From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 1 15:07:02 2000 From: "Frank Wegerich" To: , Subject: RE: Used beemers Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 15:07:42 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Maybe you checked this site allready .... http://www.mortonsbmw.com/ Frank BMW1100RT -----Original Message----- From: Paul Elkouss [mailto:pelkouss@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 19:20 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Used beemers Hello, I am a professional lurker ;) I noticed the mess at the basin also. I parked a little farther and walked a little; thought it would be easier. A friend of mine is interested in the BMW r1100s, and I am wondering if you fellows have seen any used ones around. Thanks. Paul Elkouss 1990 Yamaha radian From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 1 16:27:01 2000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 16:23:21 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: m/c crunch on Columbia Pike (VA) No idea what caused this one. I was in the 4WD tank on the way back from Crossroads Cycles and saw a black full-dresser Harley belly up. Cop was on the scene but I didn't see the rider about or any other involved vehicle so the incident had happened earlier. About noon or shortly thereafter. From the metal scrapes on the road the Hawg slid for a looonngg time. From the looks of the Hawg while idling past it may have flipped and dragged both sides. Yes - there was an intersection. Stay awake, stay alert y`all. Bill on four wheels seeing as my Hawg puked the oil pump. From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 1 17:35:11 2000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 17:33 -0500 From: "Rob Bell" To: "VFR-digest@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: @#$%^!#$^! BDC and resultant parts needed Well, thanks to some asshole my beloved viffer is no longer pristine. Scene: went to join a few friends to relax after a long week. street parked in DC (against better judgement). due to crown of street and some excess macadam I couldn't get a good park on sidestand. so.. I put it pretty much perpendicular to curb on centerstand w/ front locked. Ahh there's the rub: Asshole BDC somehow manages to hit the front tire knocking bike over onto right side. Of course doesn't stop. Results: Cosmetic livable/fixable damage - scratched front brake lever, bent rear brake lever, small nick in frame from rear brake lever, scratched passenger peg, scratched pillion, small nicks in engine case right above lower fairing Cosmetic need (expensive) replacement parts - scratched R rear fairing (smallish spot), scratched/nicked R lower fairing, trashed R upper fairing Worrisome /expensive damage - forks slightly out of alignment (1/8-1/4"), broken ignition housing, broken upper triple clamp, deformed lock hole in frame Tthe whack to the tire w/ the fork locked was enough to knock the forks out of alignment and break the housing of the ignition where the plunger goes into the steering stem. The lock/ignition itself is okay. In addition, there's a small projection on the bottom of either side of the upper triple clamp to hold the ignition housing in place and make the locking action workable. The one on the left is busted off. I've straightened the rear brake lever and am pretty sure I can polish the front w/ a dremel but want to replace anyway. Looks like I have an excuse to get some of those nifty uncondomized '00 mirrors. I'm also rethinking taking the passenger pegs off b/c it clearly helped minimize damage on the back side. Fortunately the Micron was untouched. Wanted: any of above named parts. used is fine as long as there are no scratches, nicks etc. Any advice on what else to look for? besides a non-street parking spot =( Rob '96 VFR gaithersburg MD From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 1 18:15:51 2000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 18:12:10 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Rob Bell CC: "VFR-digest@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: @#$%^!#$^! BDC and resultant parts needed What to look for? How about collision and comprehensive insurance? Or is just old farts like me who pay ther extra $100/yr for that? Bill Rob Bell wrote: > Well, thanks to some asshole my beloved viffer is no longer pristine. > > Scene: > went to join a few friends to relax after a long week. street parked in DC > (against better judgement). due to crown of street and some excess macadam I > couldn't get a good park on sidestand. so.. I put it pretty much perpendicular > to curb on centerstand w/ front locked. > > Ahh there's the rub: > Asshole BDC somehow manages to hit the front tire knocking bike over onto right > side. Of course doesn't stop. > > Results: > Cosmetic livable/fixable damage - > scratched front brake lever, bent rear brake lever, small nick in frame from > rear brake lever, scratched passenger peg, scratched pillion, small nicks in > engine case right above lower fairing > Cosmetic need (expensive) replacement parts - > scratched R rear fairing (smallish spot), scratched/nicked R lower fairing, > trashed R upper fairing > Worrisome /expensive damage - > forks slightly out of alignment (1/8-1/4"), broken ignition housing, broken > upper triple clamp, deformed lock hole in frame > > Tthe whack to the tire w/ the fork locked was enough to knock the forks out of > alignment and break the housing of the ignition where the plunger goes into the > steering stem. The lock/ignition itself is okay. In addition, there's a small > projection on the bottom of either side of the upper triple clamp to hold the > ignition housing in place and make the locking action workable. The one on the > left is busted off. > > I've straightened the rear brake lever and am pretty sure I can polish the front > w/ a dremel but want to replace anyway. Looks like I have an excuse to get some > of those nifty uncondomized '00 mirrors. > > I'm also rethinking taking the passenger pegs off b/c it clearly helped minimize > damage on the back side. Fortunately the Micron was untouched. > > Wanted: > any of above named parts. > used is fine as long as there are no scratches, nicks etc. > > Any advice on what else to look for? besides a non-street parking spot =( > > Rob > '96 VFR > gaithersburg MD From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 1 18:22:23 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 18:22:11 EST Subject: Re: @#$%^!#$^! BDC and resultant parts needed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/1/00 6:17:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: << What to look for? How about collision and comprehensive insurance? Or is just old farts like me who pay ther extra $100/yr for that? >> I agree. If there's that much damage-and assuming you've got the coverage-I'd let insurance take care of it. I don't know how much that coverage costs on a sportbike, but on my Guzzi it's about $100 a year with a $250 deductible. I'd rather pay $250 than however much it costs to repair/replace all that plastic. Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 1 20:13:24 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Rob Bell" Cc: "VFR-digest@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: @#$%^!#$^! BDC and resultant parts needed Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 04:15:39 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e321Dc927723 www.motosalvage.com put in a parts request with what your looking for (and condition). Ask that they email you prices and several boneyards will email you prices. Daniel On Sat, 01 Apr 2000 17:33 -0500, you wrote: |>Well, thanks to some asshole my beloved viffer is no longer pristine. |> |>Scene: |>went to join a few friends to relax after a long week. street parked in DC |>(against better judgement). due to crown of street and some excess macadam I |>couldn't get a good park on sidestand. so.. I put it pretty much perpendicular |>to curb on centerstand w/ front locked. |> |>Ahh there's the rub: |>Asshole BDC somehow manages to hit the front tire knocking bike over onto right |>side. Of course doesn't stop. |> |>Results: |>Cosmetic livable/fixable damage - |>scratched front brake lever, bent rear brake lever, small nick in frame from |>rear brake lever, scratched passenger peg, scratched pillion, small nicks in |>engine case right above lower fairing |>Cosmetic need (expensive) replacement parts - |>scratched R rear fairing (smallish spot), scratched/nicked R lower fairing, |>trashed R upper fairing |>Worrisome /expensive damage - |>forks slightly out of alignment (1/8-1/4"), broken ignition housing, broken |>upper triple clamp, deformed lock hole in frame |> |>Tthe whack to the tire w/ the fork locked was enough to knock the forks out of |>alignment and break the housing of the ignition where the plunger goes into the |>steering stem. The lock/ignition itself is okay. In addition, there's a small |>projection on the bottom of either side of the upper triple clamp to hold the |>ignition housing in place and make the locking action workable. The one on the |>left is busted off. |> |>I've straightened the rear brake lever and am pretty sure I can polish the front |>w/ a dremel but want to replace anyway. Looks like I have an excuse to get some |>of those nifty uncondomized '00 mirrors. |> |>I'm also rethinking taking the passenger pegs off b/c it clearly helped minimize |>damage on the back side. Fortunately the Micron was untouched. |> |>Wanted: |>any of above named parts. |>used is fine as long as there are no scratches, nicks etc. |> |>Any advice on what else to look for? besides a non-street parking spot =( |> |>Rob |>'96 VFR |>gaithersburg MD From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 1 21:04:55 2000 Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 18:04:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: re: New vs. Used To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey!! that's not always the case... my old 93 gixer had 1 scratch on the entire bike when I sold it to buy my race bike, and I did that the day before I sold it... it had 32 thousand miles on it...When I dropped it off at Mike O's house, he was in shock.. looked like it just came off the showroom floor... Can't believe you're even pondering getting rid of that nice RR for a Cowasucky!! lol...thought you had seen the light after selling that nice ZX11 you had... hehehe Having ridden with you lots, I could see you on a 2000 GSXR before any of the cows!! (anyone wanna buy me one as a new racebike?? ligther than an R6 and has 128RWHP!!! yummy!!) Collin Tom G. wrote: I noticed you avoid the 'damaged paint job' subject altogether. How very convenient for you.....but you and I both know what mileage does to a bike's finish. ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 1 21:29:01 2000 From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:28:49 EST Subject: No ride for me To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX To all those who met at the Sheetz at the 55 and 17........ Sorry, I tried. I really, really did. FMS didn't open until nine and there was a great deal of confusion. This weekend was there open house. All this combined with some wrong turns ultimately proved fatal to my plans. I hope everybody had a good ride. I'll have to make it next time. Thanks for thinking about me! Take care, Jeff From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 1 23:28:51 2000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 23:29:13 -0800 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Accept-Language: en To: MOTO748@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Danny Thompson Subject: Re: No ride for me Jeff, We had a fun ride. Thanx again Danny! BTW, it's a good thing you didn't try to meet us at the Sheetz at Route 55 and 17. Danny's ride announcement posting had a typo -- the Sheetz is at Route 55 and 15. Of course, we all knew that! %^) Cheers, Chuck MOTO748@XXXXXX wrote: > > To all those who met at the Sheetz at the 55 and 17........ > > Sorry, I tried. I really, really did. FMS didn't open until nine and > there was a great > deal of confusion. This weekend was there open house. All this combined with > some wrong turns ultimately proved fatal to my plans. > > I hope everybody had a good ride. I'll have to make it next time. > Thanks for thinking about me! > > Take care, Jeff -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 10:02:50 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: zx6r problems solved (long) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 17:04:59 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e32E3B909372 No spark problem: Kawasaki (and suzuki) have resistors in the ignition lock so that the bike wont' start if hotwired or if the ignition is tampered with. First told to me by Glen from GRD cycles and also told to me by rick at fastlanes. FWIW Glen likes to sell salvage parts at 50% of what they cost new. I guess he has about 30 parts bikes, call before going down there and see if the have the part and get the price. He told me he'd make me a deal if i bought a lot of parts but when I got there, he couldn't meet my internet prices at all, but i did get my ignition lock at a good and fair price. He was knowledgable and helpful though, so I woudlnt' hesitate to recommend checking him out if you need a part. He was ready to sell me a so-so lock that he cut keys to, but i insisted it worked smoothly if i were going to pay $50. So he ended up breaking down the lock and putting it back together and makign it work smoothly. One of the keys only worked inserted in one direction, so he gave me that one free. So I was especially happy when I got home and the bike had spark after I hooked it up. Also my rear brake problem was in fact in the master cyclinder. Our Mr nice guy lister leon provided me with one of his spares. It looked like the same model from one angle, so I took it home, only to find out it was slightly wider and the bolt holes wouldnt' line up with the bracket. So mcgyvered it to be secure between the top bolt, and tie strapped and hose clamped the bottom portion of the cylinder. That way it would be stable until I can find the right part. It didnt' work right away, as the fluid wouldn't go from the resevoir down into the cylinder. The old master cyclinder had the same problem (as well as having a bent plunger). So anyway with my inginuity I decided to fill the cylinder from the top where the line connected. Through bleeding once (maybe twice) and filling it up from that spot, the brakes work very well now. It will hold me until I order one off someone on the net. Atleast I know that it's not the calipers that are bad. So for future reference, remember the lock anti theft resister, and when the brakes appear to be not working, make sure there is fluid in the cylinder by pulling the brake line and peer down into it. Top it off, and see if the brakes work any better. I'm surprised how easy it was to bleed the brake. I dont' recall having to bleed it more than twice and I think I could have gotten away with just doing it once. who here knows how to rebuild a master cylinder? I'm guessing the passage way from the resevior to the plunger area in the cylinder is blocked somewhere, and the plunger is bent so that has to be replaced. I was wondering how that comes out. Maybe I will try to take mine apart and find out. it's broken anyway : ) After this whole no spark thing, I'm a lot more confident in working on my own bike and can much more easily apply my car-mechanical knowledge to bikes...atleast mine anyway : ) so all in all, I'm pretty happy. If I start having bike problems, I can check most things out myself before having to bother other people for help : ) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 10:25:24 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: luggage rack Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 17:27:47 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e32EPR909883 Anyone here have any tools for bending some tubbing? Hmm I bet if i ask at the local hardware store they could tell me exactly what I'd need and how to use it :) gotta love small stores where people know their stuff. I just have to remember to actually stop by ; ) The idea is to create a luggage rack like the one leon has on his JD 600 (you know what JD stands for right?) Anyway Leon was saying the price tag for his was $200+, and we both figure it can be made a lot cheaper at home. I remember my mother's old grocery cart was bent tubbing, flattend in some spots and drilled so bolts could go through. Creating a luggage rack that mounts in place of the passenger handles shouldn't be too hard at all. Any Ideas? I might even create a rack that doubles AS passenger handles :) I was also thinking the rack could be cut near the bottom so that a "high back" or "short back" optional second peice could be mounted on the "stems" that come from each side. Kept in place by a couple of cotter keys. Much like those cheap hand carts use. I like to check out thrift stores for tools ( I need a timing light cheap) and I found one of those aluminum frame hikers backpacks for $5 (so it needs a zipper or two of the 4 side pockets). but i was thinking if i can make some modifications to mount that to the stems, that would be awsome. Could hook up the sleeping bag and tent to it, throw some clothes in the storage part.. would make a great little handy thingamabobber for those bike travels, and still have passenger room. Who needs rubber made! : ) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 12:07:28 2000 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: , "Chuck Pena" Cc: "Brian McCoy" , Subject: RE: You're all crimnials (well, in mind).. Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:07:11 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > > If the cops come busting in my door because I might speed tomorrow, > then you best believe the media will have fresh material and hopefully > my family will be rich from the lawsuits of my death and hopefully > there will be reform in whatever agency thought it would be a good > idea to force entry and kidnap me at gunpoint. Geez people, lighten up and get a sense of humor. I'm sure the original comment was a JOKE! From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 12:13:16 2000 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: Subject: RE: AMA news - 3 new pro-moto laws in VA Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:13:01 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > Yeah - WAY COOL! > That means the extra pair of tail/brake lights I put on are now legal! > > Bill "red ass" > Well, read more closely. It says: Motorcycles may be equipped with one or more auxiliary brake lights of a type approved by the Superintendent. The Superintendent may by regulation prescribe or limit the size, number, location, and configuration of such auxiliary brake lights. So unless your lights have been approved by the superintendent, they're still not legal. Wonder when, and if, the DMV will get around to issuing regulations about this. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 12:59:37 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 12:55:57 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: rmeyer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA news - 3 new pro-moto laws in VA RMeyer wrote: > > Yeah - WAY COOL! > > That means the extra pair of tail/brake lights I put on are now legal! > > > > Bill "red ass" > > > Well, read more closely. It says: > > Motorcycles may be equipped with one or more auxiliary brake lights of a > type approved > by the Superintendent. The Superintendent may by regulation prescribe or > limit the size, > number, location, and configuration of such auxiliary brake lights. > > So unless your lights have been approved by the superintendent, they're > still not legal. Wonder when, and if, the DMV will get around to issuing > regulations about this. > > In the wind, > Bob Meyer > 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > ============================================= > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to > pick on rich women than biker gangs. I dearly hope the Superintendant takes a close look at the VA Police Harleys before rendering his/her *learned* opinion. The ones I added are almost identical in position and size to the VA cop bikes add-on lights. Of course I wouldn't put it past a stuffed shirt beauracrat to draft seventy `leven pages of regulations on a subject he/she has virtually no knowledge or experiance with. Another 47 laws that won't be enforced unless the cop is in a pissy mood. I sweatith not. Bill working on super-nova headlamps.... :-> From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 14:09:03 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 14:09:07 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles Subject: '99 Yamaha YZR R6 FOR SALE 1999 YAMAHA YZF R6 FOR SALE __________ NOTE that I am posting this for a friend. Please don't reply to me. Contact info is below. __________ Akrapovic carbon slip-on. Dynojet kit. 99hp at the rear wheel (dynoed at Fast Lanes Cycles). Currently race prepped. Totally safety wired. GT Composite race bodywork (also have stock blue factory bodywork). Custom Targa rear seat cowl. GP (reverse pattern) shifter. RaceTech front and rear springs upgrade. Steering damper. 520 conversion kit (extra 15 tooth sprocket). Goodrich braided brake lines. New EBC HH pads. Michelin Pilot Race tires (one track session). Frame sliders. Full tank cover. Best (serious) offer. Bike is located in the metropolitan Washington, DC area. Call Pete at W (202) 775-7051 or H (703) 241-2744. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 14:41:47 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Subject: Re: You're all crimnials (well, in mind).. Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:44:12 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e32Ifq913769 |>Geez people, lighten up and get a sense of humor. I'm sure the original |>comment was a JOKE! Yes it was : ) From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 20:51:30 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 20:49:55 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Ride BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Real riders ride on the street! Remember that > > wussies like Fogarty are "scared" to ride on the street. > > I think you're confusing the word "scared" with "Bored". Imagine having the ability and the NEED to ride as fast as Foggy, and only having the crap public roads, with gravel, blind corners, oncoming traffic, potholes, tar snakes, horses & buggies, horse & buggie droppings, and (dare I mention again) bicyclists to deal with. Shudder. If I were THAT good, I'd stay off public roads, too. Crap is easier to deal with if you are going slow like me. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 21:01:35 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Brake-Lights Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 20:57:27 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: "RMeyer" > Yeah - WAY COOL! > That means the extra pair of tail/brake lights I put on are now legal! > > Bill "red ass" > Well, read more closely. It says: Motorcycles may be equipped with one or more auxiliary brake lights of a type approved by the Superintendent. The Superintendent may by regulation prescribe or limit the size, number, location, and configuration of such auxiliary brake lights. So unless your lights have been approved by the superintendent, they're still not legal. Wonder when, and if, the DMV will get around to issuing regulations about this. -------------------------------------------------- By the same token, until the superintendent DOES issue approved types of auxiliary brake lights, you can use any damned type you please, as long as they fit the VA DMV/DOT expectations (find out at an inspection station near you). This is the sort of ambiguous statute used by the MD ABATE to ride lidless. The MD statute says that motorcycles must wear a helmet, worded something to the effect, "approved by the Md legislature". Since they never got around to defining the types of helmets that are approved, some of the MD ABATE said 'f-it', and just didn't wear one. I happen to use a timed modulating device on my brake lights. On-Off-On-Off and On for 3 seconds, and then it cycles. I ain't removing it until it is specifically outlawed. I know people who have 'hyper-lights' (a true auxilliary) that feel the same way. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 146,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 21:10:11 2000 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:09:58 EDT Subject: Racing Next Weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX DC-Cycles Racers minus Collin and Brian I guess: I put the racebike engine back together (took 8 months) and it started. I am probably going up to Summit for WERA. April 8/9. Who is going up and will we have a DC Cycles Pit Area? I am considering going up early (Friday afternoon) to do some set-up. What are you other racers doing? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 21:19:28 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:18:34 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Accept-Language: en,pdf To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Brake-Lights It didn't even occur to me that my hyperlites weren't legal. I've had countless positive comments from trailing riders about how visible they are (and this is riders paying attention, not mind-numbed cagers who need more help), and I won't remove them unless the penalty is outrageous. My safety is worth way more than any reasonable fine. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA '97 Bandit 1200 Todd Peer wrote: {snip} > > I happen to use a timed modulating device on my brake lights. > On-Off-On-Off and On for 3 seconds, and then it cycles. I ain't removing it > until it is specifically outlawed. I know people who have 'hyper-lights' (a > true auxilliary) that feel the same way. > > Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) > <----------------------------------------> > * '91 ST1100, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 > * SS1k, FiTe V > * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) > * 146,000 miles and counting > <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 21:34:45 2000 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:34:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: ZX6R problems solved To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Glad to hear that you got it fixed Daniel... sorry I missed the original thread... that anti theft resistor stuff is soooooo easy to bypass. could have had you at least riding in nothing flat... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 21:39:18 2000 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:39:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Luggage rack To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Daniel, Any local muffler shop will have a tube bender (they ain't cheap!)... they likely wouldn't have the type of tube stock that you would want though...I would advise against using the backpack frame if you want to keep your gear... THey are too lightweight and would eventually break from fatigue failure. I'll try to get over to the shed later this week and take some pics of the Fandango luggage frame on my maxim (very similar to the Givi's). With some 1" x 1/2" oval tubing, it would be pretty easy to fabricate something that works.. and with some other southern engineering you could make a fairly nice unit... CT ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 23:47:01 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 06:49:28 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e333lC922346 where is your sense of adventure? Wouldn't you get board going around in circles constantly dragging your knee at every turn? wouldn't it be monotonous? Of course I guess he could afford to go to every track in the USA and get in free for publicity as well as afford to travel there no problem. I wonder how he drives a cage on the streets heh heh. Me personally, in a cage i'm pretty tame. Just can't compare to the zx6r performance so why bother. I drive like I wrote the laws. heh heh Daniel On Sun, 02 Apr 2000 20:49:55 -0400, you wrote: |>BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: |>> |>> > Real riders ride on the street! Remember that |>> > wussies like Fogarty are "scared" to ride on the street. |>> |>> I think you're confusing the word "scared" with "Bored". |> |>Imagine having the ability and the NEED to ride as fast as Foggy, |>and only having the crap public roads, with gravel, blind corners, |>oncoming traffic, potholes, tar snakes, horses & buggies, horse & |>buggie droppings, and (dare I mention again) bicyclists to deal |>with. |> |>Shudder. |> |>If I were THAT good, I'd stay off public roads, too. Crap is |>easier to deal with if you are going slow like me. |> |>Horkster From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 23:50:14 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Larry Meyer Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Brake-Lights Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 06:52:41 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e333oE922453 alright where's a good place to get some type of modulator or something. those setups sound pretty good and I like the idea of them not being a constant light, attracting more attention so i'm not rear ended. The cheaper the better.. i'm still outgrowing this cheapstate phase my mother raised me into. (Riding motorcylces helps heh heh) Daniel On Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:18:34 -0400, you wrote: |>It didn't even occur to me that my hyperlites weren't legal. I've had countless |>positive comments from trailing riders about how visible they are (and this is |>riders paying attention, not mind-numbed cagers who need more help), and I won't |>remove them unless the penalty is outrageous. My safety is worth way more than |>any reasonable fine. |> |>Larry Meyer |>Annandale, VA |>'97 Bandit 1200 |> |>Todd Peer wrote: |> |>{snip} |> |>> |>> I happen to use a timed modulating device on my brake lights. |>> On-Off-On-Off and On for 3 seconds, and then it cycles. I ain't removing it |>> until it is specifically outlawed. I know people who have 'hyper-lights' (a |>> true auxilliary) that feel the same way. |>> |>> Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) |>> <----------------------------------------> |>> * '91 ST1100, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 |>> * SS1k, FiTe V |>> * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) |>> * 146,000 miles and counting |>> <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 23:50:30 2000 From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 23:50:17 EDT Subject: Re: luggage rack To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/2/00 10:26:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: << Anyone here have any tools for bending some tubbing? Hmm I bet if i ask at the local hardware store they could tell me exactly what I'd need and how to use it :) gotta love small stores where people know their stuff. I just have to remember to actually stop by ; ) >> You can get some plummers pipe bending springs @ home depot for $7.50 or so, and while you are there you can get some 22mm copper tubing and elbows and make your rack from copper instead of aluminum from a back pack. It will last longer and be a lot stronger. ( I am a poet and din''t know it). Good luck! RMC From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 23:54:12 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ZX6R problems solved Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 06:56:28 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e333sE922491 I by passed the whole lock... it would crank and light up.. just no spark.. maybe if i left a wire off of the circuit... email me and let me know..i'm always up for furthering my education.. that info might come in handy if a lock ever fails on me again. Daniel On Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:34:33 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>Glad to hear that you got it fixed Daniel... sorry I missed the |>original thread... that anti theft resistor stuff is soooooo easy to |>bypass. could have had you at least riding in nothing flat... |>Collin |> |>===== |>Collin T. Fagan |>DC-Cycles Racing |>http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ |>Proudly sponsored by: |>Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) |>Dixie Cycles |>Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes |> |>__________________________________________________ |>Do You Yahoo!? |>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. |>http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 23:55:11 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 23:55:03 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Carl Fogarty is from England (sorry Pete) To: DC Cycles Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX X-Accept-Language: en,pdf After making sure that everyone knew that I knew that Carl Fogarty was from Scotland, I came home, did some research (imagine!), and found that he is, of course, from Blackburn, Lancashire (England). Sorry Mr. Friedman and whoever else. You are correct, sir. Anyway, Brian's Race Watch party was well attended and another very good time. Thanks, once again, to Brian Roach for his awesome hospitality. Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 07:49:33 2000 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:49:14 -0400 Subject: RE: m/c crunch on Columbia Pike (VA) Content-Disposition: inline Bill wrote... > >Stay awake, stay alert y`all. Yep. Get awake first. I hit a car on Thursday. I feel like such a dumb ass. About 3 blocks from my house. I guess one of the many morals of the story is that it's OK to watch only the car in front of you, unless that car SMASHES INTO SOMETHING. Some dork slammed on his brakes for no apparent reason, the guy behind him slammed on his brakes, the lady behind him (in the car I was watching) didn't stop fast enough, and neither did I. The aforementioned dork was charged with driving without a license and something like "stopping on a highway, causing an accident." The bike is still ridable; only lost the front fender and left front turn signal. I think I need to go practice my panic braking. > >Bill >on four wheels seeing as my Hawg puked the oil pump. And the new old Norton ain't running yet, eh Bill? ;) Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '65 Norton Atlas cafe racer [soon to be Triton] project http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 07:52:00 2000 From: "Brad Faas" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Racing this weekend Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:50:24 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Fred, Myself, Brian Roach, Randy Moran, and my friend Leonard (he rode with us -- he's got the ST1100, and will be racing an SV650) will all be up at Summit this Friday evening. I should be there around 7pm; Brian and Randy will show up around 8pm. So come on out Friday -- you should be able to find me in the usual Dc-Cycles area (by the bathrooms and pit out). Brad From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 08:27:54 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:27:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: luggage rack Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative Ventura, a company out of New Zealand, makes what you're describing. I had one of their racks on my old bike. I don't remember their url but they do have a web site and I could find it if you're interested. Sport Touring Accessories carries their racks and bags (I've got 2 of their bags as well). Buying a rack from them will cost less than buying tube bending equipment... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 09:05:58 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: Racing this weekend Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:05:41 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I will not be able to race this weekend but I will be there with my SV to get new rubber and work on the "little" things left to get done. I hope to spend a lot of time in the DC Cycles and other pits talking and learning. I will probably work corners on Sunday. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 ----- Original Message ----- From: Brad Faas To: Cc: Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 7:50 AM Subject: Re: Racing this weekend > Fred, > > Myself, Brian Roach, Randy Moran, and my friend Leonard (he rode with us -- > he's got the ST1100, and will be racing an SV650) will all be up at Summit > this Friday evening. I should be there around 7pm; Brian and Randy will show > up around 8pm. So come on out Friday -- you should be able to find me in the > usual Dc-Cycles area (by the bathrooms and pit out). > > Brad > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 09:41:19 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 09:37:32 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: luggage rack The absolute best aftermarket luggage rack I owned was made by Rack Factory, probably no longer around. It was made from T-6 aluminum, light and strong as hell. It wasn't cheap but after busting two chrome tube racks I went for the RF deal. Bill Kirk Roy wrote: > Ventura, a company out of New Zealand, makes what you're describing. I had > one of their racks on my old bike. I don't remember their url but they do > have a web site and I could find it if you're interested. Sport Touring > Accessories carries their racks and bags (I've got 2 of their bags as > well). Buying a rack from them will cost less than buying tube bending > equipment... > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 09:50:16 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:50:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: luggage rack (fwd) Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative Bill Huson wrote: > The absolute best aftermarket luggage rack I owned was made by Rack > Factory, probably no longer around. Sounds nice. However, the market Daniel is wanting to buy in (luggage racks for sportbikes) is very limited. Check out the attached for ventura's url from a new lister. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:41:36 -0400 From: Dennis Woods To: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: luggage rack Hi all. www.ventura-bike.com I just joined the list and will introduce myself soon. Dennis From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 10:17:49 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: CAUTION: GP Results..Do not open if you are plannig to watch SA G P 500 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:57:58 -0400 Thanks again Bryan! These events get bigger every week. Here are the point standing we were wondering about: 1. Garry McCOY 41 2. Carlos CHECA 40 3. Kenny ROBERTS JR. 35 From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 10:24:26 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:24:10 EDT Subject: Re: Racing Next Weekend To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX We're hoping to get our usual pit spot perpendicular to the front stretch across from the tech shed. Between Randy and I we'll have about 40' of canopy... should be hard to miss... look for the big black truck and trailer as well. The gates open at 7pm, and we're shooting for a 7 - 8pm arrival. - Bri In a message dated 4/2/00 9:11:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Boiade@XXXXXX writes: > I put the racebike engine back together (took 8 months) and it started. I > am probably going up to Summit for WERA. April 8/9. Who is going up and > will > we have a DC Cycles Pit Area? I am considering going up early (Friday > afternoon) to do some set-up. What are you other racers doing? From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 10:30:49 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:29:58 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Ballston (Arlington) cycle parking? Looks like my job is definitely moving to Ballston (Arlington) this week. We'll be in the office building behind the Holiday Inn. Anybody park motorcycles there? Any good ideas for mc-friendly parking nearby? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 10:32:54 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:32:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: New vs Used To: Todd Peer , DC-Cycles --- Todd Peer wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > I tell you what....I may not be the poster-child > > for who to buy a bike from, but my RR is running > > like a champion right now. It would be a STEAL at > > $7k when I unload it for the Kawi. > > ---->> you are rebutting your own argument. On the > one hand you say > performance degradation occurs based on perceived > high mileage (over 20,000 > miles). But here you are saying your RR is running > like a champ, and we all > know you don't baby that thing through corners. How do you figure I'm rebutting my own argument? I'll be selling it for UNDER BLUE BOOK because of the mileage (30-35k when I sell it). It's a steal because of hte upgrades. I'd keep it if the value would remain stable even with the mileage, but we all know that it doesn't. Why do you think that is?....because higher mileage means less performance, increased maintenance costs, and lower visual appeal....especially with a black bike like mine which shows off every scratch in the plastic. > ---->> fwiw, I have an interest in convincing > pre-owned shoppers that > high-mileage is not necessarily an indication of an > abused bike. I too will > be selling this year my CB750 with exactly 40,053 > miles on it (as of today). > The bike runs like a top. I'll agree with Todd here, simply because I've ridden the CB and seen it ridden....but I would NOT buy a high mileage bike myself because it would have 20-25k more miles on it in a year....F that -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 10:38:42 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:38:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/00 To: Marcy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Marcy wrote: > ROTFL > however, as one of those spandex wearing cyclists > ... I just have to say > that we wear them because they have padding in the > crotch :D which BELIEVE > ME makes a big difference when out riding for a few > hours ... Clarification: any girl with a decent arse can wear whatever she wants.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 10:42:43 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:41:12 EDT Subject: Re: New vs Used (re: high miles) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just my $.02 Unless I know the person, and know the bike, I'm not going to buy a high milage bike. Every motor has a finite number of miles in it, and if I can find one that's used up less of those, I'm going to go for it. Unless like I said, I know how the bike has been ridden and how it's been cared for, there's a much higer chance that it's in worse shape than a motor with significantly less miles. Not an absolute, mind you, but the odds are in the low milage bike's favor. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 10:53:04 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:52:37 EDT Subject: Racing tapes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: SKeener2@XXXXXX I know a couple people have asked for tapes of the races on speedvision... I'm going to dump them from the Tivo hard disk to my VCR this week, prob using the 6-hour setting on the VCR to get all the races to date on one tape (including the 125gp being aired today or tomorrow)... any objections? - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 11:11:27 2000 From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:11:16 -0400 I don't mean to brag but I have a '90 VFR that has over 67,000 miles with no repairs (other than a regulator rectifier) plus scheduled valve maintenance. And it still drives like a dream... Seth '98 TLR '90 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 11:31:57 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 11:35:37 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles Subject: Looking for Chris Weaver (Manassas) Chris, If you read this, please drop me an email off-list at cvkgpena@XXXXXX. Thanx! Chuck Pena '93 GSXR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 11:52:31 2000 From: dmeyer@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:52:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Brake-Lights Reply-To: dmeyer0@XXXXXX In article <38eb3f67.264241874@XXXXXX> you write: > alright where's a good place to get some type of modulator or > something. those setups sound pretty good and I like the idea of them > not being a constant light, attracting more attention so i'm not rear > ended. The cheaper the better.. i'm still outgrowing this cheapstate > phase my mother raised me into. (Riding motorcylces helps heh heh) For Hyper-Lites, try http://www.sporttouringusa.com. Last I looked, they were about $50. -- David M. Meyer dmeyer0@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 13:04:25 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:04:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) To: "Haring, Seth" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Haring, Seth" wrote: > > I don't mean to brag but I have a '90 VFR that has > over 67,000 miles with no > repairs (other than a regulator rectifier) plus > scheduled valve maintenance. You're neglecting plenty of other scheduled inspection/maintenance intervals if that's all you've done. Also, what do you suppose somebody would pay for it? Certainly not anywhere near what a low mileage bike would bring in.... and why is that? Because that bike has a life expectancy of [X] miles which it is quickly approaching. > And it still drives like a dream... I'm sure it does....but go dyno it and compare those results with those of an identical bike with 15k miles on it. We're not arguing over whether bikes can last a long time....that's a given. It's the claim of decreased performance over a bike's lifespan that has some peoples' panties in a bunch. Kinda funny that these same people are the one's with high-mileage bikes who are currently attempting to sell them. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 13:07:29 2000 From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:07:17 -0400 I agree but this is more of a response to the statement that a bike goes downhill after 20K miles. I just wanted to tell all the nonbelievers that a well maintained high-RPM sportbike can have a long and healthy life. > ---------- > From: Tom Gimer[SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:04 PM > To: Haring, Seth; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) > > --- "Haring, Seth" wrote: > > > > I don't mean to brag but I have a '90 VFR that has > > over 67,000 miles with no > > repairs (other than a regulator rectifier) plus > > scheduled valve maintenance. > > You're neglecting plenty of other scheduled > inspection/maintenance intervals if that's all you've > done. > > Also, what do you suppose somebody would pay for it? > Certainly not anywhere near what a low mileage bike > would bring in.... and why is that? Because that bike > has a life expectancy of [X] miles which it is quickly > approaching. > > > > And it still drives like a dream... > > I'm sure it does....but go dyno it and compare those > results with those of an identical bike with 15k miles > on it. > > We're not arguing over whether bikes can last a long > time....that's a given. It's the claim of decreased > performance over a bike's lifespan that has some > peoples' panties in a bunch. Kinda funny that these > same people are the one's with high-mileage bikes who > are currently attempting to sell them. > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 13:29:27 2000 From: "Crouse, Roger" To: "'Haring, Seth'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:28:21 -0400 I rode a neighbors Ninja 250 saturday. It has more than 85,000 miles on it. Ran great. Enjoyed every minute of it. I'll never buy a new bike. I'd rather spend the 2 or 3 grand, that I'd lose(depreciation) when exiting the dealership, on accessories, an aerostich, gas, and another small sportbike to play on. Just my $.02, Roger -----Original Message----- From: Haring, Seth [mailto:Seth.Haring@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:07 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) I agree but this is more of a response to the statement that a bike goes downhill after 20K miles. I just wanted to tell all the nonbelievers that a well maintained high-RPM sportbike can have a long and healthy life. > ---------- > From: Tom Gimer[SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:04 PM > To: Haring, Seth; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) > > --- "Haring, Seth" wrote: > > > > I don't mean to brag but I have a '90 VFR that has > > over 67,000 miles with no > > repairs (other than a regulator rectifier) plus > > scheduled valve maintenance. > > You're neglecting plenty of other scheduled > inspection/maintenance intervals if that's all you've > done. > > Also, what do you suppose somebody would pay for it? > Certainly not anywhere near what a low mileage bike > would bring in.... and why is that? Because that bike > has a life expectancy of [X] miles which it is quickly > approaching. > > > > And it still drives like a dream... > > I'm sure it does....but go dyno it and compare those > results with those of an identical bike with 15k miles > on it. > > We're not arguing over whether bikes can last a long > time....that's a given. It's the claim of decreased > performance over a bike's lifespan that has some > peoples' panties in a bunch. Kinda funny that these > same people are the one's with high-mileage bikes who > are currently attempting to sell them. > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 13:32:50 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:32:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) At 01:04 PM 4/3/00 , Tom Gimer wrote: >We're not arguing over whether bikes can last a long >time....that's a given. It's the claim of decreased >performance over a bike's lifespan that has some >peoples' panties in a bunch. Kinda funny that these >same people are the one's with high-mileage bikes who >are currently attempting to sell them. Seth wasn't arguing at all. You all get a topic in your head and think everyone else is on one side or the other of an issue. Most people wouldn't buy a bike with 10k more miles on it than the identical bike for the same price. Why assume all low mileage bikes were driven by squids who never maintained them? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 14:12:14 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:12:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: re: New vs. Used To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > Can't believe you're even pondering getting rid of > that nice RR for a Cowasucky!! '00 Kawa 9R in purple/black is currently leading the list of potential candidates. I've owned 3 Kawasakis and have never had a mechanical problem with any one of them....quality, in my experience, has been comparable to Honda. And the motor on the latest 9R is supposedly incredible. We'll see. > lol...thought you had seen the light > after selling that nice ZX11 you had... hehehe > Having ridden with you lots, I could see you on a > 2000 GSXR before any > of the cows!! The GSXR is actually on my list (along with the 929)....you gotta love a 750 that has more power than the prior generation of liter bikes and handles like that one does. What is the list price of that machine anyway? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 14:24:48 2000 X-Originating-IP: [151.200.15.206] From: "No Body" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Thoughs on Yamaha YZF600R Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 14:24:39 EDT Hi gang, After looking somemore for a used bike, I think I have found the bike for me. A 98 YZF600R which low mileage. Does anyone have any thoughs on this machine? I am a fairly new sport bike rider. Your thoughts would be appreciated. I cant wait to get on a bike and ride with everyone here. Regards ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 14:50:52 2000 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: Thoughs on Yamaha YZF600R Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:50:26 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Though I haven't ridden a 98, YZF600's are nice bikes. The magazines admit that they aren't as sharp handlers as the GSXRs, but they have a strong motor and are comfortable. It was the only bike I seriously considered buying besides my CBR. I think you'll do well with it. Cedric 96 CBR600F3 -----Original Message----- From: No Body [mailto:kewlgt@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 2:25 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Thoughs on Yamaha YZF600R Hi gang, After looking somemore for a used bike, I think I have found the bike for me. A 98 YZF600R which low mileage. Does anyone have any thoughs on this machine? I am a fairly new sport bike rider. Your thoughts would be appreciated. I cant wait to get on a bike and ride with everyone here. Regards ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 14:50:56 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:50:33 EDT Subject: Re: Thoughs on Yamaha YZF600R To: kewlgt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/3/00 2:28:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kewlgt@XXXXXX writes: > After looking somemore for a used bike, I think I have found the bike for > me. A 98 YZF600R which low mileage. Does anyone have any thoughs on this > machine? I am a fairly new sport bike rider. Your thoughts would be > appreciated. I cant wait to get on a bike and ride with everyone here. Until mine got stolen in early '99... I loved it :) Very comfortable bike, good ergos (you're not in a committed race position), and enough hp to get you in trouble should you want it. It's no power-wheeling R6 mind you, but has plenty of get up and go. And... it's a Yamaha, for which I seem to have an affinity. It was my first modern sportbike (I rode an '86 Interceptor for a while, but it was too big and heavy for a scrawny guy like me) after riding for about 10 years, and I found it very easy to ride. I really liked the YZF, and had I replaced it with another 600cc bike, I would have bought another one. I got the Ducati bug when shopping for a replacement bike, and well... the 900ss is a great bike too :) (Not for a beginner, mind you... lofting the front as you exit a corner is a LOT of torque talking to you....) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 15:20:05 2000 From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:19:53 EDT Subject: Re: Thoughs on Yamaha YZF600R To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Great bike! Motorcycle online has a write up on it. I race one and I think it's fantastic. I've always liked the the yzf because it combines the best of sport and comfort. It has the best brakes in the industry (same as r-6 I think) and an engine that's easy to keep in the revs. It offers a comfortable seat and some of the best protection from wind in the 600 class. Combine all this with that awsome Yamaha Blue and White and you can't go wrong! (Unless you're talking about a pre 97 model). Take care, Jeff p.s. Look for my Blue/white/black/summit point brown yzf this weekend:) Jeff Ozmen Back to Novice status at my request!! # 86 From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 15:20:30 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 15:19:54 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: Subject: Your opinion - Kawa 7R / 9R Content-Disposition: inline X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e33JKU909922 I'm looking into purchasing the kawa 9R or 7R for 2000. I can't find the 7R everyone says that they'll be in within a few weeks but, I have seen the 9R Do you have anything that you add outside of the books? From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 15:32:25 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 15:31:16 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: DC Cycles Subject: Who wanted free helmets? I remember a post a while ago looking for extra helmets for the MSF. I've got at least four 3/4 face helmets around here (SM-XL, all some shade of red) that are all in pretty decent shape and aren't seeing much use anymore. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 15:45:35 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:45:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Spotting abused low mileage bikes? To: No Body , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- No Body wrote: > In a previous message chain "New vs Used" there was > some mention about how easy it is to spot low mileage > bikes that might have been abused. How exactly does > one do this, if one does not necessarly hold a > membership to the grease monkey club? Don't forget about neglect in your search. First and foremost re abuse: don't buy a used sportbike from anybody under the age of 20, unless the bike has close to 0 miles on it (basis for this: stereotype....but it's a good rule to adhere to, IMO). > Are there some > tell tail signs of bikes that have not been broken in > properly or abused. Tires, brakes what does one look > for? Ask the potential seller what maintenance has been performed on the bike and view the paperwork (if any)....every bike should get that important break-in service after the first 600-1000 miles (whatever the manufacturer calls for). This is the most important service a bike can get, and if it didn't receive it, the owner didn't care for the bike (and/or didn't know that he had to). As far as tires and brakes are concerned, low mileage bikes will have very little wear in either department. What sucks about this is that many sportbikes don't come with proper rubber and you'll end up having to replace it anyway (if you care about it). The most noticeable signs of abuse/neglect are: 1. an owner's lack of knowledge about what maintenance the bike has had, what kind of oil has been used, etc. 2. visual inspection shows a lack of due care for the exterior--could translate to a lack of care for the engine 3. low mileage bikes should not have trouble starting (could be a carb problem (neglect) which is costly to clean up) 4. always look for signs that a bike has been down (scratched casings, mirrors, fairings, etc. This shit gets really expensive to replace OEM) 5. trust your initial feelings with respect to the owner, don't let his assurances sway you into making that big purchase Disclaimer: I'm a pro at neither maintenance nor care. These are simply ground rules that I would follow and will follow the next time around. Hey, can you tell I'm bored as hell today? Come on, Todd, question my logic here! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 15:45:53 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:45:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Spotting abused low mileage bikes? To: No Body , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- No Body wrote: > In a previous message chain "New vs Used" there was > some mention about how easy it is to spot low mileage > bikes that might have been abused. How exactly does > one do this, if one does not necessarly hold a > membership to the grease monkey club? Don't forget about neglect in your search. First and foremost re abuse: don't buy a used sportbike from anybody under the age of 20, unless the bike has close to 0 miles on it (basis for this: stereotype....but it's a good rule to adhere to, IMO). > Are there some > tell tail signs of bikes that have not been broken in > properly or abused. Tires, brakes what does one look > for? Ask the potential seller what maintenance has been performed on the bike and view the paperwork (if any)....every bike should get that important break-in service after the first 600-1000 miles (whatever the manufacturer calls for). This is the most important service a bike can get, and if it didn't receive it, the owner didn't care for the bike (and/or didn't know that he had to). As far as tires and brakes are concerned, low mileage bikes will have very little wear in either department. What sucks about this is that many sportbikes don't come with proper rubber and you'll end up having to replace it anyway (if you care about it). The most noticeable signs of abuse/neglect are: 1. an owner's lack of knowledge about what maintenance the bike has had, what kind of oil has been used, etc. 2. visual inspection shows a lack of due care for the exterior--could translate to a lack of care for the engine 3. low mileage bikes should not have trouble starting (could be a carb problem (neglect) which is costly to clean up) 4. always look for signs that a bike has been down (scratched casings, mirrors, fairings, etc. This shit gets really expensive to replace OEM) 5. trust your initial feelings with respect to the owner, don't let his assurances sway you into making that big purchase Disclaimer: I'm a pro at neither maintenance nor care. These are simply ground rules that I would follow and will follow the next time around. Hey, can you tell I'm bored as hell today? Come on, Todd, question my logic here! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 15:51:09 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 15:51:45 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Accept-Language: en To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: [Fwd: [Suzuki-bikes] '00 GSX-R750 MSRP] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9470196732EAC06A47105C59 Tom Gimer, See below...... Steven C. Di Pietro Suzuki Owners Club http://www.soc-usa.org --------------9470196732EAC06A47105C59 Content-Disposition: inline X-POP3-Rcpt: stevied@gigue From: "Jeremy T Johnson" To: "Suzuki-bikes List" Subject: RE: [Suzuki-bikes] '00 GSX-R750 MSRP Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:44:41 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: suzuki-bikes-admin@XXXXXX Errors-To: suzuki-bikes-admin@XXXXXX X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Owners of Suzuki brand motorcycles X-BeenThere: suzuki-bikes@XXXXXX X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 $9399 http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/supersport/fs_gsx750.htm Jeremy T Johnson Soon to have '00 GSXR-750...! http://home.earthlink.net/~jjohnson25/ -----Original Message----- From: suzuki-bikes-admin@XXXXXX [mailto:suzuki-bikes-admin@XXXXXX]On Behalf Of Steven C. Di Pietro Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:37 PM To: SuzukiBikes-L Subject: [Suzuki-bikes] '00 GSX-R750 MSRP Gang, What's the Manufacturer's suggested retail price for the '00 GSX-R750? Steven C. Di Pietro Maryland Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club http://www.soc-usa.org _______________________________________________ Suzuki-bikes maillist - Suzuki-bikes@XXXXXX http://lomond.pro-libertate.com/mailman/listinfo/suzuki-bikes http://fatman.pro-libertate.com/suzuki/owners.html _______________________________________________ Suzuki-bikes maillist - Suzuki-bikes@XXXXXX http://lomond.pro-libertate.com/mailman/listinfo/suzuki-bikes http://fatman.pro-libertate.com/suzuki/owners.html --------------9470196732EAC06A47105C59-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 15:52:39 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:51:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: FYI: VA Lane Splitting Statute To: "Jay St. Peter" , horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > BTW - you've gotta wear the "spandex" shorts to keep > from getting chaffed. > I never liked the gay biker shirts though. ^^^^^^^^ Uh oh.....the PC police should soon be out in full force for this comment. I believe the proper reference is "Sphincter-challenged." -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 16:38:22 2000 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "Tom Gimer" , Cc: Subject: RE: FYI: VA Lane Splitting Statute Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:33:35 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I meant "gay" in the 1940s sense, not the non-PC version ... yeah thats it -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 12:52 PM To: Jay St. Peter; horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FYI: VA Lane Splitting Statute --- "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > BTW - you've gotta wear the "spandex" shorts to keep > from getting chaffed. > I never liked the gay biker shirts though. ^^^^^^^^ Uh oh.....the PC police should soon be out in full force for this comment. I believe the proper reference is "Sphincter-challenged." -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 18:05:24 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: m/c crunch on Columbia Pike (VA) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 01:07:53 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e33M63912564 On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:49:14 -0400, you wrote: |>Yep. Get awake first. I hit a car on Thursday. I feel like such a dumb |>ass. About 3 blocks from my house. I guess one of the many morals of the Glad you are okay! I know a guy.. same thing happened.. but he went over the bars after bruising his jewels on the gas tank, hit the back window of a maxima and broke it. He was okay though, and the bike was for the most part. Anyone have a water bottle and fan for an 88 zx10 ? I really hate to see bikes soo close to cars that they dont' have room to stop. Some bikers like to make sure there is no room for a car to get over in front of them.. WHY? so you can end up like that? If someone wants to get over, let them. It's not worth the risk. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 18:12:53 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Robert Beatty" Cc: Subject: Re: Your opinion - Kawa 7R / 9R Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 01:15:27 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e33MCs912645 On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 15:19:54 -0400, you wrote: |>I'm looking into purchasing the kawa 9R or 7R for 2000. I can't find the 7R everyone says that they'll be in within a few weeks but, I have seen the 9R |> |>Do you have anything that you add outside of the books? The 7R is heavy. Get the 9R. Or wait till 2001 when the 2001 7R will be a monster to contend with the srad 750. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 18:18:07 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Haring, Seth" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New vs Used (re: high miles) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 01:20:40 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e33MI7912743 I know a guy with a 98 zx7R with 40 thousand miles. It runs like it's new. Of course he is religious with maintenance. He recently put a pack of r1's zx9 and srad 750's to shame on it. heh heh. Most of his miles he cruises along at 80 though.. but when he wants.. he gets horizontal through a curve : ) On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:11:16 -0400 , you wrote: |> |> |>I don't mean to brag but I have a '90 VFR that has over 67,000 miles with no |>repairs (other than a regulator rectifier) plus scheduled valve maintenance. |> |>And it still drives like a dream... |> |>Seth |>'98 TLR |>'90 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 19:41:51 2000 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:40:55 EDT Subject: Re: Your opinion - Kawa 7R / 9R To: Rbeatty@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/3/00 3:35:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Rbeatty@XXXXXX writes: << I'm looking into purchasing the kawa 9R or 7R for 2000. >> Wouldn't recommend the 7R. It is very old design wise and weighs quite a bit more than the 9R. Not a very good package these days. It also has quite a bit less HP than a 9R. If you want a 750 go for the 2000 GSXR and that is coming from a Kawasaki guy (98-ZX-9R). Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 21:05:32 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Racing Next weekend Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:01:15 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I will be there either Saturday/sunday working some corner. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:09:58 EDT Subject: Racing Next Weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX DC-Cycles Racers minus Collin and Brian I guess: I put the racebike engine back together (took 8 months) and it started. I am probably going up to Summit for WERA. April 8/9. Who is going up and will we have a DC Cycles Pit Area? I am considering going up early (Friday afternoon) to do some set-up. What are you other racers doing? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 21:08:29 2000 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:07:58 EDT Subject: Re: Thoughs on Yamaha YZF600R To: MOTO748@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/3/2000 3:30:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MOTO748@XXXXXX writes: << It offers a comfortable seat and some of the best protection from wind in the 600 class. Combine all this with that awsome Yamaha Blue and White and you can't go wrong! (Unless you're talking about a pre 97 model). Take care, Jeff >> No no no no NO.......the Red/White/Black scheme of the R6 is waaaaaayyyyyyy nicer. ;-) Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 21:17:34 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:17:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: saturday ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Daniel wrote: "where is your sense of adventure? Wouldn't you get board going around in circles constantly dragging your knee at every turn? wouldn't it be monotonous?" Obviously coming from someone who has never been on a track in the heat of competition.!! ;-) SEriously though, if you are an adrenaleine (sp?) junky, which you sound like, once you've been out on the track, street riding will just never be the same...Since I've started racing, I keep buying smaller and smaller street bikes with less power... keeps the street riding interesting... I honestly think riding on the street now with a 600 sportbike or bigger would thoroughly bore me....To get even a partial thrill out of what the bike is capable of, I'd be going waaaaaaaaaay faster than is reasonable, prudent, and even remotley safe for the street.....I am pushing it with the bandit 400... The old maxim 650 was actually pretty enjoyable.. I really had to work hard to keep that ancient worn out beast going at a fun pace... "I wonder how he drives a cage on the streets heh heh. Me personally, in a cage i'm pretty tame. Just can't compare to the zx6r performance so why bother. I drive like I wrote the laws. heh heh" hehehe.... me too for the most part... After the track though, I am that way on the bike too... After your first full day/weekend out on the track, the next time you get out on the street, it's amazing how you notice all sorts of things like guard rails, tree rows, cars, dogs, gravel, etc etc etc....very humbling.... Don't take my word though.. come back and tell us how things seem after you take that track day coming up.... that's a good preview... multiply it by a factor of about 20 and you start getting into what racing is like... Collin (note Danny is selling his street bikes to fund his habit (aka racing) hehe...Someone told me racing is more addictive than crack... and they were right.. and from what I am paying, I'd guess it's almost as expensive!!) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 21:42:12 2000 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:37:56 EDT Subject: Re: Racing Next weekend To: toddbpeer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/3/00 9:09:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, toddbpeer@XXXXXX writes: << I will be there either Saturday/sunday working some corner. >> Hopefully you will see me finishing a F-500 race rather than removing pieces of piston from my exhaust. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 21:44:47 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: New vs. Used... Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:40:33 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 The Gimlet wrote: Hey, can you tell I'm bored as hell today? Come on, Todd, question my logic here! -- tg ----->> No! ---->> But I will add a few more tidbits. Aside from the suggestions that exterior condition may have something to say about the mechanical condition of your next pre-owned motorcycle (it does, I agree), there are some simple checks anyone can perform. - Familiarize yourself with spark-plug wear indicators (go to Trak Auto and look at the display). Pull a plug and compare it. You are looking for a light tan colored powder like coat on the plug. If it's a crusted black, you may be spending a little on a carb-tune. If it's a greasy-black...run, could be bad valves, poorly seated or loose piston rings. something you don't necessarily want to deal with. If the plugs are brand-spanking new, beware of something bad being hidden. Find out why they were just NOW replaced. - Ask the owner if you can see the air filter. If you get a "d'uh" or a "what air filter?", it will need to be replaced and is a good indication of the maintenance level. On some bikes, getting to the air-cleaner is a little difficult. But not TOO difficult. Most are easy to get to. - If the bike is chain driven, look at the rear sprocket. Do the teeth seem uniform and sharp on the disc side of the sprocket? Good. Chipped and worn (compare the driven side to the other side) means hard driven. And you WILL need to replace it, the drive sprocket and chain. - Check the chain wear. Kind of hard to do, but a visible inspection (is it dried out? caked with greasy filth?) tells alot about how the bike has been maintained. There are usually wear indicators at the rear axle bolt. How close to the "Replace chain" indicator are the arrows? Push the chain upward at the bottom run. More than 2" of play? Poor maintenance. - Shaft driven, usually no problems to speak of but you will want to replace the gear oil asap. Cheap at about $2 a bottle. - Bounce up and down on the front forks. Any leaks at the telescoping area? Fork seals are bad. - For disc brakes, use a flashlight and check wear. there is a notch cut into the pads (wear indicator). If that notch is less than 1/32 of an inch, replace. - Look at brake and clutch (hydraulic) fluid resevoirs. Black or extraordinarily dirty? Poor maintenance and possibly other problems hard to detect. - You'd expect someone to change the oil, but if they don't it'd be hard to tell if things are bad by color or odor of used oil w/o a decent lab analysis. - For about $5 you can buy a baby battery tester. They are designed to indicate the potential a battery will charge. All four little balls float, good/excellent battery. One or two floats, you will be buying a new Battery soon. - Flashlight in the gas tank looking for rust. Rust is bad. - All lights and horn in working condition. That's all I can think of now. Tom mentioned seeing any written records an owner might have. It has been my experience that anyone anal enough (me) to keep written records of a bikes maintenance history, really did maintain the bike. I mean, why else would you do it? Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 146,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 21:48:59 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:47:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: your opinion To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I would stay away from the 7R and go with the 9R if that is your final too choices...Granted any modern sport bike would be more than capable on the street, but if you want to consider potential resale, I'd go with the 9. For some reason Kawi (and all but suzuki) have seemed to abandon the 750 market, thus it is a low demand bike and hasn't really been updated like the other models...From what I hear, the 9R is a beast...(personal opinion is that the Kawis have absolutely Ugly rear bodywork/styling, but the front is ok).... Suzuki 750 is the beast of 750s.... new model is supposedly independently tested at 128 RWHP and lighter than all the 600 CC bikes...great handling, flawless trannies... but not a comfortable streeter.. CBR F4... well.. other than that there are a billion of em, they are great bikes... very comfortable, typically great honda fit & finish, strong motor. R6...similar to GSXR, but a yamahopper :) YZF600... Excellent choice as well...all the strong points of the CBR, just don't see one on every other corner... VFR750/800.. probably one of the best bikes ever made, but (excluding new year model) my god... ANYTHING BUT RED!!!!! hehehe I can't stand being a sheep, so I'd have to paint it something other than honda red...Canary yellow looked great on Rich's (can't rememeber last name..started with W I believe) previous generation viffer,a nd I believe that is finally an option on the new ones... SV650... probably the best bike for the buck right now from all I've heard seen... I am sure I am forgetting several very good choices out there.... The bottom line is get whichever one looks (and feels...very important) the best to you ;-) because anything from the original Honda hurricanes and 85 GSXR on are going to be more than capable for ear to ear permanent grin factors..... and unless you're spliting hairs in a BS session or out on the track, you won't notice most of the performance differences on street riding... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 22:02:33 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:02:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: m/c crunch on Columbia Pike (VA) At 09:07 PM 4/3/2000 , daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: >I really hate to see bikes soo close to cars that they dont' have room >to stop. Some bikers like to make sure there is no room for a car to >get over in front of them.. WHY? so you can end up like that? If >someone wants to get over, let them. It's not worth the risk. It is a careful balance of lane control and tailgating. Personally I prefer being too close to being cut off if I feel like that is their plan. People tend to bully in with size. I get cut off daily at two intersections where two lanes become one. What are they gaining by putting me at risk? 10 feet? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 20k miles + From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 22:37:29 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:33:45 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Mike T CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: m/c crunch on Columbia Pike (VA) Personally, I think tailgating to prevent somone from moving in front of you is asking to eat tailights. What do you gain from this risky behavior? 10 feet? Bill Mike T wrote: > It is a careful balance of lane control and tailgating. Personally I > prefer being too close to being cut off if I feel like that is their > plan. People tend to bully in with size. I get cut off daily at two > intersections where two lanes become one. What are they gaining by putting > me at risk? 10 feet? > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > 20k miles + From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 22:41:19 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:41:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: m/c crunch on Columbia Pike (VA) At 10:33 PM 4/3/2000 , Bill Huson wrote: >Personally, I think tailgating to prevent somone from moving in front of >you is >asking to eat tailights. What do you gain from this risky behavior? 10 feet? I should have qualified that. Tailgating in the sense that I am slightly closer than I would normally be to force lane control. Not so close that I lose my escape route or would fail to brake in time. The problem with these two merge areas is that every time I have let car A in, car B tried to force up as well. I don't know if people are nervous about riding behind bikes or what. It was much worse in the Winter than it has been lately. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 20k miles + From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 00:38:38 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:25:41 EDT Subject: Re: your opinion To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/3/00 10:02:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: > VFR750/800.. probably one of the best bikes ever made, but (excluding > new year model) my god... ANYTHING BUT RED!!!!! Honda offers it in the Yellow & Black paint scheme this year :) - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 08:09:37 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:09:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Troutman wrote: > At 01:04 PM 4/3/00 , Tom Gimer wrote: > >We're not arguing over whether bikes can last a > >long time....that's a given. > > > Seth wasn't arguing at all. You all get a topic in > your head and think > everyone else is on one side or the other of an > issue. I said 'we' because Seth chimed in on a different, yet related, topic than was being discussed. BTW, most everyone IS on one side or another of an issue....that's why they're called 'issues.' > Most people > wouldn't buy a bike with 10k more miles on it than > the identical bike for > the same price. Why assume all low mileage bikes > were driven by squids who > never maintained them? I said that was a major concern when looking to buy. I never said ALL low mileage bikes were....shit, dude, I buy a used, low-mileage bike every 1-2 years. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 08:11:19 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:11:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Your opinion - Kawa 7R / 9R To: Robert Beatty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX 9R rocks 7R is a dinosaur --- Robert Beatty wrote: > I'm looking into purchasing the kawa 9R or 7R for > 2000. I can't find the 7R everyone says that they'll > be in within a few weeks but, I have seen the 9R > > Do you have anything that you add outside of the > books? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 08:27:50 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: VFR for sale Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:27:45 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I am selling my '99 VFR. It has 13,500 miles, is in excellent shape. Never down with lots of extras including Micron high right aluminum oval slip-on, Givi Traffic top case and rack, "taillocker", full LP tank cover, Pro-Tour grips, custom hubcaps (2 - 1 billet aluminum, 1 powdercoated black), new (1300 miles) BT 56 SS tires, 1- 55/65 blue tint front light for visibility, complete service records and receipts, extended warrenty (4 more years), meticulously maintained. Asking $7900.00. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 09:03:14 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 08:59:28 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: new/used resale cont... For vehicles with a normal depreciation curve, most "blue books" contain a hi/lo milage *adjustment*. Average cage use is 12K/year, and I read a figure of 5K/year for an M/C, which is high in my opinion. Performance decrease in 15K miles? My my, and y`all are touting the wonderful features of a piece of mechanical crap that toasts in 15K? (UJM jap crap?) Yes, for WOT race purposes, frquent engine rehabs are the norm, but for street riding your basic UJM should bang away 80/90K before the engine begins to whimper. Anyone looking for cheap reliable two-wheel transportation can pick up a basic japscooter with five-digit milage and get one helluva deal. This is not true for Harleys. The blue book on my 8 year old scoot is MORE than it sold for new. But then I believe we were talking "reliable" transportation. Hardy - Har- Har. But then again, even at my more than 5K/year milage average, I'll probably be in a rocking chair drooling on myself before the Hawg gasps it's last breath. Bottom line - a newbie shouldn't balk at buying a dirt cheap hi-milage machine that appears to work well and be reasonably maintained. The dirt cheap feature will prevent that *Aw sheeiit* pain when you do the usual newbie tricks - failing to properly set the side stand - *splat* - overuse of front binder whilst stopping on slippery surfaces - *crunch* - and overuse of rear brake whilst in a hard turn *el slideo*. Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 09:32:09 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: vfr@XXXXXX, "D.C. Cycles" Subject: RE: VFR for sale Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:32:02 -0400 I can vouch for Danny's VFR. I've seen it and ridden it, and it's in immaculate condition. Someone will be getting a real cherry of a bike. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Thompson [SMTP:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 7:28 AM > To: vfr@XXXXXX; D.C. Cycles > Subject: VFR for sale > > I am selling my '99 VFR. It has 13,500 miles, is in excellent shape. Never > down with lots of extras including Micron high right aluminum oval > slip-on, > Givi Traffic top case and rack, "taillocker", full LP tank cover, Pro-Tour > grips, custom hubcaps (2 - 1 billet aluminum, 1 powdercoated black), new > (1300 miles) BT 56 SS tires, 1- 55/65 blue tint front light for > visibility, > complete service records and receipts, extended warrenty (4 more years), > meticulously maintained. Asking $7900.00. > > Danny > '99 VFR (for sale) > '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) > Warrenton, VA > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 09:45:54 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: peg-feelers Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:45:39 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I was looking at the mongo peg feelers on the RC51 and it made me wonder, why do they put these things on in the first place? Anybody? Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 09:55:35 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:55:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: peg-feelers To: Danny Thompson , vfr@XXXXXX, SV650@XXXXXX, "D.C. Cycles" Perhaps to give you some idea of how much lean angle you have left for "safe" street riding? --- Danny Thompson wrote: > I was looking at the mongo peg feelers on the RC51 > and it made me wonder, > why do they put these things on in the first place? > Anybody? > Danny __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 09:58:21 2000 From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'Danny Thompson'" , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: RE: peg-feelers Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:55:52 -0400 I got this from the RC-51 list: Its Honda policy that the first thing to touch down on one of their street bikes are the pegs. With the pegs set up so high the cans (or some other hard part) would have touched before the pegs. The only way to stop that was to use those REALLY LONG feelers on the pegs. Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Thompson [SMTP:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 8:46 AM > To: vfr@XXXXXX; SV650@XXXXXX; D.C. Cycles > Subject: peg-feelers > > I was looking at the mongo peg feelers on the RC51 and it made me wonder, > why do they put these things on in the first place? Anybody? > Danny > '99 VFR (for sale) > '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) > Warrenton, VA > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 09:58:56 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:58:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List cc: vfr@XXXXXX, SV650@XXXXXX Subject: Re: peg-feelers Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Danny Thompson wrote: > I was looking at the mongo peg feelers on the RC51 and it made me > wonder, why do they put these things on in the first place? Anybody? They set the feelers up so they'll touch the ground before any hard parts do (e.g., exhaust cans, cases, rear cowling :) ). It's a sort of early warning system. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 09:59:04 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: peg-feelers To: Danny Thompson , vfr@XXXXXX, SV650@XXXXXX, "D.C. Cycles" Pretty simple, to let you know that you are getting low to the ground. Its better to drag something like a peg feeeling which is mounted to a peg that moves then to drag something "hard" like a muffler, center stand (I won't mention any names of the people I've seen drag those!). Basically when you start dragging something hard your chance of going down are a lot higher. Glenn --- Danny Thompson wrote: > I was looking at the mongo peg feelers on the RC51 > and it made me wonder, > why do they put these things on in the first place? > Anybody? > Danny > '99 VFR (for sale) > '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) > Warrenton, VA > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, > 1-888-743-6825 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 10:04:47 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:04:06 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Accept-Language: en To: dc-cycles Subject: Cycle Sport track day 4/10 So, is anybody else form the list going to be there? Any of you racers going to be control riders? There are 15 spaces left. I have done 4 or 5 of there track days, they are great, I highly recommend it. If anybody needs a ride (I have room for one bike) or something carried up there the Jeep, trailer and I will be leaving the Shady Grove Rd on-ramp to I-270 at a few minutes before 6:00AM. Feel free to Email me or call the shop (703) 471-6990 if you have any questions. I am not affiliated with them in any way, they have helped me become a better rider and I wanted to pass this on. Jay From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 10:07:23 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:10:59 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Accept-Language: en To: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" CC: vfr@XXXXXX, "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: VFR for sale And Chris gets a sales commission! %^) "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: > > I can vouch for Danny's VFR. I've seen it and ridden it, and it's in > immaculate condition. Someone will be getting a real cherry of a bike. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 10:29:38 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: "Chuck Pena" Cc: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: VFR for sale Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:28:29 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I don't think so. He ought to be paying me because I let him ride it. :) Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Pena To: Weaver, Chris_(MD) Cc: ; D.C. Cycles Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 1:10 PM Subject: Re: VFR for sale > And Chris gets a sales commission! %^) > > "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: > > > > I can vouch for Danny's VFR. I've seen it and ridden it, and it's in > > immaculate condition. Someone will be getting a real cherry of a bike. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 10:43:57 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Danny Thompson'" , Chuck Pena Cc: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: RE: VFR for sale Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:43:50 -0400 Well, I let Danny pull wheelies on my VTR, so I hardly think I should be the one shelling out the cash! Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Thompson [SMTP:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 9:28 AM > To: Chuck Pena > Cc: D.C. Cycles > Subject: Re: VFR for sale > > I don't think so. He ought to be paying me because I let him ride it. :) > Danny > '99 VFR (for sale) > '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) > Warrenton, VA > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chuck Pena > To: Weaver, Chris_(MD) > Cc: ; D.C. Cycles > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 1:10 PM > Subject: Re: VFR for sale > > > > And Chris gets a sales commission! %^) > > > > "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: > > > > > > I can vouch for Danny's VFR. I've seen it and ridden it, and it's in > > > immaculate condition. Someone will be getting a real cherry of a bike. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 10:46:58 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:46:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Your opinion - Kawa 7R / 9R While the 7R may be dated I think it's one of the best looking sport bikes made (Once you get rid of those silly Ninja stickers). Isn't there a 7RR or something? > In a message dated 4/3/00 3:35:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Rbeatty@XXXXXX > writes: > > << I'm looking into purchasing the kawa 9R or 7R for 2000. >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 10:47:05 2000 From: "Crouse, Roger" To: "'dysart@XXXXXX'" , Danny Thompson , vfr@XXXXXX, SV650@XXXXXX, "D.C. Cycles" Subject: RE: peg-feelers Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:46:42 -0400 At DC-Cycles Circles this spring, one rider, on a connie, was scraping the centerstand, causing the back tire to leave the ground momentarily, and sliding the rear of the bike outward from the direction of the lean angle. I guess it could be a useful way to turn a large bike sharper at low speed. But it would probably cost time. Those were some tight turns. Didn't try it myself though. I think the best time I saw was in the 29 second range. Roger Pretty simple, to let you know that you are getting low to the ground. Its better to drag something like a peg feeeling which is mounted to a peg that moves then to drag something "hard" like a muffler, center stand (I won't mention any names of the people I've seen drag those!). Basically when you start dragging something hard your chance of going down are a lot higher. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 10:51:15 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:50:01 EDT Subject: Re: peg-feelers To: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX, dthompso1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/4/00 10:04:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Donald.Burger@XXXXXX writes: > Its Honda policy that the first thing to > touch down on one of their street bikes are the pegs. Yup - that's absolutely correct. However, I have another theory that Honda just wanted to make it so street squids has some remote change to drag something on the RC51. With the rearsets and high cans, there's simply no other way they could. :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 11:00:19 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:00:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: RE: peg-feelers Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Crouse, Roger wrote: > I think the best time I saw was in the 29 second range. Yeah, times were up this year... :( This reminds me, I never did appropriately thank Leon. He always puts a bunch of effort into setting things up and even added engraved doohickeys (technical term) for the winners this time. While I was disappointed I made the long trip only to have the cold weather chase me (and my wife and kids) home I was more disappointed to see Leon's effort mostly go in vain. Thanks again, Leon! > center stand (I won't mention any names of the people I've > seen drag those!). Gosh, that sounds dangerous! Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 12:10:15 2000 From: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 11:17:47 -0400 Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Tom, What do you consider low mileage? Less than 5k/year? Just curious. --chris To: Troutman dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) I said that was a major concern when looking to buy. I never said ALL low mileage bikes were....shit, dude, I buy a used, low-mileage bike every 1-2 years. -- tg ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 12:53:29 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: , "SV650 List" , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: 10 x 100 x .7 bolt Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:52:05 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Anyone know where I can find such a beast? (see subject) I need one that is about 45 mm. longer than the stock motor mount bolt on the left of the bike to mount a frame slider. Note: the thread pitch is what is causing the most problems, I can find 10 x 100 with the 1.5 (coarse) pitch but not the .7 (fine) pitch. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 13:08:44 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Seat Re-cover needed Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:05:36 -0400 Can any one recommend a local outfit that can recover a motorcycle seat with simple black? Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 13:21:15 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: saturday ride Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:19:53 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e34HLO903140 I have no doubt racing is fun, exciting, addicting... but I was talking about riding every day.. So I was assuming the tracks would be empty therefor it would be kind of boring. Atleast on the street you could go see new sights, meet new people. Maybe if I was foggy I'd be okay with driving a high performance car on the street.. but since i can't afford one.. a motorcycle is it for me :) Until i'm rich, I'll be riding on the street :) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 13:39:53 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Mike T Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: m/c crunch on Columbia Pike (VA) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:42:19 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e34Hdv903396 On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:02:19 -0400, you wrote: |>It is a careful balance of lane control and tailgating. Personally I |>prefer being too close to being cut off if I feel like that is their |>plan. People tend to bully in with size. I get cut off daily at two |>intersections where two lanes become one. What are they gaining by putting |>me at risk? 10 feet? well maybe we aren't picturing the same scenario but arent' you supposed to be thinking of what the car might do and be prepared to react.. by slowing down more to create a new space cushion for that car? My girlfriend likes to drive like that.. she recently got into an accident because the car still merged over anyway. I try to tell her it's not her obligation to enforce how other people "should" drive. She doesn't like to let people over and say "they shoulda got over sooner" and th is in moving traffic mind you. Well she had to deal with some back soreness. One day she'll learn.. let the idiots do their thing, and be prepared for it. I think it's even more important on a bike to stay away from cars.. being in front of you, or beside you, or behind you. of course i'm not exactly the posterboy for legal street riding but.. hey if a car can cut you off you're going to slow!! just kidding hehe. if your'e following a car you need to switch lanes!! hehe just kidding. Daniel |> Mike Troutman |> mike@XXXXXX |> http://www.troutman.org/vfr |> |> '97 Honda VFR 750 |> 20k miles + From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 13:55:38 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Cc: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX, dthompso1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: peg-feelers Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:58:07 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e34Hte903647 And I always thought they were there to let you know you're bike as at an angle where you are running out of tire traction because there was nothing to drag to let you know. On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:50:01 EDT, you wrote: |>In a message dated 4/4/00 10:04:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, |>Donald.Burger@XXXXXX writes: |> |>> Its Honda policy that the first thing to |>> touch down on one of their street bikes are the pegs. |> |>Yup - that's absolutely correct. |> |>However, I have another theory that Honda just wanted to make it so street |>squids has some remote change to drag something on the RC51. With the |>rearsets and high cans, there's simply no other way they could. |> |>:) |> |>- Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 14:07:45 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:07:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: 10 x 100 x .7 bolt Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Danny Thompson wrote: > Anyone know where I can find such a beast? (see subject) I need one that is > about 45 mm. longer than the stock motor mount bolt on the left of the bike > to mount a frame slider. Note: the thread pitch is what is causing the most > problems, I can find 10 x 100 with the 1.5 (coarse) pitch but not the .7 > (fine) pitch. Try a marine bolt supply place. The one in Annapolis has a huge variety... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 14:12:51 2000 Reply-To: From: "Kevin Glick" To: "Danny Thompson" , , "SV650 List" , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: RE: 10 x 100 x .7 bolt Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:16:22 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hey Danny are you talking about those white skateboard wheel type sliders or somethingyou've made? Are you mounting to the VFR or the SV? If the VFR I'd like to know whose sliders you're using and let me know if you find the bolts. kev Kevin Glick (kglick@XXXXXX)-The Isle O' Manhattan(NYC) CCS/LRRS Expert#431 US Marshalls Track Safety Mgt Crew http://www.usmarshalls.org TeamDaemon Racing http://www.Teamdaemon.com 93'VFR750F - DANA // 88'CBR600F1 - Roxanne > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-vfr@XXXXXX [mailto:owner-vfr@XXXXXX]On Behalf Of > Danny Thompson > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 10:52 AM > To: vfr@XXXXXX; SV650 List; D.C. Cycles > Subject: 10 x 100 x .7 bolt > > > Anyone know where I can find such a beast? (see subject) I need > one that is > about 45 mm. longer than the stock motor mount bolt on the left > of the bike > to mount a frame slider. Note: the thread pitch is what is > causing the most > problems, I can find 10 x 100 with the 1.5 (coarse) pitch but not the .7 > (fine) pitch. > > Danny > '99 VFR (for sale) > '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) > Warrenton, VA > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ > for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 14:19:52 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:18:47 -0400 From: Richard Wood X-Accept-Language: en To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: police chases, P.G. county ups the ante. > >From what I understand, P.G. county is implementing a no chase policy > stemmed from when the police hit the wrong biker, after the runner got > away from a chase, merely from speeding. This no chase policy is also > supposed to be even for felonies. This does not however keep MD state > police from chasing you in P.G. county.>>> > > P.G. County may have a reason for the new no chase policy. > My next-door neighbor will be the commander of the newly forming P.G. helicopter unit, and one of my riding buddies is one of the pilots. The unit will do NO medivac, and one or two helos should be in the air 24/7. So, be carefull out there. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 14:43:15 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:43:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: 10 x 100 x .7 bolt To: Danny Thompson , "D.C. Cycles" Threads are relatively easy to cut. If you can get the bolt long enough without the threads, you should be able to buy the die and cut the threads yourself. For a little more than that, a machine shop should be able to cut them for you. Leon. --- Danny Thompson wrote: > Anyone know where I can find such a beast? (see > subject) I need one that is > about 45 mm. longer than the stock motor mount bolt > on the left of the bike > to mount a frame slider. Note: the thread pitch is > what is causing the most > problems, I can find 10 x 100 with the 1.5 (coarse) > pitch but not the .7 > (fine) pitch. > > Danny > '99 VFR (for sale) > '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) > Warrenton, VA > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, > 1-888-743-6825 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 14:44:45 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:43:53 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "'DC Cycles'" , Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Seat Re-cover needed ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mark Kitchell >Can any one recommend a local outfit that can recover a motorcycle seat with >simple black? That depends on what you mean by "local". Don Elkins, in Fairfax City, did a nice job on my ex-BMW's seat for $100. There's another guy near there someone recommended, and he wanted about $120, as I recall. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 14:45:23 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:44:54 EDT Subject: Re: peg-feelers To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/4/00 2:03:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > And I always thought they were there to let you know you're bike as at > an angle where you are running out of tire traction because there was > nothing to drag to let you know. Not really... for race bikes the first thing we do is scrap the stock pegs for rear sets (mounted higher and further back) and possibly raise the exhaust and ride height. You'd be amazed at how far over a bike can go without losing traction. Honda's policy is called their "First touch" policy. Every streetbike they make will touch the footpegs down first. This is so the rider knows that the next thing to touch down is going to cost significantly more than a $20 footpeg (usually the exhaust then crank cases) :) - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 14:55:55 2000 Date: 4 Apr 00 14:55:47 EDT From: Linda Tanner To: Subject: Re: peg-feelers X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e34Itv904701 Brian Roach said: Honda's policy is called their "First touch" policy. Every streetbike they make will touch the footpegs down first. This is so the rider knows that the next thing to touch down is going to cost significantly more than a $20 footpeg (usually the exhaust then crank cases) :) Gee, I was under the impression that on an XX, the lower fairing hit before the feelers. Am I wrong, Zbig? LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 15:09:11 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Cc: "Danny Thompson" , , "SV650 List" , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: 10 x 100 x .7 bolt Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:11:38 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e34J9E904963 Is it just me or are frame sliders expensive? Danny you want more race money, you might consider going into business making and installing frame sliders for people.. you can practice on my zx6r LOL I want some cheap frame sliders :) Daniel On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:16:22 -0500, you wrote: |>Hey Danny are you talking about those white skateboard wheel type sliders or |>somethingyou've made? Are you mounting to the VFR or the SV? If the VFR |>I'd like to know whose sliders you're using and let me know if you find the |>bolts. |> |>kev |> |>Kevin Glick (kglick@XXXXXX)-The Isle O' Manhattan(NYC) |>CCS/LRRS Expert#431 |>US Marshalls Track Safety Mgt Crew http://www.usmarshalls.org |>TeamDaemon Racing http://www.Teamdaemon.com |>93'VFR750F - DANA // 88'CBR600F1 - Roxanne |> |>> -----Original Message----- |>> From: owner-vfr@XXXXXX [mailto:owner-vfr@XXXXXX]On Behalf Of |>> Danny Thompson |>> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 10:52 AM |>> To: vfr@XXXXXX; SV650 List; D.C. Cycles |>> Subject: 10 x 100 x .7 bolt |>> |>> |>> Anyone know where I can find such a beast? (see subject) I need |>> one that is |>> about 45 mm. longer than the stock motor mount bolt on the left |>> of the bike |>> to mount a frame slider. Note: the thread pitch is what is |>> causing the most |>> problems, I can find 10 x 100 with the 1.5 (coarse) pitch but not the .7 |>> (fine) pitch. |>> |>> Danny |>> '99 VFR (for sale) |>> '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) |>> Warrenton, VA |>> |>> Sponsored by: |>> Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 |>> |>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ |>> The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ |>> for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. |>> From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 15:10:11 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Mark Kitchell Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Seat Re-cover needed Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:12:41 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e34JAC904976 On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:05:36 -0400 , you wrote: |>Can any one recommend a local outfit that can recover a motorcycle seat with |>simple black? |> |>Thanks |> |>Mark I heard of people just taking leather rapping it over the seat and to the under side and using an industrial type of staple gun and stapling it in place. of course i'm talking sportbike seats like on the kawasaki zx_R series. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 15:17:35 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Richard Wood Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: police chases, P.G. county ups the ante. Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:20:08 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e34JHg905151 On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:18:47 -0400, you wrote: |>> >From what I understand, P.G. county is implementing a no chase policy |>> stemmed from when the police hit the wrong biker, after the runner got |>> away from a chase, merely from speeding. This no chase policy is also |>> supposed to be even for felonies. This does not however keep MD state |>> police from chasing you in P.G. county.>>> |>> |>> P.G. County may have a reason for the new no chase policy. |>> |> My next-door neighbor will be the commander of the newly forming |>P.G. helicopter unit, and one of my riding buddies is one of the pilots. |>The unit will do NO medivac, and one or two helos should be in the air |>24/7. |> So, be carefull out there. |> |> Richard Wood One state boy says the chopper can be up and to the scene in 3 mins.. so if you're gonna get chased.. you better ditch that cop fast. Personally I think if you can't ditch the cop in like 30 seconds, or like the next upcoming turn or two.. you might want to play it safe and pull over. If the cop can tell where you are headed.. you never know another car might be up ahead ready to cut you off. Of course I dont' think too many people are influenced to run or not via these discussions. People who already have the riding ability to get away already have it in their mind what they will or won't do. People who don't have the riding ability know better, and pull over. or they are complete imbasils and end up wrecking. :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 15:47:28 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" , Richard Wood Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: police chases, P.G. county ups the ante. Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:47:27 -0400 I strongly suspect that one's "riding ability to get away" has little to do with a decision to run or pull over. It probably boils down to one's level of disrespect for authority and disregard for personal safety. A little of both is a good thing in general, but the levels that one would need to have in order to decide to run from the cops is too high IMO. Chris Weaver p.s. It's rather ironic that you misspelled the word "imbecile." ;^) > -----Original Message----- > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [SMTP:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 6:20 PM > To: Richard Wood > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: police chases, P.G. county ups the ante. > > On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:18:47 -0400, you wrote: > > Of course I dont' think too many people are influenced to run or not > via these discussions. People who already have the riding ability to > get away already have it in their mind what they will or won't do. > People who don't have the riding ability know better, and pull over. > or they are complete imbasils and end up wrecking. > > :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 17:06:20 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: 1st aid / CPR course Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:06:53 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Anyone interested in doing a 1st aid / CPR course? I am willing to set it up if we get enough who want to take it. It will basically be a first response course, something I hope we never have to use, but.... Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike: reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers- www.shen-valley.com 1-888-743-6825 toll free From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 17:31:29 2000 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , , Cc: Subject: RE: police chases, P.G. county ups the ante. Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:35:17 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 -- Chris Weaver wrote: I strongly suspect that one's "riding ability to get away" has little to do with a decision to run or pull over. It probably boils down to one's level of disrespect for authority and disregard for personal safety. A little of both is a good thing in general, but the levels that one would need to have in order to decide to run from the cops is too high IMO. I suspect you are correct. I think other circumstances have lots to do with it. For example (not that I'd know this from experience or anything), one might run if they had gotten a string of bogus tickets recently and their drivers licence was in danger. In one instance I was riding with a group of 15 or so bikes. A cop got behind the group and hit the siren. I was in the middle of the group, so I pulled off on a side road and stopped. The cop used his PA to tell me to stay there and wait for another unit while he went in persuit of the other bikes that didn't turn off. Apparently while he spent the time to do this, everyone else took off. As soon as he left me I did the same. Everyone got away. I never even went more than 70, but I was running from the cops. I don't really consider that any of the above. Really just a case of a cop making a bad decision. I would consider it a case of real stupidity if I had waited as asked. When you pass a cop running radar, you are usually going over 70 for him to even bother to come after you. If he is still, you can put lots of distance between you before he even moves. If you can crest a hill and turn off, is that really running? I've done it once successfully and once the cop saw me turn. I immediately pulled over. When he asked me why I turned, I innocently replied that my shoelace had gotten caught in the shifter and I needed to pull over to free it and I wanted to be safely off the main road blah blah blah (it actually had when I downshifted for the turn). At least I didn't get the fleeing added to the ticket. I don't know if I really consider that running. There was never a high speed chase. Since I have never been able to talk my way out of a ticket, I consider it my form of a warning :) Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 18:12:52 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" Cc: Richard Wood , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: police chases, P.G. county ups the ante. Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 01:15:18 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e34MD8908093 ok i meant on top of all that dont' forget intoxications or maybe "hell one more ticket i lose my liscense anyway" motivations... On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:47:27 -0400 , you wrote: |>I strongly suspect that one's "riding ability to get away" has little to do |>with a decision to run or pull over. It probably boils down to one's level |>of disrespect for authority and disregard for personal safety. A little of |>both is a good thing in general, but the levels that one would need to have |>in order to decide to run from the cops is too high IMO. |> |>Chris Weaver |> |>p.s. It's rather ironic that you misspelled the word "imbecile." ;^) LOL Prince Georges county school system product here. woohoo! From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 18:13:16 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" Cc: Richard Wood , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: police chases, P.G. county ups the ante. Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 01:15:47 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e34MDH908103 Oh yeah and atleast i didn't sign that post From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 18:29:18 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:58:56 -0400 From: zbig@XXXXXX To: Glenn Dysart Cc: Danny Thompson , vfr@XXXXXX, SV650@XXXXXX, "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: peg-feelers * Glenn Dysart (glenn_dysart@XXXXXX) [000404 17:49]: > Pretty simple, to let you know that you are getting > low to the ground. Its better to drag something like > a peg feeeling which is mounted to a peg that moves > then to drag something "hard" like a muffler, center > stand (I won't mention any names of the people I've > seen drag those!). Basically when you start dragging Whom do you have in your mind, may I ask ? > something hard your chance of going down are a lot > higher. > > Glenn > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 18:29:16 2000 From: ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: MSF courses at PG College Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:27:43 -0700 Encoding: 18 TEXT Since getting them to open a special class for us failed - here is the info. you may need to register: Go to http://pgweb.pg.cc.md.us/pgdocs/Schedule/Summer/summer99/noncredit2.html for the schedule of classes. Registration, as I said earlier is April 12, beginning at 0830 hours. If you want to make sure you get into a class get there early. If you want to pick your class according to your schedule - get there earlier. With that said - the lady in charge of this did say that they have more classes than ever this summer and she expects them not to be full until the next day... I'd come early - say 0730 hours with a cup a coffee. Good luck everyone. Niv BMW F650ST Suz DR650 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 20:02:37 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" Cc: "r sperry" , "Matthew Harrell" , "cedric Bernescut" , , "Mark Kitchell" Subject: 1st Aid class Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:02:31 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I have enough people who have expressed an interest to take the next step (still room for more of course). I will try to schedule it for Sat. April 29 or Sat. May 6. I will shoot for 9:00 or 10:00 a.m. How does this sound? Dan