From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 1 11:29:08 2001 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:29:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Daylight Savings To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- EmergeOut@XXXXXX wrote: > Ladies and Gentleman, Boys and Girls, Don't forget > to set your clock an hour > forward! > Yeah, it sucks. Bad enough working 12.5 hour days. I spend more time at work than at home. Now I got one less hour last night, but the guys I relieved when I came to work, got to work one less hour. :( Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 1 13:00:19 2001 From: CBRKittyCat@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:00:05 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/31/01 7:02:50 PM EST, dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX writes: << I will be back in the US on April 12 and hope to have a few days to prepare the racebikes for Summit on 4/21. >> very cool, we seem to be getting quite a group going to the wera races on the 21st of this month. i'm going to the emergency school and cornerworking both days.....on my free time i'll definitely stop by the dc cycles tent and say my hellos but i hear that i'm going to be kept quite busy. please, no one get hurt....i don't like seeing bikers crash or get hurt :*( horrible horrible site. GOOD LUCK TO ALL! i'll be cornerworking every wera but attending (as spectator) every ccs. does dc-cycles only do wera???? sam From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 1 13:36:36 2001 From: RoyalMonarch@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:36:28 EDT Subject: Question for all To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_f9.8a45628.27f8c11c_boundary Greetings Ladies and Gents! Does any one know where the DC Police Impound is located? I hear it through the grapevine that they auction off motorcycles there. Besides the DC Impound does anyone know any other place where bikes may be auctioned? Thanks for your time. RIDE ON BROTHERS AND SISTERS. B. Banks need 4 speed Honda CBR600f3 --part1_f9.8a45628.27f8c11c_boundary Greetings Ladies and Gents!  Does any one know where the DC Police Impound is
located?  I hear it through the grapevine that they auction off motorcycles
there.  Besides the DC Impound does anyone know any other place where bikes
may be auctioned?  Thanks for your time. RIDE ON BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

B. Banks
need 4 speed
Honda CBR600f3 --part1_f9.8a45628.27f8c11c_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 1 14:39:32 2001 From: "Chris Weaver" To: , Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:39:10 -0500 Hell, no! DC-cycles now does EARA as well. (YSR50 racing up in Monrovia, Maryland near Frederick) I will be upholding the DCC racing tradition at that venue. Our first race at Monrovia will be on May 20 (the same day as Bike Night). All list members are welcome to spectate - there is no charge as usual. Chris Weaver EARA #24 P.S. We also race in New York, but I doubt anyone on the list wants to go all the way up there to watch YSR racing. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:00 PM Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 > does dc-cycles only do wera???? From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 1 15:26:11 2001 From: "Ahalan" To: "'Chris Weaver'" , Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:24:49 -0700 Hey Chris, Let us know when and where and maybe some of us can make it - possibly even NY (I just love that town). Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 11:39 AM To: CBRKittyCat@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 Hell, no! DC-cycles now does EARA as well. (YSR50 racing up in Monrovia, Maryland near Frederick) I will be upholding the DCC racing tradition at that venue. Our first race at Monrovia will be on May 20 (the same day as Bike Night). All list members are welcome to spectate - there is no charge as usual. Chris Weaver EARA #24 P.S. We also race in New York, but I doubt anyone on the list wants to go all the way up there to watch YSR racing. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:00 PM Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 > does dc-cycles only do wera???? From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 1 17:09:12 2001 From: "Chris Weaver" To: Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 17:08:48 -0400 Thanks for the support, Niv. Actually it's in upstate New York. I'll put out details when the time comes. Chris EARA#24 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ahalan To: 'Chris Weaver' ; Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 6:24 PM Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 > Hey Chris, > > Let us know when and where and maybe some of us can make it - possibly even > NY (I just love that town). > > Niv > BMW F650ST > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 11:39 AM > To: CBRKittyCat@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 > > > Hell, no! DC-cycles now does EARA as well. (YSR50 racing up in Monrovia, > Maryland near Frederick) I will be upholding the DCC racing tradition at > that venue. Our first race at Monrovia will be on May 20 (the same day as > Bike Night). All list members are welcome to spectate - there is no charge > as usual. > > Chris Weaver > EARA #24 > > P.S. We also race in New York, but I doubt anyone on the list wants to go > all the way up there to watch YSR racing. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:00 PM > Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 > > > > does dc-cycles only do wera???? > > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 1 20:10:37 2001 From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Minor Leagues of Bike Night Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 20:09:19 -0400 Hey, My friends and I have been holding our own bike nights now for about two years, and this will mark year three. We run every Wednesday night so long as daylight savings time runs, so this week will be week #1. The schedule is as follows: Every Wednesday night meet at the Roy Rogers in Mt. Airy, MD (Mt. Airy is where Howard, Carroll, Frederick, and Montgomery County, Maryland meet. The Roy's is at the intersection of Ridge Road and MD Rt. 27, two lights north of the MD Rt. 27/I-70 interchange.). Arrive whenever you please, but the ride is scheduled to depart the parking lot at 6:30 p.m. SHARP!!!! Please don't dawdle, late comers will be left and those holding up the group are subject to ridicule. Some of us get there about 5:50 p.m. or so to eat and B.S. about our weeks, then we go. Arrive fully fuel'd and strapped to ride about 100 miles or so on a good night, but basically we return to the Mt. Airy area by about 11:00 p.m., even if we only cover 25 miles. Destinations in the past have included Gettysburg, Harper's Ferry, Annapolis, downton D.C., a complete loop of the Balto. Beltway (we were hiding from deer on the back roads), and other palces too. The group is laid back, no apex strafing or peg dragging, and all bike types are represented, from a '67 magneto Sportster to a 2001 ZX-9R and just about everything in between. I post this information for those of us not residing in the NO.VA/DC area proper, but up here in the sticks of MD. I will more than likely attend, but this may be my only ride for a while if this current bike sells anytime soon and I have to wait for the Harley. Be advised, the slightest whisper of rain and these candy-asses stay home. It is supposed to be a recreational ride, after all. Sometimes I have shown up in the past to be the only participant. On the other hand we had about 12 bikes one glorious warm May night about a year ago. It all depends. I guess my point that this is a very informal group has been made, but if you want last minute details to confirm whether or not the ride is on, try e-mailing me late wednesday at HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX. Or just show up. Even if we weren't there, it was a nice ride up to Mt. Airy to make sure. Howard J. Koontz 1998 CBR600F3 - For sale ---> http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P61+C18+A0+R178727+Q358105073 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 1 20:50:44 2001 From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 20:50:33 EDT Subject: Re: Sport bikes FS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX A fellow MSF instructor pal of mine has 2 Katanas for sale both low miles,garaged, never down etc. E-mail direct to Brian Ward at kevrep96@XXXXXX Bob From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 1 21:01:53 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: from full system back to slip on Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 21:06:52 -0700 I'm thinking of selling my full system seperately, and going back to a slip on. My question is, once I do that, how hard/easy is it to adjust the carbs? Is it absolutely something that requires specialized guages or can it be done without it, with careful notation of the adjustments you make? Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 06:48:31 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 06:45:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, EmergeOut@XXXXXX From: Bob Rapp Subject: FS: '97 Honda VFR (reposted per listers request) Cc: blrapp@XXXXXX --=====================_2886008==_.ALT Hi again, 1997 Honda VFR-750, Red (of course), 14k, stock, very clean, original owner. garage-kept and well maintained. Along with the bike comes a Second Look tank cover, Sigma bicycle computer, Geza m/c cover, and a VFR-specific Givi rack mount (not currently installed). Asking $6500. I don't ride it as it should be ridden and it's looking for a good home (looking for a smaller bike). Also (I have most of the original shipping boxes for these items and would be willing to ship): 1- Givi E360 topcase w/keys (hardly used) -$140 2- Givi E21 sidecases w/keys (1 well used) - $75 (both) 1- Givi E141 Wingrack -$100 I'd consider separating the Wingrack (combine sideplates w/ E21s and top plate with E360). Misc. '97 VFR fairing parts (minor damage): 1 left, upper & 2 right, upper fairings (insignificant scratches, no cracks): $100 ea. 1 left & 1 right middle fairing (minor-to-moderate scratches, no cracks): $100 ea. 1 left & 1 right lower cowl (scratches, no cracks): $50 ea. I may be reached via email or 301 286 0992 or bob.rapp@XXXXXX. I could provide photos upon request. I will be on travel this Wednesday (4/4) through Sunday. I should be available at 301 717 0095 before Sunday. If calling, please do so before 8pm; thanks. Regards, Bob At 11:57 PM 3/31/01 -0500, you wrote: >Ladies and Gentleman, Boys and Girls, Don't forget to set your clock an hour >forward! >Have a nice day all! By the way if there is anyone on the list selling a >sports bike please post your ad..I have two friends looking for good used >bikes! Thanks --=====================_2886008==_.ALT Hi again,

1997 Honda VFR-750, Red (of course), 14k, stock, very clean, original owner. garage-kept and well maintained.  Along with the bike comes a Second Look tank cover, Sigma bicycle computer, Geza m/c cover, and a VFR-specific Givi rack mount (not currently installed).  Asking $6500.  I don't ride it as it should be ridden and it's looking for a good home (looking for a smaller bike).

Also (I have most of the original shipping boxes for these items and would be willing to ship):

1- Givi E360 topcase w/keys (hardly used) -$140
2- Givi E21 sidecases w/keys (1 well used) -  $75 (both)
1- Givi E141 Wingrack -$100

I'd consider separating the Wingrack (combine sideplates w/ E21s and top plate with E360).


Misc. '97 VFR fairing parts (minor damage):

1 left, upper & 2 right, upper fairings (insignificant scratches, no cracks): $100 ea.
1 left & 1 right middle fairing (minor-to-moderate scratches, no cracks): $100 ea.
1 left & 1 right lower cowl (scratches, no cracks): $50 ea.


I may be reached via email or 301 286 0992 or bob.rapp@XXXXXX.  I could provide photos upon request.  I will be on travel this Wednesday (4/4) through Sunday.  I should be available at 301 717 0095 before Sunday.  If calling, please do so before 8pm; thanks. 


Regards,

Bob


At 11:57 PM 3/31/01 -0500, you wrote:
Ladies and Gentleman, Boys and Girls, Don't forget to set your clock an hour
forward!
Have a nice day all!  By the way if there is anyone on the list selling a
sports bike please post your ad..I have two friends looking for good used
bikes!  Thanks
--=====================_2886008==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 07:59:11 2001 From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: from full system back to slip on Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 07:54:02 -0400 Wassup Danny! So how did the carbs get jetted for the full system in the first place? Anyway, to answer your questions: Assuming you're not already a moto technician, rejetting is moderately difficult from the standpoint of teardown/rebuild, but it gets easier each time. You definitely need the shop manual, that pamphlet under the seat won't cut it. The difficult/tricky part is actually getting it tuned "just right." You have to find the right combination of main jets, needle settings, and fuel screw turns to get the proper idle, low-mid range and top end, and this may require tearing down & rebulding several times with a ride or dyno run in between each. You would definitely want to have a fully stocked tool box handy, I'm sure every bike has its own needs, but the only specialized tool would be a carb synchronizing tool (about $75) that, as the guy at Factory Pro told me, you can get away without, but is needed to "do the job right." I would recommend reading through the carb section of the shop manual to confirm that there isn't some tool your specific bike needs though before starting. So if you're going to do it, get the shop manual and give yourself plenty of TIME in order to do everything right. I bought my jet kit from Factory Pro and they were great about answering questions and helping out. And when all else fails, sell that cowasucky and buy a Honda!! LOL! -----Original Message----- From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 12:07 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: from full system back to slip on I'm thinking of selling my full system seperately, and going back to a slip on. My question is, once I do that, how hard/easy is it to adjust the carbs? Is it absolutely something that requires specialized guages or can it be done without it, with careful notation of the adjustments you make? Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 08:10:51 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 05:10:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: from full system back to slip on To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX give us some more info on what was done when the full system was installed--was it professionally rejetted and tuned for the full system? just so you know, putting back the stock jets, needles, etc. is not a difficult job.... but you probably won't need to do much at all if you're still using an aftermarket system with increased airflow over stock as far as guages go, unless you've got a dyno the only guage you'll use (if any) will be a carb synch-er --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm thinking of selling my full system seperately, and > going back to a > slip on. My question is, once I do that, how hard/easy > is it to > adjust the carbs? Is it absolutely something that > requires > specialized guages or can it be done without it, with > careful notation > of the adjustments you make? ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 09:15:44 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: from full system back to slip on Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 09:20:43 -0700 appreciate the responses, I'll just leave it alone. too much hassle to go through :) Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 12:07:32 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:07:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Minor Leagues of Bike Night I went to the Revolution Coffee Lounge in Herndon last tuesday and they where showing the bike races. They had the sound down and a mellow band playing. They had the races on a large projection screen as well as on a TV above the bar (mmmmm beer).Tomorrow they'll be showing rounds 1 & 2 of the superbike races from Kyalami so I think I'll be going back. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 12:26:07 2001 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: Wanna go racing? Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 12:23:45 -0400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 I've got a race bike and some leathers for sale. Leathers: AGV Rage, size ?? (equivalent to a US 48). Almost new. White/Red/Black. I'm 6'3" and they are a little too small from shoulder to crotch. So, 6'1" or less should be OK. $350. They were never worn to race, couple of rides on the street and I realized they were too small to be usable. For the bike, pictures and info are here: http://patriot.net/~stpeter/motorcycle/racebike.html If anyone is interested, I'm flexible on the price. It's reliable and fun to ride. It won't win (unless you're Mick Doohan), but it is a blast and will do better than you think. Handles great and is pretty dang fast. Track only, no street title. Make me an offer and get on the track cheap. I'll be out of town until Thursday, but it is time to clean the garage out. I will try to check e-mail on the road. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 13:37:39 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:37:36 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ride by NOVA MGR Sean Jordan and I went on this ride yesterday. We started w/ 6 riders but one of them peeled off once we got out to Marshall. The five of us who were left proceeded to the other side of Thorton gap via some of the usual back roads and, of course, 211. It was chilly and we encountered a spot of rain on the way home from lunch in Sperryville, but everyone was dressed for the weather so no biggie. We took turns leading along the various sections with which we were most familiar and, with the exception of a couple of places along the trip, the speeds were what I would call moderate. Halfway up the mountain to Skyline, we ran into a wall of fog that stuck with us 'til a good way down the other side. Visibility was essentially nil so the high jinx there were at a minimum. For those of you headed to 211 in the near future it appears that the winter sand is pretty much gone. Anyway, the ride was fun and no incidents to report. I hope to join more of you guys on a ride soon. Randy Brian Roach posted an announcement for: > NORTHERN VIRGINIA MOTORCYCLE GROUP RIDES (NOVA MGR) > http://members.aol.com/novamgr > novamgr@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 15:20:09 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 15:19:51 -0400 To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Amazing Price Difference Ok - so I am taking everyone's advice and I will replace the RR next week on my '97 VFR. I cross-posted this to a local list to make a point. I called Manassas, VA Honda/Kawi to make the appointment (4-9) and pre-order the part. They quote $182 for the OEM RR +tax. I think, "Hmmm...that seems high. I'll call around". Called Honda of Milpitas in Cali. $130. $8.50 to get it to Northern Virginia Thursday (which is really next day shipping since they won't be back in stock until Wednesday). And Bill was a NICE GUY to talk to. The guy that works the phones at Manassas grunted at me, and asked me if a 97 VFR was the same as an RC30. These are the same guys that I trust to service my bike BTW. Why does Manassas Honda believe a 100% markup on parts makes good sense? I WANT to give the local guy my money, but not if he is going to bend me over to do it. If I move to Cali, that would make Milpitas local, right? ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA "Any lie will find believers as long as you tell it with force." --Greta Garbo in "Queen Christina" From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 15:37:33 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 15:35:09 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Amazing Price Difference To: Troutman Cc: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Troutman wrote: > If I move to Cali, that would make Milpitas local, right? > > ;-) If you can get there within a 2-days' ride, it's local in my book. California is local. :) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 15:59:28 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:59:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Amazing Price Difference I haven't figured out what a RR is but 2 things: Manassas Honda/Kawi's prices are the worst I've seen around here. 2nd, Manassas may have quoted you HOnda prices, not OEM prices. If you want Honda parts, give Shenandoah Honda a call - 540-678-8500 or 800-276-2036. I do ALL of my Honda parts business with them. Right off the bat they gave me a 10% discount for all of what I buy. No questions asked. Tell them I referred you (not sure it does any good for me but what the hey...) -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted for impeachment." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:16:01 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Gasonline grade threatd again Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:20:53 -0700 Is it that time of year for gasoline grade again? if I recall correctly... 93 octane doesn't have more power (btu's) than 89 octane.. however at high rpm the gas detonates smoother and more consistently. I use 89 in my 95 kawasaki and my friend has used it in his honda F2... He says he's going to start using 93 octane... I'm thinking.. with a 20 cents difference per gallon, with every fill up, he's throwing away a buck.. that's how i see it. what do you think? Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:16:10 2001 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Matthew Patton" , Cc: Subject: RE: Amazing Price Difference Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:15:13 -0400 An "RR" is a Regulator/Rectifier, a primary component in the bike's electrical system. Hondas (and VFRs in particular) commonly have this ailment. From what I understand, the Honda Reg/Recs aren't built to withstand the heat under which they're subjected and they regularly fail due to this. I've heard of folks rigging up heat sinks and small fans onto their Reg/Recs in an effort to keep the heat down, but I don't recall whether these were effective or not. Chris Weaver '98 VTR (no RR problems so far), YSR, dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 3:59 PM To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Amazing Price Difference I haven't figured out what a RR is but 2 things: Manassas Honda/Kawi's prices are the worst I've seen around here. 2nd, Manassas may have quoted you HOnda prices, not OEM prices. If you want Honda parts, give Shenandoah Honda a call - 540-678-8500 or 800-276-2036. I do ALL of my Honda parts business with them. Right off the bat they gave me a 10% discount for all of what I buy. No questions asked. Tell them I referred you (not sure it does any good for me but what the hey...) -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted for impeachment." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:27:34 2001 From: biga@XXXXXX (Andrew Culpepper) Subject: Re: Gasonline grade threatd again To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:27:33 -0400 If you're not having detonation troubles, a higher octane won't buy you anything except maybe more combustion chamber deposits. Andrew '90EX500 On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:20:53 -0700 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Is it that time of year for gasoline grade again? From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:28:49 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:26:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: Amazing Price Difference At 10:15 AM 4/2/01, Christopher Weaver wrote: >I've heard of folks rigging up heat sinks and small fans onto their >Reg/Recs in an effort to keep the heat down, but I don't recall whether >these were effective or not. *sometimes* the heat sink helps. It is a sticky issue. Sometimes the Stator fails along with the RR, or the wiring harness is corroded which causes the RR failure. Other things can look like an RR failure, so I have no idea if this will fix the problem. I am amazed that Honda hasn't fixed the RR issue yet ... or offered a recall .... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA "Any lie will find believers as long as you tell it with force." --Greta Garbo in "Queen Christina" From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:39:57 2001 From: "Aaron Ward" To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gasoline grade thread again Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:39:51 -0400 >From what I understand, you need to use what the manual recommends. I'm guessing your bike manual recommends 87 or higher? Both my bikes, a 1987 CBR600F1 and a 1997 CBR900RR run great on 87. If you really want to test this, I suppose you could use a dyno. But you would have to do the test back to back, to get similar temperature/pressure/etc. So take the bike to the dyno with a nearly empty tank of one octane (87), run it, then drain the carbs/tank and put in the other octane (93) and see if you get more horsepower. I'm guessing you won't, unless you have a high-compression and/or spark advanced bike or some serious carbon build up. I think they just put more crap in the gas to increase the octane rating. That crap doesn't do anything for more power, it just inhibits detonation. You should try running the lowest octane gas that doesn't cause knock/detonation. If you like the way 93 octane makes your bike run better, you should put some Slick50 in there and you will really see a difference! ;) Aaron >From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Gasonline grade threatd again >Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:20:53 -0700 > >Is it that time of year for gasoline grade again? > >if I recall correctly... 93 octane doesn't have more power (btu's) >than 89 octane.. however at high rpm the gas detonates smoother >and more consistently. > >I use 89 in my 95 kawasaki and my friend has used it in his honda >F2... He says he's going to start using 93 octane... I'm >thinking.. with a 20 cents difference per gallon, with every fill up, >he's throwing away a buck.. that's how i see it. what do you think? > >Danny _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:40:23 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:36:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Gasonline grade threatd again To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm thinking.. with a 20 cents difference per gallon, with every fill up, > he's throwing away a buck.. that's how i see it. what do you think? I think high octane gas is the best marketing scam unleashed ever on the American public. Unless you are running an extremely hyped air-cooled high compression engine, you probably don't need anything other than 87 octane. The ONLY reason to go to a higher octane gas is if your engine is currently pinging under light loads with low octane gas. Otherwise, yes, you are just putting more money in the oil company's pocket. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:42:26 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:42:13 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Non-moto - Question To: How many of you out there really care if Metro changes the name of the National Airport metro stop to Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport? All Congress seems to be concerned about lately is that Metro won't do it. I for one think it's stupid. Granted, they did change the name of the airport but, how many idiots out there can't figure out that National Airport is the same as R.R.W.N.A. Long ass name in my opinion. Yes, the man did some great things but honestly, how many buildings, etc. need to be named after him? Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:44:40 2001 From: "Rob Keiser" To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Amazing Price Difference Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:44:33 -0400 Mike, Have you thought about going the way of Electrex instead of OEM? http://www.electrexusa.com/honda.htm I know they were rather involved in one way or another with some on the VFR list. Just a thought. Rob '98 VFR800 >From: Troutman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Amazing Price Difference >Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:26:55 -0400 > >At 10:15 AM 4/2/01, Christopher Weaver wrote: >>I've heard of folks rigging up heat sinks and small fans onto their >>Reg/Recs in an effort to keep the heat down, but I don't recall whether >>these were effective or not. > >*sometimes* the heat sink helps. It is a sticky issue. Sometimes the >Stator fails along with the RR, or the wiring harness is corroded which >causes the RR failure. Other things can look like an RR failure, so I have >no idea if this will fix the problem. I am amazed that Honda hasn't fixed >the RR issue yet ... or offered a recall .... > > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > >"Any lie will find believers as long as you tell it with force." >--Greta Garbo in "Queen Christina" > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:50:07 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:49:45 -0400 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Non-moto - Question Cc: Sounds like a good dccycles2 topic ;-) I'm glad they are naming stuff after Reagan, but I don't see any need to change the metro stop name. A few others need to be changed first - like add WCC to the Chinatown stop name. Sometimes (for us non-frequent metro riders) it is a real PITA to figure out which stop is close to our destination. MCI center isn't named, and the stop is under the freaking building. At 04:42 PM 4/2/01, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >How many of you out there really care if Metro changes the name of the >National Airport metro stop to Ronald Reagan Washington National >Airport? All Congress seems to be concerned about lately is that Metro >won't do it. I for one think it's stupid. Granted, they did change the >name of the airport but, how many idiots out there can't figure out that >National Airport is the same as R.R.W.N.A. Long ass name in my >opinion. Yes, the man did some great things but honestly, how many >buildings, etc. need to be named after him? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "I knew one thing: as soon as anyone said you didn't need a gun, you'd better take one along that worked." --Robert Mitchum in "Farewell, My Lovely" From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:50:24 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:48:28 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Amazing Price Difference To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Troutman wrote: > > I am amazed that Honda hasn't fixed > the RR issue yet ... or offered a recall .... > Hmm, I can somehow imagine BigH engineers trying to perfect a design an expensive electric component or two that has a MTBF of 2 or 3 years. Just out of warranty. Gotta make some money back on the bike post sale. Sort of like the 'bad weld' Yuasa battery problems. Why fix the problem, when you can just sell another unit? Ok, I'll quit being cynical now. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:51:54 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:50:12 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Gasonline grade threatd again To: Andrew Culpepper Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Andrew Culpepper wrote: > > If you're not having detonation troubles, a higher octane won't buy > you anything except maybe more combustion chamber deposits. > In which case, you'll end up NEEDING higher octane gas to compensate... sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Me, I'm sort of happy my motor doesn't need high octane gas. If it does, it's a sign of some sort of problem... -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:53:33 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:53:14 -0400 To: "Rob Keiser" From: Troutman Subject: RE: Amazing Price Difference Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thought about it yes - even price quoted. Electrex has been through 3 generations of RR for the VFR. The latest one they claim has fixed the problem. A fellow VFR lister tried one and it burned up in 75 miles. The few that have gone with OEM seem to believe they will last another 25k before needing replacement again. RR failures seem to affect around 10% of VFR owners between 25k and 30k miles. At 04:44 PM 4/2/01, Rob Keiser wrote: >Have you thought about going the way of Electrex instead of OEM? > >http://www.electrexusa.com/honda.htm > >I know they were rather involved in one way or another with some on the >VFR list. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "I knew one thing: as soon as anyone said you didn't need a gun, you'd better take one along that worked." --Robert Mitchum in "Farewell, My Lovely" From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 17:13:38 2001 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Troutman" Cc: Subject: RE: Amazing Price Difference Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:12:51 -0400 Well, ignoring my ingrained cynicism, I would say that the reason Honda should wish for that not to happen is that it might end up giving them a reputation for poor build quality and customer service. That costs a lot more than a regulator/rectifier, I'm guessing. Their reputation, from what I can tell, is something very valuable to Honda and I'm also at a loss as to why they haven't tried to fix this problem. I wonder how many people have decided against buying Triumphs over the decades based on their poor reliability reputation? Granted, they had a few more problems than regulator/rectifiers going bad. Chris Weaver -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:the.horkster@XXXXXX] [Dale's "devil's advocate":] Why fix the problem, when you can just sell another unit? From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 17:22:31 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:22:44 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Gasonline grade threatd again Ok, I've got time for this one. This is a clip from the save file; In normal gasoline engine combustion the kernel of heat from the spark plug ignites the compressed mixture in the combustion chamber. That kernel grows as the flame front proceeds to consume the unburnt mixture, the speed of which is far slower than the speed of sound, on the order of 20 metes per second or so, from the spark plug the outter canyons of the squish band. This is everything working normally, with a smooth combustion chamber pressure rise rate of, say, tens of PSI per crank degree of rotation. Your bike accelerates nicely out of the turn and you win the race. But things don't always work out so nice. Sometime there is auto-ignition of the last part(s) of the charge, AFTER the spark has ignited the mixture, and most of it has burned normally. This is sometimes also called "detonation" or "knock." Why is there auto-ignition you ask, well that has to do with the chemical make up of the compressed and ignited mixture. As normal burning proceeds, at the above noted sub-sonic speed, the expansion of the burned gases compresses the unburned charge ahead of it, and the heat release of combustion also heats it. The result is a rising temperature-pressure history in the unburned charge. This exposure to rising temperature drives chemical change in the still-unburned charge, termed "pre-flame reactions". Thermal collisions set fuel molecules into vibration and ultimately knock off the less-well-bonded hydrogens and other bits. Some of the fragments thus produced are the infamous "active radicals", which are chemical fragments with unpaired electrons. This makes these bits very reactive. If the flame consumes the entire charge, right out to the cylinder wall, before these pre-flame reactions can get too far along, the result is normal combustion. But if the fuel has a poor resistance (meaning low octane) to pre-flame reaction, or if the rpm's are low enough relative to thottle opening to give combustion process too much time, or if the spark is excessively advanced, or if you have installed high compression pistons, the pre-flame reactions may proceed to the point at which the chemical reaction rate accelerates in chain reaction to local auto hot ignition - BEFORE the normal flame front actually reaches it. With such a high local population of free radicals, the auto-ignited mixture no longer burns normally. Instead, burning of a different kind is established; detonation. In this type of burning, it is not heat radiation and convection that sets unburned mixture abaze. Instead, it is the sharp pressure increase across a shock wave, established because the speed of the chemical reaction equals or exceeds the speed of sound. This shock wave consumes the rest of the unburned charge greedily in its highly excited state, and then reverberates across the cylinder at a frequency determined by (a) cylinder diameter and (b) speed of sound in local conditions. The rate of pressure rise is, catastrophically high. This causes mechanical damage to your engines interior. In the case of your bike, I doubt you have advanced the ignition, I doubt you have raised your compression ratio, therefore it is unlike that you will have auto-ignition of the mixture. As long as you do not have auto-ignition of the mixture, you can use lower octane fuel with no measurable difference, except at the wallet. The really exciting part is that soon engines are going to be equipped with sensors that pick up the tell tale vibrations from auto-ignition and software in the spark box will compensate by reducing spark lead or slightly enriching the fuel injection map to stop the pre-flame reactions. S At 04:20 PM 4/2/01 -0700, you wrote: >Is it that time of year for gasoline grade again? > >if I recall correctly... 93 octane doesn't have more power (btu's) >than 89 octane.. however at high rpm the gas detonates smoother >and more consistently. > >I use 89 in my 95 kawasaki and my friend has used it in his honda >F2... He says he's going to start using 93 octane... I'm >thinking.. with a 20 cents difference per gallon, with every fill up, >he's throwing away a buck.. that's how i see it. what do you think? > >Danny > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 17:25:36 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:25:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: from full system back to slip on To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Tom Gimer wrote: > as far as guages go, unless you've got a dyno the > only > guage you'll use (if any) will be a carb synch-er . . . and I've heard you can fake one of those with some clear vacuum tubing with water in it. Connect the ends of the tube to the two carbs you want to balance and start the engine. This method will probably take longer if you've got more than two carbs to balance. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 17:54:53 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: zx6r / zx9r wheels the same? Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:59:44 -0700 anyone know if the zx6r and zx9r wheels are the same? Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 18:02:33 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:02:31 -0500 Subject: Doing the Supercamp Shuffle in tax-haven Delaware It's an inside joke - spend the bucks and find out... So while Bryan R. and Laura G. are still frittering their afternoon away under the watchful gaze of Danny Walker and Chris Carr, Scooter et. al. and I'll do my little writeup. As a non-racer, clueless newbie I took the 2 day dirt track course on Friday/Sat. We had a full class of 24 riders split into three groups according to perceived prowess. About 1/2 the class were returnee's and their skills (or bravery) reflected it. I thought I'd take rank newbie status but believe it or not there were two others who were newer riders than myself. Thus I was consigned to the well-deserved newbie group: #3. The idea is to teach the students the finer points of sliding a bike into and around a turn. Most street riders especially, never learn how to use the rear brake. Indeed on most modern bikes one sometimes wonders why they even put one back there. Nonetheless if you watch any dirt GP racing or the likes of ?Collin? on world SuperBike you will see that the rear brake is pivital to successful cornering - at least the Danny Walker Way(tm). Roadriders like myself typically think the proper way to approach a turn is to: 1) pick a reference point 2) slow down 3) get off the brakes and lean it over 4) gradually and SMOOTHLY roll on the throttle (note to self) With #3 and #4 nearly simultaneous. Indeed this works. And about sums up eg. the Keith Code method (if oversimplified). The Danny Walker method comes from the dirt school (probably in no small reason the historically 'weak' brakes of dirt bikes and the unpredictable but malleable surface) where the whole concept is to use the rear tire (and body work, swing arm, and any other convenient metal bits as the case may be) to plow oneself into the corner sideways. It's harrowing to see a 600cc sportbike going sideways on asphalt into a turn from even before the 1st braking marker but it's done and apparently to good effect if race standings are to be believed. Personally, I think Danny does it because it looks cool and you get to watch the color drain from the face of the guy behind you as he has an "oh-shit" moment. *big grin* Still, what was he doing watching your tire slither side-ways anyway... In any event, you approach the turn on the outside. You use the rear brake just shy of or at it's skidding point to slow and while slowing, push the bike under you (moto-cross style) with your butt sitting 1/2 way off the HIGH side of the seat - basically on top of the bike, down-side arm essentially straight and high-side elbow way up (another note to slack-armed, sagging-elbow self). Backbone vertical to road surface. While maintaining this radical (almost horizontal if you're good) and somewhat unnerving bike angle you modulate the rear brake until such time as the frame is pointed at the exit of the turn. Picture an almost V shaped fish hook. From this position still south (and maybe a little east) of the turn apex you straighten the bike up and apply the throttle, accellerating in a ~straight line for the next turn entry point. That's the theory. Danny and the rest of the instructors obviously do it well. As to me, well let's just say I wish the camp was longer by at least another day and then some. At the end of the 2nd day (even after my 4 hour forced rest period - see below) I was only somewhat successful at getting the bike slid enough around that I was pointed up-hill, only to have stalled the engine. Most of the time the bike was pointed ~90 degrees to my inital vector of travel but not the 130 or so it needed to be. And when the rear tire washed out I tended to bring the bike upright instead of letting it continue the slide. On dirt and not going very fast it's not a problem. On the street though and not being firm with the down-force would have meant a nice high-side especially on a bike weighing more than twice it's rider. Still, there were a couple of instances wherein I had the "tingling feeling" when I knew I had done it pretty good. And those were the times when I also managed NOT to drop my head or body (3rd note to hick-headed self) and end up in a pile on the ground. I dare say my knee+shin GP grade armor got a good workout. The class and the company are IMO quite good but if I had but one suggestion to run it better, it would be this: have the students run just one single corner, over and over and over again, hundreds of times even till they master the lock-up, slide and bring the bike upright. The venue was plenty big to run 2 sets of left and right turns simultanesouly. With an instructor right there to critique your every mistake I would have learned a lot more I should think. It's fun to ride, sure, but you can't really practice proper form when you're concerned with traffic or trying to remember and execute the 12 specific points and all you can process at once is 2. I suspect many schools have the same problem - students bitch and moan about doing drills - they just want to ride. But somebody's got to make them do it till they get it right. And while maybe group #1's returnee's wouldn't have needed quite so much practice, us #3's needed a whole lot more of just the absolute basics. sometimes the MSF's approach of picking on niggling details over and over again is worth it and effective. Even if it took us the full first day to just do the basic drill I think that would have been best. What I noticed while watching from the sidelines and from the video was that riders of all grades were *turning* around the corner at increasingly faster velocities in fine MSF fashion (myself included) and spraying dirt in corner-exit powerslides but were missing the whole point. A rear-skid while essentially vertical is not the same thing as plowing a nice arcing furrow in the sand to bring the rear around. And failing to achieve even passing perfection in that key manuver puts a small dint in my enthusiasm for having spent that much money. Maybe I just suck. But all things considered American Supercamp is a steal of a deal ($275/day before the $55 HRCA discount): Keith code's is rather more expensive (according to some also a bit of a prick) and doesn't come with near as much riding time nor good viddles. I don't know about Reg Pridmore yet but CLASS was upwards of $350/day. As to my 4-hour rest period: well almost the first thing on Sat morning I crashed on the TT course and in so doing apparently didn't let go of the handlebar as it whipped to the left (probably dropped forward, too). Some of you know I have a bad right shoulder that's missing cartilege in the front. POP went my shoulder and it was dislocated. They redflagged the session and led my loathsome self off to the pickup truck to lay on a haybale as Danny (ever the expert) proceeded to duct-tape a strap to my arm and from thence hang a jerry-can full of 2-cycle gas. It took longer than he expected but it finally crunched back into place. So I sat out most of the day. But come 3pm I just had to get some time on the bike and while the shoulder was sore I figured I'd risk it. I had a couple more tumbles but no further shoulder misbehavior. In fact, by slowing my ass down so I could think thru what I needed to do, I did rather better I think. Some of the instructors/students when they realized I was back on the track th ught I was incredibly brave: I prefer to think I was just too damn stupid to know when to quit. Throwing around an XR100 makes you realize the Trident 900 I ride into work (like this morning) is an unseemly bloated, heavy, "I'm not about to turn" pig! Ok, so where do I find an XR100 and some dirt? If you take Danny's class tell him the guy who brought the milk and the donuts (from 130 miles away) and managed to dislocate his shoulder, is doing fine, thanks. And I guess if he's in town in July when I'm in CO I'll look him up. I'd like to better know how to tranfer the skills I observed (if not exactly mastered) to the street. I'm not about to try it on my 550lb Trident but maybe on the already banged up Nighthawk. I know a couple of sandy and deserted parking lots. I figure I'll put a cone down and practice the skids and pushing the bike away and down and progressively getting more and more of a slide. I better learn to quit dropping my shoulder or I'm really going to hate smacking tarmac. -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted for impeachment." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 18:08:46 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:08:45 -0500 Subject: Borrow a carb sync if you need to I've got one. -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted for impeachment." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 18:26:19 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:20:37 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Non-moto - Question ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > How many of you out there really care if Metro changes the name of the National Airport metro stop to Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport? All Congress seems to be concerned about lately is that Metro won't do it. I for one think it's stupid. Granted, they did change the name of the airport but, how many idiots out there can't figure out that National Airport is the same as R.R.W.N.A. Long ass name in my opinion. Yes, the man did some great things but honestly, how many buildings, etc. need to be named after him? > > I care. It would cost about $400,000 to change all the signs to satisfy Trent Lott's latest adventure in pud-wanking. I hope Arlington, the org who must request a name change, tells Lott to jam it up his rosy red.... Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 18:36:29 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:38:00 -0400 From: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Non-moto - Question Troutman wrote: > Sounds like a good dccycles2 topic ;-) Lost tourists, wandering around aimlessly, totally oblivious to their surroundings - If tourism material says RRWNA, and the metro signs don't, it's a recipe for yet more pedestrian woes in our area... I'll bet if it were instead named William Jefferson Clinton National airport, the signs would already be changed... > > I'm glad they are naming stuff after Reagan, but I don't see any need to > change the metro stop name. A few others need to be changed first - > like add WCC to the Chinatown stop name. Sometimes (for us non-frequent > metro riders) it is a real PITA to figure out which stop is close to our > destination. MCI center isn't named, and the stop is under the freaking > building. > > At 04:42 PM 4/2/01, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > >> How many of you out there really care if Metro changes the name of the >> National Airport metro stop to Ronald Reagan Washington National >> Airport? All Congress seems to be concerned about lately is that >> Metro won't do it. I for one think it's stupid. Granted, they did >> change the name of the airport but, how many idiots out there can't >> figure out that National Airport is the same as R.R.W.N.A. Long ass >> name in my opinion. Yes, the man did some great things but honestly, >> how many buildings, etc. need to be named after him? > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > "I knew one thing: as soon as anyone said you didn't need a gun, you'd > better take one along that worked." --Robert Mitchum in "Farewell, My > Lovely" -- -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 19:21:49 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:21:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Non-moto - Question Tourist: "Is this the Nat'l airport?" Local: "depends on your definition of 'is'" -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted for conviction." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 22:01:23 2001 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Daylight Savings Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:00:52 -0400 Another Todd working too hard.....I totally sympathize bro' Todd (Springfield) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:29:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Daylight Savings To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- EmergeOut@XXXXXX wrote: > Ladies and Gentleman, Boys and Girls, Don't forget > to set your clock an hour > forward! > Yeah, it sucks. Bad enough working 12.5 hour days. I spend more time at work than at home. Now I got one less hour last night, but the guys I relieved when I came to work, got to work one less hour. :( Todd ===== From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 22:13:28 2001 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 04/01/01 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:12:52 -0400 However! It is the weekend before THE premier rally on the east coast. Anyone interested in riding BIG miles, check out http://www.masondixon20-20.org/, bound to be a blast... All the best t-you Chris on your crazy 50cc racing. I think you and I saw this type of racing together the first time. Reminds me of the PC game "Road-Rash"..heheh. Todd (Springfield) -----Original Message----- From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 11:39 AM To: CBRKittyCat@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 Hell, no! DC-cycles now does EARA as well. (YSR50 racing up in Monrovia, Maryland near Frederick) I will be upholding the DCC racing tradition at that venue. Our first race at Monrovia will be on May 20 (the same day as Bike Night). All list members are welcome to spectate - there is no charge as usual. Chris Weaver EARA #24 P.S. We also race in New York, but I doubt anyone on the list wants to go all the way up there to watch YSR racing. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 22:31:03 2001 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 04/02/01 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:28:20 -0400 I've listened to the "support y'er local.." argument many times but I'm market oriented. Sounds like you are too Mike. Do what makes sense. I know some people will argue, "if you don't support your local...." blah, blah.. Charging the most serrated deal to your customers is NOT good business. Did anyone here take economics at school? For me, $3.40 vs. $3.00 for basically the same oil....Puh-leeze. Or in your case, $138 vs. $187(w/tx). Todd (Springfield) > X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX > Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 15:19:51 -0400 > To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Troutman > Subject: Amazing Price Difference > > Ok - so I am taking everyone's advice and I will replace the RR next week > on my '97 VFR. I cross-posted this to a local list to make a point. > > I called Manassas, VA Honda/Kawi to make the appointment (4-9) and > pre-order the part. They quote $182 for the OEM RR +tax. I think, > "Hmmm...that seems high. I'll call around". > > Called Honda of Milpitas in Cali. $130. $8.50 to get it to Northern > Virginia Thursday (which is really next day shipping since they won't be > back in stock until Wednesday). And Bill was a NICE GUY to talk to. The > guy that works the phones at Manassas grunted at me, and asked me if a 97 > VFR was the same as an RC30. These are the same guys that I trust to > service my bike BTW. > > Why does Manassas Honda believe a 100% markup on parts makes good sense? I > WANT to give the local guy my money, but not if he is going to bend me over > to do it. If I move to Cali, that would make Milpitas local, right? From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 23:40:23 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:40:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tight Squeeze Racing Subject: Injury Fund E-News: April '01 To: IF News March Recap: ------------ -Trackside Racer Supply has pledged 1 set of Pirelli/Metzeler race tires toward the raffle. Please show 'Moose' our appreciation by contacting him at Trackside1@XXXXXX and purchasing a fresh set of race tires from him or his crew. -Fast Lane Cycles(http://www.fastlanecycles.com) has pledged several riding Jackets towards the raffle. Please show Rick your appreciation as well. -Jeannie Dalmas, a MARRC volunteer, donated a copy of "World Superbikes, the first ten years", by Julian Ryder, towards the injury fund raffle. Jeannie is also an independent distributor of Herbalife weight-management and nutritional products. Please visit http://www.fatzapper.com/cmc for more info. -TSR's Jennilynne Guthridge is coordinating a Blood Drive on April 5th(12p-5p), in Chantilly, VA. Anyone donating, will receive 10% off the price of a Raffle Ticket, and a label for their helmet with their Name, Blood Type, and Allergies. At last report, she had 40 slots filled, but has room for a few more. if you would like to donate, please contact her at JLG@XXXXXX. -Tim Steven's Racing (http://www.TSRPerformance.com) held it's grand opening in Cockeysville MD. TSR(us) attended the event, passed out flyers, and discussed the injury fund with the attendees. Despite the ill weather, Tim had a Dyno Shoot-out, door prizes, a music DJ, and free Hot Dogs and hamburgers for the guests. He is planning to reschedule the event for a sunny day sometime soon. -RAM Racewares(http://www.RamMC.net) donated 8 sets of frame savers, and most of them have been purchased. We still have 1 set for an R6, and 2 sets for a pre-2000 GSXR. Each set is $45, and comes with 1 raffle ticket. -The "5 tickets for $100" special is completed, as all 10 allocated purchases have been made. We still have plenty of T-shirts remaining for our "Buy 2 tickets, get a free T-shirt" special. -In 2001, we've collected over $2500 in donations between ticket and donated part sales. 90 Tickets have been sold to date. Thank you to everyone that has participated! http://www.tightsqueezeracing.org/Raffle.htm Web Page Updates ---------------- -Supporters: Anyone that donates to the injury fund is entitled to have their URL link added to our new supporters page. If you have donated, and don't see your link, please send us your desired link and we'll add you. http://www.tightsqueezeracing.org/InjuryFund/Supporters.asp -News: Read the breaking news as it happens from the world of TSR. http://www.TightSqueezeRacing/news.htm -Suzuki Contingency Dates: Suzuki has released their dates for the contingency events, and they have been added to our Electronic Schedule Search. Plan your season or next event. http://www.TightSqueezeRacing/ScheduleSearch.asp. Coming up in April: ------------------- Please look for us at the following events: -CCS: VA Int'l Raceway 4/13-15 -WERA: Summit Point 4/21-22 Look for our race reports shortly after! Suzuki Cup Regions. Since Suzuki Cup events are broken down by region, we will be adding them to our Search application, to make it more convienant for you to see which events will contribute to your end of year grid position. Raffle Supporters ----------------- Thanks to all of these companies for their support, please visit them soon and often! -Aim SportSystems (http://www.aimsports.com/) -Blashfield Sign Companies (http://www.bcsignage.com/) -Fast Lane Cycles (http://www.FastLaneCycles.com/) -Galfer Braking Systems (http://www.galferusa.com/) -GP Tech (http://www.gptechllc.com/) -Hi-Side Racing (http://www.hi-sideracing.com) -Moto Liberty (http://www.silkolenestore.com/) -Performance Machines (http://www.performance-machine.com/) -Plastic Dr. (http://theplasticdr.homestead.com/) -RAM Racewares (http://www.RAMMC.net) -Road Racing World & Motorcycle Technology (http://www.roadracingworld.com) -SharkSkinz (http://www.SharkSkinz.com/) -Sudco Racing USA (http://www.sudco.com/) -Team Valvoline EMGO Suzuki(http://www.TeamHammer.com/) The entire list of companies, their donations, and raffle information can be found at our web site: http://www.tightsqueezeracing.org/Raffle.htm Thank you, Tight Squeeze Racing http://www.tightsqueezeracing.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 00:29:43 2001 From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:29:32 EDT Subject: Motorcylce Auction in VA. April 7th To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_66.d8a6fcb.27faabac_boundary I lost all my info! Someone please refresh my memory, when,where,time, what kind of motorcycles will be at the auction this Saturday? Thanks for your help! --part1_66.d8a6fcb.27faabac_boundary I lost all my info!

Someone please refresh my memory, when,where,time, what kind of motorcycles
will be at the auction this Saturday?  Thanks for your help! --part1_66.d8a6fcb.27faabac_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 07:39:30 2001 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Dccycles2" Subject: Fund Raiser for fellow biker Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 07:38:58 -0400 I hope this is not out of line posting this here. There is another Fund Raiser for Tony Munich. I whole heartedly support this and hope that all who can help will do so. There was a great response when I did this last year and it was greatly appreciated. I am not spearheading this one but will certainly be a contributor. Details are at http://www.fj1100.com. Just click the Tony Munich Fund Raiser link for complete details. Gary Foreman mailto:fj1100@XXXXXX http://www.fj1100.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 07:45:59 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Aaron Ward" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gasoline grade thread again - gasoline brands Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 07:51:12 -0700 by the way i meant to say we use 87 (not 89) in our older sport bikes. my 2000 recommends something above 89 but below 93 i think, so I just use 93. OK Does Gas brand matter? Shell? Exxon? Amaco? Sunoco? Hertz? El cheapo? should high octane be clear or yellowish? Danny expanding my mind From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 09:42:51 2001 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 03:42:12 -0400 Hi folks. I'm in the market for a motorcycle transportation vehicle. It'll be primarily for transporting the YSR and maybe assorted spares back and forth to the races once or twice a month, with some occasional use for larger sportbikes. I need something CHEAP and at least reasonably reliable. Cosmetics and high mileage are not much of an issue. I'm looking to get either a pickup truck, utility van, or a trailer. I imagine a small, single-rail trailer would be the cheapest solution, but I haven't found any suitable ones yet. If I can find a cheap pickup or van I'd prefer to do that, assuming the cost isn't prohibitive. I'm hoping to pick something up for $1000 or less if it's a truck or van or $400 or less if it's a trailer. So if anyone has a vehicle or trailer that you think might work, let me know! Chris Weaver EARA #24 VTR, YSR, dccycles.com P.S. Altaan, I know you said you had a truck for $2k, but I'm hoping to get something cheaper. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 09:56:01 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 06:55:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Daylight Savings To: Todd Peer , AA DC Cycles Don't all Todd's work hard? I thought it was a requirement. :) Todd W. --- Todd Peer wrote: > Another Todd working too hard.....I totally > sympathize bro' > > Todd (Springfield) > > Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:29:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: Todd Withrow > Subject: Re: Daylight Savings > To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > --- EmergeOut@XXXXXX wrote: > > Ladies and Gentleman, Boys and Girls, Don't forget > > to set your clock an hour > > forward! > > > > Yeah, it sucks. Bad enough working 12.5 hour days. I > spend more time at work than at home. Now I got one > less hour last night, but the guys I relieved when I > came to work, got to work one less hour. :( > > Todd > > ===== > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 10:16:22 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:14:57 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Chris, I just bought a trailer kit from this outfit for my CRV. http://www.scandipacific.com/ It was a 1 day project assembling this thing, with a few trips to the hardware store for drill bits, new power drills etc. I bought the single rail MC trailer with the wider 8inch rails. It was $ 350.00 including shipping You will need a wiring harness and a trailer hitch for your Accord? about $ 150.00 more or less, and usually requires drilling. luckily my CRV has a trailer plug built in the existing harness ( no splicing, got to love Honda's), There is a web site that has all the info on what hitch kit and harness necessary, is bookmarked is on my home pc I will send you a link this evening. So far I am happy with the trailer, other that the titling crap with the MD DMV ($ 120 in tag, title and inspection fees) Cheers, George Cole George M Cole Technology Consultant www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 1-888-240-3154 >>> "Christopher Weaver" 04/03/01 03:42AM >>> Hi folks. I'm in the market for a motorcycle transportation vehicle. It'll be primarily for transporting the YSR and maybe assorted spares back and forth to the races once or twice a month, with some occasional use for larger sportbikes. I need something CHEAP and at least reasonably reliable. Cosmetics and high mileage are not much of an issue. I'm looking to get either a pickup truck, utility van, or a trailer. I imagine a small, single-rail trailer would be the cheapest solution, but I haven't found any suitable ones yet. If I can find a cheap pickup or van I'd prefer to do that, assuming the cost isn't prohibitive. I'm hoping to pick something up for $1000 or less if it's a truck or van or $400 or less if it's a trailer. So if anyone has a vehicle or trailer that you think might work, let me know! Chris Weaver EARA #24 VTR, YSR, dccycles.com P.S. Altaan, I know you said you had a truck for $2k, but I'm hoping to get something cheaper. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 10:22:33 2001 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "George Cole" , Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 04:21:54 -0400 George, Thanks for the info. I know about hitch-web.com and I already have a receiver hitch installed on my Acura Integra - didn't require any drilling, btw. I still need a wiring harness though - how difficult is that to install? I'll check out the website you listed - that price is pretty good. Thanks, Chris -----Original Message----- From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:15 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; chris.weaver@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Chris, I just bought a trailer kit from this outfit for my CRV. http://www.scandipacific.com/ It was a 1 day project assembling this thing, with a few trips to the hardware store for drill bits, new power drills etc. I bought the single rail MC trailer with the wider 8inch rails. It was $ 350.00 including shipping You will need a wiring harness and a trailer hitch for your Accord? about $ 150.00 more or less, and usually requires drilling. luckily my CRV has a trailer plug built in the existing harness ( no splicing, got to love Honda's), There is a web site that has all the info on what hitch kit and harness necessary, is bookmarked is on my home pc I will send you a link this evening. So far I am happy with the trailer, other that the titling crap with the MD DMV ($ 120 in tag, title and inspection fees) Cheers, George Cole From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 10:30:28 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:29:08 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: Backprotectors? Hi All, Does anyone have any feedback and or opinions on back/spine protectors? Since I am going to do a few track days this year I want to get something better than the pad in my Fieldshieer jacket. I am looking to something that is comfortable under my leathers and wearable on long street rides as well. The prices on these things are from $ 45.00 to $ 200.00 and up. Thanx for any info. George Cole From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 10:45:58 2001 From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'Christopher Weaver'" , George Cole , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:41:07 -0400 You might also try this website: http://www.harborfreight.com/ Do a keyword search on "trailer" and several different options appear. I've heard decent reviews from some of the slipstream guys that have owned the utility trailers used for hauling bikes. Would definitely recommend getting a utility/flatbed vs. rail trailer so that you can put other stuff on it. Integra's aren't sold for their excessive hauling capacity. Regarding wiring - I had it installed in my Solara by Capital Camper supply in Merrifield VA (right up the road from Grevey's). The $27.50 was money well spent vs. the hassle. I also installed my own hitch w/ just bolts. Capital has various trailers in stock as well, but are overpriced. I liked the 5x8 utility trailers on that place on 29 just south of 66 toward Gainesville. Nice easy-load ramp & everything for reasonable prices. -fellow VTR -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Weaver [mailto:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 4:22 AM To: George Cole; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport George, Thanks for the info. I know about hitch-web.com and I already have a receiver hitch installed on my Acura Integra - didn't require any drilling, btw. I still need a wiring harness though - how difficult is that to install? I'll check out the website you listed - that price is pretty good. Thanks, Chris -----Original Message----- From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:15 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; chris.weaver@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Chris, I just bought a trailer kit from this outfit for my CRV. http://www.scandipacific.com/ It was a 1 day project assembling this thing, with a few trips to the hardware store for drill bits, new power drills etc. I bought the single rail MC trailer with the wider 8inch rails. It was $ 350.00 including shipping You will need a wiring harness and a trailer hitch for your Accord? about $ 150.00 more or less, and usually requires drilling. luckily my CRV has a trailer plug built in the existing harness ( no splicing, got to love Honda's), There is a web site that has all the info on what hitch kit and harness necessary, is bookmarked is on my home pc I will send you a link this evening. So far I am happy with the trailer, other that the titling crap with the MD DMV ($ 120 in tag, title and inspection fees) Cheers, George Cole From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 11:01:53 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:01:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport To: George Cole , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, chris.weaver@XXXXXX Thanks for this link, these guys have great prices. I need some rails for my older 1972 trailer that was made when tires were real skinny. I've been looking for quite some time for some but most place want to bend you over the coals for rails. Glenn --- George Cole wrote: > Chris, > > I just bought a trailer kit from this outfit for my > CRV. > > http://www.scandipacific.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 11:03:19 2001 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "George Cole" , Subject: RE: Backprotectors? Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 05:02:36 -0400 I have the seven-plate Teknic back protector. It's pretty good I guess. ::shrug:: I haven't taken a spill with it, so who knows. Seems pretty beefy. I got it as a gift, but I think it's somewhere between $50-100. Chris -----Original Message----- From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:29 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Backprotectors? Hi All, Does anyone have any feedback and or opinions on back/spine protectors? Since I am going to do a few track days this year I want to get something better than the pad in my Fieldshieer jacket. I am looking to something that is comfortable under my leathers and wearable on long street rides as well. The prices on these things are from $ 45.00 to $ 200.00 and up. Thanx for any info. George Cole From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 11:44:43 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:44:25 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: George Cole Subject: Re: Backprotectors? George, I have a Fieldsheer 7-plate backprotector, probably pretty similar to Chris Weaver's Teknic. I got mine from http://www.newenough.com for something like $70 or so. Was wearing it when I lowsided at CSS@VIR. Wasn't wearing it when I hit the deer. From what I can tell it's a quality back protector at a reasonable price. To get a substantially "better" back protector, I think you have to ante up for the Knox, which I think is top notch (but just wasn't in my budget). Chuck George Cole wrote: > > Hi All, > > Does anyone have any feedback and or opinions on back/spine protectors? > > Since I am going to do a few track days this year I want to get something better than the pad in my Fieldshieer jacket. > > I am looking to something that is comfortable under my leathers and wearable on long street rides as well. > > The prices on these things are from $ 45.00 to $ 200.00 and up. > > Thanx for any info. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 12:16:55 2001 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 06:16:12 -0400 For the edification of other listers: I contacted ScandiPacific about their $245 one-rail moto trailer. They said if I want to use the trailer for my VTR, I'll have to upgrade to the wider rail at an additional cost of $30, plus $88 shipping to Virginia. That comes to $363, which now seems significantly more pricy than I was hoping. Harbor Freight has a foldable trailer, but it doesn't come with the rail. I could order just a rail from ScandiPacific for $50, plus the trailer for about $220. Assuming shipping is a similar cost, I'm looking at $358 for this option which ain't much better (and I might have problems fitting the rail). I'll keep these options in mind - they may be the cheapest option out there, unless I can find something local which I won't have to ship. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR, dccycles.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 12:29:07 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:29:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "E. Rittershausen" Subject: Re: Gasonline grade threatd again To: DC Cycles Oh no, not the gas thread. Octane is a measure of a fuel's resistance to detonation. In a given situation where 87 causes detonation, 89 MIGHT not. depends on how bad the conditions are. In some engines with sophisticated engine management controls, higher octane will make a difference, as the system will automatically advance engine timing until detonation, then retard slightly. Here, higher octane will make a difference, and give better performance. On most engines, you're not going to see a difference. Todd --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Is it that time of year for gasoline grade again? > > if I recall correctly... 93 octane doesn't have more power (btu's) > than 89 octane.. however at high rpm the gas detonates smoother > and more consistently. > > I use 89 in my 95 kawasaki and my friend has used it in his honda > F2... He says he's going to start using 93 octane... I'm > thinking.. with a 20 cents difference per gallon, with every fill > up, > he's throwing away a buck.. that's how i see it. what do you think? > > Danny ===== Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 12:32:50 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:31:26 -0400 From: "Scott Luttrell" To: "DC Cycle mailing list" Subject: Re: Motorcylce Auction in VA. April 7th Not sure about what else will be auction on the 7th but we'll be there to auction off a 1992 Honda RS125. There is two auctions that day, the first is at the old Colemen Powersports (forgot whats its new name is) in Falls Church at 1pm (viewing as early as 9am) the second is at the other Colemen Powersports in Woodbridge at 5pm. Call the shop for more details, I got their # from 411 its still listed as Colemens. Later Scott ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:29:32 EDT >I lost all my info! > >Someone please refresh my memory, when,where,time, what kind of motorcycles >will be at the auction this Saturday? Thanks for your help! > > -- Scott Luttrell Fast & Wily Racing www.fastandwily.com -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 12:38:37 2001 From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'Christopher Weaver'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:33:48 -0400 $363 & $358 are both less than $400... Anyway, forget the rail. Get a flatbed with a pop chock. If the bed is at least 5' wide, you could get multiple pop chocks and arrange them as needed to haul one bike in the middle or two side by side. Other than that try the classifieds for something used. -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Weaver [mailto:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 6:16 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport For the edification of other listers: I contacted ScandiPacific about their $245 one-rail moto trailer. They said if I want to use the trailer for my VTR, I'll have to upgrade to the wider rail at an additional cost of $30, plus $88 shipping to Virginia. That comes to $363, which now seems significantly more pricy than I was hoping. Harbor Freight has a foldable trailer, but it doesn't come with the rail. I could order just a rail from ScandiPacific for $50, plus the trailer for about $220. Assuming shipping is a similar cost, I'm looking at $358 for this option which ain't much better (and I might have problems fitting the rail). I'll keep these options in mind - they may be the cheapest option out there, unless I can find something local which I won't have to ship. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR, dccycles.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 13:25:23 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:25:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport To: Christopher Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Chris, $363 is a damn good price. Call any of the local bike shops, even some of the trailer shops around here and you be hard pressed to find a trailer this cheap. Also, I e-mailed them too and there trailers (or at least the rails which I was curious about) are 14 gauge steel. Glenn --- Christopher Weaver wrote: > For the edification of other listers: > > I contacted ScandiPacific about their $245 one-rail > moto trailer. They said > if I want to use the trailer for my VTR, I'll have > to upgrade to the wider > rail at an additional cost of $30, plus $88 shipping > to Virginia. That comes > to $363, which now seems significantly more pricy > than I was hoping. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 13:29:02 2001 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Glenn Dysart" , Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 07:28:21 -0400 You guys are right. It just started to add up with the extra costs, so after seeing the initial (great) price, I was disappointed that the final price was over $100 more. $363 is pretty good and I'll probably go with that. Cheers, Chris -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:25 PM To: Christopher Weaver; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Chris, $363 is a damn good price. Call any of the local bike shops, even some of the trailer shops around here and you be hard pressed to find a trailer this cheap. Also, I e-mailed them too and there trailers (or at least the rails which I was curious about) are 14 gauge steel. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 14:14:59 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:01:11 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , , Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Just remember tag, title fees etc. Va may not require an inspection but MD did. >>> "Christopher Weaver" 04/03/01 07:28AM >>> You guys are right. It just started to add up with the extra costs, so after seeing the initial (great) price, I was disappointed that the final price was over $100 more. $363 is pretty good and I'll probably go with that. Cheers, Chris -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:25 PM To: Christopher Weaver; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Chris, $363 is a damn good price. Call any of the local bike shops, even some of the trailer shops around here and you be hard pressed to find a trailer this cheap. Also, I e-mailed them too and there trailers (or at least the rails which I was curious about) are 14 gauge steel. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 14:14:58 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 12:59:54 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , , Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Anyone ,is welcome to check out my trailer if you wish to see it up close and built. Its the $ 363.00 model. Hell, I might be lazy this year and tow my bike out the twisties, to avoid the slab ride on the way home, and unnecessary wear on the middle of the tyres. George >>> Glenn Dysart 04/03/01 01:25PM >>> Chris, $363 is a damn good price. Call any of the local bike shops, even some of the trailer shops around here and you be hard pressed to find a trailer this cheap. Also, I e-mailed them too and there trailers (or at least the rails which I was curious about) are 14 gauge steel. Glenn --- Christopher Weaver wrote: > For the edification of other listers: > > I contacted ScandiPacific about their $245 one-rail > moto trailer. They said > if I want to use the trailer for my VTR, I'll have > to upgrade to the wider > rail at an additional cost of $30, plus $88 shipping > to Virginia. That comes > to $363, which now seems significantly more pricy > than I was hoping. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 14:27:38 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:24:20 -0400 From: "Judy La Follette" To: , , , Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Chris, you might look into the permanent trailer tags as well. If you plan on keeping the trailer for at least two to three years, it is worth it. I believe the permanent tags cost me around $50 (in Virginia). >>> "George Cole" 04/03/01 02:01PM >>> Just remember tag, title fees etc. Va may not require an inspection but MD did. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 15:00:52 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:00:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport To: George Cole , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, chris.weaver@XXXXXX I think I remember that trailers under 1 ton (load) capacity don't require inspection. Glenn --- George Cole wrote: > Just remember tag, title fees etc. > > Va may not require an inspection but MD did. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 15:10:37 2001 From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Moto- transport vehicles Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:10:30

If any one needs trucks to transport bikes I have quite a few. Here they are:

1998 GMC 15' cube vans with trailer hitch approx. $16,000

1997 GMC 10' cube vans with trailer hitch approx.  $11,500

1998 Ford E-250 Extended vans tilt/cruise, captain chairs, approx. $12,000

1998 GMC 2500 Extended vans  approx. $12,000

All are automatic, a/c , very good condition , mileage varies

If you are interested you can e-mail me or call (877)535-3200 x 21

Thanks,

Dan Kenney

1997 Suzuki TL1000s RED

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From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 15:26:21 2001 From: Cedric Bernescut To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" , "CBR List (E-mail)" Subject: positive article Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:26:22 -0400 I was thumbing through the Post this morning when I came across this little blurb in the Health section. I figured with all the negative press that usually fills articles on riding, this comes as a pleasant surprise. http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29473-2001Apr2.html Cedric Bernescut Network Administrator Best file compression around: "DEL *.*"= 100% compression From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 15:46:09 2001 From: "Rob Keiser" To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: positive article Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 15:46:02 -0400 Amazing how being in the wind can give one a breath of fresh air. Thanks for sharing that. Good for her! Rob '98 VFR800 PS. All 500cc Suzuki's should look that, um Bavarian! ;) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 16:43:51 2001 From: "Danny Thompson" To: , "Suzuki SV 650" , Subject: '00 SV & '00 EX 500 for sale Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:41:45 -0400 Just a reminder, I have the afore mentioned bikes for sale. I need to sell them, need money for racing. Pictures and info can be seen at www.onewayracing.org. Located in Northern VA. Danny '98 VTR '00 SV (For Sale) '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 17:47:13 2001 From: Cedric Bernescut To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Amazing Price Difference Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:46:59 -0400 In case you hadn't come across this site yet, it illustrates attaching a heatsink to the RR. Cedric http://www.one-ring.net/vfrfaq/reg-rect.html I've heard of folks rigging up heat sinks and small fans onto their Reg/Recs in an effort to keep the heat down, but I don't recall whether these were effective or not. Chris Weaver '98 VTR (no RR problems so far), YSR, dccycles.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 20:46:48 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:48:11 -0400 From: Dave Yates To: Ninja List CC: SCOA List , SVT Cobra Mustang Club , SVT Mailing List , DCC Subject: new rant A little late, but well worth it... No whining, complaining rant, but more like crowing - finally, one for the UnderDog... The topic of this rant - successfully dealing with bullies (like the DMV). Only remotely on topic, some material not suited for younger viewers. Mild profanity, adult situations, etc, etc. For entertainment purposes only. http://www.radix.net/~sdave/Rantings.html#bullies Enjoy ! -- -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 21:10:10 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:57:07 -0400 To: From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: interesting article on TWO campground The Lane Ranger: TWO the one resort for bikers http://www.accessatlanta.com/partners/ajc/epaper/editions/sunday/local_news_ a36cdd71726861e50096.html M-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8 J. Andrew Culpepper King George, VA (540) 775-3984 '90 EX500 S-TRA# 100 MGNOC# 15488 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 21:10:57 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:10:51 -0400 To: From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Backprotectors? I tried on the Kobe and Wintex protectors while at Daytona. They looked identical but the Kobe comes in a 6 and 7 panel, the Wintex only in 6. I think the Kobe is made in Japan. The Wintex is made in Austria. I ended up ordering the Wintex when I got home at the show price of $60. You might get that price too if you ask. You can get the Kobe from the importer at http://www.1888fastlap.com/ You can get the Wintex from http://www.moto-heaven.com/ They don't provide the coverage of the Knox or Bohn, but it's sure is a lot better than the pad that came with my Fieldsheer jacket. M-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8 J. Andrew Culpepper King George, VA (540) 775-3984 '90 EX500 S-TRA# 100 MGNOC# 15488 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 21:57:31 2001 Date: 3 Apr 2001 18:57:24 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Subject: Supercamp-read if you need a laugh As matthew said earlier this week, Roach and I took supercamp this past sunday and monday...well, sort of. When Roach signed us up, the owner thought that I'd be fine in the "racers only" class of supercamp...turns out that wasn't totally correct. I've never ridden a dirt bike before, but figured this would be a fun class, so I decided to give it a shot. I was the only girl in there with 25 or so guys... since I had never ridden a dirt bike, this guy scooter said that he likes to take people out with him the first time. So basically, here was me and this 6' tall dude riding an XR100 together...he had me put my hands and feet on top of his so I could get the feel of how it was done...it was pretty cool. We rode around for a while, then it was my turn. I jumped on my little XR80, hit the first turn, and instead of rear brake and no throttle, it was no brake and all throttle, needless to say the bike spun out from under me and on the ground I went. bruised knee, bruised hip, bruised elbow and bruised ego. whoa... then they took me off to the side for some one on one instruction. this turned out to be great since it was just me with an instructor. they were really helpful and very encouraging. they told me they'd stay out there with me all day if I wanted to. anyways, long story short...I gave up. It was a tough decision because I knew if I kept at it longer, I could have gotten it...but what it came down to was that the racer group had their shit together. they were very aggressive and good at this, and I wasn't... But, I won't give up. Danny told me that I definitely had the aggression, but that the "non-racer" school would be better for someone who has never ridden a dirt bike. He said he'd give me a full refund, or sign me up for the november class. and that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to take the November non-racer class, so if any of you want to take it with me, I'd be very happy to have someone along for the ride. I will give the class five stars. the instructors were incredibly encouraging and I know it will be a lot of fun when I take it next time!!!! LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 22:12:57 2001 From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Handheld ban progress Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:24:50 -0400 Spring brings the flowers -- here's a bloomer. 20 c.i. in the NYTimes today: "New York Gets Closer to Ban on Driving With a Hand on the Phone. ... likely that New York will be among the first states in the country to adopt such a ban. ...." An online version at http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/03/nyregion/03PHON.html Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Of course! It's impossible to bite a big apple while driving and phoning. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 22:33:25 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:33:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzookus Maximus Subject: Time Table for April 21-22 @ Summit To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was wondering if anyone knew the hour by hour schedule for the WERA event at Summit Point on 4/21 & 4/22. -jeff ===== ->bike: '00 GSX-R750 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 23:04:26 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:03:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Time Table for April 21-22 @ Summit It's not posted yet, but look for it at http://www.wera.com Andrew '90 EX500 At 10:33 PM 4/3/01 , Suzookus Maximus wrote: >I was wondering if anyone knew the hour by hour >schedule for the WERA event at Summit Point on 4/21 & >4/22. > >-jeff > >===== >->bike: '00 GSX-R750 >->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX >->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 23:35:45 2001 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Time Table for April 21-22 @ Summit Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:38:28 -0400 Just an FYI, there really isn't an "hour by hour" schedule. Practice is from 8am till 11am, then lunch, then racing at noon until 5pm. (This is on both days) The additional info posted on the website will be the order of the races, but you'd have to guestimate as to when each would start - that varies depending on weather, red flags, ambulance issues, pauxatany phil, etc. - Roach On Tue, 03 Apr 2001, Andrew Culpepper wrote: > It's not posted yet, but look for it at http://www.wera.com > > Andrew > '90 EX500 > > At 10:33 PM 4/3/01 , Suzookus Maximus wrote: > >I was wondering if anyone knew the hour by hour > >schedule for the WERA event at Summit Point on 4/21 & > >4/22. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 23:45:34 2001 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Supercamp-read if you need a laugh Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:48:23 -0400 I had a great time :) I was T-boned a couple times, run over once, high-sided myself, low-sided myself... all and all a rousing good time. I also got to slide through a corner next to the AMA National dirt track champion Chris Carr, banging bars on the exit and down the little front stretch... THAT, I do believe, is priceless! OF course, he was shouting at me and goading me on the whole time... but I'll take what I can get ;) It's unlikely that much of it applies to modern roadracing... (Danny may not believe it, but "backing it in" has little use in modern roadracing due to chassis and tire technology advances) but I did learn how to dirt/flat track, which is kinda cool. The one thing that *does* apply is throttle control - I can see where lots of practice sliding dirtbikes could really help with that. And, of course, anytime you can spend two days riding a motorcycle continuously is good riding experience no matter what you're doing. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 09:28:33 2001 X-igwMailID: f34DOea56882.U04 X-Lotus-FromDomain: DSC From: ddiefend@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 09:21:20 -0400 Subject: cheap trailers... Home Depot sells a 4x8 ft folding trailer for $212.00 add a 3/4" pressure treated plywood, and a rail and you are all set for about $300.00. Will hauls lots of other stuff too. Mine, I widened to 7 ft wide and haul 2 bikes and the monthly dump run! Still have less than $500 in it. Dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 09:54:48 2001 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , Subject: RE: cheap trailers... Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 03:54:09 -0400 Thanks, Dave. I went ahead and ordered the single-rail trailer from ScandiPacific. It seems like a pretty reasonable price. They said I can add plywood to it later to form a flatbed which I'll use for spares, gas cans, etc. while hauling my racebike. (It stills seems wierd calling it a racebike, as it's only 50cc, but I'll get over the inferiority complex eventually :^) I'm already starting to think about 125 or 250 gp bikes and I haven't even started my first race!) Chris Weaver EARA #24 VTR, YSR, dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: ddiefend@XXXXXX [mailto:ddiefend@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:21 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: cheap trailers... Home Depot sells a 4x8 ft folding trailer for $212.00 add a 3/4" pressure treated plywood, and a rail and you are all set for about $300.00. Will hauls lots of other stuff too. Mine, I widened to 7 ft wide and haul 2 bikes and the monthly dump run! Still have less than $500 in it. Dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 10:07:27 2001 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 07:07:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: interesting article on TWO campground To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That's too cool for school. We need one around here. Matt --- Andrew Culpepper wrote: > The Lane Ranger: TWO the one resort for bikers > > > http://www.accessatlanta.com/partners/ajc/epaper/editions/sunday/local_news_ > > a36cdd71726861e50096.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 10:47:21 2001 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 07:46:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: interesting article on TWO campground To: Matthew Rosenstock , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > That's too cool for school. We need one around here. > > Matt Depending on what you mean by "around here" (i.e. what distance) there is Rustling Leaves Motorcycle Resort near Buena Vista, VA. They are currently planning on opening up this fall. http://www.rustlingleaves.com/ Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 12:28:05 2001 From: "Altaan Choudhry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Suzuki TL1000S Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 12:27:58 -0400 Hey Everybody Anybody on this list owns a Suzuki TL1000S or R ? Regards Altaan Choudhry 9D7 TLS _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 12:40:58 2001 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 11:41:14 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Suzuki TL1000S I own apprx 1.7 '98 TL1000R's. S At 12:27 PM 4/4/01 -0400, Altaan Choudhry wrote: >Hey Everybody > >Anybody on this list owns a Suzuki TL1000S or R ? > >Regards > >Altaan Choudhry >9D7 TLS >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 12:51:30 2001 From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'Christopher Weaver'" , ddiefend@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cheap trailers... Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:46:24 -0400 One other thought on cost: Don't forget you need to buy straps if you don't already have them. Home Depot has lots, and much cheaper than through moto-mags. You might also want a spare for the trailer. -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Weaver [mailto:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 3:54 AM To: ddiefend@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cheap trailers... Thanks, Dave. I went ahead and ordered the single-rail trailer from ScandiPacific. It seems like a pretty reasonable price. They said I can add plywood to it later to form a flatbed which I'll use for spares, gas cans, etc. while hauling my racebike. (It stills seems wierd calling it a racebike, as it's only 50cc, but I'll get over the inferiority complex eventually :^) I'm already starting to think about 125 or 250 gp bikes and I haven't even started my first race!) Chris Weaver EARA #24 VTR, YSR, dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: ddiefend@XXXXXX [mailto:ddiefend@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:21 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: cheap trailers... Home Depot sells a 4x8 ft folding trailer for $212.00 add a 3/4" pressure treated plywood, and a rail and you are all set for about $300.00. Will hauls lots of other stuff too. Mine, I widened to 7 ft wide and haul 2 bikes and the monthly dump run! Still have less than $500 in it. Dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 14:22:48 2001 From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Backprotectors? Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:23:21 -0400 I have a Dainese gilet that's converts me from unprotected rider to Middle-aged Moto Ninja Turtle with a single zipper. Mr. Crash Happy Peoples Republic of Alexandria MRF 1012503, AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" > -----Original Message-----From: "George Cole"----- > > Hi All, > > Does anyone have any feedback and or opinions on back/spine > protectors? From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 14:48:45 2001 X-Server-Uuid: 3c44c092-e9c9-445a-86b1-536a7b104ca9 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:25:58 -0400 From: "Navarro, Edmond" Subject: Bike for sale '95 YZF-600R To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" X-WSS-ID: 16D5B8C72220632-01-01 > 1995 YZF-600R Blue/Purple. Bike is in great condition, with 11K miles. > New tires (Dunlop Sportmax ZR 17), Oakley tinted windshield, stock pipe. > Price is $3800. If interested call Eddy @ 240-372-0543. From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 15:28:36 2001 From: Cedric Bernescut To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Back protectors? Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:28:30 -0400 Is that the Dianese unit that's a back protector and body armor in one? I saw it at Fast Lane Cycles and it looked top notch, but at $337.00 it's way out of the budget. Still, with my First Gear Scout jacket having no armor at all, I need to get something. Cedric Bernescut Network Administrator Best file compression around: "DEL *.*"= 100% compression I have a Dainese gilet that's converts me from unprotected rider to Middle-aged Moto Ninja Turtle with a single zipper. Mr. Crash Happy Peoples Republic of Alexandria MRF 1012503, AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" > -----Original Message-----From: "George Cole"----- > > Hi All, > > Does anyone have any feedback and or opinions on back/spine > protectors? From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 15:39:33 2001 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 15:39:14 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Back protectors? To: Cc: Actually, I think he's talking about a different model. If you go to www.motorace.com and go to the Safety section under Dainese, you'll find the Gilet backprotector. I think you're talking about the S Jacket protectors. The Gilets run about $200. I'm actually thinking about buying one since all this talk started. :-) Scooter In a message dated Wed, 4 Apr 2001 3:31:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Cedric Bernescut writes: << Is that the Dianese unit that's a back protector and body armor in one? I saw it at Fast Lane Cycles and it looked top notch, but at $337.00 it's way out of the budget. Still, with my First Gear Scout jacket having no armor at all, I need to get something. Cedric Bernescut Network Administrator Best file compression around: "DEL *.*"= 100% compression I have a Dainese gilet that's converts me from unprotected rider to Middle-aged Moto Ninja Turtle with a single zipper. Mr. Crash Happy Peoples Republic of Alexandria MRF 1012503, AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" > -----Original Message-----From: "George Cole"----- > > Hi All, > > Does anyone have any feedback and or opinions on back/spine > protectors? >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 20:22:28 2001 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: Dave Yates Rantz Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:21:52 -0400 Dave Yates writes: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- A little late, but well worth it... No whining, complaining rant, but more like crowing - finally, one for the UnderDog... The topic of this rant - successfully dealing with bullies (like the DMV). Only remotely on topic, some material not suited for younger viewers. Mild profanity, adult situations, etc, etc. For entertainment purposes only. http://www.radix.net/~sdave/Rantings.html#bullies ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Good for you Dave. Not sure exactly what the trickle down will be to the functionary that set you in motion, but I get the idea you enjoyed yourself in any case. God hates gubmn't too. Feel rightous! Todd (Springfield) From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 20:40:59 2001 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:42:33 -0400 From: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dave Yates Rantz Todd Peer congratulated: > > Good for you Dave. Not sure exactly what the trickle down will be to the > functionary that set you in motion, but I get the idea you enjoyed yourself > in any case. Thanks, Todd... I can only hope for a little wrist slap from the commisioner's office. As I understand, my state delegate and senator have already been in touch concerning this - as I put it - "rude, crude, crass & uncouth behavior"... > > God hates gubmn't too. As well he should :-) > Feel rightous! Neighbors must think I'm nuts - 'hey Mable... what the hell's he doin?' 'Looks like the jitterbug to me, Clem'... Felt pretty good puttin' them stickers on the plates... -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 20:45:24 2001 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:47:03 -0400 From: Dave Yates To: DCC , Ninja List Subject: RIP Die Hard. It would seem that the Empire has succeeded in disabling the Hyper drive on the Millenium Falcon. My die hard of 2.8 years (give or take) has expired, battery tender be damned.. TOWMBO will be picking one up for me tommorrow. I knew it was going out, I just hoped to be able to ride to a shop to get one... Yard & housework be damned, I will get some saddle time this weekend -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 'Acceleratus Maximus' MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 21:48:52 2001 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:48:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brian Summers Subject: For Sale - 94' VFR750F 1994 Honda VFR750F - Red, Two Brothers Carbon Fiber Slip-on, Dynojet jet kit, K&N filter, Corbin seat, stainless brake lines. Excellent condition, all service records, never dropped, needs nothing, original owner. Comes with matching, soft saddle bags, Solo Cowl, two service manuals. $5450/obo Northern VA Area. Email Brian at racrbri@XXXXXX or call 703-801-4533. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 08:01:03 2001 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 05:00:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Backprotectors? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just another FYI on back protectors. I had quite a lengthy conversation with one of the Motoport guys at the Philly show this year. His words were "don't waste extra money on the Hard Plastic or Kevlar finish on back protectors as they don't do anything extra to protect you". He said the same for the gloves that are made that way... said he only sells them because people ask for them. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 08:10:01 2001 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Dc-Cycles" , "Dccycles2" Subject: Powder Coating in area? Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:09:24 -0400 Is there anyone in the area good at powder coating? I have a set of wheels I want to get black powder coated. I want someone who will do all from prep to finish. The wheels are white now, and I will have all hardware removed. Any guess on cost? I want a quality job. Gary Foreman (TL Owners Club) mailto:gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 08:28:39 2001 From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: Dc-Cycles , Dccycles2 Subject: Wrenches with EGA? Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:27:44 -0400 Looking around for a decent shop in this area that has an Exhaust Gas Analyzer and trained EGA tech who can "fine tune" a jet kit I installed myself. Any suggestions? From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 08:36:57 2001 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 07:37:13 -0700 To: "Myles, Gregory S." , Dc-Cycles , Dccycles2 From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Wrenches with EGA? My sponsor, Cycle Accessory Discounters, has the standard dynojet exhaust analyzer set up with their dyno. They are in Gaithersburg, MD 301 977-7188. Ask for Dave. Tell him I sent you. S At 08:27 AM 4/5/01 -0400, Myles, Gregory S. wrote: > >Looking around for a decent shop in this area that has an Exhaust Gas >Analyzer and trained EGA tech who can "fine tune" a jet kit I installed >myself. Any suggestions? > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 08:51:58 2001 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:51:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "lisa@XXXXXX" To: dccycles Subject: Nighthawk with Broken shift lever Hey guy with the broken shift lever on a red nighthawk, are you on this list? Did you make it to your destination OK? Lisa '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 08:59:17 2001 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 08:58:21 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Backprotectors? In terms of actual impact protection, he's probably right. It's the crushable foam that actually provides the real protection/cushion from impact. So in that sense, the "hard stuff" is extraneous. But hard plastic/carbon/kevlar does wonders for providing mega abrasion resistance. And I suppose it provides another layer of impact protection. Hey, plus it looks cool! %^) Chuck Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Just another FYI on back protectors. I had quite a > lengthy conversation with one of the Motoport guys at > the Philly show this year. His words were "don't > waste extra money on the Hard Plastic or Kevlar finish > on back protectors as they don't do anything extra to > protect you". He said the same for the gloves that > are made that way... said he only sells them because > people ask for them. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 09:06:55 2001 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 06:06:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Powder Coating in area? To: dccycles2@XXXXXX, Dc-Cycles Didn't Daniel say that the place he works now does this sort of thing? Danny, what about it? Chris Weaver VTR, YSR, dccycles.com --- Gary Foreman wrote: > Is there anyone in the area good at powder coating? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 09:38:49 2001 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: "ManBike" for sale on Classifieds2000 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:38:41 -0400 I just saw this ad for a Kawasaki "ManBike" The description is pretty funny... http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C18+A0+R198715+Q353394957 Perry _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 10:03:36 2001 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Backprotectors? Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:00:58 -0400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 Glenn wrote: His words were "don't waste extra money on the Hard Plastic or Kevlar finish on back protectors as they don't do anything extra to protect you". He said the same for the gloves that are made that way You may want to talk to Jeff Ozeman. I'm sure he'd disagree, especially about the gloves. After seeing his gloves after a crash at Summit, I believe he'd have some serious hand damage wo the carbon/kevlar knuckle protection. His hand must have gotten stuck under some piece of the bike knuckles down. He came out unscathed, but needed a new set of $200 gloves (money well spent). Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 10:11:14 2001 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:11:11 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: "ManBike" for sale on Classifieds2000 ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Perry Coleman" >I just saw this ad for a Kawasaki "ManBike" >The description is pretty funny... >http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C18+A0+R198715+Q353394957 > Ha ha! Pretty good. However, I think the translation is "this bike is ragged-out". Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 10:11:47 2001 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 10:09:49 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Backprotectors? To: the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Chuck Pena wrote: > > So in that sense, the "hard stuff" is extraneous. But hard > plastic/carbon/kevlar does wonders for providing mega abrasion > resistance. I thought the real problem with "hard stuff" in back protectors and other pads it that it promotes wear-through and tearing of the suit (leather or cordura) in a long slide? I've also heard that while Kevlar is great against tearing or piercing, it sux for abrasion, and really doesn't belong in motorcycle gear. Tell that to the marketing drones, though. These are the same folks who thought putting Teflon in motor oil was a good idea... Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 12:19:35 2001 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:19:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Powder Coating in area? I got my wheels done at American Stripping in Manassas. I don't have anything to compare it too but I'm pleased with the results. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 12:24:07 2001 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:24:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Good thing he didn't own a bike! (fwd) Forwarded from VFR list. BLIND DRUNK DRIVER IS FINED By BRANDON MALINSKY http://www.the-sun.co.uk/news/13560102 A MAN who is totally blind has been fined for DRIVING while three times over the drink limit. The 33-year-old masseur pulled slowly out of a parking bay in front of a blind school and started to drive along the road. He was seen moving the car forward inches at a time, then getting out and feeling around in front of the vehicle. When he was sure nothing was in the way he would get back behind the wheel and drive on another few feet or so. Inspector Lothar Neumann told a court in Mainz, Germany: "Police were called by a man who knew he was blind and was terrified he might have an accident. "It was very easy to catch him up as he was only going about 20 inches at a time. He didn't cause a scratch to his car or to any others." The driver, who has not been named, made it 15 yards down the road. Mr Neumann said he had bought the Opel car so other people could drive him around. But after drinking he decided he wanted to have a go on his own. The man, who has not been named, also admitted driving without a licence and was fined a total of M-#1,000. ------------------------------------------------------------------ The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 12:40:04 2001 From: Brian Roach To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Backprotectors? Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:43:08 -0400 Carbon on back protectors: The outer shell of a back protecter serves to distribute impact force and to protect from piercing. Fall on a sharp rock (or worse... maybe a footpeg) and you'll be thankfull for having it. Carbon on gloves: I'll show you my gloves from Road-Atlanta which have carbon fiber knuckle guards - without them I would be missing the tops of my 3rd and 4th knuckles on my right hand. Kevlar Garments: Every one of these that I've seen have been Carbon-Kevlar weave. I met a guy at Summit last year who was wearing a full racing suit made out of the stuff, and from the scuffs and abrasions on the suit I'd say it works just fine (Though... I think I'll stick to good 'ol cow... call me old fashioned :) ) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 13:07:01 2001 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:06:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Backprotectors? > I've also > heard that while Kevlar is great against tearing or piercing, See: http://www.aerostich.com/isroot/riderwearhouse/DirectPages/straightstory.html Has a couple references to Cycle mag's testing on various materials. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 13:12:33 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Hugh Caldwell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good thing he didn't own a bike! (fwd) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:18:15 -0700 If he was in a parking lot he might be able to beat the case if it was private property... I always wondered what laws applied to parking lots.. if it's not private property... danny From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 13:26:47 2001 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:24:06 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Backprotectors? To: roach@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Brian Roach wrote: > > Carbon on back protectors: The outer shell of a back protecter serves to > distribute impact force and to protect from piercing. Fall on a sharp rock > (or worse... maybe a footpeg) and you'll be thankfull for having it. > > Carbon on gloves: I'll show you my gloves from Road-Atlanta which have carbon > fiber knuckle guards - without them I would be missing the tops of my 3rd and > 4th knuckles on my right hand. Not disputing the effectiveness of hard-shell armor. Just suggesting that if it's worn underneath full leathers (or a cordura riding suit) it's more likely to wear through the outer material if you find yourself sliding on asphalt. I'd like to see a suit with hard armored outer bits at elbows, shoulders, knees, forearms, with softer padding underneath (maybe even on the inside of the suit). Problem is, it would look strange (like a Mad Max movie extra?) and probably not sell all that well. Sad. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 13:32:32 2001 From: Danny Thompson To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Backprotectors? Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:36:03 -0400 Encoding: 51 TEXT They have them now. The new suits (don't remember the brand) at Fast Lane's have them and I think the new Kobe's have them. They do look even more like Power Rangers, but if I was in the market, I would consider them, especially the Kobe's. Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '98 VTR '00 SV (For SALE) www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:24 PM, Dale Horstman [SMTP:the.horkster@XXXXXX] wrote: > Brian Roach wrote: > > > > Carbon on back protectors: The outer shell of a back protecter serves to > > distribute impact force and to protect from piercing. Fall on a sharp rock > > (or worse... maybe a footpeg) and you'll be thankfull for having it. > > > > Carbon on gloves: I'll show you my gloves from Road-Atlanta which have > > carbon > > fiber knuckle guards - without them I would be missing the tops of my 3rd > > and > > 4th knuckles on my right hand. > > Not disputing the effectiveness of hard-shell armor. Just suggesting > that if it's worn underneath full leathers (or a cordura riding suit) > it's more likely to wear through the outer material if you find yourself > sliding on asphalt. I'd like to see a suit with hard armored outer bits at > elbows, shoulders, knees, forearms, with softer padding underneath (maybe > even on the inside of the suit). > > Problem is, it would look strange (like a Mad Max movie extra?) and > probably not sell all that well. Sad. > > Horkster > > -- > Mandatory second line (CM tm) > > Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider > #322 > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 13:41:12 2001 From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'Dale Horstman'" , roach@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Backprotectors? Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:36:16 -0400 -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:the.horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:24 PM To: roach@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Backprotectors? <> You could say the same about just about stuff the Hardley people wear, yet it sells tons... Brian Roach wrote: > > Carbon on back protectors: The outer shell of a back protecter serves to > distribute impact force and to protect from piercing. Fall on a sharp rock > (or worse... maybe a footpeg) and you'll be thankfull for having it. > > Carbon on gloves: I'll show you my gloves from Road-Atlanta which have carbon > fiber knuckle guards - without them I would be missing the tops of my 3rd and > 4th knuckles on my right hand. Not disputing the effectiveness of hard-shell armor. Just suggesting that if it's worn underneath full leathers (or a cordura riding suit) it's more likely to wear through the outer material if you find yourself sliding on asphalt. I'd like to see a suit with hard armored outer bits at elbows, shoulders, knees, forearms, with softer padding underneath (maybe even on the inside of the suit). Problem is, it would look strange (like a Mad Max movie extra?) and probably not sell all that well. Sad. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 16:24:14 2001 From: dsnyder@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:24:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Track Day, May 4th Woodstock, GA April 2, 2001: APRILIA USA, INC. is pleased to announce their inaugural season of Aprilia Track Days. Created for Aprilia owners and prospective customers to enjoy Aprilia products in a safe and exciting environment, the Aprilia Track Days are scheduled across the country. 2001 Mille and SL 1000M-ms will be available for on-track demo rides. Current Aprilia owners will enjoy the benefits of ownership through discounted entry fees. Aprilia Track days are open to all brands of sporting motorcycles. Aprilia owners will pay $145. Owners of other brands will pay $185. Registration includes an Aprilia demo ride, lunch, and riding instruction. M-lItM-ms important for a customer to truly experience a motorcycle before he or she considers buying it,M-n says Dealer Development Manager Tanner Shultz, M-lAprilia USA realizes that the track is a great place to test a bike M-q without the distractions of public roads, the demo rider can concentrate on the bike and enjoy the latest Aprilia products.M-n Interested riders should contact their local Aprilia dealer to register. The complete dealer lists are located at www.apriliausa.com or by calling toll-free (877) APRILIA. May 4th, 2001 Summit Point Raceway, Summit Pt. WV Aprilia USA, Inc is a subsidiary of Aprilia S.p.A., a privately owned Italian motorcycle design and manufacturing company employing over one thousand people and recording annual sales in excess of 320,000 units. As such, Aprilia USA Inc. is the exclusive importer of Aprilia brand motorcycles, scooters, apparel and accessories. For more information and a current dealer list, consumers can visit the official Aprilia USA web site at www.apriliausa.com. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 18:18:07 2001 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 18:19:38 -0400 Subject: Armor on the outside (was backprotectors) From: David Cross To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Armor on the outside: http://www.teknicgear.com/pages/grandprixcollect/speedstar/1pc.html dave on 4/5/01 1:36 PM, Danny Thompson at dthompso1@XXXXXX wrote: > They have them now. The new suits (don't remember the brand) at Fast Lane's > have them and I think the new Kobe's have them. They do look even more like > Power Rangers, but if I was in the market, I would consider them, especially > the Kobe's. > > Danny > #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) > '98 VTR > '00 SV (For SALE) > www.onewayracing.org > > Proudly Sponsored by: > Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers > www.shenvalleywarrenton.com > > On Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:24 PM, Dale Horstman > [SMTP:the.horkster@XXXXXX] > wrote: >> Brian Roach wrote: >>> >>> Carbon on back protectors: The outer shell of a back protecter serves to >>> distribute impact force and to protect from piercing. Fall on a sharp rock >>> (or worse... maybe a footpeg) and you'll be thankfull for having it. >>> >>> Carbon on gloves: I'll show you my gloves from Road-Atlanta which have >>> carbon >>> fiber knuckle guards - without them I would be missing the tops of my 3rd >>> and >>> 4th knuckles on my right hand. >> >> Not disputing the effectiveness of hard-shell armor. Just suggesting >> that if it's worn underneath full leathers (or a cordura riding suit) >> it's more likely to wear through the outer material if you find yourself >> sliding on asphalt. I'd like to see a suit with hard armored outer bits at >> elbows, shoulders, knees, forearms, with softer padding underneath (maybe >> even on the inside of the suit). >> >> Problem is, it would look strange (like a Mad Max movie extra?) and >> probably not sell all that well. Sad. >> >> Horkster >> >> -- >> Mandatory second line (CM tm) >> >> Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider >> #322 >> Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth >> >> '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer >> '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi >> '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 6 00:00:46 2001 From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Splish splash gas bath Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:16:02 -0400 I only wanted a couple of gallons in the tank. Instead I got 4 all over. At a self serve Exxon in Maryland. Done this a (thousand? million?) times. All fine until I tried to stop the fill -- and couldn't. Jerk the hose out, gas flying all over, point the nozzle away, stretch the hose, hand clamping the lever, trying to get this vomiting varmint away from me, bike, pumps, and stopped. Which it did, lever unengaging from little swing lockpiece after two or three seconds (hours?). Fortunately none on me, some wipeup on the bike, station people mopped up, not charged for spill, me not spending time with the broken-english custodian nor saying goodbye. I'd seen spills before, but always the other guy. It's the what if's and lessons learned that I carried away. What if one of those lit cig types had been around? Or an engine-on'er had been near? And What's Doing with those little swing pieces under the fill levers that can hold them on? I'm not up on the ins and outs of unattended filling in Maryland but it seems something was awry (no cutoff mechanism at the nozzle, no spring on the swing piece -- allowing unintended locking)? (Post-incident the little swing piece swung freely and it seems could easily lock the lever open again.). Carrying this further, does the EPA expect paperwork about this? At any rate, my attention level at pump nozzles just got boosted several notches. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Hey. Water and soap is fine for a wash, thank you. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 6 07:25:00 2001 Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 04:24:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Splish splash gas bath To: mobacc , DC-Cycles Uh, I happen to like those lock things, especially on the old beater as it only seems to get about 75% full if I pump it full blast. Seems a lot of places are taking them out though because of exactly what happened to you. Maybe the spring was broken on the one you were using? Typically as soon as you add a little more pressure they release all by themselves. Glenn --- mobacc wrote: > I only wanted a couple of gallons in the tank. > Instead I got 4 all over. > > At a self serve Exxon in Maryland. Done this a > (thousand? million?) times. > All fine until I tried to stop the fill -- and > couldn't. Jerk the hose out, > gas flying all over, point the nozzle away, stretch > the hose, hand clamping > the lever, trying to get this vomiting varmint away > from me, bike, pumps, > and stopped. > > Which it did, lever unengaging from little swing > lockpiece after two or __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 6 07:32:27 2001 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 07:34:04 -0400 From: Dave Yates To: mobacc CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Splish splash gas bath Bill 'I'm friend of OPEC' S. wrote: > I only wanted a couple of gallons in the tank. Instead I got 4 all over. > > At a self serve Exxon in Maryland. Done this a (thousand? million?) times. > All fine until I tried to stop the fill -- and couldn't. Jerk the hose out, > gas flying all over, point the nozzle away, stretch the hose, hand clamping > the lever, trying to get this vomiting varmint away from me, bike, pumps, > and stopped. > > Which it did, lever unengaging from little swing lockpiece after two or > three seconds (hours?). ... > It's the what if's and lessons learned that I carried away. What if one of > those lit cig types had been around? Or an engine-on'er had been near? And > What's Doing with those little swing pieces under the fill levers that can > hold them on? ... The pumps are supposed to cut off when they sense back pressure (your tank is full) BUT, it's designed for use in a Cage, not a bike. > Carrying this further, does the EPA expect paperwork about this? Just call opec, they'll provide you a lawyer ;-) > At any rate, my attention level at pump nozzles just got boosted several > notches. filling the tank on a bike takes, what, 2 minutes ? don't use pump locks on the gas pump while filling your bike. at least there was no fire story... Glad you & the bike are none the worse for wear... -- -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 6 07:57:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13002.mail.yahoo.com (web13002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f36BvNU16838 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 07:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010406115721.64773.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web13002.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 04:57:21 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 04:57:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Splish splash gas bath To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3ACDA9AC.3010606@radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > > filling the tank on a bike takes, what, 2 minutes ? don't use pump locks > on the gas pump while filling your bike. One problem to watch for is sometimes the latch on the handle is broken so it gets stuck in the "on" posistion. Learned that once when filling the cage... switched the pump to on, and the gas started coming out even though I didn't squeeze in the lever... turns out the latch was doing that for me. Now I pay close attention to all parts before getting ready to dispense. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 6 08:15:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f36CFqU17104 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.8.12b1b3d3 (25508) for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:15:40 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8.12b1b3d3.27ff0d6c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:15:40 EDT Subject: Re: Splish splash gas bath To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10512 >One problem to watch for is sometimes the latch on the handle is broken so it >gets stuck in the "on" posistion One thing to remember is that the automatic cutoff and the handle latch are two separate mechanisms, each doing its own thing. As observed earlier - the auto cutoff is designed for a cage's fuel system and doesn't work all that well (if at all) on a bike. Bottom line - don't use 'em when fuelling your scooter. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 6 09:18:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f36DIkU18037 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gsx1100gp@XXXXXX by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.97.13a29e95 (25508) for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:18:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Gsx1100gp@XXXXXX Message-ID: <97.13a29e95.27ff1c2b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:18:35 EDT Subject: Fwd: LDRider: Run Over by a Squirrel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_97.13a29e95.27ff1c2b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10512 --part1_97.13a29e95.27ff1c2b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cross-post from the LDRIDERS list - and you thought that deer were bad... Well the real riding season has begun.... I was run over by a squirrel today.... How can that happen you ask? Well not being Chip "story teller" Robie I will have to just do what I can do..... On the way back from the Bmw dealer getting the 36k tune up for the R1100RSL. (good job Charlotte bmw) I was taking the back roads and passed through the small town of Fort Mill. On one of the side streets I see a squirrel in a yard with a single cherry tree. Being the ex hunter I am, I know that he is not at home and when he hears the bike he is going to bolt. He goes head up.... Turns to the road and the tall tree's across the street. He bolts to them and I am there. I with my cat like reflexes slow down and see if I can spare the furry tailed rat of the trees. He pulls the 10 g stop in the road and I have now slowed to about 3 mph and plan on slowly passing him leaving us both uninjured (I hope anyway). Well as I start to go by he jumps back to hyper speed and heads for me. Well, at the last possible moment as I look down to see which wheel is going to do him in, he then leaps on my leg and catches hold of the riding suit. From there he is up the top of the leg. Up my chest and to the top of the tank bag. Well of course I almost fall off the back of the bike because I am pretty sure I do not want to share my schuberth with him and looking down it looked like that was going to happen. I saw him nose to shield (glad it was down). As my heart about beats out of my chest he bounds to safety..... I slowly pick up some speed and begin breathing again. It hits me... I was run over by a squirrel --part1_97.13a29e95.27ff1c2b_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (rly-zc01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.1]) by air-zc03.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:06:13 -0500 Received: from yucca.anv.net (yucca.anv.net [216.241.111.3]) by rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:05:51 2000 Received: by yucca.anv.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24426 for ldrider-outgoing; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rjsonline.net (mail.rjsonline.net [209.198.30.15]) by yucca.anv.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24420 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rjsonline.net [216.189.0.186] by mail.rjsonline.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.05) id A45B55F01F0; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:05:15 -0400 Message-ID: <3ACD2530.5F930ABF@rjsonline.net> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:08:48 -0400 From: Robert Cooper X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BMW LIST , ldrider list CC: Mike Kelly Subject: LDRider: Run Over by a Squirrel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ldrider@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Robert Cooper Well the real riding season has begun.... I was run over by a squirrel today.... How can that happen you ask? Well not being Chip "story teller" Robie I will have to just do what I can do..... On the way back from the Bmw dealer getting the 36k tune up for the R1100RSL. (good job Charlotte bmw) I was taking the back roads and passed through the small town of Fort Mill. On one of the side streets I see a squirrel in a yard with a single cherry tree. Being the ex hunter I am, I know that he is not at home and when he hears the bike he is going to bolt. He goes head up.... Turns to the road and the tall tree's across the street. He bolts to them and I am there. I with my cat like reflexes slow down and see if I can spare the furry tailed rat of the trees. He pulls the 10 g stop in the road and I have now slowed to about 3 mph and plan on slowly passing him leaving us both uninjured (I hope anyway). Well as I start to go by he jumps back to hyper speed and heads for me. Well, at the last possible moment as I look down to see which wheel is going to do him in, he then leaps on my leg and catches hold of the riding suit. From there he is up the top of the leg. Up my chest and to the top of the tank bag. Well of course I almost fall off the back of the bike because I am pretty sure I do not want to share my schuberth with him and looking down it looked like that was going to happen. I saw him nose to shield (glad it was down). As my heart about beats out of my chest he bounds to safety..... I slowly pick up some speed and begin breathing again. It hits me... I was run over by a squirrel Coop "that croc guy has nothing on me" IBA, IBMWR, Sub/Unsub instructions, rules etc. are at http://www.ldriders.org/ --part1_97.13a29e95.27ff1c2b_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 6 11:52:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from server.nlxcorp.com (machine02.intelx.com [12.32.8.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f36FqAU20637 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by machine02.intelx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2G4C81K1>; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:53:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: Bill Patience To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Yamaha Seca II for SALE Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:53:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I'm selling my 1992 Yamaha Seca II for $1700. 600cc. It is in good shape with only 5500 miles on it. Will throw in 2 helmets. Call Bill at 703-406-3575 From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 6 12:01:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f36G0xU20823 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21192 invoked by uid 1001); 6 Apr 2001 16:00:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20010406160058.21191.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:00:57 -0500 Subject: Need to try-on Teknic 56/46 suit Does anyone here have a size 56/46 Teknic I can try on? Or know of a shop that carries a decent complement of 1-piece suits by Teknic? Prefer south-westers beltway areas. -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 6 12:49:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f36Gn9U21546 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-41-201.s455.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.201] helo=pawilson) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14lZQ3-0004Ai-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:49:08 -0400 Message-ID: <00da01c0beb9$be0b1b40$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: MC parking at BWI? Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:50:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I'm flying out of BWI next week. I've never ridden the scoot to that airport. Is there a dedicated MC parking area, or can one just park in the garage with cages? I'd like to know in advance to minimize unanticipated last minute hassles, otherwise, it's the blue van for me. Paul in DC 91 CB750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 6 14:19:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f36IJFU22963 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f36IJ3e05995 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:19:04 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010406141803.036e02f0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 14:18:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: ITI taking credit for SIPDE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Didn't the MSF develop SIPDE? http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49382-2001Apr6.html ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA "Any lie will find believers as long as you tell it with force." --Greta Garbo in "Queen Christina" From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 6 14:42:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13005.mail.yahoo.com (web13005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f36IgTU23375 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010406184228.99530.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web13005.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:42:28 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:42:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Fwd: RE: ITI taking credit for SIPDE To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I forwarded Mike's question to a list of MSF instructors. Here's what I got back: > SIPDE has been around Driver Education for years. I think MSF may have > picked it up from DE area as many of the MSF staffers in the late 70's and > early 80's were from the DE field. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:29 PM > Subject: Fwd: ITI taking credit for SIPDE > > > Someone on a local (Washington, DC area) e-mail list saw the article below > about a driving school that uses SIPDE and asked: > > > Didn't the MSF develop SIPDE? > > > > http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49382-2001Apr6.html > > I honestly don't know. Was it developed by the MSF? Does MSF have a > copyright on it? Public domain? > > Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 6 15:24:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f36JOVU24087 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10490 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:24:29 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA22056 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-170.s170.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.170]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14lbqO-0003k4-00 ; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:24:28 -0400 To: Chris Weaver Cc: dccycles2@XXXXXX, Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Powder Coating in area? Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:30:21 -0700 Message-ID: References: <20010405130652.5293.qmail@web3806.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010405130652.5293.qmail@web3806.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f36JQ4U24088 That place Mouse Trap Racing is run by a crook, so I quit. The guy nextdoor to him does powder coating. they were going to take in business on his behalf and get a cut.. so.. I don't know if the guy's shop is set up yet.. but since it's not actually mouse trap racing, you might be alright. Danny btw do NOT take your bikes there. On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 06:06:52 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>Didn't Daniel say that the place he works now does |>this sort of thing? Danny, what about it? |> |>Chris Weaver |>VTR, YSR, dccycles.com |> |>--- Gary Foreman wrote: |>> Is there anyone in the area good at powder coating? |> |>__________________________________________________ |>Do You Yahoo!? |>Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. |>http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 6 17:46:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f36LkAU26356 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.f6.8d0e3f8 (4249) for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:45:01 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:45:01 EDT Subject: Re: cheap trailers... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 117 I just want to put in my .02 worth on the trailer bit, whatever trailer you use _tie down your wheels_ . You can get straps made just for the job or use rope but do it. I once watched in my mirror as the outside strap come off my bike on a sweeping turn. The only difference between having my bike totaled when it flew off the trailer and $0.00 damage was that I had tied the wheels to the trailer. Note: seeing that strap come off was a truly _sick_ feeling! John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 6 19:57:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f36NvFU28348 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 19:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (max1h-68.his.com [216.32.85.68]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA10475 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 19:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010406185732.01083808@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 18:57:34 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Trailers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here is a recycled Conan the Tuner column I wrote back in Aug of '93 for the MARRC newsletter on the subject of trailers. Some good tips, some funny. ***************************************** Trailers.... Racing is the activity that we all enjoy so much, but I've always felt is was odd that this activity was connected to a activity that we all hate so much...getting our stuff to and from the races. How many times have you been up to one o'clock in the morning, not putting that ultra hot motor together, not driving to a national in some obscure god forsaken place, but trying to pack your '83 chevette & three rail trailer with all your stuff. I personally think that getting two race bikes, one pit bike, two tool boxes, camping gear, leathers, helmets, food, enough beer for the weekend (that's what the trailer is for) and your racing buddy all loaded in a compact up is fun. The best part is when you discover that the trailer lights don't work and the multimeter is in the tool box, under a big pile of stuff in the back seat. Forty five minutes later you discover that your buddy has the wiring to his harness on his car screwed up, and the trailer, which was fine, now has had its polarity reversed. Being stuck at home with a bad trailer is not considered to be a misfortune for most racers. After all, each of us experienced the blinding white hot moment when we realize that twisted pile of...of...stuffffffff, on the side of the road is what left of our fine race equipment. These types of occurrences are truly tragic and usually start out harmlessly enough. For example say you only have six tie downs and two motorcycles. No problem, two for the handle bars, and one on the back wheel for each in case you slam on the brakes. I'll never forget seeing that dark cat run & stop in the middle of the intersection at the bottom of the long hill and thinking to myself, "gee that kitty sure is going to get clobbered by traffic -- what a minute -- that cat looks like the gas tank to the RD60..." There are few feelings worse than looking in the rear view mirror and only seeing one bike where there should be two. How about the flaming axle trick. Racers will spend time & dollars to relieve their race bikes the burden of the smallest amount of drag. Cranks, tranny bearings, starter clutches, alternators, beefy O-ring chains, even wheel bearing will receive all manner of modification or removal to exorcise the demon of friction. How many racers check the wheel bearing on their trailers, not many. When they do check them how many racers over tighten the axle nut on re-assembly, quite a few (after all it looks just like a steering head bearing). How many racers pull over when the bearing had experienced total structural failure unit is red hot smoking with the seals on fire, more than you would think. Do you have a neighbor who has a nice trailer boat? Have they ever had a problem with their trailer? Ever wonder why these guys only get flat tires, and never blow a wheel bearing? The answer is in a JC Whitney catalog for about $10. Marine "Bearing Buddies" were originally designed to keep salt water out of the bearing when launching and recovering a trailer boat. Unlike that puny dust caps on your land lubber trailer, this units have Zerk fitting in a spring load plate that maintains about five PSI of pressure forcing grease into the bearing. You take a grease gun and fill the sucker up once a year. Any moisture that gets into the bearing when the trailer is under water will be forced out, usually however none gets in. The best part is you never have to take the assembly apart top change a table spoon of grease. Just whack it with the grease gun. I've never met a person who had a bearing failure when using bearing buddies, ever. Lets say you have gas can that doesn't quite seal shut, and usually sloshes fuel out the filler & breather caps. Obviously you put it on the trailer so you don't stink up the car with fuel that gets spilled. Adjusting the radio, being careful not to spill your beverage, you take your last drag off your lucky and flick it out the window. Its surpassing just how much heat a fire on your trailer gives off at 70 mph, I'm told you can actually feel it. The big question is do you stop, or speed up... Ever seen the 80 mph trailer snake dance coming done the hill on the PA pike? You know, your butt tired from Nelson or Mid Ohio, your probably didn't load the trailer with enough tongue weight. Upon coming out of the tunnels and staring down hill your rig goes into this snake dance that makes your eye balls the size of half dollars. Getting on the brakes makes it worse, getting on the gas makes it worse, doing nothing makes it worse, and you're plum out of clean underwear. I like trying to sleep when I know the guy who is driving is tired. You just start to fade into sleep when...jerk...the rig gets slammed to the right and left as the driver makes what feels like a full lock correction because he was changing a CD and didn't see where he was going. Maybe 99% of the time this is because he is trying not to spill his coffee, but once in a while he actually "micro sleeps" and goes into the grass. After this every turn he makes you slam awake and prepare for impact. Ever been the guy who gets stuck driving when your really tired because you couldn't fall asleep before? You know you would like to talk to someone, but they are all sleeping. Try pulling over to the left until the wheels are just hitting the bumps off the side of the road, then jerk the wheel hard right. When the guy next to you wakes up and asks it your OK say "Sure, I'm fine I just started to fall asleep there for a moment, go back to sleep, you need the rest to drive in the morning." Two minutes later the two you will be talking about racing. My personal favorite is when you have gotten so packed that you can't actually see the trailer from the driver's seat. Now you have no idea what is going on back there, and if you are on a smooth straight road you probably wouldn't detect a uncoupling for quite some time. I cases like this you need the Team Charm bumper sticker that reads "HONK IF I DON'T HAVE A TRAILER WITH A MOTORCYCLE ON IT." Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 7 13:31:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f37HVpU17083 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EmergeOut@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.6b.125ef01c (3702) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:31:41 -0400 (EDT) From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6b.125ef01c.2800a8fc@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:31:40 EDT Subject: Question About Wrecked Honda CBR 600 F3 (HELP) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6b.125ef01c.2800a8fc_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 --part1_6b.125ef01c.2800a8fc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings Fellow Riders! I have a gentleman that will sell me a wrecked Honda CBR 600 F3. The bike needs work, and he tells me I could easily have the bike on the road after one weekend of work. The bikes front forks are bent, can they be bent back or would I have to buy new forks? The plastics on the bike are in bad shape, I was thinking about just buying all new plastics, it needs a new gas tanks, a new oil cap...the bike is leaking oil, needs a new gauge board, and a head light and rear light plastics. Does anyone have any clue how much it would cost me to fix this bike up and get it in the road. Is this a good investment, he is asking $2,000 or better. Someone speak to me I need your help bad. Thanks. Brian PS Horkster can you help, you seem to know a lot --part1_6b.125ef01c.2800a8fc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings Fellow Riders!

I have a gentleman that will sell me a wrecked Honda CBR 600 F3.  The bike
needs work, and he tells me I could easily have the bike on the road after
one weekend of work.  The bikes front forks are bent, can they be bent back
or would I have to buy new forks?  The plastics on the bike are in bad shape,
I was thinking about just buying all new plastics, it needs a new gas tanks,
a new oil cap...the bike is leaking oil, needs a new gauge board, and a head
light and rear light plastics.  Does anyone have any clue how much it would
cost me to fix this bike up and get it in the road. Is this a good
investment, he is asking $2,000 or better.  Someone speak to me I need your
help bad.  Thanks.

Brian

PS Horkster can you help, you seem to know a lot --part1_6b.125ef01c.2800a8fc_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 7 14:38:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f37IcRU18061 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 14:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EmergeOut@XXXXXX by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.57.14155ae9 (5775) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 14:38:15 -0400 (EDT) From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Message-ID: <57.14155ae9.2800b896@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 14:38:14 EDT Subject: Thanks For Info, on Wrecked CBR 600 f3 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_57.14155ae9.2800b896_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 --part1_57.14155ae9.2800b896_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh my gosh! I am running very very fast! Thanks for all the information I am in no way going to buy the bike! Something told me not to buy it but you guys convinced me even more not to waste my time and buy it. Thanks, I can always count on you guys. Brian D. Banks Need 4 Speed & w/o a bike for this spring and summer, whats a man to do? --part1_57.14155ae9.2800b896_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh my gosh!  I am running very very fast!  Thanks for all the information I
am in no way going to buy the bike!  Something told me not to buy it but you
guys convinced me even more not to waste my time and buy it.  Thanks, I can
always count on you guys.

Brian D. Banks
Need 4 Speed & w/o a bike for this spring and summer, whats a man to do? --part1_57.14155ae9.2800b896_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 7 14:45:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from host26.cedant.com (host26.cedant.com [209.239.37.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f37IjjU18230 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 14:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from therock (pool180-162.patriot.net [209.249.180.162]) by host26.cedant.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f37IjWo00796; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 14:45:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c0bf92$da5974c0$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: , "DC Cycles" References: <6b.125ef01c.2800a8fc@aol.com> Subject: Re: Question About Wrecked Honda CBR 600 F3 (HELP) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 14:44:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 RUN, do not walk, from this bike. It's f*cked. Given all the stuff that has to be replaced, I'm guessing it would end up running you $3-4000 or so just getting it back on the road. For the $5-6000 it will end up costing in total, you can get a MUCH better bike than a crash-damaged F3. I'm also guessing it also has a "salvage" title, which will kill your resale value. In short, you will get REAMED if you buy this bike. Crash-damaged bikes are rarely a good deal. If the insurance company thinks it will cost more to repair than it's worth, why don't you just go buy one that HASN'T been crashed instead of buying the crashed one, fixing it up, and eventually paying more than you would have for a perfect one in the first place? The only justification to buy this bike IMO is if you (1) need a racebike, (2) want to build a streetfighter or (3) want to sell the parts individually to make a profit. My 2 cents. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR, dccycles.com ----- Original Message ----- From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 1:31 PM Subject: Question About Wrecked Honda CBR 600 F3 (HELP) Greetings Fellow Riders! I have a gentleman that will sell me a wrecked Honda CBR 600 F3. The bike needs work, and he tells me I could easily have the bike on the road after one weekend of work. The bikes front forks are bent, can they be bent back or would I have to buy new forks? The plastics on the bike are in bad shape, I was thinking about just buying all new plastics, it needs a new gas tanks, a new oil cap...the bike is leaking oil, needs a new gauge board, and a head light and rear light plastics. Does anyone have any clue how much it would cost me to fix this bike up and get it in the road. Is this a good investment, he is asking $2,000 or better. Someone speak to me I need your help bad. Thanks. Brian PS Horkster can you help, you seem to know a lot From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 7 20:46:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f380kWU23529 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 20:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.75.12cc187d (3956) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 20:46:20 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <75.12cc187d.28010edb@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 20:46:19 EDT Subject: Who dat? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 Hi all. Just came back from some overtime in our Richmond office and followed another rider all the way to Springfield from just outside of Richmond. The couple times I got beside him, I could tell he was on a Katana. He was wearing a black helmet and jacket. Also a black and yellow backpack. We waved to each other as he took the exit. Felt pretty good riding with someone on the trip even if I didn't know who he was. Anyone on the list? Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 7 23:02:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3832YU25632 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 23:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010408030226.NVVB19178.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 20:02:26 -0700 Message-ID: <3ACFD4AC.957D5976@home.com> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 23:02:04 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Weaver CC: EmergeOut@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Question About Wrecked Honda CBR 600 F3 (HELP) References: <6b.125ef01c.2800a8fc@aol.com> <000901c0bf92$da5974c0$0100a8c0@therock> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Weaver wrote: > > RUN, do not walk, from this bike. The only justification to > buy this bike IMO is if you (1) need a racebike, (2) want to build > a streetfighter or (3) want to sell the parts individually to make a profit. > Brian, I agree with Chris here - there's no telling if there is frame damage or other problems lurking beneath all the broken bodywork. You'd need NEW forks (I don't think anyone can straighten them) plus a whole lot of plastic and other stuff. I'd pass on this one. Other fish in the sea. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 7 23:24:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f383OJU25935 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 23:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010408032417.ODHH19178.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 20:24:17 -0700 Message-ID: <3ACFD9CB.FCB24FC2@home.com> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 23:23:55 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thanks For Info, on Wrecked CBR 600 f3 References: <57.14155ae9.2800b896@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EmergeOut@XXXXXX wrote: > Brian D. Banks > Need 4 Speed & w/o a bike for this spring and summer, whats a man to > do? Here are two of my favorite sites for bike listings online. Anyone have any others? http://www.classifieds2000.com http://www.cycletrader.com/ Good luck. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 7 23:42:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f383gjU26226 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 23:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010408034240.OIWE19178.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 20:42:40 -0700 Message-ID: <3ACFDE1A.55D9FB53@home.com> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 23:42:18 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Concours Owners Group Subject: one hand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Found this too interesting to not pass on. Horkster > From: Reed Hopkins > Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 12:41:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: LDRider: Fwd: rsvp > > One hand? No problem! Get your butt back on that bike! > > http://www.whirledwise.net/valkyrie/clutchmod.html > > Reed -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 8 01:33:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f385XLU27802 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 01:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-96.s96.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.96]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14m7pA-0007Zo-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 08 Apr 2001 01:33:20 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: leaning Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 01:38:39 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f385YlU27803 how come sometimes when I ride and lean over so far, it feels like the tires are going to slip out? and i'm not dragging anything on the ground heh heh.. so i know i have room to go. Danny From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 8 05:36:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f389acU02396 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 05:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-96.s96.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.96]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14mBcb-0007bX-00 ; Sun, 08 Apr 2001 05:36:37 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Question About Wrecked Honda CBR 600 F3 (HELP) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 05:41:58 -0700 Message-ID: <8pm0dt0i3j8ku19epm7she772lnj7kcnt7@4ax.com> References: <6b.125ef01c.2800a8fc@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <6b.125ef01c.2800a8fc@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f389ajU02397 $2000 is kinda high for a bike in that condition... What year is the F3? For that condition, you should probably offer him $1,000. I have a line on some F3/F2 Parts.. You need to find out exactly where the engine is leaking oil from first off, and be sure that's the only spot. I would imagine you' re looking at spending $1,000 in parts. Fork assemblies: $300 plastics: $300 (if you're lucky) guagues: $100 or $200 headlight: $100 For $2,000 send him walking. between the cost of parts and the labor you're putting into it.. you're paying a premium price, you can just shop around and find a bike someone needs to get rid of at a bargain price. That's my two cents. Danny On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:31:40 EDT, you wrote: |>Greetings Fellow Riders! |> |>I have a gentleman that will sell me a wrecked Honda CBR 600 F3. The bike |>needs work, and he tells me I could easily have the bike on the road after |>one weekend of work. The bikes front forks are bent, can they be bent back |>or would I have to buy new forks? The plastics on the bike are in bad shape, |>I was thinking about just buying all new plastics, it needs a new gas tanks, |>a new oil cap...the bike is leaking oil, needs a new gauge board, and a head |>light and rear light plastics. Does anyone have any clue how much it would |>cost me to fix this bike up and get it in the road. Is this a good |>investment, he is asking $2,000 or better. Someone speak to me I need your |>help bad. Thanks. |> |>Brian |> |>PS Horkster can you help, you seem to know a lot From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 8 05:40:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f389eEU02409 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 05:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-96.s96.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.96]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14mBg5-0007gr-00 ; Sun, 08 Apr 2001 05:40:13 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thanks For Info, on Wrecked CBR 600 f3 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 05:45:34 -0700 Message-ID: References: <57.14155ae9.2800b896@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <57.14155ae9.2800b896@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f389eEU02410 On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 14:38:14 EDT, you wrote: |>Brian D. Banks |> Need 4 Speed & w/o a bike for this spring and summer, whats a man to do? Just be patient... Everyone goes through bike fever :) If you're patient, you'll have a bike this summer. If you have $4,000 you'll have a bike this summer easy. If you have $2,000, keep shopping, keep saving, you'll have a bike this summber, in a little while. Danny 00 zx6r 95 zx6r 92 ex250 From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 8 05:42:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f389fxU02419 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 05:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA17821 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 05:41:58 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA05638 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 05:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-96.s96.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.96]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14mBhk-0007jq-00 ; Sun, 08 Apr 2001 05:41:56 -0400 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: Chris Weaver , dccycles2@XXXXXX, Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Powder Coating in area? Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 05:47:17 -0700 Message-ID: <7dn0dtc20c88bri21d49d5ahqb0vo516k4@4ax.com> References: <20010405130652.5293.qmail@web3806.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f389g1U02433 On Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:30:21 -0700, you wrote: |> |>Danny |>btw do NOT take your bikes there. by "there" I meant "Mouse Trap Racing". Only a matter of time before he goes out of business, one way or another. The guy "mouse" is bad news. Danny From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 8 09:03:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11206.mail.yahoo.com (web11206.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.188]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f38D36U05258 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 09:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010408130305.63957.qmail@web11206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.101.156.160] by web11206.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 08 Apr 2001 06:03:05 PDT Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 06:03:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Which one is Faster? To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii After work Friday I was tooling down W Montgomery Ave heading towards 270. The first thing I saw was an absolutely gorgeous Ferrari F355 in bright Canary Yellow. Wow. 15 seconds later, I see a bright Canary Yellow 2001 Goldwing. That Goldwing was downright cool looking. I'm not really into full tourers, but the Goldwing is sharp. Now, the question is, which vehicle is faster? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 8 09:48:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13001.mail.yahoo.com (web13001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f38DmvU05906 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 09:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010408134856.20204.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.86.241] by web13001.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 08 Apr 2001 06:48:56 PDT Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 06:48:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Mason Dixon 20-20 To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Folks, just wanted to let you know that there is only a week left if you want to sign up for the Mason Dixon 20-20 rally in time to get a shirt at the rally itself. We need to have the entries postmarked by April 16th, or you can use PayPal to pay on line. (See website for more info). (If you sign up later, your shirt will be sent to you after the rally) The other rallymasters and I have been scouting at least 9 states and one district for bonus locations. (for a hint about how wide the area under consideration is, see the Rally News on 4/6) Plus we've been plotting, err... planning other ways to make this a fun event for people. There will also be specified routes/bonuses for people who only want to earn a Saddle Sore 1000 (1000 miles in 24 hrs), or a Bun Burner / Bun Burner Gold (1,500 miles in 24/36 hrs). Full details are available on the Mason Dixon 20-20 web page, http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ This is the only 24 hr or longer Long Distance Rally in the Mid-Atlantic region this year that still has openings. The Tarbutt registration is closed, and the Iron Butt Rally has a very long waiting list. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 8 10:09:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f38E9EU06215 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 10:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana.wheatintl.com (66-44-54-51.s51.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [66.44.54.51]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f38E95S12192; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 10:09:05 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010408100535.035bd6e0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 10:08:53 -0400 To: Matthew Rosenstock From: Troutman Subject: Re: Which one is Faster? Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20010408130305.63957.qmail@web11206.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:03 AM 4/8/2001, Matthew Rosenstock wrote: >After work Friday I was tooling down W Montgomery Ave >heading towards 270. The first thing I saw was an >absolutely gorgeous Ferrari F355 in bright Canary >Yellow. Wow. 15 seconds later, I see a bright Canary >Yellow 2001 Goldwing. That Goldwing was downright cool >looking. I'm not really into full tourers, but the >Goldwing is sharp. I wonder if it is the same guy (Maryland Plates) that I saw at the indoor cart racing in Sterling. >Now, the question is, which vehicle is faster? Faster as in .... what? 1/4 mile? Top speed? 0-60? I'm sure the stats for both are online somewhere. My guess is that the Ferrari wins all three. Put it up against a nice litre bike...R1, 929, the bike would probably win at least 2/3. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 8 10:29:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f38ETBU06533 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 10:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010408142909.UBEJ19178.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 07:29:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3AD075A3.79558CEF@home.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 10:28:51 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Which one is Faster? References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010408100535.035bd6e0@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > > Faster as in .... what? 1/4 mile? Top speed? 0-60? I'm sure the stats > for both are online somewhere. My guess is that the Ferrari wins all > three. I would guess that the Goldwing would be quicker 0-60 and 1/4 mile. This is without knowing anything about the Ferrari. Bikes are pretty quick off the line. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 8 15:05:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f38J5PU10622 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 15:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010408190504.XVMT19547.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 12:05:04 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c0c05b$ac447b60$8501a8c0@Home> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: "DC Cycles" References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010408100535.035bd6e0@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: Which one is Faster? Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 14:42:32 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > >Now, the question is, which vehicle is faster? > > Faster as in .... what? 1/4 mile? Top speed? 0-60? I'm sure the stats > for both are online somewhere. My guess is that the Ferrari wins all > three. Put it up against a nice litre bike...R1, 929, the bike would > probably win at least 2/3. I'm not so sure about that. The new GL is pretty damn quick in a straight line. As far as I'm concerned, the most important number is 60-80 top gear roll-on. If I remember correctly, the GL does it in 2.8 sec which isn't bad for anything let alone a 900 lbs. touring bike. -James From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 8 18:43:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f38MhsU13754 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 18:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010408224352.BKSM19178.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 15:43:52 -0700 Message-ID: <3AD0E993.D149911D@home.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 18:43:31 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Reazor CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Which one is Faster? References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010408100535.035bd6e0@mail.troutman.org> <001801c0c05b$ac447b60$8501a8c0@Home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Reazor wrote: > As far as I'm concerned, the most important number is 60-80 top gear > roll-on. Aaaaauuuuugggggghhhhhhh! I HATE that stat! Motorcycle manufacturers worry about looking bad in any measurable area, and for some reason this one is considered measureable. And because of it, we've got tons of under-geared street bikes out there that pull way too many revs at highway speeds, making for uncomfortable cruising. Ever hear of an overdrive? Ever wish your bike had one? I still catch myself looking for 7th gear on the Connie occasionally. If I want to pass something quickly, I'm willing to downshift for it - besides, I ENJOY downshifting for it. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 8 19:22:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtppop1pub.verizon.net (smtppop1pub.gte.net [206.46.170.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f38NMlU14413 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 19:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boink.hartzler.net (adsl-141-156-134-9.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [141.156.134.9]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id SAA85649916 Sun, 8 Apr 2001 18:07:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (IDENT:ph@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by boink.hartzler.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26919 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 19:14:35 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 19:14:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Oil Burner Harley In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010408100535.035bd6e0@mail.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ... "From mail-order parts and an old diesel engine, Benich has assembled what is believed to be the nation's first motorcycle that runs entirely on soybean oil, according to the National Biodiesel Board in Jefferson City, Mo." ... http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/carroll/bal-ca.soy00apr080.story?coll=bal%2Dlocal%2Dcarroll -ph From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 8 21:02:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3912VU15897 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 21:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010409010218.DGFZ19547.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 18:02:18 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c0c08d$79f20600$8501a8c0@Home> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: "DC Cycles" References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010408100535.035bd6e0@mail.troutman.org> <001801c0c05b$ac447b60$8501a8c0@Home> <3AD0E993.D149911D@home.com> Subject: Re: Which one is Faster? Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 20:39:02 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > > As far as I'm concerned, the most important number is 60-80 top gear > > roll-on. > > Aaaaauuuuugggggghhhhhhh! I HATE that stat! Motorcycle manufacturers > worry about looking bad in any measurable area, and for some reason > this one is considered measureable. And because of it, we've got > tons of under-geared street bikes out there that pull way too many > revs at highway speeds, making for uncomfortable cruising. > > Ever hear of an overdrive? Ever wish your bike had one? I > still catch myself looking for 7th gear on the Connie occasionally. > If I want to pass something quickly, I'm willing to downshift for > it - besides, I ENJOY downshifting for it. Well said and thanks for the chuckle but your point is well taken. The fact that it's done in top gear is important only for the sake of consistency. Maybe it should be the "second from top gear 60-80 roll-on test". I find this number enlightening because it tells you how much punch is on tap in the middle of the rev range which is where I spend most of my time. I don't care about peak HP or torque because I generally don't run within 1000 rpm of the red-line (OK, sometimes but not that often) and 0-60 time is only important for street riders if your into stop light drags which I try really hard not take part in (sometimes you just can't resist). Actually my little 650 cruises quite comfortably in 6th at 70mph at around 5500-6000 rpm and the buzz doesn't really kick in until around 7500. I sometimes wonder why they bothered with a 6th gear at all. Although it is nice when I need to make a 200 mi. run and am too lazy to stop for gas. -James From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 8 21:09:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (mail8.wlv.netzero.net [209.247.163.58]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3919qU15996 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 21:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3502 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2001 01:07:49 -0000 Received: from dialup-64.157.50.252.washington1.level3.net (HELO neophytz) (64.157.50.252) by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 9 Apr 2001 01:07:49 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c0c091$bc066320$fc329d40@neophytz> Reply-To: "Brian N. Bowes, M.D." From: "Brian N. Bowes, M.D." To: References: <200103160001.f2G01Lu07433@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: new to area Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 21:01:15 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 I am not sure that I have posted before, just a regular lurker with some accumulated questions I wanted opinions on: Armor- I dress for the crash not the ride as I saw it well put, but for that all year round is the same plan, full face, leather jacket, jeans, leather gloves and leather boots. I wanted to add some more protection at 1. a reasonable price and 2. without looking as though I were in a zoot suit, no offense intented. Being a standard naked street bike kind of guy, and that is coming back in ... the protection should be that, standard not too outlandish. I thought of adding Draggin Jeans atleast and maybe upgrading my gloves.... Macadams- second of all I just replaced my tires on my 92 NH 750 which needed to be replaced from the stock bias ply Dunlaps to Macadam 90x. I thought I was riding a different bike home. In retrospect, knowing what I do now, I would have swapped off the Dunlops brand new. So I applaud those NH riders who have switched to Progressive shocks, but an easy fix with a big difference is the Michelon radials. I have a much better patch now. schools- I have been through the MSF school down in VA Beach. Now I want something the next notch up and have no interest in racing... options? motorcycle mag- knowing what I ride and my lack of interest in racing what are the best motorcycle mag options to keep up with the industry and read some good columns about experiences, maintainence et al. The equivalent of Roundel if any of you read that. Thanks. Anyone wanting to ride in No VA look me up. Brian Woodbridge Honda NH 750 '92 stock read except for bungee, compass, and thermometer Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 8 23:23:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10507.mail.yahoo.com (web10507.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f393MsU18062 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 23:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010409032252.26352.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.147.78.216] by web10507.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 08 Apr 2001 20:22:52 PDT Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 20:22:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzookus Maximus Subject: Re: Which one is Faster? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1701883128-986786572=:24966" --0-1701883128-986786572=:24966 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Matthew Rosenstock wrote: >After work Friday I was tooling down W Montgomery Ave >heading towards 270. The first thing I saw was an >absolutely gorgeous Ferrari F355 in bright Canary >Yellow. Wow. 15 seconds later, I see a bright Canary >Yellow 2001 Goldwing. That Goldwing was downright cool >looking. I'm not really into full tourers, but the >Goldwing is sharp. >Now, the question is, which vehicle is faster? Troutman wrote: > > Faster as in .... what? 1/4 mile? Top speed? 0-60? I'm sure the stats > for both are online somewhere. My guess is that the Ferrari wins all > three. SuperBike (that English mag) did a test in their November 1998 issue. They didn't do any road course trials just flat out on an airstrip. SuperCars: Ferrari 355 F1, Porsche 911 GT2, Jaguar XJ220 SuperBikes: Ducati 996SPS (Foggy replica), Honda CBR1100XX, Suzuki GSX-R750 In 0-60 mph, 0-100 mph & 60-130 mph the bikes killed the cars. Only in total top speed did the cars win (although not the Ferrari which was slower in the top end than all the bikes). [attached is a jpeg with the charts scanned from the mag] Ferrari 355 F1 0-60: 7.6s 0-100: 14.8s 60-130: 16.2s Max Speed: 155@XXXXXX Porsche 911 GT2 0-60: 4.8s 0-100: 9.4s 60-130: 10.3s Max Speed: 170@34s Jaguar XJ220 0-60: 5.8s 0-100: 10.3s 60-130: 9.6s Max Speed: 187@XXXXXX Ducati 996SPS (Foggy replica) 0-60: 3.5s 0-100: 7.1s 60-130: 7.9s Max Speed: 162@XXXXXX Honda CBR1100XX 0-60: 3.5s 0-100: 7.0s 60-130: 7.9s Max Speed: 176@XXXXXX Suzuki GSX-R750 0-60: 3.47s 0-100: 6.6s 60-130: 7.73s Max Speed: 161@XXXXXX My guess is that the 2001 GSX-R1000 would kill any new $100,000+ car out there and for that money you could get a full works race bike from the factory that would waste the cars even more! :0 -jeff ===== ->bike: '00 GSX-R750 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 23:23:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2001 03:23:52.0520 (UTC) FILETIME=[803FAC80:01C0C0A4] > > this one is considered measureable. And because of it, we've got > > tons of under-geared street bikes out there that pull way too many > > revs at highway speeds, making for uncomfortable cruising. > > > > Ever hear of an overdrive? Ever wish your bike had one? I > > still catch myself looking for 7th gear on the Connie occasionally. Oh, you're just mad because you have a shaftie! ;) I can go buy an overdrive for my chain driven bike for oh, $15 or so... Aaron S. Ward (just joking around) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 07:30:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39BUpU26091 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (p58.a1.du.radix.net [207.192.129.58]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA25940; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD19D54.9040403@radix.net> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 07:30:28 -0400 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Brian N. Bowes, M.D." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: new to area References: <200103160001.f2G01Lu07433@dirty.meretrix.com> <000c01c0c091$bc066320$fc329d40@neophytz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian N. Bowes, M.D. wrote: > I am not sure that I have posted before, just a regular lurker with some > accumulated questions I wanted opinions on: > > Armor- I dress for the crash not the ride as I saw it well put, but for > that all year round is the same plan, full face, leather jacket, jeans, > leather gloves and leather boots. I wanted to add some more protection at > 1. a reasonable price and 2. without looking as though I were in a zoot > suit, no offense intented. > Being a standard naked street bike kind of guy, and that is coming back > in ... the protection should be that, standard not too outlandish. I > thought of adding Draggin Jeans atleast and maybe upgrading my gloves.... Welcome Brian. www.aerostich.com. Yeah, it's a full suit, but more conservative looking than the Edwards replica suit ;-) Stich's are very handy with pockets, provide some rain resistance, reasonable armor options etc... > > Macadams- second of all I just replaced my tires on my 92 NH 750 which > needed to be replaced from the stock bias ply Dunlaps to Macadam 90x. I > thought I was riding a different bike home. In retrospect, knowing what I > do now, I would have swapped off the Dunlops brand new. So I applaud those > NH riders who have switched to Progressive shocks, but an easy fix with a > big difference is the Michelon radials. I have a much better patch now. > > schools- I have been through the MSF school down in VA Beach. Now I want > something the next notch up and have no interest in racing... options? MSF ERC ? > > motorcycle mag- knowing what I ride and my lack of interest in racing what > are the best motorcycle mag options to keep up with the industry and read > some good columns about experiences, maintainence et al. The equivalent of > Roundel if any of you read that. Fortunately, I had flame proofing put on the Stich this year Most of the moto rags have a good deal of fluff in them. Not to mention the 'ringer' bikes they get sometimes. The 2 I like are Motorcycle Consumer news & Road Racing world. I get the rest too, but IMHO, I get more useful info out of these 2... HTH. > > Thanks. > Anyone wanting to ride in No VA look me up. Don't be a stranger ... or lurker. -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 08:15:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39CFgU26772 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-54-175.s175.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.54.175] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14maa4-0004Yi-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 08:15:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c0c0ee$b6afd520$af362c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: References: <200104082301.f38N1Ll14017@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: Which one is faster Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:15:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: Dale Horstman James Reazor wrote: > As far as I'm concerned, the most important number is 60-80 top gear > roll-on. Aaaaauuuuugggggghhhhhhh! I HATE that stat! Motorcycle manufacturers worry about looking bad in any measurable area, and for some reason this one is considered measureable. And because of it, we've got tons of under-geared street bikes out there that pull way too many revs at highway speeds, making for uncomfortable cruising. Ever hear of an overdrive? Ever wish your bike had one? I still catch myself looking for 7th gear on the Connie occasionally. If I want to pass something quickly, I'm willing to downshift for it - besides, I ENJOY downshifting for it. Horkster ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- If you HAVE 6 gears Dale, you HAVE an overdrive. Sheesh, it ain't car you know. If I recall correctly, my old Shadow 500 had 6 gears, the 6th being an overdrive gear....AND it was a shafty :) T From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 08:29:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39CTbU26976 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-54-175.s175.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.54.175] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14manY-00062Q-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 08:29:36 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c0c0f0$a899a720$af362c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Mason Dixon 20-20 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:29:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 06:48:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Folks, just wanted to let you know that there is only a week left if you want to sign up for the Mason Dixon 20-20 rally in time to get a shirt at the rally itself. Full details are available on the Mason Dixon 20-20 web page, http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ Who on Gods green earth would want to slog 1000+ miles over the course of 30 hours. That's Crazy-Talk! Butt, in case you are interested to know, of the 54 listed entrants, 5 of them are DC-Cycles types: Dale Horstman, Traci Horstman, Me (Todd), John Kozyn, Craig Johnston. And just so y'all know it, Craig is riding a CBR900RR and John's on a VFR750. This thing ain't limited to wussy ST1100 riders you know. This event is open to all riders. If you really think you couldn't ride this many miles in such a short time, you've never really tried. It is daunting and it does seem crazy to those that have never attempted it, but let me tell you....in the end, it is a blast. And besides, it ain't all about riding big miles. A lot of it is strategy and step by step bonus hunting. I sure would like to see at LEAST ten DC-Cycles listed in here. Todd (springfield) From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 09:26:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39DQkU27857 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f39DQeS13497 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:26:40 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010409092259.034848f0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:26:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Which one is Faster? In-Reply-To: <20010409032252.26352.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:22 PM 4/8/01, Suzookus Maximus wrote: >Ferrari 355 F1 >0-60: 7.6s I am surprised by this slow stat. The question pitted a Goldwing against the Ferrari. I know most bikes are faster than most cars, but I would imagine these stats are fairly close to (if not better than) the Goldwing: Porsche 911 GT2 0-60: 4.8s 0-100: 9.4s 60-130: 10.3s Max Speed: 170@34s ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA Buy my HELMET CAM! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1228132392 "Any lie will find believers as long as you tell it with force." --Greta Garbo in "Queen Christina" From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 09:36:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from host26.cedant.com (host26.cedant.com [209.239.37.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39DaTU28097 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chris (66-2-186-193.customer.algx.net [66.2.186.193] (may be forged)) by host26.cedant.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f39DaRN05997; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:36:27 -0400 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Brian N. Bowes, M.D." , Subject: RE: new to area Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 03:35:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <000c01c0c091$bc066320$fc329d40@neophytz> Importance: Normal Well, let's see... Draggin jeans are okay, but not as good as leather or cordura. You'll need to make the choice based on your own level of acceptable safety. I know it's inconvenient to go to work (for example) and have to change or pull off your riding pants. You could look into an Aerostich suit, which go on and come off easily and offer reasonable protection. I applaud your idea of upgrading your gloves - I think a lot of riders are going around with flimsy, dangerous ones. Schools - you could take the Experienced Rider Course that's offered by the same folks as the ones you used for your original course (the MSF). I personally think it's of dubious value, but others disagree. You could also look into one of the track schools - many of these focus on good cornering skills, which is useful even on the street. They don't usually teach street safety related stuff like lane positioning though, as I understand it. Magazines - for you I'd recommend the British magazines RiDE and Bike. They are far more interesting and have many more (and better) articles and photos than the American publications. The downside is that they are more expensive (around $7.50 each) and may be hader to find. Barnes and Noble and Borders sell these titles. Smaller shops like WaldenBooks and Crown Books sometimes do, sometimes don't. Performance Bikes and SuperBike are good British publications too, but as you may guess, they cater more to the sportbike crowd. Good luck and welcome to the list, Chris Weaver VTR, YSR, EARA#24 -----Original Message----- From: Brian N. Bowes, M.D. [mailto:bnbowesmd@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 9:01 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: new to area I am not sure that I have posted before, just a regular lurker with some accumulated questions I wanted opinions on: Armor- I dress for the crash not the ride as I saw it well put, but for that all year round is the same plan, full face, leather jacket, jeans, leather gloves and leather boots. I wanted to add some more protection at 1. a reasonable price and 2. without looking as though I were in a zoot suit, no offense intented. Being a standard naked street bike kind of guy, and that is coming back in ... the protection should be that, standard not too outlandish. I thought of adding Draggin Jeans atleast and maybe upgrading my gloves.... Macadams- second of all I just replaced my tires on my 92 NH 750 which needed to be replaced from the stock bias ply Dunlaps to Macadam 90x. I thought I was riding a different bike home. In retrospect, knowing what I do now, I would have swapped off the Dunlops brand new. So I applaud those NH riders who have switched to Progressive shocks, but an easy fix with a big difference is the Michelon radials. I have a much better patch now. schools- I have been through the MSF school down in VA Beach. Now I want something the next notch up and have no interest in racing... options? motorcycle mag- knowing what I ride and my lack of interest in racing what are the best motorcycle mag options to keep up with the industry and read some good columns about experiences, maintainence et al. The equivalent of Roundel if any of you read that. Thanks. Anyone wanting to ride in No VA look me up. Brian Woodbridge Honda NH 750 '92 stock read except for bungee, compass, and thermometer Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 09:39:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11207.mail.yahoo.com (web11207.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.189]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f39Dd3U28107 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010409133902.47143.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11207.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 06:39:02 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 06:39:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Which one is Faster? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010409092259.034848f0@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't the bike mags have the stats for the new Goldwing in the stats summary? --- Troutman wrote: > At 11:22 PM 4/8/01, Suzookus Maximus wrote: > >Ferrari 355 F1 > >0-60: 7.6s > > I am surprised by this slow stat. The question > pitted a Goldwing against > the Ferrari. I know most bikes are faster than most > cars, but I would > imagine these stats are fairly close to (if not > better than) the Goldwing: > > Porsche 911 GT2 > 0-60: 4.8s > 0-100: 9.4s > 60-130: 10.3s > Max Speed: 170@34s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 09:50:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39DoTU28323 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f39DoNS13563 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:50:23 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010409094351.02b1b7c0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:50:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: PowerSport Auction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed So...who all went to the PS auction in Falls Church this weekend? I went with a friend to look around. Lots of good parts that resemble bikes, and several bikes that were older than I am. Were these mainly bikes people brought in for repair and then abandoned? That is what it looked like. Lots of missing plastic, missing windscreens, shattered lights, etc... Wound up spending more time inside sitting on everything I have been reading about ;-) The new GSXR-750 is actually more comfortable than I thought it would be from reading the rags. The bumblebee yellow/black 929 is really sharp. I don't think much has changed from the Coleman's days. Prices still suck on accessories. A new plain Jane red RF-900 helmet was selling for $369 I believe. They had a FULL HOUSE of people. I looked for dc-cycles faces, but the few I approached were only look-a-likes. Never did hear them actually auction a bike, and we were there from 12:30 to 1:30. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA Buy my HELMET CAM! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=122813239 "Any lie will find believers as long as you tell it with force." --Greta Garbo in "Queen Christina" From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 10:04:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from portal.east.saic.com (portal.east.saic.com [198.151.13.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f39E4aU28486 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mclmx.saic.com by portal.east.saic.com via smtpd (for dsl027-137-007.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 9 Apr 2001 14:04:36 UT Received: from mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com by mclmx.mail.saic.com; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:04:16 -0400 Received: from mcl-its-exbh01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.11]) by mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2001040909594008021 ; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:59:40 -0400 Received: by mcl-its-exbh01.saic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <23HMGAHB>; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:04:23 -0400 Message-Id: <6B3D994408CBD11182B300805F15FCBB0255637C@us-mclean-03.mail.saic.com> From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: PowerSport Auction Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:59:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I didn't go to the auction but I'll second the notion on the suckie prices. I jumped through all their sales "hoops" to present myself as a willing & able buyer on an R1, even plopped the platinum card on the desk in front of her. The best they were willing to go was $100 off list, plus setup, etc., etc. Sorry but if I can save a grand by driving a few hours to make a pickup, I'm doing it. I'd pay a few extra bones to stay local, but not a thousand. That's my $.02. PS> Does anyone know why sales managers are REQUIRED to wear tacky gold jewelry??????? -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:50 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: PowerSport Auction So...who all went to the PS auction in Falls Church this weekend? I went with a friend to look around. Lots of good parts that resemble bikes, and several bikes that were older than I am. Were these mainly bikes people brought in for repair and then abandoned? That is what it looked like. Lots of missing plastic, missing windscreens, shattered lights, etc... Wound up spending more time inside sitting on everything I have been reading about ;-) The new GSXR-750 is actually more comfortable than I thought it would be from reading the rags. The bumblebee yellow/black 929 is really sharp. I don't think much has changed from the Coleman's days. Prices still suck on accessories. A new plain Jane red RF-900 helmet was selling for $369 I believe. They had a FULL HOUSE of people. I looked for dc-cycles faces, but the few I approached were only look-a-likes. Never did hear them actually auction a bike, and we were there from 12:30 to 1:30. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA Buy my HELMET CAM! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=122813239 "Any lie will find believers as long as you tell it with force." --Greta Garbo in "Queen Christina" From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 10:12:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39ECoU28654 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f39ECiS13628 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:12:44 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010409101058.02bdcdd0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:12:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Oops...Power Ride! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I don't know where I got PowerSport from. Maybe from the old Coleman's name. 80 degrees and my bike is in the shop. I was able to put 150 on it Friday - and it was BEAUTIFUL. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA Buy my HELMET CAM! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1228132392 "Any lie will find believers as long as you tell it with force." --Greta Garbo in "Queen Christina" From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 10:39:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe3.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.107]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39EddU29117 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:39:32 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [134.113.230.80] From: "Paul Hutchins" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20010409032252.26352.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Which one is Faster? Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:39:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2001 14:39:32.0490 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3F42EA0:01C0C102] That 355 must've had a few bad plugs. Do they come with a check engine light? All the 0-60 times I've seen for the 355s have been high 4's to low 5's. Maybe they were short-shifting to save fuel. :-p Hutch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzookus Maximus" To: Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 11:22 PM Subject: Re: Which one is Faster? [snip] > Ferrari 355 F1 > 0-60: 7.6s > 0-100: 14.8s > 60-130: 16.2s > Max Speed: 155@XXXXXX > -jeff [snip] From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 10:47:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39ElPU29303 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GBJ00MCL4ZJ90@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:45:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GBJ00A014ZHI3@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 14:45:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GBJ0091L4YLTQ@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 14:44:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:43:44 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Which one is faster To: Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AD1CAA0.E06404B9@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200104082301.f38N1Ll14017@dirty.meretrix.com> <000e01c0c0ee$b6afd520$af362c42@c9rnf01> Todd Peer wrote: > If you HAVE 6 gears Dale, you HAVE an overdrive. Sheesh, it ain't car you > know. > > If I recall correctly, my old Shadow 500 had 6 gears, the 6th being an > overdrive gear....AND it was a shafty :) Yeah, I know, technically 6th gear on the Connie is an overdrive, I just wish it was a little bit taller than what it is. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 10:50:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f39EoVU29422 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17045 invoked by uid 1001); 9 Apr 2001 14:50:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20010409145030.17044.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:50:29 -0500 Subject: MC gearing Todd Peer saith: > If you HAVE 6 gears Dale, you HAVE an overdrive. Sheesh, it ain't car you > know. Not on my Trident. I have 6 gears but they are tightly spaced. I keep looking for 7th as well. I feel that I should only be pulling 3500rpm or so at 65mph indicated (true is probably 60) Shoot my Nighthawk only has 5 gears and it spins 4000 RPM at 60mph. 3000 RPM in 3rd = 30mph 4000 RPM in 3rd = 42mph 4000 RPM in 4th = 50mph 4000 RPM in 5th = 55mph 4000 RPM in 6th = 63mph 5000 RPM in 6th = 74mph 5500 RPM in 6th = 80mph -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 10:56:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39EuaU29452 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GBJ00LOI5HS9M@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:56:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GBJ00G015HI10@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 14:56:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GBJ00DEP5GVDG@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 14:55:43 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:54:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Which one is Faster? To: Paul Hutchins Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <3AD1CD32.60483AC6@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010409032252.26352.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Paul Hutchins wrote: > All the 0-60 times I've seen for the 355s have been high 4's to low 5's. > Maybe they were short-shifting to save fuel. :-p I think the new Goldwing can do 0-60 in about 4 seconds flat, maybe 4.1. It was really close to what the Connie can do (and the Concours is only giving away 800cc). Have to dig out the MCN article. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 11:01:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39F10U29619 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GBJ004ST5P48M@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:00:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GBJ00I015OO0L@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 15:00:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GBJ00GC95OBO7@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 15:00:11 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:59:11 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Which one is Faster? To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AD1CE3F.F8CE3F80@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010409092259.034848f0@mail.troutman.org> Troutman wrote: > > At 11:22 PM 4/8/01, Suzookus Maximus wrote: > >Ferrari 355 F1 > >0-60: 7.6s > > I am surprised by this slow stat. The question pitted a Goldwing against > the Ferrari. Of course, if we throw a few curves into the equation, the advantage goes back to the 4-wheelers. Cars generally can carry higher cornering speeds than bikes can (bikes are way more sensitive to bad pavement or gravel in corners, cars have more contact patches, and drifting all the wheels is no big deal in a cage). -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 11:05:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39F53U29708 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-46-166.s166.tnt4.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.166] helo=pawilson) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14mdDu-0007Pp-00 ; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:04:59 -0400 Message-ID: <037701c0c106$b2fd8ea0$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Brian N. Bowes, M.D." Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <200103160001.f2G01Lu07433@dirty.meretrix.com> <000c01c0c091$bc066320$fc329d40@neophytz> Subject: Re: new to area Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:05:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Brian, there are several of us in the area heading up to the Reg Pridmore CLASS track school in Pa. in June. It gets high marks as one of the more street oriented track schools. I took the MSF ERC and it's beneficial, as far as it goes. If you have more than a year of riding under your belt, you may find it a bit elementary, though, and frankly a bit of a bore. I took it with a year of riding experience and I seemingly had the most seat time of anyone out there. It's largely geared for riders who have their endorsements and don't want to take the novice course. The advantage is that you get coaching and feedback on your skills as performed on your own bike, rather than a training bike. I can't recommend the Aerostich highly enough. I succumb to the temptation to wear Draggin Jeans around town (DC). I _do not_ wear them on the highway. They are the bare minimum for low speed leg protection, but that's the personal comfort level I have in the sweat v. bleed tradeoff. Gloves: don't skimp. Hands often bear the brunt of even the most minor get offs. I just imagine sliding into home plate, hands first, on asphalt, with flimsy gloves. Paul in DC 91 CB750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian N. Bowes, M.D. > I am not sure that I have posted before, just a regular lurker with some > accumulated questions I wanted opinions on: > > Armor- I dress for the crash not the ride as I saw it well put, but for > that all year round is the same plan, full face, leather jacket, jeans, > leather gloves and leather boots. I wanted to add some more protection at > 1. a reasonable price and 2. without looking as though I were in a zoot > suit, no offense intented. > Being a standard naked street bike kind of guy, and that is coming back > in ... the protection should be that, standard not too outlandish. I > thought of adding Draggin Jeans atleast and maybe upgrading my gloves.... > > schools- I have been through the MSF school down in VA Beach. Now I want > something the next notch up and have no interest in racing... options? From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 11:14:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kafka.net.nih.gov (kafka.net.nih.gov [165.112.130.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39FEZU29831 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.231.204.107] (pk.niaaa.nih.gov [128.231.204.107]) by kafka.net.nih.gov (8.11.3/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f39FEY924036 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010409145030.17044.qmail@theglobe.com> References: <20010409145030.17044.qmail@theglobe.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:15:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Harley refurb runs on soybean oil Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I thought this inventive... http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/carroll/bal-ca.soy00apr080.story?coll=bal%2Dlocal%2Dcarroll Garage inventor's slick trick is running cycle on soybean oil Clean: Custom bike gets 100 miles to the gallon and smells like McDonald's fries. By Jeffrey Bair Associated Press Originally published April 8, 2001 ALBION, Pa. - Harold Benich's favorite recipe calls or a couple of gallons of soybean oil. It may sound greasy, but then again, it will take him 200 miles on his modified Harley-Davidson Fat Boy. From mail-order parts and an old diesel engine, Benich has assembled what is believed to be the nation's first motorcycle that runs entirely on soybean oil, according to the National Biodiesel Board in Jefferson City, Mo. ... (article continues) From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 11:25:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f39FPKU00188 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29795 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2001 15:25:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20010409152519.29794.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 08:25:19 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:25:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Which one is Faster? To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <001401c0c08d$79f20600$8501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Horkster wrote: > > Aaaaauuuuugggggghhhhhhh! I HATE that stat! > > Ever hear of an overdrive? Ever wish your bike > had one? I > > still catch myself looking for 7th gear on the > Connie occasionally. Mine used to have that problem. Then I replaced the front sprocket. Now I ride in 5th unless I'm cruising above 70 on the highway. 5th gear is a nice comfortable 5000 RPM at 55. 6th gives 6000 between 72 and 75. I'll run it a couple more tanks of fuel and see if the mileage in 5th is worse than it was with the smaller sprocket. If it is, then I'll put the stock gearing back on except for trips. It takes about a half hour to change, 15 minutes to change the sprocket and another 15 to clean the grease off of everything. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 11:26:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f39FQsU00199 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:33:27 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:23:57 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: new to area Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f39FSFU00200 I was out yesterday and noticed quite a few riders who when I waved to them, were waving back not wearing gloves. George Cole 00 VFR >>> "Paul Wilson" < WROTE> SNIP " Gloves: don't skimp. Hands often bear the brunt of even the most minor getoffs. I just imagine sliding into home plate, hands first, on asphalt, with flimsy gloves." From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 11:34:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11503.mail.yahoo.com (web11503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f39FYhU00353 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010409153441.53174.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web11503.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 08:34:41 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:34:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: (off topic) Watch out for this! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think this guy has my Magna beat in 1/4 mile times... Glenn http://webpages.krausonline.com/spaul/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 11:48:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39FmDU00598 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f39FmBK27669 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:48:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: (off topic) Watch out for this! In-Reply-To: <20010409153441.53174.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Glenn Dysart wrote: >I think this guy has my Magna beat in 1/4 mile >times... >http://webpages.krausonline.com/spaul/ That's hilarious! I'll keep my eyes out for the stealthy wood paneling... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcoffroad/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 12:04:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f39G4hU00898 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:11:26 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:03:34 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: Re: new to area Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f39G7OU00899 For a lot of riders it was likely the fist ride of the season and they were too busy riding to notice I was on a Honda .... Until it was too late. HA HA George 00 VFR >>> Brian Bowes wrote SNIP [At least they were waving back. I have even had good luck with the Harley guys lately from my Rice burner Honda. ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: "George Cole" Subject: Re: new to area Date: 04/09/2001 10:23am I was out yesterday and noticed quite a few riders who when I waved to them, were waving back not wearing gloves. George Cole 00 VFR >>> "Paul Wilson" < WROTE> SNIP " Gloves: don't skimp. Hands often bear the brunt of even the most minor getoffs. I just imagine sliding into home plate, hands first, on asphalt, with flimsy gloves." From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 12:18:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11502.mail.yahoo.com (web11502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f39GIsU01127 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010409161853.62050.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web11502.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:18:53 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:18:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Which one is faster To: Dale Horstman , Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3AD1CAA0.E06404B9@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not true, the number of gears has nothing to do with the term "overdrive". Overdrive has to do with the gear ratio. If your drivetrain is putting out more RPM's then your engine, you are overdriven. Glenn > Todd Peer wrote: > > > If you HAVE 6 gears Dale, you HAVE an overdrive. > Sheesh, it ain't car you > > know. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 12:31:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from host26.cedant.com (host26.cedant.com [209.239.37.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39GVTU01346 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chris (66-2-186-193.customer.algx.net [66.2.186.193]) by host26.cedant.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f39GVSc01661 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:31:28 -0400 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: Good Weather & Waves Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 06:30:18 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal I went out to 211 yesterday and saw a LOT of bikes. About 60% sportbikes, 40% cruisers. I think everyone that I waved to (and I wave to everyone) waved back. What a beautiful day it turned out to be too. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR -----Original Message----- From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:04 PM To: bnbowesmd@XXXXXX; pawilson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: new to area For a lot of riders it was likely the fist ride of the season and they were too busy riding to notice I was on a Honda .... Until it was too late. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 12:42:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39Gg1U01518 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.47]) id QQkkak09774 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:42:01 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkkak12761 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:41:40 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:41:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Voltage regulator/rectifier Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Alright, who's that bastard that was talking about their R/R dying a few weeks ago? You jinxed my bike!!! (j/k) Anywho, Loudoun Motorsports wants $177 for a new R/R for my bike. (A 1993 CBR1000F) Forgive me for not paying attention then, but would someone be so kind as to re-mention the cheaper alternatives? Thanks very much. (80 degrees outside and I don't have a damn bike to ride....) -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA Novice #230, MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 12:49:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39GncU01597 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f39GnWS14148 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:49:32 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010409124639.02c2e550@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 12:49:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Voltage regulator/rectifier In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Bwahahaha. My parents were married when I was born, but besides the bastard comment I think you meant me. HOM - Honda of Milpitas, PRC is my new favorite source for parts. This is my new favorite website too: http://www.engrish.com/ Call HOM and ask for parts, or check 'em out online: http://www.hondamil.com/ At 12:41 PM 4/9/01, Sean Jordan wrote: >Alright, who's that bastard that was talking about their R/R dying a few >weeks ago? You jinxed my bike!!! (j/k) Anywho, Loudoun Motorsports wants >$177 for a new R/R for my bike. (A 1993 CBR1000F) Forgive me for not >paying attention then, but would someone be so kind as to re-mention the >cheaper alternatives? Thanks very much. (80 degrees outside and I don't >have a damn bike to ride....) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA Buy my HELMET CAM! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1228132392 "Any lie will find believers as long as you tell it with force." --Greta Garbo in "Queen Christina" From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 13:01:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (es05.hosts.jhmi.edu [162.129.224.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39H16U01817 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (stevendipietro.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.91]) by es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19544; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD1E80C.8227FFEE@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 12:49:17 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "D.C.Cycles-L" , suzuki-bikes Subject: Immortal Biker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.yankeecruisah.com/ImmortalBiker/ImmortalBiker.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 14:06:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11507.mail.yahoo.com (web11507.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f39I61U02784 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010409180600.67917.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web11507.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:06:00 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Voltage regulator/rectifier To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Two words, mail order. When I replaced my R/R on the Magna a few years back, the local stealer, I mean dealer wanted abut $175. I got it from Riverside Honda in NY for $120. John Kozyn knows of an even cheaper mail order Honda place and its not Milpitas Honda. I've not found them to be anywhere near the cheapest. Glenn --- Sean Jordan wrote: > Alright, who's that bastard that was talking about > their R/R dying a > few weeks ago? You jinxed my bike!!! (j/k) Anywho, > Loudoun > Motorsports wants $177 for a new R/R for my bike. (A > 1993 CBR1000F) > Forgive me for not paying attention then, but would > someone be so > kind as to re-mention the cheaper alternatives? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 14:07:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@[151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f39I7qU02787 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id NAA07774; Mon, 9 Apr 1973 13:11:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 1973 13:11:06 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Sean Jordan cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Voltage regulator/rectifier In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You *can* ride for a good while if you charge up your battery, pull the headlight fuse, don't use the electric starter, horn, and turn signals. Not recommended, but do-able. On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Sean Jordan wrote: > Alright, who's that bastard that was talking about their R/R dying a > few weeks ago? You jinxed my bike!!! (j/k) Anywho, Loudoun > Motorsports wants $177 for a new R/R for my bike. (A 1993 CBR1000F) > Forgive me for not paying attention then, but would someone be so > kind as to re-mention the cheaper alternatives? Thanks very much. (80 > degrees outside and I don't have a damn bike to ride....) > > -- > "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the > skillful defiance of it." > > -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) > > Sean Jordan > Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing > '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) > '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) > WERA Novice #230, MARRC member #3038 > http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html > From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 14:44:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39IihU03340 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.47]) id QQkkas03787 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:44:42 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkkas15515 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:44:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010409180600.67917.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010409180600.67917.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:44:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Voltage regulator/rectifier Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > John Kozyn knows of an even >cheaper mail order Honda place and its not Milpitas >Honda. Mr. Kozyn, would you care to step up to the microphone? So far, we have Loudoun Motorsports $177 The Evil Empire (Powerride) $169 Milpitas Honda $128 -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA Novice #230, MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 14:51:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39IpAU03488 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GBJ00ABAGAV7D@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:49:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GBJ00M01GAM2A@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:49:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0GBJ00L2OGAHV9@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:49:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 14:48:29 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Which one is Faster? To: Leon Begeman Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <3AD203FD.EF730F14@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010409152519.29794.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Leon Begeman wrote: > > Horkster wrote: > > > Aaaaauuuuugggggghhhhhhh! I HATE that stat! > > > > Ever hear of an overdrive? Ever wish your bike > > had one? I > > > still catch myself looking for 7th gear on the > > Connie occasionally. > > Mine used to have that problem. Then I replaced the > front sprocket. Now I ride in 5th unless I'm cruising > above 70 on the highway. 5th gear is a nice > comfortable 5000 RPM at 55. 6th gives 6000 between 72 > and 75. Was that just a one-tooth size change in the front sprocket? > I'll run it a couple more tanks of fuel and see if the > mileage in 5th is worse than it was with the smaller > sprocket. How is it otherwise? Gotta slip the clutch more taking off or anything? > If it is, then I'll put the stock gearing > back on except for trips. It takes about a half hour > to change, 15 minutes to change the sprocket and > another 15 to clean the grease off of everything. Ick. That's a one-hour-long violation of IBA Rule #5 before every trip. You're just asking for trouble, eh? :) Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 15:18:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39JI8U03951 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-79.patriot.net [209.249.180.79]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f39JI0Y03954; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:18:01 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD20992.3741DD73@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 15:12:18 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Voltage regulator/rectifier References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, if it was a Harley, $77 would do the job. That's what I paid for a new one, only to discover that a secret quirk in the alternator plug was the problem, $0 to fix that. Bill Sean Jordan wrote: > Alright, who's that bastard that was talking about their R/R dying a > few weeks ago? You jinxed my bike!!! (j/k) Anywho, Loudoun > Motorsports wants $177 for a new R/R for my bike. (A 1993 CBR1000F) > Forgive me for not paying attention then, but would someone be so > kind as to re-mention the cheaper alternatives? Thanks very much. (80 > degrees outside and I don't have a damn bike to ride....) > > -- > "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the > skillful defiance of it." > > -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) > > Sean Jordan > Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing > '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) > '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) > WERA Novice #230, MARRC member #3038 > http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 15:39:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39JdaU04283 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GBJ00G93IKF2D@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:38:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GBJ00H01IK4QZ@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 19:38:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GBJ00DIGIJVFP@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 19:38:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 15:37:18 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: AWSHIDT - finally started To: Concours Owners Group , LDR Chat , DC Cycles List Message-id: <3AD20F6E.B8C1548@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Just in case anyone was wondering, I kicked off (finally!) my American Wanderings Sequential Highway Tour (AWSHIDT) today by snagging pics of SR 28 and SR 7 here in Virginia. The goal is to get pic's of route signs numbered 1 thru 99. (with a few mandatory roads thrown in). Got a few more to snag between now and October... It might not be too late to join if you are interested: http://www.4seasonsroadriders.com/ Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 15:52:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f249.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.249]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39JpxU04528 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:40:14 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 19:40:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: sjordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Voltage regulator/rectifier Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 15:40:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2001 19:40:14.0794 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6014AA0:01C0C12C] Sean, Here are some more places for you to try: http://store.yahoo.com/azmotorsports/index.html http://www3.sympatico.ca/dyno/dynamo.htm http://www.westernhonda.com/ http://www.discounthondaparts.com/ http://www.hondafunmachines.com/ Happy Shopping! Rob '98 VFR800 >From: Sean Jordan >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Voltage regulator/rectifier >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:44:12 -0400 > >> John Kozyn knows of an even >>cheaper mail order Honda place and its not Milpitas >>Honda. > >Mr. Kozyn, would you care to step up to the microphone? So far, we have > >Loudoun Motorsports $177 >The Evil Empire (Powerride) $169 >Milpitas Honda $128 > > > >-- >"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the >skillful defiance of it." > >-Ernest Becker (1924-1974) > >Sean Jordan >Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing >'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) >'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) >WERA Novice #230, MARRC member #3038 >http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 16:00:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f39K0tU04698 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010409200054.1553.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.192] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:00:54 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:00:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Voltage regulator/rectifier To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: mr_vfr@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii jk is on digest mode i'll forward this mail to him now --- Sean Jordan wrote: > > John Kozyn knows of an even > >cheaper mail order Honda place and its not Milpitas > >Honda. > > Mr. Kozyn, would you care to step up to the microphone? > So far, we have > > Loudoun Motorsports $177 > The Evil Empire (Powerride) $169 > Milpitas Honda $128 ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 17:13:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from usnews.com (usnews.com [209.116.158.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f39LDOU05800 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UBOSER (UBOSER [10.150.101.26]) by usn-dc2.usnews.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/4c.ahim) with ESMTP id ha048887 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:13:37 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010409171255.00b21d60@ntpop.usnews.com> X-Sender: editboser@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:13:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ulrich Boser Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 04/07/01 In-Reply-To: <200104072301.f37N1Lf21878@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed How to Back-Flip a Motorcycle according to the NYT http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/08/magazine/08BACKFLIP.html At 07:01 PM 4/7/01 -0400, you wrote: > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list >(__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. > =( \___/ )= > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > \ || || / > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: > \| |/ dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX > |_| > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 18:57:34 -0700 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From: Stephen Harris >Subject: Trailers > >Here is a recycled Conan the Tuner column I wrote back in Aug of '93 for >the MARRC newsletter on the subject of trailers. Some good tips, some funny. > >***************************************** > >Trailers.... > > Racing is the activity that we all enjoy so much, but I've always > felt is >was odd that this activity was connected to a activity that we all hate so >much...getting our stuff to and from the races. > > How many times have you been up to one o'clock in the morning, > not putting >that ultra hot motor together, not driving to a national in some obscure >god forsaken place, but trying to pack your '83 chevette & three rail >trailer with all your stuff. I personally think that getting two race >bikes, one pit bike, two tool boxes, camping gear, leathers, helmets, food, >enough beer for the weekend (that's what the trailer is for) and your >racing buddy all loaded in a compact up is fun. The best part is when you >discover that the trailer lights don't work and the multimeter is in the >tool box, under a big pile of stuff in the back seat. Forty five minutes >later you discover that your buddy has the wiring to his harness on his car >screwed up, and the trailer, which was fine, now has had its polarity >reversed. > > Being stuck at home with a bad trailer is not considered to be a >misfortune for most racers. After all, each of us experienced the blinding >white hot moment when we realize that twisted pile of...of...stuffffffff, >on the side of the road is what left of our fine race equipment. These >types of occurrences are truly tragic and usually start out harmlessly >enough. For example say you only have six tie downs and two motorcycles. >No problem, two for the handle bars, and one on the back wheel for each in >case you slam on the brakes. I'll never forget seeing that dark cat run & >stop in the middle of the intersection at the bottom of the long hill and >thinking to myself, "gee that kitty sure is going to get clobbered by >traffic -- what a minute -- that cat looks like the gas tank to the >RD60..." There are few feelings worse than looking in the rear view mirror >and only seeing one bike where there should be two. > > How about the flaming axle trick. Racers will spend time & > dollars to >relieve their race bikes the burden of the smallest amount of drag. >Cranks, tranny bearings, starter clutches, alternators, beefy O-ring >chains, even wheel bearing will receive all manner of modification or >removal to exorcise the demon of friction. How many racers check the wheel >bearing on their trailers, not many. When they do check them how many >racers over tighten the axle nut on re-assembly, quite a few (after all it >looks just like a steering head bearing). How many racers pull over when >the bearing had experienced total structural failure unit is red hot >smoking with the seals on fire, more than you would think. > > Do you have a neighbor who has a nice trailer boat? Have they > ever had a >problem with their trailer? Ever wonder why these guys only get flat >tires, and never blow a wheel bearing? The answer is in a JC Whitney >catalog for about $10. Marine "Bearing Buddies" were originally designed >to keep salt water out of the bearing when launching and recovering a >trailer boat. Unlike that puny dust caps on your land lubber trailer, this >units have Zerk fitting in a spring load plate that maintains about five >PSI of pressure forcing grease into the bearing. You take a grease gun >and fill the sucker up once a year. Any moisture that gets into the >bearing when the trailer is under water will be forced out, usually however >none gets in. The best part is you never have to take the assembly apart >top change a table spoon of grease. Just whack it with the grease gun. >I've never met a person who had a bearing failure when using bearing >buddies, ever. > > Lets say you have gas can that doesn't quite seal shut, and usually >sloshes fuel out the filler & breather caps. Obviously you put it on the >trailer so you don't stink up the car with fuel that gets spilled. >Adjusting the radio, being careful not to spill your beverage, you take >your last drag off your lucky and flick it out the window. Its surpassing >just how much heat a fire on your trailer gives off at 70 mph, I'm told you >can actually feel it. The big question is do you stop, or speed up... > > Ever seen the 80 mph trailer snake dance coming done the hill on > the PA >pike? You know, your butt tired from Nelson or Mid Ohio, your probably >didn't load the trailer with enough tongue weight. Upon coming out of the >tunnels and staring down hill your rig goes into this snake dance that >makes your eye balls the size of half dollars. Getting on the brakes makes >it worse, getting on the gas makes it worse, doing nothing makes it worse, >and you're plum out of clean underwear. > > I like trying to sleep when I know the guy who is driving is > tired. You >just start to fade into sleep when...jerk...the rig gets slammed to the >right and left as the driver makes what feels like a full lock correction >because he was changing a CD and didn't see where he was going. Maybe 99% >of the time this is because he is trying not to spill his coffee, but once >in a while he actually "micro sleeps" and goes into the grass. After this >every turn he makes you slam awake and prepare for impact. > > Ever been the guy who gets stuck driving when your really tired > because >you couldn't fall asleep before? You know you would like to talk to >someone, but they are all sleeping. Try pulling over to the left until the >wheels are just hitting the bumps off the side of the road, then jerk the >wheel hard right. When the guy next to you wakes up and asks it your OK >say "Sure, I'm fine I just started to fall asleep there for a moment, go >back to sleep, you need the rest to drive in the morning." Two minutes >later the two you will be talking about racing. > > My personal favorite is when you have gotten so packed that you can't >actually see the trailer from the driver's seat. Now you have no idea what >is going on back there, and if you are on a smooth straight road you >probably wouldn't detect a uncoupling for quite some time. I cases like >this you need the Team Charm bumper sticker that reads "HONK IF I DON'T >HAVE A TRAILER WITH A MOTORCYCLE ON IT." > > >Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? >Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > >From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:31:40 EDT >Subject: Question About Wrecked Honda CBR 600 F3 (HELP) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Content-Disposition: Inline > > >--part1_6b.125ef01c.2800a8fc_boundary > >Greetings Fellow Riders! > >I have a gentleman that will sell me a wrecked Honda CBR 600 F3. The bike >needs work, and he tells me I could easily have the bike on the road after >one weekend of work. The bikes front forks are bent, can they be bent back >or would I have to buy new forks? The plastics on the bike are in bad shape, >I was thinking about just buying all new plastics, it needs a new gas tanks, >a new oil cap...the bike is leaking oil, needs a new gauge board, and a head >light and rear light plastics. Does anyone have any clue how much it would >cost me to fix this bike up and get it in the road. Is this a good >investment, he is asking $2,000 or better. Someone speak to me I need your >help bad. Thanks. > >Brian > >PS Horkster can you help, you seem to know a lot > >--part1_6b.125ef01c.2800a8fc_boundary > >Greetings Fellow Riders! > >I have a gentleman that will sell me a wrecked Honda CBR 600 F3. The bike >needs work, and he tells me I could easily have the bike on the road after >one weekend of work. The bikes front forks are bent, can they be bent back >or would I have to buy new forks? The plastics on the bike are in bad shape, >I was thinking about just buying all new plastics, it needs a new gas tanks, >a new oil cap...the bike is leaking oil, needs a new gauge board, and a head >light and rear light plastics. Does anyone have any clue how much it would >cost me to fix this bike up and get it in the road. Is this a good >investment, he is asking $2,000 or better. Someone speak to me I need your >help bad. Thanks. > >Brian > >PS Horkster can you help, you seem to know a lot >--part1_6b.125ef01c.2800a8fc_boundary-- > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > >From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 14:38:14 EDT >Subject: Thanks For Info, on Wrecked CBR 600 f3 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Content-Disposition: Inline > > >--part1_57.14155ae9.2800b896_boundary > >Oh my gosh! I am running very very fast! Thanks for all the information I >am in no way going to buy the bike! Something told me not to buy it but you >guys convinced me even more not to waste my time and buy it. Thanks, I can >always count on you guys. > >Brian D. Banks > Need 4 Speed & w/o a bike for this spring and summer, whats a man to do? > >--part1_57.14155ae9.2800b896_boundary > >Oh my gosh! I am running very very fast! Thanks for all the information I >am in no way going to buy the bike! Something told me not to buy it but you >guys convinced me even more not to waste my time and buy it. Thanks, I can >always count on you guys. > >Brian D. Banks >Need 4 Speed & w/o a bike for this spring and summer, whats a man to do? >--part1_57.14155ae9.2800b896_boundary-- > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > >From: "Chris Weaver" >To: , "DC Cycles" >Subject: Re: Question About Wrecked Honda CBR 600 F3 (HELP) >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 14:44:49 -0400 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > >RUN, do not walk, from this bike. It's f*cked. Given all the stuff that has >to be replaced, I'm guessing it would end up running you $3-4000 or so just >getting it back on the road. For the $5-6000 it will end up costing in >total, you can get a MUCH better bike than a crash-damaged F3. I'm also >guessing it also has a "salvage" title, which will kill your resale value. > >In short, you will get REAMED if you buy this bike. > >Crash-damaged bikes are rarely a good deal. If the insurance company thinks >it will cost more to repair than it's worth, why don't you just go buy one >that HASN'T been crashed instead of buying the crashed one, fixing it up, >and eventually paying more than you would have for a perfect one in the >first place? The only justification to buy this bike IMO is if you (1) need >a racebike, (2) want to build a streetfighter or (3) want to sell the parts >individually to make a profit. > >My 2 cents. > >Chris Weaver >VTR, YSR, dccycles.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 1:31 PM >Subject: Question About Wrecked Honda CBR 600 F3 (HELP) > > >Greetings Fellow Riders! > >I have a gentleman that will sell me a wrecked Honda CBR 600 F3. The bike >needs work, and he tells me I could easily have the bike on the road after >one weekend of work. The bikes front forks are bent, can they be bent back >or would I have to buy new forks? The plastics on the bike are in bad >shape, >I was thinking about just buying all new plastics, it needs a new gas tanks, >a new oil cap...the bike is leaking oil, needs a new gauge board, and a head >light and rear light plastics. Does anyone have any clue how much it would >cost me to fix this bike up and get it in the road. Is this a good >investment, he is asking $2,000 or better. Someone speak to me I need your >help bad. Thanks. > >Brian > >PS Horkster can you help, you seem to know a lot From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 17:41:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39LfkU06214 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (id213.megapipe.net [63.65.99.213]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA03532 for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:40:36 -0400 Message-ID: <008701c0c13d$f75543e0$d563413f@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: Subject: Re: Voltage regulator/rectifier Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:28:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 www.hondafunmachines.com Honda of Albany, GA. www.zanottimotor.com Zanotti Motors, Butler, PA. are the two cheapest places I've found recently. Zanotti especially if you already have part numbers. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Jordan" > Forgive me for not paying attention then, but would someone be so > kind as to re-mention the cheaper alternatives? Thanks very much. (80 > degrees outside and I don't have a damn bike to ride....) From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 17:47:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f39LlZU06367 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10609 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2001 21:47:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20010409214731.10608.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 14:47:31 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:47:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Which one is Faster? To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3AD203FD.EF730F14@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Went from 15 to 16 teeth on the countershaft sprocket. I can't tell any difference in the lower gears. But I don't wheelie much anyway. If I get good fuel economy in 5th around here, I'll just stay with this all the time. It does make 6th into a highway only gear, with lots of downshifting to get any speed. Leon. --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Leon Begeman wrote: > > > > Horkster wrote: > > > > Aaaaauuuuugggggghhhhhhh! I HATE that stat! > > > > > > Ever hear of an overdrive? Ever wish your > bike > > > had one? I > > > > still catch myself looking for 7th gear on the > > > Connie occasionally. > > > > Mine used to have that problem. Then I replaced > the > > front sprocket. Now I ride in 5th unless I'm > cruising > > above 70 on the highway. 5th gear is a nice > > comfortable 5000 RPM at 55. 6th gives 6000 > between 72 > > and 75. > > Was that just a one-tooth size change in the > front sprocket? > > > > I'll run it a couple more tanks of fuel and see if > the > > mileage in 5th is worse than it was with the > smaller > > sprocket. > > How is it otherwise? Gotta slip the clutch more > taking off or anything? > > > If it is, then I'll put the stock gearing > > back on except for trips. It takes about a half > hour > > to change, 15 minutes to change the sprocket and > > another 15 to clean the grease off of everything. > > Ick. That's a one-hour-long violation of IBA Rule > #5 > before every trip. You're just asking for trouble, > eh? :) > > Horkster > -- > Mandatory second line (CM tm) > > Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 > Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider > #322 > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 18:04:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39M4gU06587 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-67-179.s433.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.67.179] helo=l4rite) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14mjm5-0004tw-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:04:41 -0400 Message-ID: <008f01c0c11f$53875960$b3432c42@l4rite> From: "L4rite" To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010409094351.02b1b7c0@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: PowerSport Auction Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:03:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 So...who all went to the PS auction in Falls Church this weekend? I was up there until about 4:30....or so....I nothing I needed this year....just looking....but last year I bought a parts bike that has saved me hundreds and i've even parted out a few things and made all of my purchase price back...they had several bikes that were totalled with no title and the owner of the bike wanted like $2000 for the thing...alot of junk on the stage this year.....later Les...96Kat, From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 18:28:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f286.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f39MSuU06971 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:28:49 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 22:28:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Best place for helmets... Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:28:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2001 22:28:49.0857 (UTC) FILETIME=[730D6B10:01C0C144] Speed round! Best/Favorite places to price/order helmets online/local? Thanks. Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 18:49:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f39MnnU07305 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010409224948.2141.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.39.244] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 15:49:48 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:49:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Best place for helmets... To: Rob Keiser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii www.helmetshop.com --- Rob Keiser wrote: > Speed round! > > Best/Favorite places to price/order helmets online/local? ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 18:57:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f39MvUU07452 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 7816 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2001 15:57:23 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 9 Apr 2001 15:57:23 -0700 X-Sent: 9 Apr 2001 22:57:23 GMT Message-ID: <00f901c0c148$712db1c0$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Rob Keiser" , References: Subject: Re: Best place for helmets... Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:57:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > Best/Favorite places to price/order helmets online/local? > The best place to order a Shoei RF800 size small helmet, slightly used by a girl with very pretty smelling hair...contact me off-list...ok, rob, so this wasn't for you, but someone out there must want an extra helmet for them, their girlfriend, etc... LAG From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 19:12:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f39NCJU07766 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 15219 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2001 16:12:12 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 9 Apr 2001 16:12:12 -0700 X-Sent: 9 Apr 2001 23:12:12 GMT Message-ID: <011001c0c14a$83674de0$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: oops... Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:12:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 there was a problem with our DC Cycles hotmail account...if you have sent us anything that hasn't been put up on the site, please send it again...I promise it will get up soon. Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 20:27:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3A0RgU09006 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.e1.12efc535 (4399); Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:27:35 -0400 (EDT) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:27:33 EDT Subject: Re: Best place for helmets... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 > The best place to order a Shoei RF800 size small helmet, slightly used by a > girl with very pretty smelling hair... HMMM lets see, make a joke about your hair smelling good. Brian says how does he know that and beats me up for smelling your head, or make fun of you for pretending that your hair smells good when we know it smells like doo-doo and Brian beats me up. Damn, I don't know which way to go. I'll go drink more beer and get back to you. Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 21:28:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rasmus.futurequest.net (IDENT:qmailr@[63.151.112.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3A1SlU10017 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12165 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2001 01:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?66.61.42.108?) (66.61.42.108) by motorcyclegearreview.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2001 01:28:42 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:30:29 -0400 Subject: motorcyclegearreview.com From: David Cross To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <011001c0c14a$83674de0$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f3A1T9U10018 Hello DC Cycles folk . . . WouldnM-9t it be great if there was a web site that all motorcyclists could go to and find out what other motorcyclist thought about motorcycle specific products such as helmets, gloves, boots, etc.? Well now there is . . . Point your browser to http://www.motorcyclegearreview.com and take a look. This site has just gone live so what it needs most right now is for motorcyclists to write reviews of products they own and use. Click on any category; find a product you own and write a review which will be posted in real-time. Again, the two things this site needs most at this stage are motorcyclists submitting reviews of products they use, and any suggestions you guys might have to improve the site. Feel free to cross post this to any other lists you might know of. The more reviews written the more useful the site will be for everyone. Thanks for your time, David Cross www.motorcyclegearreview.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 22:16:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3A2GAU10796 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1876 invoked by uid 1001); 10 Apr 2001 02:16:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20010410021609.1875.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:16:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Voltage regulator/rectifier I do all of my Honda parts shopping with Shanandoah Honda unless I stuble across a better alternative. They are in Winchester, VA. 800-276-2036 -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 9 22:18:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9601.mail.yahoo.com (web9601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.180]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3A2IRU10808 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010410021826.14051.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.49.129.153] by web9601.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 19:18:26 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:18:26 -0700 (PDT) From: JK Subject: Re: Voltage regulator/rectifier To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010409200054.1553.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > jk is on digest mode > i'll forward this mail to him now Thanks Tom. > --- Sean Jordan wrote: > > > John Kozyn knows of an even > > >cheaper mail order Honda place and its not > > > Milpitas Honda. > > > Mr. Kozyn, would you care to step up to the > > > microphone? So far, we have > > Loudoun Motorsports $177 > > The Evil Empire (Powerride) $169 > > Milpitas Honda $128 Sean and other Honda owners: I have used Honda of Albany, Georgia quite often. Their OEM prices are consistently cheaper than anyone including Milpitas, which seems to be the matinee idol of the VFR list, but I digress. $128 does sound pretty good though. Even the Electrex R/R is about $135 last time I checked. Check out http://www.hondafunmachines.com . They also sell Yamaha and Kawasaki parts, btw. Hope this helps, JK 95 VFR D-mode __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 00:49:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3A4nNU13416 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 19691 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2001 21:49:15 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 9 Apr 2001 21:49:15 -0700 X-Sent: 10 Apr 2001 04:49:15 GMT Message-ID: <004901c0c179$99866820$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: DC Cycles updates-wohoooo! Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:49:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Just wanted to let you all know, although I'm not an HTML master, Mr. Roach has been kind enough to show me the ins and outs of the DC Cycles sites, and I've made a bunch of updates this evening. Check these out at www.dccycles.com Updated racing news Reorganized newbie section....look through the whole section because I need some information from all of you New article In the next few days I'm gonna try to reorganize the racing section, and add any member info that I get, so send me anything you wanted posted at my lgranato@XXXXXX address! ENJOY! LAG From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 01:09:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3A59HU13740 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010410050904.LCRP19547.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:09:04 -0700 Message-ID: <002701c0c17b$3b1146a0$8501a8c0@Home> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: Subject: Re: Good Weather & Waves Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:00:57 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 I was out on 211 for a little while yesterday. It's kind of funny really. I left the house at around 11:00 to pick up some film from the lab... 4 hours later I called my wife from some place in West Virginia to tell her I was going to be late for dinner. I don't know how these things happen but it was a good day. -James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:30 AM Subject: Good Weather & Waves > I went out to 211 yesterday and saw a LOT of bikes. About 60% sportbikes, > 40% cruisers. I think everyone that I waved to (and I wave to everyone) > waved back. What a beautiful day it turned out to be too. > > Chris Weaver > VTR, YSR > > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:04 PM > To: bnbowesmd@XXXXXX; pawilson@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: new to area > > > For a lot of riders it was likely the fist ride of the season and they were > too busy riding to notice I was on a Honda .... Until it was too late. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 07:38:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3ABc7U20350 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.80.9738ed5 (4185) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:37:59 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <80.9738ed5.28044a95@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:37:57 EDT Subject: Re: Which one is faster To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 117 In a message dated 4/9/2001 12:22:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX writes: > If your drivetrain is putting out more > RPM's then your engine, you are overdriven. > Actually that is true for a car where the input shaft turns the same speed as the crank. On a bike overdrive is when the output shaft turns faster then the input shaft, I know of few bikes where there is not a gear reduction between the crank and input shaft, and those do not claim to have an overdrive, so by car standards NO bike has overdrive. (I don't think.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 07:58:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3ABwDU20663 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-30.patriot.net [209.249.181.40] (may be forged)) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3ABwAY01228; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:58:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD2F3FB.EB4865EE@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:52:27 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Which one is faster References: <80.9738ed5.28044a95@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 4/9/2001 12:22:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Actually that is true for a car where the input shaft turns the same speed as > the crank. On a bike overdrive is when the output shaft turns faster then the > input shaft, I know of few bikes where there is not a gear reduction between > the crank and input shaft, and those do not claim to have an overdrive, so by > car standards NO bike has overdrive. (I don't think.) > Hmm... "Overdrive" usually refers to the transmission input/output ratio. Methinks my tranny has a 1:1 fifth (5 gears) ratio - no overdrive. A 6 speed with an overdirve ratio is available for mega-bucks, but the obvious fix is merely changing the belt sprockets, much like changing the axle ratio in a car. My trucks have the option of a 2.90, 3.50, or 3.99 axles. This changes the engine RPM v over the road speed significantly, even though the truck tranny has "overdrive." Stock, my bike turns about 3200 PRM at 70 MPH. And like Horkster, I've often kicked (rocker shifter - way cool) the lever in search of a non-existant sixth gear. Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 08:01:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11208.mail.yahoo.com (web11208.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.190]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3AC1gU20756 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010410120137.39822.qmail@web11208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11208.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:01:37 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:01:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: HOA To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I took my bike out of storage Sunday and left it in my fiancee's parking lot. It took the HOA nazis all of 23 hours to leave me a nastygram. I f'in hate HOAs!!!! Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 08:03:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11206.mail.yahoo.com (web11206.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.188]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3AC3eU20766 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010410120335.36305.qmail@web11206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11206.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:03:35 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:03:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Protocol To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, here's a question. What's the proper protocol when riding in a group of two or more and someone gets signaled by a LEO to pull over? Does everyone pull over or do you leave the rider to get busted? Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 08:08:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AC8EU20846 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs724762 ([192.168.0.229]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA07691; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:14:15 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Matthew Rosenstock" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Protocol Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:07:42 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20010410120335.36305.qmail@web11206.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal When I ride we have a rule that no one stops except the party being pulled over. We usually wait at the next stop. I was in a situation years ago where a friend got pulled. I turned around and came back only to be ticketed too. The officer thanked me for coming back as he didn't have my plate. Lesson learned. Gary Foreman (TL Owners Club) mailto:gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Rosenstock [mailto:m_rosenstock@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:04 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: Protocol Ok, here's a question. What's the proper protocol when riding in a group of two or more and someone gets signaled by a LEO to pull over? Does everyone pull over or do you leave the rider to get busted? Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 08:20:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.ncweb.com (ncweb.com [64.240.55.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3ACKDU21081 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([64.240.52.245]) by mail.ncweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA40361 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:23:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200104101223.IAA40361@mail.ncweb.com> From: Hahaha Subject: Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--VE74H6RW9YJK9ARSHEVGXE7" To: undisclosed-recipients:; ----VE74H6RW9YJK9ARSHEVGXE7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a *huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. 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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ----VE74H6RW9YJK9ARSHEVGXE7-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 08:26:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3ACQwU21160 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28975 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA06490 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs724762 ([192.168.0.229]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA07951 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:32:49 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Here we go again! Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:26:16 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Someone on the list is sending the Snow White virus out again. WILL IT NEVER END!@!#$@#$ Gary Foreman (TL Owners Club) mailto:gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 08:31:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from atlantic.va.grci.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [199.89.132.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3ACV2U21353 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tlawson95.va.grci.com (dtd98.va.grci.com [198.22.152.98]) by atlantic.va.grci.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f3ACV0O23187 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:31:00 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Kurt Kightly" To: Subject: 95 Concours for sale Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:31:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c0c1ba$3bcf67e0$629816c6@tlawson95.va.grci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Been on line for about a year and always have enjoyed the banter....I regretfully have to sell my bike. ANYONE INTERESTED IN A 95 KAWI CONCOURS? This low mileage garage kept bike looks almost new, 2nd owner. New Dunlops and a Corbin seat with the handlebar risers makes it a great tourer! I am having an operation in two weeks and am having some other health problems that will keep me off the bike. I will entertain any reasonable offer. Thanks, Kurt From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 08:43:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11504.mail.yahoo.com (web11504.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3ACh0U21529 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010410124255.27564.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web11504.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:42:55 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:42:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: Protocol To: Gary Foreman , Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Exactly, my words to riding friends are "If the cop is behind me don't stop, if they are behind you, I'm not stopping". No need for more then one person to get a ticket and the way I look at it is if the cop is not behind you with his lights on then you are not eluding. The two times I've been in this situation the cops have always grabbed my buddies, both warnings to them and both in Fairfax. Glenn --- Gary Foreman wrote: > When I ride we have a rule that no one stops except > the party being pulled > over. We usually wait at the next stop. I was in a > situation years ago > where a friend got pulled. I turned around and came > back only to be > ticketed too. The officer thanked me for coming > back as he didn't have my > plate. Lesson learned. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 08:59:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3ACxeU21802 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.9d.13e4b985 (2524) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:59:27 -0400 (EDT) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9d.13e4b985.28045daf@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:59:27 EDT Subject: Unmarked police cars....watch out To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 116 On a weekend trip to Atlantic City while passing through Baltimore, in the distance I saw an odd police car. It had someone pulled over, there were a ton of lights on it and it didnt look like a Crown or Caprice, it was white. As I got closer I had a hard time making it out then as I passed it on the side of road it became clear that it was an unmarked, new, white Mustang GT that had pulled someone over. Then this morning on 66 I passed a VERY indescript Explorer that had someone pulled over, most likely for an HOV violation. I still cant get over that Mustang....Ill be watching my back more often now.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 09:04:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11503.mail.yahoo.com (web11503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3AD4iU21915 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010410130443.31664.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web11503.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:04:43 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:04:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Unmarked police cars....watch out To: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9d.13e4b985.28045daf@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Speaking of such Virginia has also added one of those new Chevy Impala's to their fleet. I saw a silver one that had someone pulled over on I-66 near Nutley last week. Glenn --- GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX wrote: > On a weekend trip to Atlantic City while passing > through Baltimore, in the > distance I saw an odd police car. It had someone __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 09:11:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3ADBiU21997 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-46-128.s128.tnt4.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.128] helo=pawilson) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14mxvq-0006gj-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:11:42 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01c0c1c0$0c04d9e0$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Snow white, again Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:13:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Someone on DC-Cycles has the Snow White virus, sent from mail.ncweb.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 09:16:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mcnte1.mc.cc.md.us ([160.253.138.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3ADGGU22168 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MCNTE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2Q9KKPX4>; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:13:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Unmarked police cars....watch out Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:13:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It may sound stupid, but we COULD just keep within the speed limit, or at least ride slower than most of the surrounding vehicles. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:05 AM To: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unmarked police cars....watch out Speaking of such Virginia has also added one of those new Chevy Impala's to their fleet. I saw a silver one that had someone pulled over on I-66 near Nutley last week. Glenn --- GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX wrote: > On a weekend trip to Atlantic City while passing > through Baltimore, in the > distance I saw an odd police car. It had someone __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 09:20:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11507.mail.yahoo.com (web11507.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3ADKAU22257 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010410132008.8939.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web11507.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:20:08 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:20:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: Unmarked police cars....watch out To: "Goldberg, Saul" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What fun would that be? ;-) Glenn --- "Goldberg, Saul" wrote: > It may sound stupid, but we COULD just keep within > the speed limit, or at > least ride slower than most of the surrounding > vehicles. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 09:20:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mcnte1.mc.cc.md.us ([160.253.138.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3ADKpU22267 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MCNTE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2Q9KKPY6>; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:18:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'Glenn Dysart'" , "Goldberg, Saul" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Unmarked police cars....watch out Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:18:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes, silly of me. WhatEVER was I thinking. Guess I wasn't. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:20 AM To: Goldberg, Saul; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Unmarked police cars....watch out What fun would that be? ;-) Glenn --- "Goldberg, Saul" wrote: > It may sound stupid, but we COULD just keep within > the speed limit, or at > least ride slower than most of the surrounding > vehicles. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 09:25:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3ADPYU22299 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user96.anent.com [208.195.115.96] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA00380 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:24:21 -0400 Message-ID: <010c01c0c1c1$d285b200$6073c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: <9d.13e4b985.28045daf@aol.com> Subject: Re: Unmarked police cars....watch out Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:26:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 There was a story on one of the news programs last night (5 I think) about how Maryland is using a plain jane car/van teamed with a marked cruiser to get 'aggressive' drivers. They showed them just driving with traffic in the plain car watching for people swerving, changing lanes without signaling, exiting from two lanes over, reading maps on the steering wheel, passing traffic on the shoulder, etc., then the marked cruiser would roll up and pull them over. ----- Original Message ----- From: > On a weekend trip to Atlantic City while passing through Baltimore, in the > distance I saw an odd police car. It had someone pulled over, there were a > ton of lights on it and it didnt look like a Crown or Caprice, it was white. > As I got closer I had a hard time making it out then as I passed it on the > side of road it became clear that it was an unmarked, new, white Mustang GT > that had pulled someone over. Then this morning on 66 I passed a VERY > indescript Explorer that had someone pulled over, most likely for an HOV > violation. I still cant get over that Mustang....Ill be watching my back > more often now.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 09:25:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3ADPmU22309 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id JAA25390; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:22:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.us.pw.com via smap (V5.5) id xma012878; Tue, 10 Apr 01 09:15:54 -0400 Received: from us-amsmta005.us.pw.com by uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GBK00L5YVLBDZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:18:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Unmarked police cars....watch out To: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 04/10/2001 09:18:56 AM FYI ... The Baltimore area also has unmarked Explorer XLTs. VERY hard to identify as a cop, and they do more than just HOV violations. --chris GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX on 04/10/2001 08:59:27 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Unmarked police cars....watch out On a weekend trip to Atlantic City while passing through Baltimore, in the distance I saw an odd police car. It had someone pulled over, there were a ton of lights on it and it didnt look like a Crown or Caprice, it was white. As I got closer I had a hard time making it out then as I passed it on the side of road it became clear that it was an unmarked, new, white Mustang GT that had pulled someone over. Then this morning on 66 I passed a VERY indescript Explorer that had someone pulled over, most likely for an HOV violation. I still cant get over that Mustang....Ill be watching my back more often now.... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 09:31:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3ADVaU22460 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:31:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200104100931.AA393740958@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: Unmarked police cars....watch out X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Bruce Norton" >There was a story on one of the news programs last night (5 I think) about >how Maryland is using a plain jane car/van teamed with a marked cruiser to >get 'aggressive' drivers. They showed them just driving with traffic in the >plain car watching for people swerving, changing lanes without signaling, >exiting from two lanes over, reading maps on the steering wheel, passing >traffic on the shoulder, etc., then the marked cruiser would roll up and >pull them over. Excellent! I bet it doesn't take too long to find someone worthy of pulling over - based on what we all see every day. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 09:32:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3ADW8U22471 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3ADW2S17269 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:32:02 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010410093050.02cda970@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:31:31 -0400 To: "dc-cycles list" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Snow white, again In-Reply-To: <002b01c0c1c0$0c04d9e0$bb82fea9@pawilson> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:13 AM 4/10/01, Paul Wilson wrote: >Someone on DC-Cycles has the Snow White virus, sent from mail.ncweb.com Whoever it is has not posted since 2-22-01. Thats as far as my Eudora archive goes back at work. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "I knew one thing: as soon as anyone said you didn't need a gun, you'd better take one along that worked." --Robert Mitchum in "Farewell, My Lovely" From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 09:40:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mcnte1.mc.cc.md.us ([160.253.138.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3ADeXU22592 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MCNTE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2Q9KKP0M>; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:38:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" , List-dc cycles Subject: RE: Unmarked police cars....watch out Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:38:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The only problem I have with this plan is that I want them to catch the true problem drivers, not like when the driver in from of me experiences sudden brain death syndrome, and I need to go around them to make sure I get there the same day I started. Knowhutamean? -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:32 AM To: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Unmarked police cars....watch out ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Bruce Norton" >There was a story on one of the news programs last night (5 I think) about >how Maryland is using a plain jane car/van teamed with a marked cruiser to >get 'aggressive' drivers. They showed them just driving with traffic in the >plain car watching for people swerving, changing lanes without signaling, >exiting from two lanes over, reading maps on the steering wheel, passing >traffic on the shoulder, etc., then the marked cruiser would roll up and >pull them over. Excellent! I bet it doesn't take too long to find someone worthy of pulling over - based on what we all see every day. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 09:51:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3ADpLU22793 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 4361 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2001 06:51:14 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.172) with SMTP; 10 Apr 2001 06:51:14 -0700 X-Sent: 10 Apr 2001 13:51:14 GMT Message-ID: <004101c0c1c5$50609980$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: , References: <9d.13e4b985.28045daf@aol.com> Subject: Re: Unmarked police cars....watch out Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:51:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 an unmarked, new, white Mustang GT > that had pulled someone over. I saw that guy too on the way to wilmington the other day...darn cops ruin all of the fun... LAG From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 09:59:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3ADxJU22891 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24247 invoked by uid 1001); 10 Apr 2001 13:59:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20010410135918.24246.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:59:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Unmarked police cars....watch out granted, light bars and paint schemes tend to stick out but I pretty much always look for unusual reflective stripes and even better, radio antenna's. I can't speak to SUV/Mustang chasers not having seen one but all the other unmarked cars have the radio whips where you can readily see them. Plus is you're watching 12 seconds ahead like the good MSF taught you (*smile*) you should see traffic behavior alter as the cagers see the cop as they go by him. -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 10:01:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AE1ZU22936 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GBK00DDCXJS8A@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:59:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GBK00M01XJQIR@XXXXXX>; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:59:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GBK00KG4XJ80H@XXXXXX>; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:59:32 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:58:30 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Which one is Faster? To: Leon Begeman Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <3AD31186.9BAE8DEE@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010409214731.10608.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Leon Begeman wrote: > > Went from 15 to 16 teeth on the countershaft sprocket. > I can't tell any difference in the lower gears. But > I don't wheelie much anyway. If I get good fuel > economy in 5th around here, I'll just stay with this > all the time. Good luck. I'd be interested in hearing what your final mpg figures turn out to be in daily use. > It does make 6th into a highway only > gear, with lots of downshifting to get any speed. That's what top gear *SHOULD* be, highway use only. My humble opinion. :) Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 10:03:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AE3fU22956; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-47-132.s386.tnt4.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.47.132] helo=pawilson) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14myk8-0004G4-00 ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:03:40 -0400 Message-ID: <011201c0c1c7$4ea0fd40$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Troutman" , Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010410093050.02cda970@mail.troutman.org> Subject: ADMIN, was Re: Snow white, again Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:04:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This recurring Snow White problem brings up two pet peeves of mine with this list. I'll CC Harry, but I doubt I'm the first to bring it up. This list is by far the most virus-laden of the half-dozen I subscribe to. Two problems 1) Attachments. This list needs to be set to "no attachments." That will stop the Snow White and a lot of the common viruses and e-mail worms. I filter messages with attachments and trash them unless I recognize the source. 2) Non members allowed to post. It could be the culprit doesn't even read the list and won't see our protestations/warnings. DC-Cycles may be just another one of the hundreds of addresses in his/her address book. Outlook creates an address book entry by default when using the reply-to or reply-to-all function unless you disable it. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman > At 09:13 AM 4/10/01, Paul Wilson wrote: > >Someone on DC-Cycles has the Snow White virus, sent from mail.ncweb.com > > > Whoever it is has not posted since 2-22-01. Thats as far as my Eudora > archive goes back at work. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 10:13:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [64.3.36.247]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AEDPU23140 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14843 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:13:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:13:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: Subject: Re: Unmarked police cars....watch out In-Reply-To: <9d.13e4b985.28045daf@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > indescript Explorer that had someone pulled over, most likely for an HOV > violation. I still cant get over that Mustang....Ill be watching my back > more often now.... Speaking of HOV violations, Arlington County had a pair of marked cars at the pentagon end of the 395 HOV lanes this morning. They looked busy. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 10:15:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11205.mail.yahoo.com (web11205.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.187]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3AEFKU23219 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010410141519.21940.qmail@web11205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11205.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:15:19 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:15:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Unmarked police cars....watch out To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I drive north on 270 each morning and almost always see a LEO with one or more cars violating HOV between Montrose Road and Shady Grove. --- Dan Brown wrote: > > indescript Explorer that had someone pulled over, > most likely for an HOV > > violation. I still cant get over that > Mustang....Ill be watching my back > > more often now.... > > Speaking of HOV violations, Arlington County had a > pair of marked cars > at the pentagon end of the 395 HOV lanes this > morning. They looked busy. > > > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 10:16:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AEGuU23229 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:16:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200104101016.AA602341990@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: RE: Unmarked police cars....watch out X-Mailer: Hmmm ... no, I'm not sure I DO know what you mean. Bruce's examples below of "people swerving, changing lanes without signaling, exiting from two lanes over, reading maps on the steering wheel, passing traffic on the shoulder" all sound like legitimate safety concerns no matter what vehicle the driver is operating. Yes, cycles could get singled out ... but if the police want to keep up their quotas they'll focus on the bad drivers - and there's a lot more of them in cars than any other vehicle. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Goldberg, Saul" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:38:05 -0400 >The only problem I have with this plan is that I want them to catch the true >problem drivers, not like when the driver in from of me experiences sudden >brain death syndrome, and I need to go around them to make sure I get there >the same day I started. Knowhutamean? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:32 AM >To: List-dc cycles >Subject: Re: Unmarked police cars....watch out > > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: "Bruce Norton" >>There was a story on one of the news programs last night (5 I think) about >>how Maryland is using a plain jane car/van teamed with a marked cruiser to >>get 'aggressive' drivers. They showed them just driving with traffic in the >>plain car watching for people swerving, changing lanes without signaling, >>exiting from two lanes over, reading maps on the steering wheel, passing >>traffic on the shoulder, etc., then the marked cruiser would roll up and [message truncated] From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 10:30:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.ne.smtp.psi.net (relay1.ne.smtp.psi.net [38.9.153.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AET7U23386 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay1.ne.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14mz6A-0003w8-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:26:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:28 -0500 From: "Tuan Diep" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: new gear Message-ID: <20010410102536837-5f2f07b@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm looking for new riding gear for the summer and welcome your suggestions. Jacket/pants: looking for perforated leather; can't afford Aerostich Helmet: Arai Signet or equivalent with great ventilation. My HJC isn't cool enough in this heat. Gloves: are those carbon fiber ones worth it? Where's a good place, online or in-store, to get them? Thanks....Tuan From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 11:02:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3AF2gU23961 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:12:48 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:58:46 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Track Day, May 4th Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f3AF32U23962 Hey Dan, Did you sign up for this? I called two Aprilia dealers so far Clinton cycles never heard of it, Powerrobbers the phone just rang and rang (typical). Where can I get info? Thanks, George Cole 00 VFR >>> 04/05/01 04:24PM >>> Woodstock, GA April 2, 2001: APRILIA USA, INC. is pleased to announce their inaugural season of Aprilia Track Days. Created for Aprilia owners and prospective customers to enjoy Aprilia products in a safe and exciting environment, the Aprilia Track Days are scheduled across the country. 2001 Mille and SL 1000fs will be available for on-track demo rides. Current Aprilia owners will enjoy the benefits of ownership through discounted entry fees. Aprilia Track days are open to all brands of sporting motorcycles. Aprilia owners will pay $145. Owners of other brands will pay $185. Registration includes an Aprilia demo ride, lunch, and riding instruction. 8Itfs important for a customer to truly experience a motorcycle before he or she considers buying it,e says Dealer Development Manager Tanner Shultz, 8Aprilia USA realizes that the track is a great place to test a bike M-1 without the distractions of public roads, the demo rider can concentrate on the bike and enjoy the latest Aprilia products.e Interested riders should contact their local Aprilia dealer to register. The complete dealer lists are located at www.apriliausa.com or by calling toll-free (877) APRILIA. May 4th, 2001 Summit Point Raceway, Summit Pt. WV Aprilia USA, Inc is a subsidiary of Aprilia S.p.A., a privately owned Italian motorcycle design and manufacturing company employing over one thousand people and recording annual sales in excess of 320,000 units. As such, Aprilia USA Inc. is the exclusive importer of Aprilia brand motorcycles, scooters, apparel and accessories. For more information and a current dealer list, consumers can visit the official Aprilia USA web site at www.apriliausa.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 11:16:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f224.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AFFxU24222 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:04:22 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:04:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Paging Mark Kitchell.... Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:04:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2001 15:04:22.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[86A78350:01C0C1CF] Please drop me a line when you can. Question about Motocrew. Thanks. Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 11:55:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (59-90-112-64-user.darwin.net [64.112.90.59] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AFtpU24849 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.121] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id ACDC340002A; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:55:08 -0400 From: "Ahalan" To: "'George Cole'" , , Subject: RE: Track Day, May 4th Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:54:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c0c1ef$b53b97e0$3e00000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I called Powermongers too. Spoke to the girl who answers the phone who transfered me to the sales dept. The sales guy didn't know anything either (tried to wing it "yeah...eh...sure...") but took my number so that his boss would call me back. Never happened. If you find out let us know. Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 7:59 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; dsnyder@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Track Day, May 4th Hey Dan, Did you sign up for this? I called two Aprilia dealers so far Clinton cycles never heard of it, Powerrobbers the phone just rang and rang (typical). Where can I get info? Thanks, George Cole 00 VFR >>> 04/05/01 04:24PM >>> Woodstock, GA April 2, 2001: APRILIA USA, INC. is pleased to announce their inaugural season of Aprilia Track Days. Created for Aprilia owners and prospective customers to enjoy Aprilia products in a safe and exciting environment, the Aprilia Track Days are scheduled across the country. 2001 Mille and SL 1000fs will be available for on-track demo rides. Current Aprilia owners will enjoy the benefits of ownership through discounted entry fees. Aprilia Track days are open to all brands of sporting motorcycles. Aprilia owners will pay $145. Owners of other brands will pay $185. Registration includes an Aprilia demo ride, lunch, and riding instruction. 8Itfs important for a customer to truly experience a motorcycle before he or she considers buying it,e says Dealer Development Manager Tanner Shultz, 8Aprilia USA realizes that the track is a great place to test a bike M-1 without the distractions of public roads, the demo rider can concentrate on the bike and enjoy the latest Aprilia products.e Interested riders should contact their local Aprilia dealer to register. The complete dealer lists are located at www.apriliausa.com or by calling toll-free (877) APRILIA. May 4th, 2001 Summit Point Raceway, Summit Pt. WV Aprilia USA, Inc is a subsidiary of Aprilia S.p.A., a privately owned Italian motorcycle design and manufacturing company employing over one thousand people and recording annual sales in excess of 320,000 units. As such, Aprilia USA Inc. is the exclusive importer of Aprilia brand motorcycles, scooters, apparel and accessories. For more information and a current dealer list, consumers can visit the official Aprilia USA web site at www.apriliausa.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 12:04:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AG4gU25000 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GBL00B583891D@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:02:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GBL00L0137WP9@XXXXXX>; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:02:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GBL00L0M37HIN@XXXXXX>; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:02:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:01:04 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Protocol To: Matthew Rosenstock Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <3AD32E40.21585FAD@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010410120335.36305.qmail@web11206.mail.yahoo.com> Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > > Ok, here's a question. What's the proper protocol when > riding in a group of two or more and someone gets > signaled by a LEO to pull over? Does everyone pull > over or do you leave the rider to get busted? Leave him. Wait until you are well out of sight, and pull over and wait. Next stop/intersection works. Don't let the cops write easy tickets for the whole group if you can help it. And offering money to the victim to help pay the fine is appreciated, most likely. :) Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 12:33:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AGXiU25480 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:33:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200104101233.AA88212106@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? X-Mailer: My wife and daughter are encouraging me to try contacts. At age 45 I'm on my second pair of bifocals, so regular contacts won't do it. As I understand it, there are two types of contacts for people like me: 1) one near-vision contact for one eye and one far-vision contact for the other eye. Surprisingly, our local eye doctor says about 80% of the people who try these can use them well. I'm surprised our brains can adjust for this; also, things like depth-perception concern me. Functionally, my main interest in contacts is for no fogging and better peripheral vision, but I don't want to sacrifice depth perception or visual acuity. 2) bifocal contacts: each contact is designed for both near and far vision, depending on what part you look through. I'm still not clear how these work, and they're much more expensive that the first type. So, anyone had experience with contacts for bifocal eyes? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 12:44:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3AGi5U25684 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8007 invoked by uid 1001); 10 Apr 2001 16:43:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20010410164354.8006.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:43:53 -0500 Subject: Re: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? Wow, I've never heard of such things as bi-focal contacts!! I suggest getting a prescription for 'normal' sight activities. ie. medium to long range. then when you need to do in-close work (reading, etc) slap on your reading glasses. I wear hard contacts and they are great in fogging conditions compared to wearing glasses which were horrible. As to the brain adjusting to differing contacts, it sure does. I have 2 different prescriptions in my eyes right now because the are from mixed sets from different time periods (about 3+ years old) and I do notice that at times (when eyes are tired) that a dominant eye will assert itself depending on whether I'm looking far or close. But it doesn't affect my depth perception under most conditions. -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 13:29:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f73.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AHTaU26478 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:29:29 -0700 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:29:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:29:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2001 17:29:29.0327 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC27C7F0:01C0C1E3] Chris, I can only partially answer your question, but here goes. Before getting the Lasik surgery, I tried the monovision trick. Basically, I wore a full power (20-20) lens in my dominant (left) eye and a slightly weaker (20-50) lens in my right eye. I did not notice any problems with general, day-to-day activities using this method. After a couple of weeks, it "clicked." I was sitting in the family room, watching TV and reading a book. During commercials and slow sections of the TV program, I read. If things get interesting on the TV, I watch it. Anyway, I was looking down at the book, I looked up, blinked and the TV came into focus. I looked back down at the book, blinked and the book came into focus. I went back and forth with no problems, thereafter. As a result of this success, I agreed to have my Lasik surgery performed to the same metric. Even though I would be giving up some distance vision, it should make up for it with near vision. So, they corrected the left eye for 20-20 and the right eye for 20-50. Well, for the longest time, I had 20-15 vision from the surgery. I'm finally dropping back to "normal" but the monovision trick doesn't seem to be working too well. I still feel more comfortable wearing reading glasses, especially when spending long periods at a monitor, or reading a novel. If I don't get the monovision thing going, I may just go ahead and have them fine-tune my vision to the full 20-20 and live with readers. BTW: I converted to extended wear contacts back in 1986. I NEVER looked back. It made a world of difference, especially for riding. Of course, I carried a pair of glasses with me when travelling, just in case. I also carried eye drops to re-wet my lenses if they started to dry out. Now, I just carry my readers for map reading, as needed. Oh, and eye drops in case my eyes dry out. Dry eyes suck! I can't speak to the bifocal contacts, though. If they work, great! If not, the monovision deal is pretty handy. Perry >From: "Chris Norloff" >Reply-To: >To: "List-dc cycles" >Subject: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:33:39 -0400 > >My wife and daughter are encouraging me to try contacts. At age 45 I'm on >my second pair of bifocals, so regular contacts won't do it. As I >understand it, there are two types of contacts for people like me: > >1) one near-vision contact for one eye and one far-vision contact for the >other eye. Surprisingly, our local eye doctor says about 80% of the people >who try these can use them well. I'm surprised our brains can adjust for >this; also, things like depth-perception concern me. Functionally, my main >interest in contacts is for no fogging and better peripheral vision, but I >don't want to sacrifice depth perception or visual acuity. > >2) bifocal contacts: each contact is designed for both near and far vision, >depending on what part you look through. I'm still not clear how these >work, and they're much more expensive that the first type. > >So, anyone had experience with contacts for bifocal eyes? > >thanks, >Chris Norloff > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 13:57:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f277.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.152]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AHvLU26987 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:57:14 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:57:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: bnbowesmd@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:57:14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2001 17:57:14.0876 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACE663C0:01C0C1E7] Magazine: Motorcycle Consumer News. Boring black and white photography, no ads, no ad hype, excellent bike reviews. See http://www.mcnews.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 13:59:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3AHxeU27007 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010410175939.16675.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.185] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:59:39 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:59:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, List-dc cycles In-Reply-To: <200104101233.AA88212106@mail.toward.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii my experience with contacts and motorcycling is that they don't mix. over the long haul, you will have at least one terrifying experience in which a contact lens escapes from your eye at the precise moment something like that really doesn't need to occur.... because i have been through this more than once, i will never ride (regularly) with lenses again this message was sent under the assumption that you are a daily rider and that you're looking for a full-time solution --- Chris Norloff wrote: > My wife and daughter are encouraging me to try contacts. > At age 45 I'm on my second pair of bifocals, so regular > contacts won't do it. As I understand it, there are two > types of contacts for people like me: ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 14:06:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AI6HU27177 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-180.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.180]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10320 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:06:11 -0400 Posted-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:06:11 -0400 Message-ID: <005b01c0c1e8$34209d60$3fa4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Escaping boomers Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:00:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Anybody dodging t'storms yet? I get glued to web local loop and TV dopplers starting about now, picking my way around the noon-on badguys. Been caught in the past and prefer not -- and found help that has saved me twice recently. I've added to the MC carry list a ($100?) Casio pocket TV (this in lieu of onboard w'less i-power, my dream solution) so the noon and on (scarcer on the weekends) broadcast dopplers can be viewed. (Actually it was the 11:10p that saved me the last time a few months ago as I holed up in Fairfax escaping an intense, but brief, front.) Anybody had good success with on the road i-power? Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> When sparks fly I cherish my rubber Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 14:17:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AIHUU27364 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GBL00M8Q9DCEP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:15:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GBL005019D1QV@XXXXXX>; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:15:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GBL002MT9CM8T@XXXXXX>; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:14:47 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:13:44 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? To: Tom Gimer Cc: cnorloff@XXXXXX, List-dc cycles Message-id: <3AD34D58.35E19964@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010410175939.16675.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Tom Gimer wrote: > > my experience with contacts and motorcycling is that they > don't mix. over the long haul, you will have at least one > terrifying experience in which a contact lens escapes from > your eye at the precise moment something like that really > doesn't need to occur.... > > because i have been through this more than once, i will > never ride (regularly) with lenses again > I tried riding with contacts, too. Only took a couple of attempts before I lost one of those little suckers at speed. I eventually came to the conclusion that even if I had perfect vision, I'd wear protective lenses of some sort, in addition to the full face (ok, so it's a flip front) helmet anyway. I don't know how those no-helmet-no-windshield-no-glasses types do it. They must squint a lot. Or not ride very far. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 14:22:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AIMvU27454 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14n2kg-0005HI-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:20:30 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:22:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? In-Reply-To: <20010410175939.16675.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Tom Gimer wrote: > my experience with contacts and motorcycling is that they > don't mix. over the long haul, you will have at least one > terrifying experience in which a contact lens escapes from > your eye at the precise moment something like that really > doesn't need to occur.... > I got to disagree on this one. I ride all the time with my soft contact lenses. I had hard lenses for a while and those really sucked as stuff would regularly get in my eye and it hurt like a sumbitch. The big disadvantage with wearing glasses is that you can't see anything out of the corners of your eyes which is a major liability in traffic. I normally wear my soft lenses and a pair of sunglasses and ride with my visor open ~90% of the time without any difficulty. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 14:27:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f224.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AIRPU27563 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:27:18 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:27:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Escaping boomers Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:27:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2001 18:27:18.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0272130:01C0C1EB] Didn't dodge any myself, but there were a couple brave* souls riding up I270 about 8:30 PM last night when the skies opened up. Hope they both made it wherever safely. Rob '98 VFR800 * Giving them the benefit of the doubt. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 14:28:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AISMU27581 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-180.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.180]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA12520 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:28:19 -0400 Posted-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:28:19 -0400 Message-ID: <006101c0c1eb$34082c00$3fa4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: MC schools Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:22:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This cross-posted from Motorcycle Safety Digest. Some may find it seasonally useful -- I think it's been referenced on our list in the past. (Couldn't find a date though a comment or two infers early 2000.) ----------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:51:51 -0500 http://www.activebike.com/index/features/education/education.htm Jay McDaniel runs the Interactive Motorcycle. This is a fabulous and huge article on several riding schools that he put together. Nice work! ------------------------------ Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> No good at homework. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 14:31:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f136.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.136]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AIVSU27670 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:31:22 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:31:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Track Day, May 4th Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:31:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2001 18:31:22.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[715B37E0:01C0C1EC] What about Battley's/Rockville Hardley? Don't they sell them? Rob '98 VFR800 >From: "George Cole" >To: , >Subject: Re: Track Day, May 4th >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:58:46 -0500 > >Hey Dan, > >Did you sign up for this? I called two Aprilia dealers so far Clinton >cycles >never heard of it, Powerrobbers the phone just rang and rang (typical). > >Where can I get info? > >Thanks, > >George Cole >00 VFR > > > >>> 04/05/01 04:24PM >>> >Woodstock, GA April 2, 2001: APRILIA USA, INC. is pleased to >announce their inaugural season of Aprilia Track Days. Created for >Aprilia owners and prospective customers to enjoy Aprilia products in >a safe and exciting environment, the Aprilia Track Days are scheduled >across the country. 2001 Mille and SL 1000fs will be available for >on-track demo rides. Current Aprilia owners will enjoy the benefits >of ownership through discounted entry fees. Aprilia Track days are >open to all brands of sporting motorcycles. Aprilia owners will pay >$145. Owners of other brands will pay $185. Registration includes an >Aprilia demo ride, lunch, and riding instruction. >8Itfs important for a customer to truly experience a motorcycle >before he or she considers buying it,e says Dealer Development >Manager Tanner Shultz, 8Aprilia USA realizes that the track is a >great place to test a bike M-1 without the distractions of public >roads, the demo rider can concentrate on the bike and enjoy the >latest Aprilia products.e >Interested riders should contact their local Aprilia dealer to >register. The complete dealer lists are located at >www.apriliausa.com or by calling toll-free (877) APRILIA. > > >May 4th, 2001 Summit Point Raceway, Summit Pt. WV > > >Aprilia USA, Inc is a subsidiary of Aprilia S.p.A., a privately owned >Italian motorcycle design and manufacturing company employing over >one thousand people and recording annual sales in excess of 320,000 >units. As such, Aprilia USA Inc. is the exclusive importer of Aprilia >brand motorcycles, scooters, apparel and accessories. For more >information and a current dealer list, consumers can visit the >official Aprilia USA web site at www.apriliausa.com. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 14:33:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f199.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AIXrU27690 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:33:46 -0700 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:33:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: the.horkster@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:33:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2001 18:33:46.0386 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7244720:01C0C1EC] Hork/T_G, Well, with all due respect to your experiences, I rode with my lenses in all the time with rarely a problem. Of course, I almost always wear a full face helmet and during daylight hours almost always wear sunglasses. Admittedly, during the 14 years that I wore contacts, I probably only rode about 70,000 miles (or thereabouts) so maybe I would have had more problems with more miles. I do know that dry lenses are a recipe for disaster, and I also know that a lot of wind in the eyes tends to dry them out. Taking proper precautions to keep the lenses from drying out was worth it to me to have the full peripheral vision. I hated the feeling that I was looking through (dirty) portholes when I wore glasses. Even sunglasses can be a problem, but I wear wrap-arounds and I don't have to worry about everything being blurry off to the sides. Perry >From: Dale Horstman >To: Tom Gimer >CC: cnorloff@XXXXXX, List-dc cycles >Subject: Re: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:13:44 -0400 > >Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > my experience with contacts and motorcycling is that they > > don't mix. over the long haul, you will have at least one > > terrifying experience in which a contact lens escapes from > > your eye at the precise moment something like that really > > doesn't need to occur.... > > > > because i have been through this more than once, i will > > never ride (regularly) with lenses again > > > >I tried riding with contacts, too. Only took a couple of >attempts before I lost one of those little suckers at >speed. I eventually came to the conclusion that even if >I had perfect vision, I'd wear protective lenses of some >sort, in addition to the full face (ok, so it's a flip >front) helmet anyway. > >I don't know how those no-helmet-no-windshield-no-glasses >types do it. They must squint a lot. Or not ride very far. > > >-- >Mandatory second line (CM tm) > >Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. >Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > >'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer >'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi >'82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 14:35:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AIZDU27774 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-48-211.s211.tnt5.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.211] helo=pawilson) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14n2ys-0002Nj-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:35:10 -0400 Message-ID: <004701c0c1ed$1e16e240$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: Mags Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:35:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Allis > Magazine: Motorcycle Consumer News. Boring black and white photography, no > ads, no ad hype, excellent bike reviews. See > http://www.mcnews.com/ What--I can't do without full-color photo spreads of bikes. A bike's ability to perform photogenic stoppies and wheelies is such vital information for me. :) How else is a prospective buyer to know what the belly pans on new bikes look like? Paul in DC MCN subscriber (sometimes buy those other mags, though, for the ads) From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 14:38:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (59-90-112-64-user.darwin.net [64.112.90.59] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AIcSU27784 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.121] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id A30C1B0013C; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:38:04 -0400 From: "Ahalan" To: "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:37:39 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01c0c206$77ceae80$3e00000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3AD34D58.35E19964@home.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I've been riding with contacts - well...lets see - since I've began riding around 8 years ago. I wear the extended-wear lenses as well and they're more or less trouble free. I like having eye drops to keep them wet if necessary, but I've been stuck without for long stretches of highway and there's always a way. I don't use a dark faceshield but can always wear sunglasses (I'm very sensitive to daylight). I actually find that glasses are more problematic - they fog up, break, scratch, etc. I find that I can ride with an open visor only with sunglasses on. For that I have Gargoyles sunglasses which have exceptionally strong lenses (have been shown to withstand a .22 gun shot from 10 feet - no I haven't tried that myself). You can get them by mail order for about $30-50 and some models have interchangable lenses (including totally clear options). Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:the.horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 11:14 AM To: Tom Gimer Cc: cnorloff@XXXXXX; List-dc cycles Subject: Re: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? Tom Gimer wrote: > > my experience with contacts and motorcycling is that they > don't mix. over the long haul, you will have at least one > terrifying experience in which a contact lens escapes from > your eye at the precise moment something like that really > doesn't need to occur.... > > because i have been through this more than once, i will > never ride (regularly) with lenses again > I tried riding with contacts, too. Only took a couple of attempts before I lost one of those little suckers at speed. I eventually came to the conclusion that even if I had perfect vision, I'd wear protective lenses of some sort, in addition to the full face (ok, so it's a flip front) helmet anyway. I don't know how those no-helmet-no-windshield-no-glasses types do it. They must squint a lot. Or not ride very far. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 14:40:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AIe9U27815 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip20.herndon19.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.88.20]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09801; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD35357.A53D3D4@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:39:19 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List-dc cycles CC: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? References: <20010410175939.16675.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> <3AD34D58.35E19964@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or maybe they are REAL MEN and you are just a weenie! %^) Dale Horstman wrote : > > I don't know how those no-helmet-no-windshield-no-glasses > types do it. They must squint a lot. Or not ride very far. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 14:47:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3AIlJU27978 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010410184718.23305.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.185] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:47:18 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:47:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? To: Hugh Caldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i've got only one thing to say to this: you're one lucky MOFO, hugh you and i obviously have differences in a) the way we use our eyes (e.g., i squint a lot); b) the way they lubricate themselves (mine dry out); and/or c) the shape of our eyes (mine don't hold the contacts in/on my eyes very well however, it only takes ONE incident like i've described to make a former believer into an aggressive opponent --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > my experience with contacts and motorcycling is that > > they don't mix. over the long haul, you will have at > > least one terrifying experience in which a contact lens > > escapes from your eye at the precise moment something > > like that really doesn't need to occur.... > > > I got to disagree on this one. I ride all the time with > my soft contact lenses. I had hard lenses for a while and > those really sucked as stuff would regularly get in my > eye and it hurt like a sumbitch. The big disadvantage > with wearing glasses is that you can't see anything out > of the corners of your eyes which is a major liability in > traffic. I normally wear my soft lenses and a pair of > sunglasses and ride with my visor open ~90% of the time > without any difficulty. ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 14:51:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AIpVU28098 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GBL0094MAXTMP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:49:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GBL00301AXQ2I@XXXXXX>; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:49:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GBL001CWAXF1W@XXXXXX>; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:48:51 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:47:49 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Frostburg, MD - AWSHIDT Boom Town! To: LDR Chat , Chatty Morons , DC Cycles List , Concours Owners Group Message-id: <3AD35555.300887E0@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en If I am to understand Yahoo Maps correctly, the town of Frostburg, MD is supposed to have the following roads running through it: SR6 SR11 SR12 SR14 SR17 SR22 SR28 SR32 SR33 SR36 SR39 US40 (An AWSHIDT Mandatory route) SR44 SR49 SR50 I-68 (Interstates are valid route numbers, too) Now color me a little bit skeptical, but 16 route numbers in one smallish town seems like it's too good to be true. Can anyone confirm or deny the routes in/around/near Frostburg? -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 14:53:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from aux153.plano.net (aux-209-217-36-11.oklahoma.net [209.217.36.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3AIroU28109 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22982 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2001 18:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cindi2.cindik.com) (209.119.40.90) by aux153.plano.net with SMTP; 10 Apr 2001 18:56:09 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010410135242.00b1b370@cindik.com> X-Sender: cindik%cindik.com@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:53:00 -0500 To: Dale Horstman From: Cindi Knox Subject: Re: Frostburg, MD - AWSHIDT Boom Town! Cc: LDR Chat , Chatty Morons , DC Cycles List , Concours Owners Group In-Reply-To: <3AD35555.300887E0@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed What's AWSHIDT? At 02:47 PM 4/10/2001 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >If I am to understand Yahoo Maps correctly, the >town of Frostburg, MD is supposed to have the >following roads running through it: > >SR6 >SR11 >SR12 >SR14 >SR17 >SR22 >SR28 >SR32 >SR33 >SR36 >SR39 >US40 (An AWSHIDT Mandatory route) >SR44 >SR49 >SR50 >I-68 (Interstates are valid route numbers, too) > >Now color me a little bit skeptical, but 16 route numbers >in one smallish town seems like it's too good to be true. >Can anyone confirm or deny the routes in/around/near >Frostburg? > >-- >Mandatory second line (CM tm) > >Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. >Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > >'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer >'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi >'82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes -- "Maybe it's a mistake to do this job while I study for the priesthood." - Dilbert comic strip Cindi Knox http://www.cindik.com/ cindik@XXXXXX icq 14903575 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 14:57:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AIv8U28186 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GBL00EIJBAPN3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:56:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GBL00801BA753@XXXXXX>; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:56:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GBL0074WBA5CK@XXXXXX>; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:56:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:55:27 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? To: the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: List-dc cycles Message-id: <3AD3571F.FF5469AF@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010410175939.16675.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> <3AD34D58.35E19964@XXXXXX> <3AD35357.A53D3D4@XXXXXX> Chuck Pena wrote: > > Or maybe they are REAL MEN and you are just a weenie! %^) > Maybe. Iron Butt. Wussy eyes. :) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 15:04:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AJ43U28290 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip20.herndon19.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.88.20]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05604; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD358EE.C19EFF0E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:03:11 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List CC: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Frostburg, MD - AWSHIDT Boom Town! References: <3AD35555.300887E0@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale, I just took a look at Frostburg, MD using DeLorme Street Atlas 8.0. If you believe the softward, the only numbered routes that I see actually running through Frostburg are SR36 and SR40. I suppose it's entirely possible that some of the named roads are also SR's. I-68 doesn't actually cut through Frostburg. The only numbered route I could find anywhere near Frostburg was SR55, which is actually southeast and runs into Clarysville. Chuck Dale Horstman wrote: > > If I am to understand Yahoo Maps correctly, the > town of Frostburg, MD is supposed to have the > following roads running through it: > > SR6 > SR11 > SR12 > SR14 > SR17 > SR22 > SR28 > SR32 > SR33 > SR36 > SR39 > US40 (An AWSHIDT Mandatory route) > SR44 > SR49 > SR50 > I-68 (Interstates are valid route numbers, too) > > Now color me a little bit skeptical, but 16 route numbers > in one smallish town seems like it's too good to be true. > Can anyone confirm or deny the routes in/around/near > Frostburg? > > -- > Mandatory second line (CM tm) > > Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 15:09:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f82.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.82]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AJ9fU28380 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:09:34 -0700 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:09:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: the.horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Frostburg, MD - AWSHIDT Boom Town! Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:09:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2001 19:09:34.0791 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7B0DD70:01C0C1F1] Hork, As an alumni of FSU, I can attest to 40, 36 and I-68 (although it was I-48 back then.) 11 sounds familiar, too. There is also Rt 55, a couple of miles east in Clarysville. Rt 28 comes out of WV into Cumberland, and that's only about 11 miles east. A zoom-in of Mapquest's Frostburg map shows a lot of state routes on your list, but I don't remember them as such. I remember them as "Broadway" or "College Ave" Of course, I drank back then... ;^) and walked... Mapquest URL (if it works:) http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?link=btwn/twn-map_results&zoom_in=1&uid=uei3y6d1rcnae9ud:z5l6bxday&SNVData=3mad3-5.fy%28a10g0r_%29zyw1y8%3bpq%7cs9z,p7%3b8aq.hqu%3b%28_MNQF%17V%10%18S%3aFE%3d%3a%10F%3da10dr2_%29zyw1rz_1.lq%286,qej%7cynbgmej,fwgf-d&pcat= >From: Dale Horstman >To: LDR Chat , Chatty Morons , DC >Cycles List , Concours Owners Group > >Subject: Frostburg, MD - AWSHIDT Boom Town! >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:47:49 -0400 > >If I am to understand Yahoo Maps correctly, the >town of Frostburg, MD is supposed to have the >following roads running through it: > >SR6 >SR11 >SR12 >SR14 >SR17 >SR22 >SR28 >SR32 >SR33 >SR36 >SR39 >US40 (An AWSHIDT Mandatory route) >SR44 >SR49 >SR50 >I-68 (Interstates are valid route numbers, too) > >Now color me a little bit skeptical, but 16 route numbers >in one smallish town seems like it's too good to be true. >Can anyone confirm or deny the routes in/around/near >Frostburg? > >-- >Mandatory second line (CM tm) > >Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. >Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > >'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer >'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi >'82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 15:15:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AJFPU28574 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GBL00M4HC58CL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:15:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GBL00601BX8V9@XXXXXX>; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:15:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GBL001OJBO9D9@XXXXXX>; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:04:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:03:55 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? To: Perry Coleman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AD3591B.EBC61D5A@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Perry Coleman wrote: > > Hork/T_G, > > Well, with all due respect to your experiences, I rode with my lenses in all > the time with rarely a problem. Perry, Dang, wish my eyes were that tough. I tried out contacts for a while. The dry eye feeling never seemed to go away for me, and my difficulties riding with them in just made it unfeasible to continue. I haven't ruled out LASIK surgery, but figure I'll wait a while longer while the price drops and folks have start posting some long-term results. Bold and trend-setting I ain't. :) I still think I'd wear sunglasses/safety glasses along with the full-face helmet if I didn't need prescription glasses, though. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 15:27:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f44.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.44]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AJReU28740 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:27:34 -0700 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:27:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: the.horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:27:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2001 19:27:34.0439 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B361370:01C0C1F4] Hork, I would agree that contact lenses are not for everyone - regardless of riding a bike. Some eyes never adjust, I guess. Mine did and I loved them. I waited for laser surgery for quite a while, myself. I'm coming up on 2 years since Lasik and loving it. Having worn glasses since I was 10, it was so weird to look out the window and see the individual leaves on a tree 100 yards away without using any sort of lens. I also tend to be protective of my eyes. I'll never forget the first hunting season when I had my contact lenses. I was moving through the woods, and took a small branch in the eye (actually near the eye) and I freaked. I never before had to worry since my glasses would've blocked it. So, in the intervening years, I've adapted to protect my eyes. Ironically, that usually involves wearing something like sunglasses, but what the hey! I rarely got to wear cool shades as a kid because of the glassess... Now I've got several different pairs for different purposes. If I was doing a lot or night riding, I might consider a pair of the clear (or yellow) Gargoyles, or similar, under my faceshield, but with the Concours, I don't get that much windblast, and I can leave the faceshield open a crack at slow speed and closed tight at highway speeds with no problems. Perry >From: Dale Horstman >To: Perry Coleman >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:03:55 -0400 > >Perry Coleman wrote: > > > > Hork/T_G, > > > > Well, with all due respect to your experiences, I rode with my lenses in >all > > the time with rarely a problem. > >Perry, > >Dang, wish my eyes were that tough. I tried out contacts for a while. >The dry eye feeling never seemed to go away for me, and my difficulties >riding with them in just made it unfeasible to continue. > >I haven't ruled out LASIK surgery, but figure I'll wait a while >longer while the price drops and folks have start posting some >long-term results. Bold and trend-setting I ain't. :) > >I still think I'd wear sunglasses/safety glasses along with the >full-face helmet if I didn't need prescription glasses, though. > >Horkster >-- >Mandatory second line (CM tm) > >Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. >Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > >'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer >'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi >'82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 15:35:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3AJZSU28900 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010410193527.27554.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.187] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:35:27 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:35:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? To: Dale Horstman , Perry Coleman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3AD3591B.EBC61D5A@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > I haven't ruled out LASIK surgery, but figure I'll wait a > while > longer while the price drops and folks have start posting > some > long-term results. Bold and trend-setting I ain't. :) i had an informal discussion with an opthamologist/optomatrist (sp) recently in which he divulged to me that over 10% of lasix patience have a "halo-effect" problem after dark. he suggested that i NEVER get the surgery (unless my vision was so bad that even with glasses/contacts i was suffering to see things). i should add that he wears glasses and contacts as well, having seen the results of many a surgery. just something to think about in deciding whether it's really all that important that you're able to clearly see your way to the shitter in the middle of the night ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 16:01:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AK1bU29319 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GBL009OYE7LNE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:59:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GBL00701E03EJ@XXXXXX>; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:59:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GBL0038EDRUEA@XXXXXX>; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:50:18 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:49:16 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AD363BC.2CD43768@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010410193527.27554.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- Dale Horstman wrote: > > I haven't ruled out LASIK surgery, but figure I'll wait a > > while > > longer while the price drops and folks have start posting > > some > > long-term results. Bold and trend-setting I ain't. :) > > i had an informal discussion with an > opthamologist/optomatrist (sp) recently in which he > divulged to me that over 10% of lasix patience have a > "halo-effect" problem after dark. I've also heard stories to the effect that lucrative cataract surgery was no longer covered under Medicare/Medicaid any longer, and that left a whole lot of eye doctors out in the cold with medical loans and fancy cars to make payments on. Hence the rapid advent of LASIK treatments everywhere. Can't confirm the rumor, though, but it left me sort of skeptical. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 16:01:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AK1sU29329 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-48-41.s41.tnt5.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.41] helo=pawilson) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14n4Km-0004Wu-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:01:53 -0400 Message-ID: <017c01c0c1f9$2c61d380$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20010410193527.27554.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:02:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Gimer > > i had an informal discussion with an > opthamologist/optomatrist (sp) recently in which he > divulged to me that over 10% of lasix patience have a > "halo-effect" problem after dark. > > he suggested that i NEVER get the surgery (unless my vision > was so bad that even with glasses/contacts i was suffering > to see things). i should add that he wears glasses and > contacts as well, having seen the results of many a > surgery. > > just something to think about in deciding whether it's > really all that important that you're able to clearly see > your way to the shitter in the middle of the night > ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Gimer > > i had an informal discussion with an > opthamologist/optomatrist (sp) recently in which he > divulged to me that over 10% of lasix patience have a > "halo-effect" problem after dark. > > he suggested that i NEVER get the surgery (unless my vision > was so bad that even with glasses/contacts i was suffering > to see things). i should add that he wears glasses and > contacts as well, having seen the results of many a > surgery. > > just something to think about in deciding whether it's > really all that important that you're able to clearly see > your way to the shitter in the middle of the night > I couldn't agree more with the last statement. The ultimate Luddite speaking here, I figure people have been wearing spectacles for five hundred years (since at least the time of Leonardo) and have suffered no ill effects, except ridicule. Anyway until contacts and Lasik have that kind of track record count me out. I wear prescription Bolle wrap-around shades on the bike on longer trips (got them for bicycling) and my regular coke bottles the rest of the time. The prescription shades are pretty much impervious to grit, bugs, etc., and have excellent UV protection. I can even wear them at night if I swap out the dark shield on the glasses for the clear. They work great on sweltering days when it's too hot to have the shield down in slow traffic. On the highway, the shield comes down though. Paul in DC 91 CB750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 16:39:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3AKdDU29983 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010410203912.29904.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.187] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:39:12 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:39:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Unmarked police cars....watch out To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii stupid indeed! er, i mean, what a brilliant idea! --- "Goldberg, Saul" wrote: > It may sound stupid, but we COULD just keep within the > speed limit, or at > least ride slower than most of the surrounding vehicles. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:05 AM > To: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Unmarked police cars....watch out > > > Speaking of such Virginia has also added one of those > new Chevy Impala's to their fleet. I saw a silver one > that had someone pulled over on I-66 near Nutley last > week. ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 17:04:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web904.mail.yahoo.com (web904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3AL4iU00567 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24577 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2001 21:04:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20010410210443.24576.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web904.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:04:43 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:04:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Unmarked police cars....watch out To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010410203912.29904.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I dunno about stupid, but it sounds dangerous to me, I had 3 cars and a bike split lanes past me this morning when I did that. Of course in the almost 2 years I've been doing it, no one has managed to hit me -yet-. Leon. --- "Goldberg, Saul" wrote: > It may sound stupid, but we COULD just keep within the > speed limit, or at > least ride slower than most of the surrounding vehicles. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 17:07:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AL7oU00674 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.c6.13e57af3 (9156); Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:07:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:07:33 EDT Subject: Re: HOA To: m_rosenstock@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c6.13e57af3.2804d015_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 344 --part1_c6.13e57af3.2804d015_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt, Was that HOA in Maryland? If so, let me know. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) --part1_c6.13e57af3.2804d015_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt,
Was that HOA in Maryland?
 If so, let me know.


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--part1_c6.13e57af3.2804d015_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 17:17:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3ALHcU00840 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010410211736.GESO19178.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj117103a>; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:17:36 -0700 Message-ID: <009f01c0c202$31f5f660$8501a8c0@Home> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: "Dale Horstman" , "LDR Chat" , "Chatty Morons" , "DC Cycles List" , "Concours Owners Group" References: <3AD35555.300887E0@home.com> Subject: Re: Frostburg, MD - AWSHIDT Boom Town! Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:07:03 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 I didn't scour the map for SR22 but everything else was confirmed via MS Streets and Trips in less then five minutes. Additionally, you've got SR54 and 55. Never been to Frostburg so I don't know about all those "Alleys" having route numbers. -James > If I am to understand Yahoo Maps correctly, the > town of Frostburg, MD is supposed to have the > following roads running through it: > > SR6 Alley 6 > SR11 Alley 11 > SR12 Alley 12 > SR14 Williams St. > SR17 Alley 17 > SR22 > SR28 Alley 28 > SR32 Alley 32 > SR33 Alley 33 > SR36 New Hope Rd. also Grant St and part of Rt. 40 > SR39 Alley 39 > US40 West Main St. > SR44 Alley 44 > SR49 Alley 49 > SR50 Alley 50 > I-68 (Interstates are valid route numbers, too) From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 18:41:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3AMfEU02263 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-154.patriot.net [209.249.180.154]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3AMfBY07136; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:41:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD38AB2.54FBFEBA@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:35:30 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? References: <200104101233.AA88212106@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Contacts??? I just keep my eyes closed while riding, not as scarey that way :-) Bill Chris Norloff wrote: > My wife and daughter are encouraging me to try contacts. At age 45 I'm on my second pair of bifocals, so regular contacts won't do it. As I understand it, there are two types of contacts for people like me: > > 1) one near-vision contact for one eye and one far-vision contact for the other eye. Surprisingly, our local eye doctor says about 80% of the people who try these can use them well. I'm surprised our brains can adjust for this; also, things like depth-perception concern me. Functionally, my main interest in contacts is for no fogging and better peripheral vision, but I don't want to sacrifice depth perception or visual acuity. > > 2) bifocal contacts: each contact is designed for both near and far vision, depending on what part you look through. I'm still not clear how these work, and they're much more expensive that the first type. > > So, anyone had experience with contacts for bifocal eyes? > > thanks, > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 20:43:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from Mail6.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3B0hdU04302 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOWBALL.cox.rr.com ([24.168.204.45]) by Mail6.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:43:08 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010410094357.00ab74d8@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: lowball@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:47:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "D.J. Kinney" Subject: Re: OT: What contacts for bifocal eyes? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I've never had a problem with my glasses, so I've not made the attempt at contacts. Nor am I terribly impressed with the stories of post-LASIK problems. Supposedly looming on the horizon is a procedure being perfected now called "adaptive optics". As it was explained to me, LASIK scans the cornea using 6-8 points of reference. AO uses upwards of 60 points, making the laser surgery much more precise. If anyone has any further info on AO, I'd like to hear about it.. Z From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 21:05:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9613.mail.yahoo.com (web9613.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3B154U04669 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010411010500.21093.qmail@web9613.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.140.103.81] by web9613.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:05:00 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:05:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Rare Bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3AD38AB2.54FBFEBA@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just saw a Morini 500 parked outside a coffee shop. A closer look revealed it to be a early 1980s era Italian V-Twin. Anyone familiar with these bikes? Maybe its because I'm young (hehe), but I'd never heard of them before. Adam Reinhardt 89 CBR 600 F __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 21:23:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3B1NYU04969 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-59-161.s415.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.59.161] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14n9M5-0000ZR-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:23:33 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c0c225$f0b13e20$a13b2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Protocol Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:22:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:03:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Protocol To: DC Cycles Ok, here's a question. What's the proper protocol when riding in a group of two or more and someone gets signaled by a LEO to pull over? Does everyone pull over or do you leave the rider to get busted? Matt ------------------------------------------------------------ Unless the lights are directly behind YOU, keep moving. This advice and a test ride on a friends VTR will get you a real live helicopter circling over your house just before you can park it and close the garage door....heheh But seriously, unless it is obvious the police want YOU to pull over, Don't! Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 21:28:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3B1SAU05048 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-59-161.s415.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.59.161] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14n9QT-0001HL-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:28:05 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c0c226$932cb3a0$a13b2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Unmarked police cars....watch out Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:27:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 And besides, cops waiting anxiously behind bushes or signs, or in unmarked cars waiting to say, "Gotcha" deserve a vigilante group of riders to out them. I don't want to start a speeding = revenue debate because around here, if you aren't speeding, you're toast! Glenn's right. Todd (Springfield) -------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:20:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: Unmarked police cars....watch out To: "Goldberg, Saul" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX What fun would that be? ;-) Glenn --- "Goldberg, Saul" wrote: > It may sound stupid, but we COULD just keep within > the speed limit, or at > least ride slower than most of the surrounding > vehicles. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 22:01:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3B21GU05614 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (p43.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.43]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03052 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD3BB56.3050204@radix.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:03:02 -0400 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: AA DC Cycles Subject: Re: Unmarked police cars....watch out References: <002001c0c226$932cb3a0$a13b2c42@c9rnf01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > And besides, cops waiting anxiously behind bushes or signs, or in unmarked > cars waiting to say, "Gotcha" deserve a vigilante group of riders to out > them. I was thinking more along the lines of a 'Nuremburg' site for traffic cops. Names, units, home addresses, family members etc... ONLY for the ones that write BS speeding tickets.. It's ok for the Abortion doctors, then it's ok for traffic cops (aka perps). > I don't want to start a speeding = revenue debate because around > here, if you aren't speeding, you're toast! -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 22:08:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3B28mU05693 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 12280 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2001 19:08:41 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 10 Apr 2001 19:08:41 -0700 X-Sent: 11 Apr 2001 02:08:41 GMT Message-ID: <01fd01c0c22c$56176fe0$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: have patience Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:08:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I know there are a few links that don't work on the site and some other minor problems, but since I'm not an HTML expert, I'll have to wait till Roachie is back in town to help me fix them. Just wanted to let you know before my e-mail box gets flooded. ;-) LAG From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 10 23:58:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3B3wgU07464 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-246.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.246]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA15322 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:58:40 -0400 Posted-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:58:40 -0400 Message-ID: <008001c0c239$4afd1bc0$3fa4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: HJC Symax Convertible Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:41:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Another chapter in the convertible helmet search book: Seems HJC has a recent addition -- the Symax. Quoted by a dealer at $244, at http://www.helmetshop.com/symax.htm for $219.99. No inner sun lens like the Schlereth Concept. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> I get nervous every time those eyeglasses get put aside Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 02:04:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3B64qU10174 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-35-252.s252.tnt9.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.35.252]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14nDkJ-00047a-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:04:51 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 00 zx6r for sale $6,000 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:09:57 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f3B66IU10175 2000 Kawasaki zx6r ninja 600 cc clear maryland title, no liens color is red, 9500+ miles, broken in according to manufacturers recommendations. completely stock, except for light cosmetic blemishes (scuffs), and stickers supporting a few local bike shops. the bike looks good, runs good, should pass any state inspection. Selling because I want the cash to help fund my gsxr 750 project among other things. (and this isn't my only bike). Also will throw in a spare left side plastic, (brand new) and a replacement front rim (because the rim on there has a bend in it, but the tire holds air and has been that way for the past 6 or so months) My insurance on this bike is $304 a year through state farm, full coverage. 27 Y.O. / single / no tickets no accidents / good credit very recent (saturday) picture can be seen at: http://i2.yimg.com/2/4659/g/7/840cb0bb.jpg $6,200 firm save over $2500 instead of buying new. will throw in a matching helmet for $75 more (medium or large) will throw in 2 peice leathers for $200 more Danny From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 02:13:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3B6DQU10377 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-35-252.s252.tnt9.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.35.252]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14nDsc-00056x-00 ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:13:26 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Matthew Patton" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unmarked police cars....watch out Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:18:31 -0700 Message-ID: References: <20010410135918.24246.qmail@theglobe.com> In-Reply-To: <20010410135918.24246.qmail@theglobe.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f3B6ElU10378 I always look for goverment tags and lights on the rear shelf window. danny From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 06:24:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3BAO8U14217 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 06:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JORAU1@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.48.141a8e35 (2527) for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 06:23:59 -0400 (EDT) From: JORAU1@XXXXXX Message-ID: <48.141a8e35.28058abf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 06:23:59 EDT Subject: 85 900 Ninja for sale To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 Hey everyone, I've got a nice 85 Ninja for sale. 18k miles,Corbin seat, new chain and sprockets, new Metzler rear tire, steel brake lines. I bought it last year to get back into riding, rode it 2k in a month and a half and then decided I wnted a bike for longer distances so bought a Concours. Really a nice bike for its age. Asking 2700.00 obo Thanks, John Rau / Columbia From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 07:52:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11508.mail.yahoo.com (web11508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3BBqdU15635 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010411115237.84585.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web11508.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 04:52:37 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 04:52:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Unmarked police cars....watch out To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, Matthew Patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You'll be looking for a long time in VA then. The unmarked cars I've seen (including the Impala) have the standard VA tags (that we all use) and the Blue light specials are part of the brake lights, front markers, etc. Also, no visible antennas are to bee seen. Maybe they have integrated something in with the radio antenna like those old CB antennas? Glenn --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I always look for goverment tags and lights on the > rear shelf window. > > danny __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 07:55:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from portal.east.saic.com (portal.east.saic.com [198.151.13.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3BBtEU15658 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mclmx.saic.com by portal.east.saic.com via smtpd (for dsl027-137-007.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 11:55:14 UT Received: from mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com by mclmx.mail.saic.com; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:55:03 -0400 Received: from mcl-its-exbh01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.11]) by mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2001041107502904864 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:50:29 -0400 Received: by mcl-its-exbh01.saic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <23HMG0RD>; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:55:12 -0400 Message-Id: <6B3D994408CBD11182B300805F15FCBB025563A6@us-mclean-03.mail.saic.com> From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'Leon Begeman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Unmarked police cars....watch out Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:50:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" When just cruising down a multi-lane highway I feel safer if I'm going faster than the flow of traffic because I don't have eyes in the back of my head to watch the people flying up behind me - especially the cars that don't bother getting all the way out of my lane to go around me. -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 5:05 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Unmarked police cars....watch out I dunno about stupid, but it sounds dangerous to me, I had 3 cars and a bike split lanes past me this morning when I did that. Of course in the almost 2 years I've been doing it, no one has managed to hit me -yet-. Leon. --- "Goldberg, Saul" wrote: > It may sound stupid, but we COULD just keep within the > speed limit, or at > least ride slower than most of the surrounding vehicles. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 08:50:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web2.po.com (web2.po.com [204.178.220.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3BCoLU16557 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from www@localhost) by web2.po.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id IAA15916; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200104111246.IAA15916@web2.po.com> X-Authentication-Warning: web2.po.com: www set sender to bnbowesmd@XXXXXX using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Bowes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: pocket TV vs internet on bike Cc: mobacc@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like the pocket TV idea. I do have internet access on my CB750, a Palm VIIx. I dont use it as much as it is in my pocket should I need it. Easy email capabilities. Weather channel and an SOS program with several buttons, one sends LEO, one emergency crew, another tow truck, taxi, tells you the closest food, hotel, and rental car place. They way it works through the AT&T network pinpoints your location to give you the info and send whomever needs to come. $9.99 a month access fee. Hopefully I will never have to use it. Brian in VA '92 CB750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 10:56:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3BEueU18581 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:56:24 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:55:22 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: Aprilia Track days INFO Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f3BEusU18582 Hey All, I spoke with Tanner Shultz from Aprilia about their track days. He sent me the entry from in a Doc format, so if anyone wants it email me directly and I will forward it to you. See below for the requirements Clinton cycles is supposed to be informed about this now. $ 145 for Aprilia Owners $ 185 for non-Aprilia owners. George Cole 00 VFR 99 R6 Rider and Machine Requirements Riders: M-7 Must wear full coverage leathers or approved riding suit, DOT or Snell approved full face helmet, gloves, and boots covering ankles. M-7 No rider may, at any time ride in such a manner as to endanger life or limb of other riders, officials, or guests. M-7 Only the registered rider may ride on the track during ride sessions. M-7 Riders leaving the course may only reenter under the direction of corner workers or the track director. M-7 Alcohol and other intoxicants are forbidden. M-7 Riders understand that this is an educational event and as such any behavior construed by officials as racing will be grounds for ejection from the event. M-7 APRILIA USA, INC. reserves the right to refuse admission to any participant. M-7 Riders ejected from an event forfeit any and all monies paid to dealer or APRILIA USA, INC. Machines: M-7 All machines must pass technical inspection before admittance to the track. M-7 All glass, headlight, and turn signal plastic must be taped or removed. M-7 Machines in the experienced/licensed road race group must be appropriately prepared and safety-wired. M-7 Cooling system must be flushed and replaced with water. Water wetter is allowed. M-7 Side stands are allowed but it is recommended that they be removed. George M Cole Technology Consultant www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 1-888-240-3154 From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 11:34:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay02.equinox.net ([204.68.168.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3BFYlU19241 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 732 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2001 15:25:42 -0000 Received: from h147.s242.netsol.com (HELO ?216.168.242.147?) (216.168.242.147) by relay02.equinox.net with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 15:25:42 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: johnw@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:25:13 -0400 To: From: John West Subject: Anyone riding to Honda Hoot? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" A friend is heading to the Honda Hoot after work on Tuesday June 19th, hoping to get halfway to Knoxville before continuing on Wednesday morning. He's looking for a riding buddy. Anyone else planning something similar? Contact me via email and I'll give you his info. -john From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 11:47:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3BFljU19516 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2BHFMPMA>; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:44:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Another kind of racing Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:44:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For all those who have wondered about Bill Huson and my e-mails about outboard racing, my story about this grassroots river racing appeared in today's Washington Post. Bill and other boat racers will hopefully forgive me for any factual errors made related to my complete landlubber nature. Bill suggested this story idea to me after another report that I did about rental motorcycles (a reprint of which can be found on the dccycles Web site). I would be more than happy to hear any other story suggestions listers might have - as you can tell, the stories that interest me are the ones a little off the beaten track. Alas, motorcycle racing didn't seem to interest the Post folks as much is this aquatic kind. Bests, Erik 01 KLR650 http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2324-2001Apr10.html Ready . . . Set . . .WHOA! In North Carolina, Small Racing Boats Make a Big Splash By Erik Schelzig Special to The Washington Post Wednesday, April 11, 2001; Page C02 As the early morning mist lifted off North Carolina's placid Pasquotank river, brothers Dave and Gary Augustine strapped me into a full body, Kevlar-weave rip suit and life jacket. I lowered myself into the snug cockpit, still fiddling with a latch on my high-visibility orange helmet. Dave rattled off instructions on how to handle this small outboard powerboat, most of which I didn't understand, landlubber that I am. It was not much bigger than a surfboard; but its 350cc engine pushes it through the water more like a dragster. "And remember, don't try to turn right," Dave said, pull-starting the motor. The vessel lurched forward before I could ask him why. As the boat picked up speed, l shifted my weight forward to help bring the boat up onto a plane. Kneeling in the foot-wide driver's area, I gripped the steering wheel with my right hand and pulled the throttle lever with my left. Here goes. I pointed the boat downriver and squeezed the throttle. The craft gathered speed so furiously I could barely utter three or four select curse words before I had to cut the gas and turn around, a few hundred yards from where I'd started. These particular outboard-motored boats, known as kneel-down hydros, can almost literally fly. If you know what you're doing, little other than the propeller hits the water on the straightaways. At full steam on a calm river, the sensation is kind of like running in socks on a freshly waxed kitchen floor, with only an illusion of control, and the sense that you couldn't stop if you wanted to. As the hull skids above the water, a rooster-tail of water rises high behind the boat as a testament to this gravity-defying act. If you don't know what you're doing, however, things can get pretty ugly: If you try to turn right at speed, you are likely to be violently flipped out of your boat, as they are designed only for the full-speed left-hand turns on their counterclockwise courses. If you do flip into the racing water, the Kevlar rip suit is there to protect your flesh from the screaming propeller of a competitor's boat. I was surprised -- and a bit frightened -- at how casually the Augustines invited a lubber like me into the cockpit. The amateur powerboat races held each spring and fall near the one-stoplight town of Camden, N.C. -- a couple of miles north of Elizabeth City -- bookend the summer powerboat season. Regional outboard and inboard races will take place in coming weeks in Maryland (Denton, Cambridge, Kent Narrows, Baltimore), Virginia (Hampton) and New Jersey (Millville, West Milford). (See box for details.) My wife and I had pulled into our Elizabeth City motel one midnight last year for our first view of small-boat racing. We had a hard time finding a parking spot between the pickup trucks with boat trailers, which the chain-smoking receptionist in the lobby blamed on a bass fishing tournament going on that day. She called me "Hon" and checked us in. In the morning, I was waved into a makeshift parking lot near the river where ours was just about the only sedan among pickups, SUVs and trailers, with license plates from as far away as Texas, Alabama and Massachusetts. At waterside, it was a festive, family scene. Around the "pits" (really just improvised boat stands on the river bank), children and dogs chased each other in and out of hiding places and a local Boy Scout troop had set up a concession stand selling coffee and hot chocolate to the morning crowd. It would have seemed like any other tranquil riverside weekend, except that the socializing was intermittently shattered by the squeal of revving engines as the teams fine-tuned their race boats. Most had come expressly for the races, but this area attracts all manner of waterside tourists. Nearby is the Great Dismal Canal, which runs through the swamp of the same name and connects these waters to the Chesapeake Bay in Virginia. It is the oldest continuously operated canal in the United States and forms part of the Atlantic Intracoastal Waterway. During the races, the Coast Guard blocks off traffic on the river, allowing boats to pass the race only between race segments. After the Augustines allowed me my tiny test run around the buoy-marked one-mile oval, the real heats got underway. As I waited for my knees to stop shaking, the hard-core outboard boat race enthusiasts on the shore started paying attention to the action on the water. Given the signal to assemble for the start, a dozen boats shot out of the pits like a swarm of bees, circling around the course and assembling toward the start of the straightaway. Racers try to time their flying starts across the line at full speed just as the oversize clock counts down to zero. Passing the line too early results in disqualification; passing it too late gives the advantage to your competitor. Top speeds for the various categories range from 45 mph in the Junior class for ages 9 to 14, to more than 100 mph in the modified engine and fuels categories. Following the furious start, the boats crammed around the first turn, with little other than little orange helmets poking out between the rooster tails of water rising around the boats. Racers earn points based on the order they finish, and the winners of a given class of outboard are designated based on the aggregate point total from two heats. Individual weekend race results add up to national point standings. Dave Augustine took my test boat out in the second race of the day, promptly got off to a slow start, and then punctured an inflatable buoy, which clung comically to the front of the boat as he completed the race toward the back of the pack. "I had a bad engine, bad start and couldn't turn," Dave explained later. "Other than that, everything was great!" Outboard boat racing traces its roots back to the 1930s when production outboard motors first became available. The sport saw its heyday in the 1950s and 1960s, which is when the Augustines, who are part of a Washington area family of patent searchers, built their first outboard racer. Since then, the Augustines have had up to four generations racing at one time. Currently, Augustine siblings, cousins, children and wives race, manage, referee, keep score and man the rescue boat. But the sport has come upon harder times lately, as the appeal in watersports has shifted from handmade power boats to mass-produced personal watercraft. Annandale resident Bill Huson has been involved in outboard racing since the 1980s and has watched the sport become more specialized, but also increasingly obscure. "This is not a turnkey operation," says Huson of the sport's demands for investment and training. Unlike Jet Skis, which novices simply launch and drive, outboard powerboats require endless tuning, maintenance and finesse. One false move and the engine can blow, or the boat can lift out of the water and flip over backward. A full tank of gas will last almost exactly the duration of the three laps, and you don't need a helmet and the lightweight equivalent of body armor to ride a Jet Ski. Meanwhile, as the racers were finishing on the water, the meal was being prepared on the shore. Precisely 497 pounds of pork were roasting in three oil drum-size cookers -- all this and trimmings for a crowd of about 300 people. As darkness fell, the intense competitive rush of the races gave way to the mellow calm of the evening. The younger fans and racers began assembling material for a bonfire for the post-race festivities, and the older crowd started gravitating toward the refrigerated trailer full of beer kegs. The Augustines, meanwhile, opened a couple of bottles of wine near the faded Augustine Racing Team sign on their boat trailer, and toasted each other on a day that was, if not victorious, at least a whole lot of fun. And they began planning for the next one. ESCAPE KEYS GETTING THERE: Camden and Elizabeth City are just south of the Great Dismal Swamp, near the North Carolina-Virginia border. Take I-95 south to I-64 east at Richmond, then U.S. 17 south from Norfolk to Elizabeth City. Drive east on Route 158 to Camden's only traffic light. Turn left onto Route 343 for about 2.5 miles, and left again onto Shipyard Landing Road, which quickly turns to gravel and leads straight to the pits. THE RACES: This year's Camden, N.C., races on the Pasquotank River are April 21-22. Races are scheduled at Kent Narrows, Md., April 28-29, at the Choptank River Yacht Club in Denton, Md., July 14-15, and elsewhere in the Chesapeake Bay area through the summer. See a schedule and information on local racing clubs at the Web site of the American Power Boat Association at www.apba.org. STAYING THERE: Camping is free along the riverside during the event. In Elizabeth City, the generic Albemarle Inn (306 S. Hughes Blvd., 252-338-8900) and Holiday Inn (522 S. Hughes Blvd., 252-338-3951) offer basic accommodations for around $50 per night. Bring beach chairs, earplugs, sunscreen -- and about $2,000 if you want to buy a used, race-ready outboard boat. EATING: If concession stand fare at the races is not for you, Mulligan's Waterfront Grille, at 400 S. Water St. in Elizabeth City (252-331-2431), offers wharf-side dining outside of earshot of races. Entrees range from $6 to $26 for hefty portions. INFO: The Elizabeth City Chamber of Commerce, 252-335-4365, www.elizcity.com. M-) 2001 The Washington Post Company From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 12:34:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3BGXxU20264 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-41-17.s271.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.17] helo=pawilson) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14nNZ8-0005pw-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:33:58 -0400 Message-ID: <021d01c0c2a5$795e7600$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Buell cop bikes Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:30:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 It seems the US Park Police now have a couple of Buell Blast! "panda" motorcycles. I saw one down near the Lincoln Memorial. No lights, radios, etc., just white with black hard bags and ticket book bungeed to the seat and simple markings. I heard that thing behind me and did a double take. Now I've seen everything: a cop pocket thumper. Beats those crappy CB250s that the MPD and Capitol Police have. Paul in DC 91 CB750 95 VFR750 (maybe!) From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 12:54:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3BGs3U20605 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id MAA02495; Wed, 11 Apr 1973 12:02:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 1973 12:02:32 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Pflieger, Matthew M." cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Unmarked police cars....watch out In-Reply-To: <6B3D994408CBD11182B300805F15FCBB025563A6@us-mclean-03.mail.saic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Pflieger, Matthew M. wrote: > When just cruising down a multi-lane highway I feel safer if I'm going > faster than the flow of traffic because I don't have eyes in the back of my > head to watch the people flying up behind me - especially the cars that > don't bother getting all the way out of my lane to go around me. > If they're flying up behind you faster than you're going, then it doesn't matter how fast you're going. Do you not have mirrors? --garcia "We're lost, but we're making good time." From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 14:21:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from portal.east.saic.com (portal.east.saic.com [198.151.13.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3BILlU22113 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mclmx.saic.com by portal.east.saic.com via smtpd (for dsl027-137-007.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 18:21:47 UT Received: from mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com by mclmx.mail.saic.com; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:21:36 -0400 Received: from mcl-its-exbh01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.11]) by mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2001041114165927604 ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:16:59 -0400 Received: by mcl-its-exbh01.saic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <23HMH2XK>; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:21:42 -0400 Message-Id: <6B3D994408CBD11182B300805F15FCBB025563AE@us-mclean-03.mail.saic.com> From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'Garcia Oliver'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Unmarked police cars....watch out Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:16:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The faster you go, the fewer people there are flying up on your tail and passing you while still in your lane. Personally, I'm most comfortable going ~75-80ish on the *95 highways so that few people fly up on me, and yet I'm passing people with only about a 10mph speed differential at most. Mirrors are great, but I don't care to spend more time looking in them than where I'm going. -----Original Message----- From: Garcia Oliver [mailto:garicao@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 1973 1:03 PM To: Pflieger, Matthew M. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Unmarked police cars....watch out On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Pflieger, Matthew M. wrote: > When just cruising down a multi-lane highway I feel safer if I'm going > faster than the flow of traffic because I don't have eyes in the back of my > head to watch the people flying up behind me - especially the cars that > don't bother getting all the way out of my lane to go around me. > If they're flying up behind you faster than you're going, then it doesn't matter how fast you're going. Do you not have mirrors? --garcia "We're lost, but we're making good time." From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 16:33:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3BKX5U24343 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-45.patriot.net [209.249.180.45]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3BKWvY16245; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:32:57 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD4BE22.13FEA9BB@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:27:14 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Another kind of racing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Excellant! Thanks for the great writeup. If any of y`all decide to scoot south for the event, observe the sign at the NC border "Motorcycles must burn headlights" I've often wondered why anyone would want to burn a perfectly good headlight... But if you must, the campfire will be roaring on Saturday nite. Bill eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > For all those who have wondered about Bill Huson and my e-mails about > outboard racing, my story about this grassroots river racing appeared in > today's Washington Post. Bill and other boat racers will hopefully forgive > me for any factual errors made related to my complete landlubber nature. > Bill suggested this story idea to me after another report that I did about > rental motorcycles (a reprint of which can be found on the dccycles Web > site). I would be more than happy to hear any other story suggestions > listers might have - as you can tell, the stories that interest me are the > ones a little off the beaten track. Alas, motorcycle racing didn't seem to > interest the Post folks as much is this aquatic kind. > > Bests, > > Erik > > 01 KLR650 > > http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2324-2001Apr10.html > > Ready . . . Set . . .WHOA! > In North Carolina, Small Racing Boats Make a Big Splash > > By Erik Schelzig > Special to The Washington Post > Wednesday, April 11, 2001; Page C02 > > As the early morning mist lifted off North Carolina's placid Pasquotank > river, brothers Dave and Gary Augustine strapped me into a full body, > Kevlar-weave rip suit and life jacket. I lowered myself into the snug > cockpit, still fiddling with a latch on my high-visibility orange helmet. > Dave rattled off instructions on how to handle this small outboard > powerboat, most of which I didn't understand, landlubber that I am. It was > not much bigger than a surfboard; but its 350cc engine pushes it through the > water more like a dragster. > > "And remember, don't try to turn right," Dave said, pull-starting the motor. > The vessel lurched forward before I could ask him why. > > As the boat picked up speed, l shifted my weight forward to help bring the > boat up onto a plane. Kneeling in the foot-wide driver's area, I gripped the > steering wheel with my right hand and pulled the throttle lever with my > left. Here goes. I pointed the boat downriver and squeezed the throttle. The > craft gathered speed so furiously I could barely utter three or four select > curse words before I had to cut the gas and turn around, a few hundred yards > from where I'd started. > > These particular outboard-motored boats, known as kneel-down hydros, can > almost literally fly. If you know what you're doing, little other than the > propeller hits the water on the straightaways. At full steam on a calm > river, the sensation is kind of like running in socks on a freshly waxed > kitchen floor, with only an illusion of control, and the sense that you > couldn't stop if you wanted to. As the hull skids above the water, a > rooster-tail of water rises high behind the boat as a testament to this > gravity-defying act. > > If you don't know what you're doing, however, things can get pretty ugly: If > you try to turn right at speed, you are likely to be violently flipped out > of your boat, as they are designed only for the full-speed left-hand turns > on their counterclockwise courses. If you do flip into the racing water, the > Kevlar rip suit is there to protect your flesh from the screaming propeller > of a competitor's boat. I was surprised -- and a bit frightened -- at how > casually the Augustines invited a lubber like me into the cockpit. > > The amateur powerboat races held each spring and fall near the one-stoplight > town of Camden, N.C. -- a couple of miles north of Elizabeth City -- bookend > the summer powerboat season. Regional outboard and inboard races will take > place in coming weeks in Maryland (Denton, Cambridge, Kent Narrows, > Baltimore), Virginia (Hampton) and New Jersey (Millville, West Milford). > (See box for details.) > > My wife and I had pulled into our Elizabeth City motel one midnight last > year for our first view of small-boat racing. We had a hard time finding a > parking spot between the pickup trucks with boat trailers, which the > chain-smoking receptionist in the lobby blamed on a bass fishing tournament > going on that day. She called me "Hon" and checked us in. > > In the morning, I was waved into a makeshift parking lot near the river > where ours was just about the only sedan among pickups, SUVs and trailers, > with license plates from as far away as Texas, Alabama and Massachusetts. At > waterside, it was a festive, family scene. Around the "pits" (really just > improvised boat stands on the river bank), children and dogs chased each > other in and out of hiding places and a local Boy Scout troop had set up a > concession stand selling coffee and hot chocolate to the morning crowd. It > would have seemed like any other tranquil riverside weekend, except that the > socializing was intermittently shattered by the squeal of revving engines as > the teams fine-tuned their race boats. > > Most had come expressly for the races, but this area attracts all manner of > waterside tourists. Nearby is the Great Dismal Canal, which runs through the > swamp of the same name and connects these waters to the Chesapeake Bay in > Virginia. It is the oldest continuously operated canal in the United States > and forms part of the Atlantic Intracoastal Waterway. During the races, the > Coast Guard blocks off traffic on the river, allowing boats to pass the race > only between race segments. > > After the Augustines allowed me my tiny test run around the buoy-marked > one-mile oval, the real heats got underway. As I waited for my knees to stop > shaking, the hard-core outboard boat race enthusiasts on the shore started > paying attention to the action on the water. > > Given the signal to assemble for the start, a dozen boats shot out of the > pits like a swarm of bees, circling around the course and assembling toward > the start of the straightaway. Racers try to time their flying starts across > the line at full speed just as the oversize clock counts down to zero. > Passing the line too early results in disqualification; passing it too late > gives the advantage to your competitor. Top speeds for the various > categories range from 45 mph in the Junior class for ages 9 to 14, to more > than 100 mph in the modified engine and fuels categories. Following the > furious start, the boats crammed around the first turn, with little other > than little orange helmets poking out between the rooster tails of water > rising around the boats. > > Racers earn points based on the order they finish, and the winners of a > given class of outboard are designated based on the aggregate point total > from two heats. Individual weekend race results add up to national point > standings. > > Dave Augustine took my test boat out in the second race of the day, promptly > got off to a slow start, and then punctured an inflatable buoy, which clung > comically to the front of the boat as he completed the race toward the back > of the pack. > > "I had a bad engine, bad start and couldn't turn," Dave explained later. > "Other than that, everything was great!" > > Outboard boat racing traces its roots back to the 1930s when production > outboard motors first became available. The sport saw its heyday in the > 1950s and 1960s, which is when the Augustines, who are part of a Washington > area family of patent searchers, built their first outboard racer. Since > then, the Augustines have had up to four generations racing at one time. > Currently, Augustine siblings, cousins, children and wives race, manage, > referee, keep score and man the rescue boat. > > But the sport has come upon harder times lately, as the appeal in > watersports has shifted from handmade power boats to mass-produced personal > watercraft. Annandale resident Bill Huson has been involved in outboard > racing since the 1980s and has watched the sport become more specialized, > but also increasingly obscure. "This is not a turnkey operation," says Huson > of the sport's demands for investment and training. Unlike Jet Skis, which > novices simply launch and drive, outboard powerboats require endless tuning, > maintenance and finesse. One false move and the engine can blow, or the boat > can lift out of the water and flip over backward. A full tank of gas will > last almost exactly the duration of the three laps, and you don't need a > helmet and the lightweight equivalent of body armor to ride a Jet Ski. > > Meanwhile, as the racers were finishing on the water, the meal was being > prepared on the shore. Precisely 497 pounds of pork were roasting in three > oil drum-size cookers -- all this and trimmings for a crowd of about 300 > people. As darkness fell, the intense competitive rush of the races gave way > to the mellow calm of the evening. The younger fans and racers began > assembling material for a bonfire for the post-race festivities, and the > older crowd started gravitating toward the refrigerated trailer full of beer > kegs. > > The Augustines, meanwhile, opened a couple of bottles of wine near the faded > Augustine Racing Team sign on their boat trailer, and toasted each other on > a day that was, if not victorious, at least a whole lot of fun. And they > began planning for the next one. > > ESCAPE KEYS > > GETTING THERE: Camden and Elizabeth City are just south of the Great Dismal > Swamp, near the North Carolina-Virginia border. Take I-95 south to I-64 east > at Richmond, then U.S. 17 south from Norfolk to Elizabeth City. Drive east > on Route 158 to Camden's only traffic light. Turn left onto Route 343 for > about 2.5 miles, and left again onto Shipyard Landing Road, which quickly > turns to gravel and leads straight to the pits. > > THE RACES: This year's Camden, N.C., races on the Pasquotank River are April > 21-22. Races are scheduled at Kent Narrows, Md., April 28-29, at the > Choptank River Yacht Club in Denton, Md., July 14-15, and elsewhere in the > Chesapeake Bay area through the summer. See a schedule and information on > local racing clubs at the Web site of the American Power Boat Association at > www.apba.org. > > STAYING THERE: Camping is free along the riverside during the event. In > Elizabeth City, the generic Albemarle Inn (306 S. Hughes Blvd., > 252-338-8900) and Holiday Inn (522 S. Hughes Blvd., 252-338-3951) offer > basic accommodations for around $50 per night. Bring beach chairs, earplugs, > sunscreen -- and about $2,000 if you want to buy a used, race-ready outboard > boat. > > EATING: If concession stand fare at the races is not for you, Mulligan's > Waterfront Grille, at 400 S. Water St. in Elizabeth City (252-331-2431), > offers wharf-side dining outside of earshot of races. Entrees range from $6 > to $26 for hefty portions. > > INFO: The Elizabeth City Chamber of Commerce, 252-335-4365, > www.elizcity.com. > M-) 2001 The Washington Post Company From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 17:14:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3BLE6U24998 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-40-148.s148.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.148] helo=pawilson) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14nRwC-0003su-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:14:05 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c0c2cc$9b1c1640$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Another kind of racing Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:15:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Wilson To: OT Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 5:13 PM Subject: [dccycles2] Re: Another kind of racing > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William J. Huson > > If any of y`all decide to scoot south > > for the event, observe the sign at the NC border "Motorcycles must burn > > headlights" I've often wondered why anyone would want to burn a > perfectly good > > headlight... > > That's an anachronism all right. Cars have had electric lights since about > 1915 or so, before that acetylene which does "burn." Of course they could > say "use" headlights, and then some wiseacre would "use" one as a backrest > or something, like the dopey law in Delaware that mandates helmet > "possession" but doesn't say you actually have to wear the damn thing. > > Trivia time: daytime headlight use by MCs is not mandatory in DC. > > Paul in DC > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > dccycles2-unsubscribe@XXXXXX > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 20:22:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3C0M4U28171 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24748 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Apr 2001 00:22:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20010412002203.24747.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:22:00 -0500 Subject: Danny Walker is *way* cool maybe it's an accounting mistake but they haven't fixed it in a week and the order of transactions makes me think otherwise. I recently discovered that his American Supercamp school credited me my deposit and charged me only for one full day of classes (no HRCS discount) apparently in response to my fall. If you will recall I crashed and dislocated my shoulder essentially first thing on the 2nd day and sat out till 3pm (some 5hrs later). If Danny really had his accountant do this then I am flat-out amazed and nearly speechless. That or those were mightly valuable donuts and milk I brought that morning... Danny really is a great guy and I think his students would say the same. Even if, as Brian pointed out, the technique may not be all that necessary with modern hardware. But I look at it like this: the bikes I ride aren't exactly cutting edge or expensive. So maybe there is something I can take away from the lessons. Even if I never did a track day and found myself nipping at the 100mph mark on a regular basis. -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 20:56:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3C0u2U28649 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 20685 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2001 17:55:54 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 17:55:54 -0700 X-Sent: 12 Apr 2001 00:55:54 GMT Message-ID: <00df01c0c2eb$555dfd20$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Matthew Patton" , References: <20010412002203.24747.qmail@theglobe.com> Subject: Re: Danny Walker is *way* cool Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:55:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 >>Danny really is a great guy and I think his students would say the same. Absolutely he is, and so is his team. Danny said he'd refund the full amount for my class, or he'd transfer it to the November session. they definitely aren't money hungry, they just want people to enjoy what they are teaching. LAG From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 21:19:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3C1JRU29046 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-69-150.s404.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.69.150] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14nVle-0004mX-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:19:26 -0400 Message-ID: <002f01c0c2ee$872185e0$96452c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: References: <200104112301.f3BN1L426784@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: have patience Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:18:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Sent: 11 Apr 2001 02:08:41 GMT From: "Laura Granato" I know there are a few links that don't work on the site and some other minor problems, but since I'm not an HTML expert, I'll have to wait till Roachie is back in town to help me fix them. Just wanted to let you know before my e-mail box gets flooded. ;-) LAG ---------------------------------------------------------- Roachie?...ugh... From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 21:27:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3C1RGU29223 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25590 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Apr 2001 01:27:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20010412012715.25589.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:27:13 -0500 Subject: new Palm + GPS solution at least to me it is. check it out. $55 for a GPS receiver and mapping software? wow! The bummer is it doesn't work with the 3c which is what I have. *sob* http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/store/strProductDetail.jsp?prod_id=1009865&BV_SessionID=@@@@1154354698.0987038715@@@@&BV_EngineID=calkilkekdgbfdmcfhjchhcji.0 -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 21:34:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3C1YZU29332 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-69-150.s404.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.69.150] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14nW0H-0004C6-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:34:34 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c0c2f0$a432b4e0$96452c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: References: <200104112301.f3BN1L426784@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Buell Cop Bikes Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:33:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I love it! Replace one humiliation for another. Don't they ride around on the Honda Rebel 250 as well? Or am I thinking of the third-tier DC moto-cop...hehehe Todd (Springfield) > From: "Paul Wilson" > > It seems the US Park Police now have a couple of Buell Blast! "panda" > motorcycles. I saw one down near the Lincoln Memorial. No lights, radios, > etc., just white with black hard bags and ticket book bungeed to the seat > and simple markings. I heard that thing behind me and did a double take. > Now I've seen everything: a cop pocket thumper. Beats those crappy CB250s > that the MPD and Capitol Police have. > > Paul in DC > 91 CB750 > 95 VFR750 (maybe!) From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 21:37:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3C1brU29444 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30894 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Apr 2001 01:37:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20010412013752.30893.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:37:50 -0500 Subject: trade palm IIIc for IIIvx since it relates to my previous post... the 3c has 16 colors, 8mb, internal recharable battery etc. anyone? -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 11 21:42:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3C1ghU29541 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (p62.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.190]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12391; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD50879.20501@radix.net> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:44:25 -0400 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Buell Cop Bikes References: <200104112301.f3BN1L426784@dirty.meretrix.com> <003901c0c2f0$a432b4e0$96452c42@c9rnf01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer gloated: > I love it! Replace one humiliation for another. Don't they ride around on > the Honda Rebel 250 as well? Or am I thinking of the third-tier DC > moto-cop...hehehe Well, the standard of training with MPD only requires that you be a multi cell life form, but my former neighbor was a Capitol hill cop. Despite not being a rider himself, he had to learn... on a Rebel... even up & down stiars... -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 06:11:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3CABIU08057 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 06:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.3c.a41f883 (16487) for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 06:11:05 -0400 (EDT) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3c.a41f883.2806d939@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 06:11:05 EDT Subject: Re: Buell Cop Bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 > I love it! Replace one humiliation for another. Don't they ride around on > the Honda Rebel 250 as well? Or am I thinking of the third-tier DC > moto-cop...hehehe The Buells are on loan from Harley. It's unlikely that any will be purchased because they have the muffler below the engine and it would only be a matter of time before they started getting smashed off while curb hopping. It's also a hard sell trying to get anything more expensive that the cheapest 250. Humiliation - you gotta be kidding. I can think of far worse things than getting paid to ride a motorcycle. Having been assigned to ride the 250's, the 500's, and the full size Harleys I can tell you that the 250's are the most fun. Not too good on a highway, but more mobile around town and sooooo much lighter. I'd love to see the department replace the whole 250 fleet with dual-sports. Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 08:30:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3CCU5U10140 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010412123004.13653.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.39.76] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 05:30:04 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 05:30:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: have patience To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <002f01c0c2ee$872185e0$96452c42@c9rnf01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Peer wrote: > X-Sent: 11 Apr 2001 02:08:41 GMT > From: "Laura Granato" > > I know there are a few links that don't work on the site > and some other minor problems, but since I'm not an HTML > expert, I'll have to wait till Roachie is back in town to > help me fix them. Just wanted to let you know > before my e-mail box gets flooded. ;-) > > LAG > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Roachie?...ugh... agreed and it's probably only a matter of time before we're also privy to the nickname of his johnson.... ugh ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 08:57:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11201.mail.yahoo.com (web11201.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3CCvJU10533 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010412125718.71401.qmail@web11201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11201.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 05:57:18 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 05:57:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: have patience To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010412123004.13653.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I hope it's not also named Roachie. That would be bad. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > X-Sent: 11 Apr 2001 02:08:41 GMT > > From: "Laura Granato" > > > > I know there are a few links that don't work on > the site > > and some other minor problems, but since I'm not > an HTML > > expert, I'll have to wait till Roachie is back in > town to > > > help me fix them. Just wanted to let you know > > before my e-mail box gets flooded. ;-) > > > > LAG > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Roachie?...ugh... > > agreed > > and it's probably only a matter of time before we're > also > privy to the nickname of his johnson.... > > ugh > > > > > ===== > tg > > check out www.murphygimer.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 09:12:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mcnte1.mc.cc.md.us ([160.253.138.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3CDCYU10798 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MCNTE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2Q9KK0BH>; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:10:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: have patience/Such Language! Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:10:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Shouldn't we be sent to our rooms with no dinner for thinking inside someone else's pants as we are? But since you mentioned it, "roachie" does conjure up some bizarre, and yet also intriguing images. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Rosenstock [mailto:m_rosenstock@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:57 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: have patience I hope it's not also named Roachie. That would be bad. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > X-Sent: 11 Apr 2001 02:08:41 GMT > > From: "Laura Granato" > > > > I know there are a few links that don't work on > the site > > and some other minor problems, but since I'm not > an HTML > > expert, I'll have to wait till Roachie is back in > town to > > > help me fix them. Just wanted to let you know > > before my e-mail box gets flooded. ;-) > > > > LAG > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Roachie?...ugh... > > agreed > > and it's probably only a matter of time before we're > also > privy to the nickname of his johnson.... > > ugh > > > > > ===== > tg > > check out www.murphygimer.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 09:53:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3CDrkU11449 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1232 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Apr 2001 13:53:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20010412135345.1231.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:53:41 -0500 Subject: STAR in 'lions country' The annual gathering of the Honda (now any brand) Sport Touring Association will meet in State College, PA this year. Several of us will be in the area on sat June 23rd for Pridmore's CLASS @ Rouch Creek. I figure to stay in the area, visit my cousin in Harrisburg and then go to STAR. Anyone want to go too? -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 10:01:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from worldtalk1.cooley.com (smtp-pebbles-wtalk.cooley.com [204.253.195.206]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3CE1MU11601 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 10.11.50.23 by worldtalk1.cooley.com with ESMTP ( WorldSecure Server SMTP Relay(WSS) v4.5); Thu, 12 Apr 2001 06:59:58 -0700 X-Server-Uuid: c4da1ae6-7048-11d2-bc8e-00a083360239 Received: by reexchange.cooley.com with Internet Mail Service ( 5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:00:16 -0400 Message-ID: <7FEDB62047F5D311ACA10090274035030133C324@reexchange.cooley.com> From: "Lee, Robert" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Ride an Aprilia on the track 4/16 Pocono - 5/4 Summit Point Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:00:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-WSS-ID: 16CB6B5418690-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you'd like the opportunity to ride an Aprilia RS250 or MilleR Team Pro-Motion has them available for track days in 2001. This coming Monday at Pocono Raceway is a corporate track day sponsored by Aprilia. TPM will be running the event and there will be multiple Aprilias there to look, touch, sit on and ride (for a fee). If you can't get the boss to let you off to ride an exotic then plan on May 4, Friday, at Summit Point where TPM is having a track day on the Full course. This is a track day and a fee is required to ride your own bike in addition to a fee if you'd like to try an Aprilia. Information and signup can be had by calling TPM at 215-675-5080 or online at www.teampromotion.com The 4/16 event is not listed on the Events page, I'd suggest calling for the details. I control ride for them and will not be able to attend but hear there are only 30-40 attendees for Monday. Lots of track time when there are small numbers. Stay safe, hope to see any of you CCS fellow racers at VIR this weekend. #695 Amatuer Kawi ex500, black/yellow paint scheme. aloha robert lee ======================================================= This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 10:13:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3CEDhU11778 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.d6.4f1af49 (15876); Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web36.aolmail.aol.com (web36.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.12]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.37) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:13:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:13:10 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: have patience To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: It's probably named "cockroachie". LOL Sorry. Couldn't resist. :-) Scooter In a message dated Thu, 12 Apr 2001 8:58:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Matthew Rosenstock writes: << I hope it's not also named Roachie. That would be bad. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Todd Peer wrote: > > X-Sent: 11 Apr 2001 02:08:41 GMT > > From: "Laura Granato" > > > > I know there are a few links that don't work on > the site > > and some other minor problems, but since I'm not > an HTML > > expert, I'll have to wait till Roachie is back in > town to > > > help me fix them. Just wanted to let you know > > before my e-mail box gets flooded. ;-) > > > > LAG > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Roachie?...ugh... > > agreed > > and it's probably only a matter of time before we're > also > privy to the nickname of his johnson.... > > ugh > > > > > ===== > tg > > check out www.murphygimer.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 10:34:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3CEYcU12149 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.15]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id KAA19297; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:34:33 -0400 X-Really-To: Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:38:17 -0400 Message-ID: <01C0C33C.AFB71800.dthompso1@erols.com> From: Danny Thompson Reply-To: "dthompso1@XXXXXX" To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" , "SV list on Micapeak (E-mail)" , "Superhawk (E-mail)" Subject: test...disregard Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:38:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 11 TEXT Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '98 VTR '00 SV (For SALE) www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 11:27:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3CFRDU13057 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXJKdkY2/xoz63JDm/a729nk9TKutmOb/YQ=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id F2T8NGZV; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:26:18 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:25:05 -0400 Subject: Summit Point Practice Days (Racers) Message-ID: <20010412.112521.-330307.6.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,11,13-15,17,19,21 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Tell Roger Tom sent ya: Hello All, The racing season is here and the first practice day is April 18th; Tune and Test Day for motorcycle racers at Summit Point Raceway. There are spots available and anyone interested can contact Roger Lyle at 301-933-2599 or e-mail to rogerlyle@XXXXXX. The second practice day is on May 11 and that is the MARRC Track Day at Summit Point. The 2001 Summit Point Raceway Scedule had these dates mixed up, so this is the correction. If you would like to pre-register for any of these days, contact Roger Lyle or show up on the day. The T& T Days are limited to 60 racers and the MARRC Track Day is not. Have a good day! Roger Lyle Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *A.F.S. Contractor Inc.-Home Insurance Recovery Specialist (www.unitedwebuild.com/afs.html) *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX) From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 11:30:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11202.mail.yahoo.com (web11202.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.184]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3CFUcU13136 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010412153037.84398.qmail@web11202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11202.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:30:37 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:30:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Highway Safety To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I sent an e-mail to the MD State Highway Administration about the grooved on ramp from eastbound Democracy Blvd to 270. I nearly fell over it's grooved so deep. It's been this way for a long time, probably over a year. Here is his answer. Highway safety my ass. Dear Mr. Rosenstock: Thank you for your recent email regarding your concerns along I-270 at Democracy Boulevard in Montgomery County. Let me assure you that roadway safety is our highest priority. This portion of I-270 has been scheduled for reconstruction. The work is expected to begin in May. The diamond grinding of the surface was performed as a result of low friction numbers and for the purpose of providing traction for vehicles in wet road conditions. Although temporary, the highway will remain in this condition until the above referenced reconstruction of I-270 occurs. We will continue to monitor the area and respond as needed to any maintenance concerns. Thank you again for your email. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or my Assistant District Engineer for Maintenance, Mr. Raleigh D. Medley, at 301-513-7300 or 1-800-749-0737. Sincerely, Charlie K. Watkins District Engineer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 11:40:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h017.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.181]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3CFeuU13218 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 26427 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2001 08:40:50 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.181) with SMTP; 12 Apr 2001 08:40:50 -0700 X-Sent: 12 Apr 2001 15:40:50 GMT Message-ID: <015e01c0c366$f5113500$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Tom Gimer" , "Todd Peer" , References: <20010412123004.13653.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: have patience Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:40:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > and it's probably only a matter of time before we're also > privy to the nickname of his johnson.... > I'm not even privy to that information!!!! LAG From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 11:42:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3CFgpU13290 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 20898 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2001 08:42:44 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 12 Apr 2001 08:42:44 -0700 X-Sent: 12 Apr 2001 15:42:44 GMT Message-ID: <017401c0c367$39539280$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Goldberg, Saul" , References: Subject: Re: have patience/Such Language! Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:42:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > Shouldn't we be sent to our rooms with no dinner for thinking inside someone > else's pants as we are? But since you mentioned it, "roachie" does conjure > up some bizarre, and yet also intriguing images. > ok, I think that's enough of this thread...I'm gonna get in trouble. lol ;-) LAG From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 11:48:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from vasfw03.fdic.gov (vasfw03.fdic.gov [192.147.69.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3CFm6U13389 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vasfw03.fdic.gov; id LAA18221; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(151.174.4.145) by vasfw03.fdic.gov via smap (V5.5) id xma017590; Thu, 12 Apr 01 11:46:42 -0400 Received: by s00exc101.fdic.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) id ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:46:46 -0400 Message-ID: <42A213AA7052D21187EB080009DC7807049A6998@s01exc102.fdic.gov> From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: DC Cycles Subject: Warning Re: Sam's Club Bike Lift Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:46:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Folks, I just read what I consider to be a very credible warning from someone on the GWRRA Forum http://www.gwrra.org/ concerning that popular $99 bike lift available at Sam's Club. The poster advised that another member of his Chapter had a lift fail while working on his Gold Wing. Apparently, the OEM bolts that come with the lift were of insufficient strength for such a heavy bike, and sheared right off! No injuries, but substantial damage to the bike as a result. Current recommendations are to a) replace the OEM bolts with bolts of greater tensile strength; and b) ensure the lift is supplemented with blocks or jacks. If I find out anything more, I'll let you'all know asap. P.S. Probably a less significant problem for the non-2wheeled-barcalounger riders out there. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 11:49:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3CFn7U13393 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8439 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2001 15:49:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20010412154905.8438.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:49:05 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:49:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: MD2020 To: DCCycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Forwarded from the RallyMaster. For the record: MD 20-20 stands for Mason Dixon and the 20-20 stands for the perfect rally (OK it would have been perfect "IF" we could've known now what we will know after the rally is over) also, (20 bonus locations NORTH{yanks} and 20 bonus locations SOUTH {rebs} of the MD line. It DOES NOT stand for MAD DOG 20/20......rumored to be a favorite beverage of some rallymasters. RALLY NEWS: as of APRIL 12, 2001, there are 56 CONFIRMED riders, 1 that is resending their entry, we never received it. So if you think you are entered PLEASE check the rider's list on the web page we update EVERY DAY. Out of 56 riders there are 49 riders tied for 1st place and only 10 points behind are 7 riders tied for 2nd place, and yet another rider looking for wheels but he does have his 10 points for correctly following registration directions and one rider that's already under protest from a couple of others so that rider may have to be kicked out of the rally even before it starts (they say he's a professional rider cause he gets paid for riding his motorcycle around the country) we have forwarded this to the rules committee for a decision. SERIOUSLY, PLEASE note that all entries received with a postmark of April 16, 2001, will receive 10 bonus points and their shirts and hats will be guaranteed at time of the rally. After April 16, you will NOT receive 10 bonus points and you "MAY NOT" get your shirt and hat at time of rally BUTT you will receive it in the mail. This is because of the shirt manufacture's lead times. HARLEY TRASH york, pa 00 roadglide "GUFEAR" The 2001 Mason Dixon 20-20: 30 hours of rompin' fun in the Appalachians. new address: www.masondixon20-20.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 12:02:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (59-90-112-64-user.darwin.net [64.112.90.59] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3CG2PU13660 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.122] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id A15A29B300FA; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:01:30 -0400 From: "Ahalan" To: "'Matthew Rosenstock'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Highway Safety Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:01:02 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c0c382$ec0ccac0$3e00000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010412153037.84398.qmail@web11202.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I think you should forward this to the AMA since I believe it shows a misunderstanding and/or disregard by the engineers to how such road conditions can affect motorcyclists. Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Rosenstock [mailto:m_rosenstock@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:31 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: Highway Safety I sent an e-mail to the MD State Highway Administration about the grooved on ramp from eastbound Democracy Blvd to 270. I nearly fell over it's grooved so deep. It's been this way for a long time, probably over a year. Here is his answer. Highway safety my ass. Dear Mr. Rosenstock: Thank you for your recent email regarding your concerns along I-270 at Democracy Boulevard in Montgomery County. Let me assure you that roadway safety is our highest priority. This portion of I-270 has been scheduled for reconstruction. The work is expected to begin in May. The diamond grinding of the surface was performed as a result of low friction numbers and for the purpose of providing traction for vehicles in wet road conditions. Although temporary, the highway will remain in this condition until the above referenced reconstruction of I-270 occurs. We will continue to monitor the area and respond as needed to any maintenance concerns. Thank you again for your email. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or my Assistant District Engineer for Maintenance, Mr. Raleigh D. Medley, at 301-513-7300 or 1-800-749-0737. Sincerely, Charlie K. Watkins District Engineer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 13:48:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3CHmuU15353 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from attglobal.net ([24.10.231.79]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010412174844.JXZR19547.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:48:44 -0700 Message-ID: <3AD5EBF8.44D182BB@attglobal.net> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:55:04 -0400 From: Shigeru Honda X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [ja] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: anyone dropped a helmet? References: <20010412154905.8438.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello, haven't posted for a while but I recently got a '95 Kawasaki GPz1100. Its a heavy bike, I'm still trying to get used to it. I still have the Honda Hawk GT and when I ride it after GPz1100, feels like it doesn't have any weight! Anyway, did anyone here dropped a helmet on south bound 295 (from Baltimore to Willson Bridge direction) little before the sewage plant (blue plane?)? I was on a car and saw a wine red full face helmet on the side of the road. I couldn't stop to take a close look but it looked kind of new. -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 15:01:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3CJ1PU16642 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3CJ1ES20460; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:01:14 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010412145720.02bf90f0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:00:25 -0400 To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Helmet Cam Spam NVFR/OT & Clutch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed FYI - My helmet cam has 19hrs left on the auction. I'd like to sell to someone I know, so bid away! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1228132392 My mechanic claims he will spec out all of my clutch parts, and won't be replacing anything that has life left in it. I think I scared him a little by demanding all of the old parts. Don't get me wrong - I appreciate my local dealership and trust them somewhat ... just not as much as I would like. Still hoping only the springs need replacing. Anxious to get my bike back! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA Buy my HELMET CAM! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1228132392 "Any lie will find believers as long as you tell it with force." --Greta Garbo in "Queen Christina" From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 15:45:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3CJjPU17378 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010412194524.8012.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.200] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:45:24 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:45:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: have patience To: Laura Granato , Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <015e01c0c366$f5113500$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Laura Granato wrote: > > and it's probably only a matter of time before we're > also > > privy to the nickname of his johnson.... > > > I'm not even privy to that information!!!! ahhh.... only a truly brave individual dares battle the nameless, faceless warrior be sure to guard against an attack from the rear! ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 19:50:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3CNoYU21197 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-49-122.s376.tnt5.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.49.122] helo=pawilson) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14nqrB-0003US-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:50:34 -0400 Message-ID: <013001c0c3ab$70828600$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Hepco & Becker cases Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:51:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I've been looking at hard bags for a possible impending purchase of a new (to me) bike. I just can't stomach the appearance of GiVi bags. Frankly I think they're utt bugly and too bulbous. Color matched Corbin beetle bags are sharp, but too small (22 liters) to support their high price (~$900!). Anyway, I ran across these Hepco and Becker bags. Unfortunately the site's English capabilities are not active, but I could make out enough to decide that these may be worth pursuing. http://www.hepco-becker.de/ They're hard to find in the USA (surprise, surprise; the Europeans get all the good stuff) but a shop in Seattle imports them: http://www.motointernational.com/main.htm Paul in DC 91 CB750 (for now) From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 23:29:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f76.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.241.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3D3TDU24497 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:17:06 -0700 Received: from 63.49.151.51 by lw6fd.law6.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 03:17:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.49.151.51] From: "John Kozyn" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: Helmet Cam Spam NVFR/OT & Clutch Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:17:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2001 03:17:06.0353 (UTC) FILETIME=[37CE8210:01C0C3C8] From: Troutman My mechanic claims he will spec out all of my clutch parts, and won't be replacing anything that has life left in it. I think I scared him a little by demanding all of the old parts. Don't get me wrong - I appreciate my local dealership and trust them somewhat ... just not as much as I would like. Still hoping only the springs need replacing. Anxious to get my bike back! === Mike, Why are you sending this work out anyway? Clutch replacing is not a difficult task on the V4. Further, and more importantly, why are you being so tight (cheap) about components? Shit, if it needs replacing, replace it all. But, I'm puzzled. What's wrong with the clutch that springs might need replacing and how did you get to that point anyway? My 95 VFR has 33K on it and the clutch works fine :) JK 95 VFR D-mode _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 12 23:41:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3D3fPU24654 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-165.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.165]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA24873 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:41:23 -0400 Posted-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:41:23 -0400 Message-ID: <011c01c0c3be$3cd26d80$3fa4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Saved a life? Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:05:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Have grown to loath even the faint scent of a loose load -- been immersed in the full stench a couple of times over the past few years. So todays event ended up smelling better than usual. Travelling east on 66 just past W. Falls Church Metro. Moderate traffic. 10:30a. I'm travelling in next to left lane. A panel truck passes on the right, pulls in front. Whoa! The right rear door is open, showing several shorty butane tanks and some paint buckets about 6 inches inside on the floor and shelving. A flimsy restraint string gave no confidence. Holy &*)%$# (It's Easter season, right). I downshift, fullthrottle, and head for the (open) left lane. Abreast of the driver (he looks pretty relaxed), I toot a couple of times and give him a door opening motion a couple of times with my left hand. He looks for a second, points toward the rear of the van, and I nod. Well, fancy dodging is inadequate to describe his next moves to get to the right shoulder: The fellow must have been two notches shy of panic and it couldn't have taken him more than 10 seconds (as my rear view story unfolded). And I ride on, considering my mc gold stars (and perhaps some family's thanks) for the day earned. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Get me loose load radar Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 00:07:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3D470U25099 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010413040700.5503.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.39.76] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:07:00 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:07:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: have patience To: Laura Granato , Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010412194524.8012.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Laura Granato wrote: > > > and it's probably only a matter of time before we're > > > also privy to the nickname of his johnson.... > > > > > I'm not even privy to that information!!!! > > ahhh.... only a truly brave individual dares battle the > nameless, faceless warrior > > be sure to guard against an attack from the rear! after a re-reading of my earlier post, i have come to the conclusion that not only am i a bit odd, i am also not funny sheeesh....there is a cancel button after all ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 07:15:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3DBFaU02514 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.ae.13671fc0 (4260) for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:15:28 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:15:27 EDT Subject: Re: Helmet Cam Spam NVFR/OT & Clutch To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 117 In a message dated 4/12/2001 11:31:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jckozyn@XXXXXX writes: > Why are you sending this work out anyway? Clutch replacing is not a > difficult task on the V4. I second that. (Note I spent 8yrs. as a bike mechanic.) Also did you use any kind of oil additive? Using many additives in a wet clutch can result in clutch failure. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 07:24:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3DBOrU02609 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (p25.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.25]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05104 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD6E275.4010908@radix.net> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:26:45 -0400 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: have patience References: <20010413040700.5503.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer suddenly realized: >> be sure to guard against an attack from the rear! > > > after a re-reading of my earlier post, i have come to the > conclusion that not only am i a bit odd We've known that for years, Tom ;-) -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 08:24:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from host26.cedant.com (host26.cedant.com [209.239.37.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3DCOBU03564 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from therock (pool180-199.patriot.net [209.249.180.199]) by host26.cedant.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f3DCO6117843 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:24:07 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c0c414$8cf17bc0$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: References: Subject: Re: Helmet Cam Spam NVFR/OT & Clutch Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:23:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 My guess is too many clutch wheelies. ;^) Chris Weaver VTR, YSR, dccycles.com ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kozyn > all. But, I'm puzzled. What's wrong with the clutch that springs might need > replacing and how did you get to that point anyway? My 95 VFR has 33K on it > and the clutch works fine :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 08:25:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3DCP6U03570 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-12-42.s550.apx2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.12.42] helo=ElectraGlide) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14o2dL-000300-00 ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:25:04 -0400 Message-ID: <002201c0c414$c3cf32e0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Matthew Rosenstock" , "DC Cycles" References: <20010412153037.84398.qmail@web11202.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Highway Safety Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:25:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Recently ABATE of Maryland members had a series of meetings with State Highway Administration representatives about road conditions that are unsafe for motorcycles. The discussions included those situations where construction is necessary, but adequate warnings must be available for motorcyclists. The topics that were discussed include: 1. Cleaning of the road surface immediately after milling the pavement before the roadway is reopened. 2. Using barrels or cones to direct traffic around raised storm drains and manhole covers. 3. Proper signs and markings to warn motorcyclists prior to entering an area where grooved or uneven pavement exists. 4. Addition of new signs that would have a motorcycle with the words "use extreme caution" 5. Conduct a national search to see if the rumble strips located on Interstate and State highways have a negative safety impact on motorcycles. They put together a list of contact personnel to report dangerous road conditions. The chart includes a contact for each county. The County list follows: District 1 (Dorchester, Somerset, Wicomico, Worcester) Gene Cofiell (410) 543-6715 District 2 (Caroline, Cecil, Kent, Queen Annes, Talbot) Rober Kiel (410) 810-3200 District 3 (Montgomery, Prince George's) Majid Shakib (301) 513-7311 District 4 (Baltimore, Harford) Randall Scott (401) 321-2780 District 5 (Anne Arundel, Calver, Charles, St. Mary's) Lawrence Elliott (410) 841-5450 District 6 (Allegany, Garrett, Washington) George Small (301) 729-8444 District 7 (Carroll, Frederick, Howard) John Concannon (301) 624-8141 If you do not get any assistance from the county representative, a representative at the meeting Wayne Styles, requests that you contact him directly at (410) 787-5864. If you call the Montgomery County representative, I would be most appreciative if you would let me know what response you get and what actions are taken. There will be additional meetings in the future to make sure that the open-ended items are resolved and for us to provide feedback on whether the contact roster system is working. Kathleen Loerich ABATE of Maryland, Inc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Rosenstock" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:30 AM Subject: Highway Safety > I sent an e-mail to the MD State Highway > Administration about the grooved on ramp from > eastbound Democracy Blvd to 270. I nearly fell over > it's grooved so deep. It's been this way for a long > time, probably over a year. Here is his answer. > Highway safety my ass. > > > > Dear Mr. Rosenstock: > > Thank you for your recent email regarding your > concerns along I-270 at Democracy Boulevard in > Montgomery County. Let me assure you that roadway > safety is our highest priority. > > This portion of I-270 has been scheduled for > reconstruction. The work is expected to begin in May. > The diamond grinding of the surface was > performed as a result of low friction numbers and for > the purpose of providing traction for vehicles in wet > road conditions. > > Although temporary, the highway will remain in this > condition until the above referenced reconstruction of > I-270 occurs. We will continue to monitor the area > and respond as needed to any maintenance concerns. > > Thank you again for your email. If you have any > questions, please feel free to contact me or my > Assistant District Engineer for Maintenance, > Mr. Raleigh D. Medley, at 301-513-7300 or > 1-800-749-0737. > > Sincerely, > > > Charlie K. Watkins > District Engineer > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 08:27:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3DCRWU03652 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-12-42.s550.apx2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.12.42] helo=ElectraGlide) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14o2fj-0003IN-00 ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:27:31 -0400 Message-ID: <003e01c0c415$1bcf4660$0100a8c0@mshome.net> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "'Matthew Rosenstock'" , "'DC Cycles'" References: <000101c0c382$ec0ccac0$3e00000a@darwin.net> Subject: Re: Highway Safety Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:27:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 There is an effort in New York that is similar to the one being worked on in Maryland. I am a life AMA member. However, I find that I get a better local response from a local organization. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ahalan" To: "'Matthew Rosenstock'" ; "'DC Cycles'" Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:01 PM Subject: RE: Highway Safety > I think you should forward this to the AMA since I believe it shows a > misunderstanding and/or disregard by the engineers to how such road > conditions can affect motorcyclists. > > > Niv > BMW F650ST > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Rosenstock [mailto:m_rosenstock@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:31 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Highway Safety > > > I sent an e-mail to the MD State Highway > Administration about the grooved on ramp from > eastbound Democracy Blvd to 270. I nearly fell over > it's grooved so deep. It's been this way for a long > time, probably over a year. Here is his answer. > Highway safety my ass. > > > > Dear Mr. Rosenstock: > > Thank you for your recent email regarding your > concerns along I-270 at Democracy Boulevard in > Montgomery County. Let me assure you that roadway > safety is our highest priority. > > This portion of I-270 has been scheduled for > reconstruction. The work is expected to begin in May. > The diamond grinding of the surface was > performed as a result of low friction numbers and for > the purpose of providing traction for vehicles in wet > road conditions. > > Although temporary, the highway will remain in this > condition until the above referenced reconstruction of > I-270 occurs. We will continue to monitor the area > and respond as needed to any maintenance concerns. > > Thank you again for your email. If you have any > questions, please feel free to contact me or my > Assistant District Engineer for Maintenance, > Mr. Raleigh D. Medley, at 301-513-7300 or > 1-800-749-0737. > > Sincerely, > > > Charlie K. Watkins > District Engineer > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 08:42:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3DCgNU03912 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-12-42.s550.apx2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.12.42] helo=ElectraGlide) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14o2u6-0004pL-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:42:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c0c417$2edb74c0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Road Safety - Baltimore Radio Stations Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:42:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0C3F5.A7006A40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0C3F5.A7006A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Recently we were informed at an ABATE of Maryland staff meeting that = some Baltimore radio stations have started a new program. It is called "Friend on the Air". Several Baltimore radio stations = include Ray Hoffman's Motorcycle Awareness Reports for Dangerous Road = Conditions. The stations are: WLIF 101.9 FM WJFK 1300 AM B102.7 Heaven 600 AM Kathleen Loerich ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0C3F5.A7006A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Recently we were informed at an ABATE = of Maryland=20 staff meeting that some Baltimore radio stations have started a new=20 program.
 
It is called "Friend on the Air".  = Several=20 Baltimore radio stations include Ray Hoffman's Motorcycle Awareness = Reports for=20 Dangerous Road Conditions.
 
The stations are:
WLIF 101.9 FM
WJFK 1300 AM
B102.7
Heaven 600 AM
 
Kathleen Loerich
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0C3F5.A7006A40-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 10:37:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11207.mail.yahoo.com (web11207.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.189]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3DEb0U05684 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010413143659.96755.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.44.135.4] by web11207.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:36:59 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:36:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Highway Safety To: Kathleen Loerich , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <002201c0c414$c3cf32e0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll give them a call!!!! --- Kathleen Loerich wrote: > Recently ABATE of Maryland members had a series of > meetings with State > Highway Administration representatives about road > conditions that are unsafe > for motorcycles. The discussions included those > situations where > construction is necessary, but adequate warnings > must be available for > motorcyclists. The topics that were discussed > include: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 10:50:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3DEoAU05917 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CBRKittyCat@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.10.b391b61 (17086) for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:49:59 -0400 (EDT) From: CBRKittyCat@XXXXXX Message-ID: <10.b391b61.28086c17@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:49:59 EDT Subject: QUICK QUESTION To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 42 hey, i just wanted to know that my 4,000 miles are up on my bike and my owner's manual says to get certain things inspected (spark plugs, brake fluid, etc.). my bike was at the shop 2 months ago and nothing has to be replaced, just inspected. should i take it to the shop to get those things checked out? i know i wouldn't do it myself (not mechanically inclined at all) and i'm willing to pay but it seems somewhat unnecessary. help me out here. sam From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 10:51:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fin-out.finnegan.com (firewall-user@XXXXXX [38.241.51.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3DEp2U05920 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fin-out.finnegan.com; id KAA03307; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(192.68.20.4) by fin-out.finnegan.com via smap (V5.0) id xma003277; Fri, 13 Apr 01 10:50:20 -0400 Received: from FHFGD-Message_Server by netmail.finnegan.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:48:06 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.3 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:47:35 -0400 From: "Judy La Follette" To: Subject: Ducati Shifting Problems/Neutral/Clutch Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f3DEqMU05921 I have a '97 Ducati 748. I have been having problems getting the bike in neutral, either while coming to a stop (still moving) and stopped. My quick solve is to hit the kill switch, put it in neutral, restart the bike. I have a dry clutch. Background: I had these problems a few weeks ago as well. It even got so bad, that I was having problems putting the bike in a lower gear (first and second) while downshifting. I was stomping it to downshift to first, after I was stopped. A friend adjusted the lever on the clutch, and it seemed to make a world of different, even though the adjuster is designed only for adjusting the clutch lever in or out--I have a small hand, and like the lever as close in as possible. It has a setting from 1-4. The 4 being close in. I took the bike in for its 18,000 mile valve adjustment and service (at Moto Europa in Richmond). I told them of the problems of shifting, and getting the bike in neutral. They said they would check it out. When I went to pick up the bike, the mechanic said the clutch was "REALLY dirty." The ride home was GREAT--shifting was excellent, and no problems with shifting into neutral. The next couple of rides, I started noticing that I could not get the bike in neutral again. I rode it a little yesterday evening, and NEVER got the bike in neutral without cutting the motor off. I tried pulling it into neutral with my hand while the bike was still running, but could not get it into neutral. It was even hard to get it to shift into second while sitting. I have tried rocking the bike a little in case it was just stuck in a certain position. I can get it to go to second, but I still cannot easily push it to try to have it go into neutral--it will go back into first. I like to put the bike in neutral [if no cars are behind, or two or three cars have stopped behind me], so I can give my wrist a rest. I broke and totally dislocated my wrist in '94--strength in my wrist is not very good. My hand starts shaking when I have to hold the clutch for a long time--this is why neutral is important to me. Questions: 1. Is this something to do with the clutch, or could it be my transmission? 2. Can you adjust a dry clutch? 3. Am I doing something that I should be aware of by just adjusting the knob on the clutch lever? I actually have not tried the lever in a different position (1, 2 or 3) lately to see if that would make a difference. I am going to try to call Moto Europa to see if they will give me information over the telephone. I would think that I do not need a new clutch, or they would have suggested that when I had it in for the service. I would appreciate any help I can get. Not an excuse, but try to be some what basic with the replies, as I do not know that much technical terms, etc. That is why I had Moto Europa do my service--so that I can ride/trust the bike while riding alone with no mechanical problems. Gimer or Roach--any suggestions? Ever have this problem? Thank you in advance for your assistance. Sorry for the length of the message. Judy From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 11:08:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13807.mail.yahoo.com (web13807.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3DF8MU06183 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010413150820.2083.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13807.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:08:20 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:08:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Ducati Shifting Problems/Neutral/Clutch Question To: Judy La Follette , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Judy: I seriously doubt what I am about to tell you applies to this situation, but it sounds somewhat familiar. I also had trouble getting to neutral on my 91 VFR. Then I had trouble shifting at all. It turns out all the fluid was drained from my hydraulic clutch lever/assembly. So, if you have a hydraulic clutch, it may not be properly engaging/disenaging. Just a thought. --- Judy La Follette wrote: > I have a '97 Ducati 748. I have been having > problems getting the bike in neutral, either while > coming to a stop (still moving) and stopped. My > quick solve is to hit the kill switch, put it in > neutral, restart the bike. I have a dry clutch. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 11:18:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3DFIqU06336 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:18:32 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:16:04 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: QUICK QUESTION Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f3DFLYU06337 If you keep your cycle in a garage and don't ride in the elements much, most of that stuff is probably not necessary at that mileage. Changing the oil, however is. I think every 2-3K miles. ( I am a fanatic about that ) Also every new riding season. Depending on the shop they are going to hardly look at the bike. I really doubt they are going to pull the plugs (just charge you for it) You can look at the front brake cylinder window and if you see clear fluid with just a little bubble at the top your brakes are probably ok too. The chain adjustment needs to be checked every 1000 miles or so, and keep it lubed well. Maybe someone can recommend a good shop (cycle shop or dealership). George Cole 00 VFR >>> 04/13/01 10:49AM >>> hey, i just wanted to know that my 4,000 miles are up on my bike and my owner's manual says to get certain things inspected (spark plugs, brake fluid, etc.). my bike was at the shop 2 months ago and nothing has to be replaced, just inspected. should i take it to the shop to get those things checked out? i know i wouldn't do it myself (not mechanically inclined at all) and i'm willing to pay but it seems somewhat unnecessary. help me out here. sam From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 11:30:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3DFUVU06582 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:30:03 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:29:02 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , , Subject: Re: Ducati Shifting Problems/Neutral/Clutch Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f3DFXCU06583 If I recall, Ducati's have Dry clutches and very heavy clutch springs. Some bikes have problems when the shift forks get bent, I am not sure if this is a trait of Ducati's or not. Wheelies and shifting without the clutch can bend the shift forks. Judy have you been riding wheelies? ;o) George Cole >>> Mark Kitchell 04/13/01 11:08AM >>> Judy: I seriously doubt what I am about to tell you applies to this situation, but it sounds somewhat familiar. I also had trouble getting to neutral on my 91 VFR. Then I had trouble shifting at all. It turns out all the fluid was drained from my hydraulic clutch lever/assembly. So, if you have a hydraulic clutch, it may not be properly engaging/disenaging. Just a thought. --- Judy La Follette wrote: > I have a '97 Ducati 748. I have been having > problems getting the bike in neutral, either while > coming to a stop (still moving) and stopped. My > quick solve is to hit the kill switch, put it in > neutral, restart the bike. I have a dry clutch. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 11:47:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3DFlTU06817 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-12-42.s550.apx2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.12.42] helo=ElectraGlide) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14o5nD-0007R9-00 ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:47:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c0c431$0ab43e00$0100a8c0@mshome.net> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Ahalan" , Cc: References: <000201c0c43f$63bba700$3e00000a@darwin.net> Subject: Re: Highway Safety Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:47:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > I'm an AMA member but I'm not a member of any local organization (Abate, > etc.) and would therefore be at a loss as to whom I should turn for best > results. I do know the AMA deals with these things, and possibly might > cooperate with a local organization. Well, I guess the subtle approach doesn't work. So... For those who are interested in a local motorcycle rights organization, ABATE of Maryland, Inc. is a grassroots organization that represents motorcyclists in Maryland in the Maryland General Assembly and with various government agencies that include the Motor Vehicle Administration (MVA), State Highway Administration (SHA), Maryland Transportation Authority (MTA), and various others. Issues that ABATE of Maryland has been involved in recently include: 1. Obtaining MTA support for motorcycle use of MTAG electronic toll collection lanes. This project is nearly complete and will include a device manufactured by Mark IV (the transponder manufacturer) that will mount to a wide variety of motorcycles and safely and securely hold the MTAG transponder on motorcycles. 2. Working with SHA, the previously mentioned effort, to identify and correct unsafe highway conditions that could adversely effect motorcycle safety. 3. Working with the MVA to address motorcycle safety program issues and to assure the the continued existence of the Maryland Motorcycle Safety Program. This program has been threatened by legislation in the General Assembly more than once and it could happen again. 4. Working to defeat unnecessary legislation like restrictions on children passengers, making the motorcycle safety program mandatory instead of voluntary, and other creative silliness indulged in periodically by legislators. For example, the MVA can't keep up with the current voluntary demand and making the program mandatory would both degrade the quality of the program and make it more difficult for motivated students to get in. This year, a bill was introduced and through testimony at hearings and lobbying efforts it was withdrawn by the sponsor. Similarly, the bill to restrict child passengers was defeated by a 21 to 0 vote. Again testimony and lobbing efforts defeated this bill. The above items are just a sample, there are many others. For the record, I am a Life AMA member, a member of the MRF, and a member of ABATE of Maryland. I find that AMA and MRF are ideally suited to deal with national and international issues and that ABATE of Maryland is ideally suited to deal with local Maryland issues. In fact, at the AMA Introduction to Washington Seminar, AMA representatives stated that they depend on local state organizations to be their eyes and ears at the local level as well as providing the individuals who can establish local relationships with US Congressmen and Senators to provide a 'foot in the door' for AMA and MRF representatives later. If anyone would like membership information about ABATE of Maryland, Inc, let me know and I will send it to you. Kathleen Loerich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ahalan" To: "'Kathleen Loerich'" Cc: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 1:30 PM Subject: RE: Highway Safety > I'm an AMA member but I'm not a member of any local organization (Abate, > etc.) and would therefore be at a loss as to whom I should turn for best > results. I do know the AMA deals with these things, and possibly might > cooperate with a local organization. > > Anyway Matthew Rosenstock wrote me that he will contact the AMA. I wish us > all the best of luck on this issue. > > Niv > BMW F650ST > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kathleen Loerich [mailto:KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:27 AM > To: Ahalan > Subject: Re: Highway Safety > > > There is an effort in New York that is similar to the one being worked on in > Maryland. I am a life AMA member. However, I find that I get a better > local response from a local organization. > > > Kathleen Loerich > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 12:12:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3DGCOU07224 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010413161223.29849.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.197] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:12:23 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:12:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Ducati Shifting Problems/Neutral/Clutch Question To: Judy La Follette , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii yikes....what a pain in the butt! i hope you are able to find a cheap, speedy fix. i just have a few points: 1. i was told to find neutral from 1st rather than 2nd, and have never had a problem with it. after the problem is solved this time around, i recommend you do the same. 2. your duc has gear-driven cams and needs a little blip of the throttle on downshifts to protect the tranny while you're easing into a lower gear. perhaps you have been failing to do so and have bent things a bit. 3. your dirty clutch problem is a common one. i was told to buy a vented clutch cover to eliminate the dust problems. i haven't done so yet because i am considering an aftermarket clutch and don't know if the vented cover will still be required. 4. please don't stomp on it to get it into first. i cringed when i heard that. of course, i'm a bit sensitive to duc abuse in general. 5. it certainly sounds like you would benefit from an aftermarket clutch slave cylinder. this would make the duc's heavy clutch much less of a struggle for your injured wrist. 6. my bet is that any duc shop will know right away what the problem is by your description over the phone. 7. i doubt adjusting the CLUTCH LEVER will help the situation. if it is engaging at all (and from the sound of it, it is: you are able to engage the clutch and sit with the engine running and in gear), this will only change the point at which it does so in relation to the bar. if i happen to remember the names of the little tranny components that i believe you may have bent, i'll update you --- Judy La Follette wrote: > I have a '97 Ducati 748. I have been having problems > getting the bike in neutral, either while coming to a > stop (still moving) and stopped. My quick solve is to > hit the kill switch, put it in neutral, restart the bike. > I have a dry clutch. > Questions: > 1. Is this something to do with the clutch, or could > it be my transmission? > 2. Can you adjust a dry clutch? > 3. Am I doing something that I should be aware of by > just adjusting the knob on the clutch lever? I actually > have not tried the lever in a different position (1, 2 or > 3) lately to see if that would make a difference. > > I am going to try to call Moto Europa to see if they will > give me information over the telephone. I would think > that I do not need a new clutch, or they would have > suggested that when I had it in for the service. > > I would appreciate any help I can get. Not an excuse, > but try to be some what basic with the replies, as I do > not know that much technical terms, etc. That is why I > had Moto Europa do my service--so that I can ride/trust > the bike while riding alone with no mechanical problems. > > Gimer or Roach--any suggestions? Ever have this problem? > > Thank you in advance for your assistance. Sorry for the > length of the message. ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 12:19:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3DGJpU07314 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-168-209-35.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.168.209.35) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2001 16:19:50 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Lin_Tan" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Ducati info Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:19:36 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I went to a BMWBMW meeting this past weekend at Speed's Cycle shop in Elkridge MD. For those of you who have a Ducati, I just want you to know that Speed's is an authorized Ducati and Moto Guzzi dealer. Speed himself is an ex-racer and rides his ST4 more than his beemers these days. He has a rep as a good guy. Check out www.speedscycle.com for more info. So, perhaps there is an alternative to going all the way to Moto Europa... LindaT. Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 13:06:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3DH6ZU08125 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010413170634.11134.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.197] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:06:34 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:06:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Highway Safety To: "'DC Cycles'" In-Reply-To: <003e01c0c415$1bcf4660$0100a8c0@mshome.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii this exit is one that i take on an almost daily basis, and i have had no problems with it. i don't consider it to be in a dangerous condition. not to sound like a old fart, but while i do understand matthew's concern, it seems that simply slowing down would solve the problem here. in fact, i would bet that matthew doesn't ever have trouble with the pavement on that ramp again, now that he is aware of its condition. i'm confused about what the highway department is supposed to do here, other than to tell you that the road is scheduled to be repaved at a given date and that until such date you should be cautious because it is indeed grooved pavement. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ahalan" > To: "'Matthew Rosenstock'" ; "'DC > Cycles'" > > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:01 PM > Subject: RE: Highway Safety > > > > I think you should forward this to the AMA since I > > believe it shows a misunderstanding and/or disregard by > > the engineers to how such road conditions can affect > > motorcyclists. > > > > > > Niv > > BMW F650ST > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matthew Rosenstock > [mailto:m_rosenstock@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:31 AM > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: Highway Safety > > > > > > I sent an e-mail to the MD State Highway > > Administration about the grooved on ramp from > > eastbound Democracy Blvd to 270. I nearly fell over > > it's grooved so deep. It's been this way for a long > > time, probably over a year. Here is his answer. > > Highway safety my ass. > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Rosenstock: > > > > Thank you for your recent email regarding your > > concerns along I-270 at Democracy Boulevard in > > Montgomery County. Let me assure you that roadway > > safety is our highest priority. ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 13:33:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3DHXRU08531 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (p64.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.192]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02854 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD738D7.7030503@radix.net> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:35:19 -0400 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Highway Safety References: <20010413170634.11134.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer, still thinking like a cager, opined: > this exit is one that i take on an almost daily basis, and > i have had no problems with it. i don't consider it to be > in a dangerous condition. > > not to sound like a old fart, but while i do understand > matthew's concern, it seems that simply slowing down would > solve the problem here. BAH ! Gas it. It'll go faster ;-) > in fact, i would bet that matthew > doesn't ever have trouble with the pavement on that ramp > again, now that he is aware of its condition. Still, if it's an interstate, they're required by law to account for bikers (one of those omnibus transportation thingies), and if you don't know in advance the pavement's been ripped up, it could put you on your arse - if you're careless . But, all of us have lapses of concentration. MD has a long sad history of ripping up pavement & leaving it that way for months or years on end... > > i'm confused about what the highway department is supposed > to do here, other than to tell you that the road is > scheduled to be repaved at a given date and that until such > date you should be cautious because it is indeed grooved > pavement. They exist so that people like us can call people like them & vent. As soon as you hang up the phone, they've already forgotten about you. MD taxpayer money hard at work. -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 13:35:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11202.mail.yahoo.com (web11202.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.184]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3DHZ4U08604 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010413173503.56866.qmail@web11202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.44.198.115] by web11202.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:35:03 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:35:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Highway Safety To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010413170634.11134.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have never been a fan of grooved pavement with my 500 and the relatively skinny tires. I have learned my lesson. My real question to the SHA is "Why is it taking so long to pave?" I'm glad they plan to pave in May. I hope it actually happens. Matt --- Tom Gimer wrote: > this exit is one that i take on an almost daily > basis, and > i have had no problems with it. i don't consider it > to be > in a dangerous condition. > > not to sound like a old fart, but while i do > understand > matthew's concern, it seems that simply slowing down > would > solve the problem here. in fact, i would bet that > matthew > doesn't ever have trouble with the pavement on that > ramp > again, now that he is aware of its condition. > > i'm confused about what the highway department is > supposed > to do here, other than to tell you that the road is > scheduled to be repaved at a given date and that > until such > date you should be cautious because it is indeed > grooved > pavement. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ahalan" > > To: "'Matthew Rosenstock'" > ; "'DC > > Cycles'" > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:01 PM > > Subject: RE: Highway Safety > > > > > > > I think you should forward this to the AMA since > I > > > believe it shows a misunderstanding and/or > disregard by > > > > the engineers to how such road conditions can > affect > > > motorcyclists. > > > > > > > > > Niv > > > BMW F650ST > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Matthew Rosenstock > > [mailto:m_rosenstock@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:31 AM > > > To: DC Cycles > > > Subject: Highway Safety > > > > > > > > > I sent an e-mail to the MD State Highway > > > Administration about the grooved on ramp from > > > eastbound Democracy Blvd to 270. I nearly fell > over > > > it's grooved so deep. It's been this way for a > long > > > time, probably over a year. Here is his answer. > > > Highway safety my ass. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Rosenstock: > > > > > > Thank you for your recent email regarding your > > > concerns along I-270 at Democracy Boulevard in > > > Montgomery County. Let me assure you that > roadway > > > safety is our highest priority. > > > > ===== > tg > > check out www.murphygimer.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 20:45:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3E0jOU15382 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO ([38.38.168.37]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f3E0jOv43482; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000901c0c47c$12bae180$25a82626@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Cc: Subject: Warning Re: Sam's Club Bike Lift Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:44:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 The poster advised that another member of his Chapter had a lift fail while working on his Gold Wing. Apparently, the OEM bolts that come with the lift were of insufficient strength for such a heavy bike, and sheared right off! No injuries, but substantial damage to the bike as a result. Hey, Shit. I knew it was too good to be true. I saw that lift and immediately my inner cheap-skate and my exterior biker began a fight right there in the aisle of the Sam's in Fredneck. "Oh, wow! I've seen these for upwards of $350! Whatta deal! Maybe I should get two!" "Hold it. This isn't possible. This is too good to be true. You're gonna get what you pay for, maybe you should hold off." "But look, they got this here four-wheeler propped up on it, it's holding great, my FLHT oughtta be fine..." "Warning, warning young two-wheeled freak." So I'm off to Clark's Do-It Center (do what?) in the a.m. to find some replacement grade 8 hardware. But somethng doesn't add up. If the poster didn't release the pressure from inside the bottle jack, that should have caught the bike before some wild impact. And I bet a Civic DX, er... I mean a Gold Wing would leave a pretty wild crater in the garage. Maybe I just don't know enough about the dynamics of the crash, it may have fallen sideways or something. Thanks for forwarding the post. I stand enlightened. Howard J. Koontz 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project <--- Should be fine on the lift... I hope. :-o From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 21:47:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3E1llU16296 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-43-161.s415.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.43.161]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14oFAA-0001GD-00 ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:47:46 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:45:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Highway Safety From: "Paul Wilson" To: Kathleen Loerich CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: A question: Why does Maryland insist on a stand alone system, rather than EZ-Pass? Just wondering. It would be nice to go from DC to NYC without "digging for dollars" in the old Aerostich. The last time I checked, the M-Tag was not compatible with EZ-Pass. It's used on the W.Va. turnpike, but not Maryland bridges and tunnels. Also, why is there no automated system, M-Tag or otherwise, on the Bay Bridge or the Gov. Nice (301) Bridge? It would seem that Maryland is not ready for prime time in automated toll collection. Paul in DC 91 CB750 ---------- >From: "Kathleen Loerich" > > Issues that ABATE of Maryland has been involved in recently include: > 1. Obtaining MTA support for motorcycle use of MTAG electronic toll > collection lanes. This project is nearly complete and will include a device > manufactured by Mark IV (the transponder manufacturer) that will mount to a > wide variety of motorcycles and safely and securely hold the MTAG > transponder on motorcycles. From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 13 23:19:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net [64.8.20.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3E3JSU17614 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d478406837 ([216.174.23.29]) by smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GBRIK400.Z2U for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:19:16 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: Warning Re: Sam's Club Bike Lift Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:18:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <000901c0c47c$12bae180$25a82626@apnHOFOJOKO> Importance: Normal Try this lift: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1186951&a=9688686&f=0 I've had my FJ and TL1000R on it, and it's very stable. I had to order it from the UK, but they have a distributor here on the US now. http://www.bike-lift.com Yes, it's pricey, but at least you shouldn't have the $65 shipping I had! Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club mailto:gary@XXXXXX TL Owners Club: http://www.tl1000.com TL Owners Board: http://server5.ezboard.com/btlownersboard TL Message Board: http://www.voy.com/14718 Yahoo TL Pit: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/tl1000pit -----Original Message----- From: Howard J. Koontz [mailto:HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 7:45 PM To: GMyles@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Warning Re: Sam's Club Bike Lift The poster advised that another member of his Chapter had a lift fail while working on his Gold Wing. Apparently, the OEM bolts that come with the lift were of insufficient strength for such a heavy bike, and sheared right off! No injuries, but substantial damage to the bike as a result. Hey, Shit. I knew it was too good to be true. I saw that lift and immediately my inner cheap-skate and my exterior biker began a fight right there in the aisle of the Sam's in Fredneck. "Oh, wow! I've seen these for upwards of $350! Whatta deal! Maybe I should get two!" "Hold it. This isn't possible. This is too good to be true. You're gonna get what you pay for, maybe you should hold off." "But look, they got this here four-wheeler propped up on it, it's holding great, my FLHT oughtta be fine..." "Warning, warning young two-wheeled freak." So I'm off to Clark's Do-It Center (do what?) in the a.m. to find some replacement grade 8 hardware. But somethng doesn't add up. If the poster didn't release the pressure from inside the bottle jack, that should have caught the bike before some wild impact. And I bet a Civic DX, er... I mean a Gold Wing would leave a pretty wild crater in the garage. Maybe I just don't know enough about the dynamics of the crash, it may have fallen sideways or something. Thanks for forwarding the post. I stand enlightened. Howard J. Koontz 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project <--- Should be fine on the lift... I hope. :-o From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 06:32:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3EAWvU27107 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 06:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-0-68.s68.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.0.68] helo=ElectraGlide) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14oNMM-0006J7-00 ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 06:32:55 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c0c4ce$4346e2c0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Highway Safety Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 06:32:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > A question: Why does Maryland insist on a stand alone system, rather than > EZ-Pass? Just wondering. I recall seeing a recent press release announcing that Maryland's M-TAG would have reciprocity with EZ-PASS systems sometime this year. I can't find it. So, I contacted Lori Vidil at MTA and asked if she could help me answer this question. I will let you know what I find out. >Also, why is there no automated system, > M-Tag or otherwise, on the Bay Bridge or the Gov. Nice (301) Bridge? I also asked Lori if there were future plans to add M-Tag to the Bay Bridge and the remaining toll bridges in Maryland that do not currently have M-Tag lanes. She is usually very responsive when I contact her. I'll let you know. There are several states that belong to an Inter-Agency Group (IAG) along the I-95 corridor. The goal that I read about is that states from Virginia to Maine along the I-95 corridor will have reciprocity among their individual electronic toll collection facilities. I don't know when this will happen, but I do know that it is the stated goal of the IAG. Although many of the states involved use a different name for their electronic toll collection facilities, they use the same transponder that is manufactured by Mark IV. Also, we are told that when final distrubution plans are worked out between Mark IV and MTA regarding the motorcycle transponder mounting device, it will be made available to existing motorcycle M-Tag users at no cost. Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 06:41:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3EAfkU27190 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 06:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-0-68.s68.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.0.68] helo=ElectraGlide) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14oNUu-0006ez-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 06:41:45 -0400 Message-ID: <003101c0c4cf$7f2b6a80$0100a8c0@mshome.net> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: M-TAG Motorcycle Mounts Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 06:41:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 The following message is one that I recently received from MTA representative Lori Vidil regarding M-TAG and motorcycles. ------------------------ Message Start ------------------------ I wanted to touch base with both of you regarding the status of the M-TAG motorcycle-mount devices. The Authority is now in the process of purchasing from MARK IV Industries, the developer and manufacturer of the device, a limited quantity of the mounts that will be more than sufficient to serve our current known population of M-TAG customers who use their M-TAGs with motorcycles. The Authority will provide the devices to these M-TAG customers at no cost to the motorcyclists. We still need to work out the logistics of how and when we will distribute the devices to this subset of our M-TAG customer population, so I will need to get back to you with those details as they become available. This initial use of the device with the M-TAG program will be a pilot project that will likely have the interest of the E-ZPass InterAgency Group (IAG) of northeast toll authorities, of which the Maryland Transportation Authority is a member. We expect that this group, which currently has more than five million transponders in use, will work with MARK IV Industries to define long-range plans for use of this product with all current and future E-ZPass-affiliated electronic-toll-collection systems. I will be back in touch with you as I have more information. Sincerely, Lori ------------------------ Message End ------------------------ So, it may turn out that Maryland will be the pilot project for solving many of the problems that toll agencies have when attempting to accommodate motorcycles in their electronic toll collection facilities. Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 08:29:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3ECTWU28747 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 08:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-124.patriot.net [209.249.180.124]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3ECTUE30542 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 08:29:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD84153.812A43C3@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 08:23:47 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: One less rider... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard wasn't on the dc-cycles list but he was a rider - an all weather rider. He regularly commuted from Annandale to 17th in DC, used up several bikes over the decades. His shop was crossroads cycles back when Bill Bloom owned it, the place where I aquired my first two bikes. I met Richard when I owned a hobby shop. Richard was into radio controled planes and boats, and was into a little bit of everything. He had a small machine shop in his basement and could make parts, like a cool rotor puller for MotoPlat ignitions, and crank throw supporst for pressing out American Hot Rod cranks. He was also into outboard racing. A typical Richard project - a wood replica of a Chris Craft speedboat, used a GM V-6 engine, and made several parts including the rudder that he cast out of scrap aluminim. Also on his projetc list, a vintage Caddy convertable, and a 50 something BMW motorcycle that he restored to cherry condition. Richard became my "half-brother" last year. I had to tell a fib to get into ICU seeing as the hospital only let immediate family in there. He had no mmediate family nearby, just his friends. He survived that trip to the hospital but knew his days were numbered. He went out and bought a Prowler. Why not? He could afford it - paid cash. But he didn't give up. He had a tariler hitch for the Prowler so he could tow his repolica Chris Craft to the water and go for a spin. Yesterday I noticed distinctive blueline marks on the Prowler hood, the marks of the areas primo pinstriper. Richard was going to dress the Prowler up with pinstipes. But this last weekend he went for his last ride. The Prowler was in the driveway, and his Kawasaki was parked outside, not yet put away in the garage. I hope where ever he is now has a machine shop, he'd be bored silly without something to fix or make. His family didn't want to staick around for a gathering of Richard's friends, like why bother, we don't know these people, was the attitude. They didn't even want to claim his ashes for a ritual scattering or whatever. But I'm the estate executor, so I'm not letting that happen. The fam can head for Florida - see ya! On Monday evening at my house we'll say goodbye to Richard at an informal gathering, the way he would have liked it. We'll munch potluck and swap Richard stories, there's a million of them. Anyone of y'all want to drop by, feel free. Even though he ragged on me about my Harley, he was motorcycle lover. Richard Hebel - may the roads be clear and the weather warm.... Bill Huson From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 09:11:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3EDBFU29249 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-86-178.s559.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.86.178]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14oPpZ-0000rr-00 ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:11:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:09:36 -0400 Subject: FS 1991 CB750 Nighthawk From: "Paul Wilson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3070084176_70651_MIME_Part" Message-Id: > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3070084176_70651_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Well folks, the time has come. I've got my heart set on a VFR750, so I'm putting my CB750 Nighthawk up for sale. It's going in the Washington Post and City Paper next week. Some items about the bike Red, very clean, never down. Extremely reliable; runs like a top. Great beginner's bike. 23,500 miles. I've owned the bike since it had 7,600 miles and have done all maintenance. Oil and filter changes every 3,000-4,000 miles. Replaced chain (DID X-Ring) and sprockets at 22,000 miles. New Yuasa battery last November. Maintenance records available. Includes: Hondaline centerstand, Hondaline engine guards, UNI foam air filter, Michelin Macadam 90X radial tires with some tread left, National Cycle Deflector Screen windshield, original owner's manual, tool kit. Other goodies available to the buyer (price negotiable): New set of Michelin radials, Macadam 100X 150/70 ZR17 rear, Macadam 90X 110/80 ZR18 front, EBC HH sintered brake pads for the bike, Honda shop manual, cover, disk lock Price: $2,400 Bike is located in Washington DC --MS_Mac_OE_3070084176_70651_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable FS 1991 CB750 Nighthawk Well folks, the time has come.  I've got my heart set on a VFR750,= so I'm
putting my CB750 Nighthawk up for sale.  It's going in the Washington = Post and City Paper next week.

Some items about the bike

Red, very clean, never down.  Extremely reliable;  runs like a to= p.  Great beginner's bike.
23,500 miles.  I've owned the bike since it had 7,600
miles and have done all maintenance.  Oil and filter changes every
3,000-4,000 miles.  Replaced chain (DID X-Ring) and sprockets at 22,00= 0
miles. New Yuasa battery last November.  Maintenance records available= .

Includes:

Hondaline centerstand, Hondaline engine guards, UNI foam air filter,
Michelin Macadam 90X radial tires with some tread left, National Cycle
Deflector Screen windshield, original owner's manual, tool kit.

Other goodies available to the buyer (price negotiable):

New set of Michelin radials, Macadam 100X 150/70 ZR17 rear, Macadam 90X
110/80 ZR18 front,
EBC HH sintered brake pads for the bike, Honda shop
manual, cover, disk lock

Price:  $2,400

Bike is located in Washington DC



 --MS_Mac_OE_3070084176_70651_MIME_Part-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 09:22:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3EDMiU29464 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (p34.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.34]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13294; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD84F93.3040100@radix.net> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:24:35 -0400 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: Kathleen Loerich , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Highway Safety References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson inquired: > A question: Why does Maryland insist on a stand alone system, rather than > EZ-Pass? Just wondering. Not to answer a question with a question, BUT.... More importantly, with the exhorbitant amount of taxes in MD, WHY are there toll boths in the 1st place ? Those summer 15 mile long backups are the sole reason for auto pollution in MD - BTW, last I heard MD voluntarily joined the EPA mandated emissions testing, MD was already in compliance ... MD already collects road taxes, AND these tolls are on INTERSTATE highways (most) which get FEDERAL funds... I ask again, why are there toll booths? > It would be nice to go from DC to NYC without > "digging for dollars" in the old Aerostich. GET thee a GPS & navigate around the toll booths. Take the western route to NYC. The last time I checked, the > M-Tag was not compatible with EZ-Pass. It's used on the W.Va. turnpike, but > not Maryland bridges and tunnels. Also, why is there no automated system, > M-Tag or otherwise, on the Bay Bridge or the Gov. Nice (301) Bridge? It > would seem that Maryland is not ready for prime time in automated toll > collection. MD is already PRIME TIME in revenue, tax & ticket money collection, they're rolling in surplus $$$, they can afford to be lax on the tolls... Plus, it helps them push their emissions (anti internal combustion engine) agenda on the public... -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 09:40:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3EDedU29692 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-42-250.s250.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.42.250]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14oQI1-0007HX-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:40:38 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:36:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Highway Safety From: "Paul Wilson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Have you heard that NC is trying to plug a hole in the state budget by erecting toll booths on 95 at the state line? That is truly "highway robbery." In the case of Maryland, though, and most of the Northeastern states, the tolls pay for facilities (turnpikes, bridges and tunnels) that were financed by state-issued bonds, not taxes on motor fuel. The argument goes that tax burden would be even higher if the taxpayers, not just the users, paid for building and maintaining these items. Unlike say, the multi-billion-dollar boondoggle Wilson Bridge, the nation's taxpayers are not on the hook to finance the GW Bridge, Golden Gate Bridge, NJ Turnpike, and the Holland Tunnel. As for GPS, I can find my way to NYC by any number of routes just fine with paper maps. :) To me it's not worth it to take the scenic route just to save on tolls, especially since you have to travel through Pa (arguably the worst designed and maintained highways in the nation) and since you can't cross the Hudson without paying anyway. Paul in DC ---------- >From: Dave Yates > > > Not to answer a question with a question, BUT.... > > More importantly, with the exhorbitant amount of taxes in MD, WHY are > there toll boths in the 1st place ? Those summer 15 mile long backups > are the sole reason for auto pollution in MD - BTW, last I heard MD > voluntarily joined the EPA mandated emissions testing, MD was already in > compliance ... MD already collects road taxes, AND these tolls are on > INTERSTATE highways (most) which get FEDERAL funds... I ask again, why > are there toll booths? > >> It would be nice to go from DC to NYC without >> "digging for dollars" in the old Aerostich. > > GET thee a GPS & navigate around the toll booths. Take the western route > to NYC. From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 10:27:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3EERXU00528 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-5-198.s1468.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.5.198] helo=ElectraGlide) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14oR1Q-0003zW-00 ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:27:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c0c4ef$0ae9dba0$c6052c42@mshome.net> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Paul Wilson" , References: Subject: Re: Highway Safety Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:27:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 >>I ask again, why > > are there toll booths? > > Gee, I don't know. I'm originally from Colorado where toll roads are nearly non-existent. Must be an 'Eastern' thing. k.loerich From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 10:58:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3EEw0U00952 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merctech.com (user-2iven0t.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.92.29]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17297 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:58:00 -0400 (EDT) From: bergman@XXXXXX Received: from biber (bergman@localhost) by merctech.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3EEvNG20397 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:57:23 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Dcc: Subject: Sunday TaxDay ride? Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:57:23 -0400 Message-ID: <20396.987260243@biber> The weather is beautiful...anyone planning a ride tomorrow (4/15)? ---- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 11:14:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3EFE2U01179 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj618467a ([24.23.166.212]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010414151401.JMWV19178.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj618467a> for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 08:14:01 -0700 Message-ID: <001d01c0c4f6$6742bdc0$d4a61718@alex1.va.home.com> From: "John Luc" To: References: Subject: Re: Highway Safety Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:20:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Wilson To: Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 9:36 AM Subject: Re: Highway Safety > In the case of Maryland, though, and most of the Northeastern states, the > tolls pay for facilities (turnpikes, bridges and tunnels) that were financed > by state-issued bonds, not taxes on motor fuel. The argument goes that tax > burden would be even higher if the taxpayers, not just the users, paid for > building and maintaining these items. Unlike say, the multi-billion-dollar > boondoggle Wilson Bridge, the nation's taxpayers are not on the hook to > finance the GW Bridge, Golden Gate Bridge, NJ Turnpike, and the Holland > Tunnel. > Really? I've always wondered how individual States could place what is essentially a road tax on a Federal Interstate (I-95). Does the Fed not fund bridges, tunnels, etc. when necessary as a part of the Interstate system? I am from New Orleans, and let me tell you, if tolls booths would appear anywhere, they would be run over by the over abundance of drunk-drivers down there (Highest Insurance rates in the country - Louisana - and for good reason). Maybe we (tax payers) should have something akin to the Boston Tea Party. I wonder how we might protest (run through the toll-booths?)? Those little gate "dealies" could hurt wacking me across the chest :) Jean-Luc From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 11:43:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3EFhRU01623 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-47-50.s304.tnt4.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.47.50]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14oSCs-00035k-00 ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:43:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:32:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Highway Safety From: "Paul Wilson" To: John Luc CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: You need to read up on how highways are financed in this country. Just because it has an interstate designation doesn't mean it was paid for with federal tax dollars. The toll facilities I listed are operated by state or multi-state authorities. The Penna. Turnpike is signed as I-76 across most of Pa., but it is not federally funded. Is was built, maintained and expanded by the Pa Tpk. Authority, which is funded by toll revenue. I for one think tolls are entirely appropriate assessments for use, in lieu of the motor fuel tax, which is a very clumsy and inefficient way of taxing use, since it treats every gallon of fuel the same. Most interstates and other "federal aid" highways are built on an 80/20 split, where the state picks up 20% and it gets a federal match of 80 %. VA and MD pissed and moaned about the "over-runs" on the Wilson Bridge (actually add ons that the states put on the project like it was a Christmas tree) so the nation's taxpayers are picking up the tab, via general revenues. This is a long way from motorcycles, but the federal designation does prevent states and localities from banning motorcycles from them, by law. Due to the fact that we all pay to use these highways, it is entirely appropriate that highway departments take MC safety issues into account, unless they want to make fuel dispensed into motorcycles exempt from motor fuel taxes, just like farm vehicles. Paul in DC (why am I sitting inside emailing on such a gorgeous day?) ---------- >From: "John Luc" >To: >Subject: Re: Highway Safety >Date: Sat, Apr 14, 2001, 11:20 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Wilson > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 9:36 AM > Subject: Re: Highway Safety >> In the case of Maryland, though, and most of the Northeastern states, the >> tolls pay for facilities (turnpikes, bridges and tunnels) that were > financed >> by state-issued bonds, not taxes on motor fuel. The argument goes that > tax >> burden would be even higher if the taxpayers, not just the users, paid for >> building and maintaining these items. Unlike say, the > multi-billion-dollar >> boondoggle Wilson Bridge, the nation's taxpayers are not on the hook to >> finance the GW Bridge, Golden Gate Bridge, NJ Turnpike, and the Holland >> Tunnel. >> > Really? I've always wondered how individual States could place what is > essentially a road tax on a Federal Interstate (I-95). Does the Fed not > fund bridges, tunnels, etc. when necessary as a part of the Interstate > system? From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 14:33:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3EIXRU04100 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 14:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RoyalMonarch@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.66.df2404e (18256) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 14:33:15 -0400 (EDT) From: RoyalMonarch@XXXXXX Message-ID: <66.df2404e.2809f1eb@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 14:33:15 EDT Subject: Subscribe me to the list. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_66.df2404e.2809f1eb_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 --part1_66.df2404e.2809f1eb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please put me on your mailing list. --part1_66.df2404e.2809f1eb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please put me on your mailing list. --part1_66.df2404e.2809f1eb_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 20:13:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3F0DYU09040 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-90-81.s589.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.90.81] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14oaAX-00024f-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:13:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c0c540$d09246c0$515a2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: References: <200104142300.f3EN0gi07944@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 04/14/01 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:12:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I have the EasyRizer lift as well. It is rated by Loyds of London up to 1-ton, but damned if I'd try it. The lift is definitely suited for thinner, or more narrow bikes. I attempted to place my ST1100 onto the lift, but the screw shaft is right against the tip-over wing if the bike is standing straight up. I imagine you could not possibly lift a Gold-Wing without interference. My ST weighs 670lbs dry. With a full tank and oil it's close to 720lbs. I got it mounted on the lift and raised it about 4 inches and said to myself, "Self, no fucking way"! The lift is stable but it rocks around. I think I will stick to lifting the VTR and other lighter bikes with it. Todd (Springfield) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- From: "Gary Foreman" Try this lift: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1186951&a=9688686&f=0 I've had my FJ and TL1000R on it, and it's very stable. I had to order it from the UK, but they have a distributor here on the US now. http://www.bike-lift.com Yes, it's pricey, but at least you shouldn't have the $65 shipping I had! From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 20:17:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3F0HVU09119 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.42.1377bc3a (4200) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:17:23 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: <42.1377bc3a.280a4293@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:17:23 EDT Subject: MC and tolls To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 We take so little room, do so little damage to the roadway, and use so little fuel that we ought to get a free pass on tolls. Therefore my protest is to roll up to the booth, put down the side stand,remove both gloves, dig for$, and with great deliberation, reverse the process. Bob From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 20:33:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3F0XUU09346 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-24.patriot.net [209.249.181.24]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3F0XRE30825; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:33:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD8EB01.2579D5B3@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:27:45 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: McKeithen@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC and tolls References: <42.1377bc3a.280a4293@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > We take so little room, do so little damage to the roadway, and use so little > fuel that we ought to get a free pass on tolls. > Therefore my protest is to roll up to the booth, put down the side > stand,remove both gloves, dig for$, and with great deliberation, reverse the > process. > > Bob Heh heh - The delaware bridge charges more for a trailer than the tow vehicle, so my pal use to hand the toll collector a $100 bill. This required the toll person to take down the make, model, and tag number of the tow vehicle. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 20:38:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3F0coU09435 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-24.patriot.net [209.249.181.24]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3F0clE31243; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:38:48 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD8EC41.C3BCF0FA@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:33:05 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 04/14/01 References: <200104142300.f3EN0gi07944@dirty.meretrix.com> <000401c0c540$d09246c0$515a2c42@c9rnf01> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------36ABB41F4728425CA6A6F3C3" --------------36ABB41F4728425CA6A6F3C3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ??? I have a lift originally purchased from wholesale tools or some such mail order joint. It barely fits under my Harley FLHS, have to tilt the bike to slide it under. It isn't rock solid stable but I don't expect it would be with more then 750# (dry wieght) sitting on top of it. Great for cleaning wheels, a task I undertake on an annual basis :-) Bill Todd Peer wrote: > I have the EasyRizer lift as well. It is rated by Loyds of London up to > 1-ton, but damned if I'd try it. > > The lift is definitely suited for thinner, or more narrow bikes. I > attempted to place my ST1100 onto the lift, but the screw shaft is right > against the tip-over wing if the bike is standing straight up. I imagine > you could not possibly lift a Gold-Wing without interference. > > My ST weighs 670lbs dry. With a full tank and oil it's close to 720lbs. I > got it mounted on the lift and raised it about 4 inches and said to myself, > "Self, no fucking way"! > > The lift is stable but it rocks around. I think I will stick to lifting the > VTR and other lighter bikes with it. > > Todd (Springfield) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------- > From: "Gary Foreman" > Try this lift: > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1186951&a=9688686&f=0 > > I've had my FJ and TL1000R on it, and it's very stable. I had to order it > from the UK, but they have a distributor here on the US now. > > http://www.bike-lift.com > > Yes, it's pricey, but at least you shouldn't have the $65 shipping I had! --------------36ABB41F4728425CA6A6F3C3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ???  I have a lift originally purchased from wholesale tools or some such mail order joint.  It barely fits under my Harley FLHS, have to tilt the bike to slide it under.  It isn't rock solid stable but I don't expect it would be with more then 750# (dry wieght) sitting on top of it.  Great for cleaning wheels, a task I undertake on an annual basis :-)

Bill
 
 

Todd Peer wrote:

I have the EasyRizer lift as well.  It is rated by Loyds of London up to
1-ton, but damned if I'd try it.

The lift is definitely suited for thinner, or more narrow bikes.  I
attempted to place my ST1100 onto the lift, but the screw shaft is right
against the tip-over wing if the bike is standing straight up.  I imagine
you could not possibly lift a Gold-Wing without interference.

My ST weighs 670lbs dry.  With a full tank and oil it's close to 720lbs.  I
got it mounted on the lift and raised it about 4 inches and said to myself,
"Self, no fucking way"!

The lift is stable but it rocks around.  I think I will stick to lifting the
VTR and other lighter bikes with it.

Todd (Springfield)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------
From: "Gary Foreman" <fj1100@XXXXXX>
Try this lift:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1186951&a=9688686&f=0

I've had my FJ and TL1000R on it, and it's very stable.  I had to order it
from the UK, but they have a distributor here on the US now.

http://www.bike-lift.com

Yes, it's pricey, but at least you shouldn't have the $65 shipping I had!

--------------36ABB41F4728425CA6A6F3C3-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 21:02:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu12.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu12.email.msn.com [207.46.181.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3F12BU09821 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavilion ([63.10.40.215]) by cpimssmtpu12.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Sat, 14 Apr 2001 18:01:47 -0700 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: fuel efficient motorcycle Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:04:57 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2001 01:01:51.0586 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7DAD420:01C0C547] Hello, Im considering buying another motorcycle. Im interested in knowing what is the most fuel efficient motorcycle around? I heard scooters are pretty fuel efficient. I believe a honda ch80 gets 80 mpg. I am thinking of a 4 stroke motorcycle. Smaller than 600cc. I heard some honda 125cc got like 110mpg, i dont know which models. My tiger gets around 45mpg if riden moderatly, it amounts to something like 250 miles per tank. I never really have found out the true milage it gets because i never decide to run it until it runs out. Anyone know the statistics of their motorcycles when it comes to fuel efficiency? Ricardo Pontes From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 21:03:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11202.mail.yahoo.com (web11202.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.184]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3F13TU09831 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010415010328.95835.qmail@web11202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.101.156.225] by web11202.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 18:03:28 PDT Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 18:03:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Highway Safety To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001301c0c4ce$4346e2c0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I hope she is a reliable person to speak to. The last time I called about the M-tag and motorcycle, the person on the phone told me to hold it in my hand as I passed the toll booth or stick to my helmet. Brainiacs they are not. Matt --- Kathleen Loerich wrote: > find it. So, I contacted Lori Vidil at MTA and > asked if she could help me > answer this question. I will let you know what I > find out. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 21:11:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3F1BPU09940 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (p46.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.46]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02198; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD8F5AD.9090600@radix.net> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:13:17 -0400 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Highway Safety References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > Have you heard that NC is trying to plug a hole in the state budget by > erecting toll booths on 95 at the state line? That is truly "highway > robbery." Great. Another state lining up at the trough. > In the case of Maryland, though, and most of the Northeastern states, the > tolls pay for facilities (turnpikes, bridges and tunnels) that were financed > by state-issued bonds, not taxes on motor fuel. 100% BOLLIX. that money goes the same place as all the other tax money collected - elected officials pockets. > The argument goes that tax > burden would be even higher if the taxpayers, not just the users, paid for > building and maintaining these items. I guess we'll just have to lower our expectations... > Unlike say, the multi-billion-dollar > boondoggle Wilson Bridge, the nation's taxpayers are not on the hook to > finance the GW Bridge, Golden Gate Bridge, NJ Turnpike, and the Holland > Tunnel. Uh, yes they are ; MD & VA allegedly (DC too, technically) 'can't afford' to pay the whole cost. Total crap. both states knew it was coming to an end of life cycle 15 years ago, and did nothing. They spent their surplus tax money on social programs, pay raises etc until the money was gone. Then, went crying to Uncle Sam for money - and they got it.... No wonder 40% of our income goes to taxes.. > > As for GPS, I can find my way to NYC by any number of routes just fine with > paper maps. :) A man after my own heart. Now, if I could just convince ADC to use 8 digit grid coordinates, I'd be set :-) To me it's not worth it to take the scenic route just to save > on tolls, especially since you have to travel through Pa (arguably the worst > designed and maintained highways in the nation) Actually, no, but they did get an honorable mention ;-) > and since you can't cross > the Hudson without paying anyway. SO, can you enter NY state without paying a toll ? if so, where? How about New Joyzee ? -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 21:13:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3F1DfU10015 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (p46.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.46]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02586; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD8F636.10901@radix.net> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:15:34 -0400 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kathleen Loerich CC: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Highway Safety References: <000e01c0c4ef$0ae9dba0$c6052c42@mshome.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathleen Loerich wrote: > Gee, I don't know. I'm originally from Colorado where toll roads are nearly > non-existent. Must be an 'Eastern' thing. yes, it seems to proliferate up the east coast. One state abolished them when a traffic backup caused a multi car fatal accident, though (Conn maybe?) What a hideously bad idea. Toll booths on interstates should be outlawed by the Fed, period. I'm all for states rights & all, but they're just soaking us again & again with demands for money ... -- -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 21:19:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3F1J8U10094 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (p46.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.46]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06187; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD8F77C.1010000@radix.net> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:21:00 -0400 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Luc CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Highway Safety References: <001d01c0c4f6$6742bdc0$d4a61718@alex1.va.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Really? I've always wondered how individual States could place what is > essentially a road tax on a Federal Interstate (I-95). GFQ. > Does the Fed not > fund bridges, tunnels, etc. when necessary as a part of the Interstate > system? yes. partially at least. > I am from New Orleans, and let me tell you, if tolls booths would > appear anywhere, they would be run over by the over abundance of > drunk-drivers down there (Highest Insurance rates in the country - > Louisana - and for good reason). Actually, I think New Jersey (Newark & Jersey City in particular) has the highest insurance rates, Newark having the distinction of being the car theft capital of the world... > Maybe we (tax payers) should have something akin to the Boston Tea Party. I > wonder how we might protest (run through the toll-booths?)? Those little > gate "dealies" could hurt wacking me across the chest :) governments have grown accustomed to that money, getting rid of tolls probably isn't going to happen in our lifetime. Just look at the personal property tax fiasco in VA - Fairfax in particular is GOING to levy more taxes somehow, THEY just REFUSE to cut spending NO MATTER WHAT. Inevitably, the next Democratic governer of VA will repeal the 'property tax' repeal & assess it again on at least cages to restore money to the counties at some point. I'll bet it's 1st year in office. we'll see... -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 21:27:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3F1RqU10259 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (p46.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.46]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09979; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD8F985.8080101@radix.net> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:29:41 -0400 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: John Luc , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Highway Safety References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > You need to read up on how highways are financed in this country. Just > because it has an interstate designation doesn't mean it was paid for with > federal tax dollars. They get at LEAST some federal funding for upkeep, repair, etc... > The toll facilities I listed are operated by state or > multi-state authorities. yes, I'm sure there's a law that allows them too, but that doesn't make it right. > > The Penna. Turnpike is signed as I-76 across most of Pa., but it is not > federally funded. If it's an interstate, they get federal funds for it. It may not be road specific, but the Fed gives money to each state for Interstate maintenance. The interstate system was created as a method to move the Armed forces rapidly. It was penned by Eisenhower, hence the name ... a gift from the Cold war... if you will. > Is was built, maintained and expanded by the Pa Tpk. > Authority, which is funded by toll revenue. I for one think tolls are > entirely appropriate assessments for use, in lieu of the motor fuel tax, > which is a very clumsy and inefficient way of taxing use, since it treats > every gallon of fuel the same. If there were no 'Turnpike authority', the federal money sent to PA would be enough to maintain the road, & thus they wouldn't need toll booths... how many people does the turnpike Auth employ ? 100 ? 1000 ? what's the average salary ? Do you know what upkeep on the booths are / year people included ? (over 1 million smackers) How many backups do they create ? How much CO is dumped into the air among other chemical byproducts of combustion while angry motorists are sitting in line waiting to pay their tolls on holiday weekends ? > > Most interstates and other "federal aid" highways are built on an 80/20 > split, where the state picks up 20% and it gets a federal match of 80 > %. VA and MD pissed and moaned about the "over-runs" on the Wilson Bridge > (actually add ons that the states put on the project like it was a Christmas > tree) so the nation's taxpayers are picking up the tab, via general > revenues. That & MD & VA spent like sailors in a foreign port after a year long deployment after they knew it would have to be replaced. It's not just the governors, it's the legislators and voters too... > This is a long way from motorcycles, but the federal designation does > prevent states and localities from banning motorcycles from them, by law. > Due to the fact that we all pay to use these highways, it is entirely > appropriate that highway departments take MC safety issues into account, > unless they want to make fuel dispensed into motorcycles exempt from motor > fuel taxes, just like farm vehicles. > (why am I sitting inside emailing on such a gorgeous day?) well, I didn't ride, but I did make it easier to pilot the bike out of my (soon to be) garage by putting in a double gate on my fence :-) -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 21:29:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3F1TlU10269 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (p46.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.46]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10446; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD8F9FD.3090906@radix.net> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:31:41 -0400 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: McKeithen@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC and tolls References: <42.1377bc3a.280a4293@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > We take so little room, do so little damage to the roadway, and use so little > fuel that we ought to get a free pass on tolls. > Therefore my protest is to roll up to the booth, put down the side > stand,remove both gloves, dig for$, and with great deliberation, reverse the > process. > > Bob You know, Bob, it may have been in jest, but a few holiday weekends of that, & I'll bet there'd be 2 things - a hue & cry for Motorcycles to be banned from the angry cagers and hue & cry to the legislators to exempt bikes as 'alternate transportation' ... good idea -- -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 22:24:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10505.mail.yahoo.com (web10505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.155]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3F2OpU11112 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 22:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010415022450.850.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.147.78.216] by web10505.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:24:50 PDT Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:24:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzookus Maximus Subject: re: Highway Safety To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "Paul Wilson" wrote: <> Yeah dude! Get in the mix! Skyline was awesome today. Hardly any cars, clear skies warm weather and lots of curves! I'm going again Sunday. -jeff ===== ->bike: '00 GSX-R750 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 14 23:34:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3F3Y2U12108 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-42-28.s28.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.42.28]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14odIX-0003qg-00 ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:34:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:32:22 -0400 Subject: Re: MC and tolls From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" , McKeithen@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Here's another one, and pet peeve of the week: bridges and tunnels where they charge the lowest rate for "two-axle" vehicles, and more for additional axles. Curiously the "two-axle" rate applies to both cars and MCs. Now either they're overcharging bikes or undercharging cars. If I were a smart ass next time I'll ask the toll collectors how all those cars steer only two axles. To my knowledge the "two-axle" automobile went out of favor about 1903. Anybody with a passing acquaintance with cars knows that the front wheels do not pivot on the same axle, like a horse-drawn carriage does. Coming out of BWI yesterday the gal taking the parking fees got on the horn with her supervisor to check for the rate for MCs. Unfortunately it's the same as cars. Despite the ubiquitous signs on the gate arms, bikes are welcome in the BWI garage. Paul in DC ---------- >From: "William J. Huson" > > > McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > >> We take so little room, do so little damage to the roadway, and use so little >> fuel that we ought to get a free pass on tolls. >> Therefore my protest is to roll up to the booth, put down the side >> stand,remove both gloves, dig for$, and with great deliberation, reverse the >> process. >> >> Bob > > Heh heh - The delaware bridge charges more for a trailer than the tow vehicle, so > my pal use to hand the toll collector a $100 bill. This required the toll person > to take down the make, model, and tag number of the tow vehicle. > > Bill > From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 15 09:12:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3FDCqU21117 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (p62.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.190]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18269; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD99EB9.5040406@radix.net> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:14:33 -0400 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: "William J. Huson" , McKeithen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC and tolls References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson lamented: > Here's another one, and pet peeve of the week: bridges and tunnels where > they charge the lowest rate for "two-axle" vehicles, and more for additional > axles. Curiously the "two-axle" rate applies to both cars and MCs. Now > either they're overcharging bikes or undercharging cars. If I were a smart > ass next time I'll ask the toll collectors how all those cars steer only two > axles. To my knowledge the "two-axle" automobile went out of favor about > 1903. Good Point Paul. When we have all those slow poke bikers at the toll booths, we'll let you lead. You can then, take it upon yourself to point out this inaccuracy to the toll booth operators... ;-) > Anybody with a passing acquaintance with cars knows that the front > wheels do not pivot on the same axle, like a horse-drawn carriage does. Only the TRUE enviromentalists use equine powered transportation. All others that profess enviromentalism are liars or hypocrites... -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 15 10:39:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3FEdRU22356 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010415143926.25936.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.39.76] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 07:39:26 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 07:39:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: re: Highway Safety To: Suzookus Maximus , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010415022450.850.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii fyi: spend enough time on skyline enjoying those curves and you will certainly end up with a costly speeding ticket. skyline is notorious for low speed limits and eager park police. it is much safer to enjoy the curves farther south on the brp. --- Suzookus Maximus wrote: > "Paul Wilson" wrote: > > < (why am I sitting inside emailing on such a gorgeous > day?)>> > > Yeah dude! Get in the mix! > > Skyline was awesome today. Hardly any cars, clear > skies warm weather and lots of curves! I'm going again > Sunday. ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 15 11:30:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3FFUaU23174 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (p50.a1.du.radix.net [207.192.129.50]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17997; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD9BF0A.10609@radix.net> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:32:26 -0400 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Suzookus Maximus , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Highway Safety References: <20010415143926.25936.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer cautioned: > fyi: > spend enough time on skyline enjoying those curves and you > will certainly end up with a costly speeding ticket. > skyline is notorious for low speed limits and eager park > police. isn't that true of any of the twisty roads we haunt ? > > it is much safer to enjoy the curves farther south on the > brp. not surprising, the park ranger budget is augmented by the speeding tickets. They're just ensuring their future employment... -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 15 12:37:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3FGb6U24147 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010415163705.14930.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.39.76] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:37:05 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:37:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Highway Safety To: Dave Yates Cc: Suzookus Maximus , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3AD9BF0A.10609@radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > Tom Gimer cautioned: > > > fyi: > > spend enough time on skyline enjoying those curves and > > you > > will certainly end up with a costly speeding ticket. > > skyline is notorious for low speed limits and eager > > park police. > > isn't that true of any of the twisty roads we haunt ? not the ones we hit yesterday in our ~350 mile loop where we saw one local sheriff, one local officer, and one state trooper: 42 250 28 33 55 i have not included in that tally the highly visible police presence we always observe on 211 near skyline drive (3 on that road alone yesterday).... ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 15 12:47:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3FGlNU24294 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RacerGirl435@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.9.13f580c7 (4564) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:47:10 -0400 (EDT) From: RacerGirl435@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9.13f580c7.280b2a8e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:47:10 EDT Subject: Re: One less rider To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 Bill, I'm sorry to hear about your friend but am sure he is in a much better place. God speed Richard. Jess From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 15 14:25:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu11.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu11.email.msn.com [207.46.181.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3FIPrU25713 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavilion ([63.15.236.248]) by cpimssmtpu11.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:25:47 -0700 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" , "Ricardo Pontes" Subject: RE: fuel efficient motorcycle Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:29:11 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2001 18:25:47.0665 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DDE0010:01C0C5D9] I found a very fuel efficient scooter, a very good looking scooter by italjet 50cc. It gets 95mpg on average, and the best is 105 mpg, ridden hard is 90 mpg. Tange is 200 miles. Sounds like a great scooter, but it is marked at 3195. I think this is a good scooter for someone like me, if anyone knows someone that is selling a used one it would be good. Bad part is maintenance on these exotic scooters instead of hondas that can be repaired just about anywhere. Ricardo Pontes From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 15 15:16:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3FJGSU26518 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merctech.com (user-2ivemqc.dsl.mindspring.com [165.247.91.76]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12102 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:16:27 -0400 (EDT) From: bergman@XXXXXX Received: from biber (bergman@localhost) by merctech.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3FJFtQ16161 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:15:56 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Dcc: Subject: looking for a road... Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:15:55 -0400 Message-ID: <16160.987362155@biber> I'm trying to find a particular road... I saw a web page, possibly on Dale Horstman's site--or on a link from there, that described a rally (partially) in Virginia. There was a small town in western VA that was a bonus location. The web page had photos and a map of a small town with a twisty paved road leading in, and another, unpaved, leading out. Both roads ran basically north-south. The rally description related how the route essentially dead-ended at the town (avoiding the dirt side), thus making it a difficult bonus location. Does _any_ of this sound at all familiar? ---- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 15 15:26:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mcnte1.mc.cc.md.us ([160.253.138.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3FJQSU26602 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MCNTE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <20KRCYGG>; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:23:51 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'bergman@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: looking for a road... Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:23:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Was that maybe Deals Gap? It is a real challenging twisty mountain road. Some bikers try to "challenge" it and get some sort of fast completion time. Others merely enjoy it, and more often live through the experience. I think that is over near where you are talking about. If you think it is Deal's Gap, let me know, and I'll find out more. The PC800 listers talk often about it in fond terms. Saul -----Original Message----- From: bergman@XXXXXX [mailto:bergman@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 3:16 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: looking for a road... I'm trying to find a particular road... I saw a web page, possibly on Dale Horstman's site--or on a link from there, that described a rally (partially) in Virginia. There was a small town in western VA that was a bonus location. The web page had photos and a map of a small town with a twisty paved road leading in, and another, unpaved, leading out. Both roads ran basically north-south. The rally description related how the route essentially dead-ended at the town (avoiding the dirt side), thus making it a difficult bonus location. Does _any_ of this sound at all familiar? ---- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 15 16:12:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3FKCYU27357 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010415201233.14053.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.39.76] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:12:33 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:12:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: looking for a road... To: "Goldberg, Saul" , "'bergman@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Goldberg, Saul" wrote: > Was that maybe Deals Gap? doubtful. deals gap is on the border of TN and NC. a great road, but not the one mark is thinking of. mark: i suggest you contact todd peer at toddbpeer@XXXXXX for questions about any roads that are associated with bonus points in various east coast rallies. > -----Original Message----- > From: bergman@XXXXXX [mailto:bergman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 3:16 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: looking for a road... > > > I'm trying to find a particular road... > > I saw a web page, possibly on Dale Horstman's site--or on > a link from there, > > that described a rally (partially) in Virginia. There was > a small town in > western VA that was a bonus location. The web page had > photos and a map of a > > small town with a twisty paved road leading in, and > another, unpaved, > leading > out. Both roads ran basically north-south. The rally > description related how > > the route essentially dead-ended at the town (avoiding > the dirt side), thus > making it a difficult bonus location. > > Does _any_ of this sound at all familiar? ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 15 18:10:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10504.mail.yahoo.com (web10504.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.154]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3FMAmU29111 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010415221047.90404.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.147.78.216] by web10504.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:10:47 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:10:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzookus Maximus Subject: Re: Highway Safety To: Tom Gimer , Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010415163705.14930.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Dave Yates wrote: > > Tom Gimer cautioned: > > > > > fyi: > > > spend enough time on skyline enjoying those > curves and > > > you > > > will certainly end up with a costly speeding > ticket. > > > skyline is notorious for low speed limits and > eager > > > park police. > > > > isn't that true of any of the twisty roads we > haunt ? I hear ya! That is what I had heard before, either tons of cars or tons of cops. This weekend fortunately had neither. There were a few rangers around, I didn't see any of them giving out tickets. Most seemed to be out of their cars hiking around. I did follow one for about 20 miles that was going pretty fast through his section (~50 mph). Some of those bicyclists getting moving downhill pretty quickly too -- look out!!! :0 -jeff ===== ->bike: '00 GSX-R750 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 15 19:07:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9606.mail.yahoo.com (web9606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3FN7ZU00196 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010415230734.1902.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.140.103.81] by web9606.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:07:34 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:07:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re-sale value To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <105.1e28f05.280b792b@cs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am considering re-painting my bike solid Pearl White. I was wondering what this would do for my resale value. As it is now, the bike is Pearl White/Red/Blue (anniversary colors) with some deep, heavy scratches on the left side and a small crack in the upper fairing. Painting the fairings and tank would eliminate this, but would it be better to just replace some of the panels with NOS for higher resale value? Thanks, Adam Reinhardt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 15 22:57:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3G2vrU03760 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (user-2ivelln.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.86.183]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA31735 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ADA5FB5.964BD760@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:57:57 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Kneedown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got this of alt.motorcycle.sportbike. Had to share. Turns out you don't need a YSR to learn how to get a knee down! %^) http://www.blackletter.org/news/kneedown.jpg Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 01:29:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3G5TxU05976 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-248.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.248]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA29785 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:29:57 -0400 Posted-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:29:57 -0400 Message-ID: <007201c0c634$97907640$76a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: ABATE efforts Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:17:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01C0C613.0FB56BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C0C613.0FB56BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes. And EZ-Pass. And foolish-bill kill. =20 Always good to hear about these efforts.=20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Can a machine get a license to lobby? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: "Kathleen Loerich" Subject: Re: Highway Safety Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:25:01 -0400 Recently ABATE of Maryland members had a series of meetings with State Highway Administration representatives about road conditions that are = unsafe for motorcycles. =20 ...snip ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C0C613.0FB56BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes.  And EZ-Pass.  And foolish-bill = kill. =20
 
Always good to hear about these efforts. =
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> Can a machine get a = license to=20 lobby?
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding = fun.
 
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:25:01 = -0400
Recently ABATE of Maryland members had a series of = meetings=20 with State
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------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C0C613.0FB56BC0-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 01:30:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10506.mail.yahoo.com (web10506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3G5UVU06058 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010416053029.3757.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.94.49.107] by web10506.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:30:29 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:30:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Kneedown To: the_penas@XXXXXX, DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3ADA5FB5.964BD760@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Saw that on SBN, some people have too much time on their hands. :) Todd W. --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Got this of alt.motorcycle.sportbike. Had to share. > Turns out you > don't need a YSR to learn how to get a knee down! > %^) > > http://www.blackletter.org/news/kneedown.jpg > > Chuck > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 08:08:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11203.mail.yahoo.com (web11203.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3GC80U12676 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010416120731.4859.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11203.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 05:07:31 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 05:07:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Rough Road To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Last week I sent that e-mail to the Maryland SHA regarding the grooved entrance ramp to 270 (as you know since the thread is still going). Well, I drove by it yesterday and there is now a sign right before the entrance that says "ROUGH ROAD". Wow, am I all that powerful??? Now if I could just get them to fix that toll problem... Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 08:25:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11503.mail.yahoo.com (web11503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3GCPgU12916 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010416122541.43418.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.183.152.14] by web11503.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 05:25:41 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 05:25:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Highway Safety To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Have you heard that NC is trying to plug a hole in > the state budget by > erecting toll booths on 95 at the state line? That > is truly "highway > robbery." > Doesn't surprise me but I thought that states could not add new tolls on roads that were designated as Interstates? Obviously roads that already had tolls on them BEFORE they were Interstates are grand-fathered in. > In the case of Maryland, though, and most of the > Northeastern states, the > tolls pay for facilities (turnpikes, bridges and > tunnels) that were financed > by state-issued bonds, not taxes on motor fuel. Give me a break. Think of the amount of money ANY toll booth makes in a years time. They could probably build a new bridge every other year. If anything they should be lowering the price of the toll each year. All of the bridges from PA to NJ just upped the toll from $2 to $3 last year. Someone please explain to me how they justify that? Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 08:25:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11503.mail.yahoo.com (web11503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3GCPlU12926 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010416122546.43437.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.183.152.14] by web11503.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 05:25:46 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 05:25:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Highway Safety To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Have you heard that NC is trying to plug a hole in > the state budget by > erecting toll booths on 95 at the state line? That > is truly "highway > robbery." > Doesn't surprise me but I thought that states could not add new tolls on roads that were designated as Interstates? Obviously roads that already had tolls on them BEFORE they were Interstates are grand-fathered in. > In the case of Maryland, though, and most of the > Northeastern states, the > tolls pay for facilities (turnpikes, bridges and > tunnels) that were financed > by state-issued bonds, not taxes on motor fuel. Give me a break. Think of the amount of money ANY toll booth makes in a years time. They could probably build a new bridge every other year. If anything they should be lowering the price of the toll each year. All of the bridges from PA to NJ just upped the toll from $2 to $3 last year. Someone please explain to me how they justify that? Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 08:26:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11506.mail.yahoo.com (web11506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3GCQDU12936 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010416122613.98917.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.183.152.14] by web11506.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 05:26:13 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 05:26:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Highway Safety To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Have you heard that NC is trying to plug a hole in > the state budget by > erecting toll booths on 95 at the state line? That > is truly "highway > robbery." > Doesn't surprise me but I thought that states could not add new tolls on roads that were designated as Interstates? Obviously roads that already had tolls on them BEFORE they were Interstates are grand-fathered in. > In the case of Maryland, though, and most of the > Northeastern states, the > tolls pay for facilities (turnpikes, bridges and > tunnels) that were financed > by state-issued bonds, not taxes on motor fuel. Give me a break. Think of the amount of money ANY toll booth makes in a years time. They could probably build a new bridge every other year. If anything they should be lowering the price of the toll each year. All of the bridges from PA to NJ just upped the toll from $2 to $3 last year. Someone please explain to me how they justify that? Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 08:31:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11206.mail.yahoo.com (web11206.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.188]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3GCV7U13088 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010416123105.5403.qmail@web11206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11206.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 05:31:05 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 05:31:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Highway Safety To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010416122613.98917.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Higher fuel prices to fuel their stinky government paid for cages. --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > Give me a break. Think of the amount of money ANY > toll booth makes in a years time. They could > probably > build a new bridge every other year. If anything > they > should be lowering the price of the toll each year. > All of the bridges from PA to NJ just upped the toll > from $2 to $3 last year. Someone please explain to > me > how they justify that? > > > Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 09:48:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11508.mail.yahoo.com (web11508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3GDmhU14249 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010416134842.84837.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.183.152.10] by web11508.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 06:48:42 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 06:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Highway Safety To: Kathleen Loerich , Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001301c0c4ce$4346e2c0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Kathleen Loerich wrote: > > A question: Why does Maryland insist on a stand > alone system, rather than > > EZ-Pass? Just wondering. Good question. Virginia had their own proprietary system that doesn't allow EZ-Pass either. The worst part of the Maryland system is that it expires if its not used in a certain period of time and then your credit card is automatically recharged for more "passes" as they call it. Seeing how I only visit the PA/NJ area once or twice a month that would cost me a fortune. Who was the brain surgeon who came up with that idea? > > I recall seeing a recent press release announcing > that Maryland's M-TAG > would have reciprocity with EZ-PASS systems sometime > this year. I can't > find it. So, I contacted Lori Vidil at MTA and > asked if she could help me > answer this question. I will let you know what I > find out. > This would be excellent, please keep us informed. Can we get Virginia to do the same? So I don't have to carry two separate transponders? Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 10:31:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay02.equinox.net ([204.68.168.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3GEVGU14952 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2553 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2001 14:30:35 -0000 Received: from h147.s242.netsol.com (HELO ?216.168.242.147?) (216.168.242.147) by relay02.equinox.net with SMTP; 16 Apr 2001 14:30:35 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: johnw@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010416134842.84837.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010416134842.84837.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:30:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: John West Subject: Re: Highway Safety Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I emailed the VA (Smart Tag) people about a moto transponder. Here's their response: At 9:03 AM -0400 4/16/01, Smart-Tag wrote: >John- > Not at this time? > > >At 01:18 PM 04/13/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Do you have any plans to introduce a motorcycle-specific transponder? > >The current model is rather large and flat and doesn't fit very well > >anywhere on my bike. > > > >-john > > >--- Kathleen Loerich >wrote: > > > A question: Why does Maryland insist on a stand > > alone system, rather than > > > EZ-Pass? Just wondering. > >Good question. Virginia had their own proprietary >system that doesn't allow EZ-Pass either. The worst >part of the Maryland system is that it expires if its >not used in a certain period of time and then your >credit card is automatically recharged for more >"passes" as they call it. Seeing how I only visit the >PA/NJ area once or twice a month that would cost me a >fortune. Who was the brain surgeon who came up with >that idea? > > > > I recall seeing a recent press release announcing > > that Maryland's M-TAG > > would have reciprocity with EZ-PASS systems sometime > > this year. I can't > > find it. So, I contacted Lori Vidil at MTA and > > asked if she could help me > > answer this question. I will let you know what I > > find out. > > > >This would be excellent, please keep us informed. Can >we get Virginia to do the same? So I don't have to >carry two separate transponders? > >Glenn > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 10:34:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3GEYZU14974 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id KAA17909; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:31:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.us.pw.com via smap (V5.5) id xma014382; Mon, 16 Apr 01 10:29:29 -0400 Received: from us-amsmta005.us.pw.com by uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GBW00NDX2ZZ1V@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:31:48 -0400 Subject: RE: fuel efficient motorcycle To: ricardopontes@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 04/16/2001 10:32:32 AM Try Motostrada in Baltimore. They have New, Used and Antique scooters. Also have the really cool 50cc Aprilia sportbikes. Feel free to tell 'em I sent you ... http://www.baltvespa.com/main.html --chris Ricardo Pontes on 04/15/2001 02:29:11 PM To: Dccycles Ricardo Pontes cc: Subject: RE: fuel efficient motorcycle I found a very fuel efficient scooter, a very good looking scooter by italjet 50cc. It gets 95mpg on average, and the best is 105 mpg, ridden hard is 90 mpg. Tange is 200 miles. Sounds like a great scooter, but it is marked at 3195. I think this is a good scooter for someone like me, if anyone knows someone that is selling a used one it would be good. Bad part is maintenance on these exotic scooters instead of hondas that can be repaired just about anywhere. Ricardo Pontes ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 10:49:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3GEn1U15211 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GBW005LS3S5TZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:48:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GBW002013RZ5S@XXXXXX>; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:48:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.169.36]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GBW00MFZ3RGSE@XXXXXX>; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:47:41 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:49:37 -0400 From: Dale Subject: Re: looking for a road... To: bergman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AD9B501.73358E5A@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <16160.987362155@biber> Mark asked: > There was a small town in > western VA that was a bonus location. The web page had photos and a map of a > small town with a twisty paved road leading in, and another, unpaved, leading > out. Mark, That fantastic Feast in the East bonus was Burkes Garden, Virginia. Incredible geological bowl-shaped valley, a reclusive slice of Heaven that time has almost passed by. Felt like I was riding back in time the further I rode. I still get goose pimples thinking about that ride. The road in from the North is incredible, smooth, scenic, tight, twisty, lots of elevation changes. The road out on the South side is terrifying. Gravel, rutted, switchbacks, sheer drops, guardrails, what guardrails? Would have been excellent on a dual-sport. I was tight on miles, so I HAD to do the 10 miles of gravel. Leon passed through there, and intentionally took the gravel road... :) It's an absolute must-ride if you are in the area. Horkster From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 11:05:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13001.mail.yahoo.com (web13001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3GF5LU15580 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010416150520.15940.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.101.175.2] by web13001.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:05:20 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:05:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeremy Purdy Subject: RE: fuel efficient motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My late Suzuki GZ250 got 60 mpg. Not quite as efficient as your scooters, but you could actually take it on a highway (as long as you don't need to go over 65). Getting it serviced is no problem either. -- Jeremy Purdy (Currently shopping) From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 11:26:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11505.mail.yahoo.com (web11505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3GFQFU15818 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010416152614.74345.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.183.152.14] by web11505.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:26:14 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:26:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Highway Safety To: John West , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From a Virginia gubmint agency this is about right. Glenn --- John West wrote: > I emailed the VA (Smart Tag) people about a moto > transponder. Here's > their response: > > At 9:03 AM -0400 4/16/01, Smart-Tag wrote: > >John- > > Not at this time? > > > > > >At 01:18 PM 04/13/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > >Do you have any plans to introduce a > motorcycle-specific transponder? > > >The current model is rather large and flat and > doesn't fit very well > > >anywhere on my bike. > > > > > >-john __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 11:26:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3GFQPU15821 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-23.patriot.net [209.249.180.23]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3GFQ8E11472; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:26:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3ADB0DBA.8F4516E5@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:20:26 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Purdy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: fuel efficient motorcycle References: <20010416150520.15940.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeremy Purdy wrote: > My late Suzuki GZ250 got 60 mpg. Not quite as > efficient as your scooters, but you could actually > take it on a highway (as long as you don't need to > go over 65). Getting it serviced is no problem > either. > Gopod grief!!! My old Kawi 250 would nudge 100 and cruise at 70 all day or until the center plug fried :-) Milage, about 45, 2-stroke mill. But my old GS550E Suzuki would give me 58 mpg on the hiwy with the Joan Claybrook 85 mph speedo banging the peg. Range about 250 miles to reserve = 4.2 gal. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 11:33:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11501.mail.yahoo.com (web11501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3GFXRU15991 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010416153326.78584.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.183.152.14] by web11501.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:33:26 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:33:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: looking for a road... To: Dale , bergman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3AD9B501.73358E5A@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We did Burkes Garden on the DC Cycles ride to Princeton, WV back in 1998. Our tour guide, a local to the area even gave us some history of it while we were there. We took the paved way in and out though. And I remember the last time I went across it with the WSDYMFG later that year, Sean Sullivan got stung by a bee on the way over into the bowl and I got stung on the way out... Anyhow, there are a ton of great roads down in the Southern VA and WV area. Probably my favorite all time road is VA 16 from Marion, VA to Tazwell. I like it better then Deals Gap. Just as many turns with less traffic and no LEO. Glenn --- Dale wrote: > > That fantastic Feast in the East bonus was Burkes > Garden, Virginia. > Incredible geological bowl-shaped valley, a > reclusive slice of Heaven > that time has almost passed by. Felt like I was > riding back in time > the further I rode. I still get goose pimples > thinking about that ride. The road in from the North is incredible, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 11:52:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13807.mail.yahoo.com (web13807.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3GFq6U16316 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010416155206.81202.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13807.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:52:06 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:52:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Ticket Help Needed To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, I got one from the Loudon County Sheriff on Rt 7 outside of Purcellville. I was doing 75 in a 55 and he wrote me for 70, which was nice. However, I would like to fight this ticket. Here are my two questions. 1. He made a mistake on the court date. He wrote down 9:30 PM instead of 9:30 AM for the court time (I am assuming this is a mistake...). Is this a reason to get the ticket thrown out of court? 2. My speedometer is broken. The officer said that I could ask the prosecutor to change it to 'defective equipment'. Does anyone have experience with this defense? I can get proof that it is broken from a moto shop. Thanks for your ideas, Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 11:58:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3GFwwU16394 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01138 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu (paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.133]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21044 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA68803 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (max1h-73.his.com [216.32.85.73]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA00826 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010416115918.0108c3e0@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:59:21 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Team Charm @ VIR 4/14-15/01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Read about our latest results @ http://www.his.com/~harris/news.htm Find out when the next event is @ http://www.his.com/~harris/sched.htm If you are web impaired & need a text version sent to you, let me know. Enjoy! Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 12:04:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11504.mail.yahoo.com (web11504.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3GG4DU16495 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010416160412.80474.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.183.152.14] by web11504.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:04:12 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:04:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Ticket Help Needed To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20010416155206.81202.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Ok, I got one from the Loudon County Sheriff on Rt 7 > outside of Purcellville. I was doing 75 in a 55 and > he wrote me for 70, which was nice. That was nice. > > However, I would like to fight this ticket. Here > are > my two questions. > > 1. He made a mistake on the court date. He wrote > down > 9:30 PM instead of 9:30 AM for the court time (I am > assuming this is a mistake...). Is this a reason to > get the ticket thrown out of court? > No, that won't do it. Call the court and get the right time. > 2. My speedometer is broken. The officer said that > I > could ask the prosecutor to change it to 'defective > equipment'. Does anyone have experience with this > defense? I can get proof that it is broken from a > moto shop. > Get a receipt of repair from a shop and take it to court. Talk to the prosecutor ahead of time and ask him if you can have it reduced to faulty equipment, pay the fine and be done with it. I've gotten out of a ticket in Roanoke this way but a lawyer handled it for me. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 12:31:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web904.mail.yahoo.com (web904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3GGVEU17099 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5863 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Apr 2001 16:30:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20010416163059.5862.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web904.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:30:59 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:30:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: fuel efficient motorcycle To: Ricardo Pontes , Dccycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Buy what you want, ride carefully. My Ninja 250 gets between 38 and 75 mpg, depending how it's ridden. The ZX6 gets between 26 and 55. My mopeds get better than 100 mpg, but that's not a very good reason for getting one. Little bikes need more care and attention than big ones, that care and attention costs more than fuel. Fuel mileage on a motorcycle is not and should not be the primary concern. It doesn't make economic sense. Leon Begeman --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > > Hello, > > Im considering buying another motorcycle. Im > interested in knowing what is > the most fuel efficient motorcycle around? I heard > scooters are pretty fuel > efficient. I believe a honda ch80 gets 80 mpg. I am > thinking of a 4 stroke > motorcycle. Smaller than 600cc. I heard some honda > 125cc got like 110mpg, i > dont know which models. My tiger gets around 45mpg > if riden moderatly, it > amounts to something like 250 miles per tank. I > never really have found out > the true milage it gets because i never decide to > run it until it runs out. > Anyone know the statistics of their motorcycles when > it comes to fuel > efficiency? > > Ricardo Pontes > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 12:41:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3GGfGU17221 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-6-213.s1737.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.6.213] helo=ElectraGlide) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14pC3v-0007Vq-00 ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:41:15 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01c0c694$0d504e00$d5062c42@mshome.net> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: , "John West" References: <20010416134842.84837.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Highway Safety Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:41:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 The way that we got attention in Maryland was by mentioning that Federal ISTEA legislation includes language that states motorcycles must be considered in Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS). Electronic Toll Collection is part of ITS. Also, we filed bills in the General Assembly that said if MTA's system couldn't accommodate motorcycles, it was up to MTA to correct the deficiencies and not the rider's responsiblity if a rider got violation notices because their system didn't work. We withdrew the legislation because we found MTA to be responsive and working to correct the problem. We are near the end of actually coming up with a solution. Kathleen Loerich ----- Original Message ----- From: "John West" To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 10:30 AM Subject: Re: Highway Safety > I emailed the VA (Smart Tag) people about a moto transponder. Here's > their response: > > At 9:03 AM -0400 4/16/01, Smart-Tag wrote: > >John- > > Not at this time? > > > > > >At 01:18 PM 04/13/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > >Do you have any plans to introduce a motorcycle-specific transponder? > > >The current model is rather large and flat and doesn't fit very well > > >anywhere on my bike. > > > > > >-john > > > > > > > >--- Kathleen Loerich > >wrote: > > > > A question: Why does Maryland insist on a stand > > > alone system, rather than > > > > EZ-Pass? Just wondering. > > > >Good question. Virginia had their own proprietary > >system that doesn't allow EZ-Pass either. The worst > >part of the Maryland system is that it expires if its > >not used in a certain period of time and then your > >credit card is automatically recharged for more > >"passes" as they call it. Seeing how I only visit the > >PA/NJ area once or twice a month that would cost me a > >fortune. Who was the brain surgeon who came up with > >that idea? > > > > > > I recall seeing a recent press release announcing > > > that Maryland's M-TAG > > > would have reciprocity with EZ-PASS systems sometime > > > this year. I can't > > > find it. So, I contacted Lori Vidil at MTA and > > > asked if she could help me > > > answer this question. I will let you know what I > > > find out. > > > > > > >This would be excellent, please keep us informed. Can > >we get Virginia to do the same? So I don't have to > >carry two separate transponders? > > > >Glenn > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 13:03:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3GH3MU17624 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pascal (pool-63.49.135.117.bltm.grid.net [63.49.135.117]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA00566; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004901c0c697$15a26720$0301a8c0@mindspring.com> From: "Michelle Kaston" To: "Glenn Dysart" , References: <20010416160412.80474.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Ticket Help Needed Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:02:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I've used the "faulty equipment" as as excuse too, and I didn't use a lawyer. In Loudon county, (this is where I got my ticket also) I went to the court date and when I was called I told them I wanted to talk to the guy (Assistant DA??) to plea my case. Went into another room, waited in line, showed the guy the sheet from the dealership that said I had a bad spedo and got it reduced to the faulty equipment ($50 fine plus court costs, but not a moving violation so doesn't go against points) sort of a hassle and kills your morning, but keeps your record clean so definitely worth it! ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Dysart To: Mark Kitchell ; DC Cycles Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 12:04 PM Subject: Re: Ticket Help Needed --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Ok, I got one from the Loudon County Sheriff on Rt 7 > outside of Purcellville. I was doing 75 in a 55 and > he wrote me for 70, which was nice. That was nice. > > However, I would like to fight this ticket. Here > are > my two questions. > > 1. He made a mistake on the court date. He wrote > down > 9:30 PM instead of 9:30 AM for the court time (I am > assuming this is a mistake...). Is this a reason to > get the ticket thrown out of court? > No, that won't do it. Call the court and get the right time. > 2. My speedometer is broken. The officer said that > I > could ask the prosecutor to change it to 'defective > equipment'. Does anyone have experience with this > defense? I can get proof that it is broken from a > moto shop. > Get a receipt of repair from a shop and take it to court. Talk to the prosecutor ahead of time and ask him if you can have it reduced to faulty equipment, pay the fine and be done with it. I've gotten out of a ticket in Roanoke this way but a lawyer handled it for me. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 13:12:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13802.mail.yahoo.com (web13802.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3GHCKU17779 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010416171213.67269.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13802.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:12:13 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Ticket Help Needed To: Michelle Kaston , Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <004901c0c697$15a26720$0301a8c0@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks everyone! --- Michelle Kaston wrote: > I've used the "faulty equipment" as as excuse too, > and I didn't use a > lawyer. In Loudon county, (this is where I got my > ticket also) I went to > the court date and when I was called I told them I > wanted to talk to the guy > (Assistant DA??) to plea my case. Went into another > room, waited in line, > showed the guy the sheet from the dealership that > said I had a bad spedo and > got it reduced to the faulty equipment ($50 fine > plus court costs, but not a > moving violation so doesn't go against points) sort > of a hassle and kills > your morning, but keeps your record clean so > definitely worth it! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Glenn Dysart > To: Mark Kitchell ; DC > Cycles > > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: Ticket Help Needed > > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Ok, I got one from the Loudon County Sheriff on Rt > 7 > > outside of Purcellville. I was doing 75 in a 55 > and > > he wrote me for 70, which was nice. > > That was nice. > > > > > However, I would like to fight this ticket. Here > > are > > my two questions. > > > > 1. He made a mistake on the court date. He wrote > > down > > 9:30 PM instead of 9:30 AM for the court time (I > am > > assuming this is a mistake...). Is this a reason > to > > get the ticket thrown out of court? > > > > No, that won't do it. Call the court and get the > right time. > > > 2. My speedometer is broken. The officer said > that > > I > > could ask the prosecutor to change it to > 'defective > > equipment'. Does anyone have experience with this > > defense? I can get proof that it is broken from a > > moto shop. > > > > Get a receipt of repair from a shop and take it to > court. Talk to the prosecutor ahead of time and ask > him if you can have it reduced to faulty equipment, > pay the fine and be done with it. I've gotten out > of > a ticket in Roanoke this way but a lawyer handled it > for me. > > Glenn > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 13:43:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ns4.fcs.com (ns4.fcs.com [207.86.164.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3GHhlU18239 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from arif [63.216.187.16] by ns4.fcs.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id AFD517E000C4; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:45:57 -0400 From: "Arif Zobairi" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Ticket Help Needed Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:45:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010416155206.81202.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Last fall, on my way back from Summit Point my buddy and I got pulled over in Loudon county (Rt.7). Here is an account of all the mistakes the cop made while writing me up. I posted this on another list to see what advice they could give me: >here's the scoop.. my riding buddy and i were returning from a track day at >our local track when we came across Officer XYZ (??). > >coming back from the track we were on a 55 mph stretch coming around a >blind >corner with my buddy in the right lane and me in the left lane. well what >do >we see?? a cop car sitting on the shoulder off the road, with radar >pointing >through the back and the Officer looking at us through his rear-view >mirror. > >we had not even crossed him before he had his lights on and was starting to >merge into the road. dutifully we both pull over and the cop walks up to >us. > >barely listens to us and says that he is going to write us up for an 80 mph >reckless ticket (in VA, 20+ over the limit is considered a reckless which >is >6 points on your record). > >he hands us both tickets which state that we were being cited for reckless >driving. i look over the ticket to see what speed he wrote us down so that >i >could calculate how much the ticket was going to cost me. BUT THERE WAS NO >SPEED MENTIONED!! > >so i ask the officer what speed did he clock us at. his response, "i only >got the first bike at 84 mph and will tell the judge that the second bike >was going just as fast since it was next to the first!!!!!". now i have >serious issues with this statement! > >a/ initially when pulled over he said we were going 80 mph. now he says 84 >mph but has not written it anywhere on the ticket what speed he caught us >at. > >b/ how can he assume that the second bike was going the same speed as the >first! > >c/ if 20+ the limit constitutes a reckless then what was our speed? since >he >did not write the speed on the ticket then how can he issue us a reckless >ticket? isnt he contradicting himself? we were just riding along, trying to >get home. > >d/ according to him, the radar only caught the first bike that came around >the corner. since he was looking through his rear-view mirror he doesnt >even >know which one it was! hence he did not even tell us which bike he clocked! > >so what do you think? i havent spoken to a lawyer yet, but it seems to me >like this ticket has quite a few holes in it. do we have a case to try and >fight this on our own or get a lawyer. > >both our records are clean and this is the last thing that i want. > >also, check this out. i handed the officer the registration of my STOLEN F4 >by mistake instead of the GSXR that i was riding and he actually WROTE me >up >on that bike. i could not believe it. only when i got the ticket back did i >notice that he did this. so i brought to his attention that he wrote me up >on a stolen bike and asked him if he ran a check on the bike or not? he >admitted to not have checked out the bike and just took the info for the >gixxer afterwards! > >thanks for hearing me out and yeah please advise on the best course of >action. > >thanks and look forward to hearing from you. > >arif > >p.s. i was planning on getting the GSXR's speedo calibrated but ended up >selling the bike a couple of weeks ago. >my track day was on Sept. 5th and i bought the bike on Aug 28th and it went >straight to the shop for mechanical work/performance upgrade for the track. >i got it back from the shop two days before the track day and hence was >basically on a new bike. (not the best thing for the track! i must add). >turns out that the bike was not that great on the track and that is one of >the reasons that i ended up selling it right afterwards. > So you would think that any decent lawyer would chew up the cop with the amount of mistakes/errors he made? Wrong! I got a reduced sentence of improper driving and a $150 fine. Better than a reckless ticket of 6 points but still pisses me off when I think about it. Good Luck to you! BTW what was the name of the cop who pulled you over? Arif -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:52 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: Ticket Help Needed Ok, I got one from the Loudon County Sheriff on Rt 7 outside of Purcellville. I was doing 75 in a 55 and he wrote me for 70, which was nice. However, I would like to fight this ticket. Here are my two questions. 1. He made a mistake on the court date. He wrote down 9:30 PM instead of 9:30 AM for the court time (I am assuming this is a mistake...). Is this a reason to get the ticket thrown out of court? 2. My speedometer is broken. The officer said that I could ask the prosecutor to change it to 'defective equipment'. Does anyone have experience with this defense? I can get proof that it is broken from a moto shop. Thanks for your ideas, Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 14:17:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3GIHQU18820 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:17:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200104161417.AA522781330@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Damn it! Nice people! X-Mailer: Damn it! Nice people! ---------------------- Couldn't believe it. Saw a nice person last Friday. Three in a row, even! I hate turning left onto multi-lane highways and having someone wave me across. Too many times it's someone in the near lane, and they're trying to help me out, but there's too many blind spots. So I wave them by and hold up my hand in thanks. So Friday I was trying to pull out of the Holiday Inn parking lot at Ballston, VA, and turn left to get onto I-66 westbound. Wackos flying in from the left after coming off the interstate. Wackos racing up from the right in a drag race to the on-ramp. Not a pleasant place for a bike! So as the traffic moved out with a green light, the first car waved me across. I waved him by, and thanked him. Then the second car waved me across and I waved him by and thanked him. After receiving another shoulder-shrug, and getting a little embarassed, I studiously looked to the right to show I wasn't ready to pull out. Then I looked to the left and the driver of a large pickup (with a blind spot the size of an SUV!) was waving me across. I waved him by, too, and thanked him. Finally the traffic cleared and I pulled out, with a clear view both ways that there was no hidden hazards, no high-speed wackos approaching. Whew, made it. Damn it! Nice people! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 16:44:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3GKiMU21212 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Whetu@XXXXXX by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.93.969e925 (15908) for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web50.aolmail.aol.com (web50.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.11]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.37) with ESMTP; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:44:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:44:08 EDT From: Whetu@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Buell Cop Bikes To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <93.969e925.280cb399@aol.com> > I love it! Replace one humiliation for another. > Don't they ride around on > the Honda Rebel 250 as well? Or am I thinking of the > third-tier DC moto-cop...hehehe DC MPD primarily ride Honda Nighthawk 250's but they do still have some Rebels and maybe some Route 66's. I got a chance to poke my head in their moto storage facility in SE and saw some old Honda CB/CM 400's - looked like perhaps even the two-speed semi- automatic 'Hondamatics', which were actually kinda fun bikes. -Euan From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 17:37:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3GLbOU22143 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.78.121.190]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010416213658.YQZE21045.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@default>; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:36:58 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01c0c6bd$35da6e40$be794e0c@default> Reply-To: "Jeremy Purdy" From: "Jeremy Purdy" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: References: <20010416150520.15940.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> <3ADB0DBA.8F4516E5@patriot.net> Subject: Re: fuel efficient motorcycle Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:35:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Low top end is the problem when you have a thumper... ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" To: "Jeremy Purdy" Cc: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:20 AM Subject: Re: fuel efficient motorcycle > > > Jeremy Purdy wrote: > > > My late Suzuki GZ250 got 60 mpg. Not quite as > > efficient as your scooters, but you could actually > > take it on a highway (as long as you don't need to > > go over 65). Getting it serviced is no problem > > either. > > > > Gopod grief!!! My old Kawi 250 would nudge 100 and cruise at 70 all day > or until the center plug fried :-) Milage, about 45, 2-stroke mill. > But my old GS550E Suzuki would give me 58 mpg on the hiwy with the Joan > Claybrook 85 mph speedo banging the peg. Range about 250 miles to > reserve = 4.2 gal. > > Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 17:45:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3GLjkU22340 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-165.patriot.net [209.249.180.165]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3GLhhE30708; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:43:43 -0400 Message-ID: <3ADB6639.476ADA7C@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:38:01 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Purdy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: fuel efficient motorcycle References: <20010416150520.15940.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> <3ADB0DBA.8F4516E5@patriot.net> <001a01c0c6bd$35da6e40$be794e0c@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeremy Purdy wrote: > Low top end is the problem when you have a thumper... > Gee, didn't notice that when I had a single cyl 90cc Kawi street bike. Turned a gazzilion rpm and would crank 70 on hiwy - 75 if you hugged the gas tank. Had to carry spare plugs - they fried about every few hundred miles at that speed :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 19:20:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.ne.smtp.psi.net (relay1.ne.smtp.psi.net [38.9.153.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3GNKLU23980 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay1.ne.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14pII8-0000dr-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:20:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:24 -0500 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Rough Road indeed Message-ID: <20010416191929110-26c1de89@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Rough Road >regarding the grooved entrance ramp to 270 (as you >know since the thread is still going). Well, I drove >by it yesterday and there is now a sign right before >the entrance that says "ROUGH ROAD". Wow, am I all >that powerful??? speaking of rough road: WATCH OUT on east bound river road b/w Glen & Travilah. I was out riding this w/e and noticed 2 huge potholes close together there. These things are in the right 1/2 of the lane, ~1.5-2' wide and ~3' long. They were definitely more than an inch deep and looked like they could easily stop you in your tracks. Very nasty. I'll dig up a # & call them in but stay alert folks. keep the shiny side up! R '00 ZX-9R Voodoo '96 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 21:06:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ex-sj-4.digisle.com (ex-sj.digisle.com [167.216.153.102]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3H16MU25643 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:06:22 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4418.65 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RSV Mille for Sale Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:05:17 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RSV Mille for Sale Thread-Index: AcDG2do5GAXpDlqbRwKnuZERFZy1vQ== From: "Grant Conroy" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f3H17lU25644 2000 RSV Mille. 937 miles. (I am the first owner.) Blue and orange original paint scheme. Carefully broken in- I had no idea I would be selling it. The bike is stock. I also have the Aprilia Ti Racing pipe and chip for it. They are new in box, and have not been mounted. (This is an option, does not have to be purchased with bike) I hate to see it go, but tax time sucks... :( It's located in Arlington, VA, but I can deliver within reason, or work something out for shipping. I've never had a problem with the bike- it was derestricted by the dealer I purchased it from, and had it's 600 mile service done by Fast Lane Cycles. Will accept best offer. For more info, you can reach me via grant@XXXXXX or at (703) 338-1516 (cell). Thanks, --grant for stock pics, check out www.macaronincheese.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 21:42:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3H1gIU26173 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-75-153.s407.tnt11.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.75.153] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14pKVV-00061N-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:42:17 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c0c6df$88b45460$994b2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: References: <200104162301.f3GN1LP23561@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: looking for a road Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:41:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 LOL! With all the enthusiasm Dale and Glenn had regalling Burkes Garden, they failed to tell Mark where it is....heheh. >From the east side of Tazwell, VA get on SR61 where it intersects 19 and head east for roughly 5 miles. Turn right onto Sr623 at Gratton. Burkes Garden is another 8 miles. Continue on from there on Sr623 over the mountain. Sr623 turns into Sr622 as you cross the Appalachian Trail/County line, and then terminates at SR42 in about 7.5 miles. Or you could do it backwards. Glenn is right. If you're down there, head over to SR16. It is a fantastic road. Heck, there are so many good roads down there to try out. Todd (did I just say Heck?) From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 23:17:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10501.mail.yahoo.com (web10501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.151]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3H3HTU27636 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010417031725.81400.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.147.78.216] by web10501.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:17:25 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:17:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzookus Maximus Subject: RE: Ticket Help Needed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The VA traffic laws are antiquated; 75 mph in a 55 mph zone never seems reckless to me! It seems reckless to go slower cause you don't you will get run over by a Honda Civic! Shouldn't it be relative? To me 45 in a 25 is MUCH more reckless than 75 on the highway. Seems like you'd have to be going like 80-85 in a 55 and close to 100 in a 65 zone to be considered reckless (e.g. something like speedlimit*150%=reckless). About the luckiest on my bike I've gotten was whipping past a state trooper @ 100 mph on the highway (i.e. ... didn't see him 100 mph, saw him 80, few feet past him 65!!!). As I past him I noticed that his hat brim was not parallel to the dash, but was rather @ a 45 degree angle pointing upwards (i.e. fast asleep in "mmmm... doughnuts" slumberland!). I guess that beats clocking us evil biker speeders on a long shift. :0 -jeff ===== ->bike: '00 GSX-R750 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 23:26:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10503.mail.yahoo.com (web10503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.153]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3H3Q3U27731 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010417032602.35749.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.147.78.216] by web10503.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:26:02 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:26:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzookus Maximus Subject: Re: Ticket Help Needed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > 2. My speedometer is broken. The officer said > that > > I > > could ask the prosecutor to change it to > 'defective > > equipment'. Does anyone have experience with this > > defense? I can get proof that it is broken from a > > moto shop. > > > > Get a receipt of repair from a shop and take it to > court. Talk to the prosecutor ahead of time and ask > him if you can have it reduced to faulty equipment, > pay the fine and be done with it. I've gotten out > of > a ticket in Roanoke this way but a lawyer handled it > for me. Hmm... do they check those receipts very closely? Couldn't you just detach the cable, take it into a shop and say "What's the deal with this crap bike u just sold me, speedo don't work." After they fix it for free due to the fear of a flame war on the dccycles list serve you instill in them, you ask them for a receipt with 'no charge' on it. :0 -jeff ===== ->bike: '00 GSX-R750 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 16 23:55:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3H3tMU28208 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rest0237 (va-leesburgSB1-195.strgva.adelphia.net [216.174.55.195]) by idalee.loudoun.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f3H3sgP25519; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00da01c0c6f4$3a5e6ac0$1464a8c0@rest0237> From: "Greg" To: , References: Subject: EX Help Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 00:09:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Is there anyone out there that can help me out. with my two EX 500s? I need instructions on how to clean my carbs, do a tuneup and clean out my gas tank..... Any info would be greatful. Also, if anyone knows of someone that likes working on bikes and lives in the No Va area, I would even pay to get some of the work done on my bikes. Thanks John From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 02:01:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10501.mail.yahoo.com (web10501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.151]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3H60xU00529 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 02:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010417060058.91058.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.113.73] by web10501.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:00:58 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:00:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Race this weekend at Summit Point. To: DC Bike List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Who all is going to be there? You riding or driving? Camping or Day tripping? Anybody want to volunteer to transport my beer so I can ride?:) Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 08:16:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HCGLU06526 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (va-sterlingsb1-132.strgva.adelphia.net [216.174.54.132]) by idalee.loudoun.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3HCFmP16772 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ADC3412.76A52DF8@loudoun.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:16:19 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Reply-To: jmoran@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Bike List Subject: Re: Race this weekend at Summit Point. References: <20010417060058.91058.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll be there cornerworking with MARRC. Saturday for sure and maybe Sunday as well. Won't be able to camp, but I'll definitely be over at the DC Cycles pit after the races to do safety/quality inspection of their various hops/barley products. I think I'm going to ride, so I can't transport your beverages. I've heard that I can't be trusted in that capacity, so it's just as well. Randy Moran Todd Withrow wrote: > Who all is going to be there? You riding or driving? > Camping or Day tripping? > > Anybody want to volunteer to transport my beer so I > can ride?:) > > Todd W. > > ===== > AIM: Inf DS > > http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 08:25:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11207.mail.yahoo.com (web11207.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.189]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3HCP9U06630 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010417122508.12384.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11207.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 05:25:08 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 05:25:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Rough Road indeed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010416191929110-26c1de89@watsonwyatt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Also, there is a nasty grooved section on Great Seneca Highway eastbound below Quince Orchard Road heading toward Muddy Branch. That's been there a little while too. --- Rob Bell wrote: > speaking of rough road: WATCH OUT on east bound > river road b/w Glen & Travilah. > I was out riding this w/e and noticed 2 huge > potholes close together there. > These things are in the right 1/2 of the lane, > ~1.5-2' wide and ~3' long. They > were definitely more than an inch deep and looked > like they could easily stop > you in your tracks. Very nasty. I'll dig up a # & > call them in but stay alert > folks. > > keep the shiny side up! > > R > > '00 ZX-9R Voodoo > '96 VFR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 09:07:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org [138.220.29.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HD7SU07322 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org) by worldbank.org (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.1) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:47:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Race this weekend at Summit Point. To: DC Bike List X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:47:18 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 04/17/2001 08:47:20 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I will be riding up with a friend or two if the weather is nice... James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX Todd Withrow hoo.com> cc: Subject: Race this weekend at Summit Point. 04/17/2001 02:00 AM Who all is going to be there? You riding or driving? Camping or Day tripping? Anybody want to volunteer to transport my beer so I can ride?:) Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 09:17:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from host26.cedant.com (host26.cedant.com [209.239.37.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HDHrU07499 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chris (66-2-186-193.customer.algx.net [66.2.186.193]) by host26.cedant.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f3HDHgd24701 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:17:42 -0400 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: RE: Race this weekend at Summit Point. Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 03:17:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3ADC3412.76A52DF8@loudoun.com> Importance: Normal I might come up on Saturday if I don't have a lot of work to do on the YSR. I have to get the bike ready for an EARA practice day on Sunday. Anyone know a cheap local source for a chain breaker? I'd just use my dremel tool to cut the old chain off, but I lost a part to it the other day, making it useless. :^( Any special tools needed to press the new master link together? Chris Weaver EARA #24 VTR, YSR, dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: Randy and Julie Moran [mailto:jmoran@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 8:16 AM Cc: DC Bike List Subject: Re: Race this weekend at Summit Point. I'll be there cornerworking with MARRC. Saturday for sure and maybe Sunday as well. Won't be able to camp, but I'll definitely be over at the DC Cycles pit after the races to do safety/quality inspection of their various hops/barley products. I think I'm going to ride, so I can't transport your beverages. I've heard that I can't be trusted in that capacity, so it's just as well. Randy Moran Todd Withrow wrote: > Who all is going to be there? You riding or driving? > Camping or Day tripping? > > Anybody want to volunteer to transport my beer so I > can ride?:) > > Todd W. > > ===== > AIM: Inf DS > > http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 09:21:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fin-out.finnegan.com (firewall-user@XXXXXX [38.241.51.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HDL7U07579 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fin-out.finnegan.com; id JAA20952; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(192.68.20.4) by fin-out.finnegan.com via smap (V5.0) id xma020944; Tue, 17 Apr 01 09:20:57 -0400 Received: from FHFGD-Message_Server by netmail.finnegan.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:18:40 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.3 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:18:23 -0400 From: "Judy La Follette" To: , , Subject: Re: Ducati Shifting Problems/Neutral/Clutch Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f3HDMTU07580 Judy have you been riding wheelies? ;o) George Cole George, I actually have had the front wheel come off the ground one to two inches about four times. My instant was to let off the throttle as fast as I could! I have not learned that idea of getting on the throttle a little more. Maybe I need to practice on a YSR. Actually, I believe that I would need to start on a tricycle--so I would have two wheels in the back for balance/mistakes. I will leave the wheelies for you guys--or, at least until I have perfected it!!! Judy From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 09:27:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from portal.east.saic.com (portal.east.saic.com [198.151.13.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3HDR2U07677 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mclmx.saic.com by portal.east.saic.com via smtpd (for dsl027-137-007.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 17 Apr 2001 13:27:02 UT Received: from mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com by mclmx.mail.saic.com; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:10:40 -0400 Received: from mcl-its-exbh01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.11]) by mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2001041613060020968 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:06:00 -0400 Received: by mcl-its-exbh01.saic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <23HM2WJ3>; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:10:47 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: OT: Jeep Parts? Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:10:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I know tons of places to get OEM motorcycle parts, but car parts seem to be more elusive. I've found a couple sites, but limited selections. Does anyone happen to know where I can get interior electric parts for a Jeep Grand Cherokee (power window switches, keyless entry controller) without having to de-pant & bend over at the dealership? Sorry for the off-topic, but just in case... Replies (if any) should probably be just sent to me individually off list. Thanks Matt Matthew M. Pflieger, MBA, CPA Operations Controller SAIC Information Technology Solutions Group 1710 SAIC Drive MS 1-3-8 McLean, VA 22102 703-676-5013 pfliegerma@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 09:29:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11204.mail.yahoo.com (web11204.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.186]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3HDTZU07687 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010417132934.29960.qmail@web11204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11204.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 06:29:34 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 06:29:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Ducati Shifting Problems/Neutral/Clutch Question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't worry Judy, I've never done a wheelie in my life with about 12k miles and 4 years riding under my belt. In a related note, I caught a few scenes from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusades the other night. When Indy and his dad are on a bike with sidecar, the baddies were chasing them on bikes as well. Some of the stunt driving on these 1940's looking bikes was wonderful. Sliding down hills, popping wheelies with a full load, etc. I know it was Hollywood, but I was quite impressed. --- Judy La Follette > I will leave the wheelies for you guys--or, at least until I have perfected it!!! > > Judy > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 09:45:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3HDjHU07987 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010417134517.22695.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.211] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 06:45:17 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 06:45:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Ducati Shifting Problems/Neutral/Clutch Question To: Judy La Follette , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, George.Cole@XXXXXX, markkitchell@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii judy: just put along in first gear with your rpms at ~6k (4-5k on the 996, so this is an estimate), then wack it open. with a little practice this will become like second nature. oh, i recommend that you not do this in virginia. --- Judy La Follette wrote: > Judy have you been riding wheelies? ;o) > > George Cole > > > George, I actually have had the front wheel come off the > ground one to two inches about four times. My instant > was to let off the throttle as fast as I could! I have > not learned that idea of getting on the throttle a little > more. Maybe I need to practice on a YSR. Actually, I > believe that I would need to start on a tricycle--so I > would have two wheels in the back for balance/mistakes. > I will leave the wheelies for you guys--or, at least > until I have perfected it!!! ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 09:50:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3HDoJU08076 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:49:53 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:49:05 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , , Subject: Re: Ducati Shifting Problems/Neutral/Clutch Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f3HDpeU08077 Judy, I doubt those type of wheelies would have any impact on your transmission, the damage I was referring too could be caused by shifting into 2nd without using the clutch while lofting the front. Of course I have only read about this sort of hooliganism ;o). Someone did mention that stomping on the shift lever is BAD very BAD.... Cheers, George George M Cole Technology Consultant www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 1-888-240-3154 >>> "Judy La Follette" 04/17/01 09:18AM >>> Judy have you been riding wheelies? ;o) George Cole George, I actually have had the front wheel come off the ground one to two inches about four times. My instant was to let off the throttle as fast as I could! I have not learned that idea of getting on the throttle a little more. Maybe I need to practice on a YSR. Actually, I believe that I would need to start on a tricycle--so I would have two wheels in the back for balance/mistakes. I will leave the wheelies for you guys--or, at least until I have perfected it!!! Judy From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 10:00:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe14.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.118]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HE0MU08207 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 06:48:48 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [134.113.230.80] From: "Paul Hutchins" To: "Todd Withrow" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <20010417060058.91058.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Race this weekend at Summit Point. Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:49:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2001 13:48:48.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[20B77A20:01C0C745] Todd, I'll be riding up there Sunday morning (from the Rockville area). My saddlebags will fit a six pack in each, but not with a cooler. I'm not a beer drinker, but I assume warm beer isn't very good... If someone has a cooler with some space for rent, we could always put it in there when we arrive. It should be drinkable by lunchtime. I'll probably be meeting one other person (non-lister) in Rockville around 7am or so and taking the "back roads" at least to Point of Rocks. From there I'm taking 15N to 340W (etc., etc.) unless I can find more back roads on the map this week. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Withrow" To: "DC Bike List" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 2:00 AM Subject: Race this weekend at Summit Point. > Who all is going to be there? You riding or driving? > Camping or Day tripping? > > Anybody want to volunteer to transport my beer so I > can ride?:) > > > > Todd W. > > ===== > AIM: Inf DS > > http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 10:16:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HEGkU08415 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GBX002I0WZ8ZR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:16:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GBX00801WZ7JU@XXXXXX>; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:16:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.169.36]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GBX006AVWYTRS@XXXXXX>; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:16:05 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:18:06 -0400 From: Dale Subject: Re: looking for a road To: Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3ADAFF1E.7B454F@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200104162301.f3GN1LP23561@dirty.meretrix.com> <001401c0c6df$88b45460$994b2c42@c9rnf01> Todd Peer wrote: > > LOL! > > With all the enthusiasm Dale and Glenn had regalling Burkes Garden, they > failed to tell Mark where it is....heheh. Well, in this day and age, if you have a computer, and the name of a town & state, yahoo maps or anything else out there will do a better job with directions than I can. Besides, I didn't want to bore with details, I was busy doing color commentary... :) Dale From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 10:29:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HETmU08592 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQkldp22448 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:29:47 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkldp08756 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:28:16 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:28:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: RE: Race this weekend at Summit Point. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >Anyone know a cheap local source for a chain breaker? Fast Lane has them for something like $15-$20. If you want, you can swing by my place and borrow mine. I will most likely by corner-working at some point this weekend, seeing as how I crashed and wadded my FZR400 in practice last friday at Virginia International Raceway. I'm fine, the bike's not too badly tweaked, and both of us should be ready for the CCS Summit round in May. Pictures of myself and the bike can be found at http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/crashing.html -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA Novice #230, MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 10:40:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HEeXU08765 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip44.herndon35.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.106.44]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10074; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ADC55B5.8FD13336@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:39:49 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Bannon Wysocki Subject: Re: Race this weekend at Summit Point. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean, Sorry to hear about your crash at VIR. Hope you're doing OK and that the Fizzer will be back up and running soon. Although I don't think he's subscribed to the list, a lot of you know my friend Bannon Wysocki. He's done a fair number of DC-Cycles rides that I've led, been to a lot of the Bike Nights, and races with Team Pro-Motion. He crashed at VIR last weekend too. Broke his collarbone, a couple of ribs, and his thumb. He's back home and recuperating. He'll be healing up for at least 8 weeks. Oh yeah, his m/c is dinged up too! Chuck Sean Jordan wrote : > > I will most likely by corner-working at some point this weekend, > seeing as how I crashed and wadded my FZR400 in practice last friday > at Virginia International Raceway. I'm fine, the bike's not too badly > tweaked, and both of us should be ready for the CCS Summit round in > May. Pictures of myself and the bike can be found at -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 10:51:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f29.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HEpGU08951 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:51:09 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:51:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: MATTHEW.M.PFLIEGER@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: Jeep Parts? Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:51:09 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2001 14:51:09.0794 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6E25420:01C0C74D] As a fellwo jeep owner (smaller Cherokee) I'd like to know this too. The only thing I dislike about my Jeep is the quality of the dealers that sell them. >From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." >To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" >Subject: OT: Jeep Parts? >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:10:29 -0400 > >I know tons of places to get OEM motorcycle parts, but car parts seem to be >more elusive. I've found a couple sites, but limited selections. > >Does anyone happen to know where I can get interior electric parts for a >Jeep Grand Cherokee (power window switches, keyless entry controller) >without having to de-pant & bend over at the dealership? > >Sorry for the off-topic, but just in case... Replies (if any) should >probably be just sent to me individually off list. > >Thanks >Matt > > >Matthew M. Pflieger, MBA, CPA >Operations Controller >SAIC >Information Technology Solutions Group >1710 SAIC Drive >MS 1-3-8 >McLean, VA 22102 >703-676-5013 >pfliegerma@XXXXXX > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 10:59:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HExQU09059 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQkldr03509 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:59:26 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkldr26103 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:56:34 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3ADC55B5.8FD13336@ix.netcom.com> References: <3ADC55B5.8FD13336@XXXXXX> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:56:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Race this weekend at Summit Point. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >Although I don't think he's subscribed to the list, a lot of you know my >friend Bannon Wysocki. He's done a fair number of DC-Cycles rides that >I've led, been to a lot of the Bike Nights, and races with Team >Pro-Motion. He crashed at VIR last weekend too. Broke his collarbone, >a couple of ribs, and his thumb. He's back home and recuperating. >He'll be healing up for at least 8 weeks. Oh yeah, his m/c is dinged up >too! Since I couldn't race, I drove the crash truck on Saturday and Sunday and remember loading up the R6. As I recall, he crashed in turn 1.....I didn't see him, as he was in the ambulance by the time we got there, but his bike didn't look to bad. Tell him I said get well soon! -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA Novice #230, MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 11:14:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HFEtU09311 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14pXBp-0000Al-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:14:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:14:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Race this weekend at Summit Point. In-Reply-To: <20010417060058.91058.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Todd Withrow wrote: > Who all is going to be there? You riding or driving? > Camping or Day tripping? I plan on going up Saturday morning camping out and corner working on Sunday. If anyone wants to ride up with me I'll be heading out from Anita's Burger King on Rt 7 (Just west of the NOVA campus where they hold the MSF class) at 10am. This is all dependent on the weather of course but the forecast looks promising. > Anybody want to volunteer to transport my beer so I > can ride?:) Just strap em to the seat or carry em atop your gas tank. If that's not practical they do sell beer at the track. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 11:44:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fin-out.finnegan.com (firewall-user@XXXXXX [38.241.51.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HFiPU09793 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fin-out.finnegan.com; id LAA03160; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(192.68.20.4) by fin-out.finnegan.com via smap (V5.0) id xma003134; Tue, 17 Apr 01 11:43:55 -0400 Received: from FHFGD-Message_Server by netmail.finnegan.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:41:39 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.3 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:41:07 -0400 From: "Judy La Follette" To: , "Judy La Follette" Subject: SOLUTION--to Ducati Shifting Problems/Neutral/Clutch Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f3HFkIU09794 Thanks for all the replies regarding the above problems/questions. Thanks also to the Marks (Bergman and Kitchell). I think that you both were on the right track for me. Also to Gimer--I will get to you later ;) Solution: I called Moto Europa (Richmond) and explained my problem. He said to check: (1) the fluid level in the bottle above the clutch lever. He indicated if it was empty, that I had a seal leaking. He also indicated that a worn clutch uses fluid. (2) Try changing the clutch lever knob from 4 to 3. Then try changing it to 2. If it makes any difference, then it is just a small adjustment--swing by, and we will fix it. I checked it when I got home Friday, and the fluid was about halfway between the maximum and minimum level. I would have sworn it was full--see how fast things can change. Woodbridge PowerRide is only about six miles from my house I fought with myself to take it to them to get some fluid, but I wanted to try the lever in the different positions, and I wanted to ride. I thought about the new bike shop (Motorcycle Factory, Inc.--Prince William Parkway), but just in case the Ducati used a particular clutch fluid.... Soooooo, I broke down and headed for PowerRide. I put my clutch lever on 3 and headed out. I could get the bike into neutral better, but not all the time. My thought was maybe with the added fluid I would be able to get neutral all the time. It was 5:50 p.m. when I pulled into the shop. I was afraid that they may close at 6:00 p.m. and I would be too late. WRONG!!! There was a man to the right of me that was giving the manager a piece of his mind, because he was not satisfied with the service/bill he received. A lady to the left of me was yelling at anyone that worked at PowerRide. She wanted to physically see her sons bike to even make sure that it was still in the shop. I was sure that I was doomed from the beginning--from the sounds, PowerRide had not changed at all. I stood quietly and waited my turn. Then the question--what can I help you with? I just need some clutch fluid for the Duc. Do you sell it in a can that I can purchase, or could a get a little from you? The Answer--Do you want to leave it? Things must have not changed. Do I want to leave it? Are you crazy? Those questions only thought in my head. No, I would just like to get some fluid added. I was not sure if for any reason the clutch fluid would be under pressure, or if I would need to torque something (I did not think that you would ever torque plastic, but thought I would ask away). [Yes, they may have been stupid questions for some people, but I felt better after I asked--not under pressure and no torque needed.] I drove the bike back in the shop only to have the mechanic very willing to help me. I got my fluid added. I told him of the concerns I had about my clutch and the lever adjustment. He said the lever adjust should not make any difference. The bike had probably used the fluid, because the clutch was wearing. It was normal, it was not a sign that I needed a new clutch. BUT, when he attempted he try to put it in neutral (setting on 4) he could not get it in neutral at ALL. Shut the bike off, and there was neutral. He put it on 3 and it worked better. He put it on 2 and it worked. He said to just leave it on 3. Remember my small hands? I said I would much prefer it on 4 if there was any way he could tell me to fix it. He said that on the setting 4, the clutch was not fully engaging/disengaging (Kitchell, Bergman you all were right!), but there was a small adjustment he could make. He put the bike on the lift, took the clutch lever off, turned a screw on the lever, which makes the threads stand out farther (pushing the clutch in farther) while on the 4 setting. He put the clutch lever back on and it worked beautifully. He said, hey your chain is loose. So, he adjusted the chain for me. [Guess I need to check it every couple hundred miles or so--I just had it serviced 500 miles ago.] Off the lift, I drive the bike to the service window. Question: How much do I owe you? Answer: Have a nice weekend, and Happy Easter. I did not asked twice. I drove the bike outside. Thinking as I was driving down the road. I actually set foot in PowerRide, they FIXED the problem, and DID NOT CHARGE ME ANYTHING!!! Well, like the service manager (not sure of his title) said, I am sure if you have any problems, you will take it to the dealer you use. I know that you are picky who works on your bike, and I cannot blame you. I am picky about who works on my bike myself. So, my bike was fixed for FREE from PowerRide! The clutch adjuster does not really adjust the clutch; however, it can be adjusted so there is more push on the (hydraulic cylinder?) lever, engaging/disengaging the clutch better. AND GIMER, give me a little credit! Please!!! :) Your points well taken. Thanks, I did find a cheap, speedy fix. (1) I also said I had taken the bike in for its 18,000 mile service, so I have put a little time in the seat. I normally find neutral from 1st rather than 2nd, but when it would skip neutral and go to 2nd, I would try to go down to neutral. (2) I also blip my throttle on downshifts. (3) It just sounds like a vented clutch cover would allow more dirt in--maybe I do not know exactly how they work. I know that sound a whole lot louder when they are vented. (4) I will NOT stomp to get my Duc in gear again!!! (5) I might look into the aftermarket clutch slave cylinder. Moto Europa said that I did not need it at this point. (6) You were right, Moto Europa sounded like it knew the problem over the telephone. (7) See my above notes regarding the clutch lever adjusting vs. clutch adjusting. Just because I have not ridden with you YET--to prove my riding ability, it is not all THAT bad. Thanks again for your assistance though, I always appreciate your comments, especially since you have a Duc. I am sure there will be more questions to come. However, I am curious if you ever came across the names of the little tranny components that you thought I may have bent. It sounds like it is really easy to bend whatever parts you are talking about. Fill me in, if you think of them. Thanks. Thanks for all the assistance and tips from everyone else. I guess since I had a long question, I had to give a long answer. Sorry for the length! Judy >>> "Judy La Follette" 04/13/01 10:47AM >>> I have a '97 Ducati 748. I have been having problems getting the bike in neutral, either while coming to a stop (still moving) and stopped. My quick solve is to hit the kill switch, put it in neutral, restart the bike. I have a dry clutch. Background: I had these problems a few weeks ago as well. It even got so bad, that I was having problems putting the bike in a lower gear (first and second) while downshifting. I was stomping it to downshift to first, after I was stopped. A friend adjusted the lever on the clutch, and it seemed to make a world of different, even though the adjuster is designed only for adjusting the clutch lever in or out--I have a small hand, and like the lever as close in as possible. It has a setting from 1-4. The 4 being close in. I took the bike in for its 18,000 mile valve adjustment and service (at Moto Europa in Richmond). I told them of the problems of shifting, and getting the bike in neutral. They said they would check it out. When I went to pick up the bike, the mechanic said the clutch was "REALLY dirty." The ride home was GREAT--shifting was excellent, and no problems with shifting into neutral. The next couple of rides, I started noticing that I could not get the bike in neutral again. I rode it a little yesterday evening, and NEVER got the bike in neutral without cutting the motor off. I tried pulling it into neutral with my hand while the bike was still running, but could not get it into neutral. It was even hard to get it to shift into second while sitting. I have tried rocking the bike a little in case it was just stuck in a certain position. I can get it to go to second, but I still cannot easily push it to try to have it go into neutral--it will go back into first. I like to put the bike in neutral [if no cars are behind, or two or three cars have stopped behind me], so I can give my wrist a rest. I broke and totally dislocated my wrist in '94--strength in my wrist is not very good. My hand starts shaking when I have to hold the clutch for a long time--this is why neutral is important to me. Questions: 1. Is this something to do with the clutch, or could it be my transmission? 2. Can you adjust a dry clutch? 3. Am I doing something that I should be aware of by just adjusting the knob on the clutch lever? I actually have not tried the lever in a different position (1, 2 or 3) lately to see if that would make a difference. I am going to try to call Moto Europa to see if they will give me information over the telephone. I would think that I do not need a new clutch, or they would have suggested that when I had it in for the service. I would appreciate any help I can get. Not an excuse, but try to be some what basic with the replies, as I do not know that much technical terms, etc. That is why I had Moto Europa do my service--so that I can ride/trust the bike while riding alone with no mechanical problems. Gimer or Roach--any suggestions? Ever have this problem? Thank you in advance for your assistance. Sorry for the length of the message. Judy From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 11:50:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fin-out.finnegan.com (firewall-user@XXXXXX [38.241.51.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HFogU09942 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fin-out.finnegan.com; id LAA03933; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(192.68.20.4) by fin-out.finnegan.com via smap (V5.0) id xma003903; Tue, 17 Apr 01 11:50:01 -0400 Received: from FHFGD-Message_Server by netmail.finnegan.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:47:45 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.3 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:47:30 -0400 From: "Judy La Follette" To: , , , Subject: Re: Ducati Shifting Problems/Neutral/Clutch Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f3HFq3U09943 The wacking it open part is where I really have trouble!!! Yes, I am a chicken. Ok, then what do I do with it after I get the bike up????? The bringing the bike down is another problem that I think I might have trouble! But, I live in Virginia! The trip back to Virginia from Maryland would be longer, if I needed a truck to bring it back home. Judy >>> Tom Gimer 04/17/01 09:45AM >>> judy: just put along in first gear with your rpms at ~6k (4-5k on the 996, so this is an estimate), then wack it open. with a little practice this will become like second nature. oh, i recommend that you not do this in virginia. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 11:56:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fin-out.finnegan.com (firewall-user@XXXXXX [38.241.51.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HFuhU10007 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fin-out.finnegan.com; id LAA04515; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(192.68.20.4) by fin-out.finnegan.com via smap (V5.0) id xma004482; Tue, 17 Apr 01 11:55:46 -0400 Received: from FHFGD-Message_Server by netmail.finnegan.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:53:30 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.3 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:53:01 -0400 From: "Judy La Follette" To: , , Subject: Re: Ducati Shifting Problems/Neutral/Clutch Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f3HFw5U10008 Ok, ok, I am not going to stomp on the shifter anymore. I was just getting frustrated out on the road, not getting it in any gear. Lesson: If the bike is not shifting correctly, then this is my first clue that something is wrong. Pull over, stop, investigate, fix if possible. If not, check over shoulder to make sure Gimer or Cole are not around ... and then stomp it to get you home to ask the questions of how to fix it! :) Judy >>> "George Cole" 04/17/01 09:49AM >>> Judy, I doubt those type of wheelies would have any impact on your transmission, the damage I was referring too could be caused by shifting into 2nd without using the clutch while lofting the front. Of course I have only read about this sort of hooliganism ;o). Someone did mention that stomping on the shift lever is BAD very BAD.... Cheers, George George M Cole Technology Consultant www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 1-888-240-3154 >>> "Judy La Follette" 04/17/01 09:18AM >>> Judy have you been riding wheelies? ;o) George Cole George, I actually have had the front wheel come off the ground one to two inches about four times. My instant was to let off the throttle as fast as I could! I have not learned that idea of getting on the throttle a little more. Maybe I need to practice on a YSR. Actually, I believe that I would need to start on a tricycle--so I would have two wheels in the back for balance/mistakes. I will leave the wheelies for you guys--or, at least until I have perfected it!!! Judy From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 13:26:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HHQIU11602 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQkleb14146 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:26:18 GMT Received: from usashexims03.corp.us.uu.net by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.80.15]) id QQkleb29446 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:25:32 GMT Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2XK15M4G>; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:21:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Product Review Website Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:21:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" A couple of weeks ago, someone posted a URL for a Website that listed all kinds of motorcycle related products along with reviews by people who had actually purchased them (it's not motorcycle.com or motorcycle online). Would you mind repeating that Web address? It's a great site, but one that I neglected to bookmark. Thanks! Sally From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 13:30:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3HHUxU11757 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:30:32 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:29:54 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , , , Subject: Re: Ducati Shifting Problems/Neutral/Clutch Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f3HHWKU11758 I like wacking......er the throttle open for wheelies Once you get the front up just keep steady throttle or ease off a little and the front end should gently come back to the ground, its much easier on the forks. Cheers, George Cole 00 VFR George M Cole Technology Consultant www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 1-888-240-3154 >>> "Judy La Follette" 04/17/01 11:47AM >>> The wacking it open part is where I really have trouble!!! Yes, I am a chicken. Ok, then what do I do with it after I get the bike up????? The bringing the bike down is another problem that I think I might have trouble! But, I live in Virginia! The trip back to Virginia from Maryland would be longer, if I needed a truck to bring it back home. Judy >>> Tom Gimer 04/17/01 09:45AM >>> judy: just put along in first gear with your rpms at ~6k (4-5k on the 996, so this is an estimate), then wack it open. with a little practice this will become like second nature. oh, i recommend that you not do this in virginia. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 13:32:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11508.mail.yahoo.com (web11508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3HHWNU11777 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010417173221.4450.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.6] by web11508.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:32:21 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:32:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Product Review Website To: "Wood, Sally" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The person who posted was not a list regular. He is the linke though: http://www.motorcyclegearreview.com/ Glenn --- "Wood, Sally" wrote: > A couple of weeks ago, someone posted a URL for a > Website that listed all > kinds of motorcycle related products along with > reviews by people who had > actually purchased them (it's not motorcycle.com or > motorcycle online). > Would you mind repeating that Web address? It's a > great site, but one that > I neglected to bookmark. Thanks! > > Sally > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 14:27:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h002.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3HIRGU12714 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 2494 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2001 11:27:09 -0700 Date: 17 Apr 2001 11:27:09 -0700 Message-ID: <20010417182709.2493.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 17 Apr 2001 18:27:09 GMT Received: from [63.87.56.100] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 17 Apr 2001 11:27:09 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.1.5 X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Subject: my race school/first race weekend I'm definitely going to write an article about it, but figured I'd send a quick note to let everyone know that I passed the race school on Friday at VIR. Before going any further, I have to thank Roach for his patience and tons of help with everything this weekend. There was so much going on, I couldn't have done it without him. I also want to thank Steve Clark and Steve Keener for helping me with pointers, tips on how to do stuff better, and there nice waves as they flew by me on the track. ;-) I also want to thank Jennilynne Guthridge and Pit Dog Zeus, for calming my nerves...and let me tell you, the butterflies were a many!!!! Ladies and gents, this is a lot harder than it looks, but tons of fun. I walked away from my first weekend mentally and physically exhausted, but ready to get out on the track again. I had a complete and total blast. Everyone at the track is so nice and helpful, and it's great having experienced racers around who take the time to help a rookie like me out. I'll write my detailed article in the next few days. Hopefully the weather will cooperate this weekend and I'll get to try my hand at racing summit! LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 14:45:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HIjuU13015 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip9.herndon21.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.90.9]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA31167; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ADC8F36.FB43155@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:45:10 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO , DC Cycles Subject: Re: my race school/first race weekend References: <20010417182709.2493.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura, You go, girl! I can't wait for you to embarass me the next time we go riding together. Of course, I have to get myself another m/c first! %^) Chuck LAURA GRANATO wrote : > > I'm definitely going to write an article about it, but figured I'd send a quick note to let everyone know that I passed the race school on Friday at VIR. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 15:03:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HJ3GU13270 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.fe.4f947cb (1882) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:03:08 -0400 (EDT) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:03:08 EDT Subject: Re: Ticket Help Needed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 4/16/01 1:47:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, azobairi@XXXXXX writes: << >coming back from the track we were on a 55 mph stretch coming around a >blind >corner with my buddy in the right lane and me in the left lane. well what >do >we see?? a cop car sitting on the shoulder off the road, with radar >pointing >through the back and the Officer looking at us through his rear-view >mirror. > >we had not even crossed him before he had his lights on and was starting to >merge into the road. dutifully we both pull over and the cop walks up to >us. >> I got nicked last year with this EXACT same scenario and probably the exact same spot. They LOVE to sit at blind turns on Rt7 when they know Summit is having track days. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 15:19:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HJJ6U13518 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-180-10.s10.tnt3.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.180.10] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14pb0D-0005xr-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:19:05 -0400 Message-ID: <048b01c0c70e$c5b95160$0ab4accf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <20010417182709.2493.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: my race school/first race weekend Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 03:19:41 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Don't you mean "Roachie"..... :) Congrats Laura, look forward to seeing you at Summit this weekend. Danny '98 VTR '00 SV (For Sale) '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: LAURA GRANATO To: Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 2:27 PM Subject: my race school/first race weekend > I'm definitely going to write an article about it, but figured I'd send a quick note to let everyone know that I passed the race school on Friday at VIR. > > Before going any further, I have to thank Roach for his patience and tons of help with everything this weekend. There was so much going on, I couldn't have done it without him. I also want to thank Steve Clark and Steve Keener for helping me with pointers, tips on how to do stuff better, and there nice waves as they flew by me on the track. ;-) > > I also want to thank Jennilynne Guthridge and Pit Dog Zeus, for calming my nerves...and let me tell you, the butterflies were a many!!!! > > Ladies and gents, this is a lot harder than it looks, but tons of fun. I walked away from my first weekend mentally and physically exhausted, but ready to get out on the track again. I had a complete and total blast. Everyone at the track is so nice and helpful, and it's great having experienced racers around who take the time to help a rookie like me out. I'll write my detailed article in the next few days. Hopefully the weather will cooperate this weekend and I'll get to try my hand at racing summit! > > LAG > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 15:34:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HJYeU13805 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip20.herndon38.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.100.20]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07627 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ADC9AA9.E9A99B59@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:34:01 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: my race school/first race weekend References: <20010417182709.2493.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <048b01c0c70e$c5b95160$0ab4accf@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, I think it's THE Roachie. %^) Danny Thompson wrote: > > Don't you mean "Roachie"..... :) Congrats Laura, look forward to seeing you > at Summit this weekend. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 15:58:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3HJwHU14214 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:57:51 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:56:57 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: my race school/first race weekend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f3HJwUU14215 Oh No, they let Girls race? What's this World coming too? ZIP....Flame suit donned. George Cole >>> LAURA GRANATO Wrote SNIP [ but figured I'd send a quick note to let everyone know that I passed the race school on Friday at VIR] From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 16:01:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com [207.46.181.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HK1hU14297 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavilion ([63.10.40.7]) by cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:01:36 -0700 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: RE: fuel efficient motorcycle Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:05:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010416163059.5862.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2001 20:01:37.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[35CEA800:01C0C779] Why do they need more attention? Arent scooters and 100cc motorbikes pretty maintenance free? My ke100 is 100cc and is pretty reliable as far as the motor and the maintenance goes. I would love to own a bigger bike that i can work on myself, simple as the ke100. The mpg on the ke100 is about 70mpg. I would like to get a big bike that can do that. A bmw1150gs gets pretty good gas milage, i believe something like 50mpg which is really good for a 1150. My tiger gets a 40-45 mpg. If i could squeeze 70 our of my tiger that would be perfect :) Ricardo Pontes 1998 Triumph Tiger Buy what you want, ride carefully. My Ninja 250 gets between 38 and 75 mpg, depending how it's ridden. The ZX6 gets between 26 and 55. My mopeds get better than 100 mpg, but that's not a very good reason for getting one. Little bikes need more care and attention than big ones, that care and attention costs more than fuel. Fuel mileage on a motorcycle is not and should not be the primary concern. It doesn't make economic sense. Leon Begeman http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 16:20:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com [207.46.181.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HKKgU14611 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavilion ([63.10.40.7]) by cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:20:35 -0700 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: Dual Sport Trails Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:24:07 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2001 20:20:36.0139 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC8B37B0:01C0C77B] Anyone on this list know of Dual Sport motorbike trails around the Washington D.C. Area? I was reading American MOtorcyclist and they mentioned West Virginia as one of the best places to ride a motorcycle, they also showed a dual sport trail there. But it is a bit far, and i would like to know if any dual sport owners know any where i could take my 1998 triumph tiger for a bit off road, nothign too serious. Ricardo Pontes From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 16:22:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3HKMDU14630 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14191 invoked by uid 1001); 17 Apr 2001 20:22:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20010417202211.14190.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:22:11 -0500 Subject: FS: Aerostich backpad My suit came with the L size pad which doesn't fit a size 44. So if anyone here wants a brand-spankin' new back pad for a suit bigger than a 44, then make me an offer and it's yours. -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 16:31:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from portal.east.saic.com (portal.east.saic.com [198.151.13.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3HKVUU14789 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mclmx.saic.com by portal.east.saic.com via smtpd (for dsl027-137-007.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 17 Apr 2001 20:31:30 UT Received: from mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com by mclmx.mail.saic.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:31:12 -0400 Received: from mcl-its-exbh01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.11]) by mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2001041716263310308 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:26:33 -0400 Received: by mcl-its-exbh01.saic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <23HMJMZP>; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:31:20 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'Ricardo Pontes'" , Dccycles Subject: RE: Dual Sport Trails Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:31:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On yahoo there's a "Group" (not a "Club", although I don't know the difference) called DC Offroad. Try them. -----Original Message----- From: Ricardo Pontes [mailto:ricardopontes@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 4:24 PM To: Dccycles Subject: Dual Sport Trails Anyone on this list know of Dual Sport motorbike trails around the Washington D.C. Area? I was reading American MOtorcyclist and they mentioned West Virginia as one of the best places to ride a motorcycle, they also showed a dual sport trail there. But it is a bit far, and i would like to know if any dual sport owners know any where i could take my 1998 triumph tiger for a bit off road, nothign too serious. Ricardo Pontes From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 16:39:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3HKdhU14868 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010417203942.11469.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.208] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:39:42 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:39:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Dual Sport Trails To: Ricardo Pontes , Dccycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the northern va. trail riders club maintains trails in the george washington national forest (from just south of front royal all the way to new market and beyond, i believe).... there are interesting roads to get there, and interesting trails to enjoy when you arrive. i highly recommend you contact that organization for details.... --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > > Anyone on this list know of Dual Sport motorbike trails > around the > Washington D.C. Area? I was reading American MOtorcyclist > and they mentioned > West Virginia as one of the best places to ride a > motorcycle, they also > showed a dual sport trail there. But it is a bit far, and > i would like to > know if any dual sport owners know any where i could take > my 1998 triumph > tiger for a bit off road, nothign too serious. ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 16:43:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (59-90-112-64-user.darwin.net [64.112.90.59] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HKhhU14947 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.121] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id AAD62B62004E; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:43:02 -0400 From: "Ahalan" To: "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: Re: Race this weekend at Summit Point Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:42:25 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c0c798$0ecf58c0$3e00000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal I'm planning to be there from Saturday morning/noon, and camp out till' the end of the races on Sunday. I'll be riding down there so I can't help you carry. Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Todd Withrow [mailto:mtwithrow@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:01 PM To: DC Bike List Subject: Race this weekend at Summit Point. Who all is going to be there? You riding or driving? Camping or Day tripping? Anybody want to volunteer to transport my beer so I can ride?:) Todd W. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 16:52:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f211.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.211]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HKq4U15108 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:40:28 -0700 Received: from 207.192.134.198 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:40:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.192.134.198] From: "Aaron Ward" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: GPS system for Palm III Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:40:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2001 20:40:28.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[A388C470:01C0C77E] Hey all, I saw the Rand-McNally GPS system for Palm III type palmpilots at the Rand-McNally store in Tyson's Corner mall. They were discounted to $59.00 just like the website. If you want to go look at it, and just buy it without waiting for shipping, they had like 4 or so in stock. So if you have one of the Palm III types, and wanted to order one but don't like to order something you never saw, go check this out. I haven't looked at the thing too much, but I am considering buying one since I'm new to the area. However, I don't want to get it if I can't have it record my whole trip and do all that neat kind of stuff that I have heard the stand-alone ones do. If anyone has this GPS system for the Palm pilot, could you email me some feedback for/against? I want to be able to have the unit track my progress while I'm riding and do things like record my trip the whole way, give me my speed etc. I can't tell if this simplified GPS system will do this or if it just shows the YOU ARE HERE dot on a stored map without keeping track of anything else. Also, do I have to keep my palmpilot turned on while riding around or do I just keep the GPS system turned on then hook it up to the Palm to download the info (it has its own batteries). Thanks, Aaron S. Ward 1997 CBR900RR 1987 CBR600F1 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 16:59:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (59-90-112-64-user.darwin.net [64.112.90.59] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HKxdU15203 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.121] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id AE93C120180; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:58:59 -0400 From: "Ahalan" To: "'Ricardo Pontes'" , "'Dccycles'" Subject: RE: Dual Sport Trails Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:58:21 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c0c79a$48dfee60$3e00000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Check out http://www.nvtr.org/ The Northern Virginia Trail Riders (NVTR) is a really nice, small organization. Most of the people there ride Enduro, but they welcome dual-sporters. I rode with them a couple of times when I had my Suzuki DR650 (it was the heaviest bike there I believe). They also organize the Shenandoah 500 annual dual-sport ride (offical AMA ride) which is great. Great bunch of people to boot. Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Ricardo Pontes [mailto:ricardopontes@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 1:24 PM To: Dccycles Subject: Dual Sport Trails Anyone on this list know of Dual Sport motorbike trails around the Washington D.C. Area? I was reading American MOtorcyclist and they mentioned West Virginia as one of the best places to ride a motorcycle, they also showed a dual sport trail there. But it is a bit far, and i would like to know if any dual sport owners know any where i could take my 1998 triumph tiger for a bit off road, nothign too serious. Ricardo Pontes From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 17:02:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f146.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.146]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HL2HU15297 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:02:10 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:02:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: swood@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Product Review Website Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:02:09 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2001 21:02:10.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB917880:01C0C781] http://www.motorcyclegearreview.com/ >From: "Wood, Sally" >To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" >Subject: Product Review Website >Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:21:39 -0400 > >A couple of weeks ago, someone posted a URL for a Website that listed all >kinds of motorcycle related products along with reviews by people who had >actually purchased them (it's not motorcycle.com or motorcycle online). >Would you mind repeating that Web address? It's a great site, but one that >I neglected to bookmark. Thanks! > >Sally > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 17:02:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (59-90-112-64-user.darwin.net [64.112.90.59] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HL2dU15307 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.121] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id AF551E70184; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:02:13 -0400 From: "Ahalan" To: "'Hugh Caldwell'" , Subject: RE: Race this weekend at Summit Point. Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:01:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c0c79a$bcee51c0$3e00000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal I might join you, though I was thinking of leaving earlier. We'll see. Are you planning to take back-roads or highways ? I'm hoping to leave a bit earlier than you suggest and take the back roads at an easy pace. Since no one has yet volunteered to take my stuff I'll be loaded with tent, sleeping bag, etc. Been there... On another note- suggestions for a nice route to Summit ? Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Caldwell [mailto:twg@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 8:15 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Race this weekend at Summit Point. On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Todd Withrow wrote: > Who all is going to be there? You riding or driving? > Camping or Day tripping? I plan on going up Saturday morning camping out and corner working on Sunday. If anyone wants to ride up with me I'll be heading out from Anita's Burger King on Rt 7 (Just west of the NOVA campus where they hold the MSF class) at 10am. This is all dependent on the weather of course but the forecast looks promising. > Anybody want to volunteer to transport my beer so I > can ride?:) Just strap em to the seat or carry em atop your gas tank. If that's not practical they do sell beer at the track. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 17:04:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3HL4YU15317 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9338 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2001 21:04:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20010417210433.9337.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:04:33 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:04:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: fuel efficient motorcycle To: Ricardo Pontes , Dccycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wrote: > Little bikes need more care and attention than big > ones, that care and attention costs more than fuel. > Fuel mileage on a motorcycle is not and should not > be > the primary concern. It doesn't make economic > sense. > --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > Why do they need more attention? Arent scooters and > 100cc motorbikes pretty > maintenance free? My ke100 is 100cc and is pretty > reliable as far as the > motor and the maintenance goes. I'll be happy to test the theory with you. I'm building a Ninja 250 out of a couple of parts bikes that are lying around. On the 19th of May, I'm going to ride it to Deal's Gap and back. You're welcome to come along with your KE100. Since mine will be a new bike I'll be taking it easy, 70 mph or so sounds good. We'll see which bike handles the 1000 mile day with the fewest problems. Essentially, the answer is no, little bikes are horrible when it comes to maintenance. They always need something. The chain doesn't last as long, they use oil, all of the components are lighter and need to be replaced sooner. A moped is sufficient for riding 20 miles or so per day. My 250 is enough for trips that don't go longer than a couple of days. For my trip to Alaska this summer, I'm taking a 600. The guys I'm riding with aren't willing to do as much maintenance as I am, they bought new BMW R1150GSs. Leon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 17:04:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (59-90-112-64-user.darwin.net [64.112.90.59] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HL4dU15327 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.121] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id AFCDD820186; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:04:13 -0400 From: "Ahalan" To: "'Christopher Weaver'" , Subject: RE: Race this weekend at Summit Point. Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:03:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c0c79b$04565940$3e00000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Chris, The recently changed the chain on the F650 - didn't take that long with a hack-saw. Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Weaver [mailto:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 12:17 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Race this weekend at Summit Point. I might come up on Saturday if I don't have a lot of work to do on the YSR. I have to get the bike ready for an EARA practice day on Sunday. Anyone know a cheap local source for a chain breaker? I'd just use my dremel tool to cut the old chain off, but I lost a part to it the other day, making it useless. :^( Any special tools needed to press the new master link together? Chris Weaver EARA #24 VTR, YSR, dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: Randy and Julie Moran [mailto:jmoran@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 8:16 AM Cc: DC Bike List Subject: Re: Race this weekend at Summit Point. I'll be there cornerworking with MARRC. Saturday for sure and maybe Sunday as well. Won't be able to camp, but I'll definitely be over at the DC Cycles pit after the races to do safety/quality inspection of their various hops/barley products. I think I'm going to ride, so I can't transport your beverages. I've heard that I can't be trusted in that capacity, so it's just as well. Randy Moran Todd Withrow wrote: > Who all is going to be there? You riding or driving? > Camping or Day tripping? > > Anybody want to volunteer to transport my beer so I > can ride?:) > > Todd W. > > ===== > AIM: Inf DS > > http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 17:09:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3HL9vU15424 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-168-209-35.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.168.209.35) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2001 21:09:54 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Lin_Tan" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Recommendation Neede: Women's Leather pants Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:10:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010417182337.75691.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Vanson fully perfed (they make non-perfed as well) and I got them from (shock, horror), Battleys. LindaT. Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner Mark Kitchell asked: Can any of you ladies recommend a good pair of leather pants for a female passenger? I feel guilty riding with armored leather Z Customs while my passenger has jeans on....... Thanks, and where did you get them? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 17:12:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail8.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe8.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.55]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HLCCU15501 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [66.61.42.108] ([66.61.42.108]) by mail8.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:08:56 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:14:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Product Review Website From: David Cross To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010417173221.4450.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > The person who posted was not a list regular. He is > the linke though: > > http://www.motorcyclegearreview.com/ Well, Im kinda a list regular, although I havent posted much in a while I read it daily. I've been to a few bike nights and group rides. The site has about 700 products in its database so far. Lots of reviews being written every day. Obviously the more reviews written the more usefull the sight becomes. So since I am sure most of you guys and gals own some gear, why dont you go write some reviews? :-) David Cross Motorcycle Gear Review www.motorcyclegearreview.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 17:30:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HLUOU15842 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14pd3C-0003vt-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:30:19 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:30:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Race this weekend at Summit Point. In-Reply-To: <000401c0c79a$bcee51c0$3e00000a@darwin.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Ahalan wrote: > I might join you, though I was thinking of leaving earlier. We'll see. > > Are you planning to take back-roads or highways ? > I planning on takin 7 to 9 then turning left in West Virginia. Other then 7 this all two lane roads. If we leave at 10am we should get there by 11:30. The races are in the afternoon so we should catch all the races you would just miss out on some of the practice sessions. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 17:40:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HLe6U15954 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj133739a ([24.15.184.123]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010417213958.ZSLS12893.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj133739a> for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:39:58 -0700 Message-ID: <036e01c0c786$a2876060$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> From: "Keith Lamond" To: References: Subject: Re: Race this weekend at Summit Point. Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:37:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I'm taking the cornerworking class on Saturday and was planning on either cornerworking on Sunday or watching the races. What's the deal with accomodations near Summit Point? Is everybody camping out or day tripping. I'm not opposed to camping, but I am currently tentless at the moment. Keith 84 Nighthawk S 84 Magna V30 (The wife's) Reston VA ----------------------------------------------------------- Check out my Band's website: http://www.chaotika.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 18:00:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h017.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.181]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3HM0eU16342 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 13965 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2001 15:00:33 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.181) with SMTP; 17 Apr 2001 15:00:33 -0700 X-Sent: 17 Apr 2001 22:00:33 GMT Message-ID: <043c01c0c789$cd7c5b60$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "George Cole" , References: Subject: Re: my race school/first race weekend Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:00:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 >>Oh No, they let Girls race? >>What's this World coming too? It's actually getting smarter, that's what's happening. ;-) LAG From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 18:01:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3HM1pU16352 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 10141 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2001 15:01:45 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 17 Apr 2001 15:01:45 -0700 X-Sent: 17 Apr 2001 22:01:45 GMT Message-ID: <046401c0c789$f80380c0$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Keith Lamond" , References: <036e01c0c786$a2876060$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> Subject: Re: Race this weekend at Summit Point. Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:01:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > I'm taking the cornerworking class on Saturday and was planning on either > cornerworking on Sunday or watching the races. > > What's the deal with accomodations near Summit Point? Is everybody camping > out or day tripping. I'm not opposed to camping, but I am currently > tentless at the moment. > Brian and I will be there camping from Friday night to Sunday. Make sure everyone comes by to see us at the DC Cycles pit. :-) LAG From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 18:35:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f246.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HMZfU16869 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:24:09 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:24:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rough Road indeed Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:24:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2001 22:24:09.0614 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F51BAE0:01C0C78D] Lovely. That's just what that road needs. Hasn't it been paved just about every year for the past 3 or 4, while Shady Grove Road b/t Muncaster Mill and 355 rots to hell?! (sorry, had to vent) Rob '98 VFR800 >From: Matthew Rosenstock >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Rough Road indeed >Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 05:25:08 -0700 (PDT) > >Also, there is a nasty grooved section on Great Seneca >Highway eastbound below Quince Orchard Road heading >toward Muddy Branch. That's been there a little while >too. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 19:32:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3HNWGU17746 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boink.hartzler.net (adsl-141-156-134-10.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [141.156.134.10]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id SAA147273448 Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:28:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (IDENT:ph@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by boink.hartzler.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10745; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:32:06 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:32:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: Suzookus Maximus cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ticket Help Needed In-Reply-To: <20010417031725.81400.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yeah, I agree, on roads that have speed limits, the fine should be tied to the excess momentum of the offending vehicle (mass x (velocity - speedlimit)) -- I think that's a fair indicator of damage potential... Lighter vehicles cause less damage to what they hit. Excess kinetic engergy would be another possibly fair measure -- (mass x (velocity ^ 2)) - (mass x (speedlimit ^ 2)) Of course no limited access highway with more than two lanes in each direction should have a speed limit, and it should be illegal to allow anyone to pass you on the right... Ah well, we can dream, eh? -ph On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Suzookus Maximus wrote: > The VA traffic laws are antiquated; 75 mph in a 55 mph > zone never seems reckless to me! It seems reckless to > go slower cause you don't you will get run over by a > Honda Civic! > > Shouldn't it be relative? To me 45 in a 25 is MUCH > more reckless than 75 on the highway. Seems like you'd > have to be going like 80-85 in a 55 and close to 100 > in a 65 zone to be considered reckless (e.g. something > like speedlimit*150%=reckless). [snip] > -jeff > > ===== > ->bike: '00 GSX-R750 > ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX > ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus > From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 20:44:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10506.mail.yahoo.com (web10506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3I0iCU18856 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010418004408.29770.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.147.78.216] by web10506.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:44:08 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:44:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzookus Maximus Subject: Re: Race this weekend at Summit Point. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Todd Withrow wrote: > Who all is going to be there? You riding or driving? > Camping or Day tripping? I'm riding up Sunday. Saturday as well if I can sneak out of friend's wedding early! :0 -jeff ===== ->bike: '00 GSX-R750 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 20:55:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3I0tNU19017 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO ([38.38.169.180]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f3I0tAv04632 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001401c0c7a2$1f125b60$b4a92626@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Mule for 'Operation Summit' Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:54:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, I'm attending the races this weekend, first thing Saturday morning the corner working school, the rest of the weekend, work as much as they'll have me. And, seeing as I am bike-less at the moment, I'll be driving my 1/2-ton Ford. If anyone wants me to take stuff up to Summit for them, just meet me before hand. I plan on leaving Ho. Co. Saturday at about 7, getting up to the track about 8 or 8:30. But seeing as how I'm fighting off a cold, I'll probably not be able to camp out Saturday night, so come and get it before I take off Saturday night. E-mail me at HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX and maybe we can meet. See you this weekend. Howard J. Koontz 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project 1994 Ford F-150 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 21:02:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3I12AU19167 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3I124t08720 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:02:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: Dccycles Subject: Re: Dual Sport Trails In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Ricardo Pontes wrote: >Anyone on this list know of Dual Sport motorbike trails around the >Washington D.C. Area? I was reading American MOtorcyclist and they >mentioned West Virginia as one of the best places to ride a motorcycle, >they also showed a dual sport trail there. But it is a bit far, and i >would like to know if any dual sport owners know any where i could take >my 1998 triumph tiger for a bit off road, nothign too serious. I'd suggest that you try to find dirt roads (Leon?) rather than actual trails. A 500 lb bike isn't really a dual sport. Northern VA has lots of dirt roads. Forest service roads can get to be fairly narrow and sort of trail like (although passable even by monstrosities like ST1100s). When you're talking about riding trails in the mountains (even ones used for "dual sport" events) you're talking rocks and lots of them. Do you want to take your pretty bike in this: http://omega.nova.org/~kirk/pics/kirk_gw.jpg That's an easier bit of trail at the GW Forest. While you can ignore all those rocks on a real dirt bike your Tiger will complain endlessly. If these words don't convince you I'll take some pics of my skidplate for you to pore over (think "Texas Chainsaw Massacre"). Here's a 'before' pic of the skidplate on my bike: http://omega.nova.org/~kirk/klx/mooseskid.jpg Also, check the dcoffroad e-mail list out (see .sig). There are probably folks on there who know of places that an adventure touring bike could be taken to locally. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcoffroad/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 22:35:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9604.mail.yahoo.com (web9604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3I2ZbU20546 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010418023536.76118.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.140.103.81] by web9604.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:35:36 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:35:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: Race this weekend at Summit Point. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tood Withrow wrote: > Anybody want to volunteer to transport my beer so I > can ride?:) How about just throwing a couple 40s in a backpack and taking off? That would be my plan. Adam Reinhardt 89 CBR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 17 23:17:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10503.mail.yahoo.com (web10503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.153]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3I3H9U21199 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010418031708.45224.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.84.215] by web10503.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:17:08 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:17:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Race this weekend at Summit Point. To: Adam Reinhardt , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010418023536.76118.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would like to keep them cold. Cold beer is always better. Warm beer is better than no beer, but cold is best. I think what I'll do is drop my gear there then run out to get beer. I have collapsible cooler, so I'll take that and fill it when I get there. Todd W. --- Adam Reinhardt wrote: > Tood Withrow wrote: > > > Anybody want to volunteer to transport my beer so > I > > can ride?:) > > > > How about just throwing a couple 40s in a backpack > and taking off? That would be my plan. > > > Adam Reinhardt > > 89 CBR > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 01:54:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3I5sfU23550 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-237.s237.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.237]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14pkvI-0002Z4-00 ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:54:40 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Cc: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: Damn it! Nice people! Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 02:00:40 -0700 Message-ID: References: <200104161417.AA522781330@mail.toward.com> In-Reply-To: <200104161417.AA522781330@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f3I5snU23551 On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:17:24 -0400, you wrote: |>Damn it! Nice people! |>---------------------- |> |>Couldn't believe it. Saw a nice person last Friday. Three in a row, even! |> |>I hate turning left onto multi-lane highways and having someone wave me across. Too many times it's someone in the near lane, and they're trying to help me out, but there's too many blind spots. So I wave them by and hold up my hand in thanks. |> |>So Friday I was trying to pull out of the Holiday Inn parking lot at Ballston, VA, and turn left to get onto I-66 westbound. Wackos flying in from the left after coming off the interstate. Wackos racing up from the right in a drag race to the on-ramp. Not a pleasant place for a bike! |> |>So as the traffic moved out with a green light, the first car waved me across. I waved him by, and thanked him. |> |>Then the second car waved me across and I waved him by and thanked him. After receiving another shoulder-shrug, and getting a little embarassed, I studiously looked to the right to show I wasn't ready to pull out. |> |>Then I looked to the left and the driver of a large pickup (with a blind spot the size of an SUV!) was waving me across. I waved him by, too, and thanked him. |> |>Finally the traffic cleared and I pulled out, with a clear view both ways that there was no hidden hazards, no high-speed wackos approaching. |> |>Whew, made it. Damn it! Nice people! |> |>Chris Norloff hehe I know what you mean. I'll put the bike in neutral take my hands off the bars and slouch to let on coming cars know i'm not ready to pull off... not to mention look around and look disinterested in traffic around. that is a pretty good tip. Danny From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 02:13:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3I6D7U24599 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 02:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-237.s237.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.237]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14plD8-0003uJ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 02:13:07 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Race this weekend at Summit Point. Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 02:19:06 -0700 Message-ID: References: <20010417060058.91058.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010417060058.91058.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f3I6D8U24600 I believe I'll be getting a ride up there. I'll be up there with the DCSR guys who are taking it to the track, so look for me to stop through. We should do some kind of name tag thing... Danny 00 zx6r 95 zx6r 92 ex250 96 gsxr 750 (coming soon) On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:00:58 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>Who all is going to be there? You riding or driving? |>Camping or Day tripping? |> |>Anybody want to volunteer to transport my beer so I |>can ride?:) |> |> |> |>Todd W. |> |>===== |>AIM: Inf DS |> |>http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow |> |>----------------------------------------------------------- |>Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. |> |>__________________________________________________ |>Do You Yahoo!? |>Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices |>http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 06:28:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3IASvU28604 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3IAStt19708 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:28:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Damn it! Nice people! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:17:24 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >I hate turning left onto multi-lane highways and having someone wave me >across. Too many times it's someone in the near lane, and they're >trying to help me out, but there's too many blind spots. So I wave them >by and hold up my hand in thanks. Yep, my only on street bike crash was when I accepted such help from 2 out of 3 lanes on Rockville Pike and then poked across to look into the third one. I barely had my front wheel into that third lane (no more than 8" or so) when someone hugging the line came through. The car caught my front wheel and sent me flying up into the air (not sure how the flying up into the air part happened but I did a bit of a somersault...). Fortunately I landed on something tough (my head) and my inner ear problems (I am genetically predisposed to vertigo) went more or less back to normal after 3 months or so, at which point I was able to start riding the bike again. That was the first and last time I accepted such "help". Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcoffroad/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 06:57:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9707.mail.yahoo.com (web9707.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3IAv4U29060 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010418105703.58297.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.45] by web9707.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 03:57:03 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 03:57:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: Loudoun Lawyer Needed To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If I was smart enough to open the unix archive files, I wouldn't bother the list with this question. I know it was recently discussed here. A friend of mine needs a Loudoun County speeding-ticket-fighting lawyer. Can anyone recommend one? Thanks, Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 07:33:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from portal.east.saic.com (portal.east.saic.com [198.151.13.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3IBXUU29583 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mclmx.saic.com by portal.east.saic.com via smtpd (for dsl027-137-007.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 18 Apr 2001 11:33:30 UT Received: from mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com by mclmx.mail.saic.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:33:24 -0400 Received: from mcl-its-exbh01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.11]) by mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2001041807284505874 ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:28:45 -0400 Received: by mcl-its-exbh01.saic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <23HMJQR9>; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:33:33 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'Laura Granato'" , Keith Lamond , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Race this weekend at Summit Point. Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:33:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Us? You & "Roachie"? Pass, thanks. ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Laura Granato [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 6:02 PM To: Keith Lamond; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Race this weekend at Summit Point. > I'm taking the cornerworking class on Saturday and was planning on either > cornerworking on Sunday or watching the races. > > What's the deal with accomodations near Summit Point? Is everybody camping > out or day tripping. I'm not opposed to camping, but I am currently > tentless at the moment. > Brian and I will be there camping from Friday night to Sunday. Make sure everyone comes by to see us at the DC Cycles pit. :-) LAG From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 09:51:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3IDpqU01839 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010418135151.18289.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.191] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:51:51 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:51:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Recommendation Neede: Women's Leather pants To: Lin_Tan , DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii actually, linda, from what i've seen, nobody discounts vanson leathers....nobody. and battley's has an excellent selection of 'em too, so you're on the ball.... i'm considering buying my wife-to-be dainese or vanson leathers.... been looking online at sites like www.motagear.com, but will probably order direct from vanson if i go that route--i want an avenger without the vanson patch on the sleeve and they no longer come like that to the local stores... --- Lin_Tan wrote: > Vanson fully perfed (they make non-perfed as well) and I > got them from (shock, horror), Battleys. > > Mark Kitchell asked: > > Can any of you ladies recommend a good pair of leather > pants for a female passenger? I feel guilty riding > with armored leather Z Customs while my passenger has > jeans on....... > > Thanks, and where did you get them? ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 09:57:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3IDvhU01938 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010418135742.18756.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.191] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:57:42 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:57:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Loudoun Lawyer Needed To: Scratch , DCC In-Reply-To: <20010418105703.58297.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Carleton Penn, III 703 591-4900 --- Scratch wrote: > If I was smart enough to open the unix archive files, > I wouldn't bother the list with this question. I know > it was recently discussed here. > > A friend of mine needs a Loudoun County > speeding-ticket-fighting lawyer. Can anyone recommend > one? ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 10:30:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3IEUYU02485 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-168-209-35.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.168.209.35) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2001 14:30:32 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Lin_Tan" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Recommendation Neede: Women's Leather pants Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:30:40 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010418135151.18289.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I got a discount because I bought during their open house when the Vanson rep was there. I won't sneeze at a measly 10%. I got the impression talking to the rep, that I could special order. They didn't have any pants there for me to try on, so they ordered two different sizes. When they came in, I tried them on and paid for the one that fit. Good service on accessories. Be on the lookout... LindaT. Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner Tom Gimer said: actually, linda, from what i've seen, nobody discounts vanson leathers....nobody. and battley's has an excellent selection of 'em too, so you're on the ball.... i'm considering buying my wife-to-be dainese or vanson leathers.... been looking online at sites like www.motagear.com, but will probably order direct from vanson if i go that route--i want an avenger without the vanson patch on the sleeve and they no longer come like that to the local stores... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 10:47:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lmimailg.lmi.org ([198.3.128.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3IElVU02753 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lmimailg.lmi.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2VSVH8N3>; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:47:28 -0400 Message-ID: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DD4E7B84@lmimaila.lmi.org> From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Recommend Route to Summit Point WV Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:47:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0C816.7A4630F0" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0C816.7A4630F0 Content-Type: text/plain Im planning on leaving from Germantown MD on Sunday sometime mid-morning, can anyone recommend a good scenic route? Brian 99VFR 81CB750F ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0C816.7A4630F0 Content-Type: text/html Message
Im planning on leaving from Germantown MD on Sunday sometime mid-morning, can anyone recommend a good scenic route?
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0C816.7A4630F0-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 11:00:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3IF0CU02995 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip50.herndon35.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.106.50]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA31641; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ADDABCC.65ECE2D4@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:59:24 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ROBERSON, Brian" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Recommend Route to Summit Point WV References: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DD4E7B84@lmimaila.lmi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you riding to Summit Point this weekend, there's a ride route published on the DC-Cycles website. It starts from the Sheetz in Haymarket, but you could hook up with the route from other points in VA or by coming across the river on 15 from MD. Chuck > "ROBERSON, Brian" wrote: > > Im planning on leaving from Germantown MD on Sunday sometime > mid-morning, can anyone recommend a good scenic route? -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 11:18:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (59-90-112-64-user.darwin.net [64.112.90.59] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3IFICU03274 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.121] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id A01A4BCD006C; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:17:46 -0400 From: "Ahalan" To: Subject: RE: Recommend Route to Summit Point WV Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:17:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c0c833$c9311be0$3e00000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3ADDABCC.65ECE2D4@ix.netcom.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 As usual - Kudos to Chuck for putting that together ! Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 7:59 AM To: ROBERSON, Brian; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Recommend Route to Summit Point WV For those of you riding to Summit Point this weekend, there's a ride route published on the DC-Cycles website. It starts from the Sheetz in Haymarket, but you could hook up with the route from other points in VA or by coming across the river on 15 from MD. Chuck > "ROBERSON, Brian" wrote: > > Im planning on leaving from Germantown MD on Sunday sometime > mid-morning, can anyone recommend a good scenic route? -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 11:31:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3IFVbU03535 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip50.herndon35.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.106.50]) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26202 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ADDB32F.346FD41B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:30:55 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Recommend Route to Summit Point WV References: <000401c0c833$c9311be0$3e00000a@darwin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanx Niv! For those of you coming from MD, I might suggest combining roads from the first part of "Twice Across the River" with "Summit Point Ride". When you make the right onto Lovettsville Rd. (672) after crossing the river from MD into VA you can just follow the rest of "Summit Point Ride" route from where it turns left onto the same road. Ahalan wrote: > > As usual - Kudos to Chuck for putting that together ! -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 11:34:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from host26.cedant.com (host26.cedant.com [209.239.37.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3IFYFU03565 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from therock (pool180-203.patriot.net [209.249.180.203]) by host26.cedant.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f3IFYBH10928 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:34:11 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c0c81c$b9864d80$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20010418105703.58297.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Loudoun Lawyer Needed Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:32:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Just go to www.dccycles.com, click on archive search and type in a query. It'll do the work for you. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR, dccycles.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Scratch To: DCC Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 6:57 AM Subject: Loudoun Lawyer Needed > If I was smart enough to open the unix archive files, > I wouldn't bother the list with this question. I know > it was recently discussed here. > > A friend of mine needs a Loudoun County > speeding-ticket-fighting lawyer. Can anyone recommend > one? > > Thanks, > > Rich > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 11:41:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3IFfrU03647 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3IFfjP15110 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:41:46 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010418112848.02403d80@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:29:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Loudoun Lawyer Needed In-Reply-To: <001601c0c81c$b9864d80$0100a8c0@therock> References: <20010418105703.58297.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Maybe. I haven't automated the archive updates yet, so I still have to split the old files manually and run a db update. I haven't done that for a few months..... At 11:32 AM 4/18/01, you wrote: >Just go to www.dccycles.com, click on archive search and type in a query. >It'll do the work for you. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "We're Americans and we have a rendezvous with destiny.... No people who have ever lived on this earth have fought harder, paid a higher price for freedom, or done more to advance the dignity of man than Americans." --Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 11:55:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3IFtZU03875 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14puIj-00020g-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:55:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:55:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my race school/first race weekend In-Reply-To: <043c01c0c789$cd7c5b60$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Laura Granato wrote: > > > >>Oh No, they let Girls race? > > >>What's this World coming too? > > It's actually getting smarter, that's what's happening. ;-) > Now THAT'S funny! Next thing you know you'll want to vote also. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 12:01:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3IG1kU04035 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14puMZ-0000F9-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:59:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:01:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Why you should not park in front of a hydrant NVFRC (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Amusing pictures from the VFR list ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.303.org/~netmask/firehydrant.jpg http://www.sminnick.com/uploads/pics/atm.jpg http://www.sminnick.com/uploads/pics/bong.jpg http://www.sminnick.com/uploads/pics/cantdrv.jpg http://www.sminnick.com/uploads/pics/drivred.jpg http://www.sminnick.com/uploads/pics/frychik.jpg http://www.sminnick.com/uploads/pics/leftturn.jpg http://www.sminnick.com/uploads/pics/rust2.jpg http://www.sminnick.com/uploads/pics/safzone.jpg I found these around the internet and downloaded them.... They are good for a laugh. :) ----- Original Message ----- > Thought you all would enjoy this. > > John > > http://www.303.org/~netmask/firehydrant.jpg > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 12:31:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13802.mail.yahoo.com (web13802.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3IGVjU04566 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010418163144.27067.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13802.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:31:44 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:31:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Route Recommendations for West Virginia To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, I am heading to West Virginia Saturday AM. The plan is to go via Harrsionburg and ride the wonderful Rt 33. I am open to any suggestions, including routes and motels, that can take me into West Virginia, but leaves only a max three hour return to Summit Point for the races Sunday. Any ideas? Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 12:55:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9707.mail.yahoo.com (web9707.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3IGtPU04925 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010418165517.80904.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.45] by web9707.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:55:17 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:55:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: Let's not have any of this this weekend To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=83414&a=835571&p=12836657 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 12:59:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9703.mail.yahoo.com (web9703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.139]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3IGxXU05023 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010418165927.76322.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.45] by web9703.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:59:27 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:59:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: 'nuther dumb question To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My next cube neighbor with the VX800 wants to know if a standard grease gun will fit the fittings on his bike. All of my current bikes were made long ago in England (or in India with British tooling), so I can't answer him with authority. Is there such a thing as a metric grease fitting? I told you it was dumb. Thanks, Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 13:18:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3IHImU05332 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GC000MKE02FNW@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:18:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GC000H01027N8@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:18:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.169.36]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0GC000H0501ZL8@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:17:59 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:20:04 -0400 From: Dale Subject: Re: Route Recommendations for West Virginia To: Mark Kitchell Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Message-id: <3ADC7B44.ED59691C@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010418163144.27067.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Ok, I am heading to West Virginia Saturday AM. The > plan is to go via Harrsionburg and ride the wonderful > Rt 33. I am open to any suggestions, including routes > and motels, that can take me into West Virginia, but > leaves only a max three hour return to Summit Point > for the races Sunday. Any ideas? Seneca Rocks. Take SR 55 coming back. Great ride. Horkster From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 13:27:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3IHR2U05488 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3IHR0t02423 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:26:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: my race school/first race weekend In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Hugh Caldwell wrote: >On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Laura Granato wrote: >> >>Oh No, they let Girls race? >> >> >>What's this World coming too? >> >> It's actually getting smarter, that's what's happening. ;-) >> >Now THAT'S funny! Next thing you know you'll want to vote also. Thanks goodness there are good programs out there in the fight against women's suffrage. "End women's suffrage!", let it be your motto. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcoffroad/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 13:29:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3IHTkU05510 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:29:21 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:25:06 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Route Recommendations for West Virginia Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f3IHTlU05511 Mark, I did a WVA trip last fall and returned via 33. You may want to go out 33 to Seneca Rocks, then go north on 32 into Canaan Valley, past Blackwater falls to rt 219 north into MD then Right on US 50. From 50 you can veer left onto 972 into Keyser. Rt 72 off of 32 looked promising too, it hits 219 also I stayed at the Econo Lodge there 304-788-0913. >From there you can follow 50 back to Winchester or try 29 north to Rt 9 into Berkeley Springs and back down towards Charles Town Great roads and vistas everywhere, but watch for gravel in the corners. Cheers, George Cole 00 VFR >>> Mark Kitchell 04/18/01 12:31PM >>> Ok, I am heading to West Virginia Saturday AM. The plan is to go via Harrsionburg and ride the wonderful Rt 33. I am open to any suggestions, including routes and motels, that can take me into West Virginia, but leaves only a max three hour return to Summit Point for the races Sunday. Any ideas? Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 13:42:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11208.mail.yahoo.com (web11208.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.190]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3IHg4U05743 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010418174203.75908.qmail@web11208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11208.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:42:03 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:42:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Attention Suzuki GS500 Owners To: DC Cycles , SOC-USA@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Over the winter I investigated a new seat for my 1996 GS500E. I contacted Corbin and Sargent in hopes for a nice seat for longer rides and something my missus would be comfortable on for more than 20 minutes. Corbin and Sargent wanted more than $300 for a redo of my existing seat or a new one. I browsed through the Suzuki website and noticed that Suzuki offers a factory gel seat for the 500. I rode over to my local dealer (Cycle Accessory Discounters in Gaithersburg, MD) and asked for a price. My jaw dropped when they said, "That'll be $143 plus tax and shipping." Needless to say, I ordered it right then and there. It took about 8 days and it was in my hands. Some of the existing hardware from underneath must be taken off the old and installed on the new, but that's no biggie. I will install everything this weekend and try it out. Just squeezing the seat sitting on a table, it feels good. Therefore, if you're looking for a replacement for the stock 500 seat, you may want to investigate the factory $150 seat. Thanks for reading. Matt in North Potomac 1996 Suzuki GS500E __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 13:47:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3IHkxU05836 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29610 invoked by uid 1001); 18 Apr 2001 17:46:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20010418174646.29609.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:46:45 -0500 Subject: FS: FRS full-face setup $120. You provide the FRS unit (Staples has several models $50-80 that would work - must be 2-jack). The kit includes push to talk as well as VOX, ni-cad's, noise cancelling mic and speakers, power pack, belt clip, leather carrying case (for the not-included FRS) etc. It's the Chatterbox FRSPro kit. Any takers? -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 13:54:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3IHrxU05951 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQklhv13630; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:53:43 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQklhv13349; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:52:53 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:52:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX, race@XXXXXX, FZR400@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Something of interest to Racers and enthusiasts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=392 -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA Novice #230, MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 14:32:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9703.mail.yahoo.com (web9703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.139]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3IIWaU06621 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010418183236.84245.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.45] by web9703.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:32:36 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:32:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: RE: Let's not have any of this this weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For the record, the ambulance in the photo briefly contained Brian McCoy, who raced again later that same day. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=83414&a=835571&p=12836657 Be careful everyone. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 15:08:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3IJ7xU07225 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010418190755.17742.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.77.20.199] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:07:55 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:07:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Paging Laura Granato- call your Realtor :- ) To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yo Laura! Give me a call at my office if you get this before 5 p.m. 703 734-7020 x 179 -Corbett ('99 K1200RS..for the REAL Realtor on the go...) ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 17:52:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3ILqJU09791 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 21506 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2001 14:52:09 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 18 Apr 2001 14:52:09 -0700 X-Sent: 18 Apr 2001 21:52:09 GMT Message-ID: <05f001c0c851$c7904180$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Scratch" , "DCC" References: <20010418165517.80904.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Let's not have any of this this weekend Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:51:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: Let's not have any of this this weekend > I'd have to agree with that!!! LAG From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 19:35:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net (relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net [38.9.157.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3INZNU11513 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14q1Tl-0006lf-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:35:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:41 -0500 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Women's leathers Message-ID: <20010418193422627-6f48ae8@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tom said "actually, linda, from what i've seen, nobody discounts vanson leathers....nobody. i'm considering buying my wife-to-be dainese or vanson leathers.... been looking online at sites like www.motagear.com" give HB Leather a shot. It was originally Her better leather, specialized in, obviously, women's leathers. they've branched out thus the name change but I've dealt w/ Carolyn and she was _very_ helpful. Bought some Held gloves but wasn't sure which size was best. She charged for 1 pair, sent 3 with a note to return the 2 that didn't fit. Unusual in this day & age. www.herbtrlthr.com or 215-509-7713 keep the shiny side up! R '00 ZX-9R Voodoo '96 VFR From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 20:02:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3J02PU11913 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RacerGirl435@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.12.b80407a (4380) for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:02:11 -0400 (EDT) From: RacerGirl435@XXXXXX Message-ID: <12.b80407a.280f8503@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:02:11 EDT Subject: Re: Race this weekend at Summit Point To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Todd Withrow wrote: Who all is going to be there? You riding or driving? Camping or Day tripping? I'm riding up Sunday. Saturday as well if I can sneak out of friend's wedding early! :0 -jeff I'll be getting there Friday night. Pitting with the TFR crew probably somewhere close to the DC Cycles gang. Stop on by. We'll be the pit with the blow-up doll. hehe Jeff, I think I'd be DITCHING the wedding. Where ARE your priorities? lol Jess From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 20:05:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3J05CU11993 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RacerGirl435@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.b0.1366796e (4380) for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:04:57 -0400 (EDT) From: RacerGirl435@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:04:57 EDT Subject: Re: Race at Summit Point To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 Todd Withrow wrote: Anybody want to volunteer to transport my beer so I can ride?:) Todd, I wouldn't think you'd have to worry about bringing beer with you. There is enough beer at the track to last us all a lifetime. Just stop by one of our pits. I'm sure somebody'd be willing to give you a couple of beers (for a small fee of course hehe). Jess From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 18 22:34:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10504.mail.yahoo.com (web10504.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.154]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3J2YcU14224 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010419023437.8734.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.147.78.216] by web10504.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:34:37 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:34:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzookus Maximus Subject: VersaHaul Cycle Carrier To: DC Cycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone here anything good or bad about the VersaHaul motorcycle carrier (or a product similar)? Aprilia advertises their scooters sitting on one in RV mags (or so the VH site says they did) so I'm guessing they might be good. i.e. http://www.versahaul.com/ModelVH-55RO.htm -jeff ===== ->bike: '00 GSX-R750 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 00:00:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from host26.cedant.com (host26.cedant.com [209.239.37.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3J40HU15703 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from therock (pool180-147.patriot.net [209.249.180.147]) by host26.cedant.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f3J40Ft26517; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:00:15 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c0c884$ebd7ca80$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: "Suzookus Maximus" , "DC Cycles" References: <20010419023437.8734.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: VersaHaul Cycle Carrier Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:57:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I think the tongue load with a large motorcycle might be too great. Class 3 hitches have a max tongue load of 200 lbs I think, so your motorcycle would have to be pretty light. Trailers with wheels don't put so much weight on the hitch itself. That said, I have platform carrier similar to the Versahaul that I'm looking to sell. Only "hitch" (no pun intended) is that it's for the larger of the two receiver hitch sizes. $50 or best offer. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR, dccycles.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzookus Maximus To: DC Cycles List Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: VersaHaul Cycle Carrier > Anyone here anything good or bad about the VersaHaul > motorcycle carrier (or a product similar)? Aprilia > advertises their scooters sitting on one in RV mags > (or so the VH site says they did) so I'm guessing they > might be good. > > i.e. > http://www.versahaul.com/ModelVH-55RO.htm > > -jeff > > > ===== > ->bike: '00 GSX-R750 > ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX > ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 02:06:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3J66YU18270 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f3J67wP26042; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:07:58 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "Chris Weaver" , "Suzookus Maximus" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: VersaHaul Cycle Carrier Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:07:58 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20010419023437.8734.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> <000d01c0c884$ebd7ca80$0100a8c0@therock> In-Reply-To: <000d01c0c884$ebd7ca80$0100a8c0@therock> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041902075802.25731@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Chris Weaver wrote: > I think the tongue load with a large motorcycle might be too great. Class 3 > hitches have a max tongue load of 200 lbs I think, so your motorcycle would > have to be pretty light. Trailers with wheels don't put so much weight on > the hitch itself. A class II hitch has a max tongue weight of 200lbs. A class III hitch allows up to 500lbs. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 02:18:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3J6IwU18496 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f3J6KXP26067; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:20:33 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "Chris Weaver" , "Suzookus Maximus" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: VersaHaul Cycle Carrier Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:20:33 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20010419023437.8734.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> <000d01c0c884$ebd7ca80$0100a8c0@therock> In-Reply-To: <000d01c0c884$ebd7ca80$0100a8c0@therock> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041902203303.25731@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Chris Weaver wrote: > Trailers with wheels don't put so much weight on > the hitch itself. Sorry for the double-post... I meant to add that my 7x16 enclosed dual-axle trailer puts a wee bit more than 200lbs on the tongue. With 4 bikes, tools, gear, etc for a race weekend, I'm sitting at about 5000lbs total weight and easily 400lbs on the tongue. (This is figured out very quickly if you ever forget to put a board under the trailer leg before taking it off the hitch, then have the trailer sink into the ground to where it can no longer be hooked back up. Takes 3 - 4 guys to lift it unless you want to unload the trailer). - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 06:40:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3JAe6U22635 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 06:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010419104006.12174.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.40.185] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 03:40:06 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 03:40:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Let's not have any of this this weekend To: Scratch , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010418183236.84245.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Scratch wrote: > For the record, the ambulance in the photo briefly > contained Brian McCoy, who raced again later that same > day. > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=83414&a=835571&p=12836657 neglected equipment caused this incident, no doubt ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 09:30:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from host26.cedant.com (host26.cedant.com [209.239.37.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JDUTU25239 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chris (66-2-186-193.customer.algx.net [66.2.186.193]) by host26.cedant.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f3JDUQr27663; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:30:26 -0400 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , "Suzookus Maximus" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: VersaHaul Cycle Carrier Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 03:27:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <01041902075802.25731@www.mostlyharmless.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Brian, Good catch. I was confusing the Class III hitch with the Class I hitch. Class I is the lightest and weakest, III is the strongest. I have a Class I trailer and hitch. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 2:08 AM To: Chris Weaver; Suzookus Maximus; DC Cycles Subject: Re: VersaHaul Cycle Carrier On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Chris Weaver wrote: > I think the tongue load with a large motorcycle might be too great. Class 3 > hitches have a max tongue load of 200 lbs I think, so your motorcycle would > have to be pretty light. Trailers with wheels don't put so much weight on > the hitch itself. A class II hitch has a max tongue weight of 200lbs. A class III hitch allows up to 500lbs. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 09:37:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JDbLU25329 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2X5B6V6S>; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:37:15 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F01612FB5@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'john@XXXXXX'" , "'Andy Longton'" , "'Rose, Mike'" Subject: Oscilloscope Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:37:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Non-motorcycle but a biker needs a an Oscilloscope: "Non-Sabmag: I'm going to try to use this huge list of people to my advantage. I need an Oscilloscope. 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Carl in Bethesda (from the gummimint and tryin' to hep) From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 09:37:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JDblU25342 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.47]) id QQklkw04095; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:37:46 GMT Received: from usashexims04.corp.us.uu.net by imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.84.15]) id QQklkw10686; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:37:43 GMT Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2J22G2L6>; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:33:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'m_rosenstock@XXXXXX'" Subject: GS500 Seat Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:33:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:42:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Attention Suzuki GS500 Owners To: DC Cycles , SOC-USA@XXXXXX Over the winter I investigated a new seat for my 1996 GS500E.... Matt in North Potomac 1996 Suzuki GS500E Hi Matthew, I would love to know how that seat works out. I have a '98 GS500E that's a lot of fun to ride but after about 80 miles....ouch! I've been seriously considering a new bike but, if that plan doesn't work out, I'll definitely be in the market for a more comfortable seat. Please keep us posted! Thanks!! Sally From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 09:46:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mcnte1.mc.cc.md.us ([160.253.138.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JDkXU25545 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MCNTE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <20KRDTCA>; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:43:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'William J. Huson'" , Jeremy Purdy Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:43:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I had a Soozoo GS250T that got me a routine 65mpg with gusts up to 72 at a steady pace. I had no trouble mingling with the big dogs on the belt or 270, all the way up to an occasionally necessary 70 (OK, 75--I hadda see if it would, and it did), but mostly a stay-with-the-traffic 60 - 65. Didn't even really feel "small" in the mix. Woulda taken it on long trips, except that it needed a new muffler that woulda cost more than the bike was worth. Advance Rant Warning: I don't see any reason why bikes shouldn't get at least 40mpg. That is part of what I dig about them. I would not even consider owning a bike that got like 20s mpg, like some of the ultra hogs, or blazing crotch rockets. Make no mistake, the ride's the thing. But it should not require twice the gas consumption of a small car. But that is MHO. However, I suspect that there will be some flaming responses! -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:20 AM To: Jeremy Purdy Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: fuel efficient motorcycle Jeremy Purdy wrote: > My late Suzuki GZ250 got 60 mpg. Not quite as > efficient as your scooters, but you could actually > take it on a highway (as long as you don't need to > go over 65). Getting it serviced is no problem > either. > Gopod grief!!! My old Kawi 250 would nudge 100 and cruise at 70 all day or until the center plug fried :-) Milage, about 45, 2-stroke mill. But my old GS550E Suzuki would give me 58 mpg on the hiwy with the Joan Claybrook 85 mph speedo banging the peg. Range about 250 miles to reserve = 4.2 gal. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 11:48:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JFmuU27642 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-45-163.s417.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.45.163] helo=pawilson) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14qGfu-00056Q-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:48:55 -0400 Message-ID: <00ac01c0c8e8$8a770e40$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:49:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 My Nighthawk routinely gets 50+ mpg once I'm out of the Metroplex and the bike can stretch its legs without a lot of traffic interruptions. Shimming the jet needles smoothed out the throttle response without affecting mileage. Fuel efficiency tanks with the stop and go traffic snarls that are all too common around here. 40-44 mpg in city and suburban traffic is the norm. Paul in DC 91 CB750 (for sale) 95 VFR750F (coming soon!) users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Goldberg, Saul > I had a Soozoo GS250T that got me a routine 65mpg with gusts up to 72 at a > steady pace. I had no trouble mingling with the big dogs on the belt or 270, > all the way up to an occasionally necessary 70 (OK, 75--I hadda see if it > would, and it did), but mostly a stay-with-the-traffic 60 - 65. Didn't even > really feel "small" in the mix. Woulda taken it on long trips, except that > it needed a new muffler that woulda cost more than the bike was worth. > > Advance Rant Warning: I don't see any reason why bikes shouldn't get at > least 40mpg. That is part of what I dig about them. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 12:58:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3JGwFU28863 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010419165814.17584.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.205] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:58:14 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:58:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle To: "Goldberg, Saul" , "'William J. Huson'" , Jeremy Purdy Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Goldberg, Saul" wrote: > Advance Rant Warning: I don't see any reason why bikes > shouldn't get at least 40mpg. That is part of what I dig > about them. I would not even consider owning a bike that > got like 20s mpg, like some of the ultra hogs, or blazing > crotch rockets. most "blazing crotch rockets" weigh in at ~40mpg. if i remember correctly, the honda vtr1000 gets the worst mileage (of the "burners") at just over 30mpg. ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 13:23:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JHN9U29315 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GC1004C7USYMZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:19:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GC100F01USRP5@XXXXXX>; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:19:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GC100AKXUSLP3@XXXXXX>; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:19:33 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:18:28 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle To: Tom Gimer Cc: "Goldberg, Saul" , "'William J. Huson'" , Jeremy Purdy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3ADF1DE4.5C4C21A1@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010419165814.17584.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Tom Gimer wrote: > > most "blazing crotch rockets" weigh in at ~40mpg. if i > remember correctly, the honda vtr1000 gets the worst > mileage (of the "burners") at just over 30mpg. And doesn't the near-mandatory addition of pipe, filter, and jet kit on modern day sport bikes send that figure further into the toilet? I'm with Saul on this one, I'd hope for at least 40 mpg from my bikes. Anything less than that is borderline ridiculous. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 13:29:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JHToU29424 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3JHTiP30972 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:29:44 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010419132716.0240fb30@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:29:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle In-Reply-To: <3ADF1DE4.5C4C21A1@home.com> References: <20010419165814.17584.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed My VFR is ~32 or so. I can generally get 175 out of a 5.5 gal tank on the VFR in the city. Highway is around 190-200 ~36 mpg. That doesn't seem ridiculous to me. My Durango gets 14/18mpg. That seems ridiculous. At 01:18 PM 4/19/01, you wrote: >I'd hope for at least 40 mpg from my bikes. Anything >less than that is borderline ridiculous. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "We're Americans and we have a rendezvous with destiny.... No people who have ever lived on this earth have fought harder, paid a higher price for freedom, or done more to advance the dignity of man than Americans." --Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 13:37:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JHbZU29601 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3JHbYt08930 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:37:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle In-Reply-To: <3ADF1DE4.5C4C21A1@home.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Dale Horstman wrote: >Tom Gimer wrote: >> most "blazing crotch rockets" weigh in at ~40mpg. if i >> remember correctly, the honda vtr1000 gets the worst >> mileage (of the "burners") at just over 30mpg. > >And doesn't the near-mandatory addition of pipe, filter, and jet kit on >modern day sport bikes send that figure further into the toilet? Not in my experience. The 4 cylinder bikes get pretty good mileage even modified and when pretty agressive with the throttle. Yes, the VTR sucks for mileage. I don't know about other large "performance" twins. I've got a friend with a 135hp VTR and I'm curious to see what his mileage is like after he has it set up in street trim (besides that I'd just like to ride the bike... :) ). >I'm with Saul on this one, I'd hope for at least 40 mpg from my bikes. >Anything less than that is borderline ridiculous. I don't really mind bad gas mileage/fuel range unless I'm doing a solo trip. If I'm out with a group they usually want to stop frequently any way. The fuel mileage on its own, when considered from a cost perspective, is insignificant to me. From a "waste"/environmental perspective I would prefer to do better but I find it easy to balance against the plethora of SUVs/full size trucks being used as daily drivers. Besides, Dale, you think chain drive is ridiculous. How can we take you seriously now! :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcoffroad/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 13:42:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3JHgQU29687 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010419174226.27944.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.205] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:42:26 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:42:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle To: Dale Horstman Cc: "Goldberg, Saul" , "'William J. Huson'" , Jeremy Purdy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3ADF1DE4.5C4C21A1@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > most "blazing crotch rockets" weigh in at ~40mpg. if i > > remember correctly, the honda vtr1000 gets the worst > > mileage (of the "burners") at just over 30mpg. > > And doesn't the near-mandatory addition of pipe, filter, > and jet kit on modern day sport bikes send that figure > further into the toilet? I'm with Saul on this one, > I'd hope for at least 40 mpg from my bikes. Anything > less than that is borderline ridiculous. ahhh....at last a debate worth continuing. ridiculous? these are HIGH PERFORMANCE motorcycles. letting fuel efficiency even enter the mix of relevant variables is ridiculous. i'm just happy that i get twice the mileage out of my bike than i do out of my truck....plus 100 times the performance. just so you know, my mpg stats haven't decreased since installing aftermarket pipes. running the bike REALLY hard or sitting in dc traffic are the only ways that i have gotten poorer gas mileage. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 14:00:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funhouse.gsfc.nasa.gov (funhouse.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.254.140]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JI0eU00219 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sunset.gsfc.nasa.gov (sunset.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.221.159]) by funhouse.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09131 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010419134010.02546ec0@pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: rrapp@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:52:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Rapp Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010419132716.0240fb30@mail.troutman.org> References: <3ADF1DE4.5C4C21A1@home.com> <20010419165814.17584.qmail@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I've squeaked 220 miles from a tank on my '97 VFR (4-sale) w/ daily commuting. And now the '89 Hawk GT (VFR replacement); well, that remains to be seen. I think the best deal, practicality-wise, was my Saturn SW2 wagon: 125hp and 25/40mpg. The Volvo T-5 (Saturn replacement) gets 22/28 mpg (albeit 249hp). Regards, Bob R. And At 01:29 PM 4/19/01 -0400, Troutman wrote: >My VFR is ~32 or so. I can generally get 175 out of a 5.5 gal tank on the >VFR in the city. Highway is around 190-200 ~36 mpg. That doesn't seem >ridiculous to me. My Durango gets 14/18mpg. That seems ridiculous. > >At 01:18 PM 4/19/01, you wrote: >>I'd hope for at least 40 mpg from my bikes. Anything >>less than that is borderline ridiculous. > >___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > >"We're Americans and we have a rendezvous with destiny.... No people >who have ever lived on this earth have fought harder, paid a higher >price for freedom, or done more to advance the dignity of man than >Americans." --Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 14:14:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JIEJU00423 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GC1002HBXAYGS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:13:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GC100G01XADGQ@XXXXXX>; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:13:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GC100F4XX9UOA@XXXXXX>; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:13:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:12:01 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle To: Kirk Roy Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <3ADF2A71.6224A5D@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Kirk Roy wrote: > The fuel mileage on its own, when considered from a cost perspective, > is insignificant to me. From a "waste"/environmental perspective I would > prefer to do better but I find it easy to balance against the plethora of > SUVs/full size trucks being used as daily drivers. Well, my concern is mainly economics. I'm a cheap bastard. :) Plus I think it'd be cool to go 300 miles on a 7.6 gallon tank reliably. I'm close, but not quite there yet. I suppose I could lose some weight, drop the highway pegs, air wings, and tall shield, lose the big whip antenna, go back to a saddle that's not quite so tall (so I'm not up in the airstream so much), take off the Givi trunk, and get around to installing that cruise control I've had laying around for 6 months, and (I think) go back to radial tires, and my mileage would get back up over 40. But where would the fun be in that? I really think aerodynamics above about 65 mph really hurt gas mileage, at least on the Concours. If I take backroads, even while cornering with enthusiasm and gassing it fairly agressively on the exits, I can get close to 50 mpg as long as I don't average more than 50 to 55 mph. If I speed up, or hit stop&go traffic, I'm back into the low 40s-high 30s. > Besides, Dale, you think chain drive is ridiculous. How can we take > you seriously now! :) What?! I rant about chain drive in order to establish my sanity and clear thinking on this list... :) Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 14:19:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JIJaU00532 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (max2h-240.his.com [216.32.85.240]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13300 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010419141958.010894e8@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:20:01 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:43 AM 4/19/01 -0400, Goldberg, Saul wrote: > But it >should not require twice the gas consumption of a small car. But that is >MHO. However, I suspect that there will be some flaming responses! No flames, just pointing out a apples to oranges comparison. Equating a small car is only valid if the small car has the same power to weight ratio and came coefficient of drag (meaning performance) as the motorcycle. Give that small 2,200 lb car 456 hp and a chassis that can get it thru the 1/4 mile, skid pad and stopping distance with the same numbers as your typical 90hp-435lb 600 and I doubt will will be getting over 20 mpg anymore...:-) S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 14:31:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JIVsU00825 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GC1008B6XYOE3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:28:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GC100001XXTU9@XXXXXX>; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:28:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GC100MBOXXMTC@XXXXXX>; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:27:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:26:17 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3ADF2DC9.D6B97FEA@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010419174226.27944.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > I'd hope for at least 40 mpg from my bikes. Anything > > less than that is borderline ridiculous. > > ahhh....at last a debate worth continuing. > > ridiculous? these are HIGH PERFORMANCE motorcycles. > letting fuel efficiency even enter the mix of relevant > variables is ridiculous. Depends on your priorities. For me, having a vehicle that can toast any 4-wheeler this side of $150,000 stoplight to stoplight (useful for commuting) but that still gets gas mileage rivalling the most anemic econoboxes (useful for the water-cooler bragging rights and hushing the anti-motorbike crowd) is a selling point. > i'm just happy that i get twice the mileage out of my bike > than i do out of my truck....plus 100 times the > performance. I'd just like to see what kind of gas mileage a liter-bike can get, and how much of a performance hit it would be. I'd be willing to guess "pretty darned good" and "not a whole lot" respectively, if it ever became a priority among the bike manufacturers. But it's not a priority yet, and we probably won't find out until gas prices soar out of control. > just so you know, my mpg stats haven't decreased since > installing aftermarket pipes. running the bike REALLY hard > or sitting in dc traffic are the only ways that i have > gotten poorer gas mileage. Glad to hear it. I was just bemusedly pointing out a quirk of sportbike riders who take an otherwise good running bike and dork it up with carb, intake, and exhaust changes when an astounding majority of them can't ride within 75% of the stock bike's limits. Maybe it's a survival reaction? Let's gut the bike's low-end and midrange, and only keep the power at full throttle, which will only be used in a straight line on open roads... :) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 14:32:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1a.TRW.COM (mailhub1a.TRW.COM [129.193.4.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JIWVU00846 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from navieg2.trw.com by mailhub1a.TRW.COM for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:51:22 -0700 Received: from resva-ms6.resva.trw.com ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg2 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2001041910514016714 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:51:40 -0700 Received: from trw.com (dhcp182-96.fp.trw.com [129.193.182.96]) by resva-ms6.resva.trw.com; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:50:59 -0400 Message-Id: <3ADF2584.CE0ACC89@trw.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:51:00 -0400 From: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle References: <20010419165814.17584.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> <5.0.2.1.2.20010419132716.0240fb30@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My SV gets over 40, I think. I drive a Toyota ECHO as well, and it averages around 37. My old ZX-7 used to get around 40 mpg, but its been pretty abused for the last few years so it's prolly less now. I've always kept loose track of the mileage of my bikes, more out of curiousity than any real concern about cost or environment. I rode to Harper's Ferry on Saturday with a couple of buddys who own Sportsters. They tell me that the 883's get really good mileage, which for some reason I wouldn't have guessed...I owned a '97 Ford Club Wagon the summer before last. It got 10 mpg. It also had a 7.5 litre engine, which was fun at any "rice boy" infested stop light...anyway, I'll shut up now... Randy From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 14:35:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JIZQU00942 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f3JIb7P28006; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:37:07 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:37:07 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041914370706.25731@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Kirk Roy wrote: > Not in my experience. The 4 cylinder bikes get pretty good mileage even > modified and when pretty agressive with the throttle. Unless you rejet the carbs or remap the fuel injection, you're not using much more fuel at any given RPM (unless, of course, you have one of those new fangled bikes with fuel injection AND an O2 sensor that accounts for pipes automatically...). The HP gain and fuel milage changes are fairly minimal with just a slip-on exhaust (But there sure do sound nice :) ) > Yes, the VTR sucks for mileage. I don't know about other large > "performance" twins. I've got a friend with a 135hp VTR and I'm curious to > see what his mileage is like after he has it set up in street trim > (besides that I'd just like to ride the bike... :) ). My Duc gets about 32 - 35 mpg. Maybe if I shifted every once and a while it'd do better :) I think the best I've ever done on a long highway trip is about 40mpg. My 400cc superbike, on the other hand, gets about 18mpg on the racetrack :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 14:37:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3JIbdU00962 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26569 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2001 18:37:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20010419183738.26568.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:37:38 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:37:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3ADF2A71.6224A5D@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Plus I think it'd be cool to go 300 miles on a 7.6 > gallon tank My last tank: 299 miles, 5.29 gallons, ZX6 with REALLY big windscreen (saddlebags removed) Commuting to work, usually in 5th gear rather than 6th since the cruise control won't stay engaged below 5000 RPM. 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Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 14:50:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JIoLU01295 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GC100I95YYXSX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:49:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GC100C01YYS5K@XXXXXX>; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:49:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GC100A8FYY27I@XXXXXX>; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:49:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:48:08 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle To: Leon Begeman Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <3ADF32E8.71E461BD@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010419183738.26568.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Leon Begeman wrote: > My last tank: 299 miles, 5.29 gallons, ZX6 with > REALLY big windscreen (saddlebags removed) Commuting > to work, usually in 5th gear rather than 6th since the > cruise control won't stay engaged below 5000 RPM. Not bad! I did a little quick math, over the course of 100,000 miles, you might actually spend less on gas, chains, & sprockets than I'd spend just on gas... :) Dale -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 14:50:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h002.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3JIoUU01298 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 3440 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 11:50:23 -0700 Date: 19 Apr 2001 11:50:23 -0700 Message-ID: <20010419185023.3439.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 19 Apr 2001 18:50:23 GMT Received: from [63.87.57.82] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 19 Apr 2001 11:50:23 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: photosbyaaron@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.1.5 Subject: Cornerspeed School X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX As many of you know, I took my race school last week, and instead of the MARRC school, which is highly recognized as well, I took the cornerspeed school. 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And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 15:11:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (es05.hosts.jhmi.edu [162.129.224.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JJBBU01597 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (stevendipietro.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.91]) by es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21029; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ADF35F0.274F475A@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:01:05 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nichols.Nick@XXXXXX CC: "SOCMd@XXXXXX" , "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: Welcome to SOCMd References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B1EDD2932272DAD7ADA531A6" --------------B1EDD2932272DAD7ADA531A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nichols.Nick@XXXXXX wrote: > Are there any regularly scheduled rides?? > Nick, Nothing such as a regularly scheduled ride as of yet, but we do have some interesting rides in the planning stages. So far, we got a May 19th ride to the 4th Annual Chesapeake Bay Blues Festival. (Need more people y'all!) http://www.bayblues.org/ Ron Kostin is putting together a ride to southern Md. for a "Blessing of the Bikes" town party. (Hey Ron, got any more details yet?) I'd like to get Matthew Rosenstock to do a repeat of "The Dam Ride." That's where we visit several of Maryland's scenic Dams. (Matt you interested hosting that again?) Eric Hess, our National Director wants us to do a really big fundraising ride in 2002. We were thinking about doing a ride from Baltimore to Solomon's Island for a crab dinner, then a ride back. All raising funds for cancer research at the Johns Hopkins Oncology Center http://www.hopkinscancercenter.org/ Eric would like us to get big donors for door prizes, a TV station for advertising, etc. The whole enchilada. Something we would do year after year. DC-Cycles, http://www.dccycles.com/ puts on some rides occasionally, that SOC-USA/Md members attend. They're a great bunch! Nick, you're with the Catonsville Cruisers right? Do they do regularly scheduled rides? Maybe SOC-USA/Md and DC-Cycles could join in? BTW how's that new Suzuki Intruder Volusia? Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org --------------B1EDD2932272DAD7ADA531A6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Nichols.Nick@XXXXXX wrote:

Are there any regularly scheduled rides??
 
Nick,

        Nothing such as a regularly scheduled ride as of yet, but we do have some interesting rides in the planning stages. So far, we got a May 19th ride to the 4th Annual Chesapeake Bay Blues Festival. (Need more people y'all!)
http://www.bayblues.org/

Ron Kostin is putting together a ride to southern Md. for a "Blessing of  the Bikes" town party. (Hey Ron, got any more details yet?)

I'd like to get Matthew Rosenstock to do a repeat of "The Dam Ride." That's where we visit several of Maryland's scenic Dams. (Matt you interested hosting that again?)

Eric Hess, our National Director wants us to do a really big fundraising ride in 2002.
    We were thinking about doing a ride from Baltimore to Solomon's Island for a crab dinner, then a ride back. All raising funds for cancer research at the Johns Hopkins Oncology Center
 http://www.hopkinscancercenter.org/
    Eric would like us to get big donors for door prizes, a TV station for advertising, etc. The whole enchilada. Something we would do year after year.

    DC-Cycles, http://www.dccycles.com/ puts on some rides occasionally, that SOC-USA/Md members attend. They're a great bunch!

    Nick, you're with the Catonsville Cruisers right? Do they do regularly scheduled rides? Maybe SOC-USA/Md and DC-Cycles could join in?

    BTW how's that new Suzuki Intruder Volusia?

Steven C. Di Pietro
Assistant National Director
National Marketing Coordinator
Suzuki Owners Club USA
http://www.soc-usa.org --------------B1EDD2932272DAD7ADA531A6-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 15:13:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JJDFU01669 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-109.patriot.net [209.249.180.109]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3JJD9E31721; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:13:09 -0400 Message-ID: <3ADF376F.C9938D99@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:07:27 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle References: <3ADF2A71.6224A5D@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I really think aerodynamics above about 65 mph really hurt > gas mileage, at least on the Concours. If I take backroads, even > while cornering with enthusiasm and gassing it fairly agressively > on the exits, I can get close to 50 mpg as long as I don't average > more than 50 to 55 mph. If I speed up, or hit stop&go traffic, I'm > back into the low 40s-high 30s. > Proven by actual test, dirty air flow eats gas. My old UJM Suzuki had a frame mounted Quicksilver fairing and milage was barely affected from 55 to unmentionably fast (fear of retroactive tickee). But my current style (?) before function Harley steed makes one pay at the pump for rapid cruising. Close to 50 mpg at 45/50 mph, around 35 mpg at the aforementioned unmentionable speeds. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 15:28:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3JJS9U01949 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010419192808.21352.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.205] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:28:08 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:28:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Fwd: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii dave responded to me personally, but his reply was directed to the group as well, so it follows: --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:43:33 -0400 > From: > To: t_gimer@XXXXXX > CC: > Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle > > > > Tom Gimer fanned the smoldering embers: > > > > ahhh....at last a debate worth continuing. > > > > ridiculous? these are HIGH PERFORMANCE motorcycles. > > letting fuel efficiency even enter the mix of relevant > > variables is ridiculous. > > I agree with Gimer you TOO may > be forced to agree with Gimer ;-)> Kvetching about > getting sub 40 > mpg on a vehicle that can go 125 in the 1/4 mile for less > than 5 > figures brand new, is holding the bar a little high... > In the big > scheme of things, we're doing pretty good... > > > > > i'm just happy that i get twice the mileage out of my > bike > > than i do out of my truck....plus 100 times the > > performance. > > > > just so you know, my mpg stats haven't decreased since > > installing aftermarket pipes. running the bike REALLY > hard > > or sitting in dc traffic are the only ways that i have > > gotten poorer gas mileage. > > heavy stop & go traffic takes a far worse toll & me and > my bike > than does any other sort of riding. > > Dave > > > -- > Pop3Now Personal, Manage 5 Email Accounts From 1 Secure > Window > Sign Up Today! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 15:47:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from vasfw03.fdic.gov (vasfw03.fdic.gov [192.147.69.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JJlCU02267 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vasfw03.fdic.gov; id PAA20253; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(151.174.4.145) by vasfw03.fdic.gov via smap (V5.5) id xma019756; Thu, 19 Apr 01 15:45:22 -0400 Received: by s00exc101.fdic.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) id ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:45:24 -0400 Message-ID: <42A213AA7052D21187EB080009DC7807049A69D4@s01exc102.fdic.gov> From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: "'Steven C. Di Pietro'" , Nichols.Nick@XXXXXX Cc: SOCMd@XXXXXX, "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: RE: Welcome to SOCMd Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:45:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You'all are also welcome to check out/post ride info on the Mid-Atlantic Motorcycle Riders Forum (MMRF). The MMRF is a free internet forum open to ALL clubs and riders in the area. http://www.delphi.com/mmrf/start -----Original Message----- From: Steven C. Di Pietro [mailto:stevied@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 3:01 PM To: Nichols.Nick@XXXXXX Cc: SOCMd@XXXXXX; D.C.Cycles-L Subject: Re: Welcome to SOCMd Nichols.Nick@XXXXXX wrote: Are there any regularly scheduled rides?? Nick, Nothing such as a regularly scheduled ride as of yet, but we do have some interesting rides in the planning stages. So far, we got a May 19th ride to the 4th Annual Chesapeake Bay Blues Festival. (Need more people y'all!) http://www.bayblues.org/ Ron Kostin is putting together a ride to southern Md. for a "Blessing of the Bikes" town party. (Hey Ron, got any more details yet?) I'd like to get Matthew Rosenstock to do a repeat of "The Dam Ride." That's where we visit several of Maryland's scenic Dams. (Matt you interested hosting that again?) Eric Hess, our National Director wants us to do a really big fundraising ride in 2002. We were thinking about doing a ride from Baltimore to Solomon's Island for a crab dinner, then a ride back. All raising funds for cancer research at the Johns Hopkins Oncology Center http://www.hopkinscancercenter.org/ Eric would like us to get big donors for door prizes, a TV station for advertising, etc. The whole enchilada. Something we would do year after year. DC-Cycles, http://www.dccycles.com/ puts on some rides occasionally, that SOC-USA/Md members attend. They're a great bunch! Nick, you're with the Catonsville Cruisers right? Do they do regularly scheduled rides? Maybe SOC-USA/Md and DC-Cycles could join in? BTW how's that new Suzuki Intruder Volusia? Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 15:49:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com [207.46.181.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JJnPU02280 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavilion ([63.15.236.164]) by cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:49:15 -0700 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: RE: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:52:54 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010419174226.27944.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2001 19:49:15.0826 (UTC) FILETIME=[D09DB920:01C0C909] --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > most "blazing crotch rockets" weigh in at ~40mpg. if i > > remember correctly, the honda vtr1000 gets the worst > > mileage (of the "burners") at just over 30mpg. > > And doesn't the near-mandatory addition of pipe, filter, > and jet kit on modern day sport bikes send that figure > further into the toilet? I'm with Saul on this one, > I'd hope for at least 40 mpg from my bikes. Anything > less than that is borderline ridiculous. ahhh....at last a debate worth continuing. ridiculous? these are HIGH PERFORMANCE motorcycles. letting fuel efficiency even enter the mix of relevant variables is ridiculous. Personally i would not buy a motorcycle that only got 30 mpg. I would rather risk performance for some efficiency. Some people get motorcycles and get so many ad-ons that makes their bike faster, stronger and more powerful and risk their fuel milage. I would rather have a bike that can go the distance and not having to stop every minute for petrol refils even thou it might be a bit slower than a high performance bike. I ride a motorcycle year round, and one of the decisions for getting a bike was the fuel efficiency that comes to owning a bike. I cannot afford a car, and would rather have one vehicle that can take me there cheaply. Motorcycle maintenance is not cheap thou, specially on a triumph. I would like to know the fuel efficiency of motorcycles like Honda Blackbird, zx11 etc.. Those are very powerful bikes with big motors capable of achieving high speeds that my bike could only hope to. Ricardo Pontes 1998 Triumph Tiger From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 16:09:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JK90U02624 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip109.herndon35.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.106.109]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12953 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ADF45AE.1E7C888D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:08:14 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FWIW, here's my 2 cents on this subject ... Who cares??? %^) I ride a motorcycle because it's fun and challenging. To go fast -- especially through the corners. Ocassionally, to hunt deer! %^) And let's not forget the pose factor. MPG? Has nothing to do with why I ride. At least it's not a priority. Motorcycles are generally more fuel efficient than most cars. That's a bonus. But for me, not a reason to ride. And there are cars out there that are at least as fuel efficient as a lot of motorcycles, if not more so. And just to prove that I don't give a rat's ass about fuel efficiency/economy, I drive an SUV! %^) Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 16:10:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JKALU02640 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GC200A1L2OM5S@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:09:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GC2007012NP6R@XXXXXX>; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:09:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GC2003LG2NM6B@XXXXXX>; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:09:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:08:17 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle To: Ricardo Pontes Cc: Dccycles Message-id: <3ADF45B1.C4AB9E91@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Ricardo Pontes wrote: > I would like to know the fuel efficiency of > motorcycles like Honda Blackbird, zx11 etc.. Those are very powerful bikes > with big motors capable of achieving high speeds that my bike could only > hope to. I've heard the ST1100 gets pretty good gas mileage (45+ during normal use) for a bike it's size and weight (tweak, tweak) :) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 16:20:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JKKLU02877 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:20:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbY4ztB4ATWb8f4h2hkBGsj6MlOOiudH9T8wQwk3bp4xfdSLg7egx/8 Received: from [63.123.104.125] (helo=gennapc) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14qKub-0000Xy-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:20:21 -0400 Message-ID: <0a4601c0c90e$285f1920$7d687b3f@gennapc> Reply-To: "Genna Melamed" From: "Genna Melamed" To: References: Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:20:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Here are examples. According to www.motorcyclenews.com Honda CBR1100XX gets 36 mpg or 190 miles per 24 liters (this is UK magazine so I'm not sure if they use imperial gallons) Honda RC51(VTR SP1) : 28 mpg 111 miles/18 L Yamaha R1 : 34 mpg 130 miles/18 L Yamaha R6 : 38 mpg 130 miles/ 17 L they didn't have Concours, but similar HONDA PAN EUROPEAN(or ST1100 for USA) : 42mpg 270miles /29 liters (6.38galls) These are average mileages I believe This should give you an idea on MPG make your own judgments Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goldberg, Saul" To: "'William J. Huson'" ; "Jeremy Purdy" Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 9:43 AM Subject: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle > I had a Soozoo GS250T that got me a routine 65mpg with gusts up to 72 at a > steady pace. I had no trouble mingling with the big dogs on the belt or 270, > all the way up to an occasionally necessary 70 (OK, 75--I hadda see if it > would, and it did), but mostly a stay-with-the-traffic 60 - 65. Didn't even > really feel "small" in the mix. Woulda taken it on long trips, except that > it needed a new muffler that woulda cost more than the bike was worth. > > Advance Rant Warning: I don't see any reason why bikes shouldn't get at > least 40mpg. That is part of what I dig about them. I would not even > consider owning a bike that got like 20s mpg, like some of the ultra hogs, > or blazing crotch rockets. Make no mistake, the ride's the thing. But it > should not require twice the gas consumption of a small car. But that is > MHO. However, I suspect that there will be some flaming responses! > > -----Original Message----- > From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:20 AM > To: Jeremy Purdy > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: fuel efficient motorcycle > > > > > Jeremy Purdy wrote: > > > My late Suzuki GZ250 got 60 mpg. Not quite as > > efficient as your scooters, but you could actually > > take it on a highway (as long as you don't need to > > go over 65). Getting it serviced is no problem > > either. > > > > Gopod grief!!! My old Kawi 250 would nudge 100 and cruise at 70 all day > or until the center plug fried :-) Milage, about 45, 2-stroke mill. > But my old GS550E Suzuki would give me 58 mpg on the hiwy with the Joan > Claybrook 85 mph speedo banging the peg. Range about 250 miles to > reserve = 4.2 gal. > > Bill > From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 16:25:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from myrtle.rtpnc.epa.gov (myrtle.rtpnc.epa.gov [134.67.208.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JKPHU02924 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epahub11.rtp.epa.gov (epahub11.rtp.epa.gov [134.67.213.52]) by epamail.epa.gov (PMDF V5.2-32 #42055) with ESMTP id <0GC200BWA33O8X@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:17:02 -0400 From: Nichols.Nick@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Welcome to SOCMd To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, SOCMd@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2a November 23, 1999 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on EPAHUB11/USEPA/US(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 04/19/2001 04:18:59 PM Sounds great ! The Catonsville Cruisers are off to a slow start...it seems that outside sport rockets, Harley/Buel and BMW there is no great interest in riding in clubs open to all types/makes of bikes...maybe Im being pessimistic, but we do have new ads coming out in several papers and Pennysavers announcing our 2001 membership drive. I hope this gets the phone ringing and we have a core group formed shortly...hell its still cold out. All of our rides/events will be open to everyone and we will be happy to participate in any events in the area. Weve been talking to Cystic Fibrosis and Diabetes for charity rides. Our regular rides start at Sam's Bagels on Frederick Rd in Catonsville every Saturday at 11am...just show-n-go by 11:30 or so... The new Volusia is awesome! handles great...havent had it over 55 yet but it wants to for sure! Looking forward to meeting you all on the road. Nick "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: Nick Nichols/DC/USEPA/US@EPA , "D.C.Cycles-L" 04/19/01 03:01 Subject: Re: Welcome to SOCMd PM Nichols.Nick@XXXXXX wrote: Are there any regularly scheduled rides?? Nick, Nothing such as a regularly scheduled ride as of yet, but we do have some interesting rides in the planning stages. So far, we got a May 19th ride to the 4th Annual Chesapeake Bay Blues Festival. (Need more people y'all!) http://www.bayblues.org/ Ron Kostin is putting together a ride to southern Md. for a "Blessing of the Bikes" town party. (Hey Ron, got any more details yet?) I'd like to get Matthew Rosenstock to do a repeat of "The Dam Ride." That's where we visit several of Maryland's scenic Dams. (Matt you interested hosting that again?) Eric Hess, our National Director wants us to do a really big fundraising ride in 2002. We were thinking about doing a ride from Baltimore to Solomon's Island for a crab dinner, then a ride back. All raising funds for cancer research at the Johns Hopkins Oncology Center http://www.hopkinscancercenter.org/ Eric would like us to get big donors for door prizes, a TV station for advertising, etc. The whole enchilada. Something we would do year after year. DC-Cycles, http://www.dccycles.com/ puts on some rides occasionally, that SOC-USA/Md members attend. They're a great bunch! Nick, you're with the Catonsville Cruisers right? Do they do regularly scheduled rides? Maybe SOC-USA/Md and DC-Cycles could join in? BTW how's that new Suzuki Intruder Volusia? Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 16:36:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JKaNU03156 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:36:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaIfs3CQFPrVhCGNFPUdt5DErub0UkbvbUx+bn1FsdYYGPE3rbsvNXU Received: from [63.123.104.125] (helo=gennapc) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14qLA6-00033p-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:36:22 -0400 Message-ID: <0a6201c0c910$65970670$7d687b3f@gennapc> Reply-To: "Genna Melamed" From: "Genna Melamed" To: Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:36:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Here is another thought: Most bikes are used about 3-5K miles per year, so let's take 5000 miles per year and price of premium gas at say $2gall at 50 mpg avg. (pretty much a high limit for bikes reasonable size) you have to spend 100 gallons per year, or $200/year at 35 mpg avg (most high performance bikes): 142 galls, or $284 difference of $84/year or if you drive 10K per year then it's $168/year Most high performance engines hold up for about 30K(that's about 6-10 years) or less, so over life of bike(let's assume 30K) we are talking about $500 does this really make that much difference financially at least????? and this is at $2/gallon. Many even "high performance" bikes use regular gas, you can buy that at still around 1.60 in MD, even premium gas is only about 1.80 in most parts of MD Note, I do understand concerns of people that ride Concours or similar bikes, they tend to put a lot more miles on the bike, so in their cases it DOES make a difference. Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genna Melamed" To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 4:20 PM Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle > Here are examples. > > According to www.motorcyclenews.com > > Honda CBR1100XX gets 36 mpg or 190 miles per 24 liters (this is UK magazine > so I'm not sure if they use imperial gallons) > Honda RC51(VTR SP1) : 28 mpg 111 miles/18 L > Yamaha R1 : 34 mpg 130 miles/18 L > Yamaha R6 : 38 mpg 130 miles/ 17 L > > they didn't have Concours, but similar > HONDA PAN EUROPEAN(or ST1100 for USA) : 42mpg 270miles /29 liters > (6.38galls) > > These are average mileages I believe > > This should give you an idea on MPG > > make your own judgments > > Genna Melamed > genna@XXXXXX > www.erols.com/genna > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Goldberg, Saul" > To: "'William J. Huson'" ; "Jeremy Purdy" > > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 9:43 AM > Subject: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle > > > > I had a Soozoo GS250T that got me a routine 65mpg with gusts up to 72 at a > > steady pace. I had no trouble mingling with the big dogs on the belt or > 270, > > all the way up to an occasionally necessary 70 (OK, 75--I hadda see if it > > would, and it did), but mostly a stay-with-the-traffic 60 - 65. Didn't > even > > really feel "small" in the mix. Woulda taken it on long trips, except that > > it needed a new muffler that woulda cost more than the bike was worth. > > > > Advance Rant Warning: I don't see any reason why bikes shouldn't get at > > least 40mpg. That is part of what I dig about them. I would not even > > consider owning a bike that got like 20s mpg, like some of the ultra hogs, > > or blazing crotch rockets. Make no mistake, the ride's the thing. But it > > should not require twice the gas consumption of a small car. But that is > > MHO. However, I suspect that there will be some flaming responses! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:20 AM > > To: Jeremy Purdy > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: fuel efficient motorcycle > > > > > > > > > > Jeremy Purdy wrote: > > > > > My late Suzuki GZ250 got 60 mpg. Not quite as > > > efficient as your scooters, but you could actually > > > take it on a highway (as long as you don't need to > > > go over 65). Getting it serviced is no problem > > > either. > > > > > > > Gopod grief!!! My old Kawi 250 would nudge 100 and cruise at 70 all day > > or until the center plug fried :-) Milage, about 45, 2-stroke mill. > > But my old GS550E Suzuki would give me 58 mpg on the hiwy with the Joan > > Claybrook 85 mph speedo banging the peg. Range about 250 miles to > > reserve = 4.2 gal. > > > > Bill > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 17:15:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from anakin.amberjack.net (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [24.163.114.207]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3JLFmU03812 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200104192115.f3JLFmU03812@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: (qmail 8033 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 17:15:40 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO carbon.amberjack.net) (192.168.100.106) by 192.168.100.1 with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 17:15:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:14:55 -0400 From: mlundquist To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Motoport Ultra II Cordura Pant vs Darien Pant Reply-To: mlundquist@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Spruce 0.7.6 for X11 w/smtpio 0.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm looking to buy a good pair of overpants for street use. Can anyone comment about these two or make a different suggestion. I'm shying away from leather due to the heat and breathability issues. Current choices: Motoport Ultra II Cordura Pant Darien Pant -- Mark Lundquist mlundquist@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 17:19:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JLJJU03822 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-45-93.s347.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.45.93] helo=pawilson) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14qLpe-0001qT-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:19:19 -0400 Message-ID: <01e801c0c916$9f22dee0$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:18:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Ricardo, I feel your pain. Wife to Paul: "We spend more on fuel for that bike than we do for the car." Paul to Wife: "Uh, honey, the bike racks up about three to four times more miles in the average month." (Moral of the story - gotta start paying for gas with cash, which is largely untraceable by the Minister of Finance) Paul in DC 91 CB750 (for sale) 95 VFR750F (coming soon!) users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Ricardo Pontes . I ride a motorcycle year round, > and one of the decisions for getting a bike was the fuel efficiency that > comes to owning a bike. I cannot afford a car, and would rather have one > vehicle that can take me there cheaply. Motorcycle maintenance is not cheap > thou, specially on a triumph. I would like to know the fuel efficiency of > motorcycles like Honda Blackbird, zx11 etc.. Those are very powerful bikes > with big motors capable of achieving high speeds that my bike could only > hope to. > > Ricardo Pontes > 1998 Triumph Tiger From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 17:28:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JLSLU03979 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from attglobal.net ([24.10.231.79]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010419212749.OIJJ20722.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:27:49 -0700 Message-ID: <3ADF59E8.F4269AD9@attglobal.net> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:34:32 -0400 From: Shigeru Honda X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [ja] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: MCN - News you can believe in Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------DE032484A4125B158804325D" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DE032484A4125B158804325D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WoW! check this out. 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Kerry McLean admits he?s " always made = a lot of crazy things " . His monocycle shows he isn?t wrong. Guess = what? He?s American.

His contraption, one Professor Pat Pending wou= ld be proud of, is powered by a 40bhp snowmobile. It?ll hit 57mph and it?= s road legal! It has lights and number plates and is licensed as a motorc= ycle.

There are actually two wheels involved here, with the inner o= ne driving the outer. He steers by leaning the machine and braking is jus= t the same as for our " normal " bikes, with the low centre o= f gravity stopping it toppling or continuing to rotate ? with him inside = it. McLean admits he does spin in the wheel slightly when he stops or acc= elerates, but not some much as to stop the concept working.

His nex= t creation is likely to be even more eye-popping. He is weeks away from f= inishing a new monocycle with a larger wheel and an aluminium-cast V8 eng= ine based on the unit in an Oldsmobile car. McLean estimates his new one = will make 225bhp and will feature full suspension and transmission.

He said: " That one will probably be capable of going a lot faster= than I want to ? around 150mph. "

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--------------DE032484A4125B158804325D-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 17:39:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from anakin.amberjack.net (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [24.163.114.207]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3JLdwU04136 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200104192139.f3JLdwU04136@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: (qmail 8081 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 17:39:50 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO carbon.amberjack.net) (192.168.100.106) by 192.168.100.1 with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 17:39:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:39:04 -0400 From: mlundquist To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Street Gloves...Held? Reply-To: mlundquist@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Spruce 0.7.6 for X11 w/smtpio 0.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm looking to get a good pair of gloves and heard Held are the best. I only do street riding and a fair weather rider at that. Can anyone comment on: Model #2115 Steve glove Model #2080 Power1 glove Any other glove -- Mark Lundquist mlundquist@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 17:44:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JLiDU04223 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14qMBa-0007DY-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:41:58 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:44:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MCN - News you can believe in In-Reply-To: <3ADF59E8.F4269AD9@attglobal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII That's awesome! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 18:03:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from amerchem.acs.org (amerchem.acs.org [208.209.231.223]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3JM3IU04619 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash24.acs.org (wash24.acs.org [134.243.200.4]) by amerchem.acs.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3JM3Bv07400; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wash58.acs.org (wash58 [172.26.253.26]) by wash24.acs.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3JM3Be23122; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by WASH58 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2XY9B1QS>; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:59:39 -0400 Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9603195590@WASH58> From: Jason Picton To: "'SOCMd@XXXXXX'" , "Steven C. Di Pietro" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rides in Maryland Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:59:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In reference to riding groups. The HSTA (Honda Sport Touring assoc.) has no problem with any/all different types of bikes in its events. While most of our riders have the so-called "sport rockets", other types of bikes are welcome. While I ride a VTR and Hawk GT currently (Not at the same time), I started riding with them on a Yamaha Vstar 1100 Crusier. For those who might be interested in riding out of Annapolis, Maryland this Sunday, check out www.solo.net/~hsta and click on events2001 on the left hand side, or Spring Ride underneath services on the right hand side for more information. There is supposed to be a decent turnout this Sunday, and we usually try and break the groups up for different types of riding. Hope to see you there Jason -----Original Message----- From: Nichols.Nick@XXXXXX [mailto:Nichols.Nick@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 4:17 PM To: Steven C. Di Pietro Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; SOCMd@XXXXXX Subject: [SOCMd] Re: Welcome to SOCMd Sounds great ! The Catonsville Cruisers are off to a slow start...it seems that outside sport rockets, Harley/Buel and BMW there is no great interest in riding in clubs open to all types/makes of bikes...maybe Im being pessimistic, but we do have new ads coming out in several papers and Pennysavers announcing our 2001 membership drive. I hope this gets the phone ringing and we have a core group formed shortly...hell its still cold out. All of our rides/events will be open to everyone and we will be happy to participate in any events in the area. Weve been talking to Cystic Fibrosis and Diabetes for charity rides. Our regular rides start at Sam's Bagels on Frederick Rd in Catonsville every Saturday at 11am...just show-n-go by 11:30 or so... The new Volusia is awesome! handles great...havent had it over 55 yet but it wants to for sure! Looking forward to meeting you all on the road. Nick "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: Nick Nichols/DC/USEPA/US@EPA , "D.C.Cycles-L" 04/19/01 03:01 Subject: Re: Welcome to SOCMd PM Nichols.Nick@XXXXXX wrote: Are there any regularly scheduled rides?? Nick, Nothing such as a regularly scheduled ride as of yet, but we do have some interesting rides in the planning stages. So far, we got a May 19th ride to the 4th Annual Chesapeake Bay Blues Festival. (Need more people y'all!) http://www.bayblues.org/ Ron Kostin is putting together a ride to southern Md. for a "Blessing of the Bikes" town party. (Hey Ron, got any more details yet?) I'd like to get Matthew Rosenstock to do a repeat of "The Dam Ride." That's where we visit several of Maryland's scenic Dams. (Matt you interested hosting that again?) Eric Hess, our National Director wants us to do a really big fundraising ride in 2002. We were thinking about doing a ride from Baltimore to Solomon's Island for a crab dinner, then a ride back. All raising funds for cancer research at the Johns Hopkins Oncology Center http://www.hopkinscancercenter.org/ Eric would like us to get big donors for door prizes, a TV station for advertising, etc. The whole enchilada. Something we would do year after year. DC-Cycles, http://www.dccycles.com/ puts on some rides occasionally, that SOC-USA/Md members attend. They're a great bunch! Nick, you're with the Catonsville Cruisers right? Do they do regularly scheduled rides? Maybe SOC-USA/Md and DC-Cycles could join in? BTW how's that new Suzuki Intruder Volusia? Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: SOCMd-unsubscribe@XXXXXX Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 19:07:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3JN7XU05702 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22443 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Apr 2001 23:07:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20010419230732.22442.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:07:29 -0500 Subject: Re: new Palm + GPS solution - a review I'm rather disappointed to put it mildly. If you just want the nifty mapping software that will show you all sorts of attractions, restaurants, POI's innumerable and do trip planning then fine. Otherwise stick to mapquest and print out their maps/directions or carry a nice sectional. The following applies to the Palm pilot solution: * The GPS module provides a "you are here" blinking cursor. It does not (I don't think) actually record your progress. (though I could be wrong) * the maps are not particularly useful except in a local aspect. A 50 mile x 25 mile section consumes anywhere from 500kb to 2mb of precious memory. And at this 'biggest' bird's eye view you get to see roads down to the major highways (which isn't a bad thing). Drilling down into local roads, even alley's is possible but the time for the software to compute the new image is really quite slow. To conserve space/time I set the PC software to only display the major roads and larger and to leave out the rivers, lakes and all sorts of other cruft. the savings was less than I would have liked. * The built-in recharable battery lasts 4-6 hrs supposedly. And with a little custom splicing you can wire it into your bike electrical system if you like. Standard 12v's. I'm tempted to make a little power box that feeds clean 12, 6, and 3v out to my periperals... Using it with the Palm is really only useful if yuo're on foot, IMO. It's too hard to read on a MC to begin with, not to mention it takes a while for the GPS to do it's thing. The benefit I guess is that you don't have to go digging into your saddle bag for the maps only to have them blow away in the wind, nor do you have to find a local yokel to tell you where the heck you are if you get lost. Nor do you have to spend hours printing maps off of mapquest at 10mi/inch resolution and bundling them together. Given that it only costs $60 for all of it, it's not such a bad deal I guess. I just had higher expectations. And the memory footprint for the maps is just way too much. I'm going to have to buy one of those memory modules for my trip from here to Colorado. As long as your maps overlap, the GPS unit will search for and find the next one and keep on scrolling along. That's nice... If you have a GPS unit (eg. Garmin) you can also hook it up to the palm pilot but I'm not sure why you'd do that. * the software on the CD is buggy as hell. Get the upgrade pronto. * The software also doesn't seem to allow you to chart your own course from A to B. if anyone here is familiar with Rand McNally's StreetFinder Pro, kindly let me in on the secret to set my own way-points. * documentation? whadaya mean, documentation... * if you let the computer plot a course, the map it generates is a lot smaller (in memory and coverage) since it basically defaults to taking 10 or so miles on either side of your route as it's coverage zone. The following applies to the Laptop solution: * the GPS will record and plot your path and provide all sorts of nifty doo-dads (eta, average speed, compas direction) in real-time in a large screen so you can glance at it as you drive, should you actually ignore all the warnings to the countrary that says "Pay attention to yer driving." It's perfect for that traveling salesman among us. Or the long-haul trucker learning a new route or who wants to explore. The GPS/software integration is realized best if paired with a laptop. If you don't have the right maps loaded onto your PDA it's not going to help much. So, always carry a nice sectional. I got one at a gas station, covers the entire east 1/2 of the USA for like $5. Won't show you all the twisties but it'll get you where you want to go. -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 19:57:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13004.mail.yahoo.com (web13004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3JNvEU06616 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010419235713.95978.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.81.203] by web13004.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:57:13 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:57:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Smoke! To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I plugged a hole in my rear tire a few days ago and went to take my Concours for a spin for the first time today to see how it would hold. Two problems 1) After warming up a bit, smoke started coming out of the left side, around the oil sight glass. After I turned it off I took a good look. The whole area looks like it is coated in oil or grime. The area I left it parked for over a week slopes to one side, so the bike was leaned way over on the side stand during that time. (Not enough to fall over, but enough that it took an effort for me to straighten it up) Could it be that the leaning over caused something to leak? Would this be just a matter of cleaning it up? Or something more serious? 2) After I parked it, I could feel some air coming out near the plug. It's right next to a tread, just a very little bit of rubber on the side, so I guess it may be too weak of a place to hope that the plug will last for a while. Bummer, looks like I'll need to get a new tire. Any comments or suggestions, especially on the first part? Unfortunately, between teaching, going out of town, and visitors, all my weekends are full until June, so I may have to just bring the bike in to a shop to have them take care of it. The mechanics from my old shop moved to another place, one that won't work on Kawasakis (PowerRide, seem to be bitter that Kawasaki revoked their franchise) so I'll have to bring it to a new place. I'm thinking Bailies Crossroad Cycles, as they aren't too far, and I've heard them mentioned positively on the list before... any comments on them? Thanks, Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 21:25:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3K1PMU08039 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (user-2iveml0.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.90.160]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28421; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ADF900C.C77F647@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:25:32 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles CC: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Smoke! References: <20010419235713.95978.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Louis, Denny and his crew at Crossroads Cycles (703) 820-3711 were the only guys who worked on my recently departed Gixxer. I don't hesitate to recommend them. They aren't any cheaper than anyone else. They aren't necessarily any faster. And they might not be any better. But what they are is complete honest (at least that's been my experience). Denny has always treated me right and I just assume that's how he treats everyone else. In my book, that's worth a whole lot. Chuck "Louis F. Caplan" wrote : > > their franchise) so I'll have to bring it to a new place. I'm thinking Bailies > Crossroad Cycles, as they aren't too far, and I've heard them mentioned > positively on the list before... any comments on them? -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 21:34:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3K1YfU08197 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-92-188.s569.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.92.188] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14qPom-0005I4-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:34:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c0c939$f60649e0$bc5c2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: References: <200104192301.f3JN1L705503@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:33:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:08:17 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle To: Ricardo Pontes Cc: Dccycles X-Accept-Language: en Ricardo Pontes wrote: > I would like to know the fuel efficiency of > motorcycles like Honda Blackbird, zx11 etc.. Those are very powerful bikes > with big motors capable of achieving high speeds that my bike could only > hope to. I've heard the ST1100 gets pretty good gas mileage (45+ during normal use) for a bike it's size and weight (tweak, tweak) :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I'm listening. Best ever mileage with cruise-control at sustained 70mph on I70 and vicious cross-wind, 328 miles - 7.4gals, (ST1100). Worst ever at sustained smiley faces, vicious corner attacks and a serious need for speed? 98miles, 4.2gals and then out came the spare fuel bottle (VTR) :-) Todd (Springfield) From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 22:06:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3K26RU08833 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kawgirl (kawgirl.kivex.com [208.213.150.18]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id WAA11885 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:06:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "lisa@XXXXXX" X-Sender: lgoddard@kawgirl To: dccycles Subject: gas mileage Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII And At 01:29 PM 4/19/01 -0400, Troutman wrote: >My VFR is ~32 or so. I can generally get 175 out of a 5.5 gal tank on the >VFR in the city. Highway is around 190-200 ~36 mpg. That doesn't seem >ridiculous to me. My Durango gets 14/18mpg. That seems ridiculous. interesting, I seem to average more like 40~42 mpg on my VFR. My daily commute is a nice mix of highway with some stop and go traffic in to Bethesda. I start to think about getting gas around 210 but have gotten over 225 on the tank many times. the time I got excellent mileage was riding to and from Hagarstown with a friend who was breaking in a ZX-11. Top speeds of 55 MPH, getting passed left and right by mini-vans and everything else too! our Suburban gets about 16 highway, we are thrilled with that. We sold our Jeep which was much worse! The Suburban is not the daily commuter so we like to think that as a family we're not too bad. I've even been taking ride-on/Metro occasionally. Lisa '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 22:59:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3K2xcU09636 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f3K31OP28645 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:01:24 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:01:24 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <0a6201c0c910$65970670$7d687b3f@gennapc> In-Reply-To: <0a6201c0c910$65970670$7d687b3f@gennapc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041923012407.25731@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Umm... the originaly poster of this thread was interested in MPG because he was looking for a commuting vehicle. A great deal of DC_Cycles riders commute on their bikes to save money and put a wee bit more than 3-5k miles a year on their bikes (try 20k in some cases). Beyond that... if your motor dies at 30k miles, you may have wanted to change the oil at some point in it's life. Modern motorcycle engines will last 3 times that long with proper maintenance and upkeep, and even then just need a top end rebuild. - Roach On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Genna Melamed wrote: > Most bikes are used about 3-5K miles per year, so let's take 5000 miles per > year and price of premium gas at say $2gall ... > Most high performance engines hold up for about 30K(that's about 6-10 > years) or less, so over life of bike(let's assume 30K) we are talking about > $500 > > does this really make that much difference financially at least????? and > this is at $2/gallon. Many even "high performance" bikes use regular gas, > you can buy that at still around 1.60 in MD, even premium gas is only about > 1.80 in most parts of MD From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 23:13:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3K3DQU09895 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-168-209-35.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.168.209.35) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2001 03:13:24 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Lin_Tan" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Street Gloves...Held? Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:13:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <200104192139.f3JLdwU04136@dirty.meretrix.com> Importance: Normal I have 3 pairs of Held gloves and, personally, I won't buy anything else anymore. They fit and they are crashworthy. DAMHIK I don't have a clue as to their model numbers, though. LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner Mark Lundquist asked: I'm looking to get a good pair of gloves and heard Held are the best. I only do street riding and a fair weather rider at that. Can anyone comment on: Model #2115 Steve glove Model #2080 Power1 glove Any other glove _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 19 23:49:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10506.mail.yahoo.com (web10506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3K3n5U10472 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010420034904.47410.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.147.78.216] by web10506.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:49:04 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:49:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzookus Maximus Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Stephen Harris wrote: <> Hmm... hot rodding around town, stuck in traffic and burning tires off the line gets my '99 Vette 18mpg. I get 25mpg on long highway excursions (3200lbs/345hp). :0 Still, my GSX-R750 gets 40+mpg, can smoke the Vette in a stright line, and is way more fun unless it is cold or rainy! I just wish my tank was a little bigger so I didn't have to stop so often! Anyhow -- I don't think a $1.60-80 is *that* bad -- seeing that historically that it is really low. Check out this site: http://www.api.org/consumer/gaspricecharts.htm 1918 Gas prices were the highest in today's dollars at $2.82. Even recently in 1981 was $2.53. Gas is as cheap today as it was in the 50's and 60's! We've just been spoiled the last few years with abnormally low prices. Also think about those poor bastards in Europe paying $1-2/liter. They get hit twice with high taxes, and having weak currencies against the dollar (crude valued in $USD)! :0 -jeff ===== ->bike: '00 GSX-R750 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 01:31:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3K5V0U12179 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3240 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Apr 2001 05:30:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20010420053059.3239.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:30:59 -0500 Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle > was looking for a commuting vehicle. A great deal of DC_Cycles riders commute > on their bikes to save money and put a wee bit more than 3-5k miles a year on > their bikes (try 20k in some cases). Try 30+k miles/yr but frankly I doubt I'm saving any money at all. My car is been paid off since '99 and I get 350miles / 15gal of 87 octane in normal city/commute driving. Aside from it leaking oil out of every seal in the engine, it runs fine. My motorcycles have cost me $400/yr in insurance ($100 cheaper than cage) but I look at how much I've spent on helmets, leathers, cordura, Aerostich, tires, MSF class, consumables, luggage (Givi and Chase Harper), gas and meals consumed joy riding, workshop tools and a million other things and I come away with the distinct impression I'm hemoraging money. But I'm having a damn fun time, though. And I guess that makes it worth it. -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 01:36:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3K5afU12261 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4485 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Apr 2001 05:36:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20010420053640.4484.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:36:40 -0500 Subject: more on Palm GPS and MC's in addition to my earlier rant, you also need to upgrade the OS to v3.5.2. Otherwise the damn thing will continue to dump core. And another thing. since the maps are so big, you'll need a ton more storage space. Local outfit here in MD sells the axxPac (a German product) which retrofits the IIIe/x/xe series with a smartmedia card (like used in digital cameras, mp3 players). The media itself is $32 for 32mb which is simply amazing. Needless to say I'm a little more upbeat about the project. If you have the IIIe/x/xe before you load the software, upgrade your OS, do the ram test, add the Palm bug patch should you need it, patch the travel software with latest versions off the web, generate new maps, and then get around to using the GPS. I've been fighting with this all evening. It hasn't been very much fun. -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 06:54:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3203.mail.yahoo.com (web3203.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.200]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3KAsqU17897 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 06:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010420105451.18288.qmail@web3203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.200.32.33] by web3203.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:54:51 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:54:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Marhefsky Subject: LP Adjustable Folding Swing Arm stand - Cheap To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, anyone need an adjustable lockhart phillips folding swingam stand? $25 pick up in Arlington. I paid $100 for it and it's like new. Thanks! 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Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 07:22:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KBMBU18365 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (p59.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.187]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07693; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AE01C5B.3060605@radix.net> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:24:11 -0400 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "lisa@XXXXXX" CC: dccycles Subject: Re: gas mileage References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lisa@XXXXXX wrote: > the time I got excellent mileage was riding to and from Hagarstown with a > friend who was breaking in a ZX-11. Top speeds of 55 MPH, getting passed > left and right by mini-vans and everything else too! The shame of it all. :-) > our Suburban gets about 16 highway, we are thrilled with that. We sold > our Jeep which was much worse! The Suburban is not the daily commuter so > we like to think that as a family we're not too bad. I've even been > taking ride-on/Metro occasionally. Nothing like doing your sardine impression. ;-) -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 07:30:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KBUQU18521 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (p59.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.187]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12712; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AE01E4C.8060702@radix.net> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:32:28 -0400 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suzookus Maximus CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle References: <20010420034904.47410.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Suzookus Maximus wrote: > Anyhow -- I don't think a $1.60-80 is *that* bad -- > seeing that historically that it is really low. > > Check out this site: > > http://www.api.org/consumer/gaspricecharts.htm > > 1918 Gas prices were the highest in today's dollars at > $2.82. Even recently in 1981 was $2.53. Gas is as > cheap today as it was in the 50's and 60's! We've just > been spoiled the last few years with abnormally low > prices. which is what the market was dictating, until Opec yet again got involved and jacked up prices. I couldn't care less what gas cost in 1918, 1981 or any other year, I care what it costs now. And all that propaganda about 'it was actually more expensive back yonder counting for inflation' is only publicized to make us feel good about paying so much. Tweak the numbers more in the consumer's favor, and you come out with numbers that indicate regardless of inflation, last year were the highest gas prices in US history. This year is stacking up to be worse. > Also think about those poor bastards in Europe > paying $1-2/liter. The only thing I was thinking about Europeans yesterday was Cornwallis getting his ARSE handed to him at Yorktown (4-19 is Patriots Day). English citizens are subjects, they choose to live with their taxes that high. > They get hit twice with high taxes, > and having weak currencies against the dollar (crude > valued in $USD)! :0 All this means I'm going to be riding more, and letting the cages sit... -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 07:33:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KBXqU18532 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (p59.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.187]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13339; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AE01F19.7040009@radix.net> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:35:53 -0400 From: Dave Yates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more on Palm GPS and MC's References: <20010420053640.4484.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Patton wrote: > in addition to my earlier rant, you also need to upgrade the OS to v3.5.2. Otherwise the damn thing will continue to dump core. That's not a good way to start a trip :-) FWIW, I have the Garmin eMap, w/128 m memory cart. That give decent coverage, and I've used it on the bike, but not for navigational purposes ;-0 In the cage, it's great to know where you are, when the wife is bugging you to stop and ask for directions all the time... -- -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 07:54:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KBsvU18857 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj133739a ([24.15.184.123]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010420115445.HJFO12893.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj133739a> for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 04:54:45 -0700 Message-ID: <01ff01c0c990$7c012fa0$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> From: "Keith Lamond" To: References: <20010420053059.3239.qmail@theglobe.com> Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:53:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Matthew has a point here. If you only look at gas mileage, motorcycling instead of driving a cage looks like a great way to save money. However, motorcycling does have a high entry cost with the protective gear you need to buy. It would take several years at least to save enough money at the pump to make up for the ~$1,000 of safety equipment a person will pick up upon entering the sport. Now I'm not complaining that my bike gets ~40 mpg. But any savings on gas I make commuting on my bike I end up blowing on weekend bike trips. I ride my bike because I enjoy it much more than driving my car. >Try 30+k miles/yr but frankly I doubt I'm saving any money at all. My car is been paid >off since '99 and I get 350miles / 15gal of 87 octane in normal city/commute driving. >Aside from it leaking oil out of every seal in the engine, it runs fine. My motorcycles >have cost me $400/yr in insurance ($100 cheaper than cage) but I look at how much >I've spent on helmets, leathers, cordura, Aerostich, tires, MSF class, consumables, >luggage (Givi and Chase Harper), gas and meals consumed joy riding, workshop tools >and a million other things and I come away with the distinct impression I'm hemoraging >money. But I'm having a damn fun time, though. And I guess that makes it worth it. Keith 84 Nighthawk S 84 Magna V30 (The wife's) Reston VA ----------------------------------------------------------- Check out my Band's website: http://www.chaotika.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 08:14:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11506.mail.yahoo.com (web11506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3KCEhU19169 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010420121442.69994.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.7] by web11506.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 05:14:42 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 05:14:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle To: Genna Melamed , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0a6201c0c910$65970670$7d687b3f@gennapc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Genna Melamed wrote: > Most high performance engines hold up for about > 30K(that's about 6-10 years) > or less, so over life of bike(let's assume 30K) we > are talking about $500 > Your bike engines only last for 30K miles? What are you doing to them? Many people here including myself have bikes with over 30K miles that still run like brand new. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 09:08:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KD8eU20080 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadrash [192.9.200.199] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:05:21 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:06:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c0c99a$a961cf40$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 For commuting, you need to factor all the costs of a vehicle if you're purely looking for the cheapest way to get from here to there. Someone on this list (either Tom G. or Glenn) has really made the point well that an econobox cage would be much cheaper over the long run than any bike. First and foremost, tires on an econobox can get 80K miles and come in at less than $50/tire. Newer cages go 50-100K miles without a tuneup. Most cages now have oil change intervals approaching 10K miles. Add in lower insurance costs and the fact that they will get nearly 40 MPG on cheap gas, I don't think a bike can beat it. All bikes consume tires, chains, brake pads, valve adjustments, etc. etc. etc. way more than any modern cage. My beast of an F150 has 50K miles and still has all it's original equipment (besides filters of course). I expect it to go at least another 10K before tires and brake pads. And that's a cage that's hard on equipment. At 18K miles, my bike has eaten 5 sets of tires, 1 set brake pads. 3 valve adjustments/sets spark plugs. It currenty needs a new chain/sprockets, brake pads and is approaching valve interval. As far as pure mileage goes, my '95 ZX9R will get around 38 MPG while commuting. Keeping the revs down is key though. On a track day at Summit, I managed to get around 17 MPG (still better than my F150 :)). It's all in the right wrist, so I have my choice of mileage for the day. BTW, the argument that uses 3K miles/year and 30K motor lifespan is completely bogus. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 09:26:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13807.mail.yahoo.com (web13807.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3KDQKU20360 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010420132619.35763.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13807.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 06:26:19 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 06:26:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Paging VFR Lisa.... To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lisa, I lost your email address. Can you drop me a line please..... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 10:17:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KEHTU21207 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f3KEJGP29621; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:19:17 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "Jay St. Peter" , Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:19:16 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <000501c0c99a$a961cf40$c7c809c0@roadrash> In-Reply-To: <000501c0c99a$a961cf40$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042010191609.25731@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Jay St. Peter wrote: > For commuting, you need to factor all the costs of a vehicle if you're > purely looking for the cheapest way to get from here to there. You're making a bad comparison here though... how much did your truck cost? Even the cheapest econobox is going to set you back $12k new. I can get an EX500 or GS500 for around $4500 new (a comparible vehicle when applying a performance index - econobox to econobike). Even figuring in gear, oil, tires, etc, you're going to be hard pressed to make up the $7k difference. I can get Bridgestone BT010 tires for < $200 and they last 10k miles. Now move up to say... a nice mid-size car. $26k with all the trimmings. I can get a nice sport-tour VFR for $9k, and still afford the bolt-on luggage. A Porsche, on the other hand, is going to set me back... $70k for the base model 911. It eats tires. It sucks down gas. A Yamaha R1 can be had for $10k, and all the tires in the world won't make up $60k. The benefit to this is that you can ride the equivalent of a Porsche on an econobox budget... and that's pretty damn cool :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 10:23:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KENJU21315 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:23:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbIyMWykZOtB949/8yFiSjNyVZNuGDi+BUtXZIQnbEhmGa3mXhiUwg2 Received: from [63.123.104.125] (helo=gennapc) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14qbod-0000q7-00 ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:23:19 -0400 Message-ID: <0a9c01c0c9a5$72848c50$7d687b3f@gennapc> Reply-To: "Genna Melamed" From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Glenn Dysart" , References: <20010420121442.69994.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:23:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I feel I need to explain myself. 30K is obviously not a limit for an engine. It depends how you maintain it and how you ride the bike and also what kind of bike it is. My point is that people that buy things like R1, GSXR, CBR rarely keep the bike longer than that. If you ride hard, usually engine needs complete overhaul on those bikes around 30K miles to keep it running like new. And yes, I know there are bikes that have 200K on the original engine. As I noted before, my comments were not for people that commute every day 100miles, but more for "weekend riders" and short commuters. That is the most of bike population in US. Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Dysart" To: "Genna Melamed" ; Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 8:14 AM Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle > --- Genna Melamed wrote: > > > Most high performance engines hold up for about > > 30K(that's about 6-10 years) > > or less, so over life of bike(let's assume 30K) we > > are talking about $500 > > > > Your bike engines only last for 30K miles? What are > you doing to them? Many people here including myself > have bikes with over 30K miles that still run like > brand new. > > Glenn > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 10:35:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KEZgU21589 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EmergeOut@XXXXXX by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id 2.20.153614e0 (3847) for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:35:33 -0400 (EDT) From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Message-ID: <20.153614e0.2811a335@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:35:33 EDT Subject: HORKSTER To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_20.153614e0.2811a335_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 --part1_20.153614e0.2811a335_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Horkster, could you give me those sites you had to look up bikes for sale again. I know one is cycletrader.com. Thanks --part1_20.153614e0.2811a335_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Horkster, could you give me those sites you had to look up bikes for sale
again.  I know one is cycletrader.com.  Thanks --part1_20.153614e0.2811a335_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 11:23:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KFNdU22370 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadrash [192.9.200.199] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:18:25 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Subject: RE: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:19:10 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c0c9ad$40ea5c80$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01042010191609.25731@www.mostlyharmless.net> X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 > You're making a bad comparison here though... how much did > your truck cost? The reason I used my truck was purely as a comparison for cost of maintenance and consumables. I figure my truck is one of the most expensive cages in this area, far more than the econocage. Plus, it could've cost a hell of a lot less without leather etc. Then again, I could've bought a cheaper bike as well :) > > Even the cheapest econobox is going to set you back $12k new. > I can get an > EX500 or GS500 for around $4500 new (a comparible vehicle > when applying a > performance index - econobox to econobike). Even figuring in > gear, oil, > tires, etc, you're going to be hard pressed to make up the > $7k difference. I > can get Bridgestone BT010 tires for < $200 and they last 10k miles. Over 200K miles, you could make up $3400 just in tires. 20 sets for the EX (at your 10K/$200 set) yields $4K. The econcage could have 80K tires for around $200/set of nice 155R13s. So, say 3 sets at $600 for cage. The econocage will easily go 15 years and nearly 200K miles before I'd call it used up. But, I guess you could argue that an EX500 motor could be had for less than $1K. Hell, I guess some used EX's could be had for less than $1K :). Prolly have to call that a wash since econocage will probably need a transmission rebuild somewhere along the way. But, the EX will need 26 valve adjustments (every 7.5K) over 200K miles, plus probably 13 sets of spark plugs. If one was not inclined to do ones own adjustments, you'd lose there. The cage would need 2 or 3 tune ups at a similar cost. Even if you did your own, you'd still lose big here. I'd say other consumables like batteries/exhaust/brakes etc. would all come out a slight advantage to the cage. The cage needing far less of them, but at slightly (not much) greater cost each time. Plus, I'm not even counting how many jackets/helmets/gloves/boots you would go through. I'm trying to keep it to the merits of the vehicle itself. Yep, the $7K difference would be hard to make up. But, in the end it would probably be pretty damn close. My accounting gives the slight advantage to the cage for the non-mechanic. > >The benefit to this is > that you can ride the equivalent of a Porsche on an econobox > budget... and > that's pretty damn cool :) > > - Roach > No argument here. Well, I guess this thread started because someone wanted a fuel efficient bike. Unless gas prices keep going up and up, that's the least of the costs associated with most bikes. Plus, riding is about fun. If it was purely for cost/mile, you're better off getting a bike with less maintenance costs. Maybe a thumper with conversion to use touring tires :) Jay From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 11:27:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KFRPU22450 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GC300F1YK6ZFG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:25:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GC300F01K6KO0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:25:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GC300F07K6DM8@XXXXXX>; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:25:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:24:18 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle To: Glenn Dysart Cc: Genna Melamed , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AE054A2.63749443@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010420121442.69994.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> Glenn Dysart wrote: > Your bike engines only last for 30K miles? What are > you doing to them? Many people here including myself > have bikes with over 30K miles that still run like > brand new. I don't think the transmission on my Concours got fully broken in until 30,000 miles. Still shifts great now, past 60,000. The motor should be good for 200,000 by all counts. Might have to swap out the cam CHAIN once or twice, but that's about it. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 11:52:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from webmailmta.go.com ([204.202.140.198]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KFqPU22906 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gomailjtp04 (jtp04.seamail.go.com [10.212.0.164]) by mta06.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.10.12.16.25.p8) with ESMTP id <0GC300LOKL82JE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:47:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Subject: To: mlundquist@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <5739377.987781651916.JavaMail.Arlington22201@gomailjtp04> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have the Darien pants, and am happy with them generally. On the plus side, they are waterproof, and they slip on easily over my work pants or jeans (zippers all the way up the sides). For protection they include special dual-density knee armor and are made of heavy weight Cordura. There are no vents per se, but on hot days you can snap the ankle closed, and undo the side zippers a little bit to get airflow. On the minus side, they're a little stiff until broken in (but fine now), they lack hip armor (available as an option, but sure to be bulky) and are a little slippery on the bike seat. Aaron '98 T509 Speed Triple (the "Maui-cycle") ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 12:01:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KG18U23089 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:01:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYWbxKDgOqRLkmbWpnApSDi4l8tCLd1dKnJFwluyqMpv6+vcn8PyZ28 Received: from [63.123.104.125] (helo=gennapc) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14qdLH-00042Q-00 ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:01:07 -0400 Message-ID: <0ad001c0c9b3$1c310f00$7d687b3f@gennapc> Reply-To: "Genna Melamed" From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Glenn Dysart" Cc: References: <20010420121442.69994.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> <3AE054A2.63749443@home.com> Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:01:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Dale, I think you missed my point entirely, I was talking about sport bikes Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Horstman" To: "Glenn Dysart" Cc: "Genna Melamed" ; Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > Your bike engines only last for 30K miles? What are > > you doing to them? Many people here including myself > > have bikes with over 30K miles that still run like > > brand new. > > I don't think the transmission on my Concours got > fully broken in until 30,000 miles. Still shifts great > now, past 60,000. The motor should be good for > 200,000 by all counts. Might have to swap out the > cam CHAIN once or twice, but that's about it. > > -- > Mandatory second line (CM tm) > > Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes > From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 12:18:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f235.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.235]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KGI9U23370 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:06:45 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:06:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: nighthawk700@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smoke! Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:06:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2001 16:06:45.0327 (UTC) FILETIME=[E582FDF0:01C0C9B3] On the way to lunch yesterday in Herndon, I passed a small shop/place/hole in the wall, that had a Kaw and Artic Cat sign on the front of it, but didn't get the name. They are on the left side of Old Ox Road going towards Herndon. No idea who they are, but could be worth a look. Rob '98 VFR800 >until June, so I may have to just bring the bike in to a shop to have them >take >care of it. The mechanics from my old shop moved to another place, one >that >won't work on Kawasakis (PowerRide, seem to be bitter that Kawasaki revoked >their franchise) so I'll have to bring it to a new place. I'm thinking >Bailies >Crossroad Cycles, as they aren't too far, and I've heard them mentioned >positively on the list before... any comments on them? > >Thanks, > >Louis _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 12:18:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web905.mail.yahoo.com (web905.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.80]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3KGIGU23373 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18601 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2001 16:18:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20010420161815.18600.qmail@web905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web905.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:18:15 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:18:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010420121442.69994.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > Your bike engines only last for 30K miles? What are > you doing to them? Umm, I'm not sure, but my guess would be that many folks simply haven't seen a motorcycle engine with more than 30K on it. It's a good number to use, since that's a number that's way out there where no normal person would go. Leon (abnormal) ZX6 - 50Kmiles EX250 - 100K miles (with 3 engines) and badly abused. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 13:38:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KHcnU24640 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GC300IOPQ51LJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:34:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GC300A01Q4UN9@XXXXXX>; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:34:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GC300A39Q4H7F@XXXXXX>; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:33:53 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:32:46 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle To: "Jay St. Peter" Cc: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AE072BE.236D6158@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <000701c0c9ad$40ea5c80$c7c809c0@roadrash> "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > But, the EX will need 26 valve adjustments (every 7.5K) over 200K miles, > plus probably 13 sets of spark plugs. 13 sets? Do smaller bikes really go through spark plugs that fast? Do new plugs really make that much of a difference? My original spark plugs still look good at 60,000 miles. Maybe I'll consider changing them sometime...maybe not. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 13:42:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KHgNU24727 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GC300JQKQHE2O@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:41:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GC300D01QG3TS@XXXXXX>; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:41:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GC300AK8QFZXM@XXXXXX>; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:40:47 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:39:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle To: Genna Melamed Cc: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AE0745C.6C6CBBA@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010420121442.69994.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> <3AE054A2.63749443@XXXXXX> <0ad001c0c9b3$1c310f00$7d687b3f@gennapc> Genna Melamed wrote: > > Dale, > > I think you missed my point entirely, I was talking about sport bikes > Hey, my Connie may be old-tech, but it's still essentially a bored out GPZ900 motor. Read about someone with 200,000 miles on a Honda early 90's CBR900. I think (at least hope) you could wring the snot out of a typical liter class sport-bike engine and still have it last a lot longer than 30k. Dale -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 14:28:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KISiU25490 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-162.patriot.net [209.249.180.162]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3KISdg08557; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:28:40 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE07E7E.D7F42066@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:22:55 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Genna Melamed , Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle References: <20010420121442.69994.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> <3AE054A2.63749443@XXXXXX> <0ad001c0c9b3$1c310f00$7d687b3f@gennapc> <3AE0745C.6C6CBBA@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > Hey, my Connie may be old-tech, but it's still essentially > a bored out GPZ900 motor. Read about someone with 200,000 > miles on a Honda early 90's CBR900. I think (at least hope) > you could wring the snot out of a typical liter class sport-bike > engine and still have it last a lot longer than 30k. > I would heartily agree. A tech-mech I knew back in the `80s was turbocharging bikes and claimed 80K before even thinking about top end work. My poor UJM 550 had to wind it's doo-dads off to crank down the hiwy and it wuz still tight with much more'n 30K on it. Methinks someone who toasts a jap engine in 30K ought to consider using an air filter, oil filter, and changing oil now and again. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 14:36:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KIaTU25639 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-63.s63.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.63] helo=66.44.44.63) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14qfla-00030j-00 ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:36:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE081D4.383C@starpower.net> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:37:07 -0400 From: Paul Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-SP32599 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle References: <000701c0c9ad$40ea5c80$c7c809c0@roadrash> <3AE072BE.236D6158@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > > "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > > > But, the EX will need 26 valve adjustments (every 7.5K) over 200K miles, > > plus probably 13 sets of spark plugs. > > 13 sets? Do smaller bikes really go through spark plugs that fast? > Do new plugs really make that much of a difference? My original > spark plugs still look good at 60,000 miles. Maybe I'll consider > changing them sometime...maybe not. > > Horkster > I dunno. I change them every 8-10K miles on the Nighthawk. It runs noticeably better after doing so. They're cheap and consumable. We've had this econobox v. bike argument before, but most people lurch uncontrollably into an apples to oranges comparison. Right now I own a bike and a car of the same vintage and about the same durability and quality. Neither is a blazing sportster. Comparing an econobox cage beater to a lovingly maintained, accessorized out the wazoo, late model sportbike is not an accurate comparison. Let's see: I can drive my beater '91 Jetta to work or the bike. Insurance is about $1000 a year on the cage (no thanks to Mrs. Leadfoot!), maintenance about $750-1000 last year (needed new CV joints, brakes, exhaust, that's a helluva lot of parts for a '91 Nighthawk, folks. Of course mechanic's labor is free on the bike). Compare that to the Nighthawk. $200 for full coverage insurance, about $300 in parts (new chain and sprockets, plugs, filters, oil, brake pads, battery) to keep it going and a new set of tires (~$200) every year. Fuel is a pretty small percentage of the cost, but in city traffic the cage gets lousy mileage. We probably pay, on a per mile basis, twice as much for gas in the cage as on the bike. As for buying oodles of gear, that's personal choice. You can get decent boots, helmet, gloves, and a used Aerostich (don't need umpteen outfits and perfed Vanson leathers for basic transportation) for about $800. Add another $250 for electric garments for cold weather. That's about a grand. You can also get a very reliable shaft drive mid-80's Nighthawk for less than a grand. That's a better comparison to a beater econobox. 2 grand for a decent bike and a fully protected rider and weekend jollies to boot. Care to speculate what kind of POS car you can pick up for two large? Care to take said POS car for "fun" drives in the mountains? Of course all this is largely moot, because I'm buying a 95 VFR to be my sole bike, so all practicality/frugality arguments just went out the window. :) In the final analysis, I do this because I love it. If I really wanted to save money, I'd ride my bicycle to work (did that for five months back in 1999) but the motorcycle is just more fun. My bicycle is the back up if there's downtime on the MC. The Nighthawk has been super reliable though. I just think of how I would feel being a lemming in a cage and on the Metro and I really don't care if I have to spend three or four times more go to work on my bike. Bikes can be incredibly practical in the city. You can squirt through traffic, park anywhere, but for me that's not the primary motivation. If it weren't fun, I wouldn't do it. The drive to and from work is sometimes the best part of my day, including the occasional "scenic" route. Paul in DC 91 CB750 (for sale) 95 VFR705F (coming soon!) From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 14:39:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KIdnU25668 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3KIdhP14153 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:39:43 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010420143653.0241d410@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:39:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Last of my Manassas Honda business Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Manassas Honda has had my bike for 12 days for a clutch and RR repair. The RR took one day. The clutch parts still haven't arrived. When I complain about this, they say "Well, we have a big open house tomorrow, so I can't give you an answer" Think I'll swing by the open house and warn some people how crappy their service department can be. What a perfect opportunity. If a car dealership had my car for 12 days, they would get sued. But somehow bike shops think they can get away with it. Why? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA A PETA protester accosted me with,"Don't you know a cow was murdered for that jacket?" I said "I didn't know there were any witnesses. Now I'll have to kill you too." From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 14:59:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A0F6.pix.aol.com [152.163.160.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KIxAU26025 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nawt.office.aol.com (nawt.office.aol.com [10.0.31.252]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15960; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by nawt.office.aol.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3KJ35c19747; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:03:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: nawt.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:03:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Paper X-X-Sender: To: Troutman cc: Subject: Re: Last of my Manassas Honda business In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010420143653.0241d410@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Troutman wrote: > Manassas Honda has had my bike for 12 days for a clutch and RR repair. The > RR took one day. The clutch parts still haven't arrived. When I complain > about this, they say "Well, we have a big open house tomorrow, so I can't > give you an answer" > > Think I'll swing by the open house and warn some people how crappy their > service department can be. What a perfect opportunity. > > If a car dealership had my car for 12 days, they would get sued. But > somehow bike shops think they can get away with it. Why? Because Manassas Honda SUCKS. I bought a bike from them on consignment, which in this case meant neither they nor the actual owner had the title. Some company did. After 2 months (and 2 sets of temp tags) they STILL didn't have my title, so I had to take the bike off the road. It took the bike shop ANOTHER 2 FULL MONTHS to get me my title. At the same time, I traded a current bike in, and it took them the SAME 4 months to figure out they did all of the paperwork wrong for my trade in, and couldn't give the title to the new owner until they sent me a bunch of new paperwork. What a royal pain in the ass. I'll never deal with them again, nor will I ever give ANYONE a recommendation to do anythign there other than badmouth them. They suck. On a side note - the people working behind the retail desk can't seem to find their ass with both hands and GPS. During the same period of time as my bike title problems happened, a friend of mine attempted to buy/order a particular set of riding glasses _3_ times from them, each time pointing to the picture/info for the glasses in the catalog, and they continued to order the wrong ones repeatedly. Guess this is what you get when you insist on hiring nothign but 16 year olds who are still high from their lunch break at school. Let me know if you want company badmouthing them on Saturday, I may show up with a bullhorn :) Happily, I live in Sterling, and a new shop opened up not too long ago, Rhodes Kawasaki off of Old Ox road. Run by a couple of brothers who man the shop the entire time, they seem to still care about their customers. -dave From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 15:11:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KJBbU26222 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3KJBUP14253 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:11:30 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010420150448.0241d070@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:11:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Last of my Manassas Honda business In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010420143653.0241d410@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I see I touched a nerve ;-) The clutch plate in fact has arrived, but they are putting me off until the 28th due to their busy appointment schedule. This despite the fact that they will have had my bike 21 days at that point. I asked to pick it up, but they said they would try and complete the repairs during this week, and picking it up would only delay the repairs. So at this point I say, "Well, you may not have needed the clutch plates to do the repair. You told me you wouldn't replace them if they were ok, right. It might only need a set of springs." A stutter response. Then, "I'm not going in there and then not replacing the clutch plates on a bike with 27k on it." Fair enough, as long as nothing else is replaced that shouldn't be. My guess is that their plan is to buy and install every possible part whether it needs replacing or not. At least that may have been their plan. They may think twice about it now that I have inquired twice. Regardless, I am just pissed off because I haven't had my bike for so long. MH will bare the brunt of my PMS. At 03:03 PM 4/20/01, you wrote: >Because Manassas Honda SUCKS. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The diner asked,"I was wondering how you prepare your chickens." "Oh, it's nothing too special, sir," the waiter confided. "We just tell them straight out that they're going to die." From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 15:33:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3KJXHU26632 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 14575 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2001 12:33:08 -0700 Date: 20 Apr 2001 12:33:07 -0700 Message-ID: <20010420193307.14574.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 20 Apr 2001 19:33:07 GMT Received: from [63.65.30.88] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 20 Apr 2001 12:33:07 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.1.5 X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Subject: we be grillin' at summit Ok, as far as I know, for those of you who are going to summit this weekend, Roach is bringing his full-sized grill...so, if you bring food, you have somewhere to grill (for a small fee of a beer...LOL) I will be collecting the payment (shhhh...don't tell Brian!) Just kidding... Anyways...see you there! Just look for the pit with the DC Cycles banner on it. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 15:36:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KJaDU26711 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GC300JDYVRUJI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:35:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GC300N01VRM2H@XXXXXX>; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:35:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GC300LB6VR3EW@XXXXXX>; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:35:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:34:20 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle To: Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AE08F3C.BA62100F@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200104192301.f3JN1L705503@dirty.meretrix.com> <000401c0c939$f60649e0$bc5c2c42@c9rnf01> Todd Peer wrote: > > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:08:17 -0400 > From: Dale Horstman > Subject: Re: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle > To: Ricardo Pontes > Cc: Dccycles > X-Accept-Language: en > > Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > I would like to know the fuel efficiency of > > motorcycles like Honda Blackbird, zx11 etc.. Those are very powerful bikes > > with big motors capable of achieving high speeds that my bike could only > > hope to. > > I've heard the ST1100 gets pretty good gas mileage (45+ during > normal use) for a bike it's size and weight (tweak, tweak) :) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I'm listening. > > Best ever mileage with cruise-control at sustained 70mph on I70 and vicious > cross-wind, 328 miles - 7.4gals, (ST1100). Yep, I'm envious of the mileage the ST gets. > Worst ever at sustained smiley faces, vicious corner attacks and a serious > need for speed? 98miles, 4.2gals and then out came the spare fuel bottle > (VTR) I won't deny being envious of this too. Bet that was serious fun! Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 15:39:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KJdeU26751 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GC300KOIVMRYN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:32:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GC300L01VM2EM@XXXXXX>; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:32:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GC300GPOVLY6M@XXXXXX>; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:32:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:31:16 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Last of my Manassas Honda business To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3AE08E84.9B5AC1DC@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010420143653.0241d410@mail.wheatintl.com> <5.0.2.1.2.20010420150448.0241d070@XXXXXX> Troutman wrote: > > I see I touched a nerve ;-) > > The clutch plate in fact has arrived, but they are putting me off until the > 28th due to their busy appointment schedule. This despite the fact that > they will have had my bike 21 days at that point. This was the same shop that had my bike for 20something days last Fall, before they finally admitted the oil cooler they had ordered was on back order and they had no idea when it was coming in. Before that, every time I asked, it was always "another couple of days, we'll have it ready". This was after I had stressed to them that this bike was my daily transportation and I really wanted as minimal downtime as possible. If they were upfront with me, I'd have been much happier riding around waiting for the part to arrive, than driving the cage and wondering when I would be getting my bike back. > I asked to pick it up, but they said they would try and complete the > repairs during this week, and picking it up would only delay the repairs. Some places just don't understand. Most places just don't understand. I guess dedicated riders like us are just not the norm as far as customers go. Hope you get the bike back soon. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 2 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 15:50:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com [207.46.181.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KJoXU27005 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavilion ([63.15.236.79]) by cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:50:26 -0700 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: RE: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:54:08 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <01041923012407.25731@www.mostlyharmless.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2001 19:50:27.0346 (UTC) FILETIME=[25A88F20:01C0C9D3] Is there such a thing as a hybrid electric motorcycle? I was chatting with a fellow who rode a ratty ol Yamaha and he mentioned that he had a friend that was building an electric goldwing. Sounds neat. I think i also heard of a production electric motorcycle that is for sale. Anyone know any details. I think i am more intersted in powerful bikes that get good milage. Some people in the group mentioned that the Honda Blackbird gets around 38mpg, and now i am a bit reluctant to buy one, i like the performance aspect of it, but i would also like to know i could get more miles out of them. I dont believe i got into motorcycling for the wrong reasons, i used to bicycle to school and to work all the time. I decided to do longer distances and meanwhile have a little fun. Motorcycles are neat toys to have, but i never knew it would cost so much. Maintenance on my bicycle was a breeze and cheap :) Ricardo Pontes 1998 Triumph Tiger From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 15:55:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h009.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.173]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3KJswU27016 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 17226 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2001 12:54:52 -0700 Date: 20 Apr 2001 12:54:52 -0700 Message-ID: <20010420195452.17225.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 20 Apr 2001 19:54:52 GMT Received: from [63.65.30.88] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 20 Apr 2001 12:54:52 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: mike@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.1.5 Subject: Re: Last of my Manassas Honda business X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX On Fri, 20 April 2001, Troutman wrote: MH will bare the brunt of my PMS. > oooooh no no no...no man can ever claim PMS...that is our (women) right and our right only ;-) tee hee hee...if I were you, I'd purchase the clutch plate from them, pick up your bike,and get the hell out of that place. the 28th to pick up your bike? I bet I could buy a manual and figure out how to fix it myself by then...what the hell are they doing? LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 15:59:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KJxKU27105 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3KJxEP14399 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:59:14 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010420155754.0241e4d0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:59:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: PMS In-Reply-To: <20010420195452.17225.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:54 PM 4/20/01, LAURA GRANATO wrote: >MH will bare the brunt of my PMS. > > >oooooh no no no...no man can ever claim PM Sorry - that is an understood VFR list acronym. Pre Motorcycle Syndrome Primarily used by fair weather riders that anticipate Spring. It is accompanied by bloating a extreme tension ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The diner asked,"I was wondering how you prepare your chickens." "Oh, it's nothing too special, sir," the waiter confided. "We just tell them straight out that they're going to die." From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 16:12:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KKCHU27408 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-162.patriot.net [209.249.180.162]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3KKCBg29717; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:12:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE096C1.D875F124@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:06:25 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Paper CC: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Last of my Manassas Honda business References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Paper wrote: > I bought a bike from them on consignment, which in this case meant neither > they nor the actual owner had the title. Some company did. After 2 months > (and 2 sets of temp tags) they STILL didn't have my title, so I had to > take the bike off the road. It took the bike shop ANOTHER 2 FULL MONTHS > to get me my title. At the same time, I traded a current bike in, and it > took them the SAME 4 months to figure out they did all of the paperwork > wrong for my trade in, and couldn't give the title to the new owner until > they sent me a bunch of new paperwork. Two temp tags? Last time I checked, that was illegal. Temp tags exist because a dealer usually floor plans merchendise and has to pay off the bank note to retrieve the title and obtain hard tags. To *use* the money the dealer waits until the last second to pay the note and get the tags To protect the customer, there's a caveat on the temp tag - only ONE can be issued, and if the dealer cannot supply title and/or tag at the end of the temp tag run, the customer can turn in the vehicle and get a FULL refund including taxes and silly dealer fees. When I bought my used on consignment Harley I left with a temp tag and the title, obtaining the tags myself. Hard to believe one would fiddle-dick around for four monthes without getting a title to a vehicle they've purchased. Grow some consumer balls! Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 16:20:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from host26.cedant.com (host26.cedant.com [209.239.37.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KKKKU27599 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chris (66-2-186-193.customer.algx.net [66.2.186.193]) by host26.cedant.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f3KKKI107408; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:20:18 -0400 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Ricardo Pontes" , Subject: RE: fuel efficiency on a motorcycle Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:19:53 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Why not look into an Aprilia Enjoy? It seems it's a new electric hybrid bicycle. http://www.apriliaenjoy.com/ Chris Weaver VTR, YSR, dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: Ricardo Pontes [mailto:ricardopontes@XXXXXX] I dont believe i got into motorcycling for the wrong reasons, i used to bicycle to school and to work all the time. I decided to do longer distances and meanwhile have a little fun. Motorcycles are neat toys to have, but i never knew it would cost so much. Maintenance on my bicycle was a breeze and cheap :) Ricardo Pontes 1998 Triumph Tiger From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 16:20:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A0F6.pix.aol.com [152.163.160.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KKKgU27610 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nawt.office.aol.com (nawt.office.aol.com [10.0.31.252]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA22257; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by nawt.office.aol.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3KKOa819932; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:24:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: nawt.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:24:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Paper X-X-Sender: To: "William J. Huson" cc: Troutman , Subject: Re: Last of my Manassas Honda business In-Reply-To: <3AE096C1.D875F124@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, William J. Huson wrote: > Two temp tags? Last time I checked, that was illegal. Temp tags exist because > a dealer usually floor plans merchendise and has to pay off the bank note to > retrieve the title and obtain hard tags. To *use* the money the dealer waits > until the last second to pay the note and get the tags To protect the customer, > there's a caveat on the temp tag - only ONE can be issued, and if the dealer > cannot supply title and/or tag at the end of the temp tag run, the customer can > turn in the vehicle and get a FULL refund including taxes and silly dealer fees. ACK. Wish I had known that :/ -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Network Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on computers and drugs are both called "users". --Unknown From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 16:22:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from chicken.mail.pas.earthlink.net (chicken.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KKMgU27614 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dns1 (sdn-ar-002dcwashP138.dialsprint.net [168.191.20.202]) by chicken.mail.pas.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA29686; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001c01c0c9d7$bb9ffd70$4a8dee8a@winternett.com> Reply-To: "Mbrodie" From: "Mbrodie" To: , References: <200104201848.NAA22482@jeeves.cs.wisc.edu> Subject: Why are there no squids in movies???? Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:23:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hey my fellow people, I just had a perplexin' revelation' of sorts or somethin: Why are there no squiddy action scenes on bikes in popular movies? The last two movies I remember with bikes in them were "Bait" with Jaimee Fox, and "Art Of War" with Wesley Snipes. They had great looking bikes in just one shot but no action scenes, much less no stunts at all. What the heck is goin on here? I have seen multiple whack knock offs of "Matrix" wannabe movies but no motorcycle stunts in the movies when there are ample squids (unlike myself) in DC here who would love to be gainfully employed in a movie stuntman role. I remember there was some bike action in "Blade" with Wesley snipes, but that was indoors and cut too quickly. Its the only thing that made MI2 bearable, and I think its what sold MI2's tickets....C'mon, I wanna see some Kung-Fu and motorcycle stunts dammit!!!!! Testosterone Movies Kick Ass GRRRRRAAAAHHH (Roid Rage)!!!! Lets start a trend, if you wanna do stunts, get paid for it, and/or be safe about it. I laugh every time a kid in a car pulls up next to me askin me to do stunts. I show them how well I can ride the bike with one hand while giving them the middle finger lesson. I play minstrel for noone.....unless I get paid.....usually. P.S. the B&N at Rt355 in Rockville MD was PACKED! with bikes last weekend, there was a stunt show and weenie roast (- weenie roast) I think we are goin up to the races this weekend but feel free to roll by the spot and help us with our radical takeover. I promise there will be lots of good looking chicks (that can read) there.........and coffee........and books with pictures for those of you who can't read. Winterman Music Producer/Programmer Free Techno Music: http://www.mp3.com/winterman winternett@XXXXXX Y2K (Yellow) VFR Lots of crap on it. 2001 Toyota Sequoia (SUV) Lots of crap in it. From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 16:27:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KKReU27706 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norc (dial195.king-george.246.crosslink.net [207.199.164.242]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id QAA12027 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:27:31 -0400 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010420162215.00d0d620@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:27:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Smoke! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed That's Rhoad's Kawasaki. Owned and run by two brothers I'm told. They have a minimal website at www.rhoadscycles.com/ Andrew '90 EX500 At 12:06 PM 4/20/01 , you wrote: >On the way to lunch yesterday in Herndon, I passed a small shop/place/hole >in the wall, that had a Kaw and Artic Cat sign on the front of it, but >didn't get the name. They are on the left side of Old Ox Road going >towards Herndon. No idea who they are, but could be worth a look. > >Rob >'98 VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 16:27:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.ne.smtp.psi.net (relay1.ne.smtp.psi.net [38.9.153.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KKReU27707 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay1.ne.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14qhVD-0004wv-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:27:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:28 -0500 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Water Wetter Message-ID: <20010420162631845-10954869@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anybody know where I can get Water Wetter for an upcoming CSS school? Either locally (NOT powerride) or 'net will be fine. TIA Keep the shiny side up! R '00 ZX-9R Voodoo '96 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 16:31:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KKVeU27812 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-87-227.s608.tnt4.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.87.227] helo=66.44.45.219) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14qhZ4-0002c2-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:31:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE09C52.63C5@starpower.net> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:30:09 -0400 From: Paul Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-SP32599 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Last of my Manassas Honda business References: <20010420195452.17225.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > On Fri, 20 April 2001, Troutman wrote: > > MH will bare the brunt of my PMS. > > > oooooh no no no...no man can ever claim PMS...that is our (women) right and our right only ;-) tee hee hee...if I were you, I'd purchase the clutch plate from them, pick up your bike,and get the hell out of that place. the 28th to pick up your bike? I bet I could buy a manual and figure out how to fix it myself by then...what the hell are they doing? > > LAG > I lay claim to PMS - Parked Motorcycle Syndrome. Usually occurs only in the winter months, during a spate of bad weather. I hope clutches on VFRs are a reasonable DIY item. It's one of the things I enjoy about motorcycles. Gave up doing DIY maintenance on cages two cars ago. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 16:38:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from host26.cedant.com (host26.cedant.com [209.239.37.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KKcSU27947 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chris (66-2-186-193.customer.algx.net [66.2.186.193]) by host26.cedant.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f3KKcO118828; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:38:24 -0400 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Rob Bell" , Subject: RE: Water Wetter Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:37:58 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20010420162631845-10954869@watsonwyatt.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I imagine Fast Lane Cycles in Chantilly would have it. They're heavy into the racing scene. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR, dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bell [mailto:Rob_Bell@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 5:28 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Water Wetter Anybody know where I can get Water Wetter for an upcoming CSS school? Either locally (NOT powerride) or 'net will be fine. TIA Keep the shiny side up! R '00 ZX-9R Voodoo '96 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 16:41:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu11.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu11.email.msn.com [207.46.181.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KKfgU27976 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavilion ([63.36.105.169]) by cpimssmtpu11.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:41:36 -0700 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: Leather Gear/Motorcycle Attire Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:45:17 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2001 20:41:36.0859 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B3B12B0:01C0C9DA] Dc-Cycles Im thinking of buying some leather gear this summer. I do not know much about motorcycle leather gear, but i would like to buy something that is good quality. I hear that Vanson makes good leather gear. I bought 2 joe rocket leather pants back when i was just starting to ride, and returned them both because of the zippers breaking. This made me reevaluate joe rocket gear. Just about every piece that i ride is Joe rocket, it was the price that made me get it, plus it was just about the only thing they had in the store. I own the Joe rocket Tahoe jacket (350$) , good jacket but the quality is not very good, its not waterproof as they say, water seeps in through the ventilation closures, buttons are falling off, and stiches are starting to come undone. My joe rocket boots are pretty much worthless (100$), the velcro parts are falling off, i had to stich them back on, they are totally not waterproof, they have no protection at all, my work boots have more protection. My joe rocket ballistic pants 3.0 are very unconfortable and in warm weather make your legs stick to the pants due to sweat. Good thing about the 3.0 pants is that they are waterproof pants and come off easy. I would much rather trade all of that for good leather that will last me a life time, i am very intersted in durability and safety when riding. Anyone have any advice on leather gear or in gear in particular. I would like something that can be worn all year round in different temperatures. I do not want to go with cordura. I would recommend Alpinestars pants. I bought them for 300$ and they are great. They have protection in the knees. They are the warmest pants i ever used, the insulation comes off to use in the summer. They are very confortable. Ricardo Pontes 1998 Triumph Tiger From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 16:50:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3KKoKU28228 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010420205019.13173.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.197] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:50:19 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:50:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Water Wetter To: Rob Bell , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: <20010420162631845-10954869@watsonwyatt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii don't know about water wetter, but distilled water works just fine and any hardware or auto parts store would have it --- Rob Bell wrote: > Anybody know where I can get Water Wetter for an upcoming > CSS school? Either > locally (NOT powerride) or 'net will be fine. TIA > > Keep the shiny side up! ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 17:00:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net [64.8.20.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KL0bU28409 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d478406837 ([216.174.23.39]) by smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GC3ZOJ00.VP9; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:00:19 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Rob Bell" , Subject: RE: Water Wetter Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:59:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010420162631845-10954869@watsonwyatt.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal I just picked up a bottle at Loudoun Motor Sports last week. Gary Foreman mailto:fj1100@XXXXXX T-Shirts http://www.fj1100.com/r1/r1tshirt.htm -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bell [mailto:Rob_Bell@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 4:28 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Water Wetter Anybody know where I can get Water Wetter for an upcoming CSS school? Either locally (NOT powerride) or 'net will be fine. TIA Keep the shiny side up! R '00 ZX-9R Voodoo '96 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 17:00:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f3KL0sU28412 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:00:07 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:58:41 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , , Subject: RE: Water Wetter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f3KL4uU28413 On the subject of Water Wetter, I think you can mix a little into your existing coolant and get better cooling Has anyone tried this? George Cole VFR R6 >>> "Christopher Weaver" 04/20/01 10:37AM >>> I imagine Fast Lane Cycles in Chantilly would have it. They're heavy into the racing scene. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR, dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bell [mailto:Rob_Bell@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 5:28 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Water Wetter Anybody know where I can get Water Wetter for an upcoming CSS school? Either locally (NOT powerride) or 'net will be fine. TIA Keep the shiny side up! R '00 ZX-9R Voodoo '96 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 20 17:32:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f3KLWsU28960 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.9.) id r.62.dea8991 (15870); Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web36.aolmail.aol.com (web36.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.12]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.37) with ESMTP; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:32:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:32:31 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leather Gear/Motorcycle Attire