nice rides in VA somewhere ?? > > > Thanks, > Erik > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 14:14:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33JEYZ01812 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.45.1556a4f8 (16098); Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:14:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from netscape.com (mow-m02.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.130]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v84.14) with ESMTP id MAILINID112-0403141400; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:14:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:14:00 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: the_bolt_99@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good Scenic Rides ?? Message-ID: <6E9914FA.3045F45C.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Oops...my bad. Dc-cycles.org puts you on the mailing list home page. dccycles.com puts you on the group home page. That's got the list. Sorry. :-) Scooter In a message dated Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:50:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_bolt_99@XXXXXX writes: > > > Now that some great riding weather is coming I was > wondering if people could post some detailed routes to > ride. I just moved to VA not to long ago. Went on one > or two rides out here and what to do more. But I don't > know any nice routes. > > Is there a website for nice rides in VA somewhere ?? > > > Thanks, > Erik > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 14:17:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33JHXZ01939 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:17:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-109-96.s1874.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.109.96] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16sqGB-00062s-00; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:17:31 -0500 Message-ID: <006c01c1db44$52006060$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <200204031851.g33IpGw01882@atlanta.pop3now.com> Subject: Re: RE:clutch - braking thread Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:15:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Mr. Gimer does have the enviable distinction of being the only person on the list who's been turned into a verb. Gimered, yes. Penaed or Yatesed, it just doesn't have the same ring to it. :) Ankered, now there's a possibility. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: > Chuck tried desperately to stamp out the smoldering embers - > > OK, everyone. Let's all take a deep breath and count to 10 and > review... > > 1. Yes, I take cheap shots at Gimer (DJY too). But Gimer deserves > them more. > > Whiskey Tango Foxtrot??? I worked damn hard to get on your > cheap shots list, Chuck, and THIS is the reward I get? Bride's maid > to GIMER? That's it. You'd better hope we're not next to each other > at a light or I'm hittin' your kill switch ! > > > 2. Yes, this is all good fun and not meant as a personal assault ... > even though Gimer really is a horse's ass (or arrogant prick, take > your choice). > > What woulld (Y)Anker think ? > > > Sorry, but I just can't help myself (maybe I should seek counseling). > Baiting and annoying Gimer is just too much fun. And his responses > just crack me up. > > Well, yeah... > still, you're using Gimer as - > http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame65.html > > Better double up on the zoloft, Chuck ! > > Dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 14:19:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33JJuZ02026 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-116.patriot.net [209.249.180.116]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g33JJsh04707 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:19:54 -0500 Message-ID: <3CAB556F.FF9F33ED@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:18:07 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: A new VA DMV record? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Woe is me, I'm thinking, I have to visit the DMV. The trailer tag for our boat race club rescue boat had expired - like 2 years ago. Yep, we've been towing it to races on a dead tag. Methinks the big red letters RESCUE on the boat sides kept the LEOs at bay. But I was given the task of getting new tags of the permenent kind. So I left work early in anticipation of the typical wait at DMV. I'm not lying, I was in and out in less than ten minutes! Got my number ticket and barely had the chair warm when my number came up. Lady takes my form and money, taps the keyboard, slaps the tag and registration on the counter and sez "Happy motoring" Whoa, speedy service and a smile!!! Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 14:29:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33JTgZ02247 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-116.patriot.net [209.249.180.116]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g33JTeh08001 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:29:41 -0500 Message-ID: <3CAB57BA.31B70BA6@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:27:54 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Okay, fess up! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does one of our female listers have a rather interesting occupation? Spied a bright yellow Suzuki sportbike this AM. Hmm... appears to be a female rider from the curve of her posterior and almost down-to-the-ass hair braid. I catch a light and she's gone, but wait! Minutes later I'm chugging down 23rd street in Crystal City and I spy the bike again. Apparently she overshot a parking space and she's backing and filling to turn the bike around. Now I'm not very picky, any female warm and breathing is okay with me, but this one was in the *hottie* range. And I recall seeing that yellow bike parked there yesterday! Where is "there"? In very close proximity to the CCR = Crystal City Restaurant, which in addition to serving up meals allows a number of females to demonstrate their dancing skills while attired in a G-string and pasties. So is babe on the yellow bike a lister? And if not, Chuck, Mark, get on it! Just think, recruit this one and convince her to attend Bike Nights and the attendance would rocket thru the roof! Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 14:39:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33JdhZ02465 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:39:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w098.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.98]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:39:43 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Okay, fess up! Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:39:42 -0500 To: "bhuson@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2002 19:39:43.0171 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D744130:01C1DB47] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g33JdjZ02466 Bill, A more than worthy suggestion, except: 1. I am a gun owner 2. My wife knows where all the guns are 3. I taught my wife how to shoot them all Nope, gonna have to leave this "must do" project up to my pal Kitchell. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: William J. Huson bhuson@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:27:54 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Okay, fess up! Does one of our female listers have a rather interesting occupation? Spied a bright yellow Suzuki sportbike this AM. Hmm... appears to be a female rider from the curve of her posterior and almost down-to-the-ass hair braid. I catch a light and she's gone, but wait! Minutes later I'm chugging down 23rd street in Crystal City and I spy the bike again. Apparently she overshot a parking space and she's backing and filling to turn the bike around. Now I'm not very picky, any female warm and breathing is okay with me, but this one was in the *hottie* range. And I recall seeing that yellow bike parked there yesterday! Where is "there"? In very close proximity to the CCR = Crystal City Restaurant, which in addition to serving up meals allows a number of females to demonstrate their dancing skills while attired in a G-string and pasties. So is babe on the yellow bike a lister? And if not, Chuck, Mark, get on it! Just think, recruit this one and convince her to attend Bike Nights and the attendance would rocket thru the roof! Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 14:42:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33JgaZ02558 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-116.patriot.net [209.249.180.116]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g33JgRh12036; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:42:27 -0500 Message-ID: <3CAB5AB9.B162DB3@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:40:41 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pierre C CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: registration in va References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Oh yeah, since 9/11 one needs a videotape off thier home complete with VA state trooper holding up a sign with your official VA addy, at least five official documents, mortgage papers, utility bills and the like. And they verify your age by having you assume the buns up kneeling position and counting the rings in your asshole! But it's not that bad, unless the A-ring counter is a recently hired defrocked priest. Just kidding... I think... Bill Pierre C wrote: > i am going to register my bike in VA. Do they ask for proof of residence? i > read the website, and they didn't mention anything about residence. Or do I > have to get VA driving licence before being able to register the bike there? > what kind of proof of residence do they ask for? do i have to have credit > card bank bills sent over to my va location? > thanks, > pierfrancesco > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 14:46:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33JkXZ02659 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-116.patriot.net [209.249.180.116]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g33JkUh13372; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:46:30 -0500 Message-ID: <3CAB5BAB.6921170A@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:44:43 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I have a similer problem: 1. No guns. 2. My wife doesn't need one 3. She can kick my ass without even breaking sweat. Okay, Mark, over to you :-) Bill cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Bill, > > A more than worthy suggestion, except: > > 1. I am a gun owner > 2. My wife knows where all the guns are > 3. I taught my wife how to shoot them all > > Nope, gonna have to leave this "must do" project up to my pal Kitchell. > > Chuck > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: William J. Huson bhuson@XXXXXX > Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:27:54 -0500 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Okay, fess up! > > Does one of our female listers have a rather interesting occupation? > > Spied a bright yellow Suzuki sportbike this AM. Hmm... appears to be a > female rider from the curve of her posterior and almost down-to-the-ass > hair braid. I catch a light and she's gone, but wait! Minutes later > I'm chugging down 23rd street in Crystal City and I spy the bike again. > Apparently she overshot a parking space and she's backing and filling to > turn the bike around. Now I'm not very picky, any female warm and > breathing is okay with me, but this one was in the *hottie* range. And > I recall seeing that yellow bike parked there yesterday! > > Where is "there"? In very close proximity to the CCR = Crystal City > Restaurant, which in addition to serving up meals allows a number of > females to demonstrate their dancing skills while attired in a G-string > and pasties. > > So is babe on the yellow bike a lister? And if not, Chuck, Mark, get > on it! Just think, recruit this one and convince her to attend Bike > Nights and the attendance would rocket thru the roof! > > Bill > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 14:52:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33JqNZ02771 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0GU000H01CJ1IG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:52:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GU000FJ7CJ1ST@XXXXXX>; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 19:52:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GU000901CIJ0R@XXXXXX>; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 19:52:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.36]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GU00083XCIDSH@XXXXXX>; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 19:51:52 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:51:29 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: clutch - braking thread To: Paul Wilson Cc: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3CAB5D41.3297AC06@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200204031851.g33IpGw01882@atlanta.pop3now.com> <006c01c1db44$52006060$bb82fea9@palladio1> Paul Wilson wrote: > > Mr. Gimer does have the enviable distinction of being the only person on the > list who's been turned into a verb. Gimered, yes. Penaed or Yatesed, it > just doesn't have the same ring to it. :) Ankered, now there's a > possibility. Through no small effort on the part of Yours Truly, it is now possible to "Pull a Horkster" in endurance riding events. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 14:52:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33JqwZ02781 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:52:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:52:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Good Scenic DC Lunchtime Rides Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:52:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Someone asked about rides from downtown DC the other day. It might not be the greatest but I like to take the GW parkway towards McLean, get off on 123 towards the Chain Bridge, take a right after the bridge onto Canal St which dumps you out into Georgetown. It takes about 1/2 hour to complete. From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 14:58:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g33JwwZ02922 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:58:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 16255 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 11:58:51 -0800 Received: from 209.228.32.176 (HELO mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 11:58:51 -0800 X-Sent: 3 Apr 2002 19:58:51 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:58:50 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:58:50 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020403115851.14687.c002-h012.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Wed, 03 April 2002, "William J. Huson" wrote > > Does one of our female listers have a rather interesting occupation? > > Spied a bright yellow Suzuki sportbike this AM. Hmm... appears to be a > female rider from the curve of her me owns a yellow suzuki sportbike... >Now I'm not very picky, any female warm and > breathing is okay with me, but this one was in the *hottie* range. Umm, not me... > > females to demonstrate their dancing skills while attired in a G-string > and pasties. I've thought about it, but Roach didn't like the idea too much > > So is babe on the yellow bike a lister? And if not, Chuck, Mark, get > on it! Just think, recruit this one and convince her to attend Bike > Nights and the attendance would rocket thru the roof! Bill: why don't you print up a dc cycles flyer and stick it on her bike??? LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 15:03:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33K3rZ03011 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g33K3lv01076; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:03:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:03:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200204032003.g33K3lv01076@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: clutch - braking thread Hork bragged - Through no small effort on the part of Yours Truly, it is now possible to "Pull a Horkster" in endurance riding events. :) So, the victim or one most affected would have been 'Horked', right ? ;-) Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 15:05:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20103.mail.yahoo.com (web20103.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g33K5AZ03088 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:05:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020403200509.83580.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.253.132.218] by web20103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 12:05:09 PST Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:05:09 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: looking for that '93 nighthawk To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii unfortunately Yahoo mail's reaper RM'd my email before I could go dig back thru my trash. I met a guy today who's been out of MC's for 2 years and is very keen on getting back in. He really likes the NH. If anyone has a line on a 'tame' 600cc class bike, he'd consider that too. Others on the list are ZR-7 and similar. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 15:24:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33KO1Z03399 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g33KNuY11931; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:23:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:23:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200204032023.g33KNuY11931@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Life's little victories Patti relayed - Maybe some of you will get a kick out of this... ...a lot of the rich old farts in the same building like to park right next to that spot, each one hanging a "little" over their space into mine. ... I am surrounded by the Wall Of Car. ... my poor bike is all trapped behind the Rich Old Fartmobiles; literally one on each side plus front and back. I knew I was going to have tons of fun getting out, and I was annoyed because I have asked them to knock it off... anyway, I took my anger out on the throttle and the Gods of Acoustics were smiling on me, because I managed to detonate ALL FOUR of the car alarms! A new personal record!!! Indeed, that IS impressive. Even with my old big block Cougar, with token mufflers, the most I set off at one time was 2, but it was a pretty regular event... Particularly when I entered a shopping center parking lot... We can only hope they had the fancy shmancy pager alarms :-) Dave (then removed bike from said parking space with can opener and regretted missing seeing them all come down to turn off their alarms) -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 15:36:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20110.mail.yahoo.com (web20110.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g33KaLZ03624 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:36:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020403203620.88528.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.253.132.218] by web20110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 12:36:20 PST Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:36:20 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Parking downtown if you work for the State department To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2344588A203AD311B795009027626986360326@CWDEXCH0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't know if anyone here works for State (I just started as a contractor 3 or so weeks ago) but at SA-1 which is 1 block from main State, all you need to do is flash your state badge and you can park under what they call the 'high-rise' in the garage. About a dozen spots for MC's. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 16:02:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33L2pZ04067 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:02:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w059 ([168.144.108.59]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:02:49 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Good Scenic DC Lunchtime Rides Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:02:49 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2002 21:02:49.0478 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9865260:01C1DB52] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g33L30Z04068 Good scenic DC lunchtime rides: - Archibald's - Joanna's - Camelot The full Monty! %^) Original Message: ----------------- Someone asked about rides from downtown DC the other day. It might not be the greatest but I like to take the GW parkway towards McLean, get off on 123 towards the Chain Bridge, take a right after the bridge onto Canal St which dumps you out into Georgetown. It takes about 1/2 hour to complete. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 16:08:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13002.mail.yahoo.com (web13002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g33L8HZ04162 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:08:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020403210816.20508.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.122.13] by web13002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 13:08:16 PST Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:08:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: MD20-20 To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3CAB425C.A8AD57BE@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > > Todd, only 1000? Ya got 36 hrs to play with, how about a BunBurner? Put > > the bike (and your buns) to the test! > > Is there any special requirement for this? I mean if I > just show up at the finish with 1500+ miles and get back > in under 36 hours, will the BunBurner be an automatic > thing? I ask because the BBG last year involved one > specific bonus stop in Georgia. Rick Miller is the one who set up the course for the SS1000, and BB, but my guess is that there will be a one or a few "bonus" stops to prove you went the route. It gives the rider some of the fun (especially with our theme, so they can get some of it). Especially those who never rode in a real rally before. That is for the people who ONLY want the BB/SS1000. For those who HAPPEN to get a BB while doing the rally, they will also get the certification. (additional reason to get back within the 36 hr time window!) Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 16:31:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33LVAZ04594 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:31:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-116.patriot.net [209.249.180.116]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g33LV7h14446; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:31:07 -0500 Message-ID: <3CAB7431.B0530704@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 16:29:21 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Lantech (DCOP)" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: It's the little things in life... References: <2344588A203AD311B795009027626986360326@CWDEXCH0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh yeah! Setting off alarms in the underground garage I park in use to be easy when I had the old non-muflers on the Hawg. With my semi-quiet pipes I have to twist in a few Rs. I dearly luv hearing all the yuppie alarms go off. One A-hole use to use two spaces to prevent door dings on his precious piece of jap crap Porsche wannebe-mobile. Leaving a nastygram on his car didn't convince him to park properly. While leaving said nastygrams we discovered it had one of those "Step back, you're too close" voice thingers, and a pager alarm! Our lunchtime fun was honk up a big loogie on his windshield, kick bumper to set off alarm, retire to a dark corner and giggle while he raced down to his true love and turned the alarm off. Then we'd wait five or ten and repeat the process. Took the dumbass more'n a week of notes, snot covered windshield, and false alarms before he got the message - use ONE space. Bill Lantech (DCOP) wrote: > Maybe some of you will get a kick out of this... > > My office parking garage is pretty small, and there's really only one > designated M/C space. Mine. Unfortunately a lot of the rich old farts in > the same building like to park right next to that spot, each one hanging a > "little" over their space into mine. Security guard won't do anything about > it and sometimes it's a nightmare getting in and out of the spot because > Four "little over's" means I am surrounded by the Wall Of Car. > > Anyway, I had to go to a different office for the end of the day and of > course my poor bike is all trapped behind the Rich Old Fartmobiles; > literally one on each side plus front and back. I knew I was going to have > tons of fun getting out, and I was annoyed because I have asked them to > knock it off... anyway, I took my anger out on the throttle and the Gods of > Acoustics were smiling on me, because I managed to detonate ALL FOUR of the > car alarms! A new personal record!!! > > (then removed bike from said parking space with can opener and regretted > missing seeing them all come down to turn off their alarms) > > cheers--- > > Patti the Easily Amused Lantech From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 16:35:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33LZmZ04707 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:35:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-116.patriot.net [209.249.180.116]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g33LZjh16138; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:35:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3CAB7547.5A9AB97E@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 16:33:59 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! References: <20020403115851.14687.c002-h012.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Wed, 03 April 2002, "William J. Huson" wrote > > > > > Does one of our female listers have a rather > interesting occupation? > > > > Spied a bright yellow Suzuki sportbike this AM. > Hmm... appears to be a > > female rider from the curve of her > > me owns a yellow suzuki sportbike... I know your bike, this was a bigun, maybe a Hiyabusa. > >Now I'm not very picky, any female warm and > > breathing is okay with me, but this one was in the > *hottie* range. > > Umm, not me.. My babe-temp meter says differnent :-) > > females to demonstrate their dancing skills while > attired in a G-string > > and pasties. > > I've thought about it, but Roach didn't like the idea > too much Hey, it's good exercise! > > So is babe on the yellow bike a lister? And if not, > Chuck, Mark, get > > on it! Just think, recruit this one and convince > her to attend Bike > > Nights and the attendance would rocket thru the roof! > > Bill: why don't you print up a dc cycles flyer and > stick it on her bike??? HAH! Just touching the seat she sat on might cause a cardiac incident in my ol' ticker. > > LAG > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 16:42:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33Lg5Z04838 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:42:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w086.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.86]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:42:04 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Okay, fess up! Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:42:04 -0500 To: "bhuson@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2002 21:42:04.0706 (UTC) FILETIME=[65599820:01C1DB58] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g33Lg6Z04839 Bill, Bill, Bill... Nothing ventured, nothing gained. That plus the whole risk-reward thing. Go for it, you old geezer! %^) Original Message: HAH! Just touching the seat she sat on might cause a cardiac incident in my ol' ticker. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 16:45:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g33LjOZ04918 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:45:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 24786 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 13:45:18 -0800 Received: from 209.228.32.170 (HELO mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 13:45:18 -0800 X-Sent: 3 Apr 2002 21:45:18 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 13:45:17 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 13:45:17 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020403134518.15862.c002-h006.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Wed, 03 April 2002, "William J. Huson" wrote > > I know your bike, this was a bigun, maybe a Hiyabusa. > You never mentioned it was a bigun, now, did you? ;) > > My babe-temp meter says differnent :-) awww, what a good guy!!!! > > > Hey, it's good exercise! That's what I told Roach, but the rationale never worked... > > HAH! Just touching the seat she sat on might cause a cardiac incident > in my ol' ticker. > So how are you actually gonna meet this girl then, Bill? We don't want any ambulance incidents at bike nights! LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 16:51:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dcmail0.dc.gov (dcmail1b.dc.gov [151.200.161.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33Lp8Z05050 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:51:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcmail2b.dc.gov ([10.128.7.15]) by dcmail0.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020403215108.OILV17656.dcmail0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:51:08 -0500 Received: from dcopexch.dcop.dcgov.org ([164.82.14.6]) by dcmail2b.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020403215014.NNXX595.dcmail2b@XXXXXX>; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:50:14 -0500 Received: by DCOPEXCH with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:47:12 -0500 Message-ID: <2344588A203AD311B79500902762698636032E@CWDEXCH0> From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'William J. Huson'" , "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: It's the little things in life... Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:50:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I dearly luv hearing all the yuppie alarms go off. One of these weenies actually has an alarm that will e-mail him when it is going off, just in case the key-chain batteries die at that very instance. And the alarm goes off a lot; the acuostics in the garage are weird and you can set off his alarm with a backfire or less. I have been known to make fake emails from the alarm just to watch him run. Mercedes SUV, does it get worse than that??? -patti From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 16:58:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13904.mail.yahoo.com (web13904.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g33LwHZ05196 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:58:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020403215816.52846.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.76.2] by web13904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 13:58:16 PST Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:58:16 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Non moto: SUV song To: dccyles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My band has a song I wrote about SUVs on our website. http://www.chaotika.com/ I was inspired to write this after riding behind a very slow SUV on a nice twisty back road. I know some of you on the list feel the same about big SUVs as I do, so you may get a laugh out of it. Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 17:01:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mx-relay2.treas.gov (mx-relay2.treas.gov [199.196.144.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g33M1jZ05312 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:01:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from tias4.treas.gov (tias-gw4.treas.gov [199.196.144.14]) by mx-relay2.treas.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with SMTP id g33M0Gl13751 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from no.name.available by tias4.treas.gov via smtpd (for mx-relay.treas.gov [199.196.144.6]) with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 22:01:44 UT Received: from fw2.do.treas.gov. (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub-4.net.treas.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with SMTP id g33Ls3v14313 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:54:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.20.75.25] by fw2.do.treas.gov. via smtpd (for mailhub.net.treas.gov [10.7.14.14]) with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 22:01:44 UT Received: from msbr02.do.treas.gov ([10.75.192.146]) by vms.do.treas.gov (PMDF V6.1-1 #41007) with ESMTP id <01KG4UE839948Y5HVF@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by msbr02.do.treas.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2ATBCSXW>; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:01:27 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:01:25 -0500 From: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Okay, fess up! To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C1DB5B.1969B730" X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1DB5B.1969B730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well well well, I want to thank everyone for their suggestions for DC lunchtime rides, but this discussion has won me over. I think my lunchtime rides will heading down to Crystal City for some exploration of the South Arlington area. 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To: "William J. Huson" , cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: <3CAB5BAB.6921170A@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am up to the task. How about a Bike Night at CCR? Camelot? --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Yes, I have a similer problem: > > 1. No guns. > 2. My wife doesn't need one > 3. She can kick my ass without even breaking > sweat. > > Okay, Mark, over to you :-) > > Bill > > cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Bill, > > > > A more than worthy suggestion, except: > > > > 1. I am a gun owner > > 2. My wife knows where all the guns are > > 3. I taught my wife how to shoot them all > > > > Nope, gonna have to leave this "must do" project > up to my pal Kitchell. > > > > Chuck > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: William J. Huson bhuson@XXXXXX > > Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:27:54 -0500 > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Okay, fess up! > > > > Does one of our female listers have a rather > interesting occupation? > > > > Spied a bright yellow Suzuki sportbike this AM. > Hmm... appears to be a > > female rider from the curve of her posterior and > almost down-to-the-ass > > hair braid. I catch a light and she's gone, but > wait! Minutes later > > I'm chugging down 23rd street in Crystal City and > I spy the bike again. > > Apparently she overshot a parking space and she's > backing and filling to > > turn the bike around. Now I'm not very picky, any > female warm and > > breathing is okay with me, but this one was in > the *hottie* range. And > > I recall seeing that yellow bike parked there > yesterday! > > > > Where is "there"? In very close proximity to the > CCR = Crystal City > > Restaurant, which in addition to serving up meals > allows a number of > > females to demonstrate their dancing skills while > attired in a G-string > > and pasties. > > > > So is babe on the yellow bike a lister? And if > not, Chuck, Mark, get > > on it! Just think, recruit this one and convince > her to attend Bike > > Nights and the attendance would rocket thru the > roof! > > > > Bill > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 19:16:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g340GQZ07641 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from vaio (pcp720944pcs.alxndr01.va.comcast.net [68.49.202.82]) by mtaout45-02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with SMTP id <0GU00092UOR895@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 19:16:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 19:16:20 -0500 From: James Reazor Subject: RE: Parking downtown if you work for the State department In-reply-to: <20020403203620.88528.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Yep, I take some perverse pleasure in listening to my office mates gripe about the outrageous rates at the PMI lot across from SA-1. -James > -----Original Message----- > From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:36 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Parking downtown if you work for the State department > > > I don't know if anyone here works for State (I just started as a > contractor 3 or so weeks ago) but at SA-1 which is 1 block from main > State, all you need to do is flash your state badge and you can park > under what they call the 'high-rise' in the garage. About a dozen spots > for MC's. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 20:04:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3414WZ08327 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 20:04:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.de.24e417c0 (25715) for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 20:04:19 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 20:04:18 EST Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_de.24e417c0.29dd0092_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_de.24e417c0.29dd0092_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Yes, I have a similer problem: > > 1. No guns. > 2. My wife doesn't need one > 3. She can kick my ass without even breaking sweat. > Pussy! LOL Tag...you're it! :) Steve Broadstreet ZX-9 --part1_de.24e417c0.29dd0092_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bhuson@XXXXXX writes:

Yes, I have a similer problem:

1.  No guns.
2.  My wife doesn't need one
3.  She can kick my ass without even breaking  sweat.

   Pussy!  LOL  Tag...you're it!  :)

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9
--part1_de.24e417c0.29dd0092_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 20:08:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3418QZ08425 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 20:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA10899 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:08:25 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020403201951.0255688c@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 20:19:52 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: RE: It's the little things in life... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:50 PM 4/3/02 -0500, you wrote: > > >>I dearly luv hearing all the yuppie alarms go off. > >One of these weenies actually has an alarm that will e-mail him when it is >going off, just in case the key-chain batteries die at that very instance. >And the alarm goes off a lot; the acuostics in the garage are weird and you >can set off his alarm with a backfire or less. I have been known to make >fake emails from the alarm just to watch him run. Mercedes SUV, does it get >worse than that??? > >-patti I park in an underground garage at work. My 'fun' cage has a very healthy motor with a single 4" exhaust on it. When started on the lower level of the parking garage, any car with an alarm within ~100 ft of my car will be beeping :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 3 21:03:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3423jZ09299 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:03:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-116.patriot.net [209.249.180.116]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3423gh23574; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:03:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3CABB413.ED6B0D05@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 21:01:55 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SBave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A07B314B5E57E08DF79DD3E0" --------------A07B314B5E57E08DF79DD3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > >> Yes, I have a similer problem: >> >> 1. No guns. >> 2. My wife doesn't need one >> 3. She can kick my ass without even breaking sweat. > > > Pussy! LOL Tag...you're it! :) > > Steve Broadstreet > ZX-9 No, Mr. Broadstreet, the correct term is Pussy Whipped. :-> Bill --------------A07B314B5E57E08DF79DD3E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

SBave@XXXXXX wrote:

 bhuson@XXXXXX writes:
 
Yes, I have a similer problem:

1.  No guns.
2.  My wife doesn't need one
3.  She can kick my ass without even breaking  sweat.


   Pussy!  LOL  Tag...you're it!  :)

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9

No, Mr. Broadstreet, the correct  term is Pussy Whipped.  :->

Bill --------------A07B314B5E57E08DF79DD3E0-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 01:43:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g346hnZ13199 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 01:43:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from attglobal.net (pcp717420pcs.alxndr01.va.comcast.net [68.49.216.54]) by mtaout45-02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GU100BQA6OV2R@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 01:43:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 01:49:47 -0500 From: Shigeru Honda Subject: Wow - Chuck was on MSNBC! To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <3CABF78B.7E539D75@attglobal.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [ja] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: ja I was browsing through the channels and saw someone familiar... Wow, Chuck's on MSNBC! -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 08:16:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34DG2Z19424 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-180-187.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.43.180.187] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16t75s-000685-00; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 05:16:00 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020404081500.00b29ef0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 08:17:19 -0500 To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: It's the little things in life... In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020403201951.0255688c@noid.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:19 PM 4/3/2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: >I park in an underground garage at work. My 'fun' cage has a very healthy >motor with a single 4" exhaust on it. When started on the lower level of >the parking garage, any car with an alarm within ~100 ft of my car will be >beeping :-) Yep, same with my Aprilia in Crystal City -- and I have to ride the length of three buildings to get to the exit. I thoroughly enjoy it every time. 8;) OTOH, the 919 doesn't do a thing. You'd think *some* of those cars would have sewing machine detectors... -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 08:18:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34DIoZ19444 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp761865pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net [68.48.192.112]) by mtaout45-02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GU100E0FOZ955@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 08:18:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 08:16:40 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: vtr shield deal To: DC Cycles Message-id: <3CAC5238.FCBBAA3E@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Anyone here interested? Contact Howard below. Horkster > Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 17:51:53 -0800 (PST) > From: Howard Roth > To: cog@XXXXXX > Subject: Non COG - VTR1000 Shield > Message-ID: <20020401015153.69164.qmail@XXXXXX> > > Coggers: > > Do any of you know anyone with a Honda VTR1000 > SuperHawk in RED. I have a shield for that bike that > was special ordered then never paid for. Therefore, I > would just assume cut a really good deal rather than > pay to ship back to the UK. > > It is a Pyramid Plasitcs red screen with flip and 4 > inches taller than stock. > > Thanks > > > > ===== > Howard Roth > Harleysville, PA > http://dandyindustries.hypermart.net > COG # 3605 AMA # 469638 IBA # 8524 > 99 Concours 91 Sportster 77 CB400F > "Shpatzir" "The Creamsicle" "Needs Work" -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 08:30:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34DUdZ19722 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-180-187.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.43.180.187] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16t7AL-0001ff-00; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 05:20:37 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020404081827.00b12700@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 08:21:56 -0500 To: Shigeru Honda , DC-Cycles From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Wow - Chuck was on MSNBC! In-Reply-To: <3CABF78B.7E539D75@attglobal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:49 AM 4/4/2002, Shigeru Honda wrote: >I was browsing through the channels and saw someone familiar... >Wow, Chuck's on MSNBC! Ho-hum. Chuck on tv is like ChickenMan -- "He's everywhere, he's everywhere!" Only his wife and dc-cycles know what he's *really* like. Makes me wonder if Saint Joe Lieberman's out there tooling around on a new Silver Wing... -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 08:40:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f93.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.93]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34DetZ19871 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:40:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 05:29:16 -0800 Received: from 151.200.109.76 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 13:29:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.76] From: "Todd Peer" To: horkster@XXXXXX, nighthawk700@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD20-20 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 08:29:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2002 13:29:16.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7D1E9C0:01C1DBDC] Good question. I imagine the answer applies to both the 1000 and 1500. If we could get some dirt riding in too that'd be great! T >From: Dale Horstman >To: "Louis F. Caplan" >CC: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: MD20-20 >Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 12:56:44 -0500 > >"Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > > > > > However, the ST1100 stays home this year. The Three Amigos will be > > > performing a power shoot-out of Suz-Hond-Kawa 650 bangers for 1000 >miles > > > instead. > > > > Todd, only 1000? Ya got 36 hrs to play with, how about a BunBurner? >Put the > > bike (and your buns) to the test! > >Is there any special requirement for this? I mean if I >just show up at the finish with 1500+ miles and get back >in under 36 hours, will the BunBurner be an automatic >thing? I ask because the BBG last year involved one >specific bonus stop in Georgia. > > > > And for the comment about Racer X, (made by you and Dale), Racer X is >already > > registered. (see http://www.masondixon20-20.org/riders02.htm) Let's >call the > > challenger, oh, I don't know, how about Racer B? > > > > Louis _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 08:47:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11105.mail.yahoo.com (web11105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.152]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g34Dl4Z20040 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:47:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020404134703.61711.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 05:47:03 PST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 05:47:03 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: vtr shield deal To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3CAC5238.FCBBAA3E@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm not interested (sounds a little gaudy) but I'll send this to the VTR mailing list. I'm sure he'll get a taker. Chris Weaver --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Anyone here interested? Contact Howard below. > > Horkster > > > Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 17:51:53 -0800 (PST) > > From: Howard Roth > > To: cog@XXXXXX > > Subject: Non COG - VTR1000 Shield > > Message-ID: > <20020401015153.69164.qmail@XXXXXX> > > > > Coggers: > > > > Do any of you know anyone with a Honda VTR1000 > > SuperHawk in RED. I have a shield for that bike > that > > was special ordered then never paid for. > Therefore, I > > would just assume cut a really good deal rather > than > > pay to ship back to the UK. > > > > It is a Pyramid Plasitcs red screen with flip and > 4 > > inches taller than stock. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > ===== > > Howard Roth > > Harleysville, PA > > http://dandyindustries.hypermart.net > > COG # 3605 AMA # 469638 IBA # > 8524 > > 99 Concours 91 Sportster 77 > CB400F > > "Shpatzir" "The Creamsicle" "Needs > Work" > > -- > Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 08:49:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34DnpZ20069 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g34DnkH04612; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:49:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:49:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200204041349.g34DnkH04612@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Wow - Chuck was on MSNBC! I was browsing through the channels and saw someone familiar... Wow, Chuck's on MSNBC! I'll be he had his head up his ass again ! ;-) Actually, when I heard him on Fox a few days back, Chuck did DCC proud - no muttering, stammering, stumbling, and a good answer for everything the talking head threw at him. Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 10:59:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dcmail0.dc.gov (dcmail1b.dc.gov [151.200.161.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34FxOZ22148 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:59:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcmail2a.dc.gov ([10.128.7.14]) by dcmail0.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020404155923.QSIZ17656.dcmail0@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:59:23 -0500 Received: from dcopexch.dcop.dcgov.org ([164.82.14.6]) by dcmail2a.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020404155923.SNMD603.dcmail2a@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:59:23 -0500 Received: by DCOPEXCH with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:55:28 -0500 Message-ID: <2344588A203AD311B795009027626986360333@CWDEXCH0> From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: dealers and credit scores Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:58:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have a friend who is gonna explode if he doesn't get a new bike (or so he claims). He's been to several local dealers (Clinton Cycles, Coleman, not sure where else) and keeps getting denied financing because of his credit. I advised him to either buy something in the price range of the cash he has now ($3K), or keep the bike he has now and save up and buy later when he has more cash, but that did not fly too well. (You know how those young'uns can be) I've never financed a bike, never financed a car, even when I buy new. I hate credit and loans and the like so this world is completely foreign to me. Can anyone recommend a dealer that is a little more willing to work with someone with damaged credit? He doesn't mind taking a lengthy road trip. Any other suggestions will be passed along. Thanks!!! Patti the Lantech '95 Virago 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 11:13:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g34GDmZ22448 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:13:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020404161347.86134.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 08:13:47 PST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:13:47 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: dealers and credit scores To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2344588A203AD311B795009027626986360333@CWDEXCH0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If he has a checking (and hopefully savings) account then he should try his bank, they might be more inclined to give him a loan since he is already a customer. And then he should buy my 2001 CBR600F4i. --- "Lantech (DCOP)" wrote: > I have a friend who is gonna explode if he doesn't > get a new bike (or so he > claims). He's been to several local dealers > (Clinton Cycles, Coleman, not > sure where else) and keeps getting denied financing > because of his credit. > I advised him to either buy something in the price > range of the cash he has > now ($3K), or keep the bike he has now and save up > and buy later when he has > more cash, but that did not fly too well. (You know > how those young'uns can > be) > > I've never financed a bike, never financed a car, > even when I buy new. I > hate credit and loans and the like so this world is > completely foreign to > me. Can anyone recommend a dealer that is a little > more willing to work > with someone with damaged credit? He doesn't mind > taking a lengthy road > trip. Any other suggestions will be passed along. > > Thanks!!! > > Patti the Lantech > '95 Virago 750 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 11:23:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34GNCZ22631 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:23:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g34GN6q02402; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:23:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:23:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200204041623.g34GN6q02402@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: re: dealers and credit scores Patti the Lantech asks - I have a friend who is gonna explode if he doesn't get a new bike (or so he claims). He's been to several local dealers (Clinton Cycles, Coleman, not sure where else) and keeps getting denied financing because of his credit. Unfortunate. I don't know of any lending institution that considers motorcycle loans as anything but a 'discretionary' loan - like a personal loan. In fact, at a lot of banks, you can get better rates on a personal loan, than one for a motorcycle ! You didn't say what specifically about his credit - poor payment history - too much revolving debt - not enough credit history - combination of the above, resulting poor credit scores Since you're not asking about how to clear wrong info on a credit report, chances are they soon to be exploded one knows about it, and simply can't obtain financing on his own. That being the case, his options are limited. Probably the two paths of least resistance are - a cosigner - a collateral loan (he uses his $$$ as security) - as an alternative, (s)he can get a loan against their 401k if they have one, and the interest is paid to themselves. I don't think this kind of loan can be counted against a credit score. I advised him to either buy something in the price range of the cash he has now ($3K), or keep the bike he has now and save up and buy later when he has more cash, but that did not fly too well. (You know how those young'uns can be) Your advice was more sound than ALL of the suggestions I made above. Try again, using this example. In '93, having been riding for about a year, I inherited some money... and, had been lusting after the ZX11. I had enough for most of a bike, but nowhere NEAR enough for insurance, the cheapest quote of which was $2800.00 / year... Geico wanted $4000.00 / year... THAT killed it for me. But then I decided, after seeking help here on DCC :-) A 90-93 C model was every bit as powerful, and cost 35% as much to insure. I ended up with the bike I have now, a VERY nice '90 ZX11, took all that money I would've spent in insurance & payments & bought gear, so I could at least look like a non poseur, etc... As recent as a year ago, someone asked me if my ZX11 was new... I've never financed a bike, never financed a car, even when I buy new. I hate credit and loans and the like so this world is completely foreign to me. Can anyone recommend a dealer that is a little more willing to work with someone with damaged credit? He doesn't mind taking a lengthy road trip. Any other suggestions will be passed along. If his/her bank won't loan the money, and the 401k option won't work, then they need a used bike, period. That's a better option anyway. $3k will get a decent used bike, no problem. $4k a really nice one. Impress the financial wisdom of this decision upon them... HTH Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 11:24:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13908.mail.yahoo.com (web13908.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g34GO9Z22641 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:24:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020404162408.16791.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.76.2] by web13908.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 08:24:08 PST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:24:08 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: dealers and credit scores To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020404161347.86134.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does your friend have access to a credit union? Better rates than the dealer will give and probably more lenient. > > --- "Lantech (DCOP)" wrote: > > I have a friend who is gonna explode if he doesn't > > get a new bike (or so he > > claims). He's been to several local dealers > > (Clinton Cycles, Coleman, not > > sure where else) and keeps getting denied > financing > > because of his credit. > > I advised him to either buy something in the price > > range of the cash he has > > now ($3K), or keep the bike he has now and save up > > and buy later when he has > > more cash, but that did not fly too well. (You > know > > how those young'uns can > > be) > > > > I've never financed a bike, never financed a car, > > even when I buy new. I > > hate credit and loans and the like so this world > is > > completely foreign to > > me. Can anyone recommend a dealer that is a > little > > more willing to work > > with someone with damaged credit? He doesn't mind > > taking a lengthy road > > trip. Any other suggestions will be passed along. > > > > Thanks!!! > > > > Patti the Lantech > > '95 Virago 750 > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 11:58:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f267.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.142]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34GwVZ23264 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:58:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:47:14 -0800 Received: from 68.48.113.73 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 16:47:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.48.113.73] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Thanks for the info on Criswell... Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 11:47:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2002 16:47:14.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FB2A4C0:01C1DBF8] Thanks George, Wayne, and Howard for your comments on Criswell. I've spent some there this week and now I need to decide if that is what's best for me right now. Just wanted to say I appreciate your replies. Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 13:06:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34I64Z24394 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:06:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:06:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200204041306.AA516424284@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: TV on a cellphone X-Mailer: Just what BDC's need: a TV on their cellphones! http://electronicproducts.com/ShowPage.asp?SECTION=3700&PRIMID=&FileName =APROL5.apr2002 From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 13:48:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34ImLZ25140 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:48:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w054 ([168.144.108.54]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:44:48 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: Okay, fess up! Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:44:48 -0500 To: "michael.brocchi@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2002 18:44:49.0165 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC7C93D0:01C1DC08] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g34ImNZ25141 Mike, The scenery is more ... uh, revealing ... at the places I suggested in DC -- Archibald's, Joanna's, and Camelot -- than at the venerable Crystal City Restaurant. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:01:25 -0500 To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Okay, fess up! Well well well, I want to thank everyone for their suggestions for DC lunchtime rides, but this discussion has won me over. I think my lunchtime rides will heading down to Crystal City for some exploration of the South Arlington area. Interested parties are more than welcome to join me, Bill I will keep you posted of my findings. -Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 14:03:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g34J3hZ25392 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 9026 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 11:03:31 -0800 Received: from 209.228.32.178 (HELO mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 11:03:31 -0800 X-Sent: 4 Apr 2002 19:03:31 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 11:03:30 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: michael.brocchi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: RE: RE: Okay, fess up! X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 11:03:30 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020404110331.11429.c002-h014.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote > > Mike, > > The scenery is more ... uh, revealing ... at the places I suggested in DC -- Archibald's, Joanna's, and Camelot -- than at the venerable Crystal City Restaurant. > I had a lot of fun at Archibald's...per Chuck's recommendation...so I second that! LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 14:21:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f49.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34JLlZ25692 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:21:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:10:11 -0800 Received: from 206.11.149.33 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 19:10:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [206.11.149.33] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: lgranato@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: michael.brocchi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Okay, fess up! Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 14:10:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2002 19:10:11.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[58195CE0:01C1DC0C] Good Guys is even better. ;-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: "LAURA GRANATO" > > >I had a lot of fun at Archibald's...per Chuck's >recommendation...so I second that! > >LAG > > >________________________________________________ >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >http://www.peoplepc.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 14:29:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34JTiZ25792 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w066 ([168.144.108.66]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:29:43 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: RE: Okay, fess up! Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:29:43 -0500 To: "gingerdc9@XXXXXX" , "lgranato@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2002 19:29:44.0084 (UTC) FILETIME=[12C89540:01C1DC0F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g34JTjZ25793 Not that I don't appreciate naked young women, but I would have to respectfully disagree with Jeannette's opinion. But certainly Good Guys should be included on any scenic DC ride list. Original Message: ----------------- From: Jeannette Zell gingerdc9@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 14:10:11 -0500 To: lgranato@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX, michael.brocchi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Okay, fess up! Good Guys is even better. ;-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: "LAURA GRANATO" > > >I had a lot of fun at Archibald's...per Chuck's >recommendation...so I second that! > >LAG > > >________________________________________________ >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >http://www.peoplepc.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 14:34:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34JYOZ25887 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:34:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.15b.bc5fb02 (3844) for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:33:52 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <15b.bc5fb02.29de04a0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:33:52 EST Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 In a message dated 4/4/02 2:32:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: Not that I don't appreciate naked young women, but I would have to respectfully disagree with Jeannette's opinion. But certainly Good Guys should be included on any scenic DC ride list. So why don't you organize one of the bike nights at these places? Heck...I'd probably force myself to make it. :-)) From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 14:44:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34Ji2Z26082 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay01.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g34JhtrO016785 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:44:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com ([10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GU26T700.75O for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:43:55 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GU26T600.P9P for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:43:54 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:43:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <15b.bc5fb02.29de04a0@aol.com> Message-Id: <480CA25A-4804-11D6-9962-003065B452D2@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) > In a message dated 4/4/02 2:32:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, > cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > Not that I don't appreciate naked young women, but I would have to > respectfully disagree with Jeannette's opinion. But certainly Good Guys > should be included on any scenic DC ride list. Never really liked Good Guys. Camelot was always my first choice. Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 14:44:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dcmail0.dc.gov (dcmail1b.dc.gov [151.200.161.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34JiFZ26092 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcmail2a.dc.gov ([10.128.7.14]) by dcmail0.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020404194414.RNFB17656.dcmail0@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:44:14 -0500 Received: from dcopexch.dcop.dcgov.org ([164.82.14.6]) by dcmail2a.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020404194414.SXRK603.dcmail2a@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:44:14 -0500 Received: by DCOPEXCH with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:40:19 -0500 Message-ID: <2344588A203AD311B79500902762698636033A@CWDEXCH0> From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: RE: Okay, fess up! Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:43:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>The scenery is more ... uh, revealing ... at the places I suggested in DC -- Archibald's, Joanna's, and Camelot One afternoon I stopped by Joanna's to pick one of the DJ's up for a trip to the Orioles game. I should have asked him to meet me outside because, unbeknownst to me, a friend who was working there (putting herself through law school, no less) was on shift that day. As fate would have it, it was her turn to dance just when I walked in, and I learned a *little* more about her than I EVER wanted to know! Talk about Too Much Information... -patti From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 14:46:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34Jk1Z26160 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:46:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w085.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.85]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:46:00 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Okay, fess up! Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:46:00 -0500 To: "skeener2@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2002 19:46:00.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[58CCDC20:01C1DC11] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g34Jk2Z26161 Scott ... er, Steve ... no, Scott ... I mean, Steve ... Perhaps you did not see my previous email about guns and my wife. I could probably get away with organizing a bachelor party or some other traditional all-guy event to go to such places (not that I have any personal desire to look at naked women, mind you!), but I serioudly doubt I could pass muster organizing a Bike Night there. OTOH, if someone else (you perhaps?) took it upon themselves to do the organizing... Original Message: ----------------- From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:33:52 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! In a message dated 4/4/02 2:32:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: Not that I don't appreciate naked young women, but I would have to respectfully disagree with Jeannette's opinion. But certainly Good Guys should be included on any scenic DC ride list. So why don't you organize one of the bike nights at these places? Heck...I'd probably force myself to make it. :-)) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 15:00:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34K06Z26480 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:00:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g34K00S28628; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:00:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:00:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200204042000.g34K00S28628@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! Chuck, still on time out from the last time he went to Bike Night when there were WOMEN present, mournfully moaned - Scott ... er, Steve ... no, Scott ... I mean, Steve ... Perhaps you did not see my previous email about guns and my wife. I could probably get away with organizing a bachelor party or some other traditional all-guy event to go to such places (not that I have any personal desire to look at naked women, mind you!), but I serioudly doubt I could pass muster organizing a Bike Night there. Good thing you work where they don't mind guys wearin' skirts, Chuck, 'cause your wife clearly wears the pants... ! here's how you do it- 'honey, we're having bike night at the XXX club tonight, of course you're welcome to come with me'. 'yes, of course, honey, there will be other women there from DCC' 'what's that? you're not going? ok, but we're going to talk about you anyway. See you when I get back' Oh, and Chuck, TOWMBO said to tell you that the make up foundation you use is not a good match for your skin tone... you don't want to have a shiny face for the cameras now Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 15:08:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f24.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.24]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34K82Z26609 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:08:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:56:26 -0800 Received: from 206.11.149.33 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 19:56:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [206.11.149.33] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 14:56:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2002 19:56:26.0367 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDD190F0:01C1DC12] Never been there. Isn't that place all fake boobs and fake blondes? That's what I've heard anyway. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: Sean Jordan >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! >Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:43:47 -0500 >Never really liked Good Guys. Camelot was always my first choice. > > >Sean Jordan >Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 15:25:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13002.mail.yahoo.com (web13002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g34KOxZ26880 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:24:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020404202450.24830.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.122.14] by web13002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 12:24:50 PST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:24:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Wow - Chuck was on MSNBC! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200204041349.g34DnkH04612@atlanta.pop3now.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Actually, when I heard him on Fox a few days back, Chuck did DCC > proud - no muttering, stammering, stumbling, and a good answer for > everything the talking head threw at him. Fortunately he can't say %^) verbally. ;-) <-- Kidding Chuck!! Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 15:44:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14610.mail.yahoo.com (web14610.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.242]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g34KiLZ27193 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:44:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020404204420.54156.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 12:44:20 PST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:44:20 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <480CA25A-4804-11D6-9962-003065B452D2@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Sean Jordan wrote: > > In a message dated 4/4/02 2:32:09 PM Eastern Standard > Time, > > cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > > > Not that I don't appreciate naked young women, but I > would have to > > respectfully disagree with Jeannette's opinion. But > certainly Good Guys > > should be included on any scenic DC ride list. > > Never really liked Good Guys. Camelot was always my first > choice. says sean "classy" jordan.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 15:54:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34KsBZ27382 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w068 ([168.144.108.68]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:54:09 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Okay, fess up! Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:54:09 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2002 20:54:10.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE63D6F0:01C1DC1A] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g34KsCZ27383 And your point is??? Original Message: ----------------- Never been there. Isn't that place all fake boobs and fake blondes? That's what I've heard anyway. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 16:00:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34L0KZ27555 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:00:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay01.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g34L0JN2005330 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GU2ACI00.9B0 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:00:18 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GU2ACH00.N4B for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:00:17 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:00:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020404204420.54156.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) On Thursday, April 4, 2002, at 03:44 , Tom Gimer wrote: > says sean "classy" jordan.... Not making any pretense of being classy or not; merely stating my preference for Camelot. Nexus Gold Club (a block or two off of Capitol Hill) is the place for bling-blingers. That's where I ended up having a few unexpected drinks with Dr. Dre one very bizarre evening. Big place, usually not a lot of people. Not as much fun; has that "empty" feel to it, and the dancers are always hitting everyone up for table dances. Good Guys has the whole "x drinks per y hours thing", and they hustle everyone in and out. Not my bag. Camelot is (relatively) quiet, dark, and the dancers are generally friendly. Much better atmosphere for having a few drinks, relaxing with friends, and getting rid of all those pesky $1 bills that have been piling up in your wallet. Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 16:22:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f85.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34LMYZ27870 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:22:27 -0800 Received: from 206.11.149.33 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 21:22:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [206.11.149.33] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Okay, fess up! Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 16:22:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2002 21:22:27.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[D25722A0:01C1DC1E] Fake = not good Real = good - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" >Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX >To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" >Subject: RE: Re: Okay, fess up! >Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:54:09 -0500 > >And your point is??? > >Original Message: >----------------- > >Never been there. Isn't that place all fake boobs and fake blondes? >That's what I've heard anyway. > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >mail2web - Check your email from the web at >http://mail2web.com/ . > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 17:53:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g34MrAZ29206 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:53:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020404225308.54357.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 14:53:08 PST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:53:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Sean Jordan wrote: > > On Thursday, April 4, 2002, at 03:44 , Tom Gimer wrote: > > says sean "classy" jordan.... > > Not making any pretense of being classy or not; merely > stating my > preference for Camelot. i was under the impression that, historically, camelot was considered a "classy" strip joint....and good guys a "dirty" one -- tg (fan of the dirty) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 18:23:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g34NNKZ29682 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 18:23:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-180-187.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.43.180.187] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16tGZJ-00062A-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 15:23:01 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020404182023.00b039b0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 18:24:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: Re: Okay, fess up! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Well, there is that nudie bar poker run coming up in a week or two. A few of us from Crystal City rode it last year (of course we were the only non-Harleys), beginning in Springfield, and it was a pretty good tour, including the Crystal City Restaurant. Chris L is the resident expert who can provide details. Chris? -- Larry At 02:46 PM 4/4/2002, cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: >Scott ... er, Steve ... no, Scott ... I mean, Steve ... > >Perhaps you did not see my previous email about guns and my wife. I could >probably get away with organizing a bachelor party or some other >traditional all-guy event to go to such places (not that I have any >personal desire to look at naked women, mind you!), but I serioudly doubt >I could pass muster organizing a Bike Night there. OTOH, if someone else >(you perhaps?) took it upon themselves to do the organizing... > >Original Message: >----------------- >From: SKeener2@XXXXXX >Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:33:52 EST >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! > > >In a message dated 4/4/02 2:32:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, >cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > >Not that I don't appreciate naked young women, but I would have to >respectfully disagree with Jeannette's opinion. But certainly Good Guys >should be included on any scenic DC ride list. > >So why don't you organize one of the bike nights at these places? Heck...I'd >probably force myself to make it. :-)) > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >mail2web - Check your email from the web at >http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 19:27:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g350RnZ00880 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:27:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020405002748.54103.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.78.122.132] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 16:27:48 PST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:27:48 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Pics of 2001 CBR600F4i To: CBR List , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A couple people asked for pictures of the 2001 CBR600F4i I am selling, so here they are. Go to: http://www.geocities.com/stephen_cutchins/ The files start with "CBR", there are ones of each side, the dash, a closeup of the stainless front lines, and one of the tank protector. The only picture I don't like is of the tank protector, the flash made it look a lot brighter than it really is. It is carbon, so it looks black. BTW I got it from Lockhart Phillips, it looks VERY good on the CBR, those of you with one might check it out. You can check out the other pictures also, I have a bunch of me with people at Road Atlanta a few years ago, a couple of my dearly departed Aprilia RSV Mille - one is a very good action shot from a race at Summit Point Raceway. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 19:53:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g350r7Z01320 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-73.patriot.net [209.249.181.73]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g350r0S16383; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:53:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3CACF501.1B5FB450@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 19:51:13 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette Zell CC: lgranato@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX, michael.brocchi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NOOOO! I've been banned for life from Good Guys! Those bouncers have ZERO sense of humor... Bill Jeannette Zell wrote: > Good Guys is even better. ;-) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > >From: "LAURA GRANATO" > > > > >I had a lot of fun at Archibald's...per Chuck's > >recommendation...so I second that! > > > >LAG > > > > > >________________________________________________ > >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > >http://www.peoplepc.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 19:53:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g350rqZ01330 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:53:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id k.160.b960594 (3984); Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:53:21 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <160.b960594.29de4f81@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:53:21 EST Subject: Re: Ride This Weekend? To: alauro@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_160.b960594.29de4f81_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_160.b960594.29de4f81_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit alauro@XXXXXX writes: > Or anyone interested > in a very leisurely paced ride (still getting used to the new bike) around > VA on either Saturday or Sunday? I vote for Saturday... Steve Broadstreet ZX-9R --part1_160.b960594.29de4f81_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit alauro@XXXXXX writes:

Or anyone interested
in a very leisurely paced ride (still getting used to the new bike) around
VA on either Saturday or Sunday?


  I vote for Saturday...

Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9R
--part1_160.b960594.29de4f81_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 20:00:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35101Z01516 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:00:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p61.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.189]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g350xsCl015166 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:59:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" Cc: Subject: RE: Okay, fess up! Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:59:37 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c1dc3d$2ca1c6c0$bd82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3CACF501.1B5FB450@patriot.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Bill laments - NOOOO! I've been banned for life from Good Guys! Those bouncers have ZERO sense of humor... Bill Details... ??? Please ??? ;-) Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 20:12:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g351C7Z01696 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:12:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-63.215.159.155.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([63.215.159.155] helo=ix.netcom.com) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16tIGl-0008Qb-00; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 20:11:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3CACF62E.6030407@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 19:56:14 -0500 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette Zell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And your point is??? %^) Jeannette Zell wrote: > Fake = not good > Real = good From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 20:32:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g351WEZ01991 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:32:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p61.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.189]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g351WBCl018988 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:32:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" Cc: Subject: RE: Okay, fess up! Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:31:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c1dc41$9edf3de0$bd82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3CACF62E.6030407@ix.netcom.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Chuck reiterates - And your point is??? %^) The fake ones don't have the same 'Charmin squeeze' ala Mr. Whipple, feel to them, Chuck. Any TRUE connoisseur of fine adult entertainment would know that... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Jeannette Zell wrote: > Fake = not good > Real = good From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 20:40:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g351eJZ02100 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-180-187.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.43.180.187] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16tIi3-0002gn-00; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 17:40:11 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020404203957.00b36158@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 20:41:30 -0500 To: "Dave Yates" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: Okay, fess up! Cc: In-Reply-To: <000601c1dc41$9edf3de0$bd82c0cf@nih.gov> References: <3CACF62E.6030407@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:31 PM 4/4/2002, Dave Yates wrote: > The fake ones don't have the same 'Charmin squeeze' ala Mr. >Whipple, feel to them, Chuck. The damn things can put your eye out! Wasn't there a court case that demonstrated just that a few years ago? -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 22:17:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g353GxZ03572 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-73.patriot.net [209.249.181.73]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g353GuS12530; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:16:56 -0500 Message-ID: <3CAD16BD.155D65A9@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 22:15:09 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! References: <000501c1dc3d$2ca1c6c0$bd82c0cf@nih.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > Bill laments - > > NOOOO! I've been banned for life from Good Guys! Those bouncers have > ZERO sense of humor... > > Bill > > Details... ??? Please ??? ;-) While stumbling out of the Good Guys I paused to give the dancer a tip which I suffed in her garter belt. She thanked me by turning around and wiggling her cute ass right in my face! Now I ask you, what's a seriously imebriated good ol' `Murican male gonna do with an invite like that? So I... er ... um... *blush* The roid enhanced neaderthal bouncer grabbed me outside the door and screamed "You're banned for life" and accused me of biting her on the ass! Nonono, roid-boy, I KISSED her on the ass - no biting. That's my story an' I'm sticking to it. BTW - she was a natural strawberry blonde. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 22:20:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g353KEZ03670 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:20:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-73.patriot.net [209.249.181.73]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g353K8S13218; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:20:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3CAD177D.DDC9E73B@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 22:18:21 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! References: <3CACF62E.6030407@ix.netcom.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020404203957.00b36158@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > At 08:31 PM 4/4/2002, Dave Yates wrote: > > > The fake ones don't have the same 'Charmin squeeze' ala Mr. > >Whipple, feel to them, Chuck. > > The damn things can put your eye out! Wasn't there a court case that > demonstrated just that a few years ago? > > -- Larry Dang! I thought it was squeezing the *other* thang that made you go blind. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 4 22:20:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g353KsZ03690 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g353Irb09934 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:18:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:18:53 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Okay, fess up! In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020404203957.00b36158@mail.9netave.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Larry Larson wrote: > The damn things can put your eye out! Wasn't there a court case that > demonstrated just that a few years ago? > Or smother you to death. http://entertainment.yahoo.com/entnews/wwn/20020116/101119320009.html Hugh From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 05:05:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35A58Z10056 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 05:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-6-137.s1661.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.6.137] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16tQaf-0004q6-00; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 05:05:08 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt bike helmet vs street helmet Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 05:14:02 -0500 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g35A5DZ10057 I was thinking.. if you angle the visor right, it may push down instead of catching wind.. or it may keep your head straight. I don't know.. dual sporters run it though. Let me know your results. Danny From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 08:49:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mx-relay2.treas.gov (mx-relay2.treas.gov [199.196.144.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35DngZ13185 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:49:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tias4.treas.gov (tias-gw4.treas.gov [199.196.144.14]) by mx-relay2.treas.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with SMTP id g35DmCl18070 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from no.name.available by tias4.treas.gov via smtpd (for mx-relay.treas.gov [199.196.144.6]) with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 13:49:42 UT Received: from fw2.do.treas.gov. (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub-4.net.treas.gov (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with SMTP id g35DfxY26160 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.20.75.25] by fw2.do.treas.gov. via smtpd (for mailhub.net.treas.gov [10.7.14.14]) with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 13:49:40 UT Received: from msbr02.do.treas.gov ([10.75.192.146]) by vms.do.treas.gov (PMDF V6.1-1 #41007) with ESMTP id <01KG75RXYRDI8Y531R@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 08:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by msbr02.do.treas.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2JL493K6>; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 08:49:23 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 08:49:22 -0500 From: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Chain tightening To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks everyone for the advice on tightening the chain, it is the perfect tension now, BUT... (of course you should expect the but) I think my chain has been stretching... I'm now getting some grinding from the engine side of the chain, almost as if it's not in the right grooves. Can anyone prescribe a remedy for this issue? And if the eventual solution is a new chain, what chain? and where to buy and have it installed? Bike Info: 2000 Bandit 600cc 10,000 miles TIA, Mike From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 08:56:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35DuVZ13310 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:56:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-46.patriot.net [209.249.181.46]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g35DuSS13002; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:56:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3CADACA1.13842F94@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 08:54:41 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain tightening References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX wrote: > Thanks everyone for the advice on tightening the chain, it is the perfect > tension now, BUT... (of course you should expect the but) > I think my chain has been stretching... I'm now getting some grinding from > the engine side of the chain, almost as if it's not in the right grooves. > Can anyone prescribe a remedy for this issue? And if the eventual solution > is a new chain, what chain? and where to buy and have it installed? > Bike Info: > 2000 Bandit 600cc > 10,000 miles > > TIA, > Mike Hmm... Might be time to check the condition of the sprockets. Excessive sprocket wear causes premature chain destruction, and sloppy chain adjustment can cause the sprockets to go south. This can occur in a few thousand miles. Bill Luv my belt drive... From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 08:58:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35DwkZ13394 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:58:46 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYFeiTm6gNxHV5k2E6bZX6X3QZSnIR5U+aQEoENV4YkFDzkL3vEUQoJBdYYoBIO3As= Received: from [204.245.128.130] (helo=jstrang) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16tUEn-0007Yu-00; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 08:58:45 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "William J. Huson" , Subject: RE: Okay, fess up! Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:58:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3CAB57BA.31B70BA6@patriot.net> She works there. A co-worker of mine (not a lister) who has a cbr900rr eats lunch at CCR regularly and strikes out with her regularly. --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:28 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Okay, fess up! > > > Does one of our female listers have a rather interesting occupation? > > Spied a bright yellow Suzuki sportbike this AM. Hmm... appears to be a > female rider from the curve of her posterior and almost down-to-the-ass > hair braid. I catch a light and she's gone, but wait! Minutes later > I'm chugging down 23rd street in Crystal City and I spy the bike again. > Apparently she overshot a parking space and she's backing and filling to > turn the bike around. Now I'm not very picky, any female warm and > breathing is okay with me, but this one was in the *hottie* range. And > I recall seeing that yellow bike parked there yesterday! > > Where is "there"? In very close proximity to the CCR = Crystal City > Restaurant, which in addition to serving up meals allows a number of > females to demonstrate their dancing skills while attired in a G-string > and pasties. > > So is babe on the yellow bike a lister? And if not, Chuck, Mark, get > on it! Just think, recruit this one and convince her to attend Bike > Nights and the attendance would rocket thru the roof! > > Bill > ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 09:18:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f208.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.208]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35EI9Z13743 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:18:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 06:06:09 -0800 Received: from 64.24.91.102 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 14:06:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.24.91.102] From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: mechanic in the area Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 15:06:08 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2002 14:06:09.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[08E97340:01C1DCAB] Hello, my honda vfr 98 is giving me electrical problems. IS there anyone who could suggest a good honda mechanic? thank you, pierfrancesco consalvo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 09:24:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35EOcZ13868 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:24:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g35EOZM17327; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:24:35 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chain tightening Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:24:34 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02040509243400.11741@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 05 April 2002 08:49, Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX wrote: > Thanks everyone for the advice on tightening the chain, it is the perfect > tension now, BUT... (of course you should expect the but) > I think my chain has been stretching... I'm now getting some grinding from > the engine side of the chain, almost as if it's not in the right grooves. > Can anyone prescribe a remedy for this issue? And if the eventual solution > is a new chain, what chain? and where to buy and have it installed? > Bike Info: > 2000 Bandit 600cc > 10,000 miles Mike, I'm assuming by your questions that in 10k miles this is the first attention you've paid to the chain - if that is the case, it's probably done and needs to be replaced. A EK O-Ring chain will set you back $100, and someone on the list can probably help you out with putting it on (all you need is a chain tool to break the old one, then size and press together the new one). You also need to take a good look at your sprockets. A mis-adjusted or kinked chain can chew them up pretty easily. If the teeth are badly worn on either side, or are oddly shaped (very thin and pointy, rounded on top, etc) you'll want to replace them as well. With the new chain, give it a good clean with WD-40 and a brush every once and a while (O-Ring chains are internally lubricated and only need to be cleaned and protected from corrosion). - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 09:26:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.wheatintl.com ([209.120.170.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35EQaZ13894 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client94.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.94]) by smtp.wheatintl.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g35EQUO04107 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:26:31 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020405092447.0222f238@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 09:26:29 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: mechanic in the area In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I like Manassas Honda - but not for electrical problems. After two trips I had to explain the problem to _them_ and make them fix it. What sort of electrical problems are you having? (one track mind, but they all seem to be RR/Stator/Battery related) At 09:06 AM 4/5/2002, you wrote: >my honda vfr 98 is giving me electrical problems. IS there anyone who >could suggest a good honda mechanic? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 09:37:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35Eb7Z14216 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:37:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.29]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020405143647.ZRRQ8815.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:36:47 +0000 Received: from [12.101.4.236] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 14:36:46 +0000 From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: dealers and credit scores Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 14:36:46 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 27 2002) Message-Id: <20020405143647.ZRRQ8815.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> I am not sure about banks, since I get my loans through my credit union, but my credit union allows loans for NEW motorcycles (must be first owner from a dealer) at the same rate as a NEW car. The only stipulation is that they will only finance 80% of the value. They feel that requiring 20% ownership of the motorcycle will inspire the owner to be more careful with their investment. I had a similar problem with purchasing my present bike, not from poor credit but from a high debt to income ratio, so I was unable to get financing directly from the dealer. Of course, the "financing" available from most motorcycle dealers is crappy anyways, and I was going to transfer the loan later on anyways, so I don't know whay I even tried to get financing from the dealer... My credit union approved the loan right away though. -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star Classic Unfortunate. I don't know of any lending institution that considers motorcycle loans as anything but a 'discretionary' loan - like a personal loan. In fact, at a lot of banks, you can get better rates on a personal loan, than one for a motorcycle ! You didn't say what specifically about his credit - poor payment history - too much revolving debt - not enough credit history - combination of the above, resulting poor credit scores ------------------------------------------------ Get the award winning ISP, AT&T WorldNet Service http://download.att.net/webtag From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 09:50:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35Eo6Z14459 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:50:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-46.patriot.net [209.249.181.46]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g35Eo4S29619; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:50:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3CADB931.5AE4884F@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 09:48:18 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jmstrang@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought so. Didn't see the yellow scoot yesterday and I don't expect to see it today. It is a bit *nipplely* out. She'd probably have to use a hair dryer to warm them ~down~ so she could glue the pasties on. Which prompts a physiological question ??? While riding one's scoot [moto-content], why does a chill breeze cause a female's headlights to go on high-beam, so to speak, whereas the same chill wind causes certain male body parts to run for cover? ponder ponder ponder.... Bill Jon Strang wrote: > She works there. A co-worker of mine (not a lister) who has a cbr900rr eats > lunch at CCR regularly and strikes out with her regularly. > > --jon > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:28 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Okay, fess up! > > > > > > Does one of our female listers have a rather interesting occupation? > > > > Spied a bright yellow Suzuki sportbike this AM. Hmm... appears to be a > > female rider from the curve of her posterior and almost down-to-the-ass > > hair braid. I catch a light and she's gone, but wait! Minutes later > > I'm chugging down 23rd street in Crystal City and I spy the bike again. > > Apparently she overshot a parking space and she's backing and filling to > > turn the bike around. Now I'm not very picky, any female warm and > > breathing is okay with me, but this one was in the *hottie* range. And > > I recall seeing that yellow bike parked there yesterday! > > > > Where is "there"? In very close proximity to the CCR = Crystal City > > Restaurant, which in addition to serving up meals allows a number of > > females to demonstrate their dancing skills while attired in a G-string > > and pasties. > > > > So is babe on the yellow bike a lister? And if not, Chuck, Mark, get > > on it! Just think, recruit this one and convince her to attend Bike > > Nights and the attendance would rocket thru the roof! > > > > Bill > > > > ################################################################# > ################################################################# > ################################################################# > ##### > ##### > ##### > ################################################################# > ################################################################# > ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 09:53:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (pcp732049pcs.arlngt01.va.comcast.net [68.49.160.200]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35ErHZ14479 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:53:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (bonaire.brauhausdc.org [192.168.64.12]) by bonaire.brauhausdc.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g35Erhj13621 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:53:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:53:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: mechanic in the area In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've had good luck with the folks at Crossroad's cycle. On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Pierre C wrote: > Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 15:06:08 +0100 > From: Pierre C > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: mechanic in the area > > Hello, > my honda vfr 98 is giving me electrical problems. IS there anyone who could > suggest a good honda mechanic? > thank you, > pierfrancesco consalvo > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 10:07:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35F7EZ14756 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w046 ([168.144.108.46]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:07:13 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: Okay, fess up! Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:07:13 -0500 To: "sdave@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2002 15:07:13.0505 (UTC) FILETIME=[911EB510:01C1DCB3] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g35F7GZ14757 And I will again reiterate ... Your point is??? i.e., You would turn down a chance to squeeze either??? Original Message: ----------------- From: Dave Yates sdave@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:31:27 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Okay, fess up! Chuck reiterates - And your point is??? %^) The fake ones don't have the same 'Charmin squeeze' ala Mr. Whipple, feel to them, Chuck. Any TRUE connoisseur of fine adult entertainment would know that... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Jeannette Zell wrote: > Fake = not good > Real = good -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 10:12:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13801.mail.yahoo.com (web13801.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g35FCUZ14853 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:12:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020405151228.11983.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 07:12:28 PST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 07:12:28 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: RE: Okay, fess up! To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "sdave@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone who squeezes anything at a DC strip club will find themselves on the street with a broken nose, so beware. I feel like I am on a list with teenage boys with all this talk about strip clubs (-: --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > And I will again reiterate ... Your point is??? > i.e., You would turn down a chance to squeeze > either??? > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Dave Yates sdave@XXXXXX > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:31:27 -0500 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Okay, fess up! > > > Chuck reiterates - > > And your point is??? %^) > > > The fake ones don't have the same 'Charmin > squeeze' ala Mr. > Whipple, feel to them, Chuck. Any TRUE connoisseur > of fine adult > entertainment would know that... > > > Dave Yates > '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' > LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > > > > Jeannette Zell wrote: > > > Fake = not good > > Real = good > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 10:19:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35FJHZ14977 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w037 ([168.144.108.37]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:19:17 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: RE: Okay, fess up! Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:19:17 -0500 To: "markkitchell@XXXXXX" , "sdave@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2002 15:19:17.0277 (UTC) FILETIME=[40858CD0:01C1DCB5] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g35FJIZ14978 I can testify that this is not necessarily 100% true. At my bachelor party (at Joanna's many, many years ago), some squeezing definitely occurred (you'll have to ask one of the attendees for the exact details as I was ... uh, inebriated -- that's my story and I'm sticking to it!) Let's just say that our tab was in the four figures and that we were tipping the entertainment very well. And the owner essentially said that the help would have to tolerate our behavior to a certain degree. Contrary to getting thrown out and our noses bloodied, we were invited back anytime. But that was then and this is now, so YMMV. Also, I have the distinct honor of probably being one of the few people to ever talk the ownership of such an establishment to bestow a round of drinks on the house. P.S. Per Bill's posts, I doubt very seriously that you could ever get away with any of the above at Good Guys. Original Message: ----------------- From: Mark Kitchell markkitchell@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 07:12:28 -0800 (PST) To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Okay, fess up! Anyone who squeezes anything at a DC strip club will find themselves on the street with a broken nose, so beware. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 10:22:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35FMqZ15067 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:22:52 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSValG/Bm7N/YOH4tkX90TedmdklHStDIYCoNL2s1YGTtUGIzPPvoXgoAVa7LvSs4sBg= Received: from [204.245.128.130] (helo=jstrang) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16tVYC-0001YQ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 10:22:52 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Okay, fess up! Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:22:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3CADB931.5AE4884F@patriot.net> I'd suspect so, Bill. I know so, even with my manly nips. Back in my dirt bike days, I'd sweat/get hot/get wet and muddy in the really slow sections, then freeze a bit on a fast fireroad. I'd end up with sanded off nipple tips (bloody spots on the inside of my jersey). ouchy. --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: William J. Huson > Which prompts a physiological question ??? > > While riding one's scoot [moto-content], why does a chill breeze cause a > female's headlights to go on high-beam, so to speak, whereas the > same chill wind > causes certain male body parts to run for cover? ponder ponder ponder.... > From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 10:27:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35FRPZ15181 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.63.96bc1a0 (3312) for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:27:02 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <63.96bc1a0.29df1c46@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:27:02 EST Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_63.96bc1a0.29df1c46_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_63.96bc1a0.29df1c46_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/5/02 10:24:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > I'd end up with sanded off nipple tips (bloody spots on the inside of my > jersey). > Entirely too much information. I think I'm gonna go toss cookies now. --part1_63.96bc1a0.29df1c46_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/5/02 10:24:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes:


I'd end up with sanded off nipple tips (bloody spots on the inside of my
jersey).


Entirely too much information.  I think I'm gonna go toss cookies now.
--part1_63.96bc1a0.29df1c46_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 10:38:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35FcUZ15384 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w097.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.97]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:38:29 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Okay, fess up! Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:38:29 -0500 To: "skeener2@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2002 15:38:30.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF9C7A60:01C1DCB7] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g35FcWZ15385 I was just going to say the same thing. TMI! And one word: Vaseline. Original Message: ----------------- From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:27:02 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! In a message dated 4/5/02 10:24:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > I'd end up with sanded off nipple tips (bloody spots on the inside of my > jersey). > Entirely too much information. I think I'm gonna go toss cookies now. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 11:02:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14609.mail.yahoo.com (web14609.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g35G1xZ15765 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:02:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020405160159.59026.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 08:01:59 PST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:01:59 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Chain tightening To: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii fastlane cycles in chantilly seems to always have a good selection of chains and sprockets. give some thought to asking them also for a little advice on maintenance and adjustment.... --- Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX wrote: > Thanks everyone for the advice on tightening the chain, > it is the perfect > tension now, BUT... (of course you should expect the but) > I think my chain has been stretching... I'm now getting > some grinding from > the engine side of the chain, almost as if it's not in > the right grooves. > Can anyone prescribe a remedy for this issue? And if the > eventual solution > is a new chain, what chain? and where to buy and have it > installed? > Bike Info: > 2000 Bandit 600cc > 10,000 miles > > TIA, > Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 11:26:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35GQ5Z16121 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:26:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GU300B01SB08W@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:25:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GU3009HMSAZRR@XXXXXX>; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 16:25:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GU300A01SAVAF@XXXXXX>; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 16:25:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.36]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GU3008MASANBD@XXXXXX>; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 16:25:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 11:25:13 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Chain tightening To: roach@XXXXXX Cc: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3CADCFE9.481CD4B9@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <02040509243400.11741@XXXXXX> Brian Roach wrote: > > Mike, > > I'm assuming by your questions that in 10k miles this is the first attention > you've paid to the chain - if that is the case, it's probably done and needs > to be replaced. A EK O-Ring chain will set you back $100, and someone on the > list can probably help you out with putting it on (all you need is a chain > tool to break the old one, then size and press together the new one). You > also need to take a good look at your sprockets. A mis-adjusted or kinked > chain can chew them up pretty easily. If the teeth are badly worn on either > side, or are oddly shaped (very thin and pointy, rounded on top, etc) you'll > want to replace them as well. With the new chain, give it a good clean with > WD-40 and a brush every once and a while (O-Ring chains are internally > lubricated and only need to be cleaned and protected from corrosion). > > - Roach I don't know about anyone else, but I'm suddenly feeling the overwhelming urge to go out to the bike and kiss my shaft drive. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 11:42:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35GgUZ01738 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:42:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.36.25a306fa (18555) for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:42:18 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <36.25a306fa.29df2dea@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:42:18 EST Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/5/2002 10:24:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > I'd sweat/get hot/get wet and muddy in the really slow sections, > then freeze a bit on a fast fireroad. > > I'd end up with sanded off nipple tips (bloody spots on the inside of my > jersey). > Ow, Ow, Ow..... I had forgotten about that, "thanks" for the memory. There are things I would rather not remember. Now dating a girl who worked in a strip club, that memory I like. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 11:45:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35GjZZ01841 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.8e.25ce7347 (18555) for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:45:22 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8e.25ce7347.29df2ea1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:45:21 EST Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/5/2002 10:41:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > one word: Vaseline. Vaseline + sand = waterproof grinding compound. Use pasties. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 11:52:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35GqOZ01996 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:52:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.5a.962fbbb (18555) for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:52:10 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <5a.962fbbb.29df303a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:52:10 EST Subject: Re: Chain tightening To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/5/2002 8:50:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX writes: > I'm now getting some grinding from > the engine side of the chain, Hoist the rear wheel off the ground, spin the wheel slowly while checking chain tension every few inches. It sounds to me like you have a tight spot and that could put one hell of a load on your bearings and chain. You need to take it to someone (on this list?) who _knows_ chains and have them go over it with you, this can get really expensive if you do it wrong. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 11:52:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35GqnZ02006 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:52:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g35GqhK23086; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:52:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:52:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200204051652.g35GqhK23086@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Chain tightening Hork came out - I don't know about anyone else, but I'm suddenly feeling the overwhelming urge to go out to the bike and kiss my shaft drive. :) Please... This is a family list ! Besides... If you could kiss your own shaft drive, there wouldn't be much room in your life for a good woman !!! ;-) Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 16:08:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35L8QZ05911 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-47-84.s1862.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.47.84] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16tawY-0005Hb-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 16:08:22 -0500 Message-ID: <011a01c1dce6$2968b000$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Weekend rides?? Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:08:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I hate to interrupt the pasties and G-string discussion for a motorcycle topic, but there was talk of riding this weekend. Is it still on? I'm not sure if I can participate, but if there's a consensus on day/place/time I'll see what I can do. I hope to make it to Uncle Jed's on Sunday, at least. Thanks, Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 16:13:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.wheatintl.com ([209.120.170.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35LD6Z06000 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client94.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.94]) by smtp.wheatintl.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g35LCxO06555 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:12:59 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020405161058.0220f068@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 16:12:57 -0500 To: "dc-cycles list" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Weekend rides?? In-Reply-To: <011a01c1dce6$2968b000$bb82fea9@palladio1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'll be meeting another lister at the Mobil station on Liberia Rd at Signal Hill Rd in Manassas at 10am Sunday. This is for the VA Byway / 211 leisurely run. Join us. Don't forget to reset your clocks Saturday. At 04:08 PM 4/5/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: >I hate to interrupt the pasties and G-string discussion for a motorcycle >topic, but there was talk of riding this weekend. Is it still on? I'm not >sure if I can participate, but if there's a consensus on day/place/time I'll >see what I can do. I hope to make it to Uncle Jed's on Sunday, at least. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 18:05:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g35N56Z07916 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-180-160.s160.tnt3.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.180.160] helo=dtscomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16tclV-0000cS-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 18:05:05 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c1dcf6$56fa6300$a0b4accf@dtscomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Saturday ride or Sunday after church Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:05:11 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Anyone decide to ride Saturday? If so, I would be interested in joining in the fun. Or Sunday afternoon, maybe 1:00 or so. Let me know. Danny '98 VTR (For Sale) '01 Shadow Tourer (For Sale) '99 SV (race bike) '02 XR250R. www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 3/22/02 From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 5 19:30:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtpa.quixnet.net ([63.65.123.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g360U1Z09375 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from computer (1Cust254.tnt2.lorton.va.da.uu.net [67.201.65.254]) by smtpa.quixnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA28790 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:29:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000e01c1dd03$a5f93e60$fe41c943@computer> Reply-To: "Kevin Bechtel" From: "Kevin Bechtel" To: Subject: babe on yellow Suzuki Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:40:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1DCD9.BB88C040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1DCD9.BB88C040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So is babe on the yellow bike a lister? And if not, Chuck, Mark, get > on it! Just think, recruit this one and convince her to attend Bike > Nights and the attendance would rocket thru the roof! There is a Babe that works out at the same gym as I do that rides a = yellow and black 600GSXR, and happens to have a long blonde braid. I can = ask ! Oh..... her man rides a Hyabusa. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1DCD9.BB88C040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1DCD9.BB88C040-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 6 07:32:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g36CW9Z22164 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 07:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-0-72.s72.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.0.72] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16tpMW-0005Jk-00; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 07:32:09 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Clifford Zigmond" Cc: , Subject: Re: Lucky/City Riding Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 07:41:24 -0500 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g36CWQZ22165 |>as it was before. And someone flashed their red/blues at me today too. I |>didn't give it a second thought and kept filtering. If they want me let |>them come get me. Good luck to them in that traffic. All I can say is, I |>do it because I CAN. Reminds me of the time I was filtering through stopped traffic for the laurel B/W parkway exit.. I passed an unmarked cruiser, and he hit whatever to make the "err err" noise. Well I knew traffic was too backed up for him to come get me, so I just "beep beep" ed right back at him and filtered to the front as I chuckled en route. I do it because I can, and it's helpful to everyone. (i.e. more efficient). Danny 00 zx6r From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 6 07:34:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g36CY5Z22194 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 07:34:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-0-72.s72.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.0.72] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16tpOO-0005Um-00; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 07:34:05 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "mobacc" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Air Hose Revenge / Battley's compliment Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 07:43:25 -0500 Message-ID: <2artauo1ri1a7m312f34kuhpqamqtvvuq8@4ax.com> References: <013f01c1dab0$729ee600$ed38e2cf@micron> In-Reply-To: <013f01c1dab0$729ee600$ed38e2cf@micron> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g36CY6Z22195 Hmm I'll have to get one of those and tape it inside my trunk somewhere. Gosh it sucks to get the long nozzle air hoses. Danny From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 6 07:34:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g36CYoZ22214 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 07:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-0-72.s72.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.0.72] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16tpP8-0005Zc-00; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 07:34:50 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Gary Foreman" Cc: , Subject: Re: Mark Walker is Out of the Office Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 07:44:10 -0500 Message-ID: <9crtau4vrtl96u30m7g6lb3uoult3gpvve@4ax.com> References: <00a501c1db16$380a09f0$6a00a8c0@C4ZJ911> In-Reply-To: <00a501c1db16$380a09f0$6a00a8c0@C4ZJ911> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g36CYqZ22215 On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:48:17 -0500, you wrote: |>Here we go again!!! |> must.... kill.... mark.... walker... From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 6 07:40:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g36CefZ22377 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 07:40:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-0-72.s72.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.0.72] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16tpUm-00062q-00; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 07:40:41 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Pierre C" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: registration in va Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 07:50:00 -0500 Message-ID: <2jrtauojbs3k5j3n4537g8aamle1a5p8ec@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g36CegZ22378 If lanham MD is close to your commute or along your travels, there is a place called "maryland tags and title".. which tend to take care of the "stand in line and register" type of work for you. I believe they do all 3 local jurisdictions. I think they charge a small fee like $20 or $30 for their service. They didnt' require any proof of residence... but of course they may be tougher now. Danny On Wed, 03 Apr 2002 16:24:57 +0100, you wrote: |>i am going to register my bike in VA. Do they ask for proof of residence? i |>read the website, and they didn't mention anything about residence. Or do I |>have to get VA driving licence before being able to register the bike there? |>what kind of proof of residence do they ask for? do i have to have credit |>card bank bills sent over to my va location? |>thanks, |>pierfrancesco |> |> |>_________________________________________________________________ |>Join the worldM-bM-^@M-^Ys largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. |>http://www.hotmail.com |> From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 6 07:46:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g36CkfZ22544 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 07:46:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-0-72.s72.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.0.72] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16tpaa-0006Us-00; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 07:46:40 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "Lantech (DCOP)" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: It's the little things in life... Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 07:56:00 -0500 Message-ID: References: <2344588A203AD311B795009027626986360326@CWDEXCH0> <3CAB7431.B0530704@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3CAB7431.B0530704@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g36CkgZ22545 yea, if your'e going to use up 2 spaces, and your car is sooo freakin precious, park on the other side of the parking lot, away from the rest of the cars. Consider the walk as exercise, it wont' kill you. I'm still trying to figure out how there are 4 assigned parking spaces around 1 square motorcycle parking space. danny From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 6 07:48:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g36CmUZ22564 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 07:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-0-72.s72.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.0.72] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16tpcL-0006fx-00; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 07:48:30 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: A new VA DMV record? Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 07:57:50 -0500 Message-ID: <55stau01vpumjrqkrfse0e4eon3gvj05dq@4ax.com> References: <3CAB556F.FF9F33ED@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3CAB556F.FF9F33ED@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g36CmVZ22565 Amazing isnt' it. It's almost annoying when you have to go there and fill out forms and the forms are longer than the wait time.. but then I think about how it used to be so... uhm i'm not so annoyed From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 6 08:00:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g36D0jZ22815 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 08:00:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-0-72.s72.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.0.72] helo=p300) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16tpoC-0007bO-00; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 08:00:44 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Lantech (DCOP)" Cc: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: dealers and credit scores Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 08:10:04 -0500 Message-ID: References: <2344588A203AD311B795009027626986360333@CWDEXCH0> In-Reply-To: <2344588A203AD311B795009027626986360333@CWDEXCH0> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g36D0nZ22816 how about sell the bike he has now + the 3k and buy something newer but used. What kind of bike does he have now? maybe i can find him soemthing. Danny On Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:58:16 -0500 , you wrote: |>I have a friend who is gonna explode if he doesn't get a new bike (or so he |>claims). He's been to several local dealers (Clinton Cycles, Coleman, not |>sure where else) and keeps getting denied financing because of his credit. |>I advised him to either buy something in the price range of the cash he has |>now ($3K), or keep the bike he has now and save up and buy later when he has |>more cash, but that did not fly too well. (You know how those young'uns can |>be) |> |>I've never financed a bike, never financed a car, even when I buy new. I |>hate credit and loans and the like so this world is completely foreign to |>me. Can anyone recommend a dealer that is a little more willing to work |>with someone with damaged credit? He doesn't mind taking a lengthy road |>trip. Any other suggestions will be passed along. |> |>Thanks!!! |> |>Patti the Lantech |>'95 Virago 750 |> From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 6 15:25:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe45.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g36KP3U01840 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 15:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 12:13:05 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [68.50.72.74] From: "Clifford Zigmond" To: References: Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 15:13:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2002 20:13:05.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[76420680:01C1DDA7] ----- Original Message ----- From: "hcaldwell" To: Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:18 PM Subject: RE: Okay, fess up! > > On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Larry Larson wrote: > > > The damn things can put your eye out! Wasn't there a court case that > > demonstrated just that a few years ago? > > > Or smother you to death. > http://entertainment.yahoo.com/entnews/wwn/20020116/101119320009.html > > Hugh > But what a way to go! From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 7 09:08:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g37D8MU16313 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 09:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana.wheatintl.com (66-44-40-244.s244.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com [66.44.40.244]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g37D89h01342 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 09:08:10 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020407090711.029d6460@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 09:08:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Ride at 10am cancelled Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed For those planning to meet in Manassas at 10am, 2 of us won't be there. Hope this catches you before you leave home. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 N38.84810 W77.44614 From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 7 10:22:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20106.mail.yahoo.com (web20106.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g37EMJU17361 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 10:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020407142208.91697.qmail@web20106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.28.205.82] by web20106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 07:22:08 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 07:22:08 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Snow Valley MS 150 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone doing this push-bike ride in mid-May? Runs from Manassas to Fredericksburgh (I can guess at the route). PS. if you'd like to pledge please contact me off-list. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 7 10:25:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g37EPaU17385 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 10:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA18450 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 07:25:29 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020407103708.0110bee0@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 10:37:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Off Topic - Cage for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've seen some off-topic posts here (ha!), so hopefully you won't mind the shameless advertising :-) I'm selling my NBM 2001 WS6. It has 20k miles on it, the only mods are !CAGS, Borla catback and a Whisper airbox lid. I have a set of Kenny Brown DD SFCs that are powdercoated blue ready to go on the car that I will include in the deal. The car is in very good shape, except for 3 things... 1. there is a scratch on the pass side mirror 2. there is a scratch on the driver's side door 3. there is a small area of curb rash on one wheel You can see current pictures of the car (along with the mirror scratch/wheel ding) at http://www.ws6.org/forsale/ No solid price on it, KBB/Edmunds say it's worth ~19k on trade in, so make me a reasonable offer above that. I can be reached at wayne@XXXXXX or 301.639.2481 (just leave me a message). I want to move the car within the next week, so if you know anyone looking, send them my way. The car is located near Frederick, MD. Pics and specs on the car at http://www.ws6.org/ If anyone 'net savvy buys the car, I'll also transfer the ws6.org domain to them (for whatever fee I'm charged). Thanks! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 7 11:06:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20105.mail.yahoo.com (web20105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g37F6CU18050 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020407150605.51307.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.28.205.82] by web20105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 08:06:05 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 08:06:05 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: 'Tale of 2 Nighthawks' ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The title curtesy of my riding partner: Jeff Conlin. He on a '91 with nifty (and effective) Targa bodywork and me on my '95 went for just over 300 miles on Sat. From Springfield, VA we went down to Lorton and then over to Minneville road to west of Quantico via Joplin Rd. and a couple of less-traveled backroads. Wending our way over to US-17 I pointed us toward I-95 because of a time crunch, and taking the north-west route to find a bridge over the river was likely to take too long. Lunch was a road-side picnic offered by some friends checking out their new homestead. Ham and cheese tastes mighty fine. Getting ready to go I unfortunately left my helmet on the seat and a gust blew it off and broke the shield retainer. Trying to use a pen-knife led to my slicing my finger so it was off to CVS for some bandaids, glue, duct tape and a quick visit over to Morton's across the street. I was amazed, the red Triumph Speed3 was *STILL* there from last year. A quick sit confirmed the balance and ergonomics on the 905 was much better then the 509 which is what I have. >From there we just felt like exploring, so GPS on full-screen mode we headed west and north. We looked at a couple of dirt roads and thought better of it (for now). From US522/US15/US29 freshly refuelled we tried to make a bee-line for the mountains only to run into a couple of roads that got close and then just dead-ended. We considered taking a SW route to pick up US-33 and then into the Blue-ridge but we only had about 2 hours worth of daylight left. So down US-15 a little bit to route 609 which looked promising. Indeed it was fabulous!! The views of perfect blue sky and clouds, and valley views was amazing. A few pictures were snapped for posterity sake. The "Blue Ridge Turnpike" led us past the trailhead for White Oak (??) trail. The road kept going so we continued but again we were left with no place to go just shy of the hills. Turning around, Jeff to the navigation over (I'd been fired. *smile*) hung a left at 634 and we found the curviest and most challenging road yet of the day. Wow! A left turn at the T and up just a short ways yielded a Right that took us to US-522 eventually. This one was dirt, about 4 miles long I guess. I'm out of practice riding in dirt and it showed. Still it was plenty fun making large dust clouds. Jeff can sure smell out those roads. Well actually, his GPS map was better than mine and I didn't have the same level detail loaded. >From US-522N I thought 618 looked mighty good but 1/2 up the mountain it turned into dirt again. Dirt is ok and all but I didn't really want to have to ride in increasingly technical terrain on a 500lb bike on street tires at dusk. This whole section south of 211 and east of 522 is probably incredibly fun on a dual-sport. The maze of roads is extensive. Hmm, can I fit suitable tires to my GS? So I punched out and we proceeded back up 522. Lateness of the hour precluded running 211 up and back so we headed to 645 and worked ourselves back to route 55. I must say i've never run 645 west to east and it felt and looked very different. With the light failing we picked up I-66 at US-15 and blazed back to Manassas for some much needed grub and warmth. I had been using my Widder electrics all day and had been doing fine till sundown approached. I wasn't shaking but I definately felt chilled. Jeff had to have been freezing. Early afternoon it hit 50's I guess but most of the time it was a lot colder than that. Dinner was supposed to be a large slab of pig or cow but the wait and general crowds of the restaurant off of RT-28 was just too much. Note to self: don't go there on Sat evening. We walked across the street to the "International Restaurant" which was actually just a mexican place. I think it's safe to say we were the first Gringo's to visit in quite some time. The only other "misfit" there was a African fellow who by behavior (wasn't ordering food, just sitting) and size was probably an off-duty cop there for security purposes. The food was really quite good even if the DJ/singer in the corner actually believed the tiny restaurant needed all 100W that his stereo was capable of producing. I can't say I've ever eaten my dinner with earplugs in before, but it was right decent that way. I pity the young'un in the next table though. The mom had to spend the time covering her child's ears. Requests to turn the noise down fell on deaf ears. (big surprise) We made tracks for home. It was surely a long but fun day. I lost my GPS due to batteries running out some place on 645 but hopefully my bread-crumb route is still down-loadable. If anyone wants a MapSource track we should be able to provide on. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 7 11:21:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13805.mail.yahoo.com (web13805.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g37FLtU18306 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020407152154.89159.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.80.239] by web13805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 08:21:54 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 08:21:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: BIKE NIGHT TONIGHT To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Uncle Jed's, Bethesda http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 7 12:47:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20109.mail.yahoo.com (web20109.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g37GlAU19503 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 12:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020407164709.71168.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.28.205.82] by web20109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 09:47:09 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 09:47:09 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: BIKE NIGHT TONIGHT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020407152154.89159.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii geez, no GPS coordinates? *grin* I think this should get you close enough: (if mapquest can be believed) N38.98490 W77.09471 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 7 12:49:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g37GntU19528 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 12:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-180-160.s160.tnt3.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.180.160] helo=dtscomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16uFrW-00078R-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 12:49:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c1de54$405de900$a0b4accf@dtscomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020407090711.029d6460@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: Ride at 10am cancelled Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 12:49:56 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Since the 10:00 ride didn't happen, does anyone want to meet to ride sometime this afternoon? Anyone? Let me know. Danny '98 VTR (For Sale) '01 Shadow Tourer (For Sale) '99 SV (race bike) '02 XR250R. www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman To: Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 9:08 AM Subject: Ride at 10am cancelled > For those planning to meet in Manassas at 10am, 2 of us won't be > there. Hope this catches you before you leave home. > > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > N38.84810 W77.44614 > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.344 / Virus Database: 191 - Release Date: 4/2/02 From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 7 19:52:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-hub2.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub2.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g37Nq6U25596 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 19:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.61]) by smtp-hub2.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16uMS0-0000Nv-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 19:52:00 -0400 Received: from 66-44-22-215.s723.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.22.215] helo=p300) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16uMS0-0000OR-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 19:52:00 -0400 From: motopsycho_danny@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: html MC links Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 20:01:39 -0400 Message-ID: <6dn1bucvh9ep384249969keo5skh1ou1ug@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g37NrPU25597 http://www.webbikeworld.com/Motorcycle-products-and-accessories/motorcycle-products.htm here is a list of links I found, with some explanation of the links. Probably helpful to keep around. danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 03:37:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web9601.mail.yahoo.com (web9601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.180]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g387brU02579 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 03:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020408073752.10140.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [134.173.160.30] by web9601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 00:37:52 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:37:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: DP Safety school To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is anyone on the list familiar with DP Safety School? How does it compare to California Superbike or CLASS? I'm looking to take an introductory level track school. It seems that DP is a more economical alternative, as the program fees are slightly less and they don't require brand new tires. Thanks Adam Reinhardt 89 CBR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 04:07:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3887bU03112 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 04:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-22-215.s723.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.22.215] helo=p300) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16uUBc-0001bN-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 04:07:37 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: trailers wheel chocks or what... Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 04:07:09 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3887dU03113 ok I managed to wrangle up myself a trailer... 6x9 rear gate, steel beams wooding front & side railing... So now.. do I just use the front trailer wall as a stop, or should I get myself some break away wheel chocks? 6 feet wide, will i be able to put 3 modern sportbikes there side by side, or will the middle one have to be loaded backwards? Thanks Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 07:50:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38BoXU06406 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 07:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-5.patriot.net [209.249.181.5]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g38BoMp14181; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 07:50:22 -0400 Message-ID: <3CB18563.6E9D9C24@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 07:56:19 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: trailers wheel chocks or what... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Get motorcycle wheel chocks. 2 - 3 bikes all the way forward might make the tongue to heavy to lift. You don't want the load to far back either. The bikes should be positioned so that at least 10% of the total trailer/cargo wieght is on the tongue. Tongue to heavy = hernia, tongue to light = major trailer sway. Methinks 3 bikes in 6 feet will be a squeeze. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > ok I managed to wrangle up myself a trailer... > 6x9 rear gate, steel beams wooding front & side railing... > > So now.. do I just use the front trailer wall as a stop, > or should I get myself some break away wheel chocks? > > 6 feet wide, will i be able to put 3 modern sportbikes there side by > side, or will the middle one have to be loaded backwards? > > Thanks > > Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 09:02:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g38D21U07427 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 14079 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2002 06:01:54 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.170 (HELO mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 8 Apr 2002 06:01:54 -0700 X-Sent: 8 Apr 2002 13:01:54 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 06:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: o/t: what kind of lawyer do I need? X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 06:01:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020408060154.29426.c002-h006.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> OK, the renters strike again. they are trying to say that their security deposit is their last month's rent. I explained to them according to their lease that is not the case. She said she would drop the rent off on saturday...it still isn't here. according to my lease I can now give them five days to pay their rent and then evict them. What kind of lawyer do I need to help me with all of this and does anyone have any recommendations? Thanks. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 09:13:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38DDfU07629 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:13:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200204080913.AA107086434@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: SCREAM "AAHH!" BEFORE IMPACT X-Mailer: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g38DDgU07630 CAR PHONE SAFETY: SCREAM "AAHH!" BEFORE IMPACT New York, N.Y. M-^W Under pressure to do something about car accidents involving cell phones, the industry-backed Cell Phone Safety Council today launched a public service campaign urging users to "scream like hell" before impact, thereby alerting callers on the other end that there is some kind of trouble. http://www.satirewire.com/news/0007/satire-cellsafety.shtml From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 10:09:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14607.mail.yahoo.com (web14607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g38E9lU08559 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020408140946.33446.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 07:09:46 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 07:09:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: o/t: what kind of lawyer do I need? To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020408060154.29426.c002-h006.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii you need a lawyer who practices in the landlord/tenant area and in your county. search at http://www.lawyers.com [not legal advice] i don't like your odds of getting them out before the end of the month through the court system. you will find virginia's summary eviction provisions (if that's the remedy your lease provides you) in the code; and some listers have been rather good about searching va's code and providing the proper links. i thought they caused damage to your unit? are they assuming the security deposit was for some other purpose? if so, they're mistaken. good luck. --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > OK, the renters strike again. they are trying to say > that their security deposit is their last month's rent. > I explained to them according to their lease that is > not the case. > > She said she would drop the rent off on saturday...it > still isn't here. according to my lease I can now give > them five days to pay their rent and then evict them. > > What kind of lawyer do I need to help me with all of > this and does anyone have any recommendations? > > Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 10:20:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38EK4U08809 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w079 ([168.144.108.79]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:19:54 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: DP Safety school Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:19:54 -0400 To: "ajreinhardt@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2002 14:19:54.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[746AE720:01C1DF08] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g38EK5U08810 Adam, I've taken Keith Code's California Superbike School, but not attended dP Safety. IMHO, Code's school is top notch. FYI, a good friend of mine (Gary Jaehne) is an instructor for dP Safety and even though I've never taken one of their schools, I would also recommend dP based on knowing Gary. They are both good track schools (and there are others too ... STAR, Freddie Spencer, etc.) so I don't think you can go too far wrong with either one. CSS is probably more structured. Chuck P.S. dP only teaches at CA trackes, whereas CSS teaches at tracks around the country. Original Message: ----------------- From: Adam Reinhardt ajreinhardt@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:37:52 -0700 (PDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DP Safety school Is anyone on the list familiar with DP Safety School? How does it compare to California Superbike or CLASS? I'm looking to take an introductory level track school. It seems that DP is a more economical alternative, as the program fees are slightly less and they don't require brand new tires. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 10:30:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13804.mail.yahoo.com (web13804.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g38EU8U08993 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020408143006.43248.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 07:30:06 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 07:30:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: DP Safety school To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "ajreinhardt@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > P.S. dP only teaches at CA trackes, whereas CSS > teaches at tracks around the country. Hm, you would probably go through a set of tires riding out to California (-; --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > Adam, > > I've taken Keith Code's California Superbike School, > but not attended dP Safety. IMHO, Code's school is > top notch. FYI, a good friend of mine (Gary Jaehne) > is an instructor for dP Safety and even though I've > never taken one of their schools, I would also > recommend dP based on knowing Gary. They are both > good track schools (and there are others too ... > STAR, Freddie Spencer, etc.) so I don't think you > can go too far wrong with either one. CSS is > probably more structured. > > Chuck > > P.S. dP only teaches at CA trackes, whereas CSS > teaches at tracks around the country. > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Adam Reinhardt ajreinhardt@XXXXXX > Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:37:52 -0700 (PDT) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: DP Safety school > > > Is anyone on the list familiar with DP Safety > School? How does it compare to California Superbike > or CLASS? I'm looking to take an introductory level > track school. > It seems that DP is a more economical alternative, > as > the program fees are slightly less and they don't > require brand new tires. > > Thanks > > Adam Reinhardt > 89 CBR > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 10:38:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38EcJU09128 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id u.5b.25d74488 (4332); Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:38:02 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <5b.25d74488.29e3054a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:38:02 EDT Subject: Re: DP Safety school To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, ajreinhardt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5b.25d74488.29e3054a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 --part1_5b.25d74488.29e3054a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/8/02 10:25:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > I've taken Keith Code's California Superbike School, but not attended dP > Safety. IMHO, Code's school is top notch. FYI, a good friend of mine > (Gary Jaehne) is an instructor for dP Safety and even though I've never > taken one of their schools, I would also recommend dP based on knowing > Gary. They are both good track schools (and there are others too ... STAR, > Freddie Spencer, etc.) so I don't think you can go too far wrong with > either one. CSS is probably more structured. > My review from last year..... Keener ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------- My experience with the California Superbike School Level One May 16th, 2001 By Steve Keener Some background about me first. I am an expert club roadracer. I've been racing for 5 years now. I do fairly well in most events. But I know that I can do better. I believe in taking classes and taking constructive criticism to try and fix problems in my riding style. I try to take at least one class per year if not more. This year I was convinced that I would gain a lot by shelling out the big bucks and attending Keith Code's California Superbike School. I've got his Twist of the Wrist books and consider them excellent. My normal racing buddy Pete Friedman claimed that I would gain a lot from the class. Hesitant about spending $800 for 2 days I opted to try the Level 1 single day for about $400. I figured that if I liked it...I could always try to get added to the level 2 for the next day. Why would they turn away another $400? So I take a day off from work in the middle of the week. (Wed 5/16/01) I drive the 5 hours to Danville, VA on Tuesday after work. No problem, I really like the VIR facilities and enjoy the technical track quite a bit. The only downside was the weather. Instead of the forecast partly cloudy....it's mostly rainy. Still, I like riding in the wet....so it's still no issue for me. I'm riding my YZF-R6. This is the first time since I got seriously hurt on it last season. I figure that it's better to ride a stock bike than my SV700 superbike. It should expose my flaws quicker...and also let me get back on the critter. (Plus it's not going to give me a hard time on the track by not starting like some other bikes in the class. And worst case is that my SV is a nice backup bike in case I do have problems.) The day starts wet and dreary. I get to the track and it's a bit disorganized. Nothing new to a racer. I unload my bike and give it the once over looking for any problems I've missed when checking it out the previous two days at home. Nothing wrong. I meander over to the tractor trailer where they are doing registration and breakfast and get in line. Seems a bit slow...but nothing horrible. I'm not overly anxious about a mildly late start. After registration they start herding the riders into their respective groups. (Kinda like the 'herding cats' commercial.) I'm in the green group for the level one class. We go inside and do our first briefing. It's given by the man himself - Keith Code. This is the basics briefing for everybody. Flags, etiquette, passing rules, etc. Then we go into the actual meat of the session. The first briefing was about proper corner entry speed. I had heard different things about Keith's lecturing. I was surprised by his animated speaking style. He is far better than many professional speakers I've seen in the past. Things were looking up in my opinion. He discusses entry speed, throttle control, traction, and the line through a corner. It's not a new set of topics for me...I read his book several times a year picking up new things each time. At the end they give us our instructions for the first track session. No brakes and stay in 4th gear. OK, I like no brakes drills...they are an excellent teaching tool. We suit up and....wait....for about 20 minutes. Hmpf. The track is wet, I'm on a zippy R6 on Michelin Pilots. The grip is...tenuous at best. I'm as nervous as a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs. I'm a bit hesitant a couple of times on the throttle. My delivery isn't as smooth as normal. After the session I hunt up the CSS mechanic and ask about a possible tire change. He tells me he doesn't have time because he's repairing a dumped bike...but that they have the machine and I'm welcome to do it myself. I do my second briefing. It's given by Coby Fair. He's not as good a speaker as Keith. Evidently they are running on the north and south courses today. So Keith & Coby are alternating. OK by me. It's still the same course material. This one is about turning points. Still a good topic. The only drawback was that the lecture (they call them briefings) seemed a bit rushed....and short. This was going to turn out to be the theme for the day. I go to Brian Roach (Another racer & student today) He offers to change the tire for me....and I offer my spare set of Michelin rains for him to use. Nice. I didn't see an instructor on the track or afterwards from the first session. Oh well. We begin to frantically work on the two bikes. I already have a rear mounted. I just need the front changed. He does the mounting, and I pull the rims off the bikes. I get mine ready and his only needs to have them mounted at this point. I've missed my second track session. But to get the stability of the rain tires...it's entirely worth it in my opinion. Briefing number 3, given by Keith. This is about turning. It's the basics of fast versus lazy turning. Good stuff, but still well covered in his books. I think we were in there for about 20 minutes. The instructions for the track session are 2 gears and very light braking, or you can still choose 1 gear and no braking. I go for 2 gears. Just before going out I get my first bit of feedback for the day. All 15 seconds of it. Stoney Landers tells me that I was a bit hesitant on the throttle roll on in the first practice. I explain the tire issue and that I will be much smoother this session. (I was...I was monitoring myself just because of that comment. It was fair and valid.) We got out for MAYBE 20 minutes of on track time. Because I'm now on rain tires and able to brake lightly..I start rolling around the track much faster than most of the students. I expected this coming into the class, especially given the number of street riders in it. Unfortunately the rule of 8 feet of space between you and the rider you pass is in the forefront of my mind. A fellow racer was threatened to be thrown out because he came to close to another rider. The rider basically came over into his path as he was beginning to drive by. He shut down his drive, didn't pass, and got yelled at anyway. Soooo, I'm being very very cautious when passing. With the number of riders on the track it's difficult for me to reach a speed where I can actually feel like I'm accomplishing something. In this session I saw not a single instructor near me the entire time. Obviously I got no feedback from this session. Just what I was paying for. We sit and wait to be called in for our briefing. Brian Roach and his girlfriend Laura Granatto are basically yelling at their instructor that they haven't gotten much attention at all. I chime in and basically tear the poor guy and asshole that I've had about zero and am NOT happy about it. He says he will talk to the instructor about it. I figure I've spoken up for myself at this point. Briefing four. Given by Coby. This is about rider input to the bike. Basically it distills down to 'relax on the bike'. I understand this because I was already doing the arm flapping thing earlier in the day to relax. (The R6 still gets to me sometimes.) It's a very good exercise to give to riders. You can see where it helps you immediately when you do a single endurance race. I did one the previous weekend on a strange bike. I spent several laps flapping. The pace of the lecture was yet again hurried. The total time in the briefing was 15 minutes. Five minutes discussing the previous track ride, and 10 discussing the benefits of relaxing. We go out to wait yet again for 25 minutes before our track session. During this briefing Coby asks if we have gotten enough attention from our instructors. I speak up and say I've basically gotten zero. I also remind him that the last time I was here racing....he approached me out of the blue about being an instructor for the school. He remembers me and tells me that he'll have the instructors make a point of getting with me. After 'speaking' with an instructor (I have no clue who mine actually is) and with Coby about the lack of attention I figure it should be a solved problem. Track Session 4. The drill is to relax. We can use 3 gears and light braking. The track is unfortunately dry at this point, and I'm still on rains. No big deal to me. We haven't been going fast enough to really do anything. I go out and can't get a clean set of turns most anywhere. At this point I can either piss people off by passing closely or tour around the track. I'm touring. I get red flagged and called in. OK....now I'm pissed off. I've done absolutely nothing wrong to my knowledge. What was the problem? I wasn't paying enough attention to the track. I was looking at the cornerworkers. (OK...so I waved at a couple...so shoot me.) After being yelled at I then decide to go and run a couple of faster laps, damn the consequences of being yelled at. In other words, so far today I've waited 30+ minutes between sessions....roaming around learning nothing...and been yelled at. I can basically get in 3-4 laps before the end. I FINALLY started to damage the full rain tires in the dry. Only one rear slide. At the end of the session I got my second bit of instruction....relax. Yeah....so I was uptight when I was touring the track for the previous part of the day? Of yeah...that tripled the amount of instructor attention...from 15 seconds all the way to 45 seconds....total. Wait 30 minutes. Now briefing #5 given by Coby. This one is about vision. Looking where you want to go. It lasts all of 10 minutes. How do I know this? I timed briefings 4 & 5 on my watch's timer. The instructions for the next drill: all gears, do the 2 steps for a turn. Wait 25 minutes. Now go out in the last session. It's still dry. I contemplate dragging out my SV....and just turning a few hot laps. Nah. Not worth the effort at this late point. I'm pretty well resigned....the day is a total loss for me. Last session on track. I go out and it's spitting rain...very very light. I'm unable to pass well without scaring the street riders. And some of them are on large bikes...running very unstable lines around the track. I pity Robert Lee on his EX500 trying to get around the rolling chicanes out there. And to be fair....the street riders just don't know any better. All of the racers were that bad at one time. I do NOT blame them for anything. They are riding to the best of their abilities. After 2 laps (I heard them say that we would only get 18 minutes) I get pulled of the course by an instructor. He basically says that I can pass the people...it's obvious that I'm not learning anything at that pace. Gee, ya think? You miss the white expert number plates on my bike? What about the top 10 regional club number? OK, at this point I am seriously annoyed, pissed about a wasted day, and have maybe 10 minutes of track time left. So I go out and decide to run a relatively decent pace. It starts to rain. But luckily I have rain tires. So I still speed up. I'm pretty much whipping through traffic where I can pass safely. (Closer than before...but still be a WIDE margin.) Session ends, I drive straight to my trailer where I begin to rack my bike inside. An instructor comes over and says that my body was slightly crossed up in some of the turns. Ahhhh....just what I was waiting for....decent feedback so I can fix it and get feedback when I do it correctly. Hey, wait a minute. No more track time. My instructor feedback doubled this time. Up to 1 minutes and 30 seconds total. Was it a valid comment. Yes. I had been working on that very thing during the endurance race the previous weekend. Did I know about being 'crossed up'. No. I'll have to study some video of the races to try and figure out exactly what he meant. And yes...I let this instructor (Not Stoney this time.) have yet another ass ripping. So let me sum up my day. Breakfast danish, wait, short lecture, wait, slow track time, wait, pathetically little feedback, wait, leave disgusted. That's about it in a nutshell. The system is designed around a street rider. It is NOT for a roadracer with experience. Obviously they needed to adjust the curricula for an experience roadracer. There were several in attendance. Even the person with just 1 roadracing weekend under her belt was disgusted. Could they have corrected riding flaws I have....yes...if I had gotten any attention. I'm wondering if diving in front of the instructors was what it took to get their attention. Needless to say I had some choice comments to the course review. I filled it out, accounted for the 1 missed track session. (Which I do NOT fault them for in any way....nor would I fault them for the weather either.) I then took it and the transponder up to Keith Code. I made sure that he read it, had my feedback, and my general feeling of disgust for the wasted day. He was not happy....of course. So yes...I handed out...you guessed it...another ass ripping. Seems to be my stock in trade for the day. If you are a racer looking to improve your skills. Buy the Twist of the Wrist 2 book. Write down the basic theme for each chapter. Go to a track day. Focus on 1 chapter for each session on the track. You will get better effect than I did trying to apply those lessons in the street crowd on the track. I do believe that the no-brakes drill is one of the most effective out there. I'll probably be taking a class on it (for the 3rd time) this summer at Roebling from Frank Kinsey. If you are a street rider. I'd say that you could learn some valuable information in the class. But I think that you spend too little time doing anything constructive. The total amount of track time was relatively small. And the amount of lecture was even smaller. Pick up the books. Read them. Go to a different class where they put a premium on track time. If this review angers you...fine. The poor experience angered me. It's my opinion, I'm entitled to it. (And I wasn't in the minority that day.) I'm sure others have had decent experiences. I didn't. This is my review. Steve Keener Championship Cup Series, Mid Atlantic #3; South East #4 AMA #444 FUSA #144 --part1_5b.25d74488.29e3054a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/8/02 10:25:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes:


I've taken Keith Code's California Superbike School, but not attended dP Safety.  IMHO, Code's school is top notch.  FYI, a good friend of mine (Gary Jaehne) is an instructor for dP Safety and even though I've never taken one of their schools, I would also recommend dP based on knowing Gary.  They are both good track schools (and there are others too ... STAR, Freddie Spencer, etc.) so I don't think you can go too far wrong with either one.  CSS is probably more structured.


My review from last year.....

Keener
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My experience with the California Superbike School
Level One
May 16th, 2001

By Steve Keener


Some background about me first.  I am an expert club roadracer.  I've been racing for 5 years now.  I do fairly well in most events.  But I know that I can do better.  I believe in taking classes and taking constructive criticism to try and fix problems in my riding style.  I try to take at least one class per year if not more.  This year I was convinced that I would gain a lot by shelling out the big bucks and attending Keith Code's California Superbike School.  I've got his Twist of the Wrist books and consider them excellent.  My normal racing buddy Pete Friedman claimed that I would gain a lot from the class.  Hesitant about spending $800 for 2 days I opted to try the Level 1 single day for about $400.  I figured that if I liked it...I could always try to get added to the level 2 for the next day.  Why would they turn away another $400? 

So I take a day off from work in the middle of the week.  (Wed 5/16/01)  I drive the 5 hours to Danville, VA on Tuesday after work.  No problem, I really like the VIR facilities and enjoy the technical track quite a bit.  The only downside was the weather.  Instead of the forecast partly cloudy....it's mostly rainy.  Still, I like riding in the wet....so it's still no issue for me.  I'm riding my YZF-R6.  This is the first time since I got seriously hurt on it last season.  I figure that it's better to ride a stock bike than my SV700 superbike.  It should expose my flaws quicker...and also let me get back on the critter.  (Plus it's not going to give me a hard time on the track by not starting like some other bikes in the class.  And worst case is that my SV is a nice backup bike in case I do have problems.)

The day starts wet and dreary.  I get to the track and it's a bit disorganized.  Nothing new to a racer.  I unload my bike and give it the once over looking for any problems I've missed when checking it out the previous two days at home. Nothing wrong.  I meander over to the tractor trailer where they are doing registration and breakfast and get in line.  Seems a bit slow...but nothing horrible.  I'm not overly anxious about a mildly late start.  After registration they start herding the riders into their respective groups.  (Kinda like the 'herding cats' commercial.)  I'm in the green group for the level one class.  We go inside and do our first briefing.  It's given by the man himself - Keith Code.  This is the basics briefing for everybody.  Flags, etiquette, passing rules, etc.  Then we go into the actual meat of the session.  The first briefing was about proper corner entry speed.  I had heard different things about Keith's lecturing.  I was surprised by his animated speaking style.  He is far better than many professional speakers I've seen in the past.  Things were looking up in my opinion.  He discusses entry speed, throttle control, traction, and the line through a corner.  It's not a new set of topics for me...I read his book several times a year picking up new things each time.  At the end they give us our instructions for the first track session.  No brakes and stay in 4th gear.  OK, I like no brakes drills...they are an excellent teaching tool.  We suit up and....wait....for about 20 minutes.  Hmpf.

The track is wet, I'm on a zippy R6 on Michelin Pilots.  The grip is...tenuous at best.  I'm as nervous as a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.  I'm a bit hesitant a couple of times on the throttle.  My delivery isn't as smooth as normal.  After the session I hunt up the CSS mechanic and ask about a possible tire change.  He tells me he doesn't have time because he's repairing a dumped bike...but that they have the machine and I'm welcome to do it myself. 

I do my second briefing.  It's given by Coby Fair.  He's not as good a speaker as Keith.  Evidently they are running on the north and south courses today.  So Keith & Coby are alternating.  OK by me.  It's still the same course material.  This one is about turning points.  Still a good topic.  The only drawback was that the lecture (they call them briefings) seemed a bit rushed....and short.  This was going to turn out to be the theme for the day.

I go to Brian Roach (Another racer & student today)  He offers to change the tire for me....and I offer my spare set of Michelin rains for him to use.  Nice.  I didn't see an instructor on the track or afterwards from the first session.  Oh well.  We begin to frantically work on the two bikes.  I already have a rear mounted.  I just need the front changed.  He does the mounting, and I pull the rims off the bikes.  I get mine ready and his only needs to have them mounted at this point.  I've missed my second track session.  But to get the stability of the rain tires...it's entirely worth it in my opinion.

Briefing number 3, given by Keith.  This is about turning.  It's the basics of fast versus lazy turning.  Good stuff, but still well covered in his books.  I think we were in there for about 20 minutes.  The instructions for the track session are 2 gears and very light braking, or you can still choose 1 gear and no braking.  I go for 2 gears. 

Just before going out I get my first bit of feedback for the day.  All 15 seconds of it.  Stoney Landers tells me that I was a bit hesitant on the throttle roll on in the first practice.  I explain the tire issue and that I will be much smoother this session.  (I was...I was monitoring myself just because of that comment.  It was fair and valid.)  We got out for MAYBE 20 minutes of on track time.  Because I'm now on rain tires and able to brake lightly..I start rolling around the track much faster than most of the students.  I expected this coming into the class, especially given the number of street riders in it.  Unfortunately the rule of 8 feet of space between you and the rider you pass is in the forefront of my mind.  A fellow racer was threatened to be thrown out because he came to close to another rider.  The rider basically came over into his path as he was beginning to drive by.  He shut down his drive, didn't pass, and got yelled at anyway.  Soooo, I'm being very very cautious when passing.  With the number of riders on the track it's difficult for me to reach a speed where I can actually feel like I'm accomplishing something.  In this session I saw not a single instructor near me the entire time.  Obviously I got no feedback from this session.  Just what I was paying for. 

We sit and wait to be called in for our briefing.  Brian Roach and his girlfriend Laura Granatto are basically yelling at their instructor that they haven't gotten much attention at all.  I chime in and basically tear the poor guy and asshole that I've had about zero and am NOT happy about it.  He says he will talk to the instructor about it.  I figure I've spoken up for myself at this point.

Briefing four.  Given by Coby.  This is about rider input to the bike.  Basically it distills down to 'relax on the bike'.  I understand this because I was already doing the arm flapping thing earlier in the day to relax.  (The R6 still gets to me sometimes.)  It's a very good exercise to give to riders.  You can see where it helps you immediately when you do a single endurance race. I did one the previous weekend on a strange bike.  I spent several laps flapping.   The pace of the lecture was yet again hurried.  The total time in the briefing was 15 minutes.  Five minutes discussing the previous track ride, and 10 discussing the benefits of relaxing.  We go out to wait yet again for 25 minutes before our track session.  During this briefing Coby asks if we have gotten enough attention from our instructors.  I speak up and say I've basically gotten zero.  I also remind him that the last time I was here racing....he approached me out of the blue about being an instructor for the school.  He remembers me and tells me that he'll have the instructors make a point of getting with me.  After 'speaking' with an instructor (I have no clue who mine actually is) and with Coby about the lack of attention I figure it should be a solved problem.

Track Session 4.  The drill is to relax.  We can use 3 gears and light braking.  The track is unfortunately dry at this point, and I'm still on rains.  No big deal to me.  We haven't been going fast enough to really do anything.  I go out and can't get a clean set of turns most anywhere.  At this point I can either piss people off by passing closely or tour around the track.  I'm touring.  I get red flagged and called in.  OK....now I'm pissed off.  I've done absolutely nothing wrong to my knowledge.  What was the problem?  I wasn't paying enough attention to the track.  I was looking at the cornerworkers.  (OK...so I waved at a couple...so shoot me.)  After being yelled at I then decide to go and run a couple of faster laps, damn the consequences of being yelled at.  In other words, so far today I've waited 30+ minutes between sessions....roaming around learning nothing...and been yelled at.  I can basically get in 3-4 laps before the end.  I FINALLY started to damage the full rain tires in the dry.  Only one rear slide.  At the end of the session I got my second bit of instruction....relax.  Yeah....so I was uptight when I was touring the track for the previous part of the day?  Of yeah...that tripled the amount of instructor attention...from 15 seconds all the way to 45 seconds....total.

Wait 30 minutes.  Now briefing #5 given by Coby.  This one is about vision.  Looking where you want to go.  It lasts all of 10 minutes.  How do I know this?  I timed briefings 4 & 5 on my watch's timer.  The instructions for the next drill: all gears, do the 2 steps for a turn. 

Wait 25 minutes.  Now go out in the last session.  It's still dry.  I contemplate dragging out my SV....and just turning a few hot laps.  Nah.  Not worth the effort at this late point.  I'm pretty well resigned....the day is a total loss for me.

Last session on track.  I go out and it's spitting rain...very very light.  I'm unable to pass well without scaring the street riders.  And some of them are on large bikes...running very unstable lines around the track.  I pity Robert Lee on his EX500 trying to get around the rolling chicanes out there.  And to be fair....the street riders just don't know any better.  All of the racers were that bad at one time.  I do NOT blame them for anything.  They are riding to the best of their abilities.

After 2 laps (I heard them say that we would only get 18 minutes) I get pulled of the course by an instructor.  He basically says that I can pass the people...it's obvious that I'm not learning anything at that pace.  Gee, ya think?  You miss the white expert number plates on my bike?  What about the top 10 regional club number?  OK, at this point I am seriously annoyed, pissed about a wasted day, and have maybe 10 minutes of track time left.  So I go out and decide to run a relatively decent pace.  It starts to rain.  But luckily I have rain tires.  So I still speed up.  I'm pretty much whipping through traffic where I can pass safely.  (Closer than before...but still be a WIDE margin.)  Session ends, I drive straight to my trailer where I begin to rack my bike inside.  An instructor comes over and says that my body was slightly crossed up in some of the turns.  Ahhhh....just what I was waiting for....decent feedback so I can fix it and get feedback when I do it correctly.  Hey, wait a minute.  No more track time.  My instructor feedback doubled this time.  Up to 1 minutes and 30 seconds total.  Was it a valid comment.  Yes.  I had been working on that very thing during the endurance race the previous weekend.  Did I know about being 'crossed up'.  No.  I'll have to study some video of the races to try and figure out exactly what he meant.  And yes...I let this instructor (Not Stoney this time.) have yet another ass ripping.

So let me sum up my day.  Breakfast danish, wait, short lecture, wait, slow track time, wait, pathetically little feedback, wait, leave disgusted.  That's about it in a nutshell.
The system is designed around a street rider.  It is NOT for a roadracer with experience.  Obviously they needed to adjust the curricula for an experience roadracer.  There were several in attendance.  Even the person with just 1 roadracing weekend under her belt was disgusted.  Could they have corrected riding flaws I have....yes...if I had gotten any attention.  I'm wondering if diving in front of the instructors was what it took to get their attention.

Needless to say I had some choice comments to the course review.  I filled it out, accounted for the 1 missed track session.  (Which I do NOT fault them for in any way....nor would I fault them for the weather either.)  I then took it and the transponder up to Keith Code.  I made sure that he read it, had my feedback, and my general feeling of disgust for the wasted day.  He was not happy....of course.  So yes...I handed out...you guessed it...another ass ripping.  Seems to be my stock in trade for the day. 

If you are a racer looking to improve your skills.  Buy the Twist of the Wrist 2 book.  Write down the basic theme for each chapter.  Go to a track day.  Focus on 1 chapter for each session on the track.  You will get better effect than I did trying to apply those lessons in the street crowd on the track.  I do believe that the no-brakes drill is one of the most effective out there.  I'll probably be taking a class on it (for the 3rd time) this summer at Roebling from Frank Kinsey. 

If you are a street rider.  I'd say that you could learn some valuable information in the class.  But I think that you spend too little time doing anything constructive.  The total amount of track time was relatively small.  And the amount of lecture was even smaller.  Pick up the books.  Read them.  Go to a different class where they put a premium on track time.

If this review angers you...fine.  The poor experience angered me.  It's my opinion, I'm entitled to it.  (And I wasn't in the minority that day.)  I'm sure others have had decent experiences.  I didn't.  This is my review. 

Steve Keener
Championship Cup Series, Mid Atlantic #3; South East #4
AMA #444
FUSA #144


--part1_5b.25d74488.29e3054a_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 11:15:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f118.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.118]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38FF9U09763 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 08:14:04 -0700 Received: from 64.24.83.173 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 15:14:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.24.83.173] From: "Pierre C" To: pawilson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike night and r/r stuff Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 16:14:04 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2002 15:14:04.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[054A7100:01C1DF10] Hey Paul, is there a way i could wire mine to the battery ground too? perhaps we can do the job together saturday? I have some more food for thought for you, i am going to CC: the board on this so perhaps someone has some ideas. My R/R seems down, charging reads low in the 12.8 volts range and stuff. last night i plugged in the battery tender. the battery charged, and today i probed it with the battery tender still on: 13.7 volts. then i unplug the battery tender, probe it: 13.5 volts. I keep the probe on and i notice that the voltage is dropping: 13.59, 13.58, 13.57 and so on. i am very short of pacience, and didn't wait to see what was going to be the bottom of that trend. I start up the bike, voltage drops to like 11.80 then it reads the usual: idles at 13.4, revved up goes to 12.80 or so. I turn it off, and the battery now reads 12.8 volts or so. Do i have a poltergheist in my battery? i doubt it. It's just my ignorance. Pierfrancesco >From: "Paul Wilson" >To: "Pierre C" >Subject: Re: bike night and r/r stuff >Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:15:48 -0400 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pierre C" > > > Hey Paul, > > I apologyze i wasn't able to come, as much as I really wanted to. I got > > cought with staying on with a girl, > >You wild thing, you. :) > >and anyway i was in rockville, it would > > have been hard for me to get there. I hope you had fun, as a matter of > > facts, i am so curious about these bike nights: what are they? how many > > people were there? anyone interesting? any awesome bikes? > >It's basically a DC-Cycles group that gets together every month or so at a >local bar/eatery. I had chili last night and Diet Coke. I'm feeling the >effects of said chili this morning. :) Well, as far as bikes go, let's >see, there was the usual collection of red VFRs (three vintages, yours, >mine >and >a 90-93), RC-30 (Honda's hand-built race version of VFR, drool) Chuck's >FZR400, couple Harleys, Jeff's Nighthawk 750, VTR Superhawk, Seca II, >FZ1,etc. As far as people, Chuck >Pena, Lisa and Jay Goddard, Mark Kitchell, Chris Weaver and Sally Wood, >Rich >(DC Architect who rides the Seca), Rob Keiser, Jeff Conlin (Matt's friend) >and a couple of other people I didn't know. A nice group of friendly >people. > > > > On another note, Tony Matarazzi (whose description and judgement about >the > > vfr also was one of the reasons i bought the bike) shipped me his used >r/r. > > It's got 30K miles on it. He says i can keep it. He also told me it >puts > > out 13.5 volts, which is under specs, but he says his new one puts out > > exactly the same. I think using his r/r could be good at least for a >final > > diagnosis on my bike. Perhaps i could even keep it on and keep an eye >on > > the bike. > > > > I have read your posting on the vfr list and i understand that you want >to > > put your r/r somewhere else on your bike. I don't know if that's >necessary > > since it works perfectly: would you move around the fundaments of a >building > > when it holds up just fine? :) just teasing you. > >Well, it works fine, for now. That's what worries me, having it crap out >400 miles from DC. I'm not going to move it, but I am considering >direct-wiring it to the battery and replacing it with the newer fin-style >unit and keeping the old one as a spare. > >But you should give it > > another thought i think because i did hear about the rule if it ain't >broken > > don't fix it. I understand that prevention has its importance though. > > > > Since my r/r definitely has had problems, i would like very much to >place >it > > elsewhere on the bike, or ground it differently, as you mentioned, >directly > > to the battery, but i wouldn't be able to do that alone. I don't know >what > > kind of wires i should buy, where to get a metal plate to attach it >under > > the horn, and so on. > > > > Is there a chance you could meet me when i get the r/r shipped? i >tracked > > the pack and it's already in dulles, so chances are that perhaps i >should > > get it by wednesday. > >Yes, definitely. I should be working on the bike this weekend. I need to >replace the chain before my trip to Ohio (COTU). > > > > Let me know, > > Thanks, > > Pierfrancesco > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 11:27:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38FRZU09973 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w063 ([168.144.108.63]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:27:34 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: DP Safety school Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:27:34 -0400 To: "skeener2@XXXXXX" , "ajreinhardt@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2002 15:27:34.0955 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8666FB0:01C1DF11] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g38FRaU09974 Scott, er Steve's experience just goes to show that YMMV. I can certainly see that his level of riding experience/ability (being an expert club racer) could make for a different outcome than mine (me just being a street punk!) Still, there's no (good) reason he should've had the (poor) experience he had. I think part of the "problem" with CSS is that it is a "cookie cutter" approach that doesn't seem to adapt well based on riding skill (and everyone who goes for the first time is in the Level One class regardless of skill/ability). And I think Steve is right about that they can be better about feedback. I was persistent in asking questions, so I got good feedback (but don't know that I wouldn've gotten it had I not asked). I have a feeling that CSS may be getting "too big" and just not able to offer the kind of personal attention that perhaps they were able to provide in the past. Original Message: My experience with the California Superbike School Level One May 16th, 2001 By Steve Keener -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 11:40:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38FeJU10240 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id u.12c.f7ea09b (4332); Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:39:52 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <12c.f7ea09b.29e313c7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:39:51 EDT Subject: Re: DP Safety school To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, ajreinhardt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12c.f7ea09b.29e313c7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 --part1_12c.f7ea09b.29e313c7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/8/02 11:27:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > Scott, er Steve's experience just goes to show that YMMV. I can certainly > see that his level of riding experience/ability (being an expert club > racer) could make for a different outcome than mine (me just being a street > punk!) Oh that almost hurts. :P And only street punks have RS250 tailsections on their streetbikes. Hehehe...ya squid!!! Keener --part1_12c.f7ea09b.29e313c7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/8/02 11:27:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes:


Scott, er Steve's experience just goes to show that YMMV.  I can certainly see that his level of riding experience/ability (being an expert club racer) could make for a different outcome than mine (me just being a street punk!) 


Oh that almost hurts.  :P

And only street punks have RS250 tailsections on their streetbikes.  Hehehe...ya squid!!!

Keener
--part1_12c.f7ea09b.29e313c7_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 11:53:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38Fr7U10591 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-108-48.s1572.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.108.48] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16ubS4-00017l-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 11:53:05 -0400 Message-ID: <01a501c1df15$a0dc8b80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <20020408073752.10140.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: DP Safety school Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:49:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Reinhardt" > Is anyone on the list familiar with DP Safety > School? How does it compare to California Superbike > or CLASS? I'm looking to take an introductory level > track school. > It seems that DP is a more economical alternative, as > the program fees are slightly less and they don't > require brand new tires. > > Thanks > > Adam Reinhardt > 89 CBR As a YMMV comparison, here's a write-up of my experience at CLASS last summer. I was (and still am) a newbie when it comes to track riding. -------------------------- I attended Reg Pridmore's CLASS Motorcycle School at Virginia International Raceway near Danville, VA on July 16 and recommend it very highly. My friend Tom liked it so much he stuck around for another day. :) For the most part the classroom sessions were good, although the quality did wane toward the end of the day while Reg was doing his two-up rides. I didn't partake in the two-up rides, but I was passed, as if I were standing still, by Reg riding two-up on his VFR800. Reg himself is very personable and he is clearly an enthusiast in the best sense of the word. He personally greeted everyone in line to register. "First time, Paul?" he asked in his lilting accent. How'd he know that? I guess the brand new leathers and nervous demeanor were the tip-off. :) He stressed throughout the day how what he teaches applies to street riding. He does place great emphasis on "body steering" as opposed to countersteering via inputs to the grips. While this technique obviously works for him, he's not dogmatic about it. He says "give it a try and see if it works for you." That is his approach to the entire day: expose you to techniques of throttle control, braking, lines through corners and steering that may be new to you and give you a chance to practice and get comfortable. As a newbie to track riding (for that reason I elected to ride with the "B" Group) I found following behind the instructors to be most beneficial at first, in particular observing their lines and their smoothness and control. One instructor gave me the "follow me" sign to improve my lines. After a while I was able to get my speeds up in some of the corners that were giving me problems earlier. Having a "plan" in advance and sticking to it works wonders with respect to entry speed, line, lean angle and where to get on the gas. If you're thinking about it mid-corner it's way too late. Things happen really fast at speed. It's a good mental habit to use on the street too. In general the coaching is pretty minimal unless an instructor pulls you off the track to work on a specific problem. I was never pulled out. Otherwise, if you need feedback, you really need to ask for it. I'll have to say that I never rode more than 8/10ths out on the track and didn't wick up the speed too much on the straights. I preferred to concentrate my mental energy on the corners and used the straights as recovery time. I did rev the snot out of the bike just about the entire time and the VFR handled all that without complaint. I also used all my tire surfaces and figured out just how far the VFR can lean before the peg feelers hit pavement. One of Reg's mantras is "trust your tires" and it's absolutely true. And, wow, even those D205s get gooey and feathered on the track. Other than a "chirp" due to a hamfisted downshift, the Dunlops stuck like glue all day. Being on the track allowed me to address some bad habits I've gotten into on the VFR. One of them is my tendency to lean the bike more than my body. Compared to my old Nighthawk the VFR is much more flickable and I've gotten lazy and I've been using a lot less body lean and shifting of body weight on the seat. You can't get away with that on the track since you run out of ground clearance in a hurry at speed on many of those turns unless you shift your body weight well to the inside. The second is to trust the bike and the tires to perform for you when asked. At first I found myself puckering on the sharp right hander that drops off downhill where you can't see the exit. After convincing myself to get on gas, instead of slowing down, and leaning the bike I was able to conquer my fear of that turn. The third is that smoothness is paramount. Clumsy handling of the controls upsets the bike and presents a major distraction. One thing the class really helped me with was in the seamless brake, downshift, accelerate transition just before a turn. Overall, a great day and some valuable lessons learned. Highly recommended. There were a couple of run offs during the day and I gather that one rider went down on the very last "A Group" track session. VIR is a superb track (we were on the North course) with immaculate pavement and lots of elevation change. Other than a couple of "moments of concern," as one instructor put it, I never really came close to a mishap. I also had two very enjoyable days of riding to and from the track. Southside and Central Virginia has loads of smooth, twisty and traffic-free roads. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F www.wilsonline.org Join the VFR750 list >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfr750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 12:08:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mx1out.umbc.edu (mx1out.umbc.edu [130.85.253.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38G8lU10869 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from solaris1.gl.umbc.edu (solaris1.gl.umbc.edu [130.85.60.40]) by mx1out.umbc.edu (8.12.0/8.12.0/UMBC-Central 1.7 mxout 1.2.2.2 $) with ESMTP id g38G8imR020086 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jconli1@localhost) by solaris1.gl.umbc.edu (8.12.1/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g38G8i0D001961 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:08:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: solaris1.gl.umbc.edu: jconli1 owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:08:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Conlin To: Subject: Tale of Two Nighthawks In-Reply-To: <200204072300.g37N06B24757@dirty.meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII (Two very different ones, too) Some pix are up at http://jeff.desi-9.com/temp/2nh Anyway... it was a great little shakedown ride, as I've been out of commission for a few months. Two best moments for me were paralleling a freight train for about 3 miles, both doing exactly 61mph. I glance over at the engineer in awe of his machinery, and catch him gawking at us on the bikes, probably wishing he had our machinery. Then the last-minute route switch that paid off with a great little collection of twisties following a stream, the climbing up through two small ridgelines. Seems like VA and PA are both filled with incredible little roads that take a lot of effort and a bit of a sixth sense to find, but if you've got the patience to endure some clunkers while exploring, the payoff is definitely worth it. It was also nice spending quality time with the CB750. After riding some SV's, a GPz, and my girlfriend's GS500E, I've been yearning for either a more powerful or at least more flickable ride all winter, but once I got the CB back together and spent about 500 miles on it this weekend, I remembered why I just can't let it go, despite not being exactly enamoured with it. It just does everything I ask it to, with no complaints, and pretty well, too! How can I find fault with that? The '98 Speed Triple at Morton's got me hot, but the idea of no debt makes me more excited. Rolled out to the bike night at Uncle Jed's last night. Met a few new folks and reconnected with some old friends, but think I missed the big crowd. Oh well. Next time. Think I've stopped being a lurker here. -- Jeff Conlin Beltsville, MD http://jeff.desi-9.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 12:16:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38GGaU11066 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-22-215.s723.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.22.215] helo=p300) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16ubop-0001tj-00; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 12:16:35 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "LAURA GRANATO" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: o/t: what kind of lawyer do I need? Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 12:16:12 -0400 Message-ID: <8vf3bugqrromn2jnp2sq733qfrceun450n@4ax.com> References: <20020408060154.29426.c002-h006.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> In-Reply-To: <20020408060154.29426.c002-h006.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g38GHEU11067 I think you need a big guy named guido to help. :) I hope you can sue them for legal fees as well. My guess is their nature is not to seek legal counsel themselves, and you can use some kind of scare tactic to get them out. Maybe give them some kind of written notice saying "the rent is late, you now have 5 days left to pay and after 5 days you will be required to leave the premisis if no payment is recieved.. Staying on the premesis assumes a new rent of (some ungodly amount $2000?) per month payable up front. Should that money not be paid in cash, I will have my qualified and experienced lawyer initiate a civil monetary suit in which case liens will be placed against vehicles, and listed luxury property, future earned wage withholdings, and any tax refunds, Please contact me to make payment TODAY" The idea is not that you intend to do that, but that you want them to think "oh shyt! shes going to take my car or my bike, let's hurry up and get out of here before she can sick her dogs on us". if they're not paid up within 5 days, contact a lawyer. or i have a friend named guido Danny On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 06:01:53 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>OK, the renters strike again. they are trying to say |>that their security deposit is their last month's rent. |>I explained to them according to their lease that is |>not the case. |> |>She said she would drop the rent off on saturday...it |>still isn't here. according to my lease I can now give |>them five days to pay their rent and then evict them. |> |>What kind of lawyer do I need to help me with all of |>this and does anyone have any recommendations? |> |>Thanks. |> |> |>________________________________________________ |>PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. |>http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 12:21:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38GLVU11171 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-22-215.s723.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.22.215] helo=p300) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16ubtZ-0003Mn-00; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 12:21:29 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Cc: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: SCREAM "AAHH!" BEFORE IMPACT Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 12:21:06 -0400 Message-ID: References: <200204080913.AA107086434@mail.toward.com> In-Reply-To: <200204080913.AA107086434@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g38GLWU11172 ROTFL! what better way to hear your loved one "go out" than to hear them scream in sheer terror. As a side note, they said users should not scream "fu__ me!" before impact as the person on the other end may mistake that for "dirty talk" and initiate the other person into phone sex. On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:13:39 -0400, you wrote: |>CAR PHONE SAFETY: SCREAM "AAHH!" BEFORE IMPACT |> |>New York, N.Y. M-bM-^@M-^T Under pressure to do something about car accidents |>involving cell phones, the industry-backed Cell Phone Safety Council today launched a public service campaign urging users to "scream like hell" before impact, thereby alerting callers on the other end that there is some kind of trouble. |> |>http://www.satirewire.com/news/0007/satire-cellsafety.shtml |> From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 12:27:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38GRAU11285 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.1a9.5b863e (18254) for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:26:39 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1a9.5b863e.29e31ebf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:26:39 EDT Subject: Re: Okay, fess up! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/6/2002 4:26:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cliffzig@XXXXXX writes: > > > The damn things can put your eye out! Wasn't there a court case that > > > demonstrated just that a few years ago? > > > > > Or smother you to death. Believe it or not it was a whiplash case. The guy got hit by em during a lap dance. I hate that I remember that. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 13:56:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20102.mail.yahoo.com (web20102.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g38HuRU12760 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020408175626.33846.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.253.132.218] by web20102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 10:56:25 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:56:25 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Is Rouch-Creek for real this year? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I rechecked the CCS website and Rouch Creek has 2 dates. Are they for real or wishful thinking again? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 14:20:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14610.mail.yahoo.com (web14610.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.242]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g38IKJU13252 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020408182018.52203.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 11:20:18 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:20:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: newbie training To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020408175626.33846.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii would any of the moto-trainers on this list be willing to speak with a neighbor of mine about the various options for newbie training (i.e., how to get a motorcycle permit). he's in maryland and finding it difficult to determine his options for private training and eventual certification. i'd love to forward him the email address of someone with knowledge on these issues..... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1DF07.08CE7DC0-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 14:25:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g38IPPU13312 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 8014 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2002 11:25:17 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.170 (HELO mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 8 Apr 2002 11:25:17 -0700 X-Sent: 8 Apr 2002 18:25:17 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 11:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pattonme@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Is Rouch-Creek for real this year? X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 11:25:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020408112517.1641.c002-h006.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> matthew patton wrote > > I rechecked the CCS website and Rouch Creek has 2 dates. Are they for > real or wishful thinking again? > there wll be no rausch creek this season...:( LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 14:30:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38IUkU13497 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w060 ([168.144.108.60]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:30:45 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: DP Safety school Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:30:45 -0400 To: "skeener2@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2002 18:30:45.0429 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F3BAE50:01C1DF2B] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g38IUmU13498 Moi? Calamari? N'est pas! OK, well maybe I have an inner squid lurking inside me. And for the record, it's an Airtech TZ/Attack tailpiece. Although I guess it does look a lot like an RX250 to those who don't know any better! %^) Original Message: ----------------- And only street punks have RS250 tailsections on their streetbikes. Hehehe...ya squid!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 14:37:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from wdcsun022.usdoj.gov (wdcsun4.usdoj.gov [149.101.1.103]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38IbBU13621 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wt6.usdoj.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wdcsun022.usdoj.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GU9IDU01.V8Z for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:37:06 -0400 Received: (from x400@localhost) by wt6.usdoj.gov (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) id OAA03897 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text X400-MTS-Identifier: [/P=USDOJ/A= /C=US/;CIVEX10-020408183549Z-20377] Content-Identifier: Licensing requir UA-Content-Id: Licensing requir Autoforwarded: FALSE Priority: Normal Importance: Normal Precedence: first-class X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Received: by TELEMAIL; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:35:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:35:49 -0400 From: "Pelletier, Nina" Subject: Licensing requirements in DC To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" (Receipt Notification Requested) (IPM Return Requested) Message-Id: <"CIVEX10-020408183549Z-20377*/PRMD=USDOJ/ADMD= /C=US/"@MHS> X-Mailer: NetJunction (NetJunction 5.1.1-p0)/MIME Hi everyone, I'm new to the list and relatively new to motorcycling. I just successfully completed the MSF course in Virginia. Does anyone know whether the DC DMV accepts the MSF course certification card in lieu of the road test? If not, could someone please tell me specifically what the road test entails? If you also have any contact numbers or e-mail addresses for the persons who administer the road tests, that would be greatly appreciated. There is very little information on the DC DMV website concerning motorcycle licensing, and it seems impossible to get a live person with enough knowledge to answer my questions....How long does it take, in general? Is the written test specifically directed towards motorcycles, or is it the same as the driver's license test? Do they allow you to practice on the road test course before you take the test? Any and all help w/this would be great. Thanks! Nina From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 14:38:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38IcjU13661 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id u.1a9.5fb8e2 (3974); Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:38:30 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1a9.5fb8e2.29e33da6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:38:30 EDT Subject: Re: DP Safety school To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a9.5fb8e2.29e33da6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_1a9.5fb8e2.29e33da6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Moi? Calamari? N'est pas! OK, well maybe I have an inner squid lurking > inside me. Uh huh. I bet right now your mother's eyebrow is rasing up in sympathetic disbelief. > And for the record, it's an Airtech TZ/Attack tailpiece. Although I guess > it does look a lot like an RX250 to those who don't know any better! %^) It's frigging chainsaw....why would I know. Use it as a speedbump or a berm (by my'tractor') and keep on going. Hehehehe --part1_1a9.5fb8e2.29e33da6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Moi?  Calamari?  N'est pas!  OK, well maybe I have an inner squid lurking inside me.


Uh huh.  I bet right now your mother's eyebrow is rasing up in sympathetic disbelief.

And for the record, it's an Airtech TZ/Attack tailpiece.  Although I guess it does look a lot like an RX250 to those who don't know any better! %^)


It's frigging chainsaw....why would I know.  Use it as a speedbump or a berm (by my'tractor') and keep on going.  Hehehehe 
--part1_1a9.5fb8e2.29e33da6_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 14:44:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38IiZU13796 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-96.patriot.net [209.249.181.96]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g38IiXp07939 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:44:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3CB1E676.97EE7590@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 14:50:30 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: My weekend... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope, no riding fer me. SWMBO assigned my Harry Homeowner tasks and kept busy overseeing my progress. *grumble* So while slaving away on the roof I hear the mighty call of a Harley. A nearby neighbor is going for a ride. Grrrr... He chugs around the corner with his latest squeeze on the pillion, a trim blonde. Oooo, now I'm really cranked! "Are you done yet?" SWMBO yells. *&^$$%* Harley is ruining ratty, probably left the enricher on too long, and he stops in front of my house. *SAVE ME* I mentally plea, but the engine clears and he roars off. A couple minutes later I hear the Harley coming back. Hmmm... engine sounds fine but the throttle is going up and down, up and down. So I look up from my indentured servitude and - YIKES! Blondie is in the pilot seat and big dude is on the pillion! From the rapid motion of his lips and hand signals I deduce he's given her instructions. She goes about 140# I'd guess, bike is 800#, and BIG dude on the pillion is maybe 250/280! Good Gawd, man, what were you thinking! The scene: Blondie: "But Bubba, I wanna drive." (pouty lip) Bubba: "I don't think so, darlin'." Blondie: "Aw, please, pretty please." Big smile and a deep breath to inflate her already ample chest profile.) Bubba: (thinks - Yo mama, check the rack!) "Weeelll, okay." Yeppers, so maybe Bubba was thinking with the little head, but I'll give him points for having giant cajones. Just watching her weave down the road made my boys shrivel. No second lap around the block, but I didn't hear the call of the ambulance. Who knows, maybe Blondie will show up next week on her own brand new kick-ass Sportster! Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 14:49:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38InsU13905 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-96.patriot.net [209.249.181.96]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g38Inqp09496; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:49:52 -0400 Message-ID: <3CB1E7B5.F5035E4D@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 14:55:49 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Pelletier, Nina" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' (Receipt Notification Requested) (IPM Return Requested)" Subject: Re: Licensing requirements in DC References: <"CIVEX10-020408183549Z-20377*/PRMD=USDOJ/ADMD= /C=US/"@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Far as I know, niether DC nor MD accept the VA MSF completion card, and vice versa. The only DC rule I know is you can't run the riding test on a bike (scooter) with an automatic transmission. Methoinsk Paul Wilson and few other listers will have up to date info on the DC DMV debacle. Bill Pelletier, Nina wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm new to the list and relatively new to motorcycling. I just successfully completed the MSF course in Virginia. Does anyone know whether the DC DMV accepts the MSF course certification card in lieu of the road test? If not, could someone please tell me specifically what the road test entails? If you also have any contact numbers or e-mail addresses for the persons who administer the road tests, that would be greatly appreciated. There is very little information on the DC DMV website concerning motorcycle licensing, and it seems impossible to get a live person with enough knowledge to answer my questions....How long does it take, in general? Is the written test specifically directed towards motorcycles, or is it the same as the driver's license test? Do they allow you to practice on the road test course before you take the test? > > Any and all help w/this would be great. Thanks! > > Nina From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 15:01:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cgds1.osc.uscg.mil (cgds1.osc.uscg.mil [152.121.49.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38J1DU14146 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqex6.comdt.uscg.mil by CGDS1.osc.uscg.mil with ESMTP; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:00:57 -0400 Received: by hqex6.comdt.uscg.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2K0VDJJY>; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:00:37 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Chain and sprocket Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:59:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Always change out your sprockets when changing out your chain. By only changing out the chain or the sprockets you are going to cause premature wear on the opposing component. Hard riding accelerates chain and sprocket wear. G From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 15:05:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38J5qU14254 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-110-107.s2139.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.110.107] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16ueSb-0002Wa-00; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 15:05:50 -0400 Message-ID: <006f01c1df30$7df7ca60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Pelletier, Nina" , References: <"CIVEX10-020408183549Z-20377*/PRMD=USDOJ/ADMD= /C=US/"@MHS> Subject: Re: Licensing requirements in DC Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:05:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pelletier, Nina" To: Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 3:35 PM Subject: Licensing requirements in DC > Hi everyone, > > I'm new to the list and relatively new to motorcycling. I just successfully completed the MSF course in Virginia. Does anyone know whether the DC DMV accepts the MSF course certification card in lieu of the road test? Paul: Welcome to the list. MSF bypass in DC? In a word, no. In DC you must take the riding test. A good thing to take MSF anyway though. I teach MSF in VA. Congrats on passing. Nina: If not, could someone please tell me specifically what the road test entails? If you also have any contact numbers or e-mail addresses for the persons who administer the road tests, that would be greatly appreciated. Paul: They will give you the "road test" number to call when you receive your learner's permit. When I took it you had to do a quick stop, a figure-eight and some slow turns, including turning from a stop. It's all in the parking lot, not the "road." The manuevers should be familiar to you from the MSF BRC. It's easier than the MSF skills test. Nina: There is very little information on the DC DMV website concerning motorcycle licensing, and it seems impossible to get a live person with enough knowledge to answer my questions....How long does it take, in general? Paul: Yes, the web site stinks and in general the people on the phone are clueless about anything moto-related. It takes longer for the DMV test administrator (the guy who gave me mine had probably never sat on a bike, much less ridden one) to fill out the forms. Figure on spending an hour there and DON'T be late for your appointment. Make sure they put the correct endorsement on your new license, since they give you the new one on the spot. Also, if you go by the letter of the law, you need "supervision" to ride on a learner's permit. That said, I rode my bike to the road test place, solo and no one hassled me. Nina: Is the written test specifically directed towards motorcycles, or is it the same as the driver's license test? Paul: No, a different test and you take it when you get your permit. You must have a valid permit when you take the riding test. Actually some of the questions are lifted from the "regular" test (DC traffic laws mostly, like the speed limit in an alley, 15 mph, BTW) with some MC-specific stuff thrown in. Peruse the study guide first and answer them accordingly to what's in the book. Hint: the "correct" answers may not align with what you learned at MSF! Nina: Do they allow you to practice on the road test course before you take the test? Paul: No. > > Any and all help w/this would be great. Thanks! > > Nina Hope that helps, Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F > From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 15:12:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38JC9U14356 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GU900G01JZGY4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:11:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GU900FF3JZG8S@XXXXXX>; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 19:11:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GU900G01JZFST@XXXXXX>; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 19:11:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.36]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GU900EC1JZ0XM@XXXXXX>; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 19:11:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 15:11:21 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Chain and sprocket To: "Bruhl, George LT" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <3CB1EB59.80C1FDD@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: "Bruhl, George LT" wrote: > > Always change out your sprockets when changing out your chain. By only > changing out the chain or the sprockets you are going to cause premature > wear on the opposing component. Define "premature wear" on items that only last 20,000 to 30,000 miles when you clean, adjust, burp, and feed them religiously. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 15:31:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14005.mail.yahoo.com (web14005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g38JV0U14813 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020408193056.4041.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.24] by web14005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 12:30:56 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:30:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Chain and sprocket To: Dale Horstman Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: <3CB1EB59.80C1FDD@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Define "premature wear" on items that only last > 20,000 to 30,000 miles > when you clean, adjust, burp, and feed them > religiously. :) That would be the JCWhitney $20 chain that wore out in a weekend. Of course it did have to put up with the stump pulling torque of the John Deere Ninja 250. It's just a normal maintenance item, like the tires and engine. I've even seen shaft drive splines wear out after a while (and those are more expensive than chain/sprocket sets.) Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 16:07:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dcmail0.dc.gov (dcmail1b.dc.gov [151.200.161.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38K7CU15402 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dcmail2a.dc.gov ([10.128.7.14]) by dcmail0.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020408200711.VPV17656.dcmail0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:07:11 -0400 Received: from dcopexch.dcop.dcgov.org ([164.82.14.6]) by dcmail2a.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020408200711.XTOV603.dcmail2a@XXXXXX>; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:07:11 -0400 Received: by DCOPEXCH with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:02:59 -0400 Message-ID: <2344588A203AD311B79500902762698636036B@CWDEXCH0> From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" , "'Nina.Pelletier@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Licensing requirements in DC Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:05:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Do they allow you to practice on the road test course before you take the test? If you go to one of the MD MVA's during their closed-hours you can walk (or ride) the course. Even if you are taking the test in DC, the MD test is supposed to be one of the toughest in the country. So if you are comfortable on the MD course you will be fine for the DC test. The pavement is marked for the course, which is: low-speed maneuver (ride a really long straight line in a box a couple of feet wide, as slow as you can), turnabout, couple of stop signs, and a panic stop from 2nd gear. Some of the MVA's lock their gates at night/weekends so there's no access to the parking lot but I had no problem (many years ago) getting on the parking lot in Glen Burnie. Good luck, Patti From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 17:57:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13804.mail.yahoo.com (web13804.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g38LvgU17167 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020408215741.49784.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 14:57:41 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:57:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Harley for Sale (Not Mine) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: dcuster42@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please respond to Dave, as this is not mine. 1996 Harley Davidson Sportster 1200 1996 1200 Sportster, 17K miles, HIGHLY customized. 2-tone Silver/Black, lace wheels, shield, saddlebags, custom: pipes, air cleaner, battery cover, primary case cover, belt cover, tail light cover, back rest, grips, pegs, mirrors, more. 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Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 18:45:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g38MjJU17957 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA04953 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu (paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.133]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA00203 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.194.225.77]) by paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA70836 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (max4k-196.his.com [216.194.204.196]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA15457 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020408184546.015b662c@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 18:45:48 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Team Charm in Bayou-La-Batry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A former DC Cycles lister Collin Fagan sighting. Read about it at; http://www.his.com/~harris/news.htm Next event is: http://www.his.com/~harris/sched.htm Enjoy! Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 21:21:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g391LXU20345 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 21:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA05512 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 21:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu (paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.133]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA03421 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 21:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA72855 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 21:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup-64.157.49.82.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([64.157.49.82] helo=ww7308427w2k) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ukK8-0000eY-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 18:21:29 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c1df64$e1601a60$52319d40@ww7308427w2k> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: <3.0.32.20020408184546.015b662c@his.com> Subject: Re: Team Charm in Bayou-La-Batry Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 21:21:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Bayou la Batre Made my first parachute jump there in '73 Talk about the middle of nowhere... Michael J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Harris" To: Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 21:45 Subject: Team Charm in Bayou-La-Batry > > A former DC Cycles lister Collin Fagan sighting. > > Read about it at; > http://www.his.com/~harris/news.htm > > Next event is: > http://www.his.com/~harris/sched.htm > > Enjoy! > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 22:28:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g392SIU21381 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 22:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-22-215.s723.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.22.215] helo=p300) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16ulMn-0005Ti-00; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 22:28:18 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: newbie training Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 22:27:55 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020408175626.33846.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> <20020408182018.52203.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020408182018.52203.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g392SMU21382 Find the next day that opens up to new class registration.. set a phone on autodial to get through.. then register by phone. If that day isn't successful, count 29 days, 30 days, and 31 days from that point and try to re-register by phone. The point of waiting those days is some of the students will have failed to pay and a seat will open up. Oh yea what is the amount of days to pay? 10 ? maybe call back in 10 days instead of 30. Danny On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:20:18 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>would any of the moto-trainers on this list be willing to |>speak with a neighbor of mine about the various options for |>newbie training (i.e., how to get a motorcycle permit). |> |>he's in maryland and finding it difficult to determine his |>options for private training and eventual certification. |> |>i'd love to forward him the email address of someone with |>knowledge on these issues..... From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 22:28:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g392SiU21391 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 22:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-22-215.s723.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.22.215] helo=p300) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16ulND-0005ZD-00; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 22:28:43 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: newbie training Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 22:28:26 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020408175626.33846.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> <20020408182018.52203.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020408182018.52203.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g392SjU21392 Oh yea and if he hasnt' ridden a bike in a while, he should ride one to get refamiliarized with his balance. On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:20:18 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>would any of the moto-trainers on this list be willing to |>speak with a neighbor of mine about the various options for |>newbie training (i.e., how to get a motorcycle permit). |> |>he's in maryland and finding it difficult to determine his |>options for private training and eventual certification. |> |>i'd love to forward him the email address of someone with |>knowledge on these issues..... From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 8 23:50:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from fc2.capaccess.org ([151.200.199.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g393oBU22673 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 23:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 23:40:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Licensing requirements in DC To: pawilson@XXXXXX Cc: nina.pelletier@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <"CIVEX10-020408183549Z-20377*/PRMD=USDOJ/ADMD=> <006f01c1df30$7df7ca60$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <006f01c1df30$7df7ca60$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A couple of additional comments: > > >Nina: > >If not, could someone please tell me specifically what the road test >entails? If you also have any contact numbers or e-mail addresses for the >persons who administer the road tests, that would be greatly appreciated. > >Paul: > >They will give you the "road test" number to call when you receive your >learner's permit. When I took it you had to do a quick stop, a >figure-eight >and some slow turns, including turning from a stop. It's all in the >parking >lot, not the "road." The manuevers should be familiar to you from the MSF >BRC. It's easier than the MSF skills test. This was the deal at the Brentwood test site. However they either have moved, or will shortly move, to southeast dc. There, part or all of the test will be on the road, due to lack of space and/or foresight. Back to Brentwood (and the earlier downtown site): They had a little trick. At one point on the course there is a stop sign followed, a few feet later, by an intersection. You might think that the stop sign refers to the intersection, but no. You have to stop AT the stop sign AND again at the intersection. Otherwise you fail, unless the examiner is in a good mood. These are the same examiners who would find any possible excuse to disqualify your vehicle and then direct you toward their pals nearby who would be happy to rent you an approved car---for a small fee---for the test. There was an expose of this in the Post 2 or 3 years ago, so they may have moved on to other shakedowns. > > >Nina: > >There is very little information on the DC DMV website concerning >motorcycle >licensing, and it seems impossible to get a live person with enough >knowledge to answer my questions....How long does it take, in general? > >Paul: > >Yes, the web site stinks and in general the people on the phone are >clueless [snip] > Also, if you >go by the letter of the law, you need "supervision" to ride on a learner's >permit. That said, I rode my bike to the road test place, solo and no one >hassled me. I wouldn't count on it. When I took someone to Brentwood they did check that he had not ridden in by himself. Combining malevolence, greed, incompetence, and petty bureaucratic power-tripping leads to unpredictable results. --garcia "We're lost, but we're making good time." > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 07:32:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39BWH903291 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 07:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boo.net ([137.187.221.202]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g39BWGU44146396 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 07:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CB2D0FA.42351B7@boo.net> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 07:31:06 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Special bike for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am posting this for a friend. ZX11c 1990 same owner 13 years only 2385 miles(not a typo!) This bike has been garage kept and never seen rain. Must see to really appreciate the superb condition this machine is in. There are a couple of very minor scratches on the left side where it slowly dropped on its side at zero mph. This SUPERBIKE is ready to ride anywhere you want to. A chance to own a large chunk of motorcycle history. 1990 Cycle mag with ZX11 roadtest and the factory shop manual is included. $5200 obo. Email me for pictures. cbxturbo@XXXXXX John, Wash DC 202-966-0889 Thanks!! Jay From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 08:22:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39CMQ904010 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 08:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-62-222.s222.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.62.222] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16uudj-0007ZO-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 08:22:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c1dfbf$a72d5c80$de3e2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: References: <200204082300.g38N06G18174@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Chain and sprocket Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 22:43:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Bruhl, George LT" Always change out your sprockets when changing out your chain. By only changing out the chain or the sprockets you are going to cause premature wear on the opposing component. Hard riding accelerates chain and sprocket wear. G ---------------------------------------------------------------- At the risk of the Horkster giving me the shaft.... ;-) Changing all components at the same time is the generally accepted norm for the reason you offer. However, I have a drive and driven sprocket I replaced on my '98 VTR that would go a long way, substantially, to making both of your positions die a very fast death. Ask anyone who rides with me regularly (a big fat dude on a torque-monster) and take a look at my used (23,000 miles) sprockets. Held next to the brand new ones, there is very little indication that they are worn. I was pissed that I blew the $$'s once I had everything off and inspected. Of course this lack of wear isn't typical. I submit that careful chain maintenance (cleaning regularly and keeping it oily) is key. The adjuster indicators said that the chain was still in the good range but I knew it was stretched in a few areas and definitely (slightly) kinked at one link, thus the reason for the purchase at all. As always, YMMV. Todd (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 09:14:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39DEx904723 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LakeSueE@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.31.2504c86d (15862) for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.com (mow-m21.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.137]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v84.14) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-0409091430; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 09:14:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 09:14:16 -0400 From: LakeSueE@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Licensing in DC Message-ID: <31214C72.18BB6274.007800B3@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit When is the latest that someone has actually taken the DC Moto test? I took it in July 2001 and it was on the road next to the DMV testing site and I had to do 2 stops (the guy yelled at me because I thought they were quick stops and he said I was "too jerky when I came to a stop") and 2 figure eights (the guy again yelled at me because I was "too shaky") but I passed and then got yelled at by the lady taking photos because I blinked. Anyone take it after July 2001? sue From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 09:22:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.wheatintl.com ([209.120.170.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39DMq904886 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client94.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.94]) by smtp.wheatintl.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g39DMkO22322 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:22:46 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020409092035.02240e28@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 09:21:58 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Special bike for sale In-Reply-To: <3CB2D0FA.42351B7@boo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:31 AM 4/9/2002, Jay Goddard wrote: >same owner 13 years only 2385 miles(not a typo!) This bike >has >been garage kept and never seen rain. Must see to really appreciate the >superb condition this machine is in. Such as the thick layer of lacquer in the carbs and dry rotting tires ;-) So sad to see a bike that old with only break-in miles on it. Why sell it now? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 09:38:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39Dcw905130 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-105-245.s1007.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.105.245] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16uvpp-0007Ki-00; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 09:38:57 -0400 Message-ID: <004001c1dfcc$14cd3600$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <31214C72.18BB6274.007800B3@aol.com> Subject: Re: Licensing in DC Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:39:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I took it in Dec. 1999 at the late Brentwood "facility", actually a couple of trailers next to a parking lot, now the site of a soon to be Home Depot and K-Mart. My examiner was pretty laid back. Sue, I see the customer is still king at the DC DMV. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: > When is the latest that someone has actually taken the DC Moto test? I took it in July 2001 and it was on the road next to the DMV testing site and I had to do 2 stops (the guy yelled at me because I thought they were quick stops and he said I was "too jerky when I came to a stop") and 2 figure eights (the guy again yelled at me because I was "too shaky") but I passed and then got yelled at by the lady taking photos because I blinked. Anyone take it after July 2001? > > sue > From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 09:44:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net (mail-gw.ie.cw.net [204.70.128.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39Dir905248 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:44:49 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ledford, Calvin" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" Subject: Lower chain guard removal question... Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:44:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anyone have any suggestions on removing the lower chain guard from a 2000 VFR? I want to install the aluminum upper, and do away with the crappy looking black plastic lower - but the lower looks to be hard to remove. It appears to have a single recessed hex head bolt holding it on to the swing arm, built the screw is right in line with the chain. I'm not even sure if loosening the chain all of the way if it will allow enough slack to work a socket end extension in to get at the bolt. Thanks for any suggestions. On favor to ask please - if you reply please CC me at cledford@XXXXXX as I am a digest member. -Calvin Ledford '00VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 09:55:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39Dth905432 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g39DtbS31768; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:55:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:55:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200204091355.g39DtbS31768@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Special bike for sale Mike points out - >same owner 13 years only 2385 miles(not a typo!) So sad to see a bike that old with only break-in miles on it. Why sell it now? I agree. That poor bike has probably been cooped up in a lonely garage, stuffed full of house knick knacks, and only let out a couple of times per year. We should do something for this poor, mistreated steed... I'll be happy to take it off his hands to prevent further abuse ! ;-) Dave Yates President & CEO ZX11 Rescue League -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 10:13:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39ED8905770 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GUB00K010TLLJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:12:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GUB00ILE0TK7N@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 14:12:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GUB00L010TCOS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 14:12:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chan3544t ([166.36.153.47]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GUB00HJ00T5YH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 14:12:42 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 10:12:16 -0400 From: Robert Verde Subject: Non-Moto: Car sale advice To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Message-id: <007401c1dfd0$8e9e1180$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I would like to tap the list wisdom for tips on selling a car in the NoVa area. We picked up a new Dakota last evening (with trailer tow package so we can haul the bikes, obligatory moto content!) and we were not very happy with the trade-in allowance that the dealer offered, so now we have a truck, a car, and two bikes; way too many vehicles. The car is a 2000 Plymouth Neon LX with 45K miles, and bald tires. Otherwise in good shape, could use some new front floor mats perhaps. We still owe a bit over 7K on the loan, the dealer offered 4K. So, we kept the car. I had checked some sources and even deducting a grand for a new set of tires, the car should be conservatively worth 5.5-6K. So, I'll put new tires on the car, maybe spring for the 17" rim-and-tire combo we had priced earlier (the car has 16" on it now) and put it up for sale. In addition to the usual places to advertise, like the Washington Post, the Car Trader (?), and maybe the local papers; are there any other options I should consider? One co-worker suggested Carmax, but I don't know anything about them. Any replies appreciated, and please reply directly, as I read the list in digest mode. Thanks! Robert Verde Robert Verde WorldCom Advisory Engineer DID:703-449-3544 E-mail: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 10:25:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39EPE905951 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id d.96.24adb4aa (25305); Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:24:43 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <96.24adb4aa.29e453ab@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:24:43 EDT Subject: Re: Non-Moto: Car sale advice To: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_96.24adb4aa.29e453ab_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 --part1_96.24adb4aa.29e453ab_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > We picked up a new Dakota last evening (with trailer tow package so we can > haul > the bikes, obligatory moto content!) and we were not very happy with the > trade-in allowance that the dealer offered, so now we have a truck, a car, > and > two bikes; way too many vehicles. Take it down to Carmax. They will go over it and probably offer about 5% below blue book. But that seems to be better than most car dealerships are offering right now. They don't want used cars given the incentives to sell new ones right now. (Makes sellign used ones more difficult.) Keener --part1_96.24adb4aa.29e453ab_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
We picked up a new Dakota last evening (with trailer tow package so we can haul
the bikes, obligatory moto content!) and we were not very happy with the
trade-in allowance that the dealer offered, so now we have a truck, a car, and
two bikes; way too many vehicles.



Take it down to Carmax.  They will go over it and probably offer about 5% below blue book.  But that seems to be better than most car dealerships are offering right now.  They don't want used cars given the incentives to sell new ones right now.  (Makes sellign used ones more difficult.)

Keener
--part1_96.24adb4aa.29e453ab_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 10:25:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from tlc.state.tx.us ([204.65.64.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39EPm905960 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gateways-MTA by tlc.state.tx.us with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 09:01:17 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 09:01:10 -0500 From: "JONATHAN DAVIS" To: , , Subject: Re: Lower chain guard removal question... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I can't remember how my '98's lower c-g was attached to the swingarm, but I am 100% certain that I did not have to loosen the chain to remove it. If it was as tight a fit as you describe, I probably used a 1/4" drive socket. j.davis >>> "Ledford, Calvin" 04/09/02 08:44AM >>> Anyone have any suggestions on removing the lower chain guard from a 2000 VFR? I want to install the aluminum upper, and do away with the crappy looking black plastic lower - but the lower looks to be hard to remove. It appears to have a single recessed hex head bolt holding it on to the swing arm, built the screw is right in line with the chain. I'm not even sure if loosening the chain all of the way if it will allow enough slack to work a socket end extension in to get at the bolt. Thanks for any suggestions. On favor to ask please - if you reply please CC me at cledford@XXXXXX as I am a digest member. -Calvin Ledford '00VFR800 ------------------------------------------------------------------ The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 10:35:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from portal.east.saic.com (portal.east.saic.com [198.151.13.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g39EZA906199 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mclmx.saic.com by portal.east.saic.com via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 9 Apr 2002 14:35:10 UT Received: from mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com by mclmx.mail.saic.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:34:59 -0400 Received: from mcl-its-exig01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.12]) by mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (NAVGW 2.5.1.19) with SMTP id M2002040910345921178 ; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 10:34:59 -0400 Received: by mcl-its-exig01.mail.saic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:34:56 -0400 Message-Id: <21BFD0AAD487D3118C6500508B6F0E8901875EE1@vie-its-exs01.mail.saic.com> From: "Keiser, Rudy" To: "'c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX'" Cc: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Non-Moto: Car sale advice Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:34:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" We used CarMax to sell my wife's '89 Prelude a while back and would recommend you check them out. Go there at some off-time (not on Saturday!) and tell them you are interested in selling the car. They will look it over for 10 minutes and then give you a written offer which is good for 7 days. To make the offer look better they show a number and in the footnotes say that there is a $149 processing fee. Even so, it was more than what the new car dealer was offering in trade ($2250 vs. $1300). There is no obligation or cost to have them look at it. Good luck. Rudy Keiser -----Original Message----- From: Robert Verde [mailto:c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 10:12 AM To: DC Cycles (E-mail) Subject: Non-Moto: Car sale advice I would like to tap the list wisdom for tips on selling a car in the NoVa area. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 12:14:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39GEY907738 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GUB005016FFQT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:14:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GUB004BB6FFDW@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:14:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GUB00J016F939@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:14:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.36]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0GUB00DN26F5QF@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:13:53 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 12:13:48 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Special bike for sale To: Jay Goddard Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Message-id: <3CB3133C.AA6EB943@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3CB2D0FA.42351B7@boo.net> Jay Goddard wrote: > > I am posting this for a friend. > > ZX11c 1990 same owner 13 years only 2385 miles(not a typo!) This bike > has been garage kept and never seen rain. Never seen much daylight, either, from the sounds of it. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 15:17:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39JHT910477 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24064; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xcgca806.northgrum.com (xcgca806.northgrum.com [157.127.103.85]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17319; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca806.northgrum.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2DS91KZZ>; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:17:05 -0700 Message-ID: <99407664A0A7D511AD9900508BB0FB03437D35@XCGVA030> From: "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" Subject: Perforated Jackets Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:15:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm in the market for a perforated riding jacket for this summer. Joe Rocket has a new jacket called the Reactor I saw in the current Dennis Kirk catalog. I appears to be similar to the Phoenix in using "poly steel mesh", but adds leather perforated reinforcements. I've seen the Phoenix jacket and don't really like the way it just seems to "hang" on you. It seems really loose and baggy. Just from the picture in the catalog, can't really tell how the Reactor jacket might be different from the Phoenix. Any one seen one of these Reactor jackets anywhere? If so, what's your opinion? Steve 97 VFR Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 15:35:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39JZl910826 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:35:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVavuYg86nrLPwsZ+il7tCl9Fiqx4e6qNlAZLgVNbqKvPgKq50eQIQ0vz5YnCvuJ4jw= Received: from [204.245.128.130] (helo=jstrang) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16v1P9-0003yE-00; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:35:47 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "Meredith, Steve \(Contr\)" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Perforated Jackets Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:34:50 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <99407664A0A7D511AD9900508BB0FB03437D35@XCGVA030> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal I can only speak for the Phoenix fit on myself...it is anything but baggy. I don't think the Armor will move around much the way that the jacket straps down on your arms and cinches around the waist. I'll send you a pic off-list, but it fits comfortably tight through the chest and midsection (an oddity for me). The Reactor looks identical with the exception of the perf leather on the shoulders/arms/back, and I expect it has and identical fit. That said, and FWIW, I don't expect the Phoenix jacket to last beyond one crash...I'm just counting on it to work once. Also, I prolly woulda bought a Reactor instead if I knew about them/if they existed last summer. --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Meredith, Steve wrote: > I've seen the Phoenix jacket > and don't really like the way it just seems to "hang" on you. It seems > really loose and baggy. Just from the picture in the catalog, > can't really > tell how the Reactor jacket might be different from the Phoenix. Any one > seen one of these Reactor jackets anywhere? If so, what's your opinion? > > Steve > 97 VFR > Warrenton, VA > ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 15:51:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from fed1mtao03.cox.net (fed1mtao03.cox.net [68.6.19.242]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39Jpg911082 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.1.15] ([68.8.46.177]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020409195128.ZPTJ7829.fed1mtao03.cox.net@[10.0.1.15]>; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:51:28 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 12:51:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets From: Tab To: "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'vfr-digest@XXXXXX'" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <99407664A0A7D511AD9900508BB0FB03437D35@XCGVA030> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit **The local deal has both types in stock when I stopped by last week. They do look like they would be a bit baggy, but my main concern is safety. Just looking at them I wonder if they would actually work in a crash. The material just feels like it would rip right apart in a wreck. I'm still partial to leather. I have a joe rocket leather jacket that has padding and the entire jacket is perforated. I'd rather be a degree or two warmer in the leather than "try out" the other type of jacket. Tab '01 Ducati 996 '01 CBR929 '02 Fat Boy San Diego On 4/9/02 12:15, "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" wrote: > I'm in the market for a perforated riding jacket for this summer. Joe > Rocket has a new jacket called the Reactor I saw in the current Dennis Kirk > catalog. > Steve > 97 VFR > Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 16:03:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20105.mail.yahoo.com (web20105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g39K3U911270 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020409200328.9029.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.253.132.218] by web20105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 13:03:28 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:03:28 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets To: Tab , "Meredith, Steve \(Contr\)" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii JR claims that the jacket is as robust as Cordura 500 grade material. I too wonder about all those seams and stiches holding up but they (JR) have a dozen examples of crashed garments (Phoenix type) and they've held up great. According to them at least. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 16:07:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from grissom.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39K7Y911376 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by grissom.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g39K9o526206 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:09:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:06:09 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:05:25 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , , Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g39K7Z911378 Steve, If you want a High quality perforated jacket, check out BMW's air flow suit. It's expensive but very well made and offers real protection, great cooling too. George Cole 01 FZ1 >>> "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" 04/09/02 03:15PM >>> I'm in the market for a perforated riding jacket for this summer. Joe Rocket has a new jacket called the Reactor I saw in the current Dennis Kirk catalog. I appears to be similar to the Phoenix in using "poly steel mesh", but adds leather perforated reinforcements. I've seen the Phoenix jacket and don't really like the way it just seems to "hang" on you. It seems really loose and baggy. Just from the picture in the catalog, can't really tell how the Reactor jacket might be different from the Phoenix. Any one seen one of these Reactor jackets anywhere? If so, what's your opinion? Steve 97 VFR Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 16:12:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39KCt911500 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (daemon@XXXXXX [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g39KCsgk024052 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:12:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (fish@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g39KCsZk007760 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:12:54 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:12:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets In-Reply-To: <20020409200328.9029.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-Approved: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII While we're on the topic, does perforated leather offer any less protection than full leathers? I'm thinking about replacing my current faux-biker jacket (from The Alley in Chicago), and have been looking at Fieldsheer and Vanson stuff. Should I be leery of perf leather, and look mostly at the unperforated stuff? Or will I simply boil come summer? Fish. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 16:15:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39KFa911587 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:15:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa9vtyqSPUu595CsDVD9UKPK+DefZvJ3PCDJVZ0TGRHD7BIOAWM1L1K4wegyZ8MS9Y= Received: from [204.245.128.130] (helo=jstrang) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16v21f-0002th-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:15:35 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Perforated Jackets Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:14:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020409200328.9029.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal http://www.motorcyclegearreview.com/reviews.php?prodID=404 mixed results; some guys did fine, a few others wore through the jacket. > -----Original Message----- > From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 4:03 PM > To: Tab; Meredith, Steve (Contr); 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets > > > JR claims that the jacket is as robust as Cordura 500 grade material. I > too wonder about all those seams and stiches holding up but they (JR) > have a dozen examples of crashed garments (Phoenix type) and they've > held up great. According to them at least. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 16:24:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39KOg911758 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GUB00001I0Y2C@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:24:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GUB00M4LI0XW6@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:24:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GUB00701I0UPI@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:24:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.36]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GUB0068HI0JWV@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:24:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:24:14 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets To: matthew patton Cc: Tab , "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <3CB34DEE.8B2D5262@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020409200328.9029.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> matthew patton wrote: > > JR claims that the jacket is as robust as Cordura 500 grade material. I > too wonder about all those seams and stiches holding up but they (JR) > have a dozen examples of crashed garments (Phoenix type) and they've > held up great. According to them at least. Also remember that there's shoulder, back, and elbow armor in the Phoenix jackets. It might not hold up to a long slide, (which are comparitively rare on the street, I think "short-slide, whack" is more likely) but for $89-$139 per jacket, it seems to be a reasonable price for decent "one-crash" protection. Even Aerostich's have to get sent back to the factory on occasion for repair after a get-off. Think of the Phoenix as more disposable. Ever hear reports of riders suffering road rash even when wearing leathers? The leather is still intact, but the friction on the inside of the garment on impact is enough to abrade away skin. At least you don't end up with gravel in the wound... :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 16:24:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from frank.mtsu.edu (frank.mtsu.edu [161.45.193.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39KOj911763 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BERTHA ([161.45.159.164]) by frank.mtsu.edu (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g39JqWc09707; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:52:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "Chris Pitts" To: "'Tab'" , "'Meredith, Steve \(Contr\)'" , , Subject: RE: Perforated Jackets Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:54:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c1e000$5d4e02e0$a49f2da1@BERTHA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Ive tried one in a crash... They work great!!! Chris 01 Erion 929 -----Original Message----- From: owner-vfr@XXXXXX [mailto:owner-vfr@XXXXXX] On Behalf Of Tab Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 1:51 PM To: Meredith, Steve (Contr); 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'vfr-digest@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets **The local deal has both types in stock when I stopped by last week. They do look like they would be a bit baggy, but my main concern is safety. Just looking at them I wonder if they would actually work in a crash. The material just feels like it would rip right apart in a wreck. I'm still partial to leather. I have a joe rocket leather jacket that has padding and the entire jacket is perforated. I'd rather be a degree or two warmer in the leather than "try out" the other type of jacket. Tab '01 Ducati 996 '01 CBR929 '02 Fat Boy San Diego On 4/9/02 12:15, "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" wrote: > I'm in the market for a perforated riding jacket for this summer. Joe > Rocket has a new jacket called the Reactor I saw in the current Dennis > Kirk catalog. Steve > 97 VFR > Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 16:31:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39KVG911945 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w024 ([168.144.108.24]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:31:09 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Perforated Jackets Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:31:09 -0400 To: "fish@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2002 20:31:09.0376 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B744400:01C1E005] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g39KVH911946 Perfed leather is just fine. As long as it's a quality suit from a reputable manufacturer or custom suit maker. At a standstill (especially in traffic), you'll still boil. But it's definitely cooler when moving. Original Message: ----------------- While we're on the topic, does perforated leather offer any less protection than full leathers? I'm thinking about replacing my current faux-biker jacket (from The Alley in Chicago), and have been looking at Fieldsheer and Vanson stuff. Should I be leery of perf leather, and look mostly at the unperforated stuff? Or will I simply boil come summer? -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 16:39:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (pcp732049pcs.arlngt01.va.comcast.net [68.49.160.200]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39Kd6912075 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (bonaire.brauhausdc.org [192.168.64.12]) by bonaire.brauhausdc.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g39KdVj29460 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:39:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > While we're on the topic, does perforated leather offer any less > protection than full leathers? I'm thinking about replacing my current > faux-biker jacket (from The Alley in Chicago), and have been looking at > Fieldsheer and Vanson stuff. Should I be leery of perf leather, and look > mostly at the unperforated stuff? > > Or will I simply boil come summer? > Vanson has some nice options that have vents in the front. Might not be race legal, and will be pricey, but, if its a Vanson, you KNOW its going to be a solid jacket. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 16:41:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39Kf4912105 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w078 ([168.144.108.78]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:41:03 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: Perforated Jackets Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:41:02 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2002 20:41:03.0242 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD6D06A0:01C1E006] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g39Kf5912106 What kind of crash? And define worked "great." I think Jon Strang's assessment that the Phoenix is a "one get-off" piece of equipment is probably right. And certainly with the armor in it, is better than a t-shirt. For a relatively low-speed, minimal slide get-off I would imagine that it would do OK. But certainly the risk of road rash/abrasion by direct contact with the pavement is much higher than if wearing leathers. But that's the tradeoff that you have to make in seeking greater airflow/cooling. I'm actually considering getting a Phoenix jacket just to have something to wear to go to/from Java Shack and Bike Night and similar short trips. Don't know how comfortable I'd feel about it's protective capabilities for "regular" riding. Personally, I wouldn't use it for "real" riding on backroads twisties. I doubt very seriously that it would've held up in my Deerhunter crash or even my lowside at the track. But the Phoenix isn't a jacket you buy for the protection. It's a jacket you buy for it's hot/warm weather riding attributes and it provides a modicum of protection. Original Message: ----------------- From: Chris Pitts S2CPitts@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:54:30 -0500 To: cbr929rdr@XXXXXX, SMeredith@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr-digest@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Perforated Jackets Ive tried one in a crash... They work great!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 16:53:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20108.mail.yahoo.com (web20108.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g39Krd912392 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020409205333.91559.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.253.132.218] by web20108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 13:53:33 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:53:33 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3CB34DEE.8B2D5262@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Ever hear reports of riders suffering road rash even when > wearing leathers? The leather is still intact, but the > friction on the inside of the garment on impact is enough to > abrade away skin. At least you don't end up with gravel in > the wound... :) I have an 8 inch scar, surgery bills and the like to prove this. And this was with a non-leather jacket to boot. The jacket sleeve was completely and utterly intact (no holes) but highly abbraided but my fore-arm was missing a lot of flesh, sinew and muscle. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 16:54:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g39KsL912404 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020409205418.10666.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 13:54:18 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:54:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets To: "Daniel H. Brown" , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii agreed. the "avenger" is a model with this feature.... --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > Vanson has some nice options that have vents in the > front. Might not be > race legal, and will be pricey, but, if its a Vanson, you > KNOW its going to > be a solid jacket. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 17:07:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (pcp732049pcs.arlngt01.va.comcast.net [68.49.160.200]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39L7a912776 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (bonaire.brauhausdc.org [192.168.64.12]) by bonaire.brauhausdc.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g39L81j29567 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:08:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets In-Reply-To: <20020409205418.10666.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:54:18 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Gimer > To: "Daniel H. Brown" , > DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets > > agreed. the "avenger" is a model with this feature.... First, Are you really Tom Gimer? Isn't the real TG supposed to be more arguementative? And, I've got one of the Night Avengers, actually, and /really/ like it. Not only does it have the vents, but also has 3M reflective stuff on the back. > --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > Vanson has some nice options that have vents in the > > front. Might not be > > race legal, and will be pricey, but, if its a Vanson, you > > KNOW its going to > > be a solid jacket. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 17:21:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39LLN913042 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0GUB00401KNE3F@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 21:21:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GUB002GFKNEJ5@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:21:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GUB00101KN833@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:21:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from comcast.net ([166.36.152.36]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GUB00JP8KMW6B@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:20:56 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:20:51 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3CB35B33.F1BFBD39@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020409205333.91559.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> matthew patton wrote: > > --- Dale Horstman wrote: > > Ever hear reports of riders suffering road rash even when > > wearing leathers? The leather is still intact, but the > > friction on the inside of the garment on impact is enough to > > abrade away skin. At least you don't end up with gravel in > > the wound... :) > > I have an 8 inch scar, surgery bills and the like to prove this. And > this was with a non-leather jacket to boot. The jacket sleeve was > completely and utterly intact (no holes) but highly abbraided but my > fore-arm was missing a lot of flesh, sinew and muscle. Crashing sucks, doesn't it? Oh well, it sounds like you got a cool scar out of the deal. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 17:27:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39LR1913137 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-8.patriot.net [209.249.181.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g39LQwp15948; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:26:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3CB35E07.12961412@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:32:56 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets References: <20020409205333.91559.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------4A571BB901BB97727C300CA2" --------------4A571BB901BB97727C300CA2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit matthew patton wrote: > --- Dale Horstman wrote: > > Ever hear reports of riders suffering road rash even when > > wearing leathers? The leather is still intact, but the > > friction on the inside of the garment on impact is enough to > > abrade away skin. At least you don't end up with gravel in > > the wound... :) > > I have an 8 inch scar, surgery bills and the like to prove this. And > this was with a non-leather jacket to boot. The jacket sleeve was > completely and utterly intact (no holes) but highly abbraided but my > fore-arm was missing a lot of flesh, sinew and muscle. > True - called impact abrasion. My body's been scuffed under left intact jeans and left intact leather. I suspect layered clothes might reduce the effect, but I'll be damned If I'm jumping off a moving bike to test my theory. Bill --------------4A571BB901BB97727C300CA2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

matthew patton wrote:

--- Dale Horstman <horkster@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Ever hear reports of riders suffering road rash even when
> wearing leathers?  The leather is still intact, but the
> friction on the inside of the garment on impact is enough to
> abrade away skin.  At least you don't end up with gravel in
> the wound...  :)

I have an 8 inch scar, surgery bills and the like to prove this. And
this was with a non-leather jacket to boot. The jacket sleeve was
completely and utterly intact (no holes) but highly abbraided but my
fore-arm was missing a lot of flesh, sinew and muscle.
 

True - called impact abrasion.  My body's been scuffed under left intact jeans and left intact leather.  I suspect layered clothes might reduce the effect, but I'll be damned If I'm jumping off a moving bike to test my theory.

Bill --------------4A571BB901BB97727C300CA2-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 17:31:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39LV8913262 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 5.145.c9863a9 (15865); Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.com (mow-m10.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.138]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v84.14) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-0409173043; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:30:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:30:43 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: brown@XXXXXX ("Daniel H. Brown"), dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) Subject: Re: Re: Perforated Jackets Message-ID: <7C70F2D1.6A29061E.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've got a w/r/b perfed AGV jacket that I love for summer riding. Because it's mainly white, it's cooler to start of with. The perfs just add to it. It's also seen the pavement a couple times and has held up great. I don't think I'll be getting rid of it anytime soon. Just my .02. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 9 Apr 2002 M- 4:39:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Daniel H. Brown" writes: >On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > >> While we're on the topic, does perforated leather offer any less >> protection than full leathers? I'm thinking about replacing my current >> faux-biker jacket (from The Alley in Chicago), and have been looking at >> Fieldsheer and Vanson stuff. Should I be leery of perf leather, and look >> mostly at the unperforated stuff? >> >> Or will I simply boil come summer? >> > >Vanson has some nice options that have vents in the front. M- Might not be >race legal, and will be pricey, but, if its a Vanson, you KNOW its going to >be a solid jacket. > >-- >Dan Brown >brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 17:50:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14602.mail.yahoo.com (web14602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.82]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g39LoS913651 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020409215027.44250.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 14:50:27 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:50:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets To: "Daniel H. Brown" , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > > On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:54:18 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Tom Gimer > > To: "Daniel H. Brown" , > > DC-Cycles > > Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets > > > > agreed. the "avenger" is a model with this feature.... > > > First, Are you really Tom Gimer? Isn't the real TG > supposed to be more arguementative? only when the other party to the discussion is WRONG > And, I've got one of the Night Avengers, actually, and > /really/ like it. > Not only does it have the vents, but also has 3M > reflective stuff on the > back. i absolutely love my avenger.... only thing i would change is perhaps a snap for the collar (rather than velcro, which is getting weak). i washed mine recently for the first time in 3+ years. i've been told it looks good, but i feel rather naked without the bugs. > > --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > > Vanson has some nice options that have vents in the > > > front. Might not be > > > race legal, and will be pricey, but, if its a Vanson, > you > > > KNOW its going to > > > be a solid jacket. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 19:37:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39Nbn915337 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-1-133.s387.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.1.133] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16v5BM-0003Ba-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 19:37:48 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Subject: Re: Chain and sprocket Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 19:37:42 -0400 Message-ID: References: <200204082300.g38N06G18174@dirty.meretrix.com> <000001c1dfbf$a72d5c80$de3e2c42@c9rnf01> In-Reply-To: <000001c1dfbf$a72d5c80$de3e2c42@c9rnf01> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g39Nbq915338 I'd like to say the chain is the single most item I worry about due to failure, because it malfuntioning can (in my book) have the most disasterous effects. Any other likely failure can give you time to pull over and check things out. Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 19:43:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39Nhh915429 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.17.265abe34 (3982) for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:43:27 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <17.265abe34.29e4d69e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:43:26 EDT Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17.265abe34.29e4d69e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_17.265abe34.29e4d69e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit fish@XXXXXX writes: > I'm thinking about replacing my current > faux-biker jacket (from The Alley in Chicago), and have been looking at > Fieldsheer and Vanson stuff. Should I be leery of perf leather, and look > mostly at the unperforated stuff? > I have the Vanson Cobra jacket. It has perforated vents but it also has an inside flap on each side you can close when the extra air isn't needed. The venting didn't make much difference behind the full windshield on my Concours but works very well on my ZX-9. And I've crashed twice in it (I gotta quit that) and it has held up very well. HTH, Steve Broadstreet ZX-9 --part1_17.265abe34.29e4d69e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit fish@XXXXXX writes:

I'm thinking about replacing my current
faux-biker jacket (from The Alley in Chicago), and have been looking at
Fieldsheer and Vanson stuff. Should I be leery of perf leather, and look
mostly at the unperforated stuff?


I have the Vanson Cobra jacket. It has perforated vents but it also has an inside flap on each side you can close when the extra air isn't needed. The venting didn't make much difference behind the full windshield on my Concours but works very well on my ZX-9. And I've crashed twice in it (I gotta quit that) and it has held up very well.
HTH,
Steve Broadstreet
ZX-9
--part1_17.265abe34.29e4d69e_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 21:36:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3A1ab917198 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 21:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g3A1aZM27990 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 21:36:35 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 21:36:34 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <17.265abe34.29e4d69e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <17.265abe34.29e4d69e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02040921363405.17094@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 09 April 2002 19:43, SBave@XXXXXX wrote: Everyone I know races in perforated leathers... I personally don't think I could deal with the heat otherwise. As for perf not being crash worthy... never had a problem and I've had some pretty high speed get-offs (80-100mph). - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 9 23:22:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3A3MG918901 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-1-133.s387.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.1.133] helo=p300) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16v8gZ-0004Rr-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 23:22:16 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 23:22:11 -0400 Message-ID: <5cb7bu8mqlkqupi4ckqm5lvj6im3v8uoui@4ax.com> References: <7C70F2D1.6A29061E.0C9D3659@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <7C70F2D1.6A29061E.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3A3MQ918902 I have that same color AGV jacket, and it is wonderful. I want to get some attatching perforated leather pants as well. I don't think the color plays much a role. I think i'd be just as happy with a black fieldsheer jacket. Maybe even happier since the white can look awful when dirty. (but designs do look better than solids) I am interested in getting some mesh riding gear just for the doubley hot days where i'm not riding "hard", and just going to get to a destination and stop riding. However I dont' trush joe rocket stitching.. I'll go with the fieldsheer mesh version. I also feel naked without some knee and shin padding and protection. I want to look into gettting some martial arts under the garment padding... for my shins, knees, and hips, and possibly combine that with some jeans. Having a sore hip sucks.. having a broken pelvis, well I don't want to know. Danny On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:30:43 -0400, you wrote: |>I've got a w/r/b perfed AGV jacket that I love for summer riding. Because it's mainly white, it's cooler to start of with. The perfs just add to it. It's also seen the pavement a couple times and has held up great. I don't think I'll be getting rid of it anytime soon. Just my .02. |> |>Scooter |> |>In a message dated Tue, 9 Apr 2002 M-BM- 4:39:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Daniel H. Brown" writes: |> |>>On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: |>> |>>> While we're on the topic, does perforated leather offer any less |>>> protection than full leathers? I'm thinking about replacing my current |>>> faux-biker jacket (from The Alley in Chicago), and have been looking at |>>> Fieldsheer and Vanson stuff. Should I be leery of perf leather, and look |>>> mostly at the unperforated stuff? |>>> |>>> Or will I simply boil come summer? |>>> |>> |>>Vanson has some nice options that have vents in the front. M-BM- Might not be |>>race legal, and will be pricey, but, if its a Vanson, you KNOW its going to |>>be a solid jacket. |>> |>>-- |>>Dan Brown |>>brown@XXXXXX |>> |>> From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 07:24:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3ABOK925972 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 07:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-45-2.s1272.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.45.2] helo=D7XFG711) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vGD4-000680-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 07:24:19 -0400 Message-ID: <008e01c1e080$e44c35c0$022d2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <7C70F2D1.6A29061E.0C9D3659@aol.com> <5cb7bu8mqlkqupi4ckqm5lvj6im3v8uoui@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 07:14:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I've engaged in this sort of thinking before, too. "It's only a short ride." "I won't be riding more than 35 mph." "I won't be riding hard." All rationalizations for wearing less substantial gear. And I do alter what I wear for "around town" trips, so I'm not preaching here. On the other hand, if I'm blessed with the sort of clairvoyance so that I know exactly where and how I'm going to crash, I should quit my day job, play the stock market and make some real money. Impact forces and abrasions can be quite severe even from a "low-speed" crash and every crash is different. It all depends. Just take a look at the gear reviews on www.motorcyclegearreview.com. All sorts of results and outcome from the same gear. I'm not sure what this all adds up to. I guess it's all about your own personal comfort level with risk. The important thing is accepting risk, and to do so you can't be in a state of ignorance about the potential outcomes. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: I am interested in getting some mesh riding gear just for the doubley hot days where i'm not riding "hard", and just going to get to a destination and stop riding. .... Danny From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 08:26:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f113.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.113]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3ACQH926885 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 05:25:12 -0700 Received: from 64.12.107.53 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:25:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.12.107.53] From: "Dave Moquin" To: SMeredith@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:25:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 12:25:12.0499 (UTC) FILETIME=[C303A830:01C1E08A] Steve, I put my hands on a Reactor jacket last sunday at a swap meet, and I was not impressed. The leather is so thin it reminds me of the fashion leather available at stores like Wilson's in the mall. Personally I have more confidence in the Phoenix. Given it's track record both with listers and others, I would chose the Phoenix if I were to buy one of these light weight jackets. Personally, I'm saving for a Vanson pro-perf to use when the CSRX is too hot. Dave Moquin 99 VFR 800 >I'm in the market for a perforated riding jacket for this summer. Joe >Rocket has a new jacket called the Reactor I saw in the current Dennis >Any >one seen one of these Reactor jackets anywhere? If so, what's >your >opinion? > >Steve >97 VFR >Warrenton, VA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 08:32:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3ACWs927029 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from C4ZJ911 ([63.220.27.131]) by smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GUCR3X01.OA7; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:38:21 -0400 Message-ID: <00af01c1e08b$7e02c030$6a00a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Meredith, Steve \(Contr\)" , References: <99407664A0A7D511AD9900508BB0FB03437D35@XCGVA030> Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:30:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 I have a Joe Rocket Sonic, and I love it! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 3:15 PM Subject: Perforated Jackets > I'm in the market for a perforated riding jacket for this summer. Joe > Rocket has a new jacket called the Reactor I saw in the current Dennis Kirk > catalog. I appears to be similar to the Phoenix in using "poly steel mesh", > but adds leather perforated reinforcements. I've seen the Phoenix jacket > and don't really like the way it just seems to "hang" on you. It seems > really loose and baggy. Just from the picture in the catalog, can't really > tell how the Reactor jacket might be different from the Phoenix. Any one > seen one of these Reactor jackets anywhere? If so, what's your opinion? > > Steve > 97 VFR > Warrenton, VA > From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 08:56:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13802.mail.yahoo.com (web13802.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3ACuP927381 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020410125621.74803.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 05:56:21 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 05:56:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: When is a stop really a stop? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am dealing with lots of 4 way stops on my commute. Can anyone tell me if the legal definition of a stop means that your foot or feet must touch the ground? Thanks Mark ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 09:17:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3ADHe927759 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g3ADHYK07203; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:17:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:17:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200204101317.g3ADHYK07203@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: When is a stop really a stop? Kitchell Questions - I am dealing with lots of 4 way stops on my commute. Can anyone tell me if the legal definition of a stop means that your foot or feet must touch the ground? That is a very GFQ... I only found 3 relevant statutes in VA, the most significant did not address what constituted a 'stop' as such. I email corresponded with another biker that was given $hit by NIH campus cops for a stop, in which he did not put his feet down, but rather paused motionless, balancing the bike, & slowly applying throttle. My musings with campus cops at the time indicated that 'if forward motion of the vehicle ceases, that's a stop'... of course, that opinion is only good for that particular cop... You mention that they are 4 way stops. Without getting into a political discussion about traffic enraging, typically, 4 ways are put in as a secondary speed control device. This is a violation of the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Device standard, as an engineering study does not support the placement of the traffic control device in that instance (the stop sign(s) of the non primary street). With a good lawyer, a ticket for failure to stop could be beaten. If it's in VA, you can find the number to the FFX co. department that handles lights, signs etc... on WTOP's website (or the post)... They're great if you report a non functional light, or one that's mis timed, but if you question placement, they will send goons in black sedans out to intimidate you :-) Since the slow ride is a tactic that all of us local to DC need to learn to survive in traffic around here, I'd be willing to bet that most of us subscribed could effect a 'balanced, ceased motion' response to a stop sign with no feet down that would pass muster of most traffic cops... FWIW, I routinely do 'no feet down' stops at 4 way stop signs, especially if there is a line of cars each way. If you aren't ready to go through the intersection when your turn comes, somebody else will take it :-| HTH Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 09:18:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13006.mail.yahoo.com (web13006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3ADIB927770 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020410131809.74780.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.119.85] by web13006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 06:18:09 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 06:18:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: When is a stop really a stop? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020410125621.74803.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I am dealing with lots of 4 way stops on my commute. > Can anyone tell me if the legal definition of a stop > means that your foot or feet must touch the ground? > Thanks > > Mark Is this all in DC? (I remember you moved recently) The reason I ask is that some states (Districts) have different definitions. I heard one story (Urban Legend? True? Who knows) of people getting a warning in MD for not putting both feet down at a stop. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 09:19:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3ADJm927782 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w041 ([168.144.108.41]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:19:47 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: When is a stop really a stop? Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:19:47 -0400 To: "markkitchell@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 13:19:47.0925 (UTC) FILETIME=[63520050:01C1E092] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3ADJn927783 If you don't know, you shouldn't have a driver's license or be driving. What a moron. You are a total menace to society! %^) Original Message: ----------------- I am dealing with lots of 4 way stops on my commute. Can anyone tell me if the legal definition of a stop means that your foot or feet must touch the ground? -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 09:23:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13801.mail.yahoo.com (web13801.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3ADNK927909 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020410132318.60938.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 06:23:18 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 06:23:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: When is a stop really a stop? To: "Louis F. Caplan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020410131809.74780.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Its DC. If I see a popo, the feet go down of course. --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I am dealing with lots of 4 way stops on my > commute. > > Can anyone tell me if the legal definition of a > stop > > means that your foot or feet must touch the > ground? > > Thanks > > > > Mark > > Is this all in DC? (I remember you moved recently) > The reason I ask is that > some states (Districts) have different definitions. > I heard one story (Urban > Legend? True? Who knows) of people getting a > warning in MD for not putting > both feet down at a stop. > > Louis > > ===== > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours > Fairfax, VA > Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ > > Home Page: > http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 09:30:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3ADUg928140 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-106-29.s1045.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.106.29] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vIBN-0003dR-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:30:41 -0400 Message-ID: <005501c1e094$18923060$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020410125621.74803.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: When is a stop really a stop? Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:31:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Mark, it sounds like your question is "if I perform a 'rolling stop' and there's no cop to see it, is it still illegal"? :) Complete (if short) stops are possible with your feet on the pegs. The most important thing about 4-way stops is not getting T-boned by cross traffic. I don't know what DC's traffic laws say on the subject. They're not on-line. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > I am dealing with lots of 4 way stops on my commute. > Can anyone tell me if the legal definition of a stop > means that your foot or feet must touch the ground? > Thanks > > Mark > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 09:32:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f82.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.82]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3ADWl928160 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 06:32:41 -0700 Received: from 64.241.204.165 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:32:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.241.204.165] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: When is a stop really a stop? Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:32:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 13:32:41.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[308838E0:01C1E094] If I recall correctly, stoping without taking your feet off the pegs if a requirement of the Va. skills test. Razz > >Kitchell Questions - > >I am dealing with lots of 4 way stops on my commute. >Can anyone tell me if the legal definition of a stop >means that your foot or feet must touch the ground? > > That is a very GFQ... I only found 3 relevant statutes in VA, >the most significant did not address what constituted a 'stop' as >such. > > I email corresponded with another biker that was given $hit by NIH >campus cops for a stop, in which he did not put his feet down, but >rather paused motionless, balancing the bike, & slowly applying >throttle. My musings with campus cops at the time indicated that 'if >forward motion of the vehicle ceases, that's a stop'... of course, >that opinion is only good for that particular cop... > > You mention that they are 4 way stops. Without getting into a >political discussion about traffic enraging, typically, 4 ways are >put in as a secondary speed control device. This is a violation of >the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Device standard, as an >engineering study does not support the placement of the traffic >control device in that instance (the stop sign(s) of the non primary >street). With a good lawyer, a ticket for failure to stop could be >beaten. > If it's in VA, you can find the number to the FFX co. department >that handles lights, signs etc... on WTOP's website (or the post)... >They're great if you report a non functional light, or one that's mis >timed, but if you question placement, they will send goons in black >sedans out to intimidate you :-) > Since the slow ride is a tactic that all of us local to DC need to >learn to survive in traffic around here, I'd be willing to bet that >most of us subscribed could effect a 'balanced, ceased motion' >response to a stop sign with no feet down that would pass muster of >most traffic cops... > > FWIW, I routinely do 'no feet down' stops at 4 way stop signs, >especially if there is a line of cars each way. If you aren't ready >to go through the intersection when your turn comes, somebody else >will take it :-| > >HTH >Dave > > > > >-- >Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! >Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 09:33:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13807.mail.yahoo.com (web13807.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3ADXP928170 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020410133324.12104.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 06:33:24 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 06:33:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: When is a stop really a stop? To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <005501c1e094$18923060$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No, that is not what I am saying at all. I can make a complete stop (even hold it for a second) without putting my feet down. I am not talking about a rolling stop, those are clearly illegal. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Mark, it sounds like your question is "if I perform > a 'rolling stop' and > there's no cop to see it, is it still illegal"? :) > Complete (if short) > stops are possible with your feet on the pegs. The > most important thing > about 4-way stops is not getting T-boned by cross > traffic. I don't know > what DC's traffic laws say on the subject. They're > not on-line. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Kitchell" > > > I am dealing with lots of 4 way stops on my > commute. > > Can anyone tell me if the legal definition of a > stop > > means that your foot or feet must touch the > ground? > > Thanks > > > > Mark > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 09:37:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3ADbD928314 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-106-29.s1045.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.106.29] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vIHg-0005Cg-00; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:37:13 -0400 Message-ID: <007101c1e095$02203a60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "dc-cycles list" References: <20020410133324.12104.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: When is a stop really a stop? Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:38:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 OK, I understand. As long as it's a complete stop you should be in the clear, although there are mis-informed people out there who think you can't completely stop a motorcycle without putting your feet down. Not putting a foot down is not evidence that you failed to come to a complete stop. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > No, that is not what I am saying at all. I can make a > complete stop (even hold it for a second) without > putting my feet down. I am not talking about a > rolling stop, those are clearly illegal. From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 09:46:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3ADkG928509 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w085.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.85]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:46:15 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Perforated Jackets Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:46:15 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 13:46:15.0460 (UTC) FILETIME=[15909E40:01C1E096] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3ADkH928510 That's exactly the point. The whole point behind the design of the Phoenix jacket is ventilation and comfort in hot weather riding. While not an afterthought, protection is secondary to comfort. OTOH, a quality perfed leather jacket is designed primarily with protection in mind and then making it as comfortable as possible. Those are the two ends of the spectrum. And every rider needs to assess the risk (and their tolerance level), make a choice, and then live with the potential consequences. There does seem to be a common theme in the experiences of those who report crashing wearing a Phoenix. The armor seems to do what armor is supposed to do, i.e., protect against impact. But the jacket is "iffy" (at best) in protecting against abrasion in a slide. And more times than not the jacket is a goner. Original Message: ----------------- sorts of results and outcome from the same gear. I'm not sure what this all adds up to. I guess it's all about your own personal comfort level with risk. The important thing is accepting risk, and to do so you can't be in a state of ignorance about the potential outcomes. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 09:47:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3ADlb928529 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from C4ZJ911 ([63.220.27.131]) by smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GUCU1701.ABN for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:41:31 -0400 Message-ID: <014d01c1e094$4ffd0c50$6a00a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: References: <20020410125621.74803.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: When is a stop really a stop? Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:33:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Good question. I do it all the time on my TLR (I can completely stop the wheel rotation then continue). Not so easy on my Shadow Sabre with that massive rake on the front-end. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 8:56 AM Subject: When is a stop really a stop? > I am dealing with lots of 4 way stops on my commute. > Can anyone tell me if the legal definition of a stop > means that your foot or feet must touch the ground? > Thanks > > Mark > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 10:12:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from stmpy-2.cais.net (stmpy-2.cais.net [205.252.14.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AEC5928926 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (220.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.220]) by stmpy-2.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g3AEC4R85072 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <010701c1e094$0d9a9260$dc38e2cf@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Overpass Rock Throwers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:31:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Heads up from Ch4 news -- A number of reports of rocks being thrown from the E Street overpass (near Kennedy Center). Hmmm. Baseball season stirring up idle hands. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 -- Potholes below, rocks above. Back to hibernation? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 10:20:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail01g.rapidsite.net (mail01g.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.232]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3AEKe929112 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.hartzler.net (209.130.84.17) by mail01g.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.62s) with SMTP id 018422 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (zing.hartzler.home [127.0.0.1]) by zing.hartzler.home (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3AEKTE27510 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:20:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:20:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: When is a stop really a stop? In-Reply-To: <20020410133324.12104.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop-Detect: 1 And of course it's completely possible to put your foot down and NOT stop... From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 10:23:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AENL929145 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:23:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: DamonJ@XXXXXX To: mobacc@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Overpass Rock Throwers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:23:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Great! Now not only do I have to watch out for crazy cages, taxi cabs, couriers, and pedestrians, but also rocks flying from above. You gotta love driving into DC. Thanks for the heads up! -----Original Message----- From: mobacc [mailto:mobacc@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:32 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Overpass Rock Throwers Heads up from Ch4 news -- A number of reports of rocks being thrown from the E Street overpass (near Kennedy Center). Hmmm. Baseball season stirring up idle hands. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 -- Potholes below, rocks above. Back to hibernation? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 12:47:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f47.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AGlS901571 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:36:09 -0700 Received: from 68.48.112.121 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:36:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.48.112.121] From: "Rob Keiser" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Overpass Rock Throwers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:36:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 16:36:09.0370 (UTC) FILETIME=[D19BD7A0:01C1E0AD] Don't forget the red light, speeding cameras and potholes! Rob '98 VFR800 From: DamonJ@XXXXXX To: mobacc@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Overpass Rock Throwers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:23:24 -0400 Great! Now not only do I have to watch out for crazy cages, taxi cabs, couriers, and pedestrians, but also rocks flying from above. You gotta love driving into DC. Thanks for the heads up! -----Original Message----- From: mobacc [mailto:mobacc@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:32 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Overpass Rock Throwers Heads up from Ch4 news -- A number of reports of rocks being thrown from the E Street overpass (near Kennedy Center). Hmmm. Baseball season stirring up idle hands. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 -- Potholes below, rocks above. Back to hibernation? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 12:49:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AGnr901592 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:53:35 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B55F@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'cvkgpena@XXXXXX'" , "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: cooler when moving Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:53:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3AGns901593 On Perforated Jackets, PeM-qa posted: "Perfed leather is just fine. At a standstill (especially in traffic), you'll still boil. But it's definitely cooler when moving." . . . cooler when moving . . . arr, thar's the rub eh mahy-tee. Project n+1 is hooking up a $4 Wally Mart air mattress pump for those slow humid treks home in the summer. I'll plug it in the grip heater outlet (switch is handily mounted on the left mirror post) Bilge tubing from Homey D slides into my 'Stich sleeves with ease. Issue is whether or how to cool the air. Carl in Bethesda Will a "Big Gulp" absorb more heat than a Grape "Frostee"? From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 13:15:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AHFe902078 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.35.24ecdbbe (17230) for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:15:29 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <35.24ecdbbe.29e5cd30@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:15:28 EDT Subject: Re: When is a stop really a stop? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/10/2002 9:11:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > if the legal definition of a stop > means that your foot or feet must touch the ground? Hell I know guys that can stop a bike for hours without putting a foot down. I can (on a dirt bike) bump into something, back up, go forward, that is two stops with no foot down at all. and no I do not know the legal definition... Would it apply to cages? That would be fun. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 13:21:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail01g.rapidsite.net (mail01g.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.232]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3AHLw902196 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.hartzler.net (209.130.84.17) by mail01g.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.62s) with SMTP id 021777; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (zing.hartzler.home [127.0.0.1]) by zing.hartzler.home (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3AHLmE28230; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:21:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:21:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: "'DCCycles'" cc: "Custer, Carl" Subject: Re: cooler when moving In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B55F@DCHQCLEXHQ> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop-Detect: 1 Carl -- Consider using water as your heat exchange fluid -- it's MUCH better than air at carrying heat. Also, look into "Peltier junctions" (thermoelectric heat pumps) as a way to move heat out of the water. The other workable option, evaporative heat transfer, requires recharging the water supply... You wouldn't need to cover the whole body with the heat exchange surface, just a spot or two where the blood supply is near the surface, e.g. around the neck. I suppose you could even strap the peltier junctions directly to you, perhaps with a pad of water to avoid frostbite (no joke). Sure wish I'd searched the web *before* I typed all that, because of course Sharper Image already has such a thing for $US 70 (no endorsement implied!): http://www.sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/productview.jhtml?sku=SI731LG2 Unfortunately it looks rather like an "Obedience Collar" such as were once worn on Triskelion... http://www.treasure-troves.com/startrek/TheGamestersOfTriskelion.html -ph On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Custer, Carl wrote: > Project n+1 is hooking up a $4 Wally Mart air mattress pump for those > slow humid treks home in the summer. I'll plug it in the grip heater > outlet (switch is handily mounted on the left mirror post) Bilge tubing > from Homey D slides into my 'Stich sleeves with ease. Issue is whether > or how to cool the air. > > Carl in Bethesda > > Will a "Big Gulp" absorb more heat than a Grape "Frostee"? > From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 13:32:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AHWT902380 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.47.1b418113 (15874); Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.com (mow-m14.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.130]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v84.14) with ESMTP id MAILINID71-0410133219; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:32:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:31:45 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Perforated Jackets Message-ID: <5D347A24.03823675.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Actually, color plays a BIG part in how hot or cold you are. Black absorbs heat and light. White reflects both. A solid black jacket will become hotter than a solid white jacket. I've got the w/r/b perfed jacket and a set of w/r/b Teknic pants that match really well. They're not perfed but, they work great anyway. Had to have the zipper reversed so they could zip together. In a message dated Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:23:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: >I have that same color AGV jacket, and it is wonderful. M- I want to >get some attatching perforated leather pants as well. > >I don't think the color plays much a role. I think i'd be just as >happy with a black fieldsheer jacket. Maybe even happier since the >white can look awful when dirty. (but designs do look better than >solids) > > I am interested in getting some mesh riding gear just for the doubley >hot days where i'm not riding "hard", and just going M- to M- get to a >destination and stop riding. > >However I dont' trush joe rocket stitching.. I'll go with the >fieldsheer mesh version. M- I also feel naked without some knee and shin >padding and protection. M- I want to look into gettting some martial >arts under the garment padding... for my shins, knees, and hips, and >possibly M- combine that with some jeans. M- Having a sore hip sucks.. >having a broken pelvis, well I don't want to know. > > >Danny > >On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:30:43 -0400, you wrote: > >|>I've got a w/r/b perfed AGV jacket that I love for summer riding. M- Because it's mainly white, it's cooler to start of with. M- The perfs just add to it. M- It's also seen the pavement a couple times and has held up great. M- I don't think I'll be getting rid of it anytime soon. M- Just my .02. >|> >|>Scooter >|> >|>In a message dated Tue, 9 Apr 2002 M- 4:39:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Daniel H. Brown" writes: >|> >|>>On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: >|>> >|>>> While we're on the topic, does perforated leather offer any less >|>>> protection than full leathers? I'm thinking about replacing my current >|>>> faux-biker jacket (from The Alley in Chicago), and have been looking at >|>>> Fieldsheer and Vanson stuff. Should I be leery of perf leather, and look >|>>> mostly at the unperforated stuff? >|>>> >|>>> Or will I simply boil come summer? >|>>> >|>> >|>>Vanson has some nice options that have vents in the front. M- Might not be >|>>race legal, and will be pricey, but, if its a Vanson, you KNOW its going to >|>>be a solid jacket. >|>> >|>>-- >|>>Dan Brown >|>>brown@XXXXXX >|>> >|>> > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 13:32:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AHWr902390 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:32:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYinxg/PZPsbBKuDXQSkb8Q/nuU9usp21vG3HfpaAcwM0fBop/+zWeE Received: from [63.123.104.125] (helo=ducman) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vLxk-0006Gh-00; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:32:52 -0400 Message-ID: <00db01c1e0b5$bd456a70$7d687b3f@ducman> From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Peter Hartzler" , "'DCCycles'" Cc: "Custer, Carl" References: Subject: Re: cooler when moving Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:32:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Hmm, maybe I should try this... the question is: How comfortable is this with helmet? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Genna Melamed Please note that my email is changing to genna@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Hartzler" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "Custer, Carl" Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:21 PM Subject: Re: cooler when moving > Carl -- > > Consider using water as your heat exchange fluid -- it's MUCH better than > air at carrying heat. Also, look into "Peltier junctions" > (thermoelectric heat pumps) as a way to move heat out of the water. The > other workable option, evaporative heat transfer, requires recharging the > water supply... > > You wouldn't need to cover the whole body with the heat exchange surface, > just a spot or two where the blood supply is near the surface, e.g. around > the neck. > > I suppose you could even strap the peltier junctions directly to you, > perhaps with a pad of water to avoid frostbite (no joke). > > Sure wish I'd searched the web *before* I typed all that, because of > course Sharper Image already has such a thing for $US 70 (no endorsement > implied!): > > http://www.sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/productview.jhtml?sku=SI731LG2 > > Unfortunately it looks rather like an "Obedience Collar" such as were once > worn on Triskelion... > > http://www.treasure-troves.com/startrek/TheGamestersOfTriskelion.html > > -ph > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Custer, Carl wrote: > > > Project n+1 is hooking up a $4 Wally Mart air mattress pump for those > > slow humid treks home in the summer. I'll plug it in the grip heater > > outlet (switch is handily mounted on the left mirror post) Bilge tubing > > from Homey D slides into my 'Stich sleeves with ease. Issue is whether > > or how to cool the air. > > > > Carl in Bethesda > > > > Will a "Big Gulp" absorb more heat than a Grape "Frostee"? > > > > ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 13:49:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AHnT902698 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:53:12 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B560@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Peter Hartzler'" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: cooler when moving Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:53:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Peter proposed: "Consider using water as your heat exchange fluid -- it's MUCH better than > air at carrying heat. Also, look into "Peltier junctions" > (thermoelectric heat pumps) as a way to move heat out of the water. The > other workable option, evaporative heat transfer, requires recharging the > water supply... > You wouldn't need to cover the whole body with the heat exchange surface, > just a spot or two where the blood supply is near the surface, e.g. around > the neck." [Custer, Carl] I can personally testify about the effectiveness of a wet bandana on the neck, the effectiveness of ambient air moving over the inside wrists, and the "thrill" of donning a wet tee shirt in an air conditioned stop. So yes, I agree, a good cooling spot is where blood flows near the skin. Also, yes, you need to "recharge" the wet things every 60-100 miles. I've also heard of folks filling their 'Stich pockets with ice. > Sure wish I'd searched the web *before* I typed all that, because of > course Sharper Image already has such a thing for $US 70 (no endorsement > implied!): > http://www.sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/productview.jhtml?sku=SI731LG2 [Custer, Carl] Thanks, it looks kewl -- but -- being a cheep bar-steward, and having already invested $4 in the air mattress pump and another $3 in the bilge tubing I'll pursue my homage to Rube Goldberg. The following URL shows the front of the bilge tubing (A piece of screen blocks bugs.) The other ends are loosely zip-tied to the grips for easy insertion into the 'Stich sleeves. Works great >30MPH but not stopped -- ergo the mattress pump. http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 13:55:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AHt3902861 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id n.a.1d2415f3 (15874); Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.com (mow-m18.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.134]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v84.14) with ESMTP id MAILINID71-0410135436; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:54:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:55:10 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: genna@XXXXXX ("Genna Melamed"), pete@XXXXXX ("Peter Hartzler"), dc-cycles@XXXXXX ("'DCCycles'") Cc: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX ("Custer, Carl") Subject: Re: Re: cooler when moving Message-ID: <1A4ACC41.7D0EC797.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit One way to find out. Ride bike to Sharper Image, ask to test out device, put on device, put on helmet. Simple. :-) Scooter In a message dated Wed, 10 Apr 2002 M- 1:33:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Genna Melamed" writes: >Hmm, maybe I should try this... > >the question is: M- How comfortable is this with helmet? > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Genna Melamed >Please note that my email is changing to >genna@XXXXXX >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Hartzler" >To: "'DCCycles'" >Cc: "Custer, Carl" >Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:21 PM >Subject: Re: cooler when moving > > >> Carl -- >> >> Consider using water as your heat exchange fluid -- it's MUCH better than >> air at carrying heat. M- Also, look into "Peltier junctions" >> (thermoelectric heat pumps) as a way to move heat out of the water. M- The >> other workable option, evaporative heat transfer, requires recharging the >> water supply... >> >> You wouldn't need to cover the whole body with the heat exchange surface, >> just a spot or two where the blood supply is near the surface, e.g. around >> the neck. >> >> I suppose you could even strap the peltier junctions directly to you, >> perhaps with a pad of water to avoid frostbite (no joke). >> >> Sure wish I'd searched the web *before* I typed all that, because of >> course Sharper Image already has such a thing for $US 70 (no endorsement >> implied!): >> >> http://www.sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/productview.jhtml?sku=SI731LG2 >> >> Unfortunately it looks rather like an "Obedience Collar" such as were once >> worn on Triskelion... >> >> http://www.treasure-troves.com/startrek/TheGamestersOfTriskelion.html >> >> -ph >> >> On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Custer, Carl wrote: >> >> > Project n+1 is hooking up a $4 Wally Mart air mattress pump for those >> > slow humid treks home in the summer. M- I'll plug it in the grip heater >> > outlet (switch is handily mounted on the left mirror post) M- Bilge tubing >> > from Homey D slides into my 'Stich sleeves with ease. M- Issue is whether >> > or how to cool the air. >> > >> > Carl in Bethesda >> > >> > Will a "Big Gulp" absorb more heat than a Grape "Frostee"? >> > >> >> > > > >################################################################# >################################################################# >################################################################# >##### >##### >##### >################################################################# >################################################################# >################################################################# > From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 14:08:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from msnawa58.usi.net (msnawa58.usi.net [209.135.43.202]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3AI8J903139 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by msnaex05.usi.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:08:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Diep, Tuan (Washington)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: starter problem Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:08:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My '95 CBRF3 has trouble starting. I have to hit the starter several times for a few minutes before it fires up. Adjusting the choke doesn't seem to make a difference and I haven't checked the battery yet. Any ideas/solutions? Thanks Tuan From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 14:12:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail01g.rapidsite.net (mail01g.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.232]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3AICC903225 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.hartzler.net (209.130.84.17) by mail01g.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.62s) with SMTP id 017530; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (zing.hartzler.home [127.0.0.1]) by zing.hartzler.home (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3AHuXE28382; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:56:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:56:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: "Custer, Carl" cc: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: cooler when moving In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B560@DCHQCLEXHQ> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop-Detect: 1 On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Custer, Carl wrote: > (A piece of screen blocks bugs.) Wimp. ;-) Have you played around with different placements for the intake? The spot depicted looks like it might suffer from the votex shadow of the air horns... From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 14:16:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AIGf903334 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w049 ([168.144.108.49]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:16:39 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: cooler when moving Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:16:39 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 18:16:40.0119 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC371C70:01C1E0BB] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3AIGf903335 > Sure wish I'd searched the web *before* I typed all that, because of course Sharper Image already has such a thing for $US 70 (no endorsement implied!): http://www.sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/productview.jhtml?sku=SI731LG2 I've seen pics of people wearing this in the Sharper Image catalog. Does not look like you could wear one with a helmet on. And if you could, it would probably prevent you from being able to tilt your head back. And likely to be a hazard to you in the event of a get-off. > Unfortunately it looks rather like an "Obedience Collar" such as were once worn on Triskelion... http://www.treasure-troves.com/startrek/TheGamestersOfTriskelion.html Yes, it is a total geek piece. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 14:19:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AIJt903361 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w085.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.85]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:19:54 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: starter problem Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:19:54 -0400 To: "tuan.diep@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 18:19:54.0974 (UTC) FILETIME=[505B9FE0:01C1E0BC] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3AIJu903362 Tuan, If it eventually starts, it's more than likely the battery. Does it only happen when you first start it up and is otherwise OK if you turn it off and re-start it after riding? If so, sounds like your battery is no longer holding a charge and just needs to be replaced. If not, it's possible that you have a problem with your re-charging system. Also, can you bump start your bike? Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Diep, Tuan (Washington) Tuan.Diep@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:08:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: starter problem My '95 CBRF3 has trouble starting. I have to hit the starter several times for a few minutes before it fires up. Adjusting the choke doesn't seem to make a difference and I haven't checked the battery yet. Any ideas/solutions? Thanks Tuan -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 14:28:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AISZ903580 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-106-26.s1042.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.106.26] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vMpd-0002PG-00; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:28:33 -0400 Message-ID: <00e101c1e0bd$b05b51a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , , References: Subject: Re: starter problem Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:29:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hmm, I think he means that the starter cranks but the engine won't "fire." I suspect you have worn or fouled spark plugs or that you need a carb cleaning. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: Tuan, If it eventually starts, it's more than likely the battery. Does it only happen when you first start it up and is otherwise OK if you turn it off and re-start it after riding? If so, sounds like your battery is no longer holding a charge and just needs to be replaced. If not, it's possible that you have a problem with your re-charging system. Also, can you bump start your bike? Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Diep, Tuan (Washington) Tuan.Diep@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:08:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: starter problem My '95 CBRF3 has trouble starting. I have to hit the starter several times for a few minutes before it fires up. Adjusting the choke doesn't seem to make a difference and I haven't checked the battery yet. Any ideas/solutions? Thanks Tuan -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 14:41:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AIfg903782 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:41:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYD3rQE74KY+oCmaXacD3GQJ306pGgCMgc6m4S0NCQnxQ6fYCisJGvQ Received: from [63.123.104.125] (helo=ducman) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vN2M-0005Sn-00; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:41:42 -0400 Message-ID: <012401c1e0bf$5a9f01b0$7d687b3f@ducman> From: "Genna Melamed" To: , References: Subject: Re: Re: cooler when moving Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:41:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Actually there is another product from sharper image http://www.sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/productview.jhtml?pid=26726800&pca tid=3&catid=307 looks a little smaller(and cheaper). This is a water cooler. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Genna Melamed Please note that my email is changing to genna@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:16 PM Subject: RE: Re: cooler when moving > Sure wish I'd searched the web *before* I typed all that, because of course Sharper Image already has such a thing for $US 70 (no endorsement implied!): http://www.sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/productview.jhtml?sku=SI731LG2 I've seen pics of people wearing this in the Sharper Image catalog. Does not look like you could wear one with a helmet on. And if you could, it would probably prevent you from being able to tilt your head back. And likely to be a hazard to you in the event of a get-off. > Unfortunately it looks rather like an "Obedience Collar" such as were once worn on Triskelion... http://www.treasure-troves.com/startrek/TheGamestersOfTriskelion.html Yes, it is a total geek piece. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 14:41:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AIfq903792 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from M2W075 ([168.144.108.75]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:41:52 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: starter problem Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:41:52 -0400 To: "pawilson@XXXXXX" , "tuan.diep@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 18:41:52.0264 (UTC) FILETIME=[61862080:01C1E0BF] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3AIfr903793 I agree that if that's the case, the culprit could be a fouled plug(s) and/or dirty carbs. I was experiencing a similar problem and the shop (Crossroads) told me I had a dirty plug. They cleaned it up, so the problem is at least (temporarily) cured. But I still need to replace the plugs anyway (next weekend). Never cleaned carbs. I don't know if it makes any difference, but I usually pour a bottle of carb cleaner into my gas tank at the beginning of the season to help clean them out after sitting around for most of the winter (although I do try to start the bike up and let it run a while at least every other week during the winter months). Original Message: ----------------- From: Paul Wilson pawilson@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:29:35 -0400 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, tuan.diep@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: starter problem Hmm, I think he means that the starter cranks but the engine won't "fire." I suspect you have worn or fouled spark plugs or that you need a carb cleaning. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 14:45:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AIju903935 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from M2W056 ([168.144.108.56]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:45:56 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Re: cooler when moving Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:45:56 -0400 To: "genna@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 18:45:56.0301 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2FB37D0:01C1E0BF] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3AIjv903936 I still think you're going to run into the problem of this thing preventing your neck from tilting back while wearing a helmet. But Scooter's suggestion of going to the Shaper Image and trying one one with your helmet is the only way to know And I'd be worried about having something wrapped around my neck in the event of a crash. Original Message: ----------------- From: Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:41:40 -0400 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: cooler when moving Actually there is another product from sharper image http://www.sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/productview.jhtml?pid=26726800&pca tid=3&catid=307 looks a little smaller(and cheaper). This is a water cooler. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 14:52:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AIqp904093 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.58]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020410185235.QLWA24238.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:52:35 +0000 Received: from [192.101.175.2] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:52:34 +0000 From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:52:34 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 27 2002) Message-Id: <20020410185235.QLWA24238.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Wow, impact abrasion. This is the first I've ever heard of it. I guess that basically you hit the road and the jacket, etc. stays in place while your arm, etc. keeps moving inside of the jacket. The road pushes the jacket into your arm with great force causing the abrasion. What could limit this effect? Tighter leather? (no room to move inside of the jacket) Possibly a liner with a lower friction coefficient... Has anybody ever studied this? -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star Classic >True - called impact abrasion. My body's been scuffed >under left intact >jeans and left intact leather. I suspect layered >clothes might reduce >the effect, but I'll be damned If I'm jumping off a >moving bike to test >my theory. > >Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 14:55:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AItN904128 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:59:05 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B562@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Peter Hartzler'" Cc: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: cooler when moving Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:59:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain > > (A piece of screen blocks bugs.) Hartzler harangues: > Wimp. ;-) [Custer, Carl] Ah jest didn' want to challenge the testimony of others who claimed a wasp up the sleeve was disquieting. 8^D > Have you played around with different placements for the intake? [Custer, Carl] Nope, that was a handy place to tie them, looked like a high pressure spot, and the air flow over my wrists felt go-ood. In addition to being cheep, ah'm lazy. > The spot depicted looks like it might suffer from the votex shadow of the > air horns... [Custer, Carl] It'sor-ite I can take the heat when honkin' the tooters. From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 15:11:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AJBx904448 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w092.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.92]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:11:58 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Perforated Jackets Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:11:58 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 19:11:58.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[964826C0:01C1E0C3] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3AJC1904449 I don't know about "studying" so-called impact abrasion, but probably the best way to minimize it is to wear something under your suit/jacket that won't bind to put a layer between your skin and the inside liner. Something lycra-like comes to mind. I usually wear a Coolmax t-shirt, but with short sleeves it's not gonna help protect my elbows and forearm against potential abrasion. I know there is at least one company (can't remember who) that makes what amounts to a "body suit" to be worn inside race leathers that is designed both to help keep you cooler and minimize abrasion in the event of a crash. This stuff might also do the trick: http://www.helmetharbor.com/estore/products.cfm?seriesid=CoolStuff+Mens+Cool+Shirt+and+Pants Another benefit of wearing something like this under a suit is that it makes it a whole lot easier to slip in and out of it. Original Message: ----------------- Wow, impact abrasion. This is the first I've ever heard of it. I guess that basically you hit the road and the jacket, etc. stays in place while your arm, etc. keeps moving inside of the jacket. The road pushes the jacket into your arm with great force causing the abrasion. What could limit this effect? Tighter leather? (no room to move inside of the jacket) Possibly a liner with a lower friction coefficient... Has anybody ever studied this? -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 15:20:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14008.mail.yahoo.com (web14008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.124]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3AJKP904695 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020410192024.52945.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.24] by web14008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:20:24 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:20:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: cooler when moving To: "Custer, Carl" , "'Peter Hartzler'" Cc: "'DCCycles'" In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B562@DCHQCLEXHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hmm, if you had one of those mattress pumps in the tubing, the wasps might not survive the trip from the intake to the sleeve. Of course, if it did survive the trip it probably wouldn't be very happy on arrival. Leon. it's nice to see another bike with eccentric cheap farkles. --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > > > (A piece of screen blocks bugs.) > Hartzler harangues: > > Wimp. ;-) > [Custer, Carl] > Ah jest didn' want to challenge the testimony of > others who claimed > a wasp up the sleeve was disquieting. 8^D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 16:14:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AKEV905460 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:14:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaHRu3h6SSegogGzNeLHwUKiyT4i0pedIbSWiZ0c6ggZWFmrKxxlfuN Received: from [63.123.104.125] (helo=ducman) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vOUA-0001Zx-00; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:14:30 -0400 Message-ID: <014601c1e0cc$50f92520$7d687b3f@ducman> From: "Genna Melamed" To: , References: Subject: Re: Re: Re: cooler when moving Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:14:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Hey, maybe it will act as a neck brace :) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Genna Melamed Please note that my email is changing to genna@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:45 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: cooler when moving I still think you're going to run into the problem of this thing preventing your neck from tilting back while wearing a helmet. But Scooter's suggestion of going to the Shaper Image and trying one one with your helmet is the only way to know And I'd be worried about having something wrapped around my neck in the event of a crash. Original Message: ----------------- From: Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:41:40 -0400 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: cooler when moving Actually there is another product from sharper image http://www.sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/productview.jhtml?pid=26726800&pca tid=3&catid=307 looks a little smaller(and cheaper). This is a water cooler. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 16:19:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AKJ3905553 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w093.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.93]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:19:02 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: cooler when moving Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:19:02 -0400 To: "genna@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 20:19:02.0979 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4E6A130:01C1E0CC] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3AKJ4905554 Either that or rip your throat out! %^) Original Message: ----------------- From: Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:14:26 -0400 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Re: cooler when moving Hey, maybe it will act as a neck brace :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 17:13:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3ALDP906565 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:17:07 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B564@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Leon Begeman'" , "'Peter Hartzler'" Cc: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: cooler when moving Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:17:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Deere driver deigned, "Hmm, if you had one of those mattress pumps in the tubing, the wasps might not survive the trip from the intake to the sleeve. Of course, if it did survive the trip it probably wouldn't be very happy on arrival." Dizzy busy bees Spinning stingers scary Screens survive "it's nice to see another bike with eccentric cheap farkles." Ah'm from the gummimint and here to entertain yah. From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 17:15:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3ALFJ906636 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-106-183.s1199.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.106.183] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vPQz-00016g-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:15:17 -0400 Message-ID: <034401c1e0d4$f22e6560$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Mesh jacket - crash scene report Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:12:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Forwarded without comment from the LDRider list: "I have seen one person go down while wearing a Phoenix jacket. This accident happened at about 45 to 55 mph while riding in the hills. They were wearing jeans for pants. It was a low side crash. They didn't get the benefit of a "slide to a stop" to see how well the jacket performed as they eventually slid off the side of road and down into a gully, but I'd say they slid at least 50 to 60 feet before departing the road. Subject's knees,legs and butt were hamburger. Upper body was in pretty good shape. No broken bones, and the jacket held up better than I thought. Elbow pads were worn down to almost nothing, but did not wear through. I don't know how the pads stayed in the jacket as there wasn't much left to hold them in. Back was severely abraded (he still had back pad in) and the rest of the arms were pretty torn up. I saw NO evidence of melting fabric, though it was pretty torn up to be able to tell. Guy had road rash on his wrists (he was wearing some light weight gloves) and his palms. He had a little bit of rash on his lower back where it looked like the jacket came up a bit during the slide. He did not have the jacket on very tight, nor did he have it zipped to his pants. All in all - I'd say the jacket did its job, though it wasn't a "worst case" scenario. Had he slid further on the pavement, I'm sure the pads would have worn through, though the back pads could have taken more abuse. I will also say that this rider did some tumbling instead of getting flat on the ground. The tumbling probably helped by not subjecting the jacket to extreme sliding conditions. Jeans looked like .... a bloody mess. I think he did break a leg and a rib." Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F www.wilsonline.org Join the VFR750 list >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfr750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 17:25:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.ncifcrf.gov (mail.NCIFCRF.GOV [129.43.100.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3ALPa906775 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitko10.ncifcrf.gov ([129.43.47.227]) by mail.ncifcrf.gov (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g3ALPY017625 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mitko10.ncifcrf.gov with Microsoft Mail id <01C1E0B5.0595F2A0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:27:43 -0700 Message-ID: <01C1E0B5.0595F2A0@mitko10.ncifcrf.gov> From: LORI To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: SPAM: Bike for sale Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:27:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bike for sale: 1995 750 Yamaha Virago Red/White 41,000 miles. Corbin Seat w/sissy bar, chrome extras (sidecovers, frame cover), antivibration foam grips, and DOWCO cover. Pipes scratched, small scratch in tank from low speed drop in rain. $3200.00 Email me (Lori): motorcyclegrl@XXXXXX or call (w) 301-846-5809 From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 17:30:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20105.mail.yahoo.com (web20105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3ALUQ906956 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020410213018.7835.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.253.132.218] by web20105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:30:18 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:30:18 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Mesh jacket - crash scene report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <034401c1e0d4$f22e6560$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And the vast majority of people ride around in jeans... They deserve whatever they get, IMO. I'm toying with getting a Raptor but I too didn't like the feel of the leather even though JR claims 1.4mm. Sure didn't feel like it. MOre like fashion leather to me. The thing is: "just going round town" can easily lead to doing 60+mph on say the beltway or US-50/29/GW Parkway. So that argument to me doesn't hold water. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 18:45:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3AMjv908250 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vaio (pcp720944pcs.alxndr01.va.comcast.net [68.49.202.82]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with SMTP id <0GUD00DRFJ8B57@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:45:50 -0400 From: James Reazor Subject: RE: Perforated Jackets In-reply-to: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > Steve, > I put my hands on a Reactor jacket last sunday at a swap meet, > and I was not > impressed. The leather is so thin it reminds me of the fashion leather > available at stores like Wilson's in the mall. > Personally I have more confidence in the Phoenix. Given it's track record > both with listers and others, I would chose the Phoenix if I were > to buy one > of these light weight jackets. > Personally, I'm saving for a Vanson pro-perf to use when the CSRX is too > hot. > > Dave Moquin > 99 VFR 800 I have to agree with Dave's assessment. I saw a Reactor at Cycle Sport in Alexandria last week. I think I'd go with the Phoenix and save the extra cash. I doubt that the Reactor offers any more protection from the looks of it. I could be wrong. I have a perfed First Gear Pilot that works really well for me. I haven't crashed in it but it is comfortable and it has these cool little zippered pockets on the forearms that are extremely convenient for toll money (you have to appreciate the little things in life). WARNING: If you want a response to this message to go to the VFR list you'll have to add the address. I removed the VFR list from this reply because I don't know anyone there that isn't here and am not a big fan of cross posting. -James '00 SV650 From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 19:11:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13808.mail.yahoo.com (web13808.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3ANBN908673 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020410231122.52676.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.81.74] by web13808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:11:22 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:11:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Mesh jacket - crash scene report To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020410213018.7835.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good point. I am guilty of wearing jeans in town. Is there an alternative to jeans like the Phoenx jacket? --- matthew patton wrote: > And the vast majority of people ride around in > jeans... They deserve > whatever they get, IMO. I'm toying with getting a > Raptor but I too > didn't like the feel of the leather even though JR > claims 1.4mm. Sure > didn't feel like it. MOre like fashion leather to > me. > > The thing is: "just going round town" can easily > lead to doing 60+mph > on say the beltway or US-50/29/GW Parkway. So that > argument to me > doesn't hold water. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 19:14:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20105.mail.yahoo.com (web20105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3ANEf908774 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020410231440.29869.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.28.205.82] by web20105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:14:40 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:14:40 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Mesh jacket - crash scene report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020410231122.52676.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Phoenix overpants and Ballistic overpants. I have had the latter since day one. great stuff and will protect vastly better than jeans alone. Now granted I still wear jeans under them. I would definately not recommend shorts no matter what the overpant. Motorcycling is a long-sleeve/long-pant sport. "Deal with it." %^) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 20:24:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3B0OE909869 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup-64.157.58.247.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([64.157.58.247] helo=ix.netcom.com) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16vSNX-000274-00; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:23:55 -0400 Message-ID: <3CB4D764.7050303@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:23:00 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mesh jacket - crash scene report References: <20020410231440.29869.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No. Motorcycling is a "you make your choices and take your chances" sport. People who just "ride around" in jeans (and I have been "guilty" of such) do indeed get what they deserve. But when I do it, I recognize the risks of my actions and am willing to accept the consequences. And at least in my case, "tootling around town" is pretty much just what I do when I make the decision to ride in jeans and my "fashion leather" bomber jacket. It's just a trip to Java Shack or CarPool and not more than 2-3 miles. No beltway, no parkway. Just city streets. And being the responsible and law-abiding rider that I am, I am never in excess of the posted speed limits. %^) matthew patton wrote: > > Motorcycling is a long-sleeve/long-pant sport. "Deal with it." %^) From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 21:28:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3B1Sn910856 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g3B1SjM29347; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:28:46 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re: Perforated Jackets Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:28:45 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02041021284500.19115@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 10 April 2002 15:11, cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > I know there is at least one company (can't > remember who) that makes what amounts to a "body suit" to be worn inside > race eathers that is designed both to help keep you cooler and minimize > abrasion in the event of a crash. Survey says.... BUUUUZZZZZZZ. Definatly keeps you cooler... hasn't done a thing to keep the skin on my arms and shoulders. This is during high-speed impacts though... YMMV at lower speeds. I've heard putting baby powder under your leathers helps, but I haven't tried it... I would also think that any amount of sweat would negate it. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 21:52:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3B1ql911268 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA25670 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:52:45 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020410220439.045a0d70@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:04:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Sold! - (was Off Topic - Cage for sale) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:37 AM 4/7/02 -0400, you wrote: >Pics and specs on the car at http://www.ws6.org/ If anyone 'net savvy buys >the car, I'll also transfer the ws6.org domain to them (for whatever fee >I'm charged). > >Thanks! > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ Thanks to all for the interest, the car is sold. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 10 23:05:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f82.hotmail.com [216.32.181.82]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3B351912386 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:53:43 -0700 Received: from 151.200.12.23 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 02:53:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.12.23] From: "Sanath S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycle towing company Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:53:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 02:53:43.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[178DC3D0:01C1E104] Anyone know of company around Herndon, Chantilly (Fairfax county) that will tow a motorcycle? My auto club could not find me one in time. My bike decided to not start. I need the bike towed from Chantilly to Woodbridge. Thanks in advance Sanath _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 00:30:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rasmus.futurequest.net (rasmus.futurequest.net [63.151.112.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3B4U8913689 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12894 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 04:30:29 -0000 Received: from motorcyclegearreview.com (63.151.113.84) by rasmus.futurequest.net (63.151.112.3 ); 11 Apr 2002 04:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.61.44.77) by motorcyclegearreview.com (63.151.113.84) with ESMTP; 11 Apr 2002 04:30:29 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:30:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Motorcycle towing company From: David Cross To: Sanath S , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > decided to not start. I need the bike towed from Chantilly to Woodbridge. I hope you are not talking about the new Ducati you were thinking about getting? Any idea why it won't start? Is it electircal/battery? If so I assume you tried to bump start it. Dave From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 05:37:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3B9b5918351 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-1-94.s348.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.1.94] helo=p300) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vb0q-0002yx-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:37:04 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:37:16 -0400 Message-ID: <68mabuk8jgo6egbu9ltiv5v4jc4b6a18bo@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3B9bF918352 So the phoenix jacket crash victims get road rash is the common theme? From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 05:48:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3B9m0918524 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-1-94.s348.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.1.94] helo=p300) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vbBO-0003QQ-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:47:59 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:48:11 -0400 Message-ID: <6bmabukp7g7jbdlvn2gjorrqg6hlsp8kvu@4ax.com> References: <5D347A24.03823675.0C9D3659@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <5D347A24.03823675.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3B9m1918525 I've seen the matching pants on ebay... but.. I have a bad feelign about white pants getting really dirty. They are usually smaller in size.. like 32-34.. if you're that small you might want to keep an eye open. You assert the white/black are different as far as keeping you cool, in the relationship to perforated leathers. Do you have any data to support your statement? I'm not saying you're wrong nor lying, I just like to be scientific and know the basis of the facts I accept. I'm pretty sure the color scheme of some things matter as far as temperatures but i'm not willing to blindly accept it makes a difference for everything. I suspect it may not make a difference in perforated leather jackets since air isnt' exactly contained. I'd just like to see the evidence to support the theories. Anyone got two identical thermometers? of course the bad part about conducting such a test is that if it's warm enough to conduct the test, it's better to be riding with them on ; ) Danny On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:31:45 -0400, you wrote: |>Actually, color plays a BIG part in how hot or cold you are. Black absorbs heat and light. White reflects both. A solid black jacket will become hotter than a solid white jacket. I've got the w/r/b perfed jacket and a set of w/r/b Teknic pants that match really well. They're not perfed but, they work great anyway. Had to have the zipper reversed so they could zip together. |> |>In a message dated Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:23:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: |> |>>I have that same color AGV jacket, and it is wonderful. M-BM- I want to |>>get some attatching perforated leather pants as well. |>> |>>I don't think the color plays much a role. I think i'd be just as |>>happy with a black fieldsheer jacket. Maybe even happier since the |>>white can look awful when dirty. (but designs do look better than |>>solids) |>> |>> I am interested in getting some mesh riding gear just for the doubley |>>hot days where i'm not riding "hard", and just going M-BM- to M-BM- get to a |>>destination and stop riding. |>> |>>However I dont' trush joe rocket stitching.. I'll go with the |>>fieldsheer mesh version. M-BM- I also feel naked without some knee and shin |>>padding and protection. M-BM- I want to look into gettting some martial |>>arts under the garment padding... for my shins, knees, and hips, and |>>possibly M-BM- combine that with some jeans. M-BM- Having a sore hip sucks.. |>>having a broken pelvis, well I don't want to know. |>> |>> |>>Danny |>> |>>On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:30:43 -0400, you wrote: |>> |>>|>I've got a w/r/b perfed AGV jacket that I love for summer riding. M-BM- Because it's mainly white, it's cooler to start of with. M-BM- The perfs just add to it. M-BM- It's also seen the pavement a couple times and has held up great. M-BM- I don't think I'll be getting rid of it anytime soon. M-BM- Just my .02. |>>|> |>>|>Scooter |>>|> |>>|>In a message dated Tue, 9 Apr 2002 M-BM- 4:39:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Daniel H. Brown" writes: |>>|> |>>|>>On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: |>>|>> |>>|>>> While we're on the topic, does perforated leather offer any less |>>|>>> protection than full leathers? I'm thinking about replacing my current |>>|>>> faux-biker jacket (from The Alley in Chicago), and have been looking at |>>|>>> Fieldsheer and Vanson stuff. Should I be leery of perf leather, and look |>>|>>> mostly at the unperforated stuff? |>>|>>> |>>|>>> Or will I simply boil come summer? |>>|>>> |>>|>> |>>|>>Vanson has some nice options that have vents in the front. M-BM- Might not be |>>|>>race legal, and will be pricey, but, if its a Vanson, you KNOW its going to |>>|>>be a solid jacket. |>>|>> |>>|>>-- |>>|>>Dan Brown |>>|>>brown@XXXXXX |>>|>> |>>|>> |>> |>> From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 05:54:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3B9sO918629 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-1-94.s348.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.1.94] helo=p300) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vbHb-0003jL-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:54:23 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX, pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:54:35 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020410185235.QLWA24238.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <20020410185235.QLWA24238.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3B9sP918630 Actually from what I heard, the impact abraision comes from materials you wear and the looseness of your leathers. From what I hear, tighter leathers are better. I think the less your body travels inside the leather the better, as that is the travel of abraision. Also I kind of trust the inside mesh layer of my leathers to help avoid that... verses say cotton clothing which has been known to be embeded into some people's skin if worn under leathers. I think that cool layer suit would help keep you cooler by creating space between a persons skin and leathers.. space for air flow. Danny From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 05:56:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3B9uF918652 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-1-94.s348.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.1.94] helo=p300) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vbJO-0003oG-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:56:14 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Mark Kitchell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: When is a stop really a stop? Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:56:27 -0400 Message-ID: <8bnabuk8fi38vqus8m7sobn5la42a6s21j@4ax.com> References: <20020410125621.74803.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020410125621.74803.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3B9uG918653 my high school driving instruction a decade ago said "when your vehicle's weight settle's back" (that's without the use of accellerationof course). I can come to a complete stop without putting my foot down. Danny. On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 05:56:21 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>I am dealing with lots of 4 way stops on my commute. |>Can anyone tell me if the legal definition of a stop |>means that your foot or feet must touch the ground? |>Thanks |> |>Mark |> |>===== |> |> |>__________________________________________________ |>Do You Yahoo!? |>Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax |>http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 06:00:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BA0F918834 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-1-94.s348.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.1.94] helo=p300) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vbNG-0003zO-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:00:15 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: When is a stop really a stop? Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:00:27 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020410125621.74803.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> <20020410131809.74780.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020410131809.74780.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3BA0G918835 I woudln't mind demonstrating to a cop that I could come to a complete stop without putting my foot down.... by pulling a high endo, letting the back land, and then pulling off. heh heh.. I mean with his permission to demonstrate suchof course... "always obey the officer" Danny From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 06:03:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BA3a918873 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-1-94.s348.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.1.94] helo=p300) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vbQV-00048E-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:03:36 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Mark Kitchell Cc: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list Subject: Re: When is a stop really a stop? Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:03:48 -0400 Message-ID: <7qnabu0rr2dgb828nspjgtc6c6looo0h8e@4ax.com> References: <005501c1e094$18923060$bb82fea9@palladio1> <20020410133324.12104.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020410133324.12104.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3BA3b918874 One thing for sure is... if you come to a complete stop without putting your foot down, then accellerate and a cop pulls you over, that is one dic#head assinine cop who musta finished hs last donught 2 minutes ago and got bored. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 06:05:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BA5t918982 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-1-94.s348.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.1.94] helo=p300) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vbSk-0004EP-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:05:54 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "mobacc" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Overpass Rock Throwers Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:06:07 -0400 Message-ID: References: <010701c1e094$0d9a9260$dc38e2cf@micron> In-Reply-To: <010701c1e094$0d9a9260$dc38e2cf@micron> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3BA5u918983 I remember something like that happening some years back in our area... some people were getting badly hurt. I think one person may have died? some people don't deserve to have hands. On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:31:34 -0400, you wrote: |>Heads up from Ch4 news -- A number of reports of rocks being thrown from the |>E Street overpass (near Kennedy Center). Hmmm. Baseball season stirring up |>idle hands. |> |> |>Bill S. / DC |>'99 VN750 -- Potholes below, rocks above. Back to hibernation? |>Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. |> From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 06:06:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BA6R918999 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-1-94.s348.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.1.94] helo=p300) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vbTH-0004Fy-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:06:27 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Rob Keiser" Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Overpass Rock Throwers Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:06:40 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3BA6S919000 |>Don't forget the red light, speeding cameras and potholes! and road chemicals.. anti freeze and oil From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 06:09:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BA9m919064 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-1-94.s348.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.1.94] helo=p300) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vbWV-0004P1-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:09:47 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Mesh jacket - crash scene report Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:10:00 -0400 Message-ID: References: <034401c1e0d4$f22e6560$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <034401c1e0d4$f22e6560$bb82fea9@palladio1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3BA9n919065 thanks for forwarding that. ALl i can say is ouch. I think if i had oen, i might add some fabric to form a drop down belt loop with a button fly type of attatchment. So you swing it down, through your belt, back up, then button the button. I always like wearing my belt when i ride. i figure that thick layer over my spin is better. Danny From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 06:13:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BADr919223 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-1-94.s348.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.1.94] helo=p300) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vbaS-0004bx-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:13:52 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mesh jacket - crash scene report Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:14:05 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020410231440.29869.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> <3CB4D764.7050303@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <3CB4D764.7050303@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3BADs919224 In the summer I usually where my leathers with shorts underneath and remove the leathers when i get to my destination. There are only usually a couple of hot days per year where i'll not wear the leather pants and wear just jeans and that's when i believe i won't do a lot of highway milage. Today I did wear just jeans tho becasue i only expected to go less than 5 miles and back, and of course I did a lot more riding than that and leaned my bike a little and did a few stunts. usually i feel naked with just jeans, but i only felt that way in the curves. the stunts (wheelie and endo) I didnt' seem to notice any difference. but tomorrow like every other riding day.. it's full leathers. Danny From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 08:33:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BCXr921313 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-66.patriot.net [209.249.181.66]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3BCXoE16606; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:33:50 -0400 Message-ID: <3CB58413.4A65A3FA@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:39:47 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sanath S CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle towing company References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Henry's towed mine once. They used a "stinger", the hook that extends back. Probably wouldn't work on a bike with plastic. Mine is a Harley and the driver ran a couple straps, hoisted the bike up, secured the wheels to the snatch blocks and hauled Hawg! Or you could rent a trailer from U-haul, about $20, and tow it. If you need a two vehicle I've loaned my pickemup truck to listers before but I won't be this weekend. Check me on my cell (703) 624-9648 if you want to hook up, so to speak. Bill Sanath S wrote: > Anyone know of company around Herndon, Chantilly (Fairfax county) that will > tow a motorcycle? My auto club could not find me one in time. My bike > decided to not start. I need the bike towed from Chantilly to Woodbridge. > > Thanks in advance > Sanath > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 09:07:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f138.hotmail.com [216.32.181.138]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BD7X921872 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:07:27 -0700 Received: from 208.224.173.2 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:07:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.224.173.2] From: "Sanath S" To: dave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle towing company Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:07:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 13:07:27.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[D440CCC0:01C1E159] Yep, its my brand new Ducati, imagine that. I was out riding yesterday afternoon and everything was running perfectly, came back to the office and parked it. A couple of hours later about to go home, I turn the key to "ON" and the usual hum that I hear of the fuel pump is not there, when I push the start botton nothing. I have no idea what happened, I dont think I left the battery on. Tried to bump start it, no luck. I am guessing the battery is dead. Called the dealer, he told me do some basic stuff all which I had already tried. My only option now is to find a tow company that will tow a motorcycle to the dealer in woodbridge. Like I said earlier my auto club was not about to locate anyone who could handle motorcycles. Sanath >From: David Cross >To: Sanath S , >Subject: Re: Motorcycle towing company >Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:30:04 -0400 > > > decided to not start. I need the bike towed from Chantilly to >Woodbridge. > > >I hope you are not talking about the new Ducati you were thinking about >getting? > >Any idea why it won't start? Is it electircal/battery? If so I assume you >tried to bump start it. > >Dave > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 09:17:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14601.mail.yahoo.com (web14601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3BDHc922046 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020411131737.53701.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:17:37 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:17:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Motorcycle towing company To: Sanath S , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii independent motorcycle transport 301 946-5412 you sure you didn't just forget to raise the kickstand? --- Sanath S wrote: > Anyone know of company around Herndon, Chantilly (Fairfax > county) that will > tow a motorcycle? My auto club could not find me one in > time. My bike > decided to not start. I need the bike towed from > Chantilly to Woodbridge. > > Thanks in advance > Sanath __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 09:18:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BDIT922066 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w086.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.86]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:18:28 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Re: Perforated Jackets Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:18:28 -0400 To: "roach@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 13:18:28.0695 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E823670:01C1E15B] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3BDIU922067 Roach, The lining I've seen in most leathers is mesh-like (presumably for air flow and I guess also so help air them out after wearing them so they don't get all stinky) and is sorta "rough." In direct contact with skin, it's going to cause some sort of abrasion. So anything you put inbetween your skin and the lining that isn't "rough" is at least going to help (some) in preventing any potential rash. Cotton is probably no-good. But lyca-like stuff would probably fit the bill. But crashing is crashing and there's probably nothing that can be done to absolutely, positively eliminate the possibility of rash from a crash, even when wearing full protective leathers. I think the best you can do is take reasonable steps to reduce or minimize it. The rash you want to avoid at all costs is skin in direct contact with pavement. Rash from the inside of a suit is likely to be insignificant by comparison. BTW, who makes the bodysuit thing and how much does it cost? Chuck Original Message: ----------------- Definatly keeps you cooler... hasn't done a thing to keep the skin on my arms and shoulders. This is during high-speed impacts though... YMMV at lower speeds. I've heard putting baby powder under your leathers helps, but I haven't tried it... I would also think that any amount of sweat would negate it. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 09:19:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14610.mail.yahoo.com (web14610.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.242]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3BDJ7922076 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020411131906.40430.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:19:06 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Motorcycle towing company To: Sanath S , dave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii did you check the starter relay? --- Sanath S wrote: > Yep, its my brand new Ducati, imagine that. I was out > riding yesterday > afternoon and everything was running perfectly, came back > to the office and > parked it. A couple of hours later about to go home, I > turn the key to "ON" > and the usual hum that I hear of the fuel pump is not > there, when I push the > start botton nothing. I have no idea what happened, I > dont think I left the > battery on. Tried to bump start it, no luck. I am > guessing the battery is > dead. Called the dealer, he told me do some basic stuff > all which I had > already tried. > > My only option now is to find a tow company that will tow > a motorcycle to > the dealer in woodbridge. Like I said earlier my auto > club was not about to > locate anyone who could handle motorcycles. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 09:19:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BDJL922086 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w042 ([168.144.108.42]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:19:20 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Re: Perforated Jackets Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:19:20 -0400 To: "roach@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 13:19:20.0502 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D635560:01C1E15B] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3BDJM922087 Roach, The lining I've seen in most leathers is mesh-like (presumably for air flow and I guess also so help air them out after wearing them so they don't get all stinky) and is sorta "rough." In direct contact with skin, it's going to cause some sort of abrasion. So anything you put inbetween your skin and the lining that isn't "rough" is at least going to help (some) in preventing any potential rash. Cotton is probably no-good. But lyca-like stuff would probably fit the bill. But crashing is crashing and there's probably nothing that can be done to absolutely, positively eliminate the possibility of rash from a crash, even when wearing full protective leathers. I think the best you can do is take reasonable steps to reduce or minimize it. The rash you want to avoid at all costs is skin in direct contact with pavement. Rash from the inside of a suit is likely to be insignificant by comparison. BTW, who makes the bodysuit thing and how much does it cost? Chuck Original Message: ----------------- Definatly keeps you cooler... hasn't done a thing to keep the skin on my arms and shoulders. This is during high-speed impacts though... YMMV at lower speeds. I've heard putting baby powder under your leathers helps, but I haven't tried it... I would also think that any amount of sweat would negate it. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 09:21:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3BDLP922210 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 23617 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 06:21:19 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.179 (HELO mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.167) with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 06:21:19 -0700 X-Sent: 11 Apr 2002 13:21:19 GMT Received: from [63.87.200.2] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: ertangulec@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:21:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020411062118.24749.c002-h015.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> Morning all: Ok, here's an interesting situation that I thought I could only bring here. My friend Anton is in a bit of a predicament. He is a diplomat from Turkey and is now living here. Apparently, as a diplomat you are only allowed to own one vehicle in the wonderful U-S-of-A. (I learn something new every day). What's the problem? He wants to buy a bike. A friend of his was going to purchase the bike, and Anton wants to be the primary rider on it, so he's been trying to get insurance. Nobody will insure him for this situation. Each insurance company has given him a different reason why this won't work. I'm not sure there is any option for him on this one, but was wondering if anyone had any advice, thoughts, insight into this one... Thanks! Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 09:26:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BDQa922301 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w042 ([168.144.108.42]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:26:36 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Motorcycle towing company Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:26:36 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 13:26:36.0352 (UTC) FILETIME=[812CC400:01C1E15C] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3BDQb922302 I hate it when that happens! %^) On more than one occassion I've tried to start my m/c up, cursed when it wouldn't fire up, and then realized I had the kickstand down and the bike in gear. But shouldn't make any difference if the transmission was in neutral. And I think Sanath said he tried to bump start it, so I assume he would've had the kickstand up. But geez. He just spent beaucoup bucks on a brand spankin' new Duc. It won't start. He checks everything the dealer tells him to check and it still won't start. And the dealer won't come get it??? Seems like you ought to get better service if your going to lay out that kind of moola. So much for the joys of owning an expensive, exotic, Italian sportbike (yes, I'm jealous). Chuck Original Message: ----------------- you sure you didn't just forget to raise the kickstand? -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 09:32:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from links.magenta.com (jdonovan@XXXXXX [206.46.31.146]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BDW7922467 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g3BDJ0p14614; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:19:00 -0400 (EDT) From: JD To: LAURA GRANATO cc: , Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <20020411062118.24749.c002-h015.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Morning all: Ok, here's an interesting situation that > I thought I could only bring here. > > My friend Anton is in a bit of a predicament. He is a > diplomat from Turkey and is now living here. > Apparently, as a diplomat you are only allowed to own > one vehicle in the wonderful U-S-of-A. (I learn > something new every day). What's the problem? He > wants to buy a bike. > he could allways lease a bike, or if they dont lease the model he wants, lease the car, and own the bike. -jd From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 09:32:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3BDWn922484 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020411133248.4600.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:32:48 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:32:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Re: Motorcycle towing company To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > I hate it when that happens! %^) On more than one > occassion I've tried to start my m/c up, cursed when it > wouldn't fire up, and then realized I had the kickstand > down and the bike in gear. But shouldn't make any > difference if the transmission was in neutral. And I > think Sanath said he tried to bump start it, so I assume > he would've had the kickstand up. i didn't see his second post until after i pressed "send." my bad. > But geez. He just > spent beaucoup bucks on a brand spankin' new Duc. It > won't start. He checks everything the dealer tells him > to check and it still won't start. And the dealer won't > come get it??? Seems like you ought to get better > service if your going to lay out that kind of moola. So > much for the joys of owning an expensive, exotic, Italian > sportbike (yes, I'm jealous). dealer will pick up the towing tab. RIGHT SANATH!?!?! you will be forcing them to, i'm certain. i tell you what, though (and this i forgot to warn him before--sorry), coleman powersport set that machine up. coleman set mine up too (and them sent it to battley where i purchased it (i found this out by inspecting the records))....and the job was done really half-assed. i was re-torquing shit all over the place, they incorrectly installed the windscreen, etc. it would be worth it to at least attempt to force them to give the bike a thorough going-over, to set your mind at ease. -- tg > Original Message: > ----------------- > > you sure you didn't just forget to raise the kickstand? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 09:35:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from nessie.crosslink.net (mail@XXXXXX [206.246.124.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BDZJ922581 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailserver1.crosslink.net (yeti.crosslink.net [206.246.124.17]) by nessie.crosslink.net (8.12.1/) with ESMTP id g3BDZISv008901; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:35:18 -0400 X-Really-To: Received: from [128.38.92.17] (account ) by mailserver1.crosslink.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1) with HTTP id 73140933; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:35:17 -0400 From: biga@XXXXXX (Andrew Culpepper) Subject: Re: diplomat wants bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:35:17 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020411062118.24749.c002-h015.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:21:17 -0700 (PDT) "LAURA GRANATO" wrote: ..... > I'm not sure there is any option for him on this one, > but was wondering if anyone had any advice, thoughts, > insight into this one... Sell the car. Andrew '90 EX500 '01 ZR-7S From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 09:40:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from voyager.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BDeI922648 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by voyager.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g3BDi3i08950 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:44:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:38:58 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:38:15 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: Re: Motorcycle towing company Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3BDeM922649 Ahh, nothing like that Italian character.... poke poke :o) George Cole 01 FZ1 >>> "Sanath S" 04/11/02 09:07AM >>> Yep, its my brand new Ducati, imagine that From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 09:41:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.194.225.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BDf4922659 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (max3k-92.his.com [216.194.204.92]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA24206 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020411094135.015c23c4@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:41:38 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: named operators Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If the persons who "owns" the bike resides in the same house as your friend he can be rightly listed on the policy as a regular operator. If they live in different households no insurance company will list him as a operator, weather it is a car or motorcycle. The owner of the bike can give "permissive use" to anyone he wants, but if your friend is the primary user of the machine, or is actually paying for it in a back door sort of way, no insurance company will touch that either. Even if they could get a policy by misrepresentation, in the event of a claim coverage would likely be denied as the policy would be rescinded to its incept date & the premium returned. The good news is the diplomate can get into a wreck & go back to his country protected by immunity...:-) It would be the same if it was a car, this isn't a biker bust. S At 06:21 AM 4/11/02 -0700, you wrote: >Morning all: Ok, here's an interesting situation that >I thought I could only bring here. > >My friend Anton is in a bit of a predicament. He is a >diplomat from Turkey and is now living here. >Apparently, as a diplomat you are only allowed to own >one vehicle in the wonderful U-S-of-A. (I learn >something new every day). What's the problem? He >wants to buy a bike. > >A friend of his was going to purchase the bike, and >Anton wants to be the primary rider on it, so he's been >trying to get insurance. Nobody will insure him for >this situation. Each insurance company has given him a >different reason why this won't work. > >I'm not sure there is any option for him on this one, >but was wondering if anyone had any advice, thoughts, >insight into this one... > >Thanks! >Laura > > >________________________________________________ >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >http://www.peoplepc.com > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 09:49:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BDn5922857 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g3BDmqM30150; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:48:53 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:48:52 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <5D347A24.03823675.0C9D3659@aol.com> <6bmabukp7g7jbdlvn2gjorrqg6hlsp8kvu@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: <6bmabukp7g7jbdlvn2gjorrqg6hlsp8kvu@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02041109485205.19115@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 11 April 2002 05:48, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > You assert the white/black are different as far as keeping you cool, > in the relationship to perforated leathers. Do you have any data to > support your statement? I'm not saying you're wrong nor lying, I > just like to be scientific and know the basis of the facts I accept. > > I'm pretty sure the color scheme of some things matter as far as > temperatures but i'm not willing to blindly accept it makes a > difference for everything. I suspect it may not make a difference > in perforated leather jackets since air isnt' exactly contained. > I'd just like to see the evidence to support the theories. Daniel... um, no offense but... it's basic physics. Black things absorb the full spectrum of light waves, white things reflect them. Air doesn't figure into the equation - the material (leather) is hot, and it's in close proximity to your body. Sort of like taking a shirt out of the dryer and putting it on, vs. one from your dresser. A white jacket is going to be cooler... I just don't particularly like white leather :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 09:53:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BDrd922985 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:53:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Mesh jacket - crash scene report Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:53:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have Draggin Jeans, jeans with Kevlar in the knee and rear area. They aren't as protective, but I know I'll where them more. If you're an AMA member I think you can get them for $80, otherwise it's closer to $100. The only bad part is they are pretty tight to keep the Kevlar where it needs to be and to help in the sliding, like we've been talking about, but otherwise I wouldn't normally wear jeans that tight. About a month after I got them they came out with a baggier cargo pocket pair for like $20 more. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 7:11 PM To: matthew patton; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mesh jacket - crash scene report Good point. I am guilty of wearing jeans in town. Is there an alternative to jeans like the Phoenx jacket? From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 09:55:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14008.mail.yahoo.com (web14008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.124]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3BDt9923005 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020411135508.94275.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.24] by web14008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:55:08 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:55:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets To: roach@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <02041109485205.19115@firewall.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Motorcycle Consumer News did a test of white vs. black helmets a year or so ago. The results as I remember them was if you leave the helmet sitting still with no breeze, then the black helmet was marginally warmer. They were not able to detect any difference in temperature when the helmets were being worn. Yes the black absorbs a more heat, but it's not enough to be detectable under normal operating conditions. Leon. --- Brian Roach wrote: > On Thursday 11 April 2002 05:48, > daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > You assert the white/black are different as far as > keeping you cool, > > in the relationship to perforated leathers. Do you > have any data to > > support your statement? I'm not saying you're > wrong nor lying, I > > just like to be scientific and know the basis of > the facts I accept. > > > > I'm pretty sure the color scheme of some things > matter as far as > > temperatures but i'm not willing to blindly accept > it makes a > > difference for everything. I suspect it may not > make a difference > > in perforated leather jackets since air isnt' > exactly contained. > > I'd just like to see the evidence to support the > theories. > > Daniel... um, no offense but... it's basic physics. > Black things absorb the > full spectrum of light waves, white things reflect > them. Air doesn't figure > into the equation - the material (leather) is hot, > and it's in close > proximity to your body. Sort of like taking a shirt > out of the dryer and > putting it on, vs. one from your dresser. > > A white jacket is going to be cooler... I just don't > particularly like white > leather :) > > - Roach > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 10:01:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BE1x923197 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g3BE1oM30181; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:01:50 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:01:49 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020411135508.94275.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020411135508.94275.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02041110014906.19115@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 11 April 2002 09:55, you wrote: > Motorcycle Consumer News did a test of white vs. black > helmets a year or so ago. The results as I remember > them was if you leave the helmet sitting still with no > breeze, then the black helmet was marginally warmer. > They were not able to detect any difference in > temperature when the helmets were being worn. Yes the > black absorbs a more heat, but it's not enough to be > detectable under normal operating conditions. But... a helmet isn't made of a 1.4mm thick piece of porous material. It would take substantially more enerygy to increase the temp of the actual shell of a helmet, especially to the point where it would feel hotter to your head through the pads and lining. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 10:05:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.wheatintl.com ([209.120.170.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BE5b923293 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client94.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.94]) by smtp.wheatintl.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g3BE5QO31812 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:05:26 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020411095317.02242b88@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:05:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets In-Reply-To: <02041109485205.19115@firewall.dcc-racing.org> References: <6bmabukp7g7jbdlvn2gjorrqg6hlsp8kvu@4ax.com> <5D347A24.03823675.0C9D3659@XXXXXX> <6bmabukp7g7jbdlvn2gjorrqg6hlsp8kvu@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Helmets - black vs white : http://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/8h.6.html ...but there was a test in MO a couple of years ago comparing white and black solid leathers. I recall no significant difference in temperatures inside the leathers, while the surface did have quite a difference. In the end, the internals are what matters. Wish I could find that article, but google is failing me. So is the MO search page. http://www.motorcycle.com/search.motml At 09:48 AM 4/11/2002, you wrote: >Daniel... um, no offense but... it's basic physics. Black things absorb the >full spectrum of light waves, white things reflect them. Air doesn't figure >into the equation - the material (leather) is hot, and it's in close >proximity to your body. Sort of like taking a shirt out of the dryer and >putting it on, vs. one from your dresser. > >A white jacket is going to be cooler... I just don't particularly like white >leather :) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 10:08:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11105.mail.yahoo.com (web11105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.152]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3BE82923323 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020411140801.83880.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 07:08:01 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 07:08:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets To: roach@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <02041109485205.19115@firewall.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Someone on my VTR mailing list last year (I think that's when/where I heard it) did a temperature comparison between a white helmet and a black helmet. His assumption was that white was going to be cooler than black (as it tends to be with normal clothing). As it turned out, there was absolutely no difference between the two in inside temperature. (I think he put them both outside in the sun for a certain amount of time, measuring the inside temp with a thermometer) This wasn't too scientific, but does prove that the "lighter is cooler" theory isn't always true. Also, leather and a polycarbonate helmet shell are probably very different. Chris Weaver --- Brian Roach wrote: > On Thursday 11 April 2002 05:48, > daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > You assert the white/black are different as far as > keeping you cool, > > in the relationship to perforated leathers. Do you > have any data to > > support your statement? I'm not saying you're > wrong nor lying, I > > just like to be scientific and know the basis of > the facts I accept. > > > > I'm pretty sure the color scheme of some things > matter as far as > > temperatures but i'm not willing to blindly accept > it makes a > > difference for everything. I suspect it may not > make a difference > > in perforated leather jackets since air isnt' > exactly contained. > > I'd just like to see the evidence to support the > theories. > > Daniel... um, no offense but... it's basic physics. > Black things absorb the > full spectrum of light waves, white things reflect > them. Air doesn't figure > into the equation - the material (leather) is hot, > and it's in close > proximity to your body. Sort of like taking a shirt > out of the dryer and > putting it on, vs. one from your dresser. > > A white jacket is going to be cooler... I just don't > particularly like white > leather :) > > - Roach > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 10:13:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BEDh923494 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w071 ([168.144.108.71]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:13:43 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:13:43 -0400 To: "lgranato@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 14:13:43.0185 (UTC) FILETIME=[16194010:01C1E163] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3BEDj923495 First of all, your friend Anton is a guest in this country and the last thing we need is foreigners driving on our roads. We have enough problems with U.S. citizens. %^) Second, he's a diplomat so what does he care about obeying our laws? He's immune. But if the law says he can only own one vehicle, then it sounds like he's going to have to make a choice between owning a car and owning a m/c. Can another embassy staffer (who doesn't already own a vehicle) buy it and get him insured? Maybe he can get the embassy to buy it as an "official vehicle" and list him as the driver. I think someone is going to have to get very creative to make this work for your pal. Original Message: ----------------- My friend Anton is in a bit of a predicament. He is a diplomat from Turkey and is now living here. Apparently, as a diplomat you are only allowed to own one vehicle in the wonderful U-S-of-A. (I learn something new every day). What's the problem? He wants to buy a bike. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 10:14:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f136.hotmail.com [216.32.181.136]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BEEs923513 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 07:14:48 -0700 Received: from 64.221.81.2 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:14:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.221.81.2] From: "Natasha Louis" To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: ertangulec@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:14:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 14:14:48.0935 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D49E770:01C1E163] Laura, I work for an Embassy and called our protocol guy. In our Embassy you can have as many vehicles as you want, or can afford to have. He did mention that every Embassy is different. It all boils down to this: If the Turkish Government allows US diplomats working at the US Embassy in Turkey to have only one vehicle, then the State Department would allow Turkish diplomats working at the Turkish Embassy in the USA to have only one vehicle. Kind of tit for tat. Hope this helps. Natasha >From: "LAURA GRANATO" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >CC: ertangulec@XXXXXX >Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:21:17 -0700 (PDT) > >Morning all: Ok, here's an interesting situation that >I thought I could only bring here. > >My friend Anton is in a bit of a predicament. He is a >diplomat from Turkey and is now living here. >Apparently, as a diplomat you are only allowed to own >one vehicle in the wonderful U-S-of-A. (I learn >something new every day). What's the problem? He >wants to buy a bike. > >A friend of his was going to purchase the bike, and >Anton wants to be the primary rider on it, so he's been >trying to get insurance. Nobody will insure him for >this situation. Each insurance company has given him a >different reason why this won't work. > >I'm not sure there is any option for him on this one, >but was wondering if anyone had any advice, thoughts, >insight into this one... > >Thanks! >Laura > > >________________________________________________ >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >http://www.peoplepc.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 10:17:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f128.hotmail.com [216.32.181.128]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BEHa923612 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 07:17:30 -0700 Received: from 64.221.81.2 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:17:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.221.81.2] From: "Natasha Louis" To: jdonovan@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ertangulec@XXXXXX Subject: Re: your mail Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:17:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 14:17:30.0341 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D7E8150:01C1E163] One problem with leasing is that in most cases, diplomats aren't allowed to lease vehicles as they can be sent back to their countries or origin without warning or notice and most companies won't let you break a lease without paying for the remainder of the contract, i.e. Volkswagen. I tried to get out of my previous lease with VW and was told that I'd have to pay the full amount owed for the whole 4-year period of my lease. Natasha >From: JD >To: LAURA GRANATO >CC: , >Subject: Re: your mail >Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:19:00 -0400 (EDT) > > > >On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > Morning all: Ok, here's an interesting situation that > > I thought I could only bring here. > > > > My friend Anton is in a bit of a predicament. He is a > > diplomat from Turkey and is now living here. > > Apparently, as a diplomat you are only allowed to own > > one vehicle in the wonderful U-S-of-A. (I learn > > something new every day). What's the problem? He > > wants to buy a bike. > > > >he could allways lease a bike, or if they dont lease the model he wants, >lease the car, and own the bike. > >-jd > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 10:36:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BEaP924023 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-41-235.s489.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.235] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vfgW-0001Is-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:36:25 -0400 Message-ID: <011d01c1e166$72e4de00$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020411135508.94275.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:37:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Begeman" > Motorcycle Consumer News did a test of white vs. black > helmets a year or so ago. Yes the > black absorbs a more heat, but it's not enough to be > detectable under normal operating conditions. > > Leon. Yep, no surprise there. All that thick foam is an excellent insulator. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 10:42:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BEgD924137 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:42:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVampHcQ1ipCjX2BcqYgCNrkYnkaFwF+6PN+g4GuiN4BBW2UuW8/f+DX Received: from [63.123.104.125] (helo=ducman) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vfm8-0000H8-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:42:12 -0400 Message-ID: <01e101c1e167$0f994ab0$7d687b3f@ducman> From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Sanath S" , , References: Subject: Re: Motorcycle towing company Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:42:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Did you check all the fuses? It sounded like your fuel pump was not running(the bike will not start without it) There might be a problem with start relay/switch or other possibility is: On 916 fuel pump is on the same fuse as regulator(I'm not sure how 996(8) is setup). if there is a problem with that fuse, then you would get a same effect. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Genna Melamed Please note that my email is changing to genna@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sanath S" To: ; Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Motorcycle towing company > Yep, its my brand new Ducati, imagine that. I was out riding yesterday > afternoon and everything was running perfectly, came back to the office and > parked it. A couple of hours later about to go home, I turn the key to "ON" > and the usual hum that I hear of the fuel pump is not there, when I push the > start botton nothing. I have no idea what happened, I dont think I left the > battery on. Tried to bump start it, no luck. I am guessing the battery is > dead. Called the dealer, he told me do some basic stuff all which I had > already tried. > > My only option now is to find a tow company that will tow a motorcycle to > the dealer in woodbridge. Like I said earlier my auto club was not about to > locate anyone who could handle motorcycles. > > Sanath > > > >From: David Cross > >To: Sanath S , > >Subject: Re: Motorcycle towing company > >Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:30:04 -0400 > > > > > decided to not start. I need the bike towed from Chantilly to > >Woodbridge. > > > > > >I hope you are not talking about the new Ducati you were thinking about > >getting? > > > >Any idea why it won't start? Is it electircal/battery? If so I assume you > >tried to bump start it. > > > >Dave > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 11:34:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BFYj924920 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.168.be3147e (16338) for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:34:25 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <168.be3147e.29e70701@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:34:25 EDT Subject: Re: cooler when moving To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/10/2002 1:51:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: > Also, > yes, you need to "recharge" the wet things every 60-100 miles. Depends on the humidity. In the Mohave (Las Vegas) where humidity hovers around none evaporation is very quick/efficient, the first time I tried a wet tee shirt (shut up) it was over 100deg. and I was shivering within two blocks. Within four blocks the shirt was crispy dry. I wound up using a heavy sweat shirt that held more water and slowed air flow, it would last _most_ of the 10 mile ride home. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 11:47:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BFlb925242 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.188.6454885 (16338) for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:47:16 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <188.6454885.29e70a04@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:47:16 EDT Subject: Re: starter problem To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/10/2002 2:43:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > I usually pour a bottle of carb cleaner into my gas tank at the beginning of > the season to help clean them out after sitting around for most of the winter Some _not all_ of these can do real harm to the rubber stuff in your carbs. _Any_ good premium fuel is chock full of cleaners because there was a problem with injectors when they first became common in cages. Anyhow, there should be more then enough cleaners in your fuel _IF_ the fuel is passing through at all, and if it is not, adding cleaners to your fuel will do nothing anyhow. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 12:09:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BG9w925611 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w041 ([168.144.108.41]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:09:53 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: starter problem Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:09:53 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 16:09:53.0875 (UTC) FILETIME=[50F42230:01C1E173] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3BGA0925612 As long as I'm not doing anything "bad" by adding carb cleaner, even if it doesn't improve anything it just makes me feel better. %^) Original Message: Some _not all_ of these can do real harm to the rubber stuff in your carbs. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 12:52:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web12303.mail.yahoo.com (web12303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3BGqD926335 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020411165212.60225.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.5.27.136] by web12303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:52:12 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:52:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Silberg Subject: Re: Perforated Jackets To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020411140801.83880.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Someone on my VTR mailing list last year (I think > that's when/where I heard it) did a temperature > comparison between a white helmet and a black > helmet.... There are a couple key differences between a helmet and a jacket heat wise. First of all, a black helmet is (generally) glossy, so even though the black color will absorb more heat, the finish actually reflects a lot of the incident light. Leather on the other hand has a relatively flat finish, very little reflection. While I don't know the numbers, the leather will have a much higher coefficient of radiant heat transfer than the helmet shell. Also, all that EPS that's in the helmet to protect your head is a great insulator, so even if the shell heated up, it would take a long time for that heat to get through to the interior of the helmet. The jacket on the other hand - especially a summer one - is designed specifically not to insulate. Truthfully though, as long as you have decent airflow over the jacket it's not going to get too hot unless the air itself is very hot (convective heat transfer is generally more efficient that radiant heat transfer). If you have to sit in traffic...the black jacket can burn you... If the point of the jacket is to keep you cool though, you might as well not degrade it's performance at all. And the Kush Hammamatsu looks better in grey anyway :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 13:19:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.warren-news.com (mail.warren-news.com [209.8.211.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3BHJk926721 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EXCHANGE by mail.warren-news.com via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 17:20:21 UT Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2P03KB70>; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:18:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Fisk, Euan" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: When is a stop really a stop? Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:18:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I specifically asked my MSF instructor [a Montgomery County MD motorcycle cop] this question about 5 years ago. He said, "absolutely not - as long as you stop, that's fine." I ride mostly in DC and do everything I can not to put a foot down [just feels easier that way], and have never been yelled at by the police. -Euan >--- Mark Kitchell wrote: >> I am dealing with lots of 4 way stops on my commute. >> Can anyone tell me if the legal definition of a stop >> means that your foot or feet must touch the ground? >> Thanks >> >> Mark > >Is this all in DC? (I remember you moved recently) The reason I ask is that >some states (Districts) have different definitions. I heard one story (Urban >Legend? True? Who knows) of people getting a warning in MD for not putting >both feet down at a stop. > >Louis From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 14:00:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BI0p927450 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:00:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZDDpghRuG6e1yzjp9YURQlIWxntTuxoFptXVQwbHAKlFr0tWS7KxSj Received: from [63.123.104.125] (helo=ducman) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16visL-0000vL-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:00:50 -0400 Message-ID: <029501c1e182$c7f3b440$7d687b3f@ducman> From: "Genna Melamed" To: , "LAURA GRANATO" Cc: References: <20020411062118.24749.c002-h015.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:00:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 That friend that is buying a bike for him can simply get insurance. Anton would be covered under Uninsured Motorist Coverage. And yes, I checked, this WILL cover anyone if uninsured motorist is liable as long as there is permission of use. My friend dealer actually told me that it's illegal to make a "straw" vehicle purchase. Though I don't see how it is anyone business.... Another option is to have CO-OWNERS. That is fine, a friend can be primary owner, but Anton, primary insured.(this may be a more expensive option as you may be required to insure both drivers The trick is to NOT EXPLAIN all of this to insurance. just tell them that you have a bike and want to insure it.... ---------------------------------------------------------------- Genna Melamed Please note that my email is changing to genna@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "LAURA GRANATO" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 9:21 AM > Morning all: Ok, here's an interesting situation that > I thought I could only bring here. > > My friend Anton is in a bit of a predicament. He is a > diplomat from Turkey and is now living here. > Apparently, as a diplomat you are only allowed to own > one vehicle in the wonderful U-S-of-A. (I learn > something new every day). What's the problem? He > wants to buy a bike. > > A friend of his was going to purchase the bike, and > Anton wants to be the primary rider on it, so he's been > trying to get insurance. Nobody will insure him for > this situation. Each insurance company has given him a > different reason why this won't work. > > I'm not sure there is any option for him on this one, > but was wondering if anyone had any advice, thoughts, > insight into this one... > > Thanks! > Laura > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 14:53:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BIrU928341 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.118.fc8a7b2 (15900); Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.com (mow-d05.webmail.aol.com [205.188.138.69]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v84.14) with ESMTP id MAILINID93-0411145318; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:53:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:54:13 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Perforated Jackets Message-ID: <6383AD46.7A8387EF.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't personally have any scientific evidence but, I'm sure there is something out there about black absorbing light and therefore heat. Certainly seems to be the case when I wear my black jacket instead of my white one. Just my .02. YMMV. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 11 Apr 2002 M- 5:48:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: >I've seen the matching pants on ebay... but.. I M- have a bad feelign >about white pants getting really dirty. They are usually smaller in >size.. like 32-34.. if you're that small you might want to keep an eye >open. > >You assert the white/black are different as far as keeping you cool, >in the relationship to perforated leathers. Do you have any data to >support your statement? M- I'm not saying you're wrong nor lying, M- I >just like to be scientific and know the basis of the facts I accept. > >I'm pretty sure the color scheme of some things matter as far as >temperatures but i'm not willing to blindly accept it makes a >difference for everything. M- I suspect it may not make a difference >in perforated leather jackets since air isnt' exactly contained. >I'd just like to see the evidence to support the theories. > >Anyone got two identical thermometers? M- of course the bad part about >conducting such a test is that if it's warm enough to conduct the >test, it's better to be riding with them on ; ) > >Danny > >On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:31:45 -0400, you wrote: > >|>Actually, color plays a BIG part in how hot or cold you are. M- Black absorbs heat and light. M- White reflects both. M- A solid black jacket will become hotter than a solid white jacket. M- I've got the w/r/b perfed jacket and a set of w/r/b Teknic pants that match really well. M- They're not perfed but, they work great anyway. M- Had to have the zipper reversed so they could zip together. >|> >|>In a message dated Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:23:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: >|> >|>>I have that same color AGV jacket, and it is wonderful. M- I want to >|>>get some attatching perforated leather pants as well. >|>> >|>>I don't think the color plays much a role. I think i'd be just as >|>>happy with a black fieldsheer jacket. Maybe even happier since the >|>>white can look awful when dirty. (but designs do look better than >|>>solids) >|>> >|>> I am interested in getting some mesh riding gear just for the doubley >|>>hot days where i'm not riding "hard", and just going M- to M- get to a >|>>destination and stop riding. >|>> >|>>However I dont' trush joe rocket stitching.. I'll go with the >|>>fieldsheer mesh version. M- I also feel naked without some knee and shin >|>>padding and protection. M- I want to look into gettting some martial >|>>arts under the garment padding... for my shins, knees, and hips, and >|>>possibly M- combine that with some jeans. M- Having a sore hip sucks.. >|>>having a broken pelvis, well I don't want to know. >|>> >|>> >|>>Danny >|>> >|>>On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:30:43 -0400, you wrote: >|>> >|>>|>I've got a w/r/b perfed AGV jacket that I love for summer riding. M- Because it's mainly white, it's cooler to start of with. M- The perfs just add to it. M- It's also seen the pavement a couple times and has held up great. M- I don't think I'll be getting rid of it anytime soon. M- Just my .02. >|>>|> >|>>|>Scooter >|>>|> >|>>|>In a message dated Tue, 9 Apr 2002 M- 4:39:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Daniel H. Brown" writes: >|>>|> >|>>|>>On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: >|>>|>> >|>>|>>> While we're on the topic, does perforated leather offer any less >|>>|>>> protection than full leathers? I'm thinking about replacing my current >|>>|>>> faux-biker jacket (from The Alley in Chicago), and have been looking at >|>>|>>> Fieldsheer and Vanson stuff. Should I be leery of perf leather, and look >|>>|>>> mostly at the unperforated stuff? >|>>|>>> >|>>|>>> Or will I simply boil come summer? >|>>|>>> >|>>|>> >|>>|>>Vanson has some nice options that have vents in the front. M- Might not be >|>>|>>race legal, and will be pricey, but, if its a Vanson, you KNOW its going to >|>>|>>be a solid jacket. >|>>|>> >|>>|>>-- >|>>|>>Dan Brown >|>>|>>brown@XXXXXX >|>>|>> >|>>|>> >|>> >|>> > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 15:01:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BJ1X928529 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id m.104.13f5b4e0 (15703); Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.com (mow-d07.webmail.aol.com [205.188.138.71]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v84.14) with ESMTP id MAILINID54-0411150004; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:00:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:01:19 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: roach@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Perforated Jackets Message-ID: <5E9F65F7.0E6C314C.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks Roach. I couldn't have said it better myself. :-) Scooter In a message dated Thu, 11 Apr 2002 M- 9:51:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Brian Roach writes: >On Thursday 11 April 2002 05:48, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > >> You assert the white/black are different as far as keeping you cool, >> in the relationship to perforated leathers. Do you have any data to >> support your statement? M- I'm not saying you're wrong nor lying, M- I >> just like to be scientific and know the basis of the facts I accept. >> >> I'm pretty sure the color scheme of some things matter as far as >> temperatures but i'm not willing to blindly accept it makes a >> difference for everything. M- I suspect it may not make a difference >> in perforated leather jackets since air isnt' exactly contained. >> I'd just like to see the evidence to support the theories. > >Daniel... um, no offense but... it's basic physics. M- Black things absorb the >full spectrum of light waves, white things reflect them. Air doesn't figure >into the equation - the material (leather) is hot, and it's in close >proximity to your body. M- Sort of like taking a shirt out of the dryer and >putting it on, vs. one from your dresser. M- > >A white jacket is going to be cooler... I just don't particularly like white >leather :) > >- Roach > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 15:14:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BJE4928763 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-105-137.s899.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.105.137] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vk1D-00017x-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:14:04 -0400 Message-ID: <01f201c1e18d$35c18d80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020411062118.24749.c002-h015.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> <029501c1e182$c7f3b440$7d687b3f@ducman> Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:14:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I don't think that's what "uninsured motorist" coverage means. The uninsured coverage covers *you* when another motorist causes an accident and has no insurance. The primary user of the bike needs to be insured and the policy based on his driver stats. Policies differ about occasional users. To have one person listed and rated as the primary user and another acting as the *real* primary user is insurance fraud, it seems to me and is grounds to deny a claim. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genna Melamed" To: ; "LAURA GRANATO" Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: Re: > That friend that is buying a bike for him can simply get insurance. > > Anton would be covered under Uninsured Motorist Coverage. > And yes, I checked, this WILL cover anyone if uninsured motorist is liable > as long as there is permission of use. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 15:25:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BJPw929011 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:25:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbFz/5NSPNILkL//tlRuMixPH/84gUauNuM8nXVAV3GR7vRhzVZC3gl Received: from [63.123.104.125] (helo=ducman) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vkCj-0001XU-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:25:57 -0400 Message-ID: <02bb01c1e18e$b2418ad0$7d687b3f@ducman> From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Paul Wilson" , "dc-cycles list" References: <20020411062118.24749.c002-h015.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> <029501c1e182$c7f3b440$7d687b3f@ducman> <01f201c1e18d$35c18d80$bb82fea9@palladio1> Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:25:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Uninsured Motorist Coverage Protects you, your resident relatives, and occupants of a covered vehicle if any of these insured sustain bodily injury, including any resulting death, in an accident in which the owner or operator of a motor vehicle who is legally liable does not have insurance. Common Exclusions: No coverage for bodily injury/death sustained by any person while using or occupying a (1) covered vehicle while being used to carry persons or property for compensation or a fee; (2) a covered vehicle without the permission of you or a relative; or (3) a non-owned vehicle without the permission of the owner. Return to top This is from http://www.progressive.com/shopinfo/definitions.asp#UninsuredMotoristCoverag e Progressive web site ---------------------------------------------------------------- Genna Melamed Please note that my email is changing to genna@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: Re: > I don't think that's what "uninsured motorist" coverage means. The > uninsured coverage covers *you* when another motorist causes an accident and > has no insurance. The primary user of the bike needs to be insured and the > policy based on his driver stats. Policies differ about occasional users. > To have one person listed and rated as the primary user and another acting > as the *real* primary user is insurance fraud, it seems to me and is grounds > to deny a claim. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Genna Melamed" > To: ; "LAURA GRANATO" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: > > > > That friend that is buying a bike for him can simply get insurance. > > > > Anton would be covered under Uninsured Motorist Coverage. > > And yes, I checked, this WILL cover anyone if uninsured motorist is liable > > as long as there is permission of use. > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 15:37:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BJbi929297 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-66.patriot.net [209.249.181.66]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3BJbgE20832; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:37:42 -0400 Message-ID: <3CB5E76C.29D86C95@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:43:41 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: References: <20020411062118.24749.c002-h015.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> <029501c1e182$c7f3b440$7d687b3f@ducman> <01f201c1e18d$35c18d80$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit However, in the Commonwealth of Virginia, one can pay the DMV a fee and operate a motor vehicle bareback, as in NO insurance. Back in the `60s & `70s the DMV fee was cheaper than SR-22 insurance. What a great idea! Allow the folks with such shitty driving records that they need SR-22 to go without insurance for a small fee!!! Thus the definate need for "Uninsured Motorist" coverage in VA. Bill Paul Wilson wrote: > I don't think that's what "uninsured motorist" coverage means. The > uninsured coverage covers *you* when another motorist causes an accident and > has no insurance. The primary user of the bike needs to be insured and the > policy based on his driver stats. Policies differ about occasional users. > To have one person listed and rated as the primary user and another acting > as the *real* primary user is insurance fraud, it seems to me and is grounds > to deny a claim. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Genna Melamed" > To: ; "LAURA GRANATO" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: > > > That friend that is buying a bike for him can simply get insurance. > > > > Anton would be covered under Uninsured Motorist Coverage. > > And yes, I checked, this WILL cover anyone if uninsured motorist is liable > > as long as there is permission of use. > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 15:37:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BJbp929307 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:37:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYijrhL4ZBts/GtCZOIAsjz8mTsgDrhyB/hN/OIoZ/6PUNUcHbQLDfH Received: from [63.123.104.125] (helo=ducman) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vkOE-0003p4-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:37:50 -0400 Message-ID: <02bf01c1e190$5cc4b4e0$7d687b3f@ducman> From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Paul Wilson" , "dc-cycles list" References: <20020411062118.24749.c002-h015.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> <029501c1e182$c7f3b440$7d687b3f@ducman> <01f201c1e18d$35c18d80$bb82fea9@palladio1> Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:37:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I wanted to add to my quote. It's not very clear if you are covered by YOUR uninsured motorist coverage(UMC) or THEIR uninsured policy. In any case, I think it covers ALL uninsured parties. However, one of them will cover you/or them. Since this policy is required in MD and I believe in DC and VA as well, then it should be no problem. If people drive without insurance, they are still covered in MD by MAIF. I know that because I was rear-ended by uninsured person once, and MAIF paid for my car/injury. It may be smart to have higher limits on UMC if you intend to drive like that. Also, consider this: If you have medical insurance, then for you(at least) it should make very little difference if you have personal coverage. And I would submit that medical insurance is a MUST if you ride a bike. 20,000 minimal that are required in MD(and usually that is what people get) is not going to amount for much if you get into an accident on the bike. The other party(usually car) is very unlikely to sustain a lot of injuries even if this is your fault. The property damage is covered by vehicle insurance no matter who is driving it(obviously legally). So, as long as bike is covered and legal, then there is no real issues to talk about :) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Genna Melamed Please note that my email is changing to genna@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: Re: > I don't think that's what "uninsured motorist" coverage means. The > uninsured coverage covers *you* when another motorist causes an accident and > has no insurance. The primary user of the bike needs to be insured and the > policy based on his driver stats. Policies differ about occasional users. > To have one person listed and rated as the primary user and another acting > as the *real* primary user is insurance fraud, it seems to me and is grounds > to deny a claim. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Genna Melamed" > To: ; "LAURA GRANATO" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: > > > > That friend that is buying a bike for him can simply get insurance. > > > > Anton would be covered under Uninsured Motorist Coverage. > > And yes, I checked, this WILL cover anyone if uninsured motorist is liable > > as long as there is permission of use. > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 15:39:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BJdE929329 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-107-14.s1284.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.107.14] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vkPY-0005EW-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:39:13 -0400 Message-ID: <023601c1e190$b75f4960$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020411062118.24749.c002-h015.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> <029501c1e182$c7f3b440$7d687b3f@ducman> <01f201c1e18d$35c18d80$bb82fea9@palladio1> <02bb01c1e18e$b2418ad0$7d687b3f@ducman> Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:40:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 No, I'm sorry, you're still mis-reading it. It's usually lumped in with "under-insured" motorist coverage. The uninsured, under-insured does not refer to the operator of *your* vehicle, it refers to another "at fault" party out there in the world. Uninsured coverage is high in this area because of all the *uninsured scofflaw bozos* running around. Read the first sentence carefully: "Protects you, your resident relatives, and occupants of a covered > vehicle if any of these **insured** sustain bodily injury, including any > resulting death, in an accident in which the owner or operator of a motor > vehicle who is legally liable does not have insurance. Notice who it says the "insured" are. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F www.wilsonline.org Join the VFR750 list >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfr750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Paul Wilson" ; "dc-cycles list" Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: Re: > Uninsured Motorist Coverage > > Protects you, your resident relatives, and occupants of a covered > vehicle if any of these insured sustain bodily injury, including any > resulting death, in an accident in which the owner or operator of a motor > vehicle who is legally liable does not have insurance. > > Common Exclusions: No coverage for bodily injury/death sustained by > any person while using or occupying a (1) covered vehicle while being used > to carry persons or property for compensation or a fee; (2) a covered > vehicle without the permission of you or a relative; or (3) a non-owned > vehicle without the permission of the owner. > > Return to top > > > > This is from > http://www.progressive.com/shopinfo/definitions.asp#UninsuredMotoristCoverag > e > > Progressive web site > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Genna Melamed > Please note that my email is changing to > genna@XXXXXX > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "dc-cycles list" > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: > > > > I don't think that's what "uninsured motorist" coverage means. The > > uninsured coverage covers *you* when another motorist causes an accident > and > > has no insurance. The primary user of the bike needs to be insured and > the > > policy based on his driver stats. Policies differ about occasional users. > > To have one person listed and rated as the primary user and another acting > > as the *real* primary user is insurance fraud, it seems to me and is > grounds > > to deny a claim. > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Genna Melamed" > > To: ; "LAURA GRANATO" > > Cc: > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:00 PM > > Subject: Re: > > > > > > > That friend that is buying a bike for him can simply get insurance. > > > > > > Anton would be covered under Uninsured Motorist Coverage. > > > And yes, I checked, this WILL cover anyone if uninsured motorist is > liable > > > as long as there is permission of use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 15:41:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14609.mail.yahoo.com (web14609.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3BJf3929342 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020411194102.74112.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:41:02 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:41:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: To: Genna Melamed , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, LAURA GRANATO Cc: ertangulec@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <029501c1e182$c7f3b440$7d687b3f@ducman> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Genna Melamed wrote: > That friend that is buying a bike for him can simply get > insurance. > > Anton would be covered under Uninsured Motorist Coverage. > And yes, I checked, this WILL cover anyone if uninsured > motorist is liable > as long as there is permission of use. > > My friend dealer actually told me that it's illegal to > make a "straw" > vehicle purchase. Though I don't see how it is anyone > business.... it's called misrepresentation.... and it can void an insurance policy ab initio > Another option is to have CO-OWNERS. That is fine, a > friend can be primary > owner, but Anton, primary insured.(this may be a more > expensive option as > you may be required to insure both drivers > > The trick is to NOT EXPLAIN all of this to insurance. > just tell them that > you have a bike and want to insure it.... i find it interesting that you consider this to be a valid way of obtaining insurance. your statements indicate that you would support hiding something from teh insurer. as stephen harris already pointed out, this method could find the rider WITHOUT ANY COVERAGE AT ALL, even having paid for it. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 15:43:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14609.mail.yahoo.com (web14609.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3BJhC929452 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020411194311.74529.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:43:11 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:43:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: To: Genna Melamed , Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <02bf01c1e190$5cc4b4e0$7d687b3f@ducman> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Genna Melamed wrote: > So, as long as bike is covered and legal, then there is > no real issues to > talk about :) keep my number handy. you sound as though you'll need assistance down the line.... ;) -- tg http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 15:48:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BJme929621 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:48:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Uninsured Fee Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:48:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Last time I checked that fee was only $400 for a year. -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:44 PM To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: However, in the Commonwealth of Virginia, one can pay the DMV a fee and operate a motor vehicle bareback, as in NO insurance. Back in the `60s & `70s the DMV fee was cheaper than SR-22 insurance. What a great idea! Allow the folks with such shitty driving records that they need SR-22 to go without insurance for a small fee!!! Thus the definate need for "Uninsured Motorist" coverage in VA. Bill Paul Wilson wrote: > I don't think that's what "uninsured motorist" coverage means. The > uninsured coverage covers *you* when another motorist causes an accident and > has no insurance. The primary user of the bike needs to be insured and the > policy based on his driver stats. Policies differ about occasional users. > To have one person listed and rated as the primary user and another acting > as the *real* primary user is insurance fraud, it seems to me and is grounds > to deny a claim. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Genna Melamed" > To: ; "LAURA GRANATO" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: > > > That friend that is buying a bike for him can simply get insurance. > > > > Anton would be covered under Uninsured Motorist Coverage. > > And yes, I checked, this WILL cover anyone if uninsured motorist is liable > > as long as there is permission of use. > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 15:49:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BJnY929641 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:49:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYDJzSnzczY+8N1XW1AWainMG1LezHgUM6icVQHCT56PT11clQw5Yxq Received: from [63.123.104.125] (helo=ducman) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vkZa-00063Z-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:49:34 -0400 Message-ID: <02cb01c1e191$ff761200$7d687b3f@ducman> From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Tom Gimer" , , "LAURA GRANATO" Cc: References: <20020411194102.74112.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:49:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 unless you claim insurance very often, there is no reason for them to find out. I didn't say that this is very "legal" way of obtaining insurance. I simply stated that this IS one way of doing it. And it is pretty safe. When I was much younger and with not so good driving record I used a bike that was not titled to me and had my friend's insurance. This was liability only though. My point is that it CAN be done in a way where you are covered reasonably and everything is legal from DOT point of view. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Genna Melamed Please note that my email is changing to genna@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" To: "Genna Melamed" ; ; "LAURA GRANATO" Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: Re: > --- Genna Melamed wrote: > > That friend that is buying a bike for him can simply get > > insurance. > > > > Anton would be covered under Uninsured Motorist Coverage. > > And yes, I checked, this WILL cover anyone if uninsured > > motorist is liable > > as long as there is permission of use. > > > > My friend dealer actually told me that it's illegal to > > make a "straw" > > vehicle purchase. Though I don't see how it is anyone > > business.... > > it's called misrepresentation.... and it can void an > insurance policy ab initio > > > > > > Another option is to have CO-OWNERS. That is fine, a > > friend can be primary > > owner, but Anton, primary insured.(this may be a more > > expensive option as > > you may be required to insure both drivers > > > > The trick is to NOT EXPLAIN all of this to insurance. > > just tell them that > > you have a bike and want to insure it.... > > i find it interesting that you consider this to be a valid > way of obtaining insurance. your statements indicate that > you would support hiding something from teh insurer. as > stephen harris already pointed out, this method could find > the rider WITHOUT ANY COVERAGE AT ALL, even having paid for > it. > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 15:52:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BJqj929745 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.42]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020411195239.DTWO24238.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@XXXXXX>; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:52:39 +0000 Received: from [12.101.4.236] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:52:39 +0000 From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX To: Tuan.Diep@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: starter problem Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:52:39 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 27 2002) Message-Id: <20020411195239.DTWO24238.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> I had a problem like that starting the Suzuki GZ that I owned. I finally figured out that for some reason with that bike, if I twisted the throttle at all while I was hitting the ignition, the bike would crank and crank and crank but never fire. Without twisting the throttle, (choke on of course) the bike would start on the coldest of days instantly. My Yamaha V-Star is pretty much the exact opposite of course... -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star >My '95 CBRF3 has trouble starting. I have to hit the >starter several times >for a few minutes before it fires up. Adjusting the >choke doesn't seem to >make a difference and I haven't checked the battery >yet. Any >ideas/solutions? >Thanks >Tuan From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 15:53:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14608.mail.yahoo.com (web14608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3BJr2929755 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020411195301.37860.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:53:01 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:53:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: To: Genna Melamed , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, LAURA GRANATO Cc: ertangulec@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <02cb01c1e191$ff761200$7d687b3f@ducman> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii oh i hear you. but as for a "solution" to the problem, i wouldn't recommend one that could conceivably end up ruining someone financially. --- Genna Melamed wrote: > unless you claim insurance very often, there is no reason > for them to find > out. > > I didn't say that this is very "legal" way of obtaining > insurance. I simply > stated that this IS one way of doing it. And it is > pretty safe. When I was > much younger and with not so good driving record I used a > bike that was not > titled to me and had my friend's insurance. This was > liability only though. > My point is that it CAN be done in a way where you are > covered reasonably > and everything is legal from DOT point of view. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > --- Genna Melamed wrote: > > > That friend that is buying a bike for him can simply > get > > > insurance. > > > > > > Anton would be covered under Uninsured Motorist > Coverage. > > > And yes, I checked, this WILL cover anyone if > uninsured > > > motorist is liable > > > as long as there is permission of use. > > > > > > My friend dealer actually told me that it's illegal > to > > > make a "straw" > > > vehicle purchase. Though I don't see how it is > anyone > > > business.... > > > > it's called misrepresentation.... and it can void an > > insurance policy ab initio > > > > > > > > > > > Another option is to have CO-OWNERS. That is fine, a > > > friend can be primary > > > owner, but Anton, primary insured.(this may be a more > > > expensive option as > > > you may be required to insure both drivers > > > > > > The trick is to NOT EXPLAIN all of this to insurance. > > > just tell them that > > > you have a bike and want to insure it.... > > > > i find it interesting that you consider this to be a > valid > > way of obtaining insurance. your statements indicate > that > > you would support hiding something from teh insurer. > as > > stephen harris already pointed out, this method could > find > > the rider WITHOUT ANY COVERAGE AT ALL, even having paid > for > > it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 16:01:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.194.225.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BK1L900106 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (max2k-207.his.com [216.194.203.207]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA14504; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020411160143.015b5698@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:01:54 -0700 To: "Genna Melamed" , , "LAURA GRANATO" From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:00 PM 4/11/02 -0400, Genna Melamed wrote: >Anton would be covered under Uninsured Motorist Coverage. >And yes, I checked, this WILL cover anyone if uninsured motorist is liable >as long as there is permission of use. You've got some of this confused. UM, UMPD & UMBI is only coverage from a uninsured motorist that is found responsible for causing damage or injury to you, your vehicle, or your passenger. Doesn't help you for theft or single vehicle accidents. Also, UM coverage this is not automatic. There are a series of rather boring investigative issues that need to be resolved, the scope of which goes beyond my threshold of pain in e-mail, but suffice to say that there are plenty of ways your carrier can deny coverage under UM when a responsible tortfessor is uninsured. A BIG example is a material misrepresentation on the original application for insurance, although I seem to recall that MD has statues making the scope of mis-rep narrower for UM than for normal first party coverage, which is a slam dunk in this case. >My friend dealer actually told me that it's illegal to make a "straw" >vehicle purchase. Though I don't see how it is anyone business.... I kinda feel the same way about "straw" purchase of firearms, and no I am not being sarcastic. There is the world the way it is, and the way we would like it. >The trick is to NOT EXPLAIN all of this to insurance. just tell them that >you have a bike and want to insure it.... I have so little time for e-mail these days. Honestly, I only read about 1-2% of the volume on this list, normally I just text search for the issues that I, as a good citizen of the net, have a duty to help people with on this list. Typically I only chime in on issues involving the MARRC school, local racing, obscure mechanical issues, or insurance as it related to motorcyclist on this list. I have joyfully squandered most of my adult life in dealing in these areas as both hobby and profession. Most of this experience can be boiled down to simple axioms; buy the cheapest racebike your ego will allow, check you brake lever feel before charging down to turn one, don't trust stock chain alignment markers, use new gaskets upon rebuild, and don't lie to the insurance man. Insurance companies don't check to see if you are lying when you take out the policy. They check when you have a claim that you would like paid. Their ability to find lies are not like the INS, DMV or IRS or some other bloated bureaucracy. There are HUGE profits to be made by finding those lies, and when money is to be made, efficiency is found. They will likely find that lie, and you will be left with a policy that is void. Save yourself a lot of grief, don't try to out brake the insurance men. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 16:13:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BKD3900327 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:13:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb7bUsQRZPdJqCyl0vflNDXawJ/AOgtrcxZD3VhcamKwsw6guWNdcAH Received: from [63.123.104.125] (helo=ducman) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vkwI-00030K-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:13:02 -0400 Message-ID: <030e01c1e195$47b86c90$7d687b3f@ducman> From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Tom Gimer" , Cc: References: <20020411195301.37860.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:12:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Hey, owning a motorcycle can "ruining someone financially." Remember, he's a diplomat... it's a some level of risk... If there is a way with less risk, then sure, by all means use it. otherwise it's a choice between not getting a bike and have no risk, or buying a bike and risk insurance fraud. anyway, this was my .02 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Genna Melamed Please note that my email is changing to genna@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" To: "Genna Melamed" ; ; "LAURA GRANATO" Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:53 PM Subject: Re: > oh i hear you. but as for a "solution" to the problem, i > wouldn't recommend one that could conceivably end up > ruining someone financially. > > > > --- Genna Melamed wrote: > > unless you claim insurance very often, there is no reason > > for them to find > > out. > > > > I didn't say that this is very "legal" way of obtaining > > insurance. I simply > > stated that this IS one way of doing it. And it is > > pretty safe. When I was > > much younger and with not so good driving record I used a > > bike that was not > > titled to me and had my friend's insurance. This was > > liability only though. > > My point is that it CAN be done in a way where you are > > covered reasonably > > and everything is legal from DOT point of view. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > --- Genna Melamed wrote: > > > > That friend that is buying a bike for him can simply > > get > > > > insurance. > > > > > > > > Anton would be covered under Uninsured Motorist > > Coverage. > > > > And yes, I checked, this WILL cover anyone if > > uninsured > > > > motorist is liable > > > > as long as there is permission of use. > > > > > > > > My friend dealer actually told me that it's illegal > > to > > > > make a "straw" > > > > vehicle purchase. Though I don't see how it is > > anyone > > > > business.... > > > > > > it's called misrepresentation.... and it can void an > > > insurance policy ab initio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another option is to have CO-OWNERS. That is fine, a > > > > friend can be primary > > > > owner, but Anton, primary insured.(this may be a more > > > > expensive option as > > > > you may be required to insure both drivers > > > > > > > > The trick is to NOT EXPLAIN all of this to insurance. > > > > just tell them that > > > > you have a bike and want to insure it.... > > > > > > i find it interesting that you consider this to be a > > valid > > > way of obtaining insurance. your statements indicate > > that > > > you would support hiding something from teh insurer. > > as > > > stephen harris already pointed out, this method could > > find > > > the rider WITHOUT ANY COVERAGE AT ALL, even having paid > > for > > > it. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 16:16:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14601.mail.yahoo.com (web14601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3BKGi900407 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020411201643.76754.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:16:43 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:16:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020411194102.74112.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Genna Melamed wrote: > > That friend that is buying a bike for him can simply > get > > insurance. > > > > Anton would be covered under Uninsured Motorist > Coverage. > > And yes, I checked, this WILL cover anyone if uninsured > > motorist is liable > > as long as there is permission of use. > > > > My friend dealer actually told me that it's illegal to > > make a "straw" > > vehicle purchase. Though I don't see how it is anyone > > business.... > > it's called misrepresentation.... and it can void an > insurance policy ab initio sorry. pursuant to list rules i have slapped myself for using latin.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 16:20:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14609.mail.yahoo.com (web14609.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3BKKH900503 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020411202016.81939.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:20:16 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:20:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: To: Genna Melamed , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: ertangulec@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <030e01c1e195$47b86c90$7d687b3f@ducman> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Genna Melamed wrote: > Hey, owning a motorcycle can "ruining someone > financially." not with the PROPER insurance coverage > Remember, he's a diplomat... did diplomats recently become judgment-proof? i don't think so.... > it's a some level of risk... If there is a way with less > risk, then sure, > by all means use it. otherwise it's a choice between not > getting a bike and > have no risk, or buying a bike and risk insurance fraud. or selling the car, buying a bike and obtaining insurance legally > anyway, this was my .02 and here is your change..... ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 17:09:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web12204.mail.yahoo.com (web12204.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3BL9b901386 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020411210936.66762.qmail@web12204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.116.143.107] by web12204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:09:36 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:09:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Milan Talreja Subject: Unsuscribe Please To: milan_talreja@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <3CB5E76C.29D86C95@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-628293205-1018559376=:66709" --0-628293205-1018559376=:66709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "William J. Huson" wrote: However, in the Commonwealth of Virginia, one can pay the DMV a fee and operate a motor vehicle bareback, as in NO insurance. Back in the `60s & `70s the DMV fee was cheaper than SR-22 insurance. What a great idea! Allow the folks with such shitty driving records that they need SR-22 to go without insurance for a small fee!!! Thus the definate need for "Uninsured Motorist" coverage in VA. Bill Paul Wilson wrote: > I don't think that's what "uninsured motorist" coverage means. The > uninsured coverage covers *you* when another motorist causes an accident and > has no insurance. The primary user of the bike needs to be insured and the > policy based on his driver stats. Policies differ about occasional users. > To have one person listed and rated as the primary user and another acting > as the *real* primary user is insurance fraud, it seems to me and is grounds > to deny a claim. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Genna Melamed" > To: ; "LAURA GRANATO" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: > > > That friend that is buying a bike for him can simply get insurance. > > > > Anton would be covered under Uninsured Motorist Coverage. > > And yes, I checked, this WILL cover anyone if uninsured motorist is liable > > as long as there is permission of use. > > > > Regards, Milan Talreja 313-717-5658 --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax --0-628293205-1018559376=:66709 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

  "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX> wrote:

However, in the Commonwealth of Virginia, one can pay the DMV a fee and operate
a motor vehicle bareback, as in NO insurance. Back in the `60s & `70s the DMV
fee was cheaper than SR-22 insurance. What a great idea! Allow the folks with
such shitty driving records that they need SR-22 to go without insurance for a
small fee!!!

Thus the definate need for "Uninsured Motorist" coverage in VA.

Bill

Paul Wilson wrote:

> I don't think that's what "uninsured motorist" coverage means. The
> uninsured coverage covers *you* when another motorist causes an accident and
> has no insurance. The primary user of the bike needs to be insured and the
> policy based on his driver stats. Policies differ about occasional users.
> To have one person listed and rated as the primary user and another acting
> as the *real* primary user is insurance fraud, it seems to me and is grounds
> to deny a claim.
>
> Paul in DC
> 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Genna Melamed"
> To: ; "LAURA GRANATO"
> Cc:
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:00 PM
> Subject: Re:
>
> > That friend that is buying a bike for him can simply get insurance.
> >
> > Anton would be covered under Uninsured Motorist Coverage.
> > And yes, I checked, this WILL cover anyone if uninsured motorist is liable
> > as long as there is permission of use.
> >
> >


Regards,

Milan Talreja

313-717-5658



Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax --0-628293205-1018559376=:66709-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 17:11:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f144.hotmail.com [216.32.181.144]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BLBF901429 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:59:25 -0700 Received: from 64.221.81.2 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:59:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.221.81.2] From: "Natasha Louis" To: genna@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: ertangulec@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:59:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 20:59:25.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[C33C1640:01C1E19B] >Remember, he's a diplomat... > Diplomat or no diplomat, he still has to abide by all the laws in his guest country. Yeah he has diplomatc immunity, so what, it can only save him in certain cases, he still has to pay fines and tickets. If he doesn't the State Department gets on the Embassy to hold the person financially responsible. If he refuses to pay, he loses his license, just like any of us who aren't diplomats. I have been on both sides of this, been a diplomat and am now a local at the Embassy, but they don't get the breaks they used to. And the State Department requires you to provide proof of insurance when you register a vehicle to get your diplomatic tags. Natasha >From: "Genna Melamed" >To: "Tom Gimer" , >CC: >Subject: Re: >Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:12:56 -0400 > >Hey, owning a motorcycle can "ruining someone financially." > >Remember, he's a diplomat... > >it's a some level of risk... If there is a way with less risk, then sure, >by all means use it. otherwise it's a choice between not getting a bike >and >have no risk, or buying a bike and risk insurance fraud. > >anyway, this was my .02 > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Genna Melamed >Please note that my email is changing to >genna@XXXXXX >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tom Gimer" >To: "Genna Melamed" ; ; "LAURA >GRANATO" >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:53 PM >Subject: Re: > > > > oh i hear you. but as for a "solution" to the problem, i > > wouldn't recommend one that could conceivably end up > > ruining someone financially. > > > > > > > > --- Genna Melamed wrote: > > > unless you claim insurance very often, there is no reason > > > for them to find > > > out. > > > > > > I didn't say that this is very "legal" way of obtaining > > > insurance. I simply > > > stated that this IS one way of doing it. And it is > > > pretty safe. When I was > > > much younger and with not so good driving record I used a > > > bike that was not > > > titled to me and had my friend's insurance. This was > > > liability only though. > > > My point is that it CAN be done in a way where you are > > > covered reasonably > > > and everything is legal from DOT point of view. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > --- Genna Melamed wrote: > > > > > That friend that is buying a bike for him can simply > > > get > > > > > insurance. > > > > > > > > > > Anton would be covered under Uninsured Motorist > > > Coverage. > > > > > And yes, I checked, this WILL cover anyone if > > > uninsured > > > > > motorist is liable > > > > > as long as there is permission of use. > > > > > > > > > > My friend dealer actually told me that it's illegal > > > to > > > > > make a "straw" > > > > > vehicle purchase. Though I don't see how it is > > > anyone > > > > > business.... > > > > > > > > it's called misrepresentation.... and it can void an > > > > insurance policy ab initio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another option is to have CO-OWNERS. That is fine, a > > > > > friend can be primary > > > > > owner, but Anton, primary insured.(this may be a more > > > > > expensive option as > > > > > you may be required to insure both drivers > > > > > > > > > > The trick is to NOT EXPLAIN all of this to insurance. > > > > > just tell them that > > > > > you have a bike and want to insure it.... > > > > > > > > i find it interesting that you consider this to be a > > > valid > > > > way of obtaining insurance. your statements indicate > > > that > > > > you would support hiding something from teh insurer. > > > as > > > > stephen harris already pointed out, this method could > > > find > > > > the rider WITHOUT ANY COVERAGE AT ALL, even having paid > > > for > > > > it. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > > >################################################################# >################################################################# >################################################################# >##### >##### >##### >################################################################# >################################################################# >################################################################# _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 17:19:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20108.mail.yahoo.com (web20108.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3BLIx901646 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020411211858.59126.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.28.205.82] by web20108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:18:58 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:18:58 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And since I just so happen to have access to the Name Check database upon which ALL visa's and passports are checked I can ah, like flag him as an undesirable. It would be so easy to do. clickety, clackety... Or maybe he just needs a good larting. --- Natasha Louis wrote: > >Remember, he's a diplomat... > > > > Diplomat or no diplomat, he still has to abide by all the laws in his > guest country. ... > I have been on both sides of this, been a diplomat and am now a local > at the > Embassy, but they don't get the breaks they used to. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 18:00:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BM0b902415 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-66.patriot.net [209.249.181.66]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3BM0XE00328; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:00:34 -0400 Message-ID: <3CB608E8.8C3ADFCD@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:06:33 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Milan Talreja CC: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Unsuscribe Please References: <20020411210936.66762.qmail@web12204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B47D8ED6277E66A5D529E343" --------------B47D8ED6277E66A5D529E343 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh my, what a mysterious post. Does Milan wish to unsuscribe? Or is Milan attempting to act as a moderator? I'm so confused :-) Bill Milan Talreja wrote: > > > "William J. Huson" wrote: > > However, in the Commonwealth of Virginia, one can pay the > DMV a fee and operate > a motor vehicle bareback, as in NO insurance. Back in the > `60s & `70s the DMV > fee was cheaper than SR-22 insurance. What a great idea! > Allow the folks with > such shitty driving records that they need SR-22 to go > without insurance for a > small fee!!! > > Thus the definate need for "Uninsured Motorist" coverage in > VA. > > Bill > > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > I don't think that's what "uninsured motorist" coverage > means. The > > uninsured coverage covers *you* when another motorist > causes an accident and > > has no insurance. The primary user of the bike needs to be > insured and the > > policy based on his driver stats. Policies differ about > occasional users. > > To have one person listed and rated as the primary user > and another acting > > as the *real* primary user i! s insurance fraud, it seems > to me and is grounds > > to deny a claim. > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Genna Melamed" > > To: ; "LAURA GRANATO" > > Cc: > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:00 PM > > Subject: Re: > > > > > That friend that is buying a bike for him can simply get > insurance. > > > > > > Anton would be covered under Uninsured Motorist > Coverage. > > > And yes, I checked, this WILL cover anyone if uninsured > motorist is liable > > > as long as there is permission of use. > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > Milan Talreja > > 313-717-5658 > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax --------------B47D8ED6277E66A5D529E343 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh my, what a mysterious post.  Does Milan wish to unsuscribe?  Or is Milan attempting to act as a moderator?  I'm so confused :-)

Bill

Milan Talreja wrote:

 

  "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX> wrote:

However, in the Commonwealth of Virginia, one can pay the DMV a fee and operate
a motor vehicle bareback, as in NO insurance. Back in the `60s & `70s the DMV
fee was cheaper than SR-22 insurance. What a great idea! Allow the folks with
such shitty driving records that they need SR-22 to go without insurance for a
small fee!!!

Thus the definate need for "Uninsured Motorist" coverage in VA.

Bill

Paul Wilson wrote:

> I don't think that's what "uninsured motorist" coverage means. The
> uninsured coverage covers *you* when another motorist causes an accident and
> has no insurance. The primary user of the bike needs to be insured and the
> policy based on his driver stats. Policies differ about occasional users.
> To have one person listed and rated as the primary user and another acting
> as the *real* primary user i! s insurance fraud, it seems to me and is grounds
> to deny a claim.
>
> Paul in DC
> 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Genna Melamed" 
> To: ; "LAURA GRANATO" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:00 PM
> Subject: Re:
>
> > That friend that is buying a bike for him can simply get insurance.
> >
> > Anton would be covered under Uninsured Motorist Coverage.
> > And yes, I checked, this WILL cover anyone if uninsured motorist is liable
> > as long as there is permission of use.
> >
> >


 

Regards,

Milan Talreja

313-717-5658
 


Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax
--------------B47D8ED6277E66A5D529E343-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 18:13:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BMDK902693 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-187-201.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.187.201] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16vmoS-0000HK-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:13:05 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020411180719.00b2f980@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:14:33 -0400 To: "dc-cycles list" From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <02bf01c1e190$5cc4b4e0$7d687b3f@ducman> References: <20020411062118.24749.c002-h015.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> <029501c1e182$c7f3b440$7d687b3f@ducman> <01f201c1e18d$35c18d80$bb82fea9@palladio1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:37 PM 4/11/2002, Genna Melamed wrote: >I wanted to add to my quote. > >It's not very clear if you are covered by YOUR uninsured motorist >coverage(UMC) or THEIR uninsured policy. In any case, I think it covers ALL >uninsured parties. > >However, one of them will cover you/or them. Since this policy is required >in MD and I believe in DC and VA as well, then it should be no problem. Sorry, but no. Paul described it precisely and correctly.UMC covers the insured and his passengers or his authorized drivers of the insured vehicle in the event of an accident for which the other vehicle's driver, who does not have appropriate coverage, is at fault. Depending on the policy and the locale, it may or may not cover operators of your vehicle who do not appear on the policy. If you have lied to your insurance company about the primary operator or other parameters of operation, they can void your coverage. And guess who probably has greater resources of it goes to litigation? -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 18:16:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BMG6902772 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-42-135.s643.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.42.135] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vmrN-0006Oc-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:16:05 -0400 Message-ID: <011b01c1e1a6$aacf0800$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: Re: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:16:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 There was that case in Fairfax where a Saudi diplomat tried to stiff a building contractor citing that the Circuit Court didn't have any jurisdiction over him. I'm not sure how it was resolved. I'm not sure to "have to abide" by the laws. If "have to" you mean that they can be found persona non grata and be booted out, yes, but they are not under the same jeopardy of loss of life, liberty and property for law-breaking as ordinary joes. The drunk who ran over a teenage girl at Dupont Circle and killed her served time, but only because the Embassy of Georgia waived immunity. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Natasha Louis" > >Remember, he's a diplomat... > > > > Diplomat or no diplomat, he still has to abide by all the laws in his guest > country. Yeah he has diplomatc immunity, so what, it can only save him in > certain cases, he still has to pay fines and tickets. If he doesn't the > State Department gets on the Embassy to hold the person financially > responsible. If he refuses to pay, he loses his license, just like any of > us who aren't diplomats. > > I have been on both sides of this, been a diplomat and am now a local at the > Embassy, but they don't get the breaks they used to. > > And the State Department requires you to provide proof of insurance when you > register a vehicle to get your diplomatic tags. > > Natasha From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 18:27:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f241.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BMRZ902989 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:27:28 -0700 Received: from 64.24.81.183 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:27:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.24.81.183] From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: woops forgot to add that Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:27:28 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 22:27:28.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[1026D420:01C1E1A8] I am not a cage owner. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 18:30:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from laundry.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BMUK903067 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from odinseat.annapurna.com (dhcp-3.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.243]) by laundry.annapurna.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3BMSQo16634 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:28:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rob@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020411180836.04007f78@mail.annapurna.com> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:28:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <030e01c1e195$47b86c90$7d687b3f@ducman> References: <20020411195301.37860.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:12 PM 4/11/2002, Genna Melamed wrote: >Hey, owning a motorcycle can "ruining someone financially." > >Remember, he's a diplomat... This seems like a really good deal for the diplomat: gets to ride, gets covered by someone else, doesn't need to care about U.S. "credit rating", can try to claim immunity, can try to flee the country, etc. Also seems like a really risky deal for the "friend of diplomat" should it all go bad: possible trouble with the DMV, possible long-term trouble with insurers, possible liability problems leading to possible bankruptcy, possible criminal charges, etc. In short, stuck holding the bag in that "200 to 1" event that some tourist steps in front of a moving motorcycle, for example. What's the "up" side, again? My take is: - hard-core rider? - only allowed one vehicle? - LOSE THE CAR!!! /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 18:35:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f235.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.235]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BMZc903160 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:24:22 -0700 Received: from 64.24.81.183 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:24:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.24.81.183] From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: another try: insurance PLEASE, really! Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:24:22 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 22:24:22.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[A17211C0:01C1E1A7] Markel (merkel, whatever) is the only affordable insurance I could find as a DC resident with my previous bike insurance records in another country they charge me above a grand. Is there anyone who has good tips? i have tried geico, progressive, state farm, other stuff, no one would insure me. One asked 2 grands: how nice of them. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 18:40:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BMeC903196 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g3BMe6Z20617; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:40:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:40:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200204112240.g3BMe6Z20617@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Need help - O/T Apologies in advance, for the minimal moto content I need help moving some bulky stuff Wife & I are moving about 5 minutes from Mt. Vernon, scheduled for April 27th. It's only about 10 minutes from my current house, and I don't need help moving house to house, just with some of the bulky stuff that we have. Since we're close, we should have the satellite (complete with all channels I can get), TV & Stereo hooked up for entertainment purposes, and we'll gladly provide food & beverages. If you have absolutely no interest in helping, but wouldn't mind the food & beverages you're welcome as long as you bring something... Firearms will be secured for the move, so the only condition is that you not be bothered by our 2 Golden Retrievers... Anyone that may be able to help please let me know off list Thanks ! Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 18:47:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BMlT903410 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-187-201.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.187.201] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16vnLa-0002fg-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:47:18 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020411183552.00b22710@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:37:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Cc: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020411160143.015b5698@his.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:01 PM 4/11/2002, Stephen Harris wrote: >....when a responsible tortfessor is uninsured. Perhaps such a tortfessor should be larted with knobkerries. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 18:47:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3BMlW903419 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-187-201.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.187.201] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16vnLV-0002fg-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:47:14 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020411181739.00b20798@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:22:02 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <20020411201643.76754.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020411194102.74112.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:16 PM 4/11/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > it's called misrepresentation.... and it can void an > > insurance policy ab initio > >sorry. pursuant to list rules i have slapped myself for >using latin.... Omnus gallus Gimeri in partes tres divisa est. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 20:25:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f22.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3C0PW905078 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:25:26 -0700 Received: from 64.24.94.67 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:25:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.24.94.67] From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: INSURANCE IN DC? PLEASE HELP Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:25:26 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2002 00:25:26.0868 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B32D140:01C1E1B8] My last posting didn't go through. I am to renew insurance. I currently have Markel. They want over a grand. I don't own a cage, i am 36, and my US driving record shows that i drive motorcycle since 2001. I tried all the major companies: allstate, state farm, geico, progressive... all of them. No one was able to give me a quote. Is there anyone in this list that has insurance in washington dc for a premium that's not this high? tia pierfrancesco vfr 98 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 20:29:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3C0TY905170 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.18e.648e136 (4355) for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:29:02 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: <18e.648e136.29e7844d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:29:01 EDT Subject: re: laura ingratio's dilemma To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18e.648e136.29e7844d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10564 --part1_18e.648e136.29e7844d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit laura, \ i mean really just take the guy out of him big dilemma and marry him. then he will be able to have as many vehicles as he wishes. i guess you have already moved on to your new man anton since your last soul mate was a bust. why else would you be making everyone get into such a stupid matter on this site as per usual. give it a rest and make it legal in all ways then we won't have to hear about all your problems!!!!!!!!! and waste the site --part1_18e.648e136.29e7844d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit laura,
\
i mean really just take the guy out of him big dilemma and marry him.  then he will be able to have as many vehicles as he wishes.  i guess you have already moved on to your new man anton since your last soul mate was a bust.  

why else would you be making everyone get into such a stupid matter on this site as per usual.

give it a rest and make it legal in all ways then we won't have to hear about all your problems!!!!!!!!!  

and waste the site
--part1_18e.648e136.29e7844d_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 20:36:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3C0aI905372 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-187-201.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.187.201] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16vp30-0004DH-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:36:15 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020411203557.00af41f0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:37:44 -0400 To: RMccre5861@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: re: laura ingratio's dilemma In-Reply-To: <18e.648e136.29e7844d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 08:29 PM 4/11/2002, RMccre5861@XXXXXX wrote:
laura,
\
i mean really just take the guy out of him big dilemma and marry him.  then he will be able to have as many vehicles as he wishes.  i guess you have already moved on to your new man anton since your last soul mate was a bust.  

why else would you be making everyone get into such a stupid matter on this site as per usual.

Jealous, are we?

You know, if you go back to WebTV, they'll let you use the shift key and tell you what a site is. Who knows, they might even let you sign your trolls.

-- Larry





From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 20:56:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3C0uG905720 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p55.a2.du.radix.net [207.192.129.183]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3C0tSCl020196 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:55:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: laura ingratio's dilemma Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:52:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c1e1bc$7e108e40$b781c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1E19A.F6FEEE40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <18e.648e136.29e7844d@aol.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1E19A.F6FEEE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit laura, \ i mean really just take the guy out of him big dilemma and marry him. then he will be able to have as many vehicles as he wishes. i guess you have already moved on to your new man anton since your last soul mate was a bust. I've dished and taken some pretty serious abuse, and we've had some good flame fests here at DCC, but c'mon - that was an uncalled for cheap shot. why else would you be making everyone get into such a stupid matter on this site as per usual. She may not know $hit about braking , but she's at least on topic (more so than me most of the time), and trying to help a potential biker... What have you brought to the list lately ? Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1E19A.F6FEEE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
laura,
\
i mean really = just take=20 the guy out of him big dilemma and marry him.  then he will be = able to=20 have as many vehicles as he wishes.  i guess you have already = moved on to=20 your new man anton since your last soul mate was a=20 bust.    
 
 
 
    <DJY>  I've = dished and=20 taken some pretty serious abuse, and we've had some good flame fests = here at=20 DCC, but c'mon - that was an uncalled for cheap shot. =20   
 

why else would you be = making=20 everyone get into such a stupid matter on this site as per=20 usual. 
 
 
    <DJY>  She = may=20 not know $hit about braking <g>, but she's at least on = topic=20 (more so than me most of the time), and trying to help a potential=20 biker...
What have=20 you brought to the list lately = ?   
 
 
 
 

Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
LTT = customized=20 M96G EII 'Little Friend'
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ =

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1E19A.F6FEEE40-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 21:02:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3C124905884 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p55.a2.du.radix.net [207.192.129.183]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3C122Cl020960; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:02:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Pierre C'" , Subject: RE: INSURANCE IN DC? PLEASE HELP Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:59:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c1e1bd$690e54e0$b781c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Frankie pleaded - My last posting didn't go through. I am to renew insurance. I currently have Markel. They want over a grand. I don't own a cage, i am 36, and my US driving record shows that i drive motorcycle since 2001. I tried all the major companies: allstate, state farm, geico, progressive... all of them. No one was able to give me a quote. Is there anyone in this list that has insurance in washington dc for a premium that's not this high? Sadly, that's the way it works here... *Generally speaking* a short driving history relegates you to 'risk' insurance carriers. You're complicating the matter by being foreign (not meant as a slap at you, merely an observation that the companies are obviously using against you), own a bike and are in a high vandalism & theft city. A couple of things you can do register as a commercial vehicle maybe ? raise your (at least collision) deductible move to a lower crime suburb ride liability only get a cheaper bike to insure buckle down & pay it... I feel your pain, I got priced out of all state & State Farm was the cheapest at about twice what I was paying last year... If you've gone through the phone book & called at least 2 agents from all the major companies, I'd say you've already gotten your answer... Good luck & let us know how it turns out. Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 21:02:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f106.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.106]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3C12I905894 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:50:55 -0700 Received: from 151.200.16.190 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:50:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.16.190] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: RMccre5861@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: laura ingratio's dilemma Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:50:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2002 00:50:55.0529 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A59F990:01C1E1BC] Wow, that was really rude. :-( And you didn't even get her name right! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: re: laura ingratio's dilemma >Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:29:01 EDT > >laura, >\ >i mean really just take the guy out of him big dilemma and marry him. then >he will be able to have as many vehicles as he wishes. i guess you have >already moved on to your new man anton since your last soul mate was a >bust. > >why else would you be making everyone get into such a stupid matter on this >site as per usual. > >give it a rest and make it legal in all ways then we won't have to hear >about >all your problems!!!!!!!!! > >and waste the site _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 21:03:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3C13u905924 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 2975 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 18:03:37 -0700 Received: from 63.159.26.208 (HELO laurainternal) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.172) with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 18:03:37 -0700 X-Sent: 12 Apr 2002 01:03:37 GMT Message-ID: <003e01c1e1bf$6970fc60$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: , References: <18e.648e136.29e7844d@aol.com> Subject: Re: laura ingratio's dilemma Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:13:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C1E19D.C2637EA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C1E19D.C2637EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MOTHER FUCKING WHAT THE FUCK????????????????????????????? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX=20 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 8:29 PM Subject: re: laura ingratio's dilemma laura,=20 \=20 i mean really just take the guy out of him big dilemma and marry him. = then he will be able to have as many vehicles as he wishes. i guess you = have already moved on to your new man anton since your last soul mate = was a bust. =20 why else would you be making everyone get into such a stupid matter on = this site as per usual.=20 give it a rest and make it legal in all ways then we won't have to = hear about all your problems!!!!!!!!! =20 and waste the site=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C1E19D.C2637EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MOTHER FUCKING WHAT THE=20 FUCK?????????????????????????????
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 RMccre5861@XXXXXX
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 = 8:29=20 PM
Subject: re: laura ingratio's=20 dilemma

laura, =
\
i mean=20 really just take the guy out of him big dilemma and marry him. =  then he=20 will be able to have as many vehicles as he wishes.  i guess you = have=20 already moved on to your new man anton since your last soul mate was a = bust.=20  

why else would you be making everyone get into such a = stupid=20 matter on this site as per usual.

give it a rest and make it = legal in=20 all ways then we won't have to hear about all your problems!!!!!!!!! =  =20

and waste the site
------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C1E19D.C2637EA0-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 21:05:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3C15U906021 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 18974 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 18:05:21 -0700 Received: from 63.159.26.208 (HELO laurainternal) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 18:05:21 -0700 X-Sent: 12 Apr 2002 01:05:21 GMT Message-ID: <004901c1e1bf$a7837d20$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Dave Yates" , References: <000201c1e1bc$7e108e40$b781c0cf@nih.gov> Subject: Re: laura ingratio's dilemma Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:16:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C1E19E.1D3CF0E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C1E19E.1D3CF0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've dished and taken some pretty serious abuse, and = we've had some good flame fests here at DCC, but c'mon - that was an = uncalled for cheap shot. =20 I swear to god if I find out who the fuck posted that, they will rue = the day that made that post. =20 why else would you be making everyone get into such a stupid matter = on this site as per usual.=20 =20 She may not know $hit about braking , but she's at = least on topic (more so than me most of the time), and trying to help a = potential biker... What have you brought to the list lately=20 Yea, and they are so brave they posted their name, too, huh Dave? = Thanks for being in my corner for once! LOL LAG ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C1E19E.1D3CF0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
    <DJY>  I've = dished=20 and taken some pretty serious abuse, and we've had some good flame = fests=20 here at DCC, but c'mon - that was an uncalled for cheap=20 shot.    
 
I swear to=20 god if I find out who the fuck posted that, they will rue the day = that made=20 that post. 


why else would you be = making=20 everyone get into such a stupid matter on this site as per=20 usual. 
 
 
    <DJY>  She = may=20 not know $hit about braking <g>, but she's at least = on topic=20 (more so than me most of the time), and trying to help a potential=20 biker...
What have=20 you brought to the list lately
 
Yea, and=20 they are so brave they posted their name, too, huh Dave?  = Thanks for=20 being in my corner for once! LOL = <g>
 
LAG
------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C1E19E.1D3CF0E0-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 21:07:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3C178906067 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-110-128.s2160.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.110.128] helo=D7XFG711) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16vpWt-0002VT-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:07:08 -0400 Message-ID: <005501c1e1bd$79980900$806e2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Pierre C" , References: Subject: Re: INSURANCE IN DC? PLEASE HELP Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:00:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Well there's always insurance fraud, today's topic du jour. :) Have you tried working with an agent? Taking the MSF ERC will usually earn you at least a 10% discount depending on the company. Every little bit helps. I have Markel. You could try increasing your deductible. I have mine set pretty high. What can I say. Basically bike insurance in DC is a tough nut if you have a newer bike and fragile bodywork. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre C" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 8:25 PM Subject: INSURANCE IN DC? PLEASE HELP > My last posting didn't go through. I am to renew insurance. I currently > have Markel. They want over a grand. I don't own a cage, i am 36, and my > US driving record shows that i drive motorcycle since 2001. I tried all the > major companies: allstate, state farm, geico, progressive... all of them. > No one was able to give me a quote. Is there anyone in this list that has > insurance in washington dc for a premium that's not this high? > tia > pierfrancesco > vfr 98 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 21:16:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3C1GR906330 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 25834 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 18:16:18 -0700 Received: from 63.159.26.208 (HELO laurainternal) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 18:16:18 -0700 X-Sent: 12 Apr 2002 01:16:18 GMT Message-ID: <008301c1e1c1$2f085ee0$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: , References: <18e.648e136.29e7844d@aol.com> Subject: Re: laura ingratio's dilemma Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:27:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01C1E19F.A379C240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C1E19F.A379C240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>i guess you have already moved on to your new man anton since your = last soul mate was a bust. =20 no, actually, anton is a friend of a guy that I work with. Can't say = I've ever met the guy. But I am always willing to help out someone = trying to ride. And hmmmm, my soul mate was a bust? You seem to know so much about me, = huh? How exactly was it a bust? Please, inquiring minds want to know. = Today is not the day you want to mess with me you little fuck. LAG ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C1E19F.A379C240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>i guess you = have already=20 moved on to your new man anton since your last soul mate was a = bust.  =20
 
no, actually, anton is = a friend of=20 a guy that I work with.  Can't say I've ever met the guy. But I am = always=20 willing to help out someone trying to ride.
 
And hmmmm, my soul mate = was a bust?=20 You seem to know so much about me, huh?  How exactly was it a = bust? =20 Please, inquiring minds want to know.  Today is not the day you = want to=20 mess with me you little fuck.
 
LAG


------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C1E19F.A379C240-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 21:16:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3C1GS906333 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g3B1G9G01411 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:16:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:16:09 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <20020411201643.76754.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > sorry. pursuant to list rules i have slapped myself for > using latin.... > Tu es stultior quam asinus! Oops my bad. smack, Hugh From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 21:27:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11504.mail.yahoo.com (web11504.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3C1Rs906571 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020412012747.28927.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.5] by web11504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:27:47 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:27:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: laura ingratio's dilemma To: Laura Granato , RMccre5861@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <008301c1e1c1$2f085ee0$f14efea9@dccracing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Someone hit your hot button it seems... I've never seen you this way Laura. Glenn --- Laura Granato wrote: > And hmmmm, my soul mate was a bust? You seem to know > so much about me, huh? How exactly was it a bust? > Please, inquiring minds want to know. Today is not > the day you want to mess with me you little fuck. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 21:30:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3C1U6906652 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gt350 ([68.65.61.179]) by smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 smtprelay6 Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with SMTP id GUFLHU00.CPL for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:29:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c1e1c1$8a0b0400$b33d4144@frbgva.adelphia.net> Reply-To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: Subject: Petty Disputes Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:29:49 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1E1A0.027C44C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1E1A0.027C44C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I used to advise fellow Virginia motorcyclists to join this list to keep = up with the local MC community and perhaps learn about planned group = rides (do you remember those?) and events such as Bike Night. I am now = hesitant to do so. Why don't some of you consider resolving your = disputes privately with each other. If I am interested in hearing about = someone's love life I would rather read about it in the National = Enquirer. I thought topics on this list were to pertain to our common = love for motorcycles. It seems that flame wars have taken over. As = Rodney King once said: Can't we all just get along? I guess the answer = is "no". Not a sermon, just a thought. Roy D. Turner, Esq. www.cfolaw.com ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1E1A0.027C44C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I used to advise fellow Virginia = motorcyclists to=20 join this list to keep up with the local MC community and perhaps learn = about=20 planned group rides (do you remember those?) and events such as Bike=20 Night.  I am now hesitant to do so.  Why don't some of you=20 consider resolving your disputes privately with each other.  = If I am=20 interested in hearing about someone's love life I would rather read = about it in=20 the National Enquirer.  I thought topics on this list were to = pertain to=20 our common love for motorcycles.  It seems that flame wars have = taken=20 over.  As Rodney King once said:  Can't we all just get = along?  I=20 guess the answer is "no".  Not a sermon, just a = thought.
 
Roy D. Turner, Esq.
www.cfolaw.com
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1E1A0.027C44C0-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 21:37:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3C1bJ906786 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 23190 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 18:37:08 -0700 Received: from 63.159.26.208 (HELO laurainternal) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.172) with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 18:37:08 -0700 X-Sent: 12 Apr 2002 01:37:08 GMT Message-ID: <00cf01c1e1c4$1787cd20$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Glenn Dysart" , , References: <20020412012747.28927.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: laura ingratio's dilemma Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:47:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > Someone hit your hot button it seems... I've never > seen you this way Laura. > You're right, Glenn. This is very out of character for me, but I'll tell you, whoever did this has picked the wrong day to mess with me. I have enough going on in my life that I don't need to deal with someone taking cheap shots at my personal life. Laura From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 21:39:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3C1dW906796 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 24678 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 18:39:24 -0700 Received: from 63.159.26.208 (HELO laurainternal) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.172) with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 18:39:24 -0700 X-Sent: 12 Apr 2002 01:39:24 GMT Message-ID: <00d701c1e1c4$68c89520$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." , References: <000a01c1e1c1$8a0b0400$b33d4144@frbgva.adelphia.net> Subject: Re: Petty Disputes Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:50:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D4_01C1E1A2.DAB60CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01C1E1A2.DAB60CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I used to advise fellow Virginia motorcyclists to join this list to = keep up with the local MC community and perhaps learn about planned = group rides (do you remember those?) and events such as Bike Night. I = am now hesitant to do so. Why don't some of you consider resolving your = disputes privately with each other. If I am interested in hearing about = someone's love life I would rather read about it in the National = Enquirer. I thought topics on this list were to pertain to our common = love for motorcycles. It seems that flame wars have taken over. As = Rodney King once said: Can't we all just get along? I guess the answer = is "no". Not a sermon, just a thought. Roy: Please do not let this taint your view of the list. I have no = idea who made that comment and why it was broadcast over the entire = list. My personal life if private, but apparently someone wants to make = light of a situation that they shouldn't be involved in. Laura ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01C1E1A2.DAB60CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
I used to advise fellow Virginia = motorcyclists to=20 join this list to keep up with the local MC community and perhaps = learn about=20 planned group rides (do you remember those?) and events such as Bike=20 Night.  I am now hesitant to do so.  Why don't some of you=20 consider resolving your disputes privately with each other.  = If I am=20 interested in hearing about someone's love life I would rather read = about it=20 in the National Enquirer.  I thought topics on this list were to = pertain=20 to our common love for motorcycles.  It seems that flame wars = have taken=20 over.  As Rodney King once said:  Can't we all just get = along? =20 I guess the answer is "no".  Not a sermon, just a = thought.
 
Roy: Please do not let this taint = your view of=20 the list.  I have no idea who made that comment and why it was = broadcast=20 over the entire list.  My personal life if private, but = apparently=20 someone wants to make light of a situation that they shouldn't be = involved=20 in.
 
Laura
------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01C1E1A2.DAB60CC0-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 21:46:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f59.hotmail.com [216.32.181.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3C1kU906998 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:45:24 -0700 Received: from 64.12.103.31 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:45:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.12.103.31] From: "Natasha Louis" To: pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:45:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2002 01:45:24.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6CBB3C0:01C1E1C3] With the Croatian diplomat, if he didn't serve time in the US, he would have been sent home to serve time there. I know that in DUI/DWI cases, if a diplomat is caught, usually they are sent home immediately by their Embassy and their respective government deals with them upon their return back to their country of origin. Natasha >From: "Paul Wilson" >To: >Subject: Re: Re: >Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:16:07 -0400 > >There was that case in Fairfax where a Saudi diplomat tried to stiff a >building contractor citing that the Circuit Court didn't have any >jurisdiction over him. I'm not sure how it was resolved. > >I'm not sure to "have to abide" by the laws. If "have to" you mean that >they >can be found persona non grata and be booted out, yes, but they are not >under the same jeopardy of loss of life, liberty and property for >law-breaking as ordinary joes. The drunk who ran over a teenage girl at >Dupont Circle and killed her served time, but only because the Embassy of >Georgia waived immunity. > >Paul in DC >95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Natasha Louis" > > > >Remember, he's a diplomat... > > > > > > > Diplomat or no diplomat, he still has to abide by all the laws in his >guest > > country. Yeah he has diplomatc immunity, so what, it can only save him >in > > certain cases, he still has to pay fines and tickets. If he doesn't the > > State Department gets on the Embassy to hold the person financially > > responsible. If he refuses to pay, he loses his license, just like any >of > > us who aren't diplomats. > > > > I have been on both sides of this, been a diplomat and am now a local at >the > > Embassy, but they don't get the breaks they used to. > > > > And the State Department requires you to provide proof of insurance when >you > > register a vehicle to get your diplomatic tags. > > > > Natasha > _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 21:51:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3C1pf907097 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p55.a2.du.radix.net [207.192.129.183]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3C1pdCl026900 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:51:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Re: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:49:49 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01c1e1c4$57d37500$b781c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: With the Croatian diplomat, if he didn't serve time in the US, he would have been sent home to serve time there. He was ukranian, not Croatian. And, he was just recently paroled in the Fatherland... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 22:05:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f296.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3C25I907349 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:54:10 -0700 Received: from 68.50.58.239 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:54:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.50.58.239] From: "dannie davis" To: lgranato@XXXXXX, rdtesq@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Petty Disputes Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:54:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2002 01:54:10.0579 (UTC) FILETIME=[F060A630:01C1E1C4] and on that note........ anyone want to do a friday night ride?? putt around DC?? just a thought since it's supposed to rain all weekend???????? again just a thought dan crystal city >From: "Laura Granato" >To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." , > >Subject: Re: Petty Disputes >Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:50:11 -0400 > > > > I used to advise fellow Virginia motorcyclists to join this list to keep >up with the local MC community and perhaps learn about planned group rides >(do you remember those?) and events such as Bike Night. I am now hesitant >to do so. Why don't some of you consider resolving your disputes privately >with each other. If I am interested in hearing about someone's love life I >would rather read about it in the National Enquirer. I thought topics on >this list were to pertain to our common love for motorcycles. It seems >that flame wars have taken over. As Rodney King once said: Can't we all >just get along? I guess the answer is "no". Not a sermon, just a thought. > > Roy: Please do not let this taint your view of the list. I have no idea >who made that comment and why it was broadcast over the entire list. My >personal life if private, but apparently someone wants to make light of a >situation that they shouldn't be involved in. > > Laura _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 22:13:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3C2DC907464 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id p.10f.f5176e5 (3925); Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:12:39 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <10f.f5176e5.29e79c97@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:12:39 EDT Subject: Re: Petty Disputes To: danniedavis@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX, rdtesq@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10f.f5176e5.29e79c97_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10564 --part1_10f.f5176e5.29e79c97_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/11/2002 10:08:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, danniedavis@XXXXXX writes: > and on that note........ anyone want to do a friday night ride?? putt > around DC?? just a thought since it's supposed to rain all > weekend???????? > > > again just a thought > dan > Possibly. Keep us posted if you get a group together. Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) --part1_10f.f5176e5.29e79c97_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/11/2002 10:08:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, danniedavis@XXXXXX writes:


and on that note........     anyone want to do a friday night ride??  putt
around DC??         just a thought since it's supposed to rain all
weekend????????


again just a thought
dan


Possibly.  Keep us posted if you get a group together.

Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6)
--part1_10f.f5176e5.29e79c97_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 22:19:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3C2J2907534 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-187-201.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.187.201] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16vqe7-0004Ul-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:18:40 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020411221715.00af8cd8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:20:09 -0400 To: hcaldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: References: <20020411201643.76754.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:16 PM 4/10/2002, hcaldwell wrote: >Tu es stultior quam asinus! >Oops my bad. Now you've done it: "Iesu Domine, dona eis requiem -- whap!" wouldn't be so bad with a helmet on. -- Larry (whose favorite eighth grade insult was "Inflate mortuum elephantum.") From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 22:36:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3C2aY907899 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g3B2aFU01638 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:36:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:36:14 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Petty Disputes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Will there be any titty bars involved? Just a thought not a sermon. Hugh On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, dannie davis wrote: > and on that note........ anyone want to do a friday night ride?? putt > around DC?? just a thought since it's supposed to rain all > weekend???????? > > > again just a thought > dan > crystal city > From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 22:49:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3C2nv908111 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020412024955.20911.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.43.88] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:49:55 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:49:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: INSURANCE IN DC? PLEASE HELP To: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii if i remember correctly, dc rates are so high because comprehensive coverage is so costly.... very high theft rates. increase your comp. deductible, pull out all stops on security, and insure with a company that discounts for alarms, garages, etc. or....move! a mile or so, and i bet you're in a state. --- Pierre C wrote: > My last posting didn't go through. I am to renew > insurance. I currently > have Markel. They want over a grand. I don't own a > cage, i am 36, and my > US driving record shows that i drive motorcycle since > 2001. I tried all the > major companies: allstate, state farm, geico, > progressive... all of them. > No one was able to give me a quote. Is there anyone in > this list that has > insurance in washington dc for a premium that's not this > high? > tia > pierfrancesco > vfr 98 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 22:54:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14606.mail.yahoo.com (web14606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3C2sN908217 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020412025423.29229.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.43.88] by web14606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:54:23 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:54:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: To: hcaldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i've tried the latin-->english translation sites for the last couple posts.... no luck end the suspense!! --- hcaldwell wrote: > On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > sorry. pursuant to list rules i have slapped myself > for > > using latin.... > > > Tu es stultior quam asinus! > Oops my bad. > > smack, > Hugh __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 22:55:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3C2tU908230 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 24084 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 19:55:14 -0700 Received: from 63.159.27.206 (HELO laurainternal) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 19:55:14 -0700 X-Sent: 12 Apr 2002 02:55:14 GMT Message-ID: <002901c1e1ce$ffe513c0$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: a public apology Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:05:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 This apology goes out to the list for the manner I handled that annoying thread tonight. After an extremely rough day, it was not what I needed to come home to. I hope Mr. AOL would be polite enough to take his comments off-list and directly to me as to avoid any misenterpretations of any posts made here. This type of stuff does not belong on the list...period. I posted a motorcycle-related topic and someone chose to make it completely unrelated. I should have just left it at that, but as Dysart said "my hot button was hit." In no way would I ever literally do harm to mister AOL, as stupid as he or she may be. LAG From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 23:02:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3C322908411 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g3B31hK01712 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:01:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:01:43 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <20020412025423.29229.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Tu es stultior quam asinus - you are dumber than an ass No I don't speak latin but I do Google. Do a search on latin insults for many more or just go here for a quick primer http://www.insults.net/html/swear/latin.html Hugh On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > i've tried the latin-->english translation sites for the > last couple posts.... no luck > > end the suspense!! > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 23:19:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f248.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.248]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3C3Je908686 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:19:34 -0700 Received: from 68.50.58.239 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:19:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.50.58.239] From: "dannie davis" To: hcaldwell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Petty Disputes Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:19:33 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2002 03:19:34.0032 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE318900:01C1E1D0] lol well again i don't care what we do we can putt around we can meet up somewhere i don't care but i'm not sure if others will enjoy the same whacky ways as others LOL but i'll check back tommorow around 3ish or 4ish and then wait around for replies but it sounds like a plan to me dan >From: hcaldwell >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Petty Disputes >Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:36:14 -0400 (EDT) > > > Will there be any titty bars involved? Just a thought >not a sermon. > >Hugh > >On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, dannie davis wrote: > > > and on that note........ anyone want to do a friday night ride?? >putt > > around DC?? just a thought since it's supposed to rain all > > weekend???????? > > > > > > again just a thought > > dan > > crystal city > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 11 23:57:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f218.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.218]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3C3Rx908898 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:16:21 -0700 Received: from 68.50.58.239 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:16:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.50.58.239] From: "dannie davis" To: hcaldwell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Petty Disputes Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:16:21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2002 03:16:21.0696 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B8D6400:01C1E1D0] LOL uhhhhhhh sure why not i don't mind lol dan >From: hcaldwell >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Petty Disputes >Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:36:14 -0400 (EDT) > > > Will there be any titty bars involved? Just a thought >not a sermon. > >Hugh > >On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, dannie davis wrote: > > > and on that note........ anyone want to do a friday night ride?? >putt > > around DC?? just a thought since it's supposed to rain all > > weekend???????? > > > > > > again just a thought > > dan > > crystal city > > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 00:02:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f39.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3C42p909413 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:51:00 -0700 Received: from 68.65.55.98 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:50:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.65.55.98] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Petty Disputes Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:50:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2002 03:51:00.0043 (UTC) FILETIME=[4257F9B0:01C1E1D5] I must admit that I've been hitting the delete key about 85% of the time. I agree with Roy. Maybe with the warmer weather the posts will turn to more MC related posts (for you fair weather riders). And PLEASE, let's not make this another flame war. Razz www.conflictedinterest.com ....my tag line...sorry Roy ;-) > >I used to advise fellow Virginia motorcyclists to join this list to keep up >with the local MC community and perhaps learn about planned group rides (do >you remember those?) and events such as Bike Night. I am now hesitant to >do so. Why don't some of you consider resolving your disputes privately >with each other. If I am interested in hearing about someone's love life I >would rather read about it in the National Enquirer. I thought topics on >this list were to pertain to our common love for motorcycles. It seems >that flame wars have taken over. As Rodney King once said: Can't we all >just get along? I guess the answer is "no". Not a sermon, just a thought. > >Roy D. Turner, Esq. >www.cfolaw.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 08:40:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CCeJ917024 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:40:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: INSURANCE IN DC? PLEASE HELP Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:40:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Joining the AMA will also get you a discount with most insurance companies. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 9:01 PM To: Pierre C; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: INSURANCE IN DC? PLEASE HELP Well there's always insurance fraud, today's topic du jour. :) Have you tried working with an agent? Taking the MSF ERC will usually earn you at least a 10% discount depending on the company. Every little bit helps. I have Markel. You could try increasing your deductible. I have mine set pretty high. What can I say. Basically bike insurance in DC is a tough nut if you have a newer bike and fragile bodywork. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre C" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 8:25 PM Subject: INSURANCE IN DC? PLEASE HELP > My last posting didn't go through. I am to renew insurance. I currently > have Markel. They want over a grand. I don't own a cage, i am 36, and my > US driving record shows that i drive motorcycle since 2001. I tried all the > major companies: allstate, state farm, geico, progressive... all of them. > No one was able to give me a quote. Is there anyone in this list that has > insurance in washington dc for a premium that's not this high? > tia > pierfrancesco > vfr 98 From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 08:47:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from sundown.northgrum.com (sundown.northgrum.com [157.127.124.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CCl1917169 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA11180 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 05:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xcgca806.northgrum.com (xcgca806.northgrum.com [157.127.103.85]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA26978 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 05:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xcgca806.northgrum.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2DS9G98V>; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 05:46:18 -0700 Message-ID: <99407664A0A7D511AD9900508BB0FB03437D3F@XCGVA030> From: "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Perforated Jacket, Part II Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 05:46:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks for the many replies in response to my perf'ed jacket post. Your responses prompted me to include full-leather perf jackets in my research. Thought I just let everyone know what I ended up buying. After some web searching, I found the Fieldsheer Air Speed all-leather perf jacket at New Enough Leather on sale for $209 (list $239). Other all-leather perf jackets within my price target were more expensive (JR Sonic, $299; JR Blaster Perf, $299, AVG Ion $265). Vanson and First Gear, as nice as they are, were way out of my price range. Initially I was interested in the combo mesh/leather JR Reactor jacket ($199), but since the Fieldsheer all-leather jacket was comparably priced, I went with the all-leather. Now I'm ready to ride - more comfortably - in the infamous DC summer heat and humidity. Thanks again for everyone's input. Steve 97 VFR Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 08:51:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CCpS917263 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:51:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: INSURANCE IN DC? PLEASE HELP Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:51:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Another thing you can do is go to Progressive's web page and play with all the variables there and get an idea of what will lower your cost. Be sure to tell them you have an alarm and it's chained to something, they won't check. -----Original Message----- From: Rich Hall Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:40 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: INSURANCE IN DC? PLEASE HELP Joining the AMA will also get you a discount with most insurance companies. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 9:01 PM To: Pierre C; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: INSURANCE IN DC? PLEASE HELP Well there's always insurance fraud, today's topic du jour. :) Have you tried working with an agent? Taking the MSF ERC will usually earn you at least a 10% discount depending on the company. Every little bit helps. I have Markel. You could try increasing your deductible. I have mine set pretty high. What can I say. Basically bike insurance in DC is a tough nut if you have a newer bike and fragile bodywork. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre C" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 8:25 PM Subject: INSURANCE IN DC? PLEASE HELP > My last posting didn't go through. I am to renew insurance. I currently > have Markel. They want over a grand. I don't own a cage, i am 36, and my > US driving record shows that i drive motorcycle since 2001. I tried all the > major companies: allstate, state farm, geico, progressive... all of them. > No one was able to give me a quote. Is there anyone in this list that has > insurance in washington dc for a premium that's not this high? > tia > pierfrancesco > vfr 98 From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 09:19:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CDJr917695 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-48-144.s2176.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.144] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16w0y0-0000yi-00; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:19:53 -0400 Message-ID: <004a01c1e224$ed04cf60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: Subject: Re: INSURANCE IN DC? PLEASE HELP Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:19:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Except AMA's affinity program is with Progressive, which doesn't write policies in DC and five other states, including so big ones, like NC and NJ, if I recall. Ditto with Honda Rider's Club. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: > Joining the AMA will also get you a discount with most insurance companies. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 09:37:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f88.hotmail.com [216.32.181.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CDbD918005 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:37:07 -0700 Received: from 64.221.81.2 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:37:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.221.81.2] From: "Natasha Louis" To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:37:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2002 13:37:07.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[23BAC850:01C1E227] Sorry, my mistake. I should have looked it up. Natasha >From: "Dave Yates" >To: >Subject: RE: Re: >Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:49:49 -0400 > > >With the Croatian diplomat, if he didn't serve time in the US, he would >have >been sent home to serve time there. > > He was ukranian, not Croatian. And, he was just recently >paroled in the Fatherland... > > >Dave Yates >'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' >LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' >http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 10:22:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f50.hotmail.com [216.32.181.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CEMg918807 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:22:36 -0700 Received: from 208.224.173.2 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:22:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.224.173.2] From: "Sanath S" To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Motorcycle towing company (conclusion) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:22:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2002 14:22:36.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E5BDDC0:01C1E22D] Thanks for all the help and advice offered. Finally found someone to tow my bike to the dealer. The tow was covered by my auto club so I didnM-^Rt ask the dealer (Coleman) to cover it. The first guy I talked to at the Service department told me they would be able to look at till Monday, I almost flipped out, but then the sales person who had originally sold me the bike came over and talked to another mechanic who is apparently the "Ducati Guy" and the mechanic promised to look at it and give me a call in a few hours. As promised he did call me in a few hours and told me that the battery was dead. Turns out while parking the bike at work I had turned the key all the way to the left which I though locks the handle bars but what I had failed to notice was that doing this turns on the back light and leaves them on DOH!! In all the bikes I have ever owned turning the key all the way to the left ALWAYS locked the handle bars, guess I should have paid closer attention. So it was human error as opposed to something actually being wrong with the bike, go figure. Anyway I have my bike back now and it runs like a champ. Rides anyone? Sanath _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 10:38:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20102.mail.yahoo.com (web20102.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3CEcP919080 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020412143810.53790.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.253.132.218] by web20102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:38:10 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:38:10 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: What is 'proper' rear rider sag? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Moto-Content?? Perish the thought! Ok, so I'm setting up the suspension on all three of my bikes: the cb750, the race GS500e and the Triumph Trident/Speed3. On the Nighthawk I've set rear sag to 15mm and by all accounts (and many miles logged) this value is spot on. The Race GS I think worked out to a rear sag of 20mm when I took delivery and it seemed to do OK but I'll probably be mucking with it. The Triumph stock shock had a sag of 44mm since the spring was totally sacked. So I got a Hagon replacement. with 3mm of preload so far I'm at 35mm of sag and the rear-end is an improvement over what I had but it still majorly sucks. So probably another 3 more mm of preload is in order. The confusion lies in what is the value I should be targeting? Ohlins claims a 10mm-15mm of rear rider sag is correct. Other published sources tend to agree with that but move the range to 15-20mm. RaceTech's site for the T509 series Speed Triple says 32mm (but stroke is only 60mm which makes me wonder). So, can anyone help me understand what the right value is supposed to be? And another question. The front of the Triumph has an unwelcome tendency to stand up hard in bumpy turns. Is there a list of items I should check/adjust to address this issue? I'm still tring to adjust to the Triumph since my NH behaves so much more differently. Part of that is learning to give this beast a forceful shove on the bars to get it off vertical and to keep a heavy hand on it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 10:45:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CEj5919254 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-41-16.s270.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.16] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16w2IS-0007Wx-00; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:45:04 -0400 Message-ID: <01bc01c1e230$d3a99b20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Sanath S" , References: Subject: Re: Re: Motorcycle towing company (conclusion) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:45:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Glad it worked out for you in the end. Ah, the infamous "park" position. One of the dumber features on a bike, in my opinion. My Interceptor has the same thing. I have to make sure the key is turned to "lock" and not "park." You can take the key out in either position. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sanath S" > Thanks for all the help and advice offered. Finally found someone to tow my > bike to the dealer. The tow was covered by my auto club .. > > As promised he did call me in a few hours and told me that the battery was > dead. Turns out while parking the bike at work I had turned the key all the > way to the left which I though locks the handle bars but what I had failed > to notice was that doing this turns on the back light and leaves them on > DOH!! From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 10:59:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CExY919480 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-187-201.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.187.201] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16w2WH-0003Fh-00; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:59:22 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020412105742.00b2ea98@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:00:52 -0400 To: SMeredith@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Perforated Jacket, Part II In-Reply-To: <99407664A0A7D511AD9900508BB0FB03437D3F@XCGVA030> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:46 AM 4/12/2002, Steve wrote: >.... After some web >searching, I found the Fieldsheer Air Speed all-leather perf jacket at New >Enough Leather on sale for $209 (list $239). I bought that Fieldsheer for $220 new at Cycle Accessory Discounters in Gaithersburg about three weeks ago. It's a nice, solid jacket, and the perforations work really well. especially on the sleeves. I wore it on a 68 deg day two weeks ago and was flat-out *cold*. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 11:08:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CF8Y919695 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w093.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.93]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:08:28 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Perforated Jacket, Part II Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:08:27 -0400 To: "smeredith@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2002 15:08:28.0484 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6B3D840:01C1E233] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3CF8Z919696 Steve, I'm sure you'll be happy with your Fieldsheer Air Speed. They make good stuff at a reasonable price. Admittedly, not a Vanson but it will do the job. I currently use a Fieldsheer 1-piece racing suit (can't remember the model) that I also got from New Enough on sale/closeout. Very good value for the money. And Paul and Holly are good people. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- Thanks for the many replies in response to my perf'ed jacket post. Your responses prompted me to include full-leather perf jackets in my research. Thought I just let everyone know what I ended up buying. After some web searching, I found the Fieldsheer Air Speed all-leather perf jacket at New Enough Leather on sale for $209 (list $239). -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 11:19:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CFJo919908 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w050 ([168.144.108.50]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:19:49 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: What is 'proper' rear rider sag? Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:19:49 -0400 To: "pattonme@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2002 15:19:49.0316 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C829040:01C1E235] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3CFJp919909 Matthew, As a general rule, I always shoot for ~30mm rear sage (with the rider aboard) and ~35mm front sag (which is my current setup on my FZR). These are "nominal" values and are usually "right" for suspensions on modern spportbikes. I think most of what's been written about suspension usually cite sag figures that are pretty close to these. My choice is based on all the different suspension stuff I've read plus input from my friend Gary Jaehne who's a racer and dP Safety track school instructor and someone who has conducted numerous suspension clinics and helped people set up their suspensions in Northern CA (many as part of Doc Wong's street riding clinics http://www.docwong.com/st-clinc/index.htm). Chuck Original Message: The confusion lies in what is the value I should be targeting? Ohlins claims a 10mm-15mm of rear rider sag is correct. Other published sources tend to agree with that but move the range to 15-20mm. RaceTech's site for the T509 series Speed Triple says 32mm (but stroke is only 60mm which makes me wonder). So, can anyone help me understand what the right value is supposed to be? -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 11:49:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11103.mail.yahoo.com (web11103.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3CFnX920474 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020412154932.69399.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:49:32 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:49:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: What is 'proper' rear rider sag? To: matthew patton , dccycles In-Reply-To: <20020412143810.53790.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thank God! An actual motorcycle thread! Try checking out http://home.att.net/~gnemish/suspension.html He says: "The correct sag for sportbikes on the street should be 30-35 mm for the front and 25-30 mm on the rear." Also, you can probably address the Triumph's "standing up" problem by looking at the troubleshooting guide at the bottom of that page. Chris Weaver --- matthew patton wrote: > And another question. > The front of the Triumph has an unwelcome tendency > to stand up hard in > bumpy turns. Is there a list of items I should > check/adjust to address > this issue? I'm still tring to adjust to the Triumph > since my NH > behaves so much more differently. Part of that is > learning to give this > beast a forceful shove on the bars to get it off > vertical and to keep a > heavy hand on it. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 12:15:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CGFN920988 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.182.6a9e238 (25918) for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:15:01 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <182.6a9e238.29e86204@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:15:00 EDT Subject: Re: Motorcycle towing company (conclusion) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/12/2002 10:24:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kewlgt@XXXXXX writes: > In all the bikes I have ever owned turning the key all the way to the > left ALWAYS locked the handle bars, You are hardly the first to have that problem. You should have seen all the fun I used to have before they standardized fuel petcocks. Honda and Yamaha petcocks were backwards to each other, reserve on one was off on the other, when I saw a new bike on the side of the road (common in that era) It was most often someone who had just switched brands. Embarrassed the hell out of them, entertained the hell out of me. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 13:41:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CHfD922410 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA12395 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:41:11 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020412135309.0112a3cc@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:53:11 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Wayne Edelen Subject: New Enough dot com (was RE: Perforated Jacket, Part II) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:08 AM 4/12/02 -0400, cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: >Steve, > >I'm sure you'll be happy with your Fieldsheer Air Speed. They make good stuff at a reasonable price. Admittedly, not a Vanson but it will do the job. I currently use a Fieldsheer 1-piece racing suit (can't remember the model) that I also got from New Enough on sale/closeout. Very good value for the money. And Paul and Holly are good people. > >Chuck I have also been impressed with the service from Paul/Holly at http://www.newenough.com/ They are great to work with and they have great prices. I've had to return 2 items to them and it was handled promptly with quick refunds to my Amex. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 13:54:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.194.225.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CHs7922709 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (max3k-69.his.com [216.194.204.69]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA20124 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020412135434.015bbc40@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:54:43 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: What is 'proper' rear rider sag? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On the front - preload should be set such that the first 20% of the total front axle travel is used with bike & rider mass together. On the rear - preload should be set such that the first 20%-25% of total rear axle travel is used with the bike & rider mass together. Note, this is not to be confused with "static" sag, or bike ~without~ rider sag. Also note, if you are using a excessively rising rate spring system (air springs for example are very progressive) you may have to increase your sag. If you are using straight rate springs & do not have a high enough spring rate, you may need to decrease sag to avoid bottoming. Oddly, these numbers are about the same for the dirt bike racers I'm told. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 14:07:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CI76923021 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w035 ([168.144.108.35]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:07:05 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: New Enough dot com (was RE: Perforated Jacket, Part II) Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:07:05 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2002 18:07:05.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA790280:01C1E24C] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3CI77923022 They will also send you 2 different sizes of the same item if you're unsure which is the proper size. They'll initially charge you for both. You try them on and keep the one that fits. Send the other one back. They credit back the second item. Saves the time and hassle of having to return/exchange items that aren't the right size if you're inbetween the sizing. But generally Paul is pretty good about being able to tell you what the right size is for a particular product based on your height, weight, and body type. Original Message: ----------------- I have also been impressed with the service from Paul/Holly at http://www.newenough.com/ They are great to work with and they have great prices. I've had to return 2 items to them and it was handled promptly with quick refunds to my Amex. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 14:10:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CIAB923045 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w038 ([168.144.108.38]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:10:10 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: What is 'proper' rear rider sag? Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:10:10 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" CC: "pattonme@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2002 18:10:10.0690 (UTC) FILETIME=[48EC7620:01C1E24D] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3CIAC923046 I used to have a bunch of different suspension pages bookmarked, but now that I more or less know what I'm doing with suspension don't. The one Chris provided has pretty much the same info as you'll find anywhere else. I know I have at home a really good insert from an old Performance Bikes that is all about how suspension works and set-up. Original Message: ----------------- Thank God! An actual motorcycle thread! Try checking out http://home.att.net/~gnemish/suspension.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 14:41:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com ([209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CIfF923672 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:41:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Colemans Auction Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:41:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anybody been to one of the auctions Coleman's is going to hold tomorrow? Will it be worth the time? They're supposed to be having a huge sale too. Guess that might bring their prices down to others. From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 14:51:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.wheatintl.com ([209.120.170.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CIpC923952 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client94.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.94]) by smtp.wheatintl.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g3CIp5O05633 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:51:05 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020412144638.0227ccf0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:47:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Colemans Auction In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:41 PM 4/12/2002, RichH@XXXXXX wrote: >Anybody been to one of the auctions Coleman's is going to hold tomorrow? >Will it be worth the time? They're supposed to be having a huge sale too. >Guess that might bring their prices down to others. Went to one last summer. Total waste of time. Ton of bikes in varius states of disrepair. Not a single one looked road worthy. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 15:17:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CJHq924398 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2w064 ([168.144.108.64]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:17:51 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Colemans Auction Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:17:51 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2002 19:17:51.0684 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD76F840:01C1E256] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g3CJHt924399 I just happened to be there last year (I think to pick up something from the parts department), i.e., didn't know there was an aution going on. I would second Mike's assessment. If you're looking for a ready-to-ride street steed at some unbelievably low price, fugghedabudit. If you're looking for a project bike or something to turn into a track bike, you might be able to find something. Seems more like a way to lure people inside to try to sweet talk them into buying a new m/c or overpaying for accessories (although you might find something on sale at a decent price in the latter department). Free food I think. But with rain forecasted for tomorrow, I doubt that there will be a huge crowd on 2 wheels in attendance. Although on another m/c list that I eavesdrop on, it seems to have generated a lot of excitement. Either they don't know anything about Coleman or just have cabin fever and need a good excuse to socialize with other riders. Original Message: ----------------- From: Troutman mike@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:47:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Colemans Auction At 02:41 PM 4/12/2002, RichH@XXXXXX wrote: >Anybody been to one of the auctions Coleman's is going to hold tomorrow? >Will it be worth the time? They're supposed to be having a huge sale too. >Guess that might bring their prices down to others. Went to one last summer. Total waste of time. Ton of bikes in varius states of disrepair. Not a single one looked road worthy. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 15:53:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CJr5924922 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-41-190.s444.apx1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.190] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16w76T-0002ke-00; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:53:03 -0400 Message-ID: <008401c1e25b$d1f6d380$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: Subject: Re: Colemans Auction Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:49:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I went to the Coleman's Falls Church auction last year. Very little in ready-to-ride condition. A friend of mine successfully bid on a Seca II for not very much money. A couple of sad looking VFRs, one of which had had a run-in with Bambi. Deer fur embedded in the fairings and between the front tire and rim. Some of the bikes were beyond fixing. Strictly of the "parts bike" category. Accessories pricing was nothing special. Free hot dogs and drinks. I went because a VFR that I had looked at in a private sale was up for auction. I was considering bidding on it, but the bids went too high. It needed about $800-1000 in new bodywork. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:41 PM Subject: Colemans Auction > Anybody been to one of the auctions Coleman's is going to hold tomorrow? > Will it be worth the time? They're supposed to be having a huge sale too. > Guess that might bring their prices down to others. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 16:24:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CKOt925446 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fredg7yxzzfv8e (pcp01582778pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [68.48.145.11]) by mtaout45-01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with SMTP id <0GUH00EG221A3B@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:25:19 -0400 From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Aprilia Mille To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal OK, whose Aprilia RSV Mille was parked at the door at the Tyson's Sport and Health Club today? Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 16:38:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from noid.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.247.165.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CKcd925717 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bjarney ([24.206.23.182]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA16984 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:38:37 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020412165036.03caa7c4@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:50:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Aprilia Mille Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:25 PM 4/12/02 -0400, you wrote: >OK, whose Aprilia RSV Mille was parked at the door at the Tyson's Sport and >Health Club today? > >Lisa Goddard >'95 VFR I was on my Busa today and saw one in MD, just north of the 270 spur. I was heading N, it was heading S. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 17:37:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CLb0926706 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) id <0GUH001015DCOF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:36:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp05.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.53]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GUH0008N5DCKX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:36:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp05.wcomnet.com by pmismtp05.wcomnet.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GUH00B015D5MG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:36:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chan3544t ([166.36.153.47]) by pmismtp05.wcomnet.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GUH002HX5D59N@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:36:41 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:36:23 -0400 From: Robert Verde Subject: Idling question To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Message-id: <005901c1e26a$17e48eb0$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I've had an odd situation crop up with my '83 Honda Interceptor, I suspect it may be carb-related, but I thought I'd ask the listers. Since the weather has warmed up, after running for a while, the idle rate rises. Normally, over the winter, it idled around 900-1000 rpm; now, once it gets warm or after a bit of highway driving, the idle at a standstill remains high, around 2k, for some minutes. Sometimes it drops to what I consider "normal," other times it continues while I'm riding (the engine doesn't throttle back easily). The warm idle rate doesn't go any higher, or seem to fluctuate (except verrry slowly). Before I take off the tank/air cleaner and look to see if the carb floats are sticking, are there other things I should be looking for? I've cleaned the carbs before, and it is a PITA on the V4, especially getting the carbs back in the opposing boots, but I guess I can devote a weekend to it if that is the root problem. I have never had what I would call crisp throttle response on the bike, which I'd written off to age and the early 80's technology, but now I'm wondering if I should be looking for another set of carbs. Thanks for all replies, Robert Verde From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 17:51:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CLpA926978 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p34.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.34]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3CLp7Cl017839 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:51:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DC Cycles \(E-mail\)'" Subject: RE: Idling question Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:49:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c1e26b$e8d166a0$2282c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005901c1e26a$17e48eb0$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> I've had an odd situation crop up with my '83 Honda Interceptor, I suspect it may be carb-related, but I thought I'd ask the listers. Before I take off the tank/air cleaner and look to see if the carb floats are sticking, are there other things I should be looking for? I've cleaned the carbs before, and it is a PITA on the V4, especially getting the carbs back in the opposing boots, but I guess I can devote a weekend to it if that is the root problem. You need a good car cleaning / soaking. Possibly an overhaul. I had similar woes on my old v45, and after an overhaul, it ran the neighbor's cat that you use for paintball practice ;-) You're right, it sucks having to do carbs on a v4, but it would suck worse to be relegated to a cage... Good luck Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 17:55:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from fc2.capaccess.org ([151.200.199.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g3CLtk927029 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:52:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Idling question To: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <005901c1e26a$17e48eb0$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> In-Reply-To: <005901c1e26a$17e48eb0$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit First, check for air leaks. If none, spray carb cleaner into carbs or into airbox. Pull carbs only as a last resort. --garcia c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX writes: >I've had an odd situation crop up with my '83 Honda Interceptor, I >suspect it >may be carb-related, but I thought I'd ask the listers. > >Since the weather has warmed up, after running for a while, the idle rate >rises. >Normally, over the winter, it idled around 900-1000 rpm; now, once it >gets warm >or after a bit of highway driving, the idle at a standstill remains high, >around >2k, for some minutes. From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 20:14:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web10508.mail.yahoo.com (web10508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.158]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3D0EW929473 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020413001431.24920.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.94.9.205] by web10508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:14:31 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:14:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Need help - O/T To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200204112240.g3BMe6Z20617@atlanta.pop3now.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry butI am working that weekend. If you need a trailer, I have a 6.5 x 16 landscape trailer. You are welcome to borrow it. Todd W. --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Apologies in advance, for the minimal moto content > > I need help moving some bulky stuff > > Wife & I are moving about 5 minutes from Mt. Vernon, > scheduled for > April 27th. It's only about 10 minutes from my > current house, and I > don't need help moving house to house, just with > some of the bulky > stuff that we have. Since we're close, we should > have the satellite > (complete with all channels I can get), TV & Stereo > hooked up for > entertainment purposes, and we'll gladly provide > food & beverages. > > If you have absolutely no interest in helping, but > wouldn't mind the > food & beverages you're welcome as long as you bring > something... > > Firearms will be secured for the move, so the only > condition is that > you not be bothered by our 2 Golden Retrievers... > > Anyone that may be able to help please let me know > off list > > Thanks ! > Dave > > > -- > Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your > email accounts! > Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 21:01:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20107.mail.yahoo.com (web20107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.44]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3D11U900371 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020413010129.73655.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.28.205.82] by web20107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:01:29 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:01:29 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: bike handling and wrist pain To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020412135434.015bbc40@his.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks to various listers my Triumph is much better now but it's going to take some getting used to the sinking feeling when I sit in the saddle. Right now I can feel the shock topping out under bumpy braking and I'll be fine tuning the rebound/compression adjustment as best I can. The bike now actually turns without undue "it's not turning!!!" sort of fear welling up inside like before. I believe I've identified the cause and solution for the front bouncing back in bumpy corners. Not enough rebound damping. The compression stroke part seems fine but as soon as the force let's up a bit, wham, the springs recover. I have 10w oil in there per RAceTech's suggestion but I guess 15w or heavier may be needed. (it's possible my spring-rate is too much but I'll try the oil first) This is my first "big power sports bike" as it were and more so now that it's in the Speed3 configuration of clip-on's and raised pegs. I've read a lot about how riders experience pain and knumbness in hands after even short rides and how elevated speeds did much to assuade painful wrists. I was out for about 90 minutes in and around Burke, Springfield, and Clifton and I was definately noticing some discomfort in the right hand. Reading the likes of Keith Code et. al. however, is it not the case that proper riding technique calls for a feather light touch on the bars except for the brief moments when applying pressure to initiate a turn or when braking? To take the pressure of the wrists however, necessitates a not insignificant amount of leg and lower back muscle to support the upper body it seems. Do most riders simply not use these muscles and instead just let their arms and wrists do the work? Is that why stiff arms and stiff upper bodies are so prevalent and why being relaxed on the bike is so hard to perfect? How come we don't hear about elevated speeds and it's accompanying wind blast easing BACK pain. Is that why so many ride so few miles in a year? After all the completely and utterly off topic stuff of late I thought I'd change the pace a bit. I wish I was going to VIR but my race bike is still in too many pieces... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 23:10:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rasmus.futurequest.net (rasmus.futurequest.net [63.151.112.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3D3Av902139 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 575 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 03:11:00 -0000 Received: from motorcyclegearreview.com (63.151.113.84) by rasmus.futurequest.net (63.151.112.3 ); 13 Apr 2002 03:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.61.44.77) by motorcyclegearreview.com (63.151.113.84) with ESMTP; 13 Apr 2002 03:11:00 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:10:35 -0400 Subject: Help make racing/track days safer at Summit Point From: David Cross To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020413010129.73655.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Having crashed in Turn 4 myself this definitely is a good cause. I am sending in my check. Dave ----------------------- Racers to 'Move the Mountain Safety Project' at Summit Point Raceway and we need you! Things are changing at Summit Point Raceway in wild and wonderful West Virginia. Over the winter, some extra concrete walls were erected in front of embankments to keep out-of-control cars contained within the racetrack and not vaulting through or over spectator fences. Stacks of tires bolted together are placed in front of these walls. These walls and tirestacks have a negative effect on any vehicle or human that runs into them at speed. Racing motorcycles have been broken in half on impact with these immovable barriers. Kart racers have the same problem. For motorcycle racers to hit these objects, it is a certain trip to the hospital or even worse. SCCA racers hate to hit anything, too. So, what is the solution? The 'Move the Mountain Safety Project' at Summit Point Raceway, www.mtm.nbinteractive.com ,has been established by racers for racers in co-operation with Summit Point Raceway management and all users of the track. The big problem area is 'the chute' between turns 4 and 5 on racers' left. Racers fly down the chute at over 100 mph and have to turn right in the off-camber turn 4 and then jump on the brakes to set up for left hand turn 5. On the racers' left is an earthen and rock embankment just 30 feet from the track. With the concrete wall and tire stacks in front of the embankment, there is not enough room to save it if you leave the racetrack at 100 mph. Racing technology and speed increases every year and we need to come up with safety solutions to keep our sport healthy and in good hands. As racers, we need to be pro-active for our own safety. Roger Lyle, former motorcycle racer, former President of the Mid-Atlantic Roadracing Club (MARRC) for 18 years, and also current National Safety Director for Formula USA Motorcycle Roadracing, arranged a meeting with Mr. Bill Scott, owner of SPR, and national motorcycle champions David Yaakov of CAD Racing and Greg Harrison of WGH Excavation Inc., and team owner of Loudoun Motorsports Racing, and laid out the options available. The ideal solution would be to have ample run-off room, move the embankment back as far as possible, install a pea gravel trap to slow off-track vehicles, and put the wall and tire stacks 80 to 100 feet back up against the remaining embankment. There still may be a need to purchase some foam safety barriers to put in front of the tire stacks to keep cycles and karts from impacting the hard stacked tires. These foam barriers can be used by karts and cycles on their weekends. Area to be excavated is roughly 300 feet long by 100 feet wide. Depending on the amount of rock to be removed or blasted these dimensions could be smaller. The 'Move the Mountain Safety Project' has been presented to the board of directors for MARRC, WKC, and SCCA. Each group's suggestions and needs are being considered and incorporated in the master plan to benefit all users of Summit Point Raceway. WERA, CCS, F-USA, NESBA, and Team Pro-Motion have been contacted too. So, how do you get involved? The 'Move the Mountain Safety Project' needs money. We hope to raise $50,000 to cover the excavation costs and purchase some foam safety barriers for the cycles and karts. Mr. Bill Scott has pledged that he will match us dollar for dollar. Any leftover money will be put into other safety improvements for Summit Point Raceway that will benefit everybody who visits Summit Point. All contributors will be listed on the MOVE the MOUNTAIN website at www.mtm.nbinteractive.com. Check out this site for excavation updates and notes from the enthusiasts who support this project. Thanks to Ryan Chapin of Nuts and Bolts Interactive at www.nbracesites.com for providing this website for Move the Mountain Safety Project. Thanks to everybody who has gotten involved already. Make checks payable to Move the Mountain. Donations to the fund can be sent to: Move the Mountain 4413 Sigsbee Road Wheaton, MD 20906 For more information, call Roger Lyle at 301-933-2599 or www.mtm.nbinteractive.com. Your contribution will definitely make racing at Summit Point safer and more fun for all. With your support, we can ensure the future of great road racing at Summit Point Raceway. After all, "Summit Point is Road Racing!" From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 12 23:57:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20108.mail.yahoo.com (web20108.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3D3v9902883 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020413035708.38367.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.28.205.82] by web20108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:57:08 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:57:08 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Of suspension setup and wrist pain To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This didn't seem to go thru the first time so I'm trying again. Thanks to various listers my Triumph is much better now but it's going to take some getting used to the sinking feeling when I sit in the saddle. Right now I can feel the shock topping out under bumpy braking and I'll be fine tuning the rebound/compression adjustment as best I can. The bike now actually turns without undue "it's not turning!!!" sort of fear welling up inside like before. I believe I've identified the cause and solution for the front bouncing back in bumpy corners. Not enough rebound damping. The compression stroke part seems fine but as soon as the force let's up a bit, wham, the springs recover. I have 10w oil in there per RAceTech's suggestion but I guess 15w or heavier may be needed. (it's possible my spring-rate is too much but I'll try the oil first) This is my first "big power sports bike" as it were and more so now that it's in the Speed3 configuration of clip-on's and raised pegs. I've read a lot about how riders experience pain and knumbness in hands after even short rides and how elevated