From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 1 11:29:08 2001 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:29:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Daylight Savings To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- EmergeOut@XXXXXX wrote: > Ladies and Gentleman, Boys and Girls, Don't forget > to set your clock an hour > forward! > Yeah, it sucks. Bad enough working 12.5 hour days. I spend more time at work than at home. Now I got one less hour last night, but the guys I relieved when I came to work, got to work one less hour. :( Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 1 13:00:19 2001 From: CBRKittyCat@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:00:05 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 3/31/01 7:02:50 PM EST, dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX writes: << I will be back in the US on April 12 and hope to have a few days to prepare the racebikes for Summit on 4/21. >> very cool, we seem to be getting quite a group going to the wera races on the 21st of this month. i'm going to the emergency school and cornerworking both days.....on my free time i'll definitely stop by the dc cycles tent and say my hellos but i hear that i'm going to be kept quite busy. please, no one get hurt....i don't like seeing bikers crash or get hurt :*( horrible horrible site. GOOD LUCK TO ALL! i'll be cornerworking every wera but attending (as spectator) every ccs. does dc-cycles only do wera???? sam From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 1 13:36:36 2001 From: RoyalMonarch@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:36:28 EDT Subject: Question for all To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_f9.8a45628.27f8c11c_boundary Greetings Ladies and Gents! Does any one know where the DC Police Impound is located? I hear it through the grapevine that they auction off motorcycles there. Besides the DC Impound does anyone know any other place where bikes may be auctioned? Thanks for your time. RIDE ON BROTHERS AND SISTERS. B. Banks need 4 speed Honda CBR600f3 --part1_f9.8a45628.27f8c11c_boundary Greetings Ladies and Gents!  Does any one know where the DC Police Impound is
located?  I hear it through the grapevine that they auction off motorcycles
there.  Besides the DC Impound does anyone know any other place where bikes
may be auctioned?  Thanks for your time. RIDE ON BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

B. Banks
need 4 speed
Honda CBR600f3 --part1_f9.8a45628.27f8c11c_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 1 14:39:32 2001 From: "Chris Weaver" To: , Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:39:10 -0500 Hell, no! DC-cycles now does EARA as well. (YSR50 racing up in Monrovia, Maryland near Frederick) I will be upholding the DCC racing tradition at that venue. Our first race at Monrovia will be on May 20 (the same day as Bike Night). All list members are welcome to spectate - there is no charge as usual. Chris Weaver EARA #24 P.S. We also race in New York, but I doubt anyone on the list wants to go all the way up there to watch YSR racing. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:00 PM Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 > does dc-cycles only do wera???? From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 1 15:26:11 2001 From: "Ahalan" To: "'Chris Weaver'" , Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:24:49 -0700 Hey Chris, Let us know when and where and maybe some of us can make it - possibly even NY (I just love that town). Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 11:39 AM To: CBRKittyCat@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 Hell, no! DC-cycles now does EARA as well. (YSR50 racing up in Monrovia, Maryland near Frederick) I will be upholding the DCC racing tradition at that venue. Our first race at Monrovia will be on May 20 (the same day as Bike Night). All list members are welcome to spectate - there is no charge as usual. Chris Weaver EARA #24 P.S. We also race in New York, but I doubt anyone on the list wants to go all the way up there to watch YSR racing. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:00 PM Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 > does dc-cycles only do wera???? From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 1 17:09:12 2001 From: "Chris Weaver" To: Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 17:08:48 -0400 Thanks for the support, Niv. Actually it's in upstate New York. I'll put out details when the time comes. Chris EARA#24 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ahalan To: 'Chris Weaver' ; Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 6:24 PM Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 > Hey Chris, > > Let us know when and where and maybe some of us can make it - possibly even > NY (I just love that town). > > Niv > BMW F650ST > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 11:39 AM > To: CBRKittyCat@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 > > > Hell, no! DC-cycles now does EARA as well. (YSR50 racing up in Monrovia, > Maryland near Frederick) I will be upholding the DCC racing tradition at > that venue. Our first race at Monrovia will be on May 20 (the same day as > Bike Night). All list members are welcome to spectate - there is no charge > as usual. > > Chris Weaver > EARA #24 > > P.S. We also race in New York, but I doubt anyone on the list wants to go > all the way up there to watch YSR racing. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:00 PM > Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 > > > > does dc-cycles only do wera???? > > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 1 20:10:37 2001 From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Minor Leagues of Bike Night Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 20:09:19 -0400 Hey, My friends and I have been holding our own bike nights now for about two years, and this will mark year three. We run every Wednesday night so long as daylight savings time runs, so this week will be week #1. The schedule is as follows: Every Wednesday night meet at the Roy Rogers in Mt. Airy, MD (Mt. Airy is where Howard, Carroll, Frederick, and Montgomery County, Maryland meet. The Roy's is at the intersection of Ridge Road and MD Rt. 27, two lights north of the MD Rt. 27/I-70 interchange.). Arrive whenever you please, but the ride is scheduled to depart the parking lot at 6:30 p.m. SHARP!!!! Please don't dawdle, late comers will be left and those holding up the group are subject to ridicule. Some of us get there about 5:50 p.m. or so to eat and B.S. about our weeks, then we go. Arrive fully fuel'd and strapped to ride about 100 miles or so on a good night, but basically we return to the Mt. Airy area by about 11:00 p.m., even if we only cover 25 miles. Destinations in the past have included Gettysburg, Harper's Ferry, Annapolis, downton D.C., a complete loop of the Balto. Beltway (we were hiding from deer on the back roads), and other palces too. The group is laid back, no apex strafing or peg dragging, and all bike types are represented, from a '67 magneto Sportster to a 2001 ZX-9R and just about everything in between. I post this information for those of us not residing in the NO.VA/DC area proper, but up here in the sticks of MD. I will more than likely attend, but this may be my only ride for a while if this current bike sells anytime soon and I have to wait for the Harley. Be advised, the slightest whisper of rain and these candy-asses stay home. It is supposed to be a recreational ride, after all. Sometimes I have shown up in the past to be the only participant. On the other hand we had about 12 bikes one glorious warm May night about a year ago. It all depends. I guess my point that this is a very informal group has been made, but if you want last minute details to confirm whether or not the ride is on, try e-mailing me late wednesday at HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX. Or just show up. Even if we weren't there, it was a nice ride up to Mt. Airy to make sure. Howard J. Koontz 1998 CBR600F3 - For sale ---> http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P61+C18+A0+R178727+Q358105073 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 1 20:50:44 2001 From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 20:50:33 EDT Subject: Re: Sport bikes FS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX A fellow MSF instructor pal of mine has 2 Katanas for sale both low miles,garaged, never down etc. E-mail direct to Brian Ward at kevrep96@XXXXXX Bob From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 1 21:01:53 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: from full system back to slip on Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 21:06:52 -0700 I'm thinking of selling my full system seperately, and going back to a slip on. My question is, once I do that, how hard/easy is it to adjust the carbs? Is it absolutely something that requires specialized guages or can it be done without it, with careful notation of the adjustments you make? Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 06:48:31 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 06:45:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, EmergeOut@XXXXXX From: Bob Rapp Subject: FS: '97 Honda VFR (reposted per listers request) Cc: blrapp@XXXXXX --=====================_2886008==_.ALT Hi again, 1997 Honda VFR-750, Red (of course), 14k, stock, very clean, original owner. garage-kept and well maintained. Along with the bike comes a Second Look tank cover, Sigma bicycle computer, Geza m/c cover, and a VFR-specific Givi rack mount (not currently installed). Asking $6500. I don't ride it as it should be ridden and it's looking for a good home (looking for a smaller bike). Also (I have most of the original shipping boxes for these items and would be willing to ship): 1- Givi E360 topcase w/keys (hardly used) -$140 2- Givi E21 sidecases w/keys (1 well used) - $75 (both) 1- Givi E141 Wingrack -$100 I'd consider separating the Wingrack (combine sideplates w/ E21s and top plate with E360). Misc. '97 VFR fairing parts (minor damage): 1 left, upper & 2 right, upper fairings (insignificant scratches, no cracks): $100 ea. 1 left & 1 right middle fairing (minor-to-moderate scratches, no cracks): $100 ea. 1 left & 1 right lower cowl (scratches, no cracks): $50 ea. I may be reached via email or 301 286 0992 or bob.rapp@XXXXXX. I could provide photos upon request. I will be on travel this Wednesday (4/4) through Sunday. I should be available at 301 717 0095 before Sunday. If calling, please do so before 8pm; thanks. Regards, Bob At 11:57 PM 3/31/01 -0500, you wrote: >Ladies and Gentleman, Boys and Girls, Don't forget to set your clock an hour >forward! >Have a nice day all! By the way if there is anyone on the list selling a >sports bike please post your ad..I have two friends looking for good used >bikes! Thanks --=====================_2886008==_.ALT Hi again,

1997 Honda VFR-750, Red (of course), 14k, stock, very clean, original owner. garage-kept and well maintained.  Along with the bike comes a Second Look tank cover, Sigma bicycle computer, Geza m/c cover, and a VFR-specific Givi rack mount (not currently installed).  Asking $6500.  I don't ride it as it should be ridden and it's looking for a good home (looking for a smaller bike).

Also (I have most of the original shipping boxes for these items and would be willing to ship):

1- Givi E360 topcase w/keys (hardly used) -$140
2- Givi E21 sidecases w/keys (1 well used) -  $75 (both)
1- Givi E141 Wingrack -$100

I'd consider separating the Wingrack (combine sideplates w/ E21s and top plate with E360).


Misc. '97 VFR fairing parts (minor damage):

1 left, upper & 2 right, upper fairings (insignificant scratches, no cracks): $100 ea.
1 left & 1 right middle fairing (minor-to-moderate scratches, no cracks): $100 ea.
1 left & 1 right lower cowl (scratches, no cracks): $50 ea.


I may be reached via email or 301 286 0992 or bob.rapp@XXXXXX.  I could provide photos upon request.  I will be on travel this Wednesday (4/4) through Sunday.  I should be available at 301 717 0095 before Sunday.  If calling, please do so before 8pm; thanks. 


Regards,

Bob


At 11:57 PM 3/31/01 -0500, you wrote:
Ladies and Gentleman, Boys and Girls, Don't forget to set your clock an hour
forward!
Have a nice day all!  By the way if there is anyone on the list selling a
sports bike please post your ad..I have two friends looking for good used
bikes!  Thanks
--=====================_2886008==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 07:59:11 2001 From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: from full system back to slip on Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 07:54:02 -0400 Wassup Danny! So how did the carbs get jetted for the full system in the first place? Anyway, to answer your questions: Assuming you're not already a moto technician, rejetting is moderately difficult from the standpoint of teardown/rebuild, but it gets easier each time. You definitely need the shop manual, that pamphlet under the seat won't cut it. The difficult/tricky part is actually getting it tuned "just right." You have to find the right combination of main jets, needle settings, and fuel screw turns to get the proper idle, low-mid range and top end, and this may require tearing down & rebulding several times with a ride or dyno run in between each. You would definitely want to have a fully stocked tool box handy, I'm sure every bike has its own needs, but the only specialized tool would be a carb synchronizing tool (about $75) that, as the guy at Factory Pro told me, you can get away without, but is needed to "do the job right." I would recommend reading through the carb section of the shop manual to confirm that there isn't some tool your specific bike needs though before starting. So if you're going to do it, get the shop manual and give yourself plenty of TIME in order to do everything right. I bought my jet kit from Factory Pro and they were great about answering questions and helping out. And when all else fails, sell that cowasucky and buy a Honda!! LOL! -----Original Message----- From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 12:07 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: from full system back to slip on I'm thinking of selling my full system seperately, and going back to a slip on. My question is, once I do that, how hard/easy is it to adjust the carbs? Is it absolutely something that requires specialized guages or can it be done without it, with careful notation of the adjustments you make? Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 08:10:51 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 05:10:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: from full system back to slip on To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX give us some more info on what was done when the full system was installed--was it professionally rejetted and tuned for the full system? just so you know, putting back the stock jets, needles, etc. is not a difficult job.... but you probably won't need to do much at all if you're still using an aftermarket system with increased airflow over stock as far as guages go, unless you've got a dyno the only guage you'll use (if any) will be a carb synch-er --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm thinking of selling my full system seperately, and > going back to a > slip on. My question is, once I do that, how hard/easy > is it to > adjust the carbs? Is it absolutely something that > requires > specialized guages or can it be done without it, with > careful notation > of the adjustments you make? ===== tg check out www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 09:15:44 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: from full system back to slip on Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 09:20:43 -0700 appreciate the responses, I'll just leave it alone. too much hassle to go through :) Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 12:07:32 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:07:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Minor Leagues of Bike Night I went to the Revolution Coffee Lounge in Herndon last tuesday and they where showing the bike races. They had the sound down and a mellow band playing. They had the races on a large projection screen as well as on a TV above the bar (mmmmm beer).Tomorrow they'll be showing rounds 1 & 2 of the superbike races from Kyalami so I think I'll be going back. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 12:26:07 2001 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: Wanna go racing? Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 12:23:45 -0400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 I've got a race bike and some leathers for sale. Leathers: AGV Rage, size ?? (equivalent to a US 48). Almost new. White/Red/Black. I'm 6'3" and they are a little too small from shoulder to crotch. So, 6'1" or less should be OK. $350. They were never worn to race, couple of rides on the street and I realized they were too small to be usable. For the bike, pictures and info are here: http://patriot.net/~stpeter/motorcycle/racebike.html If anyone is interested, I'm flexible on the price. It's reliable and fun to ride. It won't win (unless you're Mick Doohan), but it is a blast and will do better than you think. Handles great and is pretty dang fast. Track only, no street title. Make me an offer and get on the track cheap. I'll be out of town until Thursday, but it is time to clean the garage out. I will try to check e-mail on the road. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 13:37:39 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:37:36 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ride by NOVA MGR Sean Jordan and I went on this ride yesterday. We started w/ 6 riders but one of them peeled off once we got out to Marshall. The five of us who were left proceeded to the other side of Thorton gap via some of the usual back roads and, of course, 211. It was chilly and we encountered a spot of rain on the way home from lunch in Sperryville, but everyone was dressed for the weather so no biggie. We took turns leading along the various sections with which we were most familiar and, with the exception of a couple of places along the trip, the speeds were what I would call moderate. Halfway up the mountain to Skyline, we ran into a wall of fog that stuck with us 'til a good way down the other side. Visibility was essentially nil so the high jinx there were at a minimum. For those of you headed to 211 in the near future it appears that the winter sand is pretty much gone. Anyway, the ride was fun and no incidents to report. I hope to join more of you guys on a ride soon. Randy Brian Roach posted an announcement for: > NORTHERN VIRGINIA MOTORCYCLE GROUP RIDES (NOVA MGR) > http://members.aol.com/novamgr > novamgr@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 15:20:09 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 15:19:51 -0400 To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Amazing Price Difference Ok - so I am taking everyone's advice and I will replace the RR next week on my '97 VFR. I cross-posted this to a local list to make a point. I called Manassas, VA Honda/Kawi to make the appointment (4-9) and pre-order the part. They quote $182 for the OEM RR +tax. I think, "Hmmm...that seems high. I'll call around". Called Honda of Milpitas in Cali. $130. $8.50 to get it to Northern Virginia Thursday (which is really next day shipping since they won't be back in stock until Wednesday). And Bill was a NICE GUY to talk to. The guy that works the phones at Manassas grunted at me, and asked me if a 97 VFR was the same as an RC30. These are the same guys that I trust to service my bike BTW. Why does Manassas Honda believe a 100% markup on parts makes good sense? I WANT to give the local guy my money, but not if he is going to bend me over to do it. If I move to Cali, that would make Milpitas local, right? ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA "Any lie will find believers as long as you tell it with force." --Greta Garbo in "Queen Christina" From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 15:37:33 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 15:35:09 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Amazing Price Difference To: Troutman Cc: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Troutman wrote: > If I move to Cali, that would make Milpitas local, right? > > ;-) If you can get there within a 2-days' ride, it's local in my book. California is local. :) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 15:59:28 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:59:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Amazing Price Difference I haven't figured out what a RR is but 2 things: Manassas Honda/Kawi's prices are the worst I've seen around here. 2nd, Manassas may have quoted you HOnda prices, not OEM prices. If you want Honda parts, give Shenandoah Honda a call - 540-678-8500 or 800-276-2036. I do ALL of my Honda parts business with them. Right off the bat they gave me a 10% discount for all of what I buy. No questions asked. Tell them I referred you (not sure it does any good for me but what the hey...) -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted for impeachment." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:16:01 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Gasonline grade threatd again Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:20:53 -0700 Is it that time of year for gasoline grade again? if I recall correctly... 93 octane doesn't have more power (btu's) than 89 octane.. however at high rpm the gas detonates smoother and more consistently. I use 89 in my 95 kawasaki and my friend has used it in his honda F2... He says he's going to start using 93 octane... I'm thinking.. with a 20 cents difference per gallon, with every fill up, he's throwing away a buck.. that's how i see it. what do you think? Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:16:10 2001 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Matthew Patton" , Cc: Subject: RE: Amazing Price Difference Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:15:13 -0400 An "RR" is a Regulator/Rectifier, a primary component in the bike's electrical system. Hondas (and VFRs in particular) commonly have this ailment. From what I understand, the Honda Reg/Recs aren't built to withstand the heat under which they're subjected and they regularly fail due to this. I've heard of folks rigging up heat sinks and small fans onto their Reg/Recs in an effort to keep the heat down, but I don't recall whether these were effective or not. Chris Weaver '98 VTR (no RR problems so far), YSR, dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 3:59 PM To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Amazing Price Difference I haven't figured out what a RR is but 2 things: Manassas Honda/Kawi's prices are the worst I've seen around here. 2nd, Manassas may have quoted you HOnda prices, not OEM prices. If you want Honda parts, give Shenandoah Honda a call - 540-678-8500 or 800-276-2036. I do ALL of my Honda parts business with them. Right off the bat they gave me a 10% discount for all of what I buy. No questions asked. Tell them I referred you (not sure it does any good for me but what the hey...) -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted for impeachment." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:27:34 2001 From: biga@XXXXXX (Andrew Culpepper) Subject: Re: Gasonline grade threatd again To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:27:33 -0400 If you're not having detonation troubles, a higher octane won't buy you anything except maybe more combustion chamber deposits. Andrew '90EX500 On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:20:53 -0700 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Is it that time of year for gasoline grade again? From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:28:49 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:26:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: Amazing Price Difference At 10:15 AM 4/2/01, Christopher Weaver wrote: >I've heard of folks rigging up heat sinks and small fans onto their >Reg/Recs in an effort to keep the heat down, but I don't recall whether >these were effective or not. *sometimes* the heat sink helps. It is a sticky issue. Sometimes the Stator fails along with the RR, or the wiring harness is corroded which causes the RR failure. Other things can look like an RR failure, so I have no idea if this will fix the problem. I am amazed that Honda hasn't fixed the RR issue yet ... or offered a recall .... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA "Any lie will find believers as long as you tell it with force." --Greta Garbo in "Queen Christina" From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:39:57 2001 From: "Aaron Ward" To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gasoline grade thread again Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:39:51 -0400 >From what I understand, you need to use what the manual recommends. I'm guessing your bike manual recommends 87 or higher? Both my bikes, a 1987 CBR600F1 and a 1997 CBR900RR run great on 87. If you really want to test this, I suppose you could use a dyno. But you would have to do the test back to back, to get similar temperature/pressure/etc. So take the bike to the dyno with a nearly empty tank of one octane (87), run it, then drain the carbs/tank and put in the other octane (93) and see if you get more horsepower. I'm guessing you won't, unless you have a high-compression and/or spark advanced bike or some serious carbon build up. I think they just put more crap in the gas to increase the octane rating. That crap doesn't do anything for more power, it just inhibits detonation. You should try running the lowest octane gas that doesn't cause knock/detonation. If you like the way 93 octane makes your bike run better, you should put some Slick50 in there and you will really see a difference! ;) Aaron >From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Gasonline grade threatd again >Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:20:53 -0700 > >Is it that time of year for gasoline grade again? > >if I recall correctly... 93 octane doesn't have more power (btu's) >than 89 octane.. however at high rpm the gas detonates smoother >and more consistently. > >I use 89 in my 95 kawasaki and my friend has used it in his honda >F2... He says he's going to start using 93 octane... I'm >thinking.. with a 20 cents difference per gallon, with every fill up, >he's throwing away a buck.. that's how i see it. what do you think? > >Danny _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:40:23 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:36:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Gasonline grade threatd again To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm thinking.. with a 20 cents difference per gallon, with every fill up, > he's throwing away a buck.. that's how i see it. what do you think? I think high octane gas is the best marketing scam unleashed ever on the American public. Unless you are running an extremely hyped air-cooled high compression engine, you probably don't need anything other than 87 octane. The ONLY reason to go to a higher octane gas is if your engine is currently pinging under light loads with low octane gas. Otherwise, yes, you are just putting more money in the oil company's pocket. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:42:26 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:42:13 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Non-moto - Question To: How many of you out there really care if Metro changes the name of the National Airport metro stop to Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport? All Congress seems to be concerned about lately is that Metro won't do it. I for one think it's stupid. Granted, they did change the name of the airport but, how many idiots out there can't figure out that National Airport is the same as R.R.W.N.A. Long ass name in my opinion. Yes, the man did some great things but honestly, how many buildings, etc. need to be named after him? Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:44:40 2001 From: "Rob Keiser" To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Amazing Price Difference Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:44:33 -0400 Mike, Have you thought about going the way of Electrex instead of OEM? http://www.electrexusa.com/honda.htm I know they were rather involved in one way or another with some on the VFR list. Just a thought. Rob '98 VFR800 >From: Troutman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Amazing Price Difference >Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:26:55 -0400 > >At 10:15 AM 4/2/01, Christopher Weaver wrote: >>I've heard of folks rigging up heat sinks and small fans onto their >>Reg/Recs in an effort to keep the heat down, but I don't recall whether >>these were effective or not. > >*sometimes* the heat sink helps. It is a sticky issue. Sometimes the >Stator fails along with the RR, or the wiring harness is corroded which >causes the RR failure. Other things can look like an RR failure, so I have >no idea if this will fix the problem. I am amazed that Honda hasn't fixed >the RR issue yet ... or offered a recall .... > > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > >"Any lie will find believers as long as you tell it with force." >--Greta Garbo in "Queen Christina" > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:50:07 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:49:45 -0400 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Non-moto - Question Cc: Sounds like a good dccycles2 topic ;-) I'm glad they are naming stuff after Reagan, but I don't see any need to change the metro stop name. A few others need to be changed first - like add WCC to the Chinatown stop name. Sometimes (for us non-frequent metro riders) it is a real PITA to figure out which stop is close to our destination. MCI center isn't named, and the stop is under the freaking building. At 04:42 PM 4/2/01, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >How many of you out there really care if Metro changes the name of the >National Airport metro stop to Ronald Reagan Washington National >Airport? All Congress seems to be concerned about lately is that Metro >won't do it. I for one think it's stupid. Granted, they did change the >name of the airport but, how many idiots out there can't figure out that >National Airport is the same as R.R.W.N.A. Long ass name in my >opinion. Yes, the man did some great things but honestly, how many >buildings, etc. need to be named after him? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "I knew one thing: as soon as anyone said you didn't need a gun, you'd better take one along that worked." --Robert Mitchum in "Farewell, My Lovely" From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:50:24 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:48:28 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Amazing Price Difference To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Troutman wrote: > > I am amazed that Honda hasn't fixed > the RR issue yet ... or offered a recall .... > Hmm, I can somehow imagine BigH engineers trying to perfect a design an expensive electric component or two that has a MTBF of 2 or 3 years. Just out of warranty. Gotta make some money back on the bike post sale. Sort of like the 'bad weld' Yuasa battery problems. Why fix the problem, when you can just sell another unit? Ok, I'll quit being cynical now. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:51:54 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:50:12 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Gasonline grade threatd again To: Andrew Culpepper Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Andrew Culpepper wrote: > > If you're not having detonation troubles, a higher octane won't buy > you anything except maybe more combustion chamber deposits. > In which case, you'll end up NEEDING higher octane gas to compensate... sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Me, I'm sort of happy my motor doesn't need high octane gas. If it does, it's a sign of some sort of problem... -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 16:53:33 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:53:14 -0400 To: "Rob Keiser" From: Troutman Subject: RE: Amazing Price Difference Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thought about it yes - even price quoted. Electrex has been through 3 generations of RR for the VFR. The latest one they claim has fixed the problem. A fellow VFR lister tried one and it burned up in 75 miles. The few that have gone with OEM seem to believe they will last another 25k before needing replacement again. RR failures seem to affect around 10% of VFR owners between 25k and 30k miles. At 04:44 PM 4/2/01, Rob Keiser wrote: >Have you thought about going the way of Electrex instead of OEM? > >http://www.electrexusa.com/honda.htm > >I know they were rather involved in one way or another with some on the >VFR list. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "I knew one thing: as soon as anyone said you didn't need a gun, you'd better take one along that worked." --Robert Mitchum in "Farewell, My Lovely" From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 17:13:38 2001 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Troutman" Cc: Subject: RE: Amazing Price Difference Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:12:51 -0400 Well, ignoring my ingrained cynicism, I would say that the reason Honda should wish for that not to happen is that it might end up giving them a reputation for poor build quality and customer service. That costs a lot more than a regulator/rectifier, I'm guessing. Their reputation, from what I can tell, is something very valuable to Honda and I'm also at a loss as to why they haven't tried to fix this problem. I wonder how many people have decided against buying Triumphs over the decades based on their poor reliability reputation? Granted, they had a few more problems than regulator/rectifiers going bad. Chris Weaver -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:the.horkster@XXXXXX] [Dale's "devil's advocate":] Why fix the problem, when you can just sell another unit? From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 17:22:31 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:22:44 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Gasonline grade threatd again Ok, I've got time for this one. This is a clip from the save file; In normal gasoline engine combustion the kernel of heat from the spark plug ignites the compressed mixture in the combustion chamber. That kernel grows as the flame front proceeds to consume the unburnt mixture, the speed of which is far slower than the speed of sound, on the order of 20 metes per second or so, from the spark plug the outter canyons of the squish band. This is everything working normally, with a smooth combustion chamber pressure rise rate of, say, tens of PSI per crank degree of rotation. Your bike accelerates nicely out of the turn and you win the race. But things don't always work out so nice. Sometime there is auto-ignition of the last part(s) of the charge, AFTER the spark has ignited the mixture, and most of it has burned normally. This is sometimes also called "detonation" or "knock." Why is there auto-ignition you ask, well that has to do with the chemical make up of the compressed and ignited mixture. As normal burning proceeds, at the above noted sub-sonic speed, the expansion of the burned gases compresses the unburned charge ahead of it, and the heat release of combustion also heats it. The result is a rising temperature-pressure history in the unburned charge. This exposure to rising temperature drives chemical change in the still-unburned charge, termed "pre-flame reactions". Thermal collisions set fuel molecules into vibration and ultimately knock off the less-well-bonded hydrogens and other bits. Some of the fragments thus produced are the infamous "active radicals", which are chemical fragments with unpaired electrons. This makes these bits very reactive. If the flame consumes the entire charge, right out to the cylinder wall, before these pre-flame reactions can get too far along, the result is normal combustion. But if the fuel has a poor resistance (meaning low octane) to pre-flame reaction, or if the rpm's are low enough relative to thottle opening to give combustion process too much time, or if the spark is excessively advanced, or if you have installed high compression pistons, the pre-flame reactions may proceed to the point at which the chemical reaction rate accelerates in chain reaction to local auto hot ignition - BEFORE the normal flame front actually reaches it. With such a high local population of free radicals, the auto-ignited mixture no longer burns normally. Instead, burning of a different kind is established; detonation. In this type of burning, it is not heat radiation and convection that sets unburned mixture abaze. Instead, it is the sharp pressure increase across a shock wave, established because the speed of the chemical reaction equals or exceeds the speed of sound. This shock wave consumes the rest of the unburned charge greedily in its highly excited state, and then reverberates across the cylinder at a frequency determined by (a) cylinder diameter and (b) speed of sound in local conditions. The rate of pressure rise is, catastrophically high. This causes mechanical damage to your engines interior. In the case of your bike, I doubt you have advanced the ignition, I doubt you have raised your compression ratio, therefore it is unlike that you will have auto-ignition of the mixture. As long as you do not have auto-ignition of the mixture, you can use lower octane fuel with no measurable difference, except at the wallet. The really exciting part is that soon engines are going to be equipped with sensors that pick up the tell tale vibrations from auto-ignition and software in the spark box will compensate by reducing spark lead or slightly enriching the fuel injection map to stop the pre-flame reactions. S At 04:20 PM 4/2/01 -0700, you wrote: >Is it that time of year for gasoline grade again? > >if I recall correctly... 93 octane doesn't have more power (btu's) >than 89 octane.. however at high rpm the gas detonates smoother >and more consistently. > >I use 89 in my 95 kawasaki and my friend has used it in his honda >F2... He says he's going to start using 93 octane... I'm >thinking.. with a 20 cents difference per gallon, with every fill up, >he's throwing away a buck.. that's how i see it. what do you think? > >Danny > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 17:25:36 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:25:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: from full system back to slip on To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Tom Gimer wrote: > as far as guages go, unless you've got a dyno the > only > guage you'll use (if any) will be a carb synch-er . . . and I've heard you can fake one of those with some clear vacuum tubing with water in it. Connect the ends of the tube to the two carbs you want to balance and start the engine. This method will probably take longer if you've got more than two carbs to balance. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 17:54:53 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: zx6r / zx9r wheels the same? Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:59:44 -0700 anyone know if the zx6r and zx9r wheels are the same? Danny From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 18:02:33 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:02:31 -0500 Subject: Doing the Supercamp Shuffle in tax-haven Delaware It's an inside joke - spend the bucks and find out... So while Bryan R. and Laura G. are still frittering their afternoon away under the watchful gaze of Danny Walker and Chris Carr, Scooter et. al. and I'll do my little writeup. As a non-racer, clueless newbie I took the 2 day dirt track course on Friday/Sat. We had a full class of 24 riders split into three groups according to perceived prowess. About 1/2 the class were returnee's and their skills (or bravery) reflected it. I thought I'd take rank newbie status but believe it or not there were two others who were newer riders than myself. Thus I was consigned to the well-deserved newbie group: #3. The idea is to teach the students the finer points of sliding a bike into and around a turn. Most street riders especially, never learn how to use the rear brake. Indeed on most modern bikes one sometimes wonders why they even put one back there. Nonetheless if you watch any dirt GP racing or the likes of ?Collin? on world SuperBike you will see that the rear brake is pivital to successful cornering - at least the Danny Walker Way(tm). Roadriders like myself typically think the proper way to approach a turn is to: 1) pick a reference point 2) slow down 3) get off the brakes and lean it over 4) gradually and SMOOTHLY roll on the throttle (note to self) With #3 and #4 nearly simultaneous. Indeed this works. And about sums up eg. the Keith Code method (if oversimplified). The Danny Walker method comes from the dirt school (probably in no small reason the historically 'weak' brakes of dirt bikes and the unpredictable but malleable surface) where the whole concept is to use the rear tire (and body work, swing arm, and any other convenient metal bits as the case may be) to plow oneself into the corner sideways. It's harrowing to see a 600cc sportbike going sideways on asphalt into a turn from even before the 1st braking marker but it's done and apparently to good effect if race standings are to be believed. Personally, I think Danny does it because it looks cool and you get to watch the color drain from the face of the guy behind you as he has an "oh-shit" moment. *big grin* Still, what was he doing watching your tire slither side-ways anyway... In any event, you approach the turn on the outside. You use the rear brake just shy of or at it's skidding point to slow and while slowing, push the bike under you (moto-cross style) with your butt sitting 1/2 way off the HIGH side of the seat - basically on top of the bike, down-side arm essentially straight and high-side elbow way up (another note to slack-armed, sagging-elbow self). Backbone vertical to road surface. While maintaining this radical (almost horizontal if you're good) and somewhat unnerving bike angle you modulate the rear brake until such time as the frame is pointed at the exit of the turn. Picture an almost V shaped fish hook. From this position still south (and maybe a little east) of the turn apex you straighten the bike up and apply the throttle, accellerating in a ~straight line for the next turn entry point. That's the theory. Danny and the rest of the instructors obviously do it well. As to me, well let's just say I wish the camp was longer by at least another day and then some. At the end of the 2nd day (even after my 4 hour forced rest period - see below) I was only somewhat successful at getting the bike slid enough around that I was pointed up-hill, only to have stalled the engine. Most of the time the bike was pointed ~90 degrees to my inital vector of travel but not the 130 or so it needed to be. And when the rear tire washed out I tended to bring the bike upright instead of letting it continue the slide. On dirt and not going very fast it's not a problem. On the street though and not being firm with the down-force would have meant a nice high-side especially on a bike weighing more than twice it's rider. Still, there were a couple of instances wherein I had the "tingling feeling" when I knew I had done it pretty good. And those were the times when I also managed NOT to drop my head or body (3rd note to hick-headed self) and end up in a pile on the ground. I dare say my knee+shin GP grade armor got a good workout. The class and the company are IMO quite good but if I had but one suggestion to run it better, it would be this: have the students run just one single corner, over and over and over again, hundreds of times even till they master the lock-up, slide and bring the bike upright. The venue was plenty big to run 2 sets of left and right turns simultanesouly. With an instructor right there to critique your every mistake I would have learned a lot more I should think. It's fun to ride, sure, but you can't really practice proper form when you're concerned with traffic or trying to remember and execute the 12 specific points and all you can process at once is 2. I suspect many schools have the same problem - students bitch and moan about doing drills - they just want to ride. But somebody's got to make them do it till they get it right. And while maybe group #1's returnee's wouldn't have needed quite so much practice, us #3's needed a whole lot more of just the absolute basics. sometimes the MSF's approach of picking on niggling details over and over again is worth it and effective. Even if it took us the full first day to just do the basic drill I think that would have been best. What I noticed while watching from the sidelines and from the video was that riders of all grades were *turning* around the corner at increasingly faster velocities in fine MSF fashion (myself included) and spraying dirt in corner-exit powerslides but were missing the whole point. A rear-skid while essentially vertical is not the same thing as plowing a nice arcing furrow in the sand to bring the rear around. And failing to achieve even passing perfection in that key manuver puts a small dint in my enthusiasm for having spent that much money. Maybe I just suck. But all things considered American Supercamp is a steal of a deal ($275/day before the $55 HRCA discount): Keith code's is rather more expensive (according to some also a bit of a prick) and doesn't come with near as much riding time nor good viddles. I don't know about Reg Pridmore yet but CLASS was upwards of $350/day. As to my 4-hour rest period: well almost the first thing on Sat morning I crashed on the TT course and in so doing apparently didn't let go of the handlebar as it whipped to the left (probably dropped forward, too). Some of you know I have a bad right shoulder that's missing cartilege in the front. POP went my shoulder and it was dislocated. They redflagged the session and led my loathsome self off to the pickup truck to lay on a haybale as Danny (ever the expert) proceeded to duct-tape a strap to my arm and from thence hang a jerry-can full of 2-cycle gas. It took longer than he expected but it finally crunched back into place. So I sat out most of the day. But come 3pm I just had to get some time on the bike and while the shoulder was sore I figured I'd risk it. I had a couple more tumbles but no further shoulder misbehavior. In fact, by slowing my ass down so I could think thru what I needed to do, I did rather better I think. Some of the instructors/students when they realized I was back on the track th ught I was incredibly brave: I prefer to think I was just too damn stupid to know when to quit. Throwing around an XR100 makes you realize the Trident 900 I ride into work (like this morning) is an unseemly bloated, heavy, "I'm not about to turn" pig! Ok, so where do I find an XR100 and some dirt? If you take Danny's class tell him the guy who brought the milk and the donuts (from 130 miles away) and managed to dislocate his shoulder, is doing fine, thanks. And I guess if he's in town in July when I'm in CO I'll look him up. I'd like to better know how to tranfer the skills I observed (if not exactly mastered) to the street. I'm not about to try it on my 550lb Trident but maybe on the already banged up Nighthawk. I know a couple of sandy and deserted parking lots. I figure I'll put a cone down and practice the skids and pushing the bike away and down and progressively getting more and more of a slide. I better learn to quit dropping my shoulder or I'm really going to hate smacking tarmac. -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted for impeachment." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 18:08:46 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:08:45 -0500 Subject: Borrow a carb sync if you need to I've got one. -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted for impeachment." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 18:26:19 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:20:37 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Non-moto - Question ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > How many of you out there really care if Metro changes the name of the National Airport metro stop to Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport? All Congress seems to be concerned about lately is that Metro won't do it. I for one think it's stupid. Granted, they did change the name of the airport but, how many idiots out there can't figure out that National Airport is the same as R.R.W.N.A. Long ass name in my opinion. Yes, the man did some great things but honestly, how many buildings, etc. need to be named after him? > > I care. It would cost about $400,000 to change all the signs to satisfy Trent Lott's latest adventure in pud-wanking. I hope Arlington, the org who must request a name change, tells Lott to jam it up his rosy red.... Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 18:36:29 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:38:00 -0400 From: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Non-moto - Question Troutman wrote: > Sounds like a good dccycles2 topic ;-) Lost tourists, wandering around aimlessly, totally oblivious to their surroundings - If tourism material says RRWNA, and the metro signs don't, it's a recipe for yet more pedestrian woes in our area... I'll bet if it were instead named William Jefferson Clinton National airport, the signs would already be changed... > > I'm glad they are naming stuff after Reagan, but I don't see any need to > change the metro stop name. A few others need to be changed first - > like add WCC to the Chinatown stop name. Sometimes (for us non-frequent > metro riders) it is a real PITA to figure out which stop is close to our > destination. MCI center isn't named, and the stop is under the freaking > building. > > At 04:42 PM 4/2/01, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > >> How many of you out there really care if Metro changes the name of the >> National Airport metro stop to Ronald Reagan Washington National >> Airport? All Congress seems to be concerned about lately is that >> Metro won't do it. I for one think it's stupid. Granted, they did >> change the name of the airport but, how many idiots out there can't >> figure out that National Airport is the same as R.R.W.N.A. Long ass >> name in my opinion. Yes, the man did some great things but honestly, >> how many buildings, etc. need to be named after him? > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > "I knew one thing: as soon as anyone said you didn't need a gun, you'd > better take one along that worked." --Robert Mitchum in "Farewell, My > Lovely" -- -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 19:21:49 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:21:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Non-moto - Question Tourist: "Is this the Nat'l airport?" Local: "depends on your definition of 'is'" -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted for conviction." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 22:01:23 2001 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Daylight Savings Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:00:52 -0400 Another Todd working too hard.....I totally sympathize bro' Todd (Springfield) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:29:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Daylight Savings To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- EmergeOut@XXXXXX wrote: > Ladies and Gentleman, Boys and Girls, Don't forget > to set your clock an hour > forward! > Yeah, it sucks. Bad enough working 12.5 hour days. I spend more time at work than at home. Now I got one less hour last night, but the guys I relieved when I came to work, got to work one less hour. :( Todd ===== From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 22:13:28 2001 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 04/01/01 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:12:52 -0400 However! It is the weekend before THE premier rally on the east coast. Anyone interested in riding BIG miles, check out http://www.masondixon20-20.org/, bound to be a blast... All the best t-you Chris on your crazy 50cc racing. I think you and I saw this type of racing together the first time. Reminds me of the PC game "Road-Rash"..heheh. Todd (Springfield) -----Original Message----- From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 11:39 AM To: CBRKittyCat@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/01 Hell, no! DC-cycles now does EARA as well. (YSR50 racing up in Monrovia, Maryland near Frederick) I will be upholding the DCC racing tradition at that venue. Our first race at Monrovia will be on May 20 (the same day as Bike Night). All list members are welcome to spectate - there is no charge as usual. Chris Weaver EARA #24 P.S. We also race in New York, but I doubt anyone on the list wants to go all the way up there to watch YSR racing. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 22:31:03 2001 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 04/02/01 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:28:20 -0400 I've listened to the "support y'er local.." argument many times but I'm market oriented. Sounds like you are too Mike. Do what makes sense. I know some people will argue, "if you don't support your local...." blah, blah.. Charging the most serrated deal to your customers is NOT good business. Did anyone here take economics at school? For me, $3.40 vs. $3.00 for basically the same oil....Puh-leeze. Or in your case, $138 vs. $187(w/tx). Todd (Springfield) > X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX > Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 15:19:51 -0400 > To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Troutman > Subject: Amazing Price Difference > > Ok - so I am taking everyone's advice and I will replace the RR next week > on my '97 VFR. I cross-posted this to a local list to make a point. > > I called Manassas, VA Honda/Kawi to make the appointment (4-9) and > pre-order the part. They quote $182 for the OEM RR +tax. I think, > "Hmmm...that seems high. I'll call around". > > Called Honda of Milpitas in Cali. $130. $8.50 to get it to Northern > Virginia Thursday (which is really next day shipping since they won't be > back in stock until Wednesday). And Bill was a NICE GUY to talk to. The > guy that works the phones at Manassas grunted at me, and asked me if a 97 > VFR was the same as an RC30. These are the same guys that I trust to > service my bike BTW. > > Why does Manassas Honda believe a 100% markup on parts makes good sense? I > WANT to give the local guy my money, but not if he is going to bend me over > to do it. If I move to Cali, that would make Milpitas local, right? From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 2 23:40:23 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:40:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tight Squeeze Racing Subject: Injury Fund E-News: April '01 To: IF News March Recap: ------------ -Trackside Racer Supply has pledged 1 set of Pirelli/Metzeler race tires toward the raffle. Please show 'Moose' our appreciation by contacting him at Trackside1@XXXXXX and purchasing a fresh set of race tires from him or his crew. -Fast Lane Cycles(http://www.fastlanecycles.com) has pledged several riding Jackets towards the raffle. Please show Rick your appreciation as well. -Jeannie Dalmas, a MARRC volunteer, donated a copy of "World Superbikes, the first ten years", by Julian Ryder, towards the injury fund raffle. Jeannie is also an independent distributor of Herbalife weight-management and nutritional products. Please visit http://www.fatzapper.com/cmc for more info. -TSR's Jennilynne Guthridge is coordinating a Blood Drive on April 5th(12p-5p), in Chantilly, VA. Anyone donating, will receive 10% off the price of a Raffle Ticket, and a label for their helmet with their Name, Blood Type, and Allergies. At last report, she had 40 slots filled, but has room for a few more. if you would like to donate, please contact her at JLG@XXXXXX. -Tim Steven's Racing (http://www.TSRPerformance.com) held it's grand opening in Cockeysville MD. TSR(us) attended the event, passed out flyers, and discussed the injury fund with the attendees. Despite the ill weather, Tim had a Dyno Shoot-out, door prizes, a music DJ, and free Hot Dogs and hamburgers for the guests. He is planning to reschedule the event for a sunny day sometime soon. -RAM Racewares(http://www.RamMC.net) donated 8 sets of frame savers, and most of them have been purchased. We still have 1 set for an R6, and 2 sets for a pre-2000 GSXR. Each set is $45, and comes with 1 raffle ticket. -The "5 tickets for $100" special is completed, as all 10 allocated purchases have been made. We still have plenty of T-shirts remaining for our "Buy 2 tickets, get a free T-shirt" special. -In 2001, we've collected over $2500 in donations between ticket and donated part sales. 90 Tickets have been sold to date. Thank you to everyone that has participated! http://www.tightsqueezeracing.org/Raffle.htm Web Page Updates ---------------- -Supporters: Anyone that donates to the injury fund is entitled to have their URL link added to our new supporters page. If you have donated, and don't see your link, please send us your desired link and we'll add you. http://www.tightsqueezeracing.org/InjuryFund/Supporters.asp -News: Read the breaking news as it happens from the world of TSR. http://www.TightSqueezeRacing/news.htm -Suzuki Contingency Dates: Suzuki has released their dates for the contingency events, and they have been added to our Electronic Schedule Search. Plan your season or next event. http://www.TightSqueezeRacing/ScheduleSearch.asp. Coming up in April: ------------------- Please look for us at the following events: -CCS: VA Int'l Raceway 4/13-15 -WERA: Summit Point 4/21-22 Look for our race reports shortly after! Suzuki Cup Regions. Since Suzuki Cup events are broken down by region, we will be adding them to our Search application, to make it more convienant for you to see which events will contribute to your end of year grid position. Raffle Supporters ----------------- Thanks to all of these companies for their support, please visit them soon and often! -Aim SportSystems (http://www.aimsports.com/) -Blashfield Sign Companies (http://www.bcsignage.com/) -Fast Lane Cycles (http://www.FastLaneCycles.com/) -Galfer Braking Systems (http://www.galferusa.com/) -GP Tech (http://www.gptechllc.com/) -Hi-Side Racing (http://www.hi-sideracing.com) -Moto Liberty (http://www.silkolenestore.com/) -Performance Machines (http://www.performance-machine.com/) -Plastic Dr. (http://theplasticdr.homestead.com/) -RAM Racewares (http://www.RAMMC.net) -Road Racing World & Motorcycle Technology (http://www.roadracingworld.com) -SharkSkinz (http://www.SharkSkinz.com/) -Sudco Racing USA (http://www.sudco.com/) -Team Valvoline EMGO Suzuki(http://www.TeamHammer.com/) The entire list of companies, their donations, and raffle information can be found at our web site: http://www.tightsqueezeracing.org/Raffle.htm Thank you, Tight Squeeze Racing http://www.tightsqueezeracing.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 00:29:43 2001 From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:29:32 EDT Subject: Motorcylce Auction in VA. April 7th To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_66.d8a6fcb.27faabac_boundary I lost all my info! Someone please refresh my memory, when,where,time, what kind of motorcycles will be at the auction this Saturday? Thanks for your help! --part1_66.d8a6fcb.27faabac_boundary I lost all my info!

Someone please refresh my memory, when,where,time, what kind of motorcycles
will be at the auction this Saturday?  Thanks for your help! --part1_66.d8a6fcb.27faabac_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 07:39:30 2001 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Dccycles2" Subject: Fund Raiser for fellow biker Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 07:38:58 -0400 I hope this is not out of line posting this here. There is another Fund Raiser for Tony Munich. I whole heartedly support this and hope that all who can help will do so. There was a great response when I did this last year and it was greatly appreciated. I am not spearheading this one but will certainly be a contributor. Details are at http://www.fj1100.com. Just click the Tony Munich Fund Raiser link for complete details. Gary Foreman mailto:fj1100@XXXXXX http://www.fj1100.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 07:45:59 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Aaron Ward" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gasoline grade thread again - gasoline brands Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 07:51:12 -0700 by the way i meant to say we use 87 (not 89) in our older sport bikes. my 2000 recommends something above 89 but below 93 i think, so I just use 93. OK Does Gas brand matter? Shell? Exxon? Amaco? Sunoco? Hertz? El cheapo? should high octane be clear or yellowish? Danny expanding my mind From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 09:42:51 2001 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 03:42:12 -0400 Hi folks. I'm in the market for a motorcycle transportation vehicle. It'll be primarily for transporting the YSR and maybe assorted spares back and forth to the races once or twice a month, with some occasional use for larger sportbikes. I need something CHEAP and at least reasonably reliable. Cosmetics and high mileage are not much of an issue. I'm looking to get either a pickup truck, utility van, or a trailer. I imagine a small, single-rail trailer would be the cheapest solution, but I haven't found any suitable ones yet. If I can find a cheap pickup or van I'd prefer to do that, assuming the cost isn't prohibitive. I'm hoping to pick something up for $1000 or less if it's a truck or van or $400 or less if it's a trailer. So if anyone has a vehicle or trailer that you think might work, let me know! Chris Weaver EARA #24 VTR, YSR, dccycles.com P.S. Altaan, I know you said you had a truck for $2k, but I'm hoping to get something cheaper. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 09:56:01 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 06:55:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Daylight Savings To: Todd Peer , AA DC Cycles Don't all Todd's work hard? I thought it was a requirement. :) Todd W. --- Todd Peer wrote: > Another Todd working too hard.....I totally > sympathize bro' > > Todd (Springfield) > > Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:29:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: Todd Withrow > Subject: Re: Daylight Savings > To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > --- EmergeOut@XXXXXX wrote: > > Ladies and Gentleman, Boys and Girls, Don't forget > > to set your clock an hour > > forward! > > > > Yeah, it sucks. Bad enough working 12.5 hour days. I > spend more time at work than at home. Now I got one > less hour last night, but the guys I relieved when I > came to work, got to work one less hour. :( > > Todd > > ===== > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 10:16:22 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:14:57 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Chris, I just bought a trailer kit from this outfit for my CRV. http://www.scandipacific.com/ It was a 1 day project assembling this thing, with a few trips to the hardware store for drill bits, new power drills etc. I bought the single rail MC trailer with the wider 8inch rails. It was $ 350.00 including shipping You will need a wiring harness and a trailer hitch for your Accord? about $ 150.00 more or less, and usually requires drilling. luckily my CRV has a trailer plug built in the existing harness ( no splicing, got to love Honda's), There is a web site that has all the info on what hitch kit and harness necessary, is bookmarked is on my home pc I will send you a link this evening. So far I am happy with the trailer, other that the titling crap with the MD DMV ($ 120 in tag, title and inspection fees) Cheers, George Cole George M Cole Technology Consultant www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 1-888-240-3154 >>> "Christopher Weaver" 04/03/01 03:42AM >>> Hi folks. I'm in the market for a motorcycle transportation vehicle. It'll be primarily for transporting the YSR and maybe assorted spares back and forth to the races once or twice a month, with some occasional use for larger sportbikes. I need something CHEAP and at least reasonably reliable. Cosmetics and high mileage are not much of an issue. I'm looking to get either a pickup truck, utility van, or a trailer. I imagine a small, single-rail trailer would be the cheapest solution, but I haven't found any suitable ones yet. If I can find a cheap pickup or van I'd prefer to do that, assuming the cost isn't prohibitive. I'm hoping to pick something up for $1000 or less if it's a truck or van or $400 or less if it's a trailer. So if anyone has a vehicle or trailer that you think might work, let me know! Chris Weaver EARA #24 VTR, YSR, dccycles.com P.S. Altaan, I know you said you had a truck for $2k, but I'm hoping to get something cheaper. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 10:22:33 2001 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "George Cole" , Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 04:21:54 -0400 George, Thanks for the info. I know about hitch-web.com and I already have a receiver hitch installed on my Acura Integra - didn't require any drilling, btw. I still need a wiring harness though - how difficult is that to install? I'll check out the website you listed - that price is pretty good. Thanks, Chris -----Original Message----- From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:15 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; chris.weaver@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Chris, I just bought a trailer kit from this outfit for my CRV. http://www.scandipacific.com/ It was a 1 day project assembling this thing, with a few trips to the hardware store for drill bits, new power drills etc. I bought the single rail MC trailer with the wider 8inch rails. It was $ 350.00 including shipping You will need a wiring harness and a trailer hitch for your Accord? about $ 150.00 more or less, and usually requires drilling. luckily my CRV has a trailer plug built in the existing harness ( no splicing, got to love Honda's), There is a web site that has all the info on what hitch kit and harness necessary, is bookmarked is on my home pc I will send you a link this evening. So far I am happy with the trailer, other that the titling crap with the MD DMV ($ 120 in tag, title and inspection fees) Cheers, George Cole From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 10:30:28 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:29:08 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: Backprotectors? Hi All, Does anyone have any feedback and or opinions on back/spine protectors? Since I am going to do a few track days this year I want to get something better than the pad in my Fieldshieer jacket. I am looking to something that is comfortable under my leathers and wearable on long street rides as well. The prices on these things are from $ 45.00 to $ 200.00 and up. Thanx for any info. George Cole From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 10:45:58 2001 From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'Christopher Weaver'" , George Cole , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:41:07 -0400 You might also try this website: http://www.harborfreight.com/ Do a keyword search on "trailer" and several different options appear. I've heard decent reviews from some of the slipstream guys that have owned the utility trailers used for hauling bikes. Would definitely recommend getting a utility/flatbed vs. rail trailer so that you can put other stuff on it. Integra's aren't sold for their excessive hauling capacity. Regarding wiring - I had it installed in my Solara by Capital Camper supply in Merrifield VA (right up the road from Grevey's). The $27.50 was money well spent vs. the hassle. I also installed my own hitch w/ just bolts. Capital has various trailers in stock as well, but are overpriced. I liked the 5x8 utility trailers on that place on 29 just south of 66 toward Gainesville. Nice easy-load ramp & everything for reasonable prices. -fellow VTR -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Weaver [mailto:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 4:22 AM To: George Cole; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport George, Thanks for the info. I know about hitch-web.com and I already have a receiver hitch installed on my Acura Integra - didn't require any drilling, btw. I still need a wiring harness though - how difficult is that to install? I'll check out the website you listed - that price is pretty good. Thanks, Chris -----Original Message----- From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:15 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; chris.weaver@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Chris, I just bought a trailer kit from this outfit for my CRV. http://www.scandipacific.com/ It was a 1 day project assembling this thing, with a few trips to the hardware store for drill bits, new power drills etc. I bought the single rail MC trailer with the wider 8inch rails. It was $ 350.00 including shipping You will need a wiring harness and a trailer hitch for your Accord? about $ 150.00 more or less, and usually requires drilling. luckily my CRV has a trailer plug built in the existing harness ( no splicing, got to love Honda's), There is a web site that has all the info on what hitch kit and harness necessary, is bookmarked is on my home pc I will send you a link this evening. So far I am happy with the trailer, other that the titling crap with the MD DMV ($ 120 in tag, title and inspection fees) Cheers, George Cole From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 11:01:53 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:01:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport To: George Cole , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, chris.weaver@XXXXXX Thanks for this link, these guys have great prices. I need some rails for my older 1972 trailer that was made when tires were real skinny. I've been looking for quite some time for some but most place want to bend you over the coals for rails. Glenn --- George Cole wrote: > Chris, > > I just bought a trailer kit from this outfit for my > CRV. > > http://www.scandipacific.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 11:03:19 2001 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "George Cole" , Subject: RE: Backprotectors? Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 05:02:36 -0400 I have the seven-plate Teknic back protector. It's pretty good I guess. ::shrug:: I haven't taken a spill with it, so who knows. Seems pretty beefy. I got it as a gift, but I think it's somewhere between $50-100. Chris -----Original Message----- From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:29 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Backprotectors? Hi All, Does anyone have any feedback and or opinions on back/spine protectors? Since I am going to do a few track days this year I want to get something better than the pad in my Fieldshieer jacket. I am looking to something that is comfortable under my leathers and wearable on long street rides as well. The prices on these things are from $ 45.00 to $ 200.00 and up. Thanx for any info. George Cole From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 11:44:43 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:44:25 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: George Cole Subject: Re: Backprotectors? George, I have a Fieldsheer 7-plate backprotector, probably pretty similar to Chris Weaver's Teknic. I got mine from http://www.newenough.com for something like $70 or so. Was wearing it when I lowsided at CSS@VIR. Wasn't wearing it when I hit the deer. From what I can tell it's a quality back protector at a reasonable price. To get a substantially "better" back protector, I think you have to ante up for the Knox, which I think is top notch (but just wasn't in my budget). Chuck George Cole wrote: > > Hi All, > > Does anyone have any feedback and or opinions on back/spine protectors? > > Since I am going to do a few track days this year I want to get something better than the pad in my Fieldshieer jacket. > > I am looking to something that is comfortable under my leathers and wearable on long street rides as well. > > The prices on these things are from $ 45.00 to $ 200.00 and up. > > Thanx for any info. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 12:16:55 2001 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 06:16:12 -0400 For the edification of other listers: I contacted ScandiPacific about their $245 one-rail moto trailer. They said if I want to use the trailer for my VTR, I'll have to upgrade to the wider rail at an additional cost of $30, plus $88 shipping to Virginia. That comes to $363, which now seems significantly more pricy than I was hoping. Harbor Freight has a foldable trailer, but it doesn't come with the rail. I could order just a rail from ScandiPacific for $50, plus the trailer for about $220. Assuming shipping is a similar cost, I'm looking at $358 for this option which ain't much better (and I might have problems fitting the rail). I'll keep these options in mind - they may be the cheapest option out there, unless I can find something local which I won't have to ship. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR, dccycles.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 12:29:07 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:29:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "E. Rittershausen" Subject: Re: Gasonline grade threatd again To: DC Cycles Oh no, not the gas thread. Octane is a measure of a fuel's resistance to detonation. In a given situation where 87 causes detonation, 89 MIGHT not. depends on how bad the conditions are. In some engines with sophisticated engine management controls, higher octane will make a difference, as the system will automatically advance engine timing until detonation, then retard slightly. Here, higher octane will make a difference, and give better performance. On most engines, you're not going to see a difference. Todd --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Is it that time of year for gasoline grade again? > > if I recall correctly... 93 octane doesn't have more power (btu's) > than 89 octane.. however at high rpm the gas detonates smoother > and more consistently. > > I use 89 in my 95 kawasaki and my friend has used it in his honda > F2... He says he's going to start using 93 octane... I'm > thinking.. with a 20 cents difference per gallon, with every fill > up, > he's throwing away a buck.. that's how i see it. what do you think? > > Danny ===== Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 12:32:50 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:31:26 -0400 From: "Scott Luttrell" To: "DC Cycle mailing list" Subject: Re: Motorcylce Auction in VA. April 7th Not sure about what else will be auction on the 7th but we'll be there to auction off a 1992 Honda RS125. There is two auctions that day, the first is at the old Colemen Powersports (forgot whats its new name is) in Falls Church at 1pm (viewing as early as 9am) the second is at the other Colemen Powersports in Woodbridge at 5pm. Call the shop for more details, I got their # from 411 its still listed as Colemens. Later Scott ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:29:32 EDT >I lost all my info! > >Someone please refresh my memory, when,where,time, what kind of motorcycles >will be at the auction this Saturday? Thanks for your help! > > -- Scott Luttrell Fast & Wily Racing www.fastandwily.com -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 12:38:37 2001 From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'Christopher Weaver'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:33:48 -0400 $363 & $358 are both less than $400... Anyway, forget the rail. Get a flatbed with a pop chock. If the bed is at least 5' wide, you could get multiple pop chocks and arrange them as needed to haul one bike in the middle or two side by side. Other than that try the classifieds for something used. -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Weaver [mailto:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 6:16 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport For the edification of other listers: I contacted ScandiPacific about their $245 one-rail moto trailer. They said if I want to use the trailer for my VTR, I'll have to upgrade to the wider rail at an additional cost of $30, plus $88 shipping to Virginia. That comes to $363, which now seems significantly more pricy than I was hoping. Harbor Freight has a foldable trailer, but it doesn't come with the rail. I could order just a rail from ScandiPacific for $50, plus the trailer for about $220. Assuming shipping is a similar cost, I'm looking at $358 for this option which ain't much better (and I might have problems fitting the rail). I'll keep these options in mind - they may be the cheapest option out there, unless I can find something local which I won't have to ship. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR, dccycles.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 13:25:23 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:25:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport To: Christopher Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Chris, $363 is a damn good price. Call any of the local bike shops, even some of the trailer shops around here and you be hard pressed to find a trailer this cheap. Also, I e-mailed them too and there trailers (or at least the rails which I was curious about) are 14 gauge steel. Glenn --- Christopher Weaver wrote: > For the edification of other listers: > > I contacted ScandiPacific about their $245 one-rail > moto trailer. They said > if I want to use the trailer for my VTR, I'll have > to upgrade to the wider > rail at an additional cost of $30, plus $88 shipping > to Virginia. That comes > to $363, which now seems significantly more pricy > than I was hoping. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 13:29:02 2001 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Glenn Dysart" , Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 07:28:21 -0400 You guys are right. It just started to add up with the extra costs, so after seeing the initial (great) price, I was disappointed that the final price was over $100 more. $363 is pretty good and I'll probably go with that. Cheers, Chris -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:25 PM To: Christopher Weaver; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Chris, $363 is a damn good price. Call any of the local bike shops, even some of the trailer shops around here and you be hard pressed to find a trailer this cheap. Also, I e-mailed them too and there trailers (or at least the rails which I was curious about) are 14 gauge steel. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 14:14:59 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:01:11 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , , Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Just remember tag, title fees etc. Va may not require an inspection but MD did. >>> "Christopher Weaver" 04/03/01 07:28AM >>> You guys are right. It just started to add up with the extra costs, so after seeing the initial (great) price, I was disappointed that the final price was over $100 more. $363 is pretty good and I'll probably go with that. Cheers, Chris -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:25 PM To: Christopher Weaver; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Chris, $363 is a damn good price. Call any of the local bike shops, even some of the trailer shops around here and you be hard pressed to find a trailer this cheap. Also, I e-mailed them too and there trailers (or at least the rails which I was curious about) are 14 gauge steel. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 14:14:58 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 12:59:54 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , , Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Anyone ,is welcome to check out my trailer if you wish to see it up close and built. Its the $ 363.00 model. Hell, I might be lazy this year and tow my bike out the twisties, to avoid the slab ride on the way home, and unnecessary wear on the middle of the tyres. George >>> Glenn Dysart 04/03/01 01:25PM >>> Chris, $363 is a damn good price. Call any of the local bike shops, even some of the trailer shops around here and you be hard pressed to find a trailer this cheap. Also, I e-mailed them too and there trailers (or at least the rails which I was curious about) are 14 gauge steel. Glenn --- Christopher Weaver wrote: > For the edification of other listers: > > I contacted ScandiPacific about their $245 one-rail > moto trailer. They said > if I want to use the trailer for my VTR, I'll have > to upgrade to the wider > rail at an additional cost of $30, plus $88 shipping > to Virginia. That comes > to $363, which now seems significantly more pricy > than I was hoping. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 14:27:38 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:24:20 -0400 From: "Judy La Follette" To: , , , Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport Chris, you might look into the permanent trailer tags as well. If you plan on keeping the trailer for at least two to three years, it is worth it. I believe the permanent tags cost me around $50 (in Virginia). >>> "George Cole" 04/03/01 02:01PM >>> Just remember tag, title fees etc. Va may not require an inspection but MD did. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 15:00:52 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:00:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: WTB: Truck or Other Moto Transport To: George Cole , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, chris.weaver@XXXXXX I think I remember that trailers under 1 ton (load) capacity don't require inspection. Glenn --- George Cole wrote: > Just remember tag, title fees etc. > > Va may not require an inspection but MD did. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 15:10:37 2001 From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Moto- transport vehicles Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:10:30

If any one needs trucks to transport bikes I have quite a few. Here they are:

1998 GMC 15' cube vans with trailer hitch approx. $16,000

1997 GMC 10' cube vans with trailer hitch approx.  $11,500

1998 Ford E-250 Extended vans tilt/cruise, captain chairs, approx. $12,000

1998 GMC 2500 Extended vans  approx. $12,000

All are automatic, a/c , very good condition , mileage varies

If you are interested you can e-mail me or call (877)535-3200 x 21

Thanks,

Dan Kenney

1997 Suzuki TL1000s RED

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From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 15:26:21 2001 From: Cedric Bernescut To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" , "CBR List (E-mail)" Subject: positive article Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:26:22 -0400 I was thumbing through the Post this morning when I came across this little blurb in the Health section. I figured with all the negative press that usually fills articles on riding, this comes as a pleasant surprise. http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29473-2001Apr2.html Cedric Bernescut Network Administrator Best file compression around: "DEL *.*"= 100% compression From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 15:46:09 2001 From: "Rob Keiser" To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: positive article Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 15:46:02 -0400 Amazing how being in the wind can give one a breath of fresh air. Thanks for sharing that. Good for her! Rob '98 VFR800 PS. All 500cc Suzuki's should look that, um Bavarian! ;) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 16:43:51 2001 From: "Danny Thompson" To: , "Suzuki SV 650" , Subject: '00 SV & '00 EX 500 for sale Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:41:45 -0400 Just a reminder, I have the afore mentioned bikes for sale. I need to sell them, need money for racing. Pictures and info can be seen at www.onewayracing.org. Located in Northern VA. Danny '98 VTR '00 SV (For Sale) '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 17:47:13 2001 From: Cedric Bernescut To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Amazing Price Difference Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:46:59 -0400 In case you hadn't come across this site yet, it illustrates attaching a heatsink to the RR. Cedric http://www.one-ring.net/vfrfaq/reg-rect.html I've heard of folks rigging up heat sinks and small fans onto their Reg/Recs in an effort to keep the heat down, but I don't recall whether these were effective or not. Chris Weaver '98 VTR (no RR problems so far), YSR, dccycles.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 20:46:48 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:48:11 -0400 From: Dave Yates To: Ninja List CC: SCOA List , SVT Cobra Mustang Club , SVT Mailing List , DCC Subject: new rant A little late, but well worth it... No whining, complaining rant, but more like crowing - finally, one for the UnderDog... The topic of this rant - successfully dealing with bullies (like the DMV). Only remotely on topic, some material not suited for younger viewers. Mild profanity, adult situations, etc, etc. For entertainment purposes only. http://www.radix.net/~sdave/Rantings.html#bullies Enjoy ! -- -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 21:10:10 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:57:07 -0400 To: From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: interesting article on TWO campground The Lane Ranger: TWO the one resort for bikers http://www.accessatlanta.com/partners/ajc/epaper/editions/sunday/local_news_ a36cdd71726861e50096.html M-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8 J. Andrew Culpepper King George, VA (540) 775-3984 '90 EX500 S-TRA# 100 MGNOC# 15488 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 21:10:57 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:10:51 -0400 To: From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Backprotectors? I tried on the Kobe and Wintex protectors while at Daytona. They looked identical but the Kobe comes in a 6 and 7 panel, the Wintex only in 6. I think the Kobe is made in Japan. The Wintex is made in Austria. I ended up ordering the Wintex when I got home at the show price of $60. You might get that price too if you ask. You can get the Kobe from the importer at http://www.1888fastlap.com/ You can get the Wintex from http://www.moto-heaven.com/ They don't provide the coverage of the Knox or Bohn, but it's sure is a lot better than the pad that came with my Fieldsheer jacket. M-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8 J. Andrew Culpepper King George, VA (540) 775-3984 '90 EX500 S-TRA# 100 MGNOC# 15488 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 21:57:31 2001 Date: 3 Apr 2001 18:57:24 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Subject: Supercamp-read if you need a laugh As matthew said earlier this week, Roach and I took supercamp this past sunday and monday...well, sort of. When Roach signed us up, the owner thought that I'd be fine in the "racers only" class of supercamp...turns out that wasn't totally correct. I've never ridden a dirt bike before, but figured this would be a fun class, so I decided to give it a shot. I was the only girl in there with 25 or so guys... since I had never ridden a dirt bike, this guy scooter said that he likes to take people out with him the first time. So basically, here was me and this 6' tall dude riding an XR100 together...he had me put my hands and feet on top of his so I could get the feel of how it was done...it was pretty cool. We rode around for a while, then it was my turn. I jumped on my little XR80, hit the first turn, and instead of rear brake and no throttle, it was no brake and all throttle, needless to say the bike spun out from under me and on the ground I went. bruised knee, bruised hip, bruised elbow and bruised ego. whoa... then they took me off to the side for some one on one instruction. this turned out to be great since it was just me with an instructor. they were really helpful and very encouraging. they told me they'd stay out there with me all day if I wanted to. anyways, long story short...I gave up. It was a tough decision because I knew if I kept at it longer, I could have gotten it...but what it came down to was that the racer group had their shit together. they were very aggressive and good at this, and I wasn't... But, I won't give up. Danny told me that I definitely had the aggression, but that the "non-racer" school would be better for someone who has never ridden a dirt bike. He said he'd give me a full refund, or sign me up for the november class. and that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to take the November non-racer class, so if any of you want to take it with me, I'd be very happy to have someone along for the ride. I will give the class five stars. the instructors were incredibly encouraging and I know it will be a lot of fun when I take it next time!!!! LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 22:12:57 2001 From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Handheld ban progress Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:24:50 -0400 Spring brings the flowers -- here's a bloomer. 20 c.i. in the NYTimes today: "New York Gets Closer to Ban on Driving With a Hand on the Phone. ... likely that New York will be among the first states in the country to adopt such a ban. ...." An online version at http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/03/nyregion/03PHON.html Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Of course! It's impossible to bite a big apple while driving and phoning. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 22:33:25 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:33:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzookus Maximus Subject: Time Table for April 21-22 @ Summit To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was wondering if anyone knew the hour by hour schedule for the WERA event at Summit Point on 4/21 & 4/22. -jeff ===== ->bike: '00 GSX-R750 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 23:04:26 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:03:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Time Table for April 21-22 @ Summit It's not posted yet, but look for it at http://www.wera.com Andrew '90 EX500 At 10:33 PM 4/3/01 , Suzookus Maximus wrote: >I was wondering if anyone knew the hour by hour >schedule for the WERA event at Summit Point on 4/21 & >4/22. > >-jeff > >===== >->bike: '00 GSX-R750 >->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX >->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 23:35:45 2001 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Time Table for April 21-22 @ Summit Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:38:28 -0400 Just an FYI, there really isn't an "hour by hour" schedule. Practice is from 8am till 11am, then lunch, then racing at noon until 5pm. (This is on both days) The additional info posted on the website will be the order of the races, but you'd have to guestimate as to when each would start - that varies depending on weather, red flags, ambulance issues, pauxatany phil, etc. - Roach On Tue, 03 Apr 2001, Andrew Culpepper wrote: > It's not posted yet, but look for it at http://www.wera.com > > Andrew > '90 EX500 > > At 10:33 PM 4/3/01 , Suzookus Maximus wrote: > >I was wondering if anyone knew the hour by hour > >schedule for the WERA event at Summit Point on 4/21 & > >4/22. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 3 23:45:34 2001 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Supercamp-read if you need a laugh Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:48:23 -0400 I had a great time :) I was T-boned a couple times, run over once, high-sided myself, low-sided myself... all and all a rousing good time. I also got to slide through a corner next to the AMA National dirt track champion Chris Carr, banging bars on the exit and down the little front stretch... THAT, I do believe, is priceless! OF course, he was shouting at me and goading me on the whole time... but I'll take what I can get ;) It's unlikely that much of it applies to modern roadracing... (Danny may not believe it, but "backing it in" has little use in modern roadracing due to chassis and tire technology advances) but I did learn how to dirt/flat track, which is kinda cool. The one thing that *does* apply is throttle control - I can see where lots of practice sliding dirtbikes could really help with that. And, of course, anytime you can spend two days riding a motorcycle continuously is good riding experience no matter what you're doing. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 09:28:33 2001 X-igwMailID: f34DOea56882.U04 X-Lotus-FromDomain: DSC From: ddiefend@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 09:21:20 -0400 Subject: cheap trailers... Home Depot sells a 4x8 ft folding trailer for $212.00 add a 3/4" pressure treated plywood, and a rail and you are all set for about $300.00. Will hauls lots of other stuff too. Mine, I widened to 7 ft wide and haul 2 bikes and the monthly dump run! Still have less than $500 in it. Dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 09:54:48 2001 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , Subject: RE: cheap trailers... Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 03:54:09 -0400 Thanks, Dave. I went ahead and ordered the single-rail trailer from ScandiPacific. It seems like a pretty reasonable price. They said I can add plywood to it later to form a flatbed which I'll use for spares, gas cans, etc. while hauling my racebike. (It stills seems wierd calling it a racebike, as it's only 50cc, but I'll get over the inferiority complex eventually :^) I'm already starting to think about 125 or 250 gp bikes and I haven't even started my first race!) Chris Weaver EARA #24 VTR, YSR, dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: ddiefend@XXXXXX [mailto:ddiefend@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:21 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: cheap trailers... Home Depot sells a 4x8 ft folding trailer for $212.00 add a 3/4" pressure treated plywood, and a rail and you are all set for about $300.00. Will hauls lots of other stuff too. Mine, I widened to 7 ft wide and haul 2 bikes and the monthly dump run! Still have less than $500 in it. Dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 10:07:27 2001 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 07:07:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: interesting article on TWO campground To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That's too cool for school. We need one around here. Matt --- Andrew Culpepper wrote: > The Lane Ranger: TWO the one resort for bikers > > > http://www.accessatlanta.com/partners/ajc/epaper/editions/sunday/local_news_ > > a36cdd71726861e50096.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 10:47:21 2001 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 07:46:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: interesting article on TWO campground To: Matthew Rosenstock , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > That's too cool for school. We need one around here. > > Matt Depending on what you mean by "around here" (i.e. what distance) there is Rustling Leaves Motorcycle Resort near Buena Vista, VA. They are currently planning on opening up this fall. http://www.rustlingleaves.com/ Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 12:28:05 2001 From: "Altaan Choudhry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Suzuki TL1000S Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 12:27:58 -0400 Hey Everybody Anybody on this list owns a Suzuki TL1000S or R ? Regards Altaan Choudhry 9D7 TLS _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 12:40:58 2001 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 11:41:14 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Suzuki TL1000S I own apprx 1.7 '98 TL1000R's. S At 12:27 PM 4/4/01 -0400, Altaan Choudhry wrote: >Hey Everybody > >Anybody on this list owns a Suzuki TL1000S or R ? > >Regards > >Altaan Choudhry >9D7 TLS >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 12:51:30 2001 From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'Christopher Weaver'" , ddiefend@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cheap trailers... Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:46:24 -0400 One other thought on cost: Don't forget you need to buy straps if you don't already have them. Home Depot has lots, and much cheaper than through moto-mags. You might also want a spare for the trailer. -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Weaver [mailto:chris.weaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 3:54 AM To: ddiefend@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cheap trailers... Thanks, Dave. I went ahead and ordered the single-rail trailer from ScandiPacific. It seems like a pretty reasonable price. They said I can add plywood to it later to form a flatbed which I'll use for spares, gas cans, etc. while hauling my racebike. (It stills seems wierd calling it a racebike, as it's only 50cc, but I'll get over the inferiority complex eventually :^) I'm already starting to think about 125 or 250 gp bikes and I haven't even started my first race!) Chris Weaver EARA #24 VTR, YSR, dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: ddiefend@XXXXXX [mailto:ddiefend@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:21 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: cheap trailers... Home Depot sells a 4x8 ft folding trailer for $212.00 add a 3/4" pressure treated plywood, and a rail and you are all set for about $300.00. Will hauls lots of other stuff too. Mine, I widened to 7 ft wide and haul 2 bikes and the monthly dump run! Still have less than $500 in it. Dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 14:22:48 2001 From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Backprotectors? Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:23:21 -0400 I have a Dainese gilet that's converts me from unprotected rider to Middle-aged Moto Ninja Turtle with a single zipper. Mr. Crash Happy Peoples Republic of Alexandria MRF 1012503, AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" > -----Original Message-----From: "George Cole"----- > > Hi All, > > Does anyone have any feedback and or opinions on back/spine > protectors? From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 14:48:45 2001 X-Server-Uuid: 3c44c092-e9c9-445a-86b1-536a7b104ca9 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:25:58 -0400 From: "Navarro, Edmond" Subject: Bike for sale '95 YZF-600R To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" X-WSS-ID: 16D5B8C72220632-01-01 > 1995 YZF-600R Blue/Purple. Bike is in great condition, with 11K miles. > New tires (Dunlop Sportmax ZR 17), Oakley tinted windshield, stock pipe. > Price is $3800. If interested call Eddy @ 240-372-0543. From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 15:28:36 2001 From: Cedric Bernescut To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Back protectors? Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:28:30 -0400 Is that the Dianese unit that's a back protector and body armor in one? I saw it at Fast Lane Cycles and it looked top notch, but at $337.00 it's way out of the budget. Still, with my First Gear Scout jacket having no armor at all, I need to get something. Cedric Bernescut Network Administrator Best file compression around: "DEL *.*"= 100% compression I have a Dainese gilet that's converts me from unprotected rider to Middle-aged Moto Ninja Turtle with a single zipper. Mr. Crash Happy Peoples Republic of Alexandria MRF 1012503, AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" > -----Original Message-----From: "George Cole"----- > > Hi All, > > Does anyone have any feedback and or opinions on back/spine > protectors? From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 15:39:33 2001 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 15:39:14 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Back protectors? To: Cc: Actually, I think he's talking about a different model. If you go to www.motorace.com and go to the Safety section under Dainese, you'll find the Gilet backprotector. I think you're talking about the S Jacket protectors. The Gilets run about $200. I'm actually thinking about buying one since all this talk started. :-) Scooter In a message dated Wed, 4 Apr 2001 3:31:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Cedric Bernescut writes: << Is that the Dianese unit that's a back protector and body armor in one? I saw it at Fast Lane Cycles and it looked top notch, but at $337.00 it's way out of the budget. Still, with my First Gear Scout jacket having no armor at all, I need to get something. Cedric Bernescut Network Administrator Best file compression around: "DEL *.*"= 100% compression I have a Dainese gilet that's converts me from unprotected rider to Middle-aged Moto Ninja Turtle with a single zipper. Mr. Crash Happy Peoples Republic of Alexandria MRF 1012503, AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" > -----Original Message-----From: "George Cole"----- > > Hi All, > > Does anyone have any feedback and or opinions on back/spine > protectors? >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 20:22:28 2001 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: Dave Yates Rantz Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:21:52 -0400 Dave Yates writes: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- A little late, but well worth it... No whining, complaining rant, but more like crowing - finally, one for the UnderDog... The topic of this rant - successfully dealing with bullies (like the DMV). Only remotely on topic, some material not suited for younger viewers. Mild profanity, adult situations, etc, etc. For entertainment purposes only. http://www.radix.net/~sdave/Rantings.html#bullies ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Good for you Dave. Not sure exactly what the trickle down will be to the functionary that set you in motion, but I get the idea you enjoyed yourself in any case. God hates gubmn't too. Feel rightous! Todd (Springfield) From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 20:40:59 2001 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:42:33 -0400 From: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dave Yates Rantz Todd Peer congratulated: > > Good for you Dave. Not sure exactly what the trickle down will be to the > functionary that set you in motion, but I get the idea you enjoyed yourself > in any case. Thanks, Todd... I can only hope for a little wrist slap from the commisioner's office. As I understand, my state delegate and senator have already been in touch concerning this - as I put it - "rude, crude, crass & uncouth behavior"... > > God hates gubmn't too. As well he should :-) > Feel rightous! Neighbors must think I'm nuts - 'hey Mable... what the hell's he doin?' 'Looks like the jitterbug to me, Clem'... Felt pretty good puttin' them stickers on the plates... -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 20:45:24 2001 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:47:03 -0400 From: Dave Yates To: DCC , Ninja List Subject: RIP Die Hard. It would seem that the Empire has succeeded in disabling the Hyper drive on the Millenium Falcon. My die hard of 2.8 years (give or take) has expired, battery tender be damned.. TOWMBO will be picking one up for me tommorrow. I knew it was going out, I just hoped to be able to ride to a shop to get one... Yard & housework be damned, I will get some saddle time this weekend -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148/'90 ZX 11 'Acceleratus Maximus' MVS Systems Programmer http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 4 21:48:52 2001 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:48:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brian Summers Subject: For Sale - 94' VFR750F 1994 Honda VFR750F - Red, Two Brothers Carbon Fiber Slip-on, Dynojet jet kit, K&N filter, Corbin seat, stainless brake lines. Excellent condition, all service records, never dropped, needs nothing, original owner. Comes with matching, soft saddle bags, Solo Cowl, two service manuals. $5450/obo Northern VA Area. Email Brian at racrbri@XXXXXX or call 703-801-4533. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 08:01:03 2001 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 05:00:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Backprotectors? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just another FYI on back protectors. I had quite a lengthy conversation with one of the Motoport guys at the Philly show this year. His words were "don't waste extra money on the Hard Plastic or Kevlar finish on back protectors as they don't do anything extra to protect you". He said the same for the gloves that are made that way... said he only sells them because people ask for them. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 08:10:01 2001 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Dc-Cycles" , "Dccycles2" Subject: Powder Coating in area? Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:09:24 -0400 Is there anyone in the area good at powder coating? I have a set of wheels I want to get black powder coated. I want someone who will do all from prep to finish. The wheels are white now, and I will have all hardware removed. Any guess on cost? I want a quality job. Gary Foreman (TL Owners Club) mailto:gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 08:28:39 2001 From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: Dc-Cycles , Dccycles2 Subject: Wrenches with EGA? Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:27:44 -0400 Looking around for a decent shop in this area that has an Exhaust Gas Analyzer and trained EGA tech who can "fine tune" a jet kit I installed myself. Any suggestions? From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 08:36:57 2001 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 07:37:13 -0700 To: "Myles, Gregory S." , Dc-Cycles , Dccycles2 From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Wrenches with EGA? My sponsor, Cycle Accessory Discounters, has the standard dynojet exhaust analyzer set up with their dyno. They are in Gaithersburg, MD 301 977-7188. Ask for Dave. Tell him I sent you. S At 08:27 AM 4/5/01 -0400, Myles, Gregory S. wrote: > >Looking around for a decent shop in this area that has an Exhaust Gas >Analyzer and trained EGA tech who can "fine tune" a jet kit I installed >myself. Any suggestions? > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 08:51:58 2001 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:51:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "lisa@XXXXXX" To: dccycles Subject: Nighthawk with Broken shift lever Hey guy with the broken shift lever on a red nighthawk, are you on this list? Did you make it to your destination OK? Lisa '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 08:59:17 2001 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 08:58:21 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Backprotectors? In terms of actual impact protection, he's probably right. It's the crushable foam that actually provides the real protection/cushion from impact. So in that sense, the "hard stuff" is extraneous. But hard plastic/carbon/kevlar does wonders for providing mega abrasion resistance. And I suppose it provides another layer of impact protection. Hey, plus it looks cool! %^) Chuck Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Just another FYI on back protectors. I had quite a > lengthy conversation with one of the Motoport guys at > the Philly show this year. His words were "don't > waste extra money on the Hard Plastic or Kevlar finish > on back protectors as they don't do anything extra to > protect you". He said the same for the gloves that > are made that way... said he only sells them because > people ask for them. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 09:06:55 2001 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 06:06:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Powder Coating in area? To: dccycles2@XXXXXX, Dc-Cycles Didn't Daniel say that the place he works now does this sort of thing? Danny, what about it? Chris Weaver VTR, YSR, dccycles.com --- Gary Foreman wrote: > Is there anyone in the area good at powder coating? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 09:38:49 2001 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: "ManBike" for sale on Classifieds2000 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:38:41 -0400 I just saw this ad for a Kawasaki "ManBike" The description is pretty funny... http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C18+A0+R198715+Q353394957 Perry _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 10:03:36 2001 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Backprotectors? Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:00:58 -0400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 Glenn wrote: His words were "don't waste extra money on the Hard Plastic or Kevlar finish on back protectors as they don't do anything extra to protect you". He said the same for the gloves that are made that way You may want to talk to Jeff Ozeman. I'm sure he'd disagree, especially about the gloves. After seeing his gloves after a crash at Summit, I believe he'd have some serious hand damage wo the carbon/kevlar knuckle protection. His hand must have gotten stuck under some piece of the bike knuckles down. He came out unscathed, but needed a new set of $200 gloves (money well spent). Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 10:11:14 2001 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:11:11 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: "ManBike" for sale on Classifieds2000 ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Perry Coleman" >I just saw this ad for a Kawasaki "ManBike" >The description is pretty funny... >http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C18+A0+R198715+Q353394957 > Ha ha! Pretty good. However, I think the translation is "this bike is ragged-out". Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 10:11:47 2001 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 10:09:49 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Backprotectors? To: the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Chuck Pena wrote: > > So in that sense, the "hard stuff" is extraneous. But hard > plastic/carbon/kevlar does wonders for providing mega abrasion > resistance. I thought the real problem with "hard stuff" in back protectors and other pads it that it promotes wear-through and tearing of the suit (leather or cordura) in a long slide? I've also heard that while Kevlar is great against tearing or piercing, it sux for abrasion, and really doesn't belong in motorcycle gear. Tell that to the marketing drones, though. These are the same folks who thought putting Teflon in motor oil was a good idea... Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 12:19:35 2001 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:19:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Powder Coating in area? I got my wheels done at American Stripping in Manassas. I don't have anything to compare it too but I'm pleased with the results. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 12:24:07 2001 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:24:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Good thing he didn't own a bike! (fwd) Forwarded from VFR list. BLIND DRUNK DRIVER IS FINED By BRANDON MALINSKY http://www.the-sun.co.uk/news/13560102 A MAN who is totally blind has been fined for DRIVING while three times over the drink limit. The 33-year-old masseur pulled slowly out of a parking bay in front of a blind school and started to drive along the road. He was seen moving the car forward inches at a time, then getting out and feeling around in front of the vehicle. When he was sure nothing was in the way he would get back behind the wheel and drive on another few feet or so. Inspector Lothar Neumann told a court in Mainz, Germany: "Police were called by a man who knew he was blind and was terrified he might have an accident. "It was very easy to catch him up as he was only going about 20 inches at a time. He didn't cause a scratch to his car or to any others." The driver, who has not been named, made it 15 yards down the road. Mr Neumann said he had bought the Opel car so other people could drive him around. But after drinking he decided he wanted to have a go on his own. The man, who has not been named, also admitted driving without a licence and was fined a total of M-#1,000. ------------------------------------------------------------------ The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 12:40:04 2001 From: Brian Roach To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Backprotectors? Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:43:08 -0400 Carbon on back protectors: The outer shell of a back protecter serves to distribute impact force and to protect from piercing. Fall on a sharp rock (or worse... maybe a footpeg) and you'll be thankfull for having it. Carbon on gloves: I'll show you my gloves from Road-Atlanta which have carbon fiber knuckle guards - without them I would be missing the tops of my 3rd and 4th knuckles on my right hand. Kevlar Garments: Every one of these that I've seen have been Carbon-Kevlar weave. I met a guy at Summit last year who was wearing a full racing suit made out of the stuff, and from the scuffs and abrasions on the suit I'd say it works just fine (Though... I think I'll stick to good 'ol cow... call me old fashioned :) ) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 13:07:01 2001 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:06:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Backprotectors? > I've also > heard that while Kevlar is great against tearing or piercing, See: http://www.aerostich.com/isroot/riderwearhouse/DirectPages/straightstory.html Has a couple references to Cycle mag's testing on various materials. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 13:12:33 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Hugh Caldwell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good thing he didn't own a bike! (fwd) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:18:15 -0700 If he was in a parking lot he might be able to beat the case if it was private property... I always wondered what laws applied to parking lots.. if it's not private property... danny From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 13:26:47 2001 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:24:06 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Backprotectors? To: roach@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Brian Roach wrote: > > Carbon on back protectors: The outer shell of a back protecter serves to > distribute impact force and to protect from piercing. Fall on a sharp rock > (or worse... maybe a footpeg) and you'll be thankfull for having it. > > Carbon on gloves: I'll show you my gloves from Road-Atlanta which have carbon > fiber knuckle guards - without them I would be missing the tops of my 3rd and > 4th knuckles on my right hand. Not disputing the effectiveness of hard-shell armor. Just suggesting that if it's worn underneath full leathers (or a cordura riding suit) it's more likely to wear through the outer material if you find yourself sliding on asphalt. I'd like to see a suit with hard armored outer bits at elbows, shoulders, knees, forearms, with softer padding underneath (maybe even on the inside of the suit). Problem is, it would look strange (like a Mad Max movie extra?) and probably not sell all that well. Sad. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider #322 Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 13:32:32 2001 From: Danny Thompson To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Backprotectors? Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:36:03 -0400 Encoding: 51 TEXT They have them now. The new suits (don't remember the brand) at Fast Lane's have them and I think the new Kobe's have them. They do look even more like Power Rangers, but if I was in the market, I would consider them, especially the Kobe's. Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '98 VTR '00 SV (For SALE) www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:24 PM, Dale Horstman [SMTP:the.horkster@XXXXXX] wrote: > Brian Roach wrote: > > > > Carbon on back protectors: The outer shell of a back protecter serves to > > distribute impact force and to protect from piercing. Fall on a sharp rock > > (or worse... maybe a footpeg) and you'll be thankfull for having it. > > > > Carbon on gloves: I'll show you my gloves from Road-Atlanta which have > > carbon > > fiber knuckle guards - without them I would be missing the tops of my 3rd > > and > > 4th knuckles on my right hand. > > Not disputing the effectiveness of hard-shell armor. Just suggesting > that if it's worn underneath full leathers (or a cordura riding suit) > it's more likely to wear through the outer material if you find yourself > sliding on asphalt. I'd like to see a suit with hard armored outer bits at > elbows, shoulders, knees, forearms, with softer padding underneath (maybe > even on the inside of the suit). > > Problem is, it would look strange (like a Mad Max movie extra?) and > probably not sell all that well. Sad. > > Horkster > > -- > Mandatory second line (CM tm) > > Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX - MD 20-20 Rider #11, AWSHIDT Rider > #322 > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 5 13:41:12 2001 From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'Dale Horstman'" , roach@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Backprotectors? Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:36:16 -0400 -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:the.horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:24 PM To: roach@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Backprotectors? <> You could say the same about just about stuff the Hardley people wear, yet it sells tons... Brian Roach wrote: > > Carbon on back protectors: The outer shell of a back protecter serves to > distribute impact force and to protect from piercing. Fall on a sharp rock