From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 1 15:07:02 2000 From: "Frank Wegerich" To: , Subject: RE: Used beemers Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 15:07:42 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Maybe you checked this site allready .... http://www.mortonsbmw.com/ Frank BMW1100RT -----Original Message----- From: Paul Elkouss [mailto:pelkouss@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 19:20 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Used beemers Hello, I am a professional lurker ;) I noticed the mess at the basin also. I parked a little farther and walked a little; thought it would be easier. A friend of mine is interested in the BMW r1100s, and I am wondering if you fellows have seen any used ones around. Thanks. Paul Elkouss 1990 Yamaha radian From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 1 16:27:01 2000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 16:23:21 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: m/c crunch on Columbia Pike (VA) No idea what caused this one. I was in the 4WD tank on the way back from Crossroads Cycles and saw a black full-dresser Harley belly up. Cop was on the scene but I didn't see the rider about or any other involved vehicle so the incident had happened earlier. About noon or shortly thereafter. From the metal scrapes on the road the Hawg slid for a looonngg time. From the looks of the Hawg while idling past it may have flipped and dragged both sides. Yes - there was an intersection. Stay awake, stay alert y`all. Bill on four wheels seeing as my Hawg puked the oil pump. From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 1 17:35:11 2000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 17:33 -0500 From: "Rob Bell" To: "VFR-digest@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: @#$%^!#$^! BDC and resultant parts needed Well, thanks to some asshole my beloved viffer is no longer pristine. Scene: went to join a few friends to relax after a long week. street parked in DC (against better judgement). due to crown of street and some excess macadam I couldn't get a good park on sidestand. so.. I put it pretty much perpendicular to curb on centerstand w/ front locked. Ahh there's the rub: Asshole BDC somehow manages to hit the front tire knocking bike over onto right side. Of course doesn't stop. Results: Cosmetic livable/fixable damage - scratched front brake lever, bent rear brake lever, small nick in frame from rear brake lever, scratched passenger peg, scratched pillion, small nicks in engine case right above lower fairing Cosmetic need (expensive) replacement parts - scratched R rear fairing (smallish spot), scratched/nicked R lower fairing, trashed R upper fairing Worrisome /expensive damage - forks slightly out of alignment (1/8-1/4"), broken ignition housing, broken upper triple clamp, deformed lock hole in frame Tthe whack to the tire w/ the fork locked was enough to knock the forks out of alignment and break the housing of the ignition where the plunger goes into the steering stem. The lock/ignition itself is okay. In addition, there's a small projection on the bottom of either side of the upper triple clamp to hold the ignition housing in place and make the locking action workable. The one on the left is busted off. I've straightened the rear brake lever and am pretty sure I can polish the front w/ a dremel but want to replace anyway. Looks like I have an excuse to get some of those nifty uncondomized '00 mirrors. I'm also rethinking taking the passenger pegs off b/c it clearly helped minimize damage on the back side. Fortunately the Micron was untouched. Wanted: any of above named parts. used is fine as long as there are no scratches, nicks etc. Any advice on what else to look for? besides a non-street parking spot =( Rob '96 VFR gaithersburg MD From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 1 18:15:51 2000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 18:12:10 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Rob Bell CC: "VFR-digest@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: @#$%^!#$^! BDC and resultant parts needed What to look for? How about collision and comprehensive insurance? Or is just old farts like me who pay ther extra $100/yr for that? Bill Rob Bell wrote: > Well, thanks to some asshole my beloved viffer is no longer pristine. > > Scene: > went to join a few friends to relax after a long week. street parked in DC > (against better judgement). due to crown of street and some excess macadam I > couldn't get a good park on sidestand. so.. I put it pretty much perpendicular > to curb on centerstand w/ front locked. > > Ahh there's the rub: > Asshole BDC somehow manages to hit the front tire knocking bike over onto right > side. Of course doesn't stop. > > Results: > Cosmetic livable/fixable damage - > scratched front brake lever, bent rear brake lever, small nick in frame from > rear brake lever, scratched passenger peg, scratched pillion, small nicks in > engine case right above lower fairing > Cosmetic need (expensive) replacement parts - > scratched R rear fairing (smallish spot), scratched/nicked R lower fairing, > trashed R upper fairing > Worrisome /expensive damage - > forks slightly out of alignment (1/8-1/4"), broken ignition housing, broken > upper triple clamp, deformed lock hole in frame > > Tthe whack to the tire w/ the fork locked was enough to knock the forks out of > alignment and break the housing of the ignition where the plunger goes into the > steering stem. The lock/ignition itself is okay. In addition, there's a small > projection on the bottom of either side of the upper triple clamp to hold the > ignition housing in place and make the locking action workable. The one on the > left is busted off. > > I've straightened the rear brake lever and am pretty sure I can polish the front > w/ a dremel but want to replace anyway. Looks like I have an excuse to get some > of those nifty uncondomized '00 mirrors. > > I'm also rethinking taking the passenger pegs off b/c it clearly helped minimize > damage on the back side. Fortunately the Micron was untouched. > > Wanted: > any of above named parts. > used is fine as long as there are no scratches, nicks etc. > > Any advice on what else to look for? besides a non-street parking spot =( > > Rob > '96 VFR > gaithersburg MD From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 1 18:22:23 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 18:22:11 EST Subject: Re: @#$%^!#$^! BDC and resultant parts needed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/1/00 6:17:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: << What to look for? How about collision and comprehensive insurance? Or is just old farts like me who pay ther extra $100/yr for that? >> I agree. If there's that much damage-and assuming you've got the coverage-I'd let insurance take care of it. I don't know how much that coverage costs on a sportbike, but on my Guzzi it's about $100 a year with a $250 deductible. I'd rather pay $250 than however much it costs to repair/replace all that plastic. Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 1 20:13:24 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Rob Bell" Cc: "VFR-digest@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: @#$%^!#$^! BDC and resultant parts needed Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 04:15:39 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e321Dc927723 www.motosalvage.com put in a parts request with what your looking for (and condition). Ask that they email you prices and several boneyards will email you prices. Daniel On Sat, 01 Apr 2000 17:33 -0500, you wrote: |>Well, thanks to some asshole my beloved viffer is no longer pristine. |> |>Scene: |>went to join a few friends to relax after a long week. street parked in DC |>(against better judgement). due to crown of street and some excess macadam I |>couldn't get a good park on sidestand. so.. I put it pretty much perpendicular |>to curb on centerstand w/ front locked. |> |>Ahh there's the rub: |>Asshole BDC somehow manages to hit the front tire knocking bike over onto right |>side. Of course doesn't stop. |> |>Results: |>Cosmetic livable/fixable damage - |>scratched front brake lever, bent rear brake lever, small nick in frame from |>rear brake lever, scratched passenger peg, scratched pillion, small nicks in |>engine case right above lower fairing |>Cosmetic need (expensive) replacement parts - |>scratched R rear fairing (smallish spot), scratched/nicked R lower fairing, |>trashed R upper fairing |>Worrisome /expensive damage - |>forks slightly out of alignment (1/8-1/4"), broken ignition housing, broken |>upper triple clamp, deformed lock hole in frame |> |>Tthe whack to the tire w/ the fork locked was enough to knock the forks out of |>alignment and break the housing of the ignition where the plunger goes into the |>steering stem. The lock/ignition itself is okay. In addition, there's a small |>projection on the bottom of either side of the upper triple clamp to hold the |>ignition housing in place and make the locking action workable. The one on the |>left is busted off. |> |>I've straightened the rear brake lever and am pretty sure I can polish the front |>w/ a dremel but want to replace anyway. Looks like I have an excuse to get some |>of those nifty uncondomized '00 mirrors. |> |>I'm also rethinking taking the passenger pegs off b/c it clearly helped minimize |>damage on the back side. Fortunately the Micron was untouched. |> |>Wanted: |>any of above named parts. |>used is fine as long as there are no scratches, nicks etc. |> |>Any advice on what else to look for? besides a non-street parking spot =( |> |>Rob |>'96 VFR |>gaithersburg MD From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 1 21:04:55 2000 Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 18:04:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: re: New vs. Used To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey!! that's not always the case... my old 93 gixer had 1 scratch on the entire bike when I sold it to buy my race bike, and I did that the day before I sold it... it had 32 thousand miles on it...When I dropped it off at Mike O's house, he was in shock.. looked like it just came off the showroom floor... Can't believe you're even pondering getting rid of that nice RR for a Cowasucky!! lol...thought you had seen the light after selling that nice ZX11 you had... hehehe Having ridden with you lots, I could see you on a 2000 GSXR before any of the cows!! (anyone wanna buy me one as a new racebike?? ligther than an R6 and has 128RWHP!!! yummy!!) Collin Tom G. wrote: I noticed you avoid the 'damaged paint job' subject altogether. How very convenient for you.....but you and I both know what mileage does to a bike's finish. ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 1 21:29:01 2000 From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:28:49 EST Subject: No ride for me To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX To all those who met at the Sheetz at the 55 and 17........ Sorry, I tried. I really, really did. FMS didn't open until nine and there was a great deal of confusion. This weekend was there open house. All this combined with some wrong turns ultimately proved fatal to my plans. I hope everybody had a good ride. I'll have to make it next time. Thanks for thinking about me! Take care, Jeff From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 1 23:28:51 2000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 23:29:13 -0800 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Accept-Language: en To: MOTO748@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Danny Thompson Subject: Re: No ride for me Jeff, We had a fun ride. Thanx again Danny! BTW, it's a good thing you didn't try to meet us at the Sheetz at Route 55 and 17. Danny's ride announcement posting had a typo -- the Sheetz is at Route 55 and 15. Of course, we all knew that! %^) Cheers, Chuck MOTO748@XXXXXX wrote: > > To all those who met at the Sheetz at the 55 and 17........ > > Sorry, I tried. I really, really did. FMS didn't open until nine and > there was a great > deal of confusion. This weekend was there open house. All this combined with > some wrong turns ultimately proved fatal to my plans. > > I hope everybody had a good ride. I'll have to make it next time. > Thanks for thinking about me! > > Take care, Jeff -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 10:02:50 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: zx6r problems solved (long) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 17:04:59 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e32E3B909372 No spark problem: Kawasaki (and suzuki) have resistors in the ignition lock so that the bike wont' start if hotwired or if the ignition is tampered with. First told to me by Glen from GRD cycles and also told to me by rick at fastlanes. FWIW Glen likes to sell salvage parts at 50% of what they cost new. I guess he has about 30 parts bikes, call before going down there and see if the have the part and get the price. He told me he'd make me a deal if i bought a lot of parts but when I got there, he couldn't meet my internet prices at all, but i did get my ignition lock at a good and fair price. He was knowledgable and helpful though, so I woudlnt' hesitate to recommend checking him out if you need a part. He was ready to sell me a so-so lock that he cut keys to, but i insisted it worked smoothly if i were going to pay $50. So he ended up breaking down the lock and putting it back together and makign it work smoothly. One of the keys only worked inserted in one direction, so he gave me that one free. So I was especially happy when I got home and the bike had spark after I hooked it up. Also my rear brake problem was in fact in the master cyclinder. Our Mr nice guy lister leon provided me with one of his spares. It looked like the same model from one angle, so I took it home, only to find out it was slightly wider and the bolt holes wouldnt' line up with the bracket. So mcgyvered it to be secure between the top bolt, and tie strapped and hose clamped the bottom portion of the cylinder. That way it would be stable until I can find the right part. It didnt' work right away, as the fluid wouldn't go from the resevoir down into the cylinder. The old master cyclinder had the same problem (as well as having a bent plunger). So anyway with my inginuity I decided to fill the cylinder from the top where the line connected. Through bleeding once (maybe twice) and filling it up from that spot, the brakes work very well now. It will hold me until I order one off someone on the net. Atleast I know that it's not the calipers that are bad. So for future reference, remember the lock anti theft resister, and when the brakes appear to be not working, make sure there is fluid in the cylinder by pulling the brake line and peer down into it. Top it off, and see if the brakes work any better. I'm surprised how easy it was to bleed the brake. I dont' recall having to bleed it more than twice and I think I could have gotten away with just doing it once. who here knows how to rebuild a master cylinder? I'm guessing the passage way from the resevior to the plunger area in the cylinder is blocked somewhere, and the plunger is bent so that has to be replaced. I was wondering how that comes out. Maybe I will try to take mine apart and find out. it's broken anyway : ) After this whole no spark thing, I'm a lot more confident in working on my own bike and can much more easily apply my car-mechanical knowledge to bikes...atleast mine anyway : ) so all in all, I'm pretty happy. If I start having bike problems, I can check most things out myself before having to bother other people for help : ) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 10:25:24 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: luggage rack Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 17:27:47 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e32EPR909883 Anyone here have any tools for bending some tubbing? Hmm I bet if i ask at the local hardware store they could tell me exactly what I'd need and how to use it :) gotta love small stores where people know their stuff. I just have to remember to actually stop by ; ) The idea is to create a luggage rack like the one leon has on his JD 600 (you know what JD stands for right?) Anyway Leon was saying the price tag for his was $200+, and we both figure it can be made a lot cheaper at home. I remember my mother's old grocery cart was bent tubbing, flattend in some spots and drilled so bolts could go through. Creating a luggage rack that mounts in place of the passenger handles shouldn't be too hard at all. Any Ideas? I might even create a rack that doubles AS passenger handles :) I was also thinking the rack could be cut near the bottom so that a "high back" or "short back" optional second peice could be mounted on the "stems" that come from each side. Kept in place by a couple of cotter keys. Much like those cheap hand carts use. I like to check out thrift stores for tools ( I need a timing light cheap) and I found one of those aluminum frame hikers backpacks for $5 (so it needs a zipper or two of the 4 side pockets). but i was thinking if i can make some modifications to mount that to the stems, that would be awsome. Could hook up the sleeping bag and tent to it, throw some clothes in the storage part.. would make a great little handy thingamabobber for those bike travels, and still have passenger room. Who needs rubber made! : ) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 12:07:28 2000 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: , "Chuck Pena" Cc: "Brian McCoy" , Subject: RE: You're all crimnials (well, in mind).. Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:07:11 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > > If the cops come busting in my door because I might speed tomorrow, > then you best believe the media will have fresh material and hopefully > my family will be rich from the lawsuits of my death and hopefully > there will be reform in whatever agency thought it would be a good > idea to force entry and kidnap me at gunpoint. Geez people, lighten up and get a sense of humor. I'm sure the original comment was a JOKE! From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 12:13:16 2000 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: Subject: RE: AMA news - 3 new pro-moto laws in VA Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:13:01 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > Yeah - WAY COOL! > That means the extra pair of tail/brake lights I put on are now legal! > > Bill "red ass" > Well, read more closely. It says: Motorcycles may be equipped with one or more auxiliary brake lights of a type approved by the Superintendent. The Superintendent may by regulation prescribe or limit the size, number, location, and configuration of such auxiliary brake lights. So unless your lights have been approved by the superintendent, they're still not legal. Wonder when, and if, the DMV will get around to issuing regulations about this. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 12:59:37 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 12:55:57 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: rmeyer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA news - 3 new pro-moto laws in VA RMeyer wrote: > > Yeah - WAY COOL! > > That means the extra pair of tail/brake lights I put on are now legal! > > > > Bill "red ass" > > > Well, read more closely. It says: > > Motorcycles may be equipped with one or more auxiliary brake lights of a > type approved > by the Superintendent. The Superintendent may by regulation prescribe or > limit the size, > number, location, and configuration of such auxiliary brake lights. > > So unless your lights have been approved by the superintendent, they're > still not legal. Wonder when, and if, the DMV will get around to issuing > regulations about this. > > In the wind, > Bob Meyer > 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > ============================================= > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to > pick on rich women than biker gangs. I dearly hope the Superintendant takes a close look at the VA Police Harleys before rendering his/her *learned* opinion. The ones I added are almost identical in position and size to the VA cop bikes add-on lights. Of course I wouldn't put it past a stuffed shirt beauracrat to draft seventy `leven pages of regulations on a subject he/she has virtually no knowledge or experiance with. Another 47 laws that won't be enforced unless the cop is in a pissy mood. I sweatith not. Bill working on super-nova headlamps.... :-> From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 14:09:03 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 14:09:07 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles Subject: '99 Yamaha YZR R6 FOR SALE 1999 YAMAHA YZF R6 FOR SALE __________ NOTE that I am posting this for a friend. Please don't reply to me. Contact info is below. __________ Akrapovic carbon slip-on. Dynojet kit. 99hp at the rear wheel (dynoed at Fast Lanes Cycles). Currently race prepped. Totally safety wired. GT Composite race bodywork (also have stock blue factory bodywork). Custom Targa rear seat cowl. GP (reverse pattern) shifter. RaceTech front and rear springs upgrade. Steering damper. 520 conversion kit (extra 15 tooth sprocket). Goodrich braided brake lines. New EBC HH pads. Michelin Pilot Race tires (one track session). Frame sliders. Full tank cover. Best (serious) offer. Bike is located in the metropolitan Washington, DC area. Call Pete at W (202) 775-7051 or H (703) 241-2744. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 14:41:47 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Subject: Re: You're all crimnials (well, in mind).. Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:44:12 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e32Ifq913769 |>Geez people, lighten up and get a sense of humor. I'm sure the original |>comment was a JOKE! Yes it was : ) From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 20:51:30 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 20:49:55 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Ride BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Real riders ride on the street! Remember that > > wussies like Fogarty are "scared" to ride on the street. > > I think you're confusing the word "scared" with "Bored". Imagine having the ability and the NEED to ride as fast as Foggy, and only having the crap public roads, with gravel, blind corners, oncoming traffic, potholes, tar snakes, horses & buggies, horse & buggie droppings, and (dare I mention again) bicyclists to deal with. Shudder. If I were THAT good, I'd stay off public roads, too. Crap is easier to deal with if you are going slow like me. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 21:01:35 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Brake-Lights Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 20:57:27 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: "RMeyer" > Yeah - WAY COOL! > That means the extra pair of tail/brake lights I put on are now legal! > > Bill "red ass" > Well, read more closely. It says: Motorcycles may be equipped with one or more auxiliary brake lights of a type approved by the Superintendent. The Superintendent may by regulation prescribe or limit the size, number, location, and configuration of such auxiliary brake lights. So unless your lights have been approved by the superintendent, they're still not legal. Wonder when, and if, the DMV will get around to issuing regulations about this. -------------------------------------------------- By the same token, until the superintendent DOES issue approved types of auxiliary brake lights, you can use any damned type you please, as long as they fit the VA DMV/DOT expectations (find out at an inspection station near you). This is the sort of ambiguous statute used by the MD ABATE to ride lidless. The MD statute says that motorcycles must wear a helmet, worded something to the effect, "approved by the Md legislature". Since they never got around to defining the types of helmets that are approved, some of the MD ABATE said 'f-it', and just didn't wear one. I happen to use a timed modulating device on my brake lights. On-Off-On-Off and On for 3 seconds, and then it cycles. I ain't removing it until it is specifically outlawed. I know people who have 'hyper-lights' (a true auxilliary) that feel the same way. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 146,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 21:10:11 2000 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:09:58 EDT Subject: Racing Next Weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX DC-Cycles Racers minus Collin and Brian I guess: I put the racebike engine back together (took 8 months) and it started. I am probably going up to Summit for WERA. April 8/9. Who is going up and will we have a DC Cycles Pit Area? I am considering going up early (Friday afternoon) to do some set-up. What are you other racers doing? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 21:19:28 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:18:34 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Accept-Language: en,pdf To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Brake-Lights It didn't even occur to me that my hyperlites weren't legal. I've had countless positive comments from trailing riders about how visible they are (and this is riders paying attention, not mind-numbed cagers who need more help), and I won't remove them unless the penalty is outrageous. My safety is worth way more than any reasonable fine. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA '97 Bandit 1200 Todd Peer wrote: {snip} > > I happen to use a timed modulating device on my brake lights. > On-Off-On-Off and On for 3 seconds, and then it cycles. I ain't removing it > until it is specifically outlawed. I know people who have 'hyper-lights' (a > true auxilliary) that feel the same way. > > Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) > <----------------------------------------> > * '91 ST1100, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 > * SS1k, FiTe V > * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) > * 146,000 miles and counting > <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 21:34:45 2000 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:34:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: ZX6R problems solved To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Glad to hear that you got it fixed Daniel... sorry I missed the original thread... that anti theft resistor stuff is soooooo easy to bypass. could have had you at least riding in nothing flat... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 21:39:18 2000 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:39:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Luggage rack To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Daniel, Any local muffler shop will have a tube bender (they ain't cheap!)... they likely wouldn't have the type of tube stock that you would want though...I would advise against using the backpack frame if you want to keep your gear... THey are too lightweight and would eventually break from fatigue failure. I'll try to get over to the shed later this week and take some pics of the Fandango luggage frame on my maxim (very similar to the Givi's). With some 1" x 1/2" oval tubing, it would be pretty easy to fabricate something that works.. and with some other southern engineering you could make a fairly nice unit... CT ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 23:47:01 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 06:49:28 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e333lC922346 where is your sense of adventure? Wouldn't you get board going around in circles constantly dragging your knee at every turn? wouldn't it be monotonous? Of course I guess he could afford to go to every track in the USA and get in free for publicity as well as afford to travel there no problem. I wonder how he drives a cage on the streets heh heh. Me personally, in a cage i'm pretty tame. Just can't compare to the zx6r performance so why bother. I drive like I wrote the laws. heh heh Daniel On Sun, 02 Apr 2000 20:49:55 -0400, you wrote: |>BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: |>> |>> > Real riders ride on the street! Remember that |>> > wussies like Fogarty are "scared" to ride on the street. |>> |>> I think you're confusing the word "scared" with "Bored". |> |>Imagine having the ability and the NEED to ride as fast as Foggy, |>and only having the crap public roads, with gravel, blind corners, |>oncoming traffic, potholes, tar snakes, horses & buggies, horse & |>buggie droppings, and (dare I mention again) bicyclists to deal |>with. |> |>Shudder. |> |>If I were THAT good, I'd stay off public roads, too. Crap is |>easier to deal with if you are going slow like me. |> |>Horkster From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 23:50:14 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Larry Meyer Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Brake-Lights Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 06:52:41 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e333oE922453 alright where's a good place to get some type of modulator or something. those setups sound pretty good and I like the idea of them not being a constant light, attracting more attention so i'm not rear ended. The cheaper the better.. i'm still outgrowing this cheapstate phase my mother raised me into. (Riding motorcylces helps heh heh) Daniel On Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:18:34 -0400, you wrote: |>It didn't even occur to me that my hyperlites weren't legal. I've had countless |>positive comments from trailing riders about how visible they are (and this is |>riders paying attention, not mind-numbed cagers who need more help), and I won't |>remove them unless the penalty is outrageous. My safety is worth way more than |>any reasonable fine. |> |>Larry Meyer |>Annandale, VA |>'97 Bandit 1200 |> |>Todd Peer wrote: |> |>{snip} |> |>> |>> I happen to use a timed modulating device on my brake lights. |>> On-Off-On-Off and On for 3 seconds, and then it cycles. I ain't removing it |>> until it is specifically outlawed. I know people who have 'hyper-lights' (a |>> true auxilliary) that feel the same way. |>> |>> Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) |>> <----------------------------------------> |>> * '91 ST1100, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 |>> * SS1k, FiTe V |>> * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) |>> * 146,000 miles and counting |>> <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 23:50:30 2000 From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 23:50:17 EDT Subject: Re: luggage rack To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/2/00 10:26:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: << Anyone here have any tools for bending some tubbing? Hmm I bet if i ask at the local hardware store they could tell me exactly what I'd need and how to use it :) gotta love small stores where people know their stuff. I just have to remember to actually stop by ; ) >> You can get some plummers pipe bending springs @ home depot for $7.50 or so, and while you are there you can get some 22mm copper tubing and elbows and make your rack from copper instead of aluminum from a back pack. It will last longer and be a lot stronger. ( I am a poet and din''t know it). Good luck! RMC From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 23:54:12 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ZX6R problems solved Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 06:56:28 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e333sE922491 I by passed the whole lock... it would crank and light up.. just no spark.. maybe if i left a wire off of the circuit... email me and let me know..i'm always up for furthering my education.. that info might come in handy if a lock ever fails on me again. Daniel On Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:34:33 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>Glad to hear that you got it fixed Daniel... sorry I missed the |>original thread... that anti theft resistor stuff is soooooo easy to |>bypass. could have had you at least riding in nothing flat... |>Collin |> |>===== |>Collin T. Fagan |>DC-Cycles Racing |>http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ |>Proudly sponsored by: |>Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) |>Dixie Cycles |>Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes |> |>__________________________________________________ |>Do You Yahoo!? |>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. |>http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 2 23:55:11 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 23:55:03 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Carl Fogarty is from England (sorry Pete) To: DC Cycles Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX X-Accept-Language: en,pdf After making sure that everyone knew that I knew that Carl Fogarty was from Scotland, I came home, did some research (imagine!), and found that he is, of course, from Blackburn, Lancashire (England). Sorry Mr. Friedman and whoever else. You are correct, sir. Anyway, Brian's Race Watch party was well attended and another very good time. Thanks, once again, to Brian Roach for his awesome hospitality. Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 07:49:33 2000 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:49:14 -0400 Subject: RE: m/c crunch on Columbia Pike (VA) Content-Disposition: inline Bill wrote... > >Stay awake, stay alert y`all. Yep. Get awake first. I hit a car on Thursday. I feel like such a dumb ass. About 3 blocks from my house. I guess one of the many morals of the story is that it's OK to watch only the car in front of you, unless that car SMASHES INTO SOMETHING. Some dork slammed on his brakes for no apparent reason, the guy behind him slammed on his brakes, the lady behind him (in the car I was watching) didn't stop fast enough, and neither did I. The aforementioned dork was charged with driving without a license and something like "stopping on a highway, causing an accident." The bike is still ridable; only lost the front fender and left front turn signal. I think I need to go practice my panic braking. > >Bill >on four wheels seeing as my Hawg puked the oil pump. And the new old Norton ain't running yet, eh Bill? ;) Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '65 Norton Atlas cafe racer [soon to be Triton] project http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 07:52:00 2000 From: "Brad Faas" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Racing this weekend Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:50:24 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Fred, Myself, Brian Roach, Randy Moran, and my friend Leonard (he rode with us -- he's got the ST1100, and will be racing an SV650) will all be up at Summit this Friday evening. I should be there around 7pm; Brian and Randy will show up around 8pm. So come on out Friday -- you should be able to find me in the usual Dc-Cycles area (by the bathrooms and pit out). Brad From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 08:27:54 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:27:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: luggage rack Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative Ventura, a company out of New Zealand, makes what you're describing. I had one of their racks on my old bike. I don't remember their url but they do have a web site and I could find it if you're interested. Sport Touring Accessories carries their racks and bags (I've got 2 of their bags as well). Buying a rack from them will cost less than buying tube bending equipment... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 09:05:58 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: Racing this weekend Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:05:41 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I will not be able to race this weekend but I will be there with my SV to get new rubber and work on the "little" things left to get done. I hope to spend a lot of time in the DC Cycles and other pits talking and learning. I will probably work corners on Sunday. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 ----- Original Message ----- From: Brad Faas To: Cc: Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 7:50 AM Subject: Re: Racing this weekend > Fred, > > Myself, Brian Roach, Randy Moran, and my friend Leonard (he rode with us -- > he's got the ST1100, and will be racing an SV650) will all be up at Summit > this Friday evening. I should be there around 7pm; Brian and Randy will show > up around 8pm. So come on out Friday -- you should be able to find me in the > usual Dc-Cycles area (by the bathrooms and pit out). > > Brad > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 09:41:19 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 09:37:32 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: luggage rack The absolute best aftermarket luggage rack I owned was made by Rack Factory, probably no longer around. It was made from T-6 aluminum, light and strong as hell. It wasn't cheap but after busting two chrome tube racks I went for the RF deal. Bill Kirk Roy wrote: > Ventura, a company out of New Zealand, makes what you're describing. I had > one of their racks on my old bike. I don't remember their url but they do > have a web site and I could find it if you're interested. Sport Touring > Accessories carries their racks and bags (I've got 2 of their bags as > well). Buying a rack from them will cost less than buying tube bending > equipment... > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 09:50:16 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:50:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: luggage rack (fwd) Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative Bill Huson wrote: > The absolute best aftermarket luggage rack I owned was made by Rack > Factory, probably no longer around. Sounds nice. However, the market Daniel is wanting to buy in (luggage racks for sportbikes) is very limited. Check out the attached for ventura's url from a new lister. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:41:36 -0400 From: Dennis Woods To: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: luggage rack Hi all. www.ventura-bike.com I just joined the list and will introduce myself soon. Dennis From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 10:17:49 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: CAUTION: GP Results..Do not open if you are plannig to watch SA G P 500 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:57:58 -0400 Thanks again Bryan! These events get bigger every week. Here are the point standing we were wondering about: 1. Garry McCOY 41 2. Carlos CHECA 40 3. Kenny ROBERTS JR. 35 From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 10:24:26 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:24:10 EDT Subject: Re: Racing Next Weekend To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX We're hoping to get our usual pit spot perpendicular to the front stretch across from the tech shed. Between Randy and I we'll have about 40' of canopy... should be hard to miss... look for the big black truck and trailer as well. The gates open at 7pm, and we're shooting for a 7 - 8pm arrival. - Bri In a message dated 4/2/00 9:11:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Boiade@XXXXXX writes: > I put the racebike engine back together (took 8 months) and it started. I > am probably going up to Summit for WERA. April 8/9. Who is going up and > will > we have a DC Cycles Pit Area? I am considering going up early (Friday > afternoon) to do some set-up. What are you other racers doing? From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 10:30:49 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:29:58 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Ballston (Arlington) cycle parking? Looks like my job is definitely moving to Ballston (Arlington) this week. We'll be in the office building behind the Holiday Inn. Anybody park motorcycles there? Any good ideas for mc-friendly parking nearby? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 10:32:54 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:32:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: New vs Used To: Todd Peer , DC-Cycles --- Todd Peer wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > I tell you what....I may not be the poster-child > > for who to buy a bike from, but my RR is running > > like a champion right now. It would be a STEAL at > > $7k when I unload it for the Kawi. > > ---->> you are rebutting your own argument. On the > one hand you say > performance degradation occurs based on perceived > high mileage (over 20,000 > miles). But here you are saying your RR is running > like a champ, and we all > know you don't baby that thing through corners. How do you figure I'm rebutting my own argument? I'll be selling it for UNDER BLUE BOOK because of the mileage (30-35k when I sell it). It's a steal because of hte upgrades. I'd keep it if the value would remain stable even with the mileage, but we all know that it doesn't. Why do you think that is?....because higher mileage means less performance, increased maintenance costs, and lower visual appeal....especially with a black bike like mine which shows off every scratch in the plastic. > ---->> fwiw, I have an interest in convincing > pre-owned shoppers that > high-mileage is not necessarily an indication of an > abused bike. I too will > be selling this year my CB750 with exactly 40,053 > miles on it (as of today). > The bike runs like a top. I'll agree with Todd here, simply because I've ridden the CB and seen it ridden....but I would NOT buy a high mileage bike myself because it would have 20-25k more miles on it in a year....F that -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 10:38:42 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:38:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 03/31/00 To: Marcy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Marcy wrote: > ROTFL > however, as one of those spandex wearing cyclists > ... I just have to say > that we wear them because they have padding in the > crotch :D which BELIEVE > ME makes a big difference when out riding for a few > hours ... Clarification: any girl with a decent arse can wear whatever she wants.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 10:42:43 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:41:12 EDT Subject: Re: New vs Used (re: high miles) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just my $.02 Unless I know the person, and know the bike, I'm not going to buy a high milage bike. Every motor has a finite number of miles in it, and if I can find one that's used up less of those, I'm going to go for it. Unless like I said, I know how the bike has been ridden and how it's been cared for, there's a much higer chance that it's in worse shape than a motor with significantly less miles. Not an absolute, mind you, but the odds are in the low milage bike's favor. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 10:53:04 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:52:37 EDT Subject: Racing tapes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: SKeener2@XXXXXX I know a couple people have asked for tapes of the races on speedvision... I'm going to dump them from the Tivo hard disk to my VCR this week, prob using the 6-hour setting on the VCR to get all the races to date on one tape (including the 125gp being aired today or tomorrow)... any objections? - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 11:11:27 2000 From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:11:16 -0400 I don't mean to brag but I have a '90 VFR that has over 67,000 miles with no repairs (other than a regulator rectifier) plus scheduled valve maintenance. And it still drives like a dream... Seth '98 TLR '90 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 11:31:57 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 11:35:37 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles Subject: Looking for Chris Weaver (Manassas) Chris, If you read this, please drop me an email off-list at cvkgpena@XXXXXX. Thanx! Chuck Pena '93 GSXR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 11:52:31 2000 From: dmeyer@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:52:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Brake-Lights Reply-To: dmeyer0@XXXXXX In article <38eb3f67.264241874@XXXXXX> you write: > alright where's a good place to get some type of modulator or > something. those setups sound pretty good and I like the idea of them > not being a constant light, attracting more attention so i'm not rear > ended. The cheaper the better.. i'm still outgrowing this cheapstate > phase my mother raised me into. (Riding motorcylces helps heh heh) For Hyper-Lites, try http://www.sporttouringusa.com. Last I looked, they were about $50. -- David M. Meyer dmeyer0@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 13:04:25 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:04:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) To: "Haring, Seth" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Haring, Seth" wrote: > > I don't mean to brag but I have a '90 VFR that has > over 67,000 miles with no > repairs (other than a regulator rectifier) plus > scheduled valve maintenance. You're neglecting plenty of other scheduled inspection/maintenance intervals if that's all you've done. Also, what do you suppose somebody would pay for it? Certainly not anywhere near what a low mileage bike would bring in.... and why is that? Because that bike has a life expectancy of [X] miles which it is quickly approaching. > And it still drives like a dream... I'm sure it does....but go dyno it and compare those results with those of an identical bike with 15k miles on it. We're not arguing over whether bikes can last a long time....that's a given. It's the claim of decreased performance over a bike's lifespan that has some peoples' panties in a bunch. Kinda funny that these same people are the one's with high-mileage bikes who are currently attempting to sell them. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 13:07:29 2000 From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:07:17 -0400 I agree but this is more of a response to the statement that a bike goes downhill after 20K miles. I just wanted to tell all the nonbelievers that a well maintained high-RPM sportbike can have a long and healthy life. > ---------- > From: Tom Gimer[SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:04 PM > To: Haring, Seth; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) > > --- "Haring, Seth" wrote: > > > > I don't mean to brag but I have a '90 VFR that has > > over 67,000 miles with no > > repairs (other than a regulator rectifier) plus > > scheduled valve maintenance. > > You're neglecting plenty of other scheduled > inspection/maintenance intervals if that's all you've > done. > > Also, what do you suppose somebody would pay for it? > Certainly not anywhere near what a low mileage bike > would bring in.... and why is that? Because that bike > has a life expectancy of [X] miles which it is quickly > approaching. > > > > And it still drives like a dream... > > I'm sure it does....but go dyno it and compare those > results with those of an identical bike with 15k miles > on it. > > We're not arguing over whether bikes can last a long > time....that's a given. It's the claim of decreased > performance over a bike's lifespan that has some > peoples' panties in a bunch. Kinda funny that these > same people are the one's with high-mileage bikes who > are currently attempting to sell them. > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 13:29:27 2000 From: "Crouse, Roger" To: "'Haring, Seth'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:28:21 -0400 I rode a neighbors Ninja 250 saturday. It has more than 85,000 miles on it. Ran great. Enjoyed every minute of it. I'll never buy a new bike. I'd rather spend the 2 or 3 grand, that I'd lose(depreciation) when exiting the dealership, on accessories, an aerostich, gas, and another small sportbike to play on. Just my $.02, Roger -----Original Message----- From: Haring, Seth [mailto:Seth.Haring@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:07 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) I agree but this is more of a response to the statement that a bike goes downhill after 20K miles. I just wanted to tell all the nonbelievers that a well maintained high-RPM sportbike can have a long and healthy life. > ---------- > From: Tom Gimer[SMTP:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:04 PM > To: Haring, Seth; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) > > --- "Haring, Seth" wrote: > > > > I don't mean to brag but I have a '90 VFR that has > > over 67,000 miles with no > > repairs (other than a regulator rectifier) plus > > scheduled valve maintenance. > > You're neglecting plenty of other scheduled > inspection/maintenance intervals if that's all you've > done. > > Also, what do you suppose somebody would pay for it? > Certainly not anywhere near what a low mileage bike > would bring in.... and why is that? Because that bike > has a life expectancy of [X] miles which it is quickly > approaching. > > > > And it still drives like a dream... > > I'm sure it does....but go dyno it and compare those > results with those of an identical bike with 15k miles > on it. > > We're not arguing over whether bikes can last a long > time....that's a given. It's the claim of decreased > performance over a bike's lifespan that has some > peoples' panties in a bunch. Kinda funny that these > same people are the one's with high-mileage bikes who > are currently attempting to sell them. > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 13:32:50 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:32:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) At 01:04 PM 4/3/00 , Tom Gimer wrote: >We're not arguing over whether bikes can last a long >time....that's a given. It's the claim of decreased >performance over a bike's lifespan that has some >peoples' panties in a bunch. Kinda funny that these >same people are the one's with high-mileage bikes who >are currently attempting to sell them. Seth wasn't arguing at all. You all get a topic in your head and think everyone else is on one side or the other of an issue. Most people wouldn't buy a bike with 10k more miles on it than the identical bike for the same price. Why assume all low mileage bikes were driven by squids who never maintained them? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 14:12:14 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:12:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: re: New vs. Used To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > Can't believe you're even pondering getting rid of > that nice RR for a Cowasucky!! '00 Kawa 9R in purple/black is currently leading the list of potential candidates. I've owned 3 Kawasakis and have never had a mechanical problem with any one of them....quality, in my experience, has been comparable to Honda. And the motor on the latest 9R is supposedly incredible. We'll see. > lol...thought you had seen the light > after selling that nice ZX11 you had... hehehe > Having ridden with you lots, I could see you on a > 2000 GSXR before any > of the cows!! The GSXR is actually on my list (along with the 929)....you gotta love a 750 that has more power than the prior generation of liter bikes and handles like that one does. What is the list price of that machine anyway? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 14:24:48 2000 X-Originating-IP: [151.200.15.206] From: "No Body" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Thoughs on Yamaha YZF600R Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 14:24:39 EDT Hi gang, After looking somemore for a used bike, I think I have found the bike for me. A 98 YZF600R which low mileage. Does anyone have any thoughs on this machine? I am a fairly new sport bike rider. Your thoughts would be appreciated. I cant wait to get on a bike and ride with everyone here. Regards ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 14:50:52 2000 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: Thoughs on Yamaha YZF600R Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:50:26 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Though I haven't ridden a 98, YZF600's are nice bikes. The magazines admit that they aren't as sharp handlers as the GSXRs, but they have a strong motor and are comfortable. It was the only bike I seriously considered buying besides my CBR. I think you'll do well with it. Cedric 96 CBR600F3 -----Original Message----- From: No Body [mailto:kewlgt@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 2:25 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Thoughs on Yamaha YZF600R Hi gang, After looking somemore for a used bike, I think I have found the bike for me. A 98 YZF600R which low mileage. Does anyone have any thoughs on this machine? I am a fairly new sport bike rider. Your thoughts would be appreciated. I cant wait to get on a bike and ride with everyone here. Regards ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 14:50:56 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:50:33 EDT Subject: Re: Thoughs on Yamaha YZF600R To: kewlgt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/3/00 2:28:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kewlgt@XXXXXX writes: > After looking somemore for a used bike, I think I have found the bike for > me. A 98 YZF600R which low mileage. Does anyone have any thoughs on this > machine? I am a fairly new sport bike rider. Your thoughts would be > appreciated. I cant wait to get on a bike and ride with everyone here. Until mine got stolen in early '99... I loved it :) Very comfortable bike, good ergos (you're not in a committed race position), and enough hp to get you in trouble should you want it. It's no power-wheeling R6 mind you, but has plenty of get up and go. And... it's a Yamaha, for which I seem to have an affinity. It was my first modern sportbike (I rode an '86 Interceptor for a while, but it was too big and heavy for a scrawny guy like me) after riding for about 10 years, and I found it very easy to ride. I really liked the YZF, and had I replaced it with another 600cc bike, I would have bought another one. I got the Ducati bug when shopping for a replacement bike, and well... the 900ss is a great bike too :) (Not for a beginner, mind you... lofting the front as you exit a corner is a LOT of torque talking to you....) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 15:20:05 2000 From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:19:53 EDT Subject: Re: Thoughs on Yamaha YZF600R To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Great bike! Motorcycle online has a write up on it. I race one and I think it's fantastic. I've always liked the the yzf because it combines the best of sport and comfort. It has the best brakes in the industry (same as r-6 I think) and an engine that's easy to keep in the revs. It offers a comfortable seat and some of the best protection from wind in the 600 class. Combine all this with that awsome Yamaha Blue and White and you can't go wrong! (Unless you're talking about a pre 97 model). Take care, Jeff p.s. Look for my Blue/white/black/summit point brown yzf this weekend:) Jeff Ozmen Back to Novice status at my request!! # 86 From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 15:20:30 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 15:19:54 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: Subject: Your opinion - Kawa 7R / 9R Content-Disposition: inline X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e33JKU909922 I'm looking into purchasing the kawa 9R or 7R for 2000. I can't find the 7R everyone says that they'll be in within a few weeks but, I have seen the 9R Do you have anything that you add outside of the books? From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 15:32:25 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 15:31:16 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: DC Cycles Subject: Who wanted free helmets? I remember a post a while ago looking for extra helmets for the MSF. I've got at least four 3/4 face helmets around here (SM-XL, all some shade of red) that are all in pretty decent shape and aren't seeing much use anymore. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 15:45:35 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:45:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Spotting abused low mileage bikes? To: No Body , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- No Body wrote: > In a previous message chain "New vs Used" there was > some mention about how easy it is to spot low mileage > bikes that might have been abused. How exactly does > one do this, if one does not necessarly hold a > membership to the grease monkey club? Don't forget about neglect in your search. First and foremost re abuse: don't buy a used sportbike from anybody under the age of 20, unless the bike has close to 0 miles on it (basis for this: stereotype....but it's a good rule to adhere to, IMO). > Are there some > tell tail signs of bikes that have not been broken in > properly or abused. Tires, brakes what does one look > for? Ask the potential seller what maintenance has been performed on the bike and view the paperwork (if any)....every bike should get that important break-in service after the first 600-1000 miles (whatever the manufacturer calls for). This is the most important service a bike can get, and if it didn't receive it, the owner didn't care for the bike (and/or didn't know that he had to). As far as tires and brakes are concerned, low mileage bikes will have very little wear in either department. What sucks about this is that many sportbikes don't come with proper rubber and you'll end up having to replace it anyway (if you care about it). The most noticeable signs of abuse/neglect are: 1. an owner's lack of knowledge about what maintenance the bike has had, what kind of oil has been used, etc. 2. visual inspection shows a lack of due care for the exterior--could translate to a lack of care for the engine 3. low mileage bikes should not have trouble starting (could be a carb problem (neglect) which is costly to clean up) 4. always look for signs that a bike has been down (scratched casings, mirrors, fairings, etc. This shit gets really expensive to replace OEM) 5. trust your initial feelings with respect to the owner, don't let his assurances sway you into making that big purchase Disclaimer: I'm a pro at neither maintenance nor care. These are simply ground rules that I would follow and will follow the next time around. Hey, can you tell I'm bored as hell today? Come on, Todd, question my logic here! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 15:45:53 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:45:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Spotting abused low mileage bikes? To: No Body , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- No Body wrote: > In a previous message chain "New vs Used" there was > some mention about how easy it is to spot low mileage > bikes that might have been abused. How exactly does > one do this, if one does not necessarly hold a > membership to the grease monkey club? Don't forget about neglect in your search. First and foremost re abuse: don't buy a used sportbike from anybody under the age of 20, unless the bike has close to 0 miles on it (basis for this: stereotype....but it's a good rule to adhere to, IMO). > Are there some > tell tail signs of bikes that have not been broken in > properly or abused. Tires, brakes what does one look > for? Ask the potential seller what maintenance has been performed on the bike and view the paperwork (if any)....every bike should get that important break-in service after the first 600-1000 miles (whatever the manufacturer calls for). This is the most important service a bike can get, and if it didn't receive it, the owner didn't care for the bike (and/or didn't know that he had to). As far as tires and brakes are concerned, low mileage bikes will have very little wear in either department. What sucks about this is that many sportbikes don't come with proper rubber and you'll end up having to replace it anyway (if you care about it). The most noticeable signs of abuse/neglect are: 1. an owner's lack of knowledge about what maintenance the bike has had, what kind of oil has been used, etc. 2. visual inspection shows a lack of due care for the exterior--could translate to a lack of care for the engine 3. low mileage bikes should not have trouble starting (could be a carb problem (neglect) which is costly to clean up) 4. always look for signs that a bike has been down (scratched casings, mirrors, fairings, etc. This shit gets really expensive to replace OEM) 5. trust your initial feelings with respect to the owner, don't let his assurances sway you into making that big purchase Disclaimer: I'm a pro at neither maintenance nor care. These are simply ground rules that I would follow and will follow the next time around. Hey, can you tell I'm bored as hell today? Come on, Todd, question my logic here! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 15:51:09 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 15:51:45 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Accept-Language: en To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: [Fwd: [Suzuki-bikes] '00 GSX-R750 MSRP] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9470196732EAC06A47105C59 Tom Gimer, See below...... Steven C. Di Pietro Suzuki Owners Club http://www.soc-usa.org --------------9470196732EAC06A47105C59 Content-Disposition: inline X-POP3-Rcpt: stevied@gigue From: "Jeremy T Johnson" To: "Suzuki-bikes List" Subject: RE: [Suzuki-bikes] '00 GSX-R750 MSRP Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:44:41 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: suzuki-bikes-admin@XXXXXX Errors-To: suzuki-bikes-admin@XXXXXX X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Owners of Suzuki brand motorcycles X-BeenThere: suzuki-bikes@XXXXXX X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 $9399 http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr-20/supersport/fs_gsx750.htm Jeremy T Johnson Soon to have '00 GSXR-750...! http://home.earthlink.net/~jjohnson25/ -----Original Message----- From: suzuki-bikes-admin@XXXXXX [mailto:suzuki-bikes-admin@XXXXXX]On Behalf Of Steven C. Di Pietro Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:37 PM To: SuzukiBikes-L Subject: [Suzuki-bikes] '00 GSX-R750 MSRP Gang, What's the Manufacturer's suggested retail price for the '00 GSX-R750? Steven C. Di Pietro Maryland Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club http://www.soc-usa.org _______________________________________________ Suzuki-bikes maillist - Suzuki-bikes@XXXXXX http://lomond.pro-libertate.com/mailman/listinfo/suzuki-bikes http://fatman.pro-libertate.com/suzuki/owners.html _______________________________________________ Suzuki-bikes maillist - Suzuki-bikes@XXXXXX http://lomond.pro-libertate.com/mailman/listinfo/suzuki-bikes http://fatman.pro-libertate.com/suzuki/owners.html --------------9470196732EAC06A47105C59-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 15:52:39 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:51:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: FYI: VA Lane Splitting Statute To: "Jay St. Peter" , horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > BTW - you've gotta wear the "spandex" shorts to keep > from getting chaffed. > I never liked the gay biker shirts though. ^^^^^^^^ Uh oh.....the PC police should soon be out in full force for this comment. I believe the proper reference is "Sphincter-challenged." -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 16:38:22 2000 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "Tom Gimer" , Cc: Subject: RE: FYI: VA Lane Splitting Statute Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:33:35 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I meant "gay" in the 1940s sense, not the non-PC version ... yeah thats it -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 12:52 PM To: Jay St. Peter; horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FYI: VA Lane Splitting Statute --- "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > BTW - you've gotta wear the "spandex" shorts to keep > from getting chaffed. > I never liked the gay biker shirts though. ^^^^^^^^ Uh oh.....the PC police should soon be out in full force for this comment. I believe the proper reference is "Sphincter-challenged." -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 18:05:24 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: m/c crunch on Columbia Pike (VA) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 01:07:53 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e33M63912564 On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:49:14 -0400, you wrote: |>Yep. Get awake first. I hit a car on Thursday. I feel like such a dumb |>ass. About 3 blocks from my house. I guess one of the many morals of the Glad you are okay! I know a guy.. same thing happened.. but he went over the bars after bruising his jewels on the gas tank, hit the back window of a maxima and broke it. He was okay though, and the bike was for the most part. Anyone have a water bottle and fan for an 88 zx10 ? I really hate to see bikes soo close to cars that they dont' have room to stop. Some bikers like to make sure there is no room for a car to get over in front of them.. WHY? so you can end up like that? If someone wants to get over, let them. It's not worth the risk. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 18:12:53 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Robert Beatty" Cc: Subject: Re: Your opinion - Kawa 7R / 9R Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 01:15:27 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e33MCs912645 On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 15:19:54 -0400, you wrote: |>I'm looking into purchasing the kawa 9R or 7R for 2000. I can't find the 7R everyone says that they'll be in within a few weeks but, I have seen the 9R |> |>Do you have anything that you add outside of the books? The 7R is heavy. Get the 9R. Or wait till 2001 when the 2001 7R will be a monster to contend with the srad 750. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 18:18:07 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Haring, Seth" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New vs Used (re: high miles) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 01:20:40 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e33MI7912743 I know a guy with a 98 zx7R with 40 thousand miles. It runs like it's new. Of course he is religious with maintenance. He recently put a pack of r1's zx9 and srad 750's to shame on it. heh heh. Most of his miles he cruises along at 80 though.. but when he wants.. he gets horizontal through a curve : ) On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:11:16 -0400 , you wrote: |> |> |>I don't mean to brag but I have a '90 VFR that has over 67,000 miles with no |>repairs (other than a regulator rectifier) plus scheduled valve maintenance. |> |>And it still drives like a dream... |> |>Seth |>'98 TLR |>'90 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 19:41:51 2000 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:40:55 EDT Subject: Re: Your opinion - Kawa 7R / 9R To: Rbeatty@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/3/00 3:35:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Rbeatty@XXXXXX writes: << I'm looking into purchasing the kawa 9R or 7R for 2000. >> Wouldn't recommend the 7R. It is very old design wise and weighs quite a bit more than the 9R. Not a very good package these days. It also has quite a bit less HP than a 9R. If you want a 750 go for the 2000 GSXR and that is coming from a Kawasaki guy (98-ZX-9R). Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 21:05:32 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Racing Next weekend Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:01:15 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I will be there either Saturday/sunday working some corner. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:09:58 EDT Subject: Racing Next Weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX DC-Cycles Racers minus Collin and Brian I guess: I put the racebike engine back together (took 8 months) and it started. I am probably going up to Summit for WERA. April 8/9. Who is going up and will we have a DC Cycles Pit Area? I am considering going up early (Friday afternoon) to do some set-up. What are you other racers doing? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 21:08:29 2000 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:07:58 EDT Subject: Re: Thoughs on Yamaha YZF600R To: MOTO748@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/3/2000 3:30:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MOTO748@XXXXXX writes: << It offers a comfortable seat and some of the best protection from wind in the 600 class. Combine all this with that awsome Yamaha Blue and White and you can't go wrong! (Unless you're talking about a pre 97 model). Take care, Jeff >> No no no no NO.......the Red/White/Black scheme of the R6 is waaaaaayyyyyyy nicer. ;-) Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 21:17:34 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:17:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: saturday ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Daniel wrote: "where is your sense of adventure? Wouldn't you get board going around in circles constantly dragging your knee at every turn? wouldn't it be monotonous?" Obviously coming from someone who has never been on a track in the heat of competition.!! ;-) SEriously though, if you are an adrenaleine (sp?) junky, which you sound like, once you've been out on the track, street riding will just never be the same...Since I've started racing, I keep buying smaller and smaller street bikes with less power... keeps the street riding interesting... I honestly think riding on the street now with a 600 sportbike or bigger would thoroughly bore me....To get even a partial thrill out of what the bike is capable of, I'd be going waaaaaaaaaay faster than is reasonable, prudent, and even remotley safe for the street.....I am pushing it with the bandit 400... The old maxim 650 was actually pretty enjoyable.. I really had to work hard to keep that ancient worn out beast going at a fun pace... "I wonder how he drives a cage on the streets heh heh. Me personally, in a cage i'm pretty tame. Just can't compare to the zx6r performance so why bother. I drive like I wrote the laws. heh heh" hehehe.... me too for the most part... After the track though, I am that way on the bike too... After your first full day/weekend out on the track, the next time you get out on the street, it's amazing how you notice all sorts of things like guard rails, tree rows, cars, dogs, gravel, etc etc etc....very humbling.... Don't take my word though.. come back and tell us how things seem after you take that track day coming up.... that's a good preview... multiply it by a factor of about 20 and you start getting into what racing is like... Collin (note Danny is selling his street bikes to fund his habit (aka racing) hehe...Someone told me racing is more addictive than crack... and they were right.. and from what I am paying, I'd guess it's almost as expensive!!) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 21:42:12 2000 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:37:56 EDT Subject: Re: Racing Next weekend To: toddbpeer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/3/00 9:09:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, toddbpeer@XXXXXX writes: << I will be there either Saturday/sunday working some corner. >> Hopefully you will see me finishing a F-500 race rather than removing pieces of piston from my exhaust. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 21:44:47 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: New vs. Used... Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:40:33 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 The Gimlet wrote: Hey, can you tell I'm bored as hell today? Come on, Todd, question my logic here! -- tg ----->> No! ---->> But I will add a few more tidbits. Aside from the suggestions that exterior condition may have something to say about the mechanical condition of your next pre-owned motorcycle (it does, I agree), there are some simple checks anyone can perform. - Familiarize yourself with spark-plug wear indicators (go to Trak Auto and look at the display). Pull a plug and compare it. You are looking for a light tan colored powder like coat on the plug. If it's a crusted black, you may be spending a little on a carb-tune. If it's a greasy-black...run, could be bad valves, poorly seated or loose piston rings. something you don't necessarily want to deal with. If the plugs are brand-spanking new, beware of something bad being hidden. Find out why they were just NOW replaced. - Ask the owner if you can see the air filter. If you get a "d'uh" or a "what air filter?", it will need to be replaced and is a good indication of the maintenance level. On some bikes, getting to the air-cleaner is a little difficult. But not TOO difficult. Most are easy to get to. - If the bike is chain driven, look at the rear sprocket. Do the teeth seem uniform and sharp on the disc side of the sprocket? Good. Chipped and worn (compare the driven side to the other side) means hard driven. And you WILL need to replace it, the drive sprocket and chain. - Check the chain wear. Kind of hard to do, but a visible inspection (is it dried out? caked with greasy filth?) tells alot about how the bike has been maintained. There are usually wear indicators at the rear axle bolt. How close to the "Replace chain" indicator are the arrows? Push the chain upward at the bottom run. More than 2" of play? Poor maintenance. - Shaft driven, usually no problems to speak of but you will want to replace the gear oil asap. Cheap at about $2 a bottle. - Bounce up and down on the front forks. Any leaks at the telescoping area? Fork seals are bad. - For disc brakes, use a flashlight and check wear. there is a notch cut into the pads (wear indicator). If that notch is less than 1/32 of an inch, replace. - Look at brake and clutch (hydraulic) fluid resevoirs. Black or extraordinarily dirty? Poor maintenance and possibly other problems hard to detect. - You'd expect someone to change the oil, but if they don't it'd be hard to tell if things are bad by color or odor of used oil w/o a decent lab analysis. - For about $5 you can buy a baby battery tester. They are designed to indicate the potential a battery will charge. All four little balls float, good/excellent battery. One or two floats, you will be buying a new Battery soon. - Flashlight in the gas tank looking for rust. Rust is bad. - All lights and horn in working condition. That's all I can think of now. Tom mentioned seeing any written records an owner might have. It has been my experience that anyone anal enough (me) to keep written records of a bikes maintenance history, really did maintain the bike. I mean, why else would you do it? Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 146,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 21:48:59 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:47:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: your opinion To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I would stay away from the 7R and go with the 9R if that is your final too choices...Granted any modern sport bike would be more than capable on the street, but if you want to consider potential resale, I'd go with the 9. For some reason Kawi (and all but suzuki) have seemed to abandon the 750 market, thus it is a low demand bike and hasn't really been updated like the other models...From what I hear, the 9R is a beast...(personal opinion is that the Kawis have absolutely Ugly rear bodywork/styling, but the front is ok).... Suzuki 750 is the beast of 750s.... new model is supposedly independently tested at 128 RWHP and lighter than all the 600 CC bikes...great handling, flawless trannies... but not a comfortable streeter.. CBR F4... well.. other than that there are a billion of em, they are great bikes... very comfortable, typically great honda fit & finish, strong motor. R6...similar to GSXR, but a yamahopper :) YZF600... Excellent choice as well...all the strong points of the CBR, just don't see one on every other corner... VFR750/800.. probably one of the best bikes ever made, but (excluding new year model) my god... ANYTHING BUT RED!!!!! hehehe I can't stand being a sheep, so I'd have to paint it something other than honda red...Canary yellow looked great on Rich's (can't rememeber last name..started with W I believe) previous generation viffer,a nd I believe that is finally an option on the new ones... SV650... probably the best bike for the buck right now from all I've heard seen... I am sure I am forgetting several very good choices out there.... The bottom line is get whichever one looks (and feels...very important) the best to you ;-) because anything from the original Honda hurricanes and 85 GSXR on are going to be more than capable for ear to ear permanent grin factors..... and unless you're spliting hairs in a BS session or out on the track, you won't notice most of the performance differences on street riding... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 22:02:33 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:02:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: m/c crunch on Columbia Pike (VA) At 09:07 PM 4/3/2000 , daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: >I really hate to see bikes soo close to cars that they dont' have room >to stop. Some bikers like to make sure there is no room for a car to >get over in front of them.. WHY? so you can end up like that? If >someone wants to get over, let them. It's not worth the risk. It is a careful balance of lane control and tailgating. Personally I prefer being too close to being cut off if I feel like that is their plan. People tend to bully in with size. I get cut off daily at two intersections where two lanes become one. What are they gaining by putting me at risk? 10 feet? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 20k miles + From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 22:37:29 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:33:45 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Mike T CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: m/c crunch on Columbia Pike (VA) Personally, I think tailgating to prevent somone from moving in front of you is asking to eat tailights. What do you gain from this risky behavior? 10 feet? Bill Mike T wrote: > It is a careful balance of lane control and tailgating. Personally I > prefer being too close to being cut off if I feel like that is their > plan. People tend to bully in with size. I get cut off daily at two > intersections where two lanes become one. What are they gaining by putting > me at risk? 10 feet? > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > 20k miles + From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 3 22:41:19 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:41:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: m/c crunch on Columbia Pike (VA) At 10:33 PM 4/3/2000 , Bill Huson wrote: >Personally, I think tailgating to prevent somone from moving in front of >you is >asking to eat tailights. What do you gain from this risky behavior? 10 feet? I should have qualified that. Tailgating in the sense that I am slightly closer than I would normally be to force lane control. Not so close that I lose my escape route or would fail to brake in time. The problem with these two merge areas is that every time I have let car A in, car B tried to force up as well. I don't know if people are nervous about riding behind bikes or what. It was much worse in the Winter than it has been lately. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 20k miles + From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 00:38:38 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:25:41 EDT Subject: Re: your opinion To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/3/00 10:02:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: > VFR750/800.. probably one of the best bikes ever made, but (excluding > new year model) my god... ANYTHING BUT RED!!!!! Honda offers it in the Yellow & Black paint scheme this year :) - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 08:09:37 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:09:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Troutman wrote: > At 01:04 PM 4/3/00 , Tom Gimer wrote: > >We're not arguing over whether bikes can last a > >long time....that's a given. > > > Seth wasn't arguing at all. You all get a topic in > your head and think > everyone else is on one side or the other of an > issue. I said 'we' because Seth chimed in on a different, yet related, topic than was being discussed. BTW, most everyone IS on one side or another of an issue....that's why they're called 'issues.' > Most people > wouldn't buy a bike with 10k more miles on it than > the identical bike for > the same price. Why assume all low mileage bikes > were driven by squids who > never maintained them? I said that was a major concern when looking to buy. I never said ALL low mileage bikes were....shit, dude, I buy a used, low-mileage bike every 1-2 years. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 08:11:19 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:11:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Your opinion - Kawa 7R / 9R To: Robert Beatty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX 9R rocks 7R is a dinosaur --- Robert Beatty wrote: > I'm looking into purchasing the kawa 9R or 7R for > 2000. I can't find the 7R everyone says that they'll > be in within a few weeks but, I have seen the 9R > > Do you have anything that you add outside of the > books? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 08:27:50 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: VFR for sale Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:27:45 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I am selling my '99 VFR. It has 13,500 miles, is in excellent shape. Never down with lots of extras including Micron high right aluminum oval slip-on, Givi Traffic top case and rack, "taillocker", full LP tank cover, Pro-Tour grips, custom hubcaps (2 - 1 billet aluminum, 1 powdercoated black), new (1300 miles) BT 56 SS tires, 1- 55/65 blue tint front light for visibility, complete service records and receipts, extended warrenty (4 more years), meticulously maintained. Asking $7900.00. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 09:03:14 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 08:59:28 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: new/used resale cont... For vehicles with a normal depreciation curve, most "blue books" contain a hi/lo milage *adjustment*. Average cage use is 12K/year, and I read a figure of 5K/year for an M/C, which is high in my opinion. Performance decrease in 15K miles? My my, and y`all are touting the wonderful features of a piece of mechanical crap that toasts in 15K? (UJM jap crap?) Yes, for WOT race purposes, frquent engine rehabs are the norm, but for street riding your basic UJM should bang away 80/90K before the engine begins to whimper. Anyone looking for cheap reliable two-wheel transportation can pick up a basic japscooter with five-digit milage and get one helluva deal. This is not true for Harleys. The blue book on my 8 year old scoot is MORE than it sold for new. But then I believe we were talking "reliable" transportation. Hardy - Har- Har. But then again, even at my more than 5K/year milage average, I'll probably be in a rocking chair drooling on myself before the Hawg gasps it's last breath. Bottom line - a newbie shouldn't balk at buying a dirt cheap hi-milage machine that appears to work well and be reasonably maintained. The dirt cheap feature will prevent that *Aw sheeiit* pain when you do the usual newbie tricks - failing to properly set the side stand - *splat* - overuse of front binder whilst stopping on slippery surfaces - *crunch* - and overuse of rear brake whilst in a hard turn *el slideo*. Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 09:32:09 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: vfr@XXXXXX, "D.C. Cycles" Subject: RE: VFR for sale Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:32:02 -0400 I can vouch for Danny's VFR. I've seen it and ridden it, and it's in immaculate condition. Someone will be getting a real cherry of a bike. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Thompson [SMTP:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 7:28 AM > To: vfr@XXXXXX; D.C. Cycles > Subject: VFR for sale > > I am selling my '99 VFR. It has 13,500 miles, is in excellent shape. Never > down with lots of extras including Micron high right aluminum oval > slip-on, > Givi Traffic top case and rack, "taillocker", full LP tank cover, Pro-Tour > grips, custom hubcaps (2 - 1 billet aluminum, 1 powdercoated black), new > (1300 miles) BT 56 SS tires, 1- 55/65 blue tint front light for > visibility, > complete service records and receipts, extended warrenty (4 more years), > meticulously maintained. Asking $7900.00. > > Danny > '99 VFR (for sale) > '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) > Warrenton, VA > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 09:45:54 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: peg-feelers Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:45:39 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I was looking at the mongo peg feelers on the RC51 and it made me wonder, why do they put these things on in the first place? Anybody? Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 09:55:35 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:55:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: peg-feelers To: Danny Thompson , vfr@XXXXXX, SV650@XXXXXX, "D.C. Cycles" Perhaps to give you some idea of how much lean angle you have left for "safe" street riding? --- Danny Thompson wrote: > I was looking at the mongo peg feelers on the RC51 > and it made me wonder, > why do they put these things on in the first place? > Anybody? > Danny __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 09:58:21 2000 From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'Danny Thompson'" , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: RE: peg-feelers Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:55:52 -0400 I got this from the RC-51 list: Its Honda policy that the first thing to touch down on one of their street bikes are the pegs. With the pegs set up so high the cans (or some other hard part) would have touched before the pegs. The only way to stop that was to use those REALLY LONG feelers on the pegs. Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Thompson [SMTP:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 8:46 AM > To: vfr@XXXXXX; SV650@XXXXXX; D.C. Cycles > Subject: peg-feelers > > I was looking at the mongo peg feelers on the RC51 and it made me wonder, > why do they put these things on in the first place? Anybody? > Danny > '99 VFR (for sale) > '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) > Warrenton, VA > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 09:58:56 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:58:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List cc: vfr@XXXXXX, SV650@XXXXXX Subject: Re: peg-feelers Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Danny Thompson wrote: > I was looking at the mongo peg feelers on the RC51 and it made me > wonder, why do they put these things on in the first place? Anybody? They set the feelers up so they'll touch the ground before any hard parts do (e.g., exhaust cans, cases, rear cowling :) ). It's a sort of early warning system. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 09:59:04 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: peg-feelers To: Danny Thompson , vfr@XXXXXX, SV650@XXXXXX, "D.C. Cycles" Pretty simple, to let you know that you are getting low to the ground. Its better to drag something like a peg feeeling which is mounted to a peg that moves then to drag something "hard" like a muffler, center stand (I won't mention any names of the people I've seen drag those!). Basically when you start dragging something hard your chance of going down are a lot higher. Glenn --- Danny Thompson wrote: > I was looking at the mongo peg feelers on the RC51 > and it made me wonder, > why do they put these things on in the first place? > Anybody? > Danny > '99 VFR (for sale) > '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) > Warrenton, VA > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, > 1-888-743-6825 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 10:04:47 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:04:06 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Accept-Language: en To: dc-cycles Subject: Cycle Sport track day 4/10 So, is anybody else form the list going to be there? Any of you racers going to be control riders? There are 15 spaces left. I have done 4 or 5 of there track days, they are great, I highly recommend it. If anybody needs a ride (I have room for one bike) or something carried up there the Jeep, trailer and I will be leaving the Shady Grove Rd on-ramp to I-270 at a few minutes before 6:00AM. Feel free to Email me or call the shop (703) 471-6990 if you have any questions. I am not affiliated with them in any way, they have helped me become a better rider and I wanted to pass this on. Jay From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 10:07:23 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:10:59 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Accept-Language: en To: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" CC: vfr@XXXXXX, "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: VFR for sale And Chris gets a sales commission! %^) "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: > > I can vouch for Danny's VFR. I've seen it and ridden it, and it's in > immaculate condition. Someone will be getting a real cherry of a bike. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 10:29:38 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: "Chuck Pena" Cc: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: VFR for sale Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:28:29 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I don't think so. He ought to be paying me because I let him ride it. :) Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Pena To: Weaver, Chris_(MD) Cc: ; D.C. Cycles Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 1:10 PM Subject: Re: VFR for sale > And Chris gets a sales commission! %^) > > "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: > > > > I can vouch for Danny's VFR. I've seen it and ridden it, and it's in > > immaculate condition. Someone will be getting a real cherry of a bike. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 10:43:57 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Danny Thompson'" , Chuck Pena Cc: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: RE: VFR for sale Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:43:50 -0400 Well, I let Danny pull wheelies on my VTR, so I hardly think I should be the one shelling out the cash! Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Thompson [SMTP:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 9:28 AM > To: Chuck Pena > Cc: D.C. Cycles > Subject: Re: VFR for sale > > I don't think so. He ought to be paying me because I let him ride it. :) > Danny > '99 VFR (for sale) > '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) > Warrenton, VA > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chuck Pena > To: Weaver, Chris_(MD) > Cc: ; D.C. Cycles > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 1:10 PM > Subject: Re: VFR for sale > > > > And Chris gets a sales commission! %^) > > > > "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: > > > > > > I can vouch for Danny's VFR. I've seen it and ridden it, and it's in > > > immaculate condition. Someone will be getting a real cherry of a bike. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 10:46:58 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:46:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Your opinion - Kawa 7R / 9R While the 7R may be dated I think it's one of the best looking sport bikes made (Once you get rid of those silly Ninja stickers). Isn't there a 7RR or something? > In a message dated 4/3/00 3:35:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Rbeatty@XXXXXX > writes: > > << I'm looking into purchasing the kawa 9R or 7R for 2000. >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 10:47:05 2000 From: "Crouse, Roger" To: "'dysart@XXXXXX'" , Danny Thompson , vfr@XXXXXX, SV650@XXXXXX, "D.C. Cycles" Subject: RE: peg-feelers Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:46:42 -0400 At DC-Cycles Circles this spring, one rider, on a connie, was scraping the centerstand, causing the back tire to leave the ground momentarily, and sliding the rear of the bike outward from the direction of the lean angle. I guess it could be a useful way to turn a large bike sharper at low speed. But it would probably cost time. Those were some tight turns. Didn't try it myself though. I think the best time I saw was in the 29 second range. Roger Pretty simple, to let you know that you are getting low to the ground. Its better to drag something like a peg feeeling which is mounted to a peg that moves then to drag something "hard" like a muffler, center stand (I won't mention any names of the people I've seen drag those!). Basically when you start dragging something hard your chance of going down are a lot higher. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 10:51:15 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:50:01 EDT Subject: Re: peg-feelers To: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX, dthompso1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/4/00 10:04:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Donald.Burger@XXXXXX writes: > Its Honda policy that the first thing to > touch down on one of their street bikes are the pegs. Yup - that's absolutely correct. However, I have another theory that Honda just wanted to make it so street squids has some remote change to drag something on the RC51. With the rearsets and high cans, there's simply no other way they could. :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 11:00:19 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:00:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: RE: peg-feelers Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Crouse, Roger wrote: > I think the best time I saw was in the 29 second range. Yeah, times were up this year... :( This reminds me, I never did appropriately thank Leon. He always puts a bunch of effort into setting things up and even added engraved doohickeys (technical term) for the winners this time. While I was disappointed I made the long trip only to have the cold weather chase me (and my wife and kids) home I was more disappointed to see Leon's effort mostly go in vain. Thanks again, Leon! > center stand (I won't mention any names of the people I've > seen drag those!). Gosh, that sounds dangerous! Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 12:10:15 2000 From: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 11:17:47 -0400 Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Tom, What do you consider low mileage? Less than 5k/year? Just curious. --chris To: Troutman dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) I said that was a major concern when looking to buy. I never said ALL low mileage bikes were....shit, dude, I buy a used, low-mileage bike every 1-2 years. -- tg ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 12:53:29 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: , "SV650 List" , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: 10 x 100 x .7 bolt Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:52:05 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Anyone know where I can find such a beast? (see subject) I need one that is about 45 mm. longer than the stock motor mount bolt on the left of the bike to mount a frame slider. Note: the thread pitch is what is causing the most problems, I can find 10 x 100 with the 1.5 (coarse) pitch but not the .7 (fine) pitch. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 13:08:44 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Seat Re-cover needed Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:05:36 -0400 Can any one recommend a local outfit that can recover a motorcycle seat with simple black? Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 13:21:15 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: saturday ride Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:19:53 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e34HLO903140 I have no doubt racing is fun, exciting, addicting... but I was talking about riding every day.. So I was assuming the tracks would be empty therefor it would be kind of boring. Atleast on the street you could go see new sights, meet new people. Maybe if I was foggy I'd be okay with driving a high performance car on the street.. but since i can't afford one.. a motorcycle is it for me :) Until i'm rich, I'll be riding on the street :) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 13:39:53 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Mike T Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: m/c crunch on Columbia Pike (VA) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:42:19 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e34Hdv903396 On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:02:19 -0400, you wrote: |>It is a careful balance of lane control and tailgating. Personally I |>prefer being too close to being cut off if I feel like that is their |>plan. People tend to bully in with size. I get cut off daily at two |>intersections where two lanes become one. What are they gaining by putting |>me at risk? 10 feet? well maybe we aren't picturing the same scenario but arent' you supposed to be thinking of what the car might do and be prepared to react.. by slowing down more to create a new space cushion for that car? My girlfriend likes to drive like that.. she recently got into an accident because the car still merged over anyway. I try to tell her it's not her obligation to enforce how other people "should" drive. She doesn't like to let people over and say "they shoulda got over sooner" and th is in moving traffic mind you. Well she had to deal with some back soreness. One day she'll learn.. let the idiots do their thing, and be prepared for it. I think it's even more important on a bike to stay away from cars.. being in front of you, or beside you, or behind you. of course i'm not exactly the posterboy for legal street riding but.. hey if a car can cut you off you're going to slow!! just kidding hehe. if your'e following a car you need to switch lanes!! hehe just kidding. Daniel |> Mike Troutman |> mike@XXXXXX |> http://www.troutman.org/vfr |> |> '97 Honda VFR 750 |> 20k miles + From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 13:55:38 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Cc: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX, dthompso1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: peg-feelers Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:58:07 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e34Hte903647 And I always thought they were there to let you know you're bike as at an angle where you are running out of tire traction because there was nothing to drag to let you know. On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:50:01 EDT, you wrote: |>In a message dated 4/4/00 10:04:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, |>Donald.Burger@XXXXXX writes: |> |>> Its Honda policy that the first thing to |>> touch down on one of their street bikes are the pegs. |> |>Yup - that's absolutely correct. |> |>However, I have another theory that Honda just wanted to make it so street |>squids has some remote change to drag something on the RC51. With the |>rearsets and high cans, there's simply no other way they could. |> |>:) |> |>- Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 14:07:45 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:07:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: 10 x 100 x .7 bolt Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Danny Thompson wrote: > Anyone know where I can find such a beast? (see subject) I need one that is > about 45 mm. longer than the stock motor mount bolt on the left of the bike > to mount a frame slider. Note: the thread pitch is what is causing the most > problems, I can find 10 x 100 with the 1.5 (coarse) pitch but not the .7 > (fine) pitch. Try a marine bolt supply place. The one in Annapolis has a huge variety... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 14:12:51 2000 Reply-To: From: "Kevin Glick" To: "Danny Thompson" , , "SV650 List" , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: RE: 10 x 100 x .7 bolt Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:16:22 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hey Danny are you talking about those white skateboard wheel type sliders or somethingyou've made? Are you mounting to the VFR or the SV? If the VFR I'd like to know whose sliders you're using and let me know if you find the bolts. kev Kevin Glick (kglick@XXXXXX)-The Isle O' Manhattan(NYC) CCS/LRRS Expert#431 US Marshalls Track Safety Mgt Crew http://www.usmarshalls.org TeamDaemon Racing http://www.Teamdaemon.com 93'VFR750F - DANA // 88'CBR600F1 - Roxanne > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-vfr@XXXXXX [mailto:owner-vfr@XXXXXX]On Behalf Of > Danny Thompson > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 10:52 AM > To: vfr@XXXXXX; SV650 List; D.C. Cycles > Subject: 10 x 100 x .7 bolt > > > Anyone know where I can find such a beast? (see subject) I need > one that is > about 45 mm. longer than the stock motor mount bolt on the left > of the bike > to mount a frame slider. Note: the thread pitch is what is > causing the most > problems, I can find 10 x 100 with the 1.5 (coarse) pitch but not the .7 > (fine) pitch. > > Danny > '99 VFR (for sale) > '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) > Warrenton, VA > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ > for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 14:19:52 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:18:47 -0400 From: Richard Wood X-Accept-Language: en To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: police chases, P.G. county ups the ante. > >From what I understand, P.G. county is implementing a no chase policy > stemmed from when the police hit the wrong biker, after the runner got > away from a chase, merely from speeding. This no chase policy is also > supposed to be even for felonies. This does not however keep MD state > police from chasing you in P.G. county.>>> > > P.G. County may have a reason for the new no chase policy. > My next-door neighbor will be the commander of the newly forming P.G. helicopter unit, and one of my riding buddies is one of the pilots. The unit will do NO medivac, and one or two helos should be in the air 24/7. So, be carefull out there. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 14:43:15 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:43:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: 10 x 100 x .7 bolt To: Danny Thompson , "D.C. Cycles" Threads are relatively easy to cut. If you can get the bolt long enough without the threads, you should be able to buy the die and cut the threads yourself. For a little more than that, a machine shop should be able to cut them for you. Leon. --- Danny Thompson wrote: > Anyone know where I can find such a beast? (see > subject) I need one that is > about 45 mm. longer than the stock motor mount bolt > on the left of the bike > to mount a frame slider. Note: the thread pitch is > what is causing the most > problems, I can find 10 x 100 with the 1.5 (coarse) > pitch but not the .7 > (fine) pitch. > > Danny > '99 VFR (for sale) > '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) > Warrenton, VA > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, > 1-888-743-6825 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 14:44:45 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:43:53 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "'DC Cycles'" , Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Seat Re-cover needed ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mark Kitchell >Can any one recommend a local outfit that can recover a motorcycle seat with >simple black? That depends on what you mean by "local". Don Elkins, in Fairfax City, did a nice job on my ex-BMW's seat for $100. There's another guy near there someone recommended, and he wanted about $120, as I recall. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 14:45:23 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:44:54 EDT Subject: Re: peg-feelers To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/4/00 2:03:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > And I always thought they were there to let you know you're bike as at > an angle where you are running out of tire traction because there was > nothing to drag to let you know. Not really... for race bikes the first thing we do is scrap the stock pegs for rear sets (mounted higher and further back) and possibly raise the exhaust and ride height. You'd be amazed at how far over a bike can go without losing traction. Honda's policy is called their "First touch" policy. Every streetbike they make will touch the footpegs down first. This is so the rider knows that the next thing to touch down is going to cost significantly more than a $20 footpeg (usually the exhaust then crank cases) :) - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 14:55:55 2000 Date: 4 Apr 00 14:55:47 EDT From: Linda Tanner To: Subject: Re: peg-feelers X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e34Itv904701 Brian Roach said: Honda's policy is called their "First touch" policy. Every streetbike they make will touch the footpegs down first. This is so the rider knows that the next thing to touch down is going to cost significantly more than a $20 footpeg (usually the exhaust then crank cases) :) Gee, I was under the impression that on an XX, the lower fairing hit before the feelers. Am I wrong, Zbig? LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 15:09:11 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Cc: "Danny Thompson" , , "SV650 List" , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: 10 x 100 x .7 bolt Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:11:38 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e34J9E904963 Is it just me or are frame sliders expensive? Danny you want more race money, you might consider going into business making and installing frame sliders for people.. you can practice on my zx6r LOL I want some cheap frame sliders :) Daniel On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:16:22 -0500, you wrote: |>Hey Danny are you talking about those white skateboard wheel type sliders or |>somethingyou've made? Are you mounting to the VFR or the SV? If the VFR |>I'd like to know whose sliders you're using and let me know if you find the |>bolts. |> |>kev |> |>Kevin Glick (kglick@XXXXXX)-The Isle O' Manhattan(NYC) |>CCS/LRRS Expert#431 |>US Marshalls Track Safety Mgt Crew http://www.usmarshalls.org |>TeamDaemon Racing http://www.Teamdaemon.com |>93'VFR750F - DANA // 88'CBR600F1 - Roxanne |> |>> -----Original Message----- |>> From: owner-vfr@XXXXXX [mailto:owner-vfr@XXXXXX]On Behalf Of |>> Danny Thompson |>> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 10:52 AM |>> To: vfr@XXXXXX; SV650 List; D.C. Cycles |>> Subject: 10 x 100 x .7 bolt |>> |>> |>> Anyone know where I can find such a beast? (see subject) I need |>> one that is |>> about 45 mm. longer than the stock motor mount bolt on the left |>> of the bike |>> to mount a frame slider. Note: the thread pitch is what is |>> causing the most |>> problems, I can find 10 x 100 with the 1.5 (coarse) pitch but not the .7 |>> (fine) pitch. |>> |>> Danny |>> '99 VFR (for sale) |>> '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) |>> Warrenton, VA |>> |>> Sponsored by: |>> Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 |>> |>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ |>> The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ |>> for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. |>> From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 15:10:11 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Mark Kitchell Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Seat Re-cover needed Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:12:41 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e34JAC904976 On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:05:36 -0400 , you wrote: |>Can any one recommend a local outfit that can recover a motorcycle seat with |>simple black? |> |>Thanks |> |>Mark I heard of people just taking leather rapping it over the seat and to the under side and using an industrial type of staple gun and stapling it in place. of course i'm talking sportbike seats like on the kawasaki zx_R series. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 15:17:35 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Richard Wood Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: police chases, P.G. county ups the ante. Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:20:08 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e34JHg905151 On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:18:47 -0400, you wrote: |>> >From what I understand, P.G. county is implementing a no chase policy |>> stemmed from when the police hit the wrong biker, after the runner got |>> away from a chase, merely from speeding. This no chase policy is also |>> supposed to be even for felonies. This does not however keep MD state |>> police from chasing you in P.G. county.>>> |>> |>> P.G. County may have a reason for the new no chase policy. |>> |> My next-door neighbor will be the commander of the newly forming |>P.G. helicopter unit, and one of my riding buddies is one of the pilots. |>The unit will do NO medivac, and one or two helos should be in the air |>24/7. |> So, be carefull out there. |> |> Richard Wood One state boy says the chopper can be up and to the scene in 3 mins.. so if you're gonna get chased.. you better ditch that cop fast. Personally I think if you can't ditch the cop in like 30 seconds, or like the next upcoming turn or two.. you might want to play it safe and pull over. If the cop can tell where you are headed.. you never know another car might be up ahead ready to cut you off. Of course I dont' think too many people are influenced to run or not via these discussions. People who already have the riding ability to get away already have it in their mind what they will or won't do. People who don't have the riding ability know better, and pull over. or they are complete imbasils and end up wrecking. :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 15:47:28 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" , Richard Wood Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: police chases, P.G. county ups the ante. Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:47:27 -0400 I strongly suspect that one's "riding ability to get away" has little to do with a decision to run or pull over. It probably boils down to one's level of disrespect for authority and disregard for personal safety. A little of both is a good thing in general, but the levels that one would need to have in order to decide to run from the cops is too high IMO. Chris Weaver p.s. It's rather ironic that you misspelled the word "imbecile." ;^) > -----Original Message----- > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [SMTP:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 6:20 PM > To: Richard Wood > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: police chases, P.G. county ups the ante. > > On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:18:47 -0400, you wrote: > > Of course I dont' think too many people are influenced to run or not > via these discussions. People who already have the riding ability to > get away already have it in their mind what they will or won't do. > People who don't have the riding ability know better, and pull over. > or they are complete imbasils and end up wrecking. > > :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 17:06:20 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: 1st aid / CPR course Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:06:53 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Anyone interested in doing a 1st aid / CPR course? I am willing to set it up if we get enough who want to take it. It will basically be a first response course, something I hope we never have to use, but.... Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike: reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers- www.shen-valley.com 1-888-743-6825 toll free From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 17:31:29 2000 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , , Cc: Subject: RE: police chases, P.G. county ups the ante. Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:35:17 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 -- Chris Weaver wrote: I strongly suspect that one's "riding ability to get away" has little to do with a decision to run or pull over. It probably boils down to one's level of disrespect for authority and disregard for personal safety. A little of both is a good thing in general, but the levels that one would need to have in order to decide to run from the cops is too high IMO. I suspect you are correct. I think other circumstances have lots to do with it. For example (not that I'd know this from experience or anything), one might run if they had gotten a string of bogus tickets recently and their drivers licence was in danger. In one instance I was riding with a group of 15 or so bikes. A cop got behind the group and hit the siren. I was in the middle of the group, so I pulled off on a side road and stopped. The cop used his PA to tell me to stay there and wait for another unit while he went in persuit of the other bikes that didn't turn off. Apparently while he spent the time to do this, everyone else took off. As soon as he left me I did the same. Everyone got away. I never even went more than 70, but I was running from the cops. I don't really consider that any of the above. Really just a case of a cop making a bad decision. I would consider it a case of real stupidity if I had waited as asked. When you pass a cop running radar, you are usually going over 70 for him to even bother to come after you. If he is still, you can put lots of distance between you before he even moves. If you can crest a hill and turn off, is that really running? I've done it once successfully and once the cop saw me turn. I immediately pulled over. When he asked me why I turned, I innocently replied that my shoelace had gotten caught in the shifter and I needed to pull over to free it and I wanted to be safely off the main road blah blah blah (it actually had when I downshifted for the turn). At least I didn't get the fleeing added to the ticket. I don't know if I really consider that running. There was never a high speed chase. Since I have never been able to talk my way out of a ticket, I consider it my form of a warning :) Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 18:12:52 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" Cc: Richard Wood , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: police chases, P.G. county ups the ante. Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 01:15:18 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e34MD8908093 ok i meant on top of all that dont' forget intoxications or maybe "hell one more ticket i lose my liscense anyway" motivations... On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:47:27 -0400 , you wrote: |>I strongly suspect that one's "riding ability to get away" has little to do |>with a decision to run or pull over. It probably boils down to one's level |>of disrespect for authority and disregard for personal safety. A little of |>both is a good thing in general, but the levels that one would need to have |>in order to decide to run from the cops is too high IMO. |> |>Chris Weaver |> |>p.s. It's rather ironic that you misspelled the word "imbecile." ;^) LOL Prince Georges county school system product here. woohoo! From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 18:13:16 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" Cc: Richard Wood , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: police chases, P.G. county ups the ante. Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 01:15:47 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e34MDH908103 Oh yeah and atleast i didn't sign that post From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 18:29:18 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:58:56 -0400 From: zbig@XXXXXX To: Glenn Dysart Cc: Danny Thompson , vfr@XXXXXX, SV650@XXXXXX, "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: peg-feelers * Glenn Dysart (glenn_dysart@XXXXXX) [000404 17:49]: > Pretty simple, to let you know that you are getting > low to the ground. Its better to drag something like > a peg feeeling which is mounted to a peg that moves > then to drag something "hard" like a muffler, center > stand (I won't mention any names of the people I've > seen drag those!). Basically when you start dragging Whom do you have in your mind, may I ask ? > something hard your chance of going down are a lot > higher. > > Glenn > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 18:29:16 2000 From: ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: MSF courses at PG College Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:27:43 -0700 Encoding: 18 TEXT Since getting them to open a special class for us failed - here is the info. you may need to register: Go to http://pgweb.pg.cc.md.us/pgdocs/Schedule/Summer/summer99/noncredit2.html for the schedule of classes. Registration, as I said earlier is April 12, beginning at 0830 hours. If you want to make sure you get into a class get there early. If you want to pick your class according to your schedule - get there earlier. With that said - the lady in charge of this did say that they have more classes than ever this summer and she expects them not to be full until the next day... I'd come early - say 0730 hours with a cup a coffee. Good luck everyone. Niv BMW F650ST Suz DR650 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 20:02:37 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" Cc: "r sperry" , "Matthew Harrell" , "cedric Bernescut" , , "Mark Kitchell" Subject: 1st Aid class Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:02:31 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I have enough people who have expressed an interest to take the next step (still room for more of course). I will try to schedule it for Sat. April 29 or Sat. May 6. I will shoot for 9:00 or 10:00 a.m. How does this sound? Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 4 21:40:54 2000 From: "oldwing" To: "Danny Thompson" , , , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: peg-feelers Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:41:54 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 My understanding is that Honda has a company policy that the first thing to touch down must be the peg feelers, not other more solid parts. Look how long they are on an RC-51! Rick Lloyd Huntington Beach, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Danny Thompson To: ; ; D.C. Cycles Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 5:45 AM Subject: peg-feelers > I was looking at the mongo peg feelers on the RC51 and it made me wonder, > why do they put these things on in the first place? Anybody? > Danny > '99 VFR (for sale) > '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) > Warrenton, VA > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ > for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 00:49:06 2000 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: DC Cycles Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:52:48 -0100 Subject: RE: police chases, P.G. county ups the ante. From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" > To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" > I strongly suspect that one's "riding ability to get away" has little > to do with a decision to run or pull over. It probably boils down to > one's level of disrespect for authority and disregard for personal > safety. A little of both is a good thing in general, but the levels > that one would need to have in order to decide to run from the cops is > too high IMO. > Chris Weaver > p.s. It's rather ironic that you misspelled the word "imbecile." ;^) I think it's even more ironic that you mispelled "misspelled" ;) BTW, how do you spell pedantry? JK 95 VFR D-mode From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 00:54:47 2000 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: DC Cycles Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:58:35 -0100 Subject: RE: police chases, P.G. county ups the ante. From: John C. Kozyn > > p.s. It's rather ironic that you misspelled the word "imbecile." ;^) > I think it's even more ironic that you mispelled "misspelled" ;) > BTW, how do you spell pedantry? OK, my bad, he spelled misspelled correctly - must be getting late here... JK 95 VFR D-mode From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 04:19:09 2000 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Uninitiated comments on riding street/track.. Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:19:10 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX said the following: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I have no doubt racing is fun, exciting, addicting... but I was talking about riding every day.. So I was assuming the tracks would be empty therefor it would be kind of boring. Atleast on the street you could go see new sights, meet new people. Maybe if I was foggy I'd be okay with driving a high performance car on the street.. but since i can't afford one.. a motorcycle is it for me :) Until i'm rich, I'll be riding on the street :) Daniel ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Daniel.. really, Collin's not lying or even attempting to pull your leg. Look at the racing commitment on this list nowadays.. Collin, Myself, Jeff Ozman, Jay St. Peter, Joe Nagy, Brian Roach, Jon Broga, Randy Moran, Brad Faas, Danny, etc.. (I know there are more I'm missing - sorry guys). 3 years ago when I first joined DC-Cycles, noone was talking about racing (except me - when I'd do a write-up of my weekend spent up there cornerworking). It's anything BUT boring. All of a sudden, you get the opportunity to focus on what YOU can get the BIKE to do. No concentration is wasted on the trees, dumb-ass cage drivers, cops, etc... You mention meeting new people as a reason for riding the street - I tell you I've met MORE quality people who I want to know for the rest of my life at the racetrack than anywhere else .. not to mention driving to new tracks, seeing the sights along the way, etc.. It's a direct replacement for high-energy street riding... but it's not a complete replacement. You'll notice that of all the racers I mentioned above, only 1 or 2 don't ride on the street currently.. and they probably don't due to time restraints (or monetary restrictions.) I second Collin's thoughts... "Obviously coming from someone who has never been on a track in the heat of competition.!! ;-) SEriously though, if you are an adrenaleine (sp?) junky, which you sound like, once you've been out on the track, street riding will just never be the same...Since I've started racing, I keep buying smaller and smaller street bikes with less power... keeps the street riding interesting..." There's NO way to compare anything you can do on the street with racing on the track. *grin* and as for the buying smaller and smaller bikes for the street.. I have 2 YSR50's now.. :P 50cc's of Pure meanness.. wheelies, stoppies, knee dragging - all to easily done with even such a small bike. Bah, but my main bike is still an 87 VFR750 (*ahem* - BLUE! thank you very much you VFR hating mongers).. and when I go out and run with the guys on '00 GSXR600's and 99' R1's - I'm NOT being left behind at all. *grin* I'm to the point where I want more of a challenge on the street.. something different to make riding fun again.. I think I'm going to buy a Harley when I graduate MMI just for a change of pace.. Ok, ok.. it'll be a Sporster and I'm going to make it look either like a roadracer/cafe bike or a dirt-tracker.. but oh, what fun to go humiliate guys on $11k sportbikes with a $7k Harley.. heheee... Ok, enough rambling. Daniel - GET ON THE RACETRACK.. you'll come away from just 1 day on the track with GOBS more ability and confidence in your bike. And, as Collin mentioned, multiply it by about 20 and you'll begin to get the understanding of why racing's so addictive (even for a big, slow guy like me)... Cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 07:20:59 2000 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 07:19:56 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: Subject: Bikes Content-Disposition: inline X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e35BLF921794 The new Honda 929 is being compared against the new Kawa 9R. People are saying that the Honda is a better and lighter bike. I have found that it's only 24lbs. With this being the first year for the 929 I'm a little skeptical about purchasing, with long run complications. Has anyone compared these two or have the 929? Kawa is the leader in cycles, to me, and to stray to a new street bike might be a bad decision... Info needed ASAP.. purchasing....today or tomorrow From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 07:54:19 2000 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:54:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Kawi Owners Someone on my GPz list just sent me a link to great site for Kawasaki Bikes. They basically have the parts microfiche on-line at http://www.buykawasaki.com/site/home/ -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 08:38:03 2000 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:37:49 -0400 Subject: Re: your opinion Content-Disposition: inline Collin gave us his usual dose of valuable insight, saying in part... >SV650... probably the best bike for the buck right now from all I've >heard seen... > >I am sure I am forgetting several very good choices out there.... Since Collin nominated the SV as "best bike for the buck," what about a nice 750 Monster Dark? Seems to be a pretty good bargain in a [current production ;)] street bike, if you care about performance. If I was looking at new bikes, a 750 Monster Dark would be on top of my list. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '65 Norton Atlas cafe racer [soon to be Triton] project http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 08:58:34 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: your opinion Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:58:35 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 8:37 AM Subject: Re: your opinion snip... > > Since Collin nominated the SV as "best bike for the buck," what about a > nice 750 Monster Dark? Seems to be a pretty good bargain in a [current > production ;)] street bike, if you care about performance. If I was > looking at new bikes, a 750 Monster Dark would be on top of my list. > > > Rich Too much in maintenance, time and cost . Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 09:16:45 2000 From: "Burger, Donald" To: DC Cycles Subject: Bike shop close to a metro station? Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:16:04 -0400 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Can anyone give me an answer to this: Is there a bike shop here in/around DC that is close to a metro station? I snapped my clutch cable this AM on the way into work and will have a might hard time getting home unless I get it replaced. Kirk to answer your upcoming question, no its not the spare cable. I took that out of the tank bag a couple of weeks ago when I lubed it and made sure it still worked. Then I forgot to put it back in the bag, duh!!! 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M1$1#5$A!5$E30TQ/4T543T%-15123U-4051)3TX_25-.05!0141-64-,```` M``(!?P`!````1@```#Q&0CE".34T,#@T.$)$,C$Q0C$P.#`P03!#.44Y-3 To: "Robert Beatty" , Subject: Re: Bikes Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:18:42 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > The new Honda 929 is being compared against the new Kawa 9R. People are saying that the Honda is a better and lighter bike. I have found that it's only 24lbs. > > With this being the first year for the 929 I'm a little skeptical about purchasing, with long run complications. > > Has anyone compared these two or have the 929? Kawa is the leader in cycles, to me, and to stray to a new street bike might be a bad decision... > > Info needed ASAP.. purchasing....today or tomorrow > Robert, I bought a 929 last week and it is truly an awesome ride. I've owned numerous bikes with my most recent being a VFR800 and VTR1000 and the 929 really outclasses both of them. I have some riding impressions that I posted to the VTR list if you're interested. The ZX-9R is probably an incredible bike as well so I doubt you'll be disappointed either way. I went with the 929 because I'm a Honda guy deep down and love the way they build street bikes. Dennis From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 09:22:29 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'John C. Kozyn'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: police chases, P.G. county ups the ante. Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:22:28 -0400 BZZZT! Nope. It's "misspelled." Chris "pedant first class" Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: John C. Kozyn [SMTP:jckozyn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 9:53 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: RE: police chases, P.G. county ups the ante. > > p.s. It's rather ironic that you misspelled the word "imbecile." ;^) > > I think it's even more ironic that you mispelled "misspelled" ;) > > BTW, how do you spell pedantry? > > JK > 95 VFR > D-mode From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 09:40:23 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Uninitiated comments on riding street/track.. Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:40:13 -0400 I have to echo Brian's comments, however I will offer a warning. Brian's totally correct when he says that one day on the track will make you see street riding as overly tame when done with any common sense. I took a track day last year, after which I talked the newsgroup's collective ear off about how fun it was and how much it improved my riding skills. That's just one day I spent on the track. As fast as you've EVER gone around a corner in your life, you'll go faster and lean harder on your first track session. This is my WARNING: if you ride on the track, you may lose a lot of your enthusiasm for riding on the street. Now that I haven't done a track day in while it's coming back to me, but it really bummed me out for a while. I just didn't find riding on the street at less-than-suicidal pace interesting anymore, and I don't kid myself thinking that I was some super-fast rider on the track either. I'm not pulling your leg here - it's a risk. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:v4mofo@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 4:19 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Uninitiated comments on riding street/track.. > > daniel_ex250@XXXXXX said the following: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I have no doubt racing is fun, exciting, addicting... but I was > talking about riding every day.. So I was assuming the tracks would > be empty therefor it would be kind of boring. > > Atleast on the street you could go see new sights, meet new people. > Maybe if I was foggy I'd be okay with driving a high performance car > on the street.. but since i can't afford one.. a motorcycle is it for > me :) Until i'm rich, I'll be riding on the street :) > > Daniel > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Daniel.. really, Collin's not lying or even attempting to pull your leg. > Look at the racing commitment on this list nowadays.. Collin, Myself, > Jeff > Ozman, Jay St. Peter, Joe Nagy, Brian Roach, Jon Broga, Randy Moran, Brad > Faas, Danny, etc.. (I know there are more I'm missing - sorry guys). 3 > years ago when I first joined DC-Cycles, noone was talking about racing > (except me - when I'd do a write-up of my weekend spent up there > cornerworking). > > It's anything BUT boring. All of a sudden, you get the opportunity to > focus > on what YOU can get the BIKE to do. No concentration is wasted on the > trees, dumb-ass cage drivers, cops, etc... You mention meeting new people > as a reason for riding the street - I tell you I've met MORE quality > people > who I want to know for the rest of my life at the racetrack than anywhere > else .. not to mention driving to new tracks, seeing the sights > along the way, etc.. It's a direct replacement for high-energy street > riding... but it's not a complete replacement. You'll notice that of all > the racers I mentioned above, only 1 or 2 don't ride on the street > currently.. and they probably don't due to time restraints (or monetary > restrictions.) > > I second Collin's thoughts... > > "Obviously coming from someone who has never been on a track in the heat > of competition.!! ;-) > SEriously though, if you are an adrenaleine (sp?) junky, which you > sound like, once you've been out on the track, street riding will just > never be the same...Since I've started racing, I keep buying smaller > and smaller street bikes with less power... keeps the street riding > interesting..." > > There's NO way to compare anything you can do on the street with racing on > the track. *grin* and as for the buying smaller and smaller bikes for the > street.. I have 2 YSR50's now.. :P 50cc's of Pure meanness.. wheelies, > stoppies, knee dragging - all to easily done with even such a small bike. > Bah, but my main bike is still an 87 VFR750 (*ahem* - BLUE! thank you very > much you VFR hating mongers).. and when I go out and run with the guys on > '00 GSXR600's and 99' R1's - I'm NOT being left behind at all. *grin* > I'm > to the point where I want more of a challenge on the street.. something > different to make riding fun again.. I think I'm going to buy a Harley > when > I graduate MMI just for a change of pace.. Ok, ok.. it'll be a Sporster > and I'm going to make it look either like a roadracer/cafe bike or a > dirt-tracker.. but oh, what fun to go humiliate guys on $11k sportbikes > with a $7k Harley.. heheee... > > Ok, enough rambling. Daniel - GET ON THE RACETRACK.. you'll come away > from > just 1 day on the track with GOBS more ability and confidence in your > bike. > And, as Collin mentioned, multiply it by about 20 and you'll begin to get > the understanding of why racing's so addictive (even for a big, slow guy > like me)... > > Cheers, > > Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 09:57:21 2000 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Uninitiated comments on riding street/track.. Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:01:28 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Chris, I did one track day and had the same realization that riding on the street suddenly became really boring. I HAD to do it more than the available once or twice a year of track days. Racing ups the ante another notch. I've been trying to come up with a way to race this year. New house and kid have sucked up the racing budget. Street bike may have to go. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 09:58:15 2000 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:01:50 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Accept-Language: en To: "Burger, Donald" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike shop close to a metro station? Don, The only place I can think of that's even remotely close to a metro station is Cycle Sport in Springfield (also a highly recommended shop by many on this list). I know it's not right next to the metro, but it's probably only a mile or so away. Cheers, Chuck "Burger, Donald" wrote: > > Can anyone give me an answer to this: > > Is there a bike shop here in/around DC that is close to a metro station? > > I snapped my clutch cable this AM on the way into work and will have a might > hard time getting home unless I get it replaced. > > Kirk to answer your upcoming question, no its not the spare cable. I took > that out of the tank bag a couple of weeks ago when I lubed it and made sure > it still worked. Then I forgot to put it back in the bag, duh!!! > > Don B > > Name: winmail.dat > winmail.dat Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > Encoding: x-uuencode From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 10:09:08 2000 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:09:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: VFR for sale To: "D.C. Cycles" --- Danny Thompson wrote: > I am selling my '99 VFR. It has 13,500 miles, is in > excellent shape. Never > down with lots of extras including Micron high right > aluminum oval slip-on, > Givi Traffic top case and rack, "taillocker", full > LP tank cover, Pro-Tour > grips, custom hubcaps (2 - 1 billet aluminum, 1 > powdercoated black), new > (1300 miles) BT 56 SS tires, 1- 55/65 blue tint > front light for visibility, > complete service records and receipts, extended > warrenty (4 more years), > meticulously maintained. Asking $7900.00. This actually sounds like a killer deal for anyone wanting the best all-around bike on the market. Price sounds negotiable too. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 10:13:50 2000 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:13:14 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "Concours Owners Group" Subject: Gas station profits Sort of off-topic, but can anyone hazard a guess as to how much profit a typical gas station makes per gallon of gas it sells? 10 cents a gallon? 20 cents? More? Less? Thanks for the use of bandwidth. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 10:15:32 2000 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:15:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > Tom, > > What do you consider low mileage? Less than > 5k/year? Just curious. I buy my bikes with less than 5k miles....no yearly average calculation. The DC area is full of sellers who never rode their bikes at all. Buy in the winter and you make out like a bandit. I paid $7900 for my '98 in Feb. '99; the previous owner had already dumped $1500 in upgrades into it; it had less than 3k miles on it....'98 RRs are still selling for $8500 around here NOW. > To: Troutman > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: New vs Used (re: high miles) > > I said that was a major concern when looking to buy. > I never said ALL low mileage bikes were....shit, > dude, > I buy a used, low-mileage bike every 1-2 years. > -- > tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 10:23:10 2000 Date: 5 Apr 00 10:23:06 EDT From: Linda Tanner To: Subject: Bike shop close to a metro station? X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e35ENE925421 You can ride it without the clutch. I had my cable break last year on the way to a doctor's appointment in the district. I rode it to the drs office and then home during rush hour. Shifting without the clutch is no big deal. Down shifting is a little tricky. The only real problem was stopping as I could never find neutral. It would choke stall and I would restart it in gear. A little jumpy, but doable. Hell, if I can do it, it can't be that hard. LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 10:37:20 2000 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: Bikes For Sale Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:41:30 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I am selling the following bikes: '95 ZX9R - Burgundy, all stock - it is a sweet bike. I broke it in properly and did the maintenance at shorter intervals than the manual calls for. Mostly because longer trips came around 1K short of maintenance intervals. I did most maintenance myself. The 3 valve adjustments were done by local shops. It has never been down other than a freshly paved parking lot where the sidestand sunk in. There are some small scratches not even visible from more than a couple of feet. For the truly anal (such as myself) my *&^$%ing rear stand also put some scratches in paint of the swingarm. It has 17K miles, mostly commuting from Falls Church to Leesburg on the greenway. Asking $6500. '93 CBR600 F2 - Race bike. Ugly but reliable and fairly fast. Not street legal, has spare bodywork and levers and such. Newish clutch and battery. Currently winterized, but could be ready to race this weekend if you wanted. Has all the racing stuff, fox shock, braided brakes, clip ons, '94 front end with race-tech valves, rear-set adapters, racing bodywork (ugly). Setup for production. Can't get racing much cheaper than this $1800. My reason for selling both is that I want to get a street legal 600 that I can race some during the season, and use as a street bike. I bought a new house and had a baby over the winter, so my budget won't permit two bikes + some racing. I would really like to keep the ZX9R, but my racing addiction needs to be fed. Once I sell these, I will be looking for a late-model 600cc sportbike. Road rash is acceptable, but must have all street parts. If anyone knows of a titled F2 frame with most of the necessary street parts (lights/fan/controls/wiring harness), can be missing front end and motor, let me know. Getting my F2 on the road would be an acceptable option. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 10:41:22 2000 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: New TT600 review Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:40:38 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Nice ride report on the new Triumph TT600 from a European magazine. Looks like they're giving the big four a run for their money. http://www.motorcycleworld.co.uk/bikes/bikes.asp?page=Sports&testid=289&pare nt=289 Cedric 96 CBR600F3 From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 10:44:44 2000 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:44:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Uninitiated comments on riding street/track.. Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Weaver, Chris_(MD) wrote: > As fast as you've EVER gone around a corner in your life, you'll go > faster and lean harder on your first track session. Maybe, I actually rode more conservatively through the corners on the track than I have on the street. I really don't think I was riding suicidally on the street either. I also don't think the track is the only place to stress your skills. For instance, you can ride a dirt bike hard in relative safety. Dirt riding allows you to do casual rides and "flower watching" as well. I had a pretty good time going slowly in the dirt this past weekend. Even that was physically taxing... :) > This is my WARNING: if you ride on the track, you may lose a lot of > your enthusiasm for riding on the street. This was true for me after getting back into dirt bikes but not true for me after getting on the track. Sunday will be another race for me at Budds Creek. This woods race will also include the MX track (the humour of seeing all the trail guys on the track ought to be worth the price of admission) and the dirt stock car track next door. Entering the race is only like $20... Strangely enough, I don't feel one bit jealous of the road racing guys. :) Different strokes for different folks. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 10:45:49 2000 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:45:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: saturday ride To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > Since I've started racing, I keep buying smaller > and smaller street bikes with less power... keeps > the street riding interesting... Hmmm....very interesting. I don't happen to agree with you though. I will say that a lighter, more agile bike is the way to go---the thing is, though, they make them in the 750-900cc range. Currently, this group of sportbikes are actually lighter/quicker/faster than the 600s. You're saying you REALLY don't wish that you also had a gixer for the street? Come on. > I honestly think riding on the street now with a 600 > sportbike or bigger would thoroughly bore me....To > get even a partial thrill out of what the bike is > capable of, I'd be going waaaaaaaaaay faster than is > reasonable, prudent, and even remotley safe for the > street.....I am pushing it with the bandit 400... There's more to riding on the street than pushing your bike to its limits in the mountain twisties. Most of us also do A LOT of commuting....something I wouldn't bother to do on a smaller motorcycle that was buzzing the shit out of my limbs at 90mph. As far as pushing a bike to its capabilities on the street, I'd rather have some margin of error at the extreme end...more lean angle/more power/more braking capability/more whatever in case of your emergency situations. I know you're just relating your personal preference, but it don't make much sense on this end. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 10:46:21 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:45:00 EDT Subject: Re: your opinion To: dthompso1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/5/00 9:07:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dthompso1@XXXXXX writes: > Too much in maintenance, time and cost . Huh? What time and maintenance? About the only thing I have to do to my Duc is change the oil. Ok.. you *do* have to check the valves every 6k miles, but this is not exactly rocket science. You need to check the valves on race bikes about once a month. As for cost... I've found it no more expensive to own than any other bike, except for the initial purchase price, which wasn't that inflated (IMHO) for the quality of bike you're getting (not to mention the "I can find mine in a parking lot" factor). Oh, I also tend to check the bolts that hold the plastic on every once and a while... it tends to try and shake them loose :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 10:52:28 2000 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:50:09 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Accept-Language: en CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Uninitiated comments on riding street/track.. I agree with Chris. I've also found, like Collin and others, that riding smaller and smaller bikes on the street really helps me recapture some of the original joy of my early years on a motorcycle. I've found it a truism that any vehicle can be fun as long as it's ridden/driven past it's comfort level. In this context, the problem with many of today's sport bikes is that the limits are so far beyond what is even remotely safe on the street. The speeds at which one has begin to find those limits are enough to make any mistakes life altering. This is not to say that all of the joy of motorcycling is wrapped up riding on the edge, but, as Chris indicated, one day on the track will tend to reset the redline on your Fun-o-meter, and the street will suddenly seem a lot different than when you were on it last. On a related note: I have an '89 ZX-7 that I can not afford to race this year. I don't want to sell it, but I'd like to see it out on the track where it belongs. It is safety wired, and I have all of the necessary bits to make it raceworthy (I raced it last year, but then reconverted it to a streeter when I bought my SV). I am looking for someone on this list who is interested in doing some racing. I will loan you the bike, gratis. All you have to do is pay your way (entry fees, supplies, etc.), and give the bike back to me at the end of the season. I'll help you out with technical knowledge, racing experience, and anything else, as long as you race WERA (because that's where I'll be this summer). The bike is WERA Vintage 6 legal, and you can also race with the modern heavyweight bikes if you like. If you are interested give me a holler. Randy Moran "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: > ...This is my WARNING: if you ride on the track, you may lose a lot of your > enthusiasm for riding on the street. Now that I haven't done a track day in > while it's coming back to me, but it really bummed me out for a while. I > just didn't find riding on the street at less-than-suicidal pace interesting > anymore, and I don't kid myself thinking that I was some super-fast rider on > the track either. I'm not pulling your leg here - it's a risk. From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 10:53:30 2000 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:53:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mehran Subject: New Gadget for Towing Bikes !!! To: "D.C. Cycles" I read this article in the May issue of Cycle World magazine about a new way to haul your bike with out a pickup truck or trailer. Finally, someone came up with a brilliant idea. Check out the link below: www.mototote.com I can't wait to get one. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 10:55:00 2000 From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:54:44 EDT Subject: Re: Bike shop close to a metro station? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/5/2000 10:09:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: << The only place I can think of that's even remotely close to a metro station is Cycle Sport in Springfield (also a highly recommended shop by many on this list). I know it's not right next to the metro, but it's probably only a mile or so away. >> The falls church Coleman PS is near the East Falls Church metro station. Just take a cab for a minute from there. Its even close enough to walk in about 15 mins From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 11:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:05:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: New Gadget for Towing Bikes !!! Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Mehran wrote: > I read this article in the May issue of Cycle World > magazine about a new way to haul your bike with out a > pickup truck or trailer. Finally, someone came up with > a brilliant idea. Check out the link below: > > www.mototote.com This is not a new idea. There are a lot of problems with 'em. For one, your vehicle must minimally accept a class 3 hitch. Next, even a light bike will lever weight off the front end of your car and will significantly affect handling. Stick a street bike on one of these and I'd wager that most cars are going to become unroadworthy. They are in no way as secure as putting your bike in a truck or a trailer. I might trust an old junker in one but not a good bike. Seeing your pride and joy bouncing down the road behind you would be no fun... Finally, the total setup will cost you the same or more than buying a small trailer and lower class hitch (a setup which would turn a Honda Civic into a bike hauler). Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 11:05:44 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:05:30 EDT Subject: Re: saturday ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/5/00 10:48:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > As far as pushing a bike to its capabilities on the > street, I'd rather have some margin of error at the > extreme end...more lean angle/more power/more braking > capability/more whatever in case of your emergency > situations. I know you're just relating your personal > preference, but it don't make much sense on this end. Then except for the power part, you want a smaller, lightweight bike. They brake harder and corner faster (with more lean angle) than the larger ones. The only reason to want a 750cc - 900cc sportbike is "stoplight racing" where the increased torque comes into play, and your aforementioned dislike of vibration at high speeds. Of course, the likelyhood of spinning up the rear wheel in a panic situtaion is also drastically increased. The line *is* getting blurred with the release of these sub 400 pound (dry) 750 and liter class bikes... but they still don't have the cornering capacity of their smaller siblings. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 11:12:44 2000 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:12:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Re: Fast Bikes, Slow Bikes Riding a slow bike fast is better than riding a fast bike slow. At least, I think that is true... My experience- riding a friend's 600 dualsport (w/ sticky road tires) on some twisties in PA directly after riding my sportbike there revealed roughly the same speeds (too many blind hills, gravel, etc to use much speed) but a much larger grin factor for the underpowered single that I was caning the living shit out of. Ned Suesse From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 11:16:15 2000 From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:15:59 EDT Subject: Re: Gas station profits To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/5/2000 10:18:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: << Sort of off-topic, but can anyone hazard a guess as to how much profit a typical gas station makes per gallon of gas it sells? 10 cents a gallon? 20 cents? More? Less? >> My co-worker and I were talking about this topic an hour ago. His wife works for Exxon-Mobil HQ. Mobil did a study a little while ago...the study found that a gas station makes more off a cup of coffee than off an entire tank of gas. They only profit about 3 - 4 cents per gallon. -Matt Martinez Superhawk From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 11:20:59 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:20:13 EDT Subject: Re: Uninitiated comments on riding street/track.. To: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 4/5/00 10:48:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: > Maybe, I actually rode more conservatively through the corners on the > track than I have on the street. Kirk, This is a flame or insult in any way, but riding your street bike in a school or track day is not what McCoy was talking about. The times I did that before I started racing, I had much the same feeling as you. (But it did start the ball rolling to get more involved with racing, because I could see the possibilities) Once you start racing... then you find out what he's talking about. Going into the braking zone for turn one at Summit at 140mph, hard on the brakes with the rear dancing about, coming down 4 gears, and pitching it in is an experience that words cannot hope to describe. As for riding on the dirt - I agree with you 100%. It is another arena where you are able to push the envelope and get that same sort of experience. Just last weekend when I went out to Tasker's Gap with you I had the same sort of feeling I have out on the track, I pushed my ability (not the bike's, in ANY way ::grin::) and had a blast!! Sorry you had to stop and wait for us so much :) I think the reason you were cautious on the track day was the same as mine when I was doing them - you had no interest in hurting your street ride, and had little experience to go on to know what your bike could do. Rule one of racing is to never take anything to the track that you're not prepared to take home in pieces, so this is a very understandable thing. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 11:43:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35Fh2926982 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailserver1.crosslink.net (yeti.crosslink.net [206.246.124.17]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id LAA07030 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:43:00 -0400 X-Really-To: Received: from [128.38.92.19] (account ) by mailserver1.crosslink.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1) with HTTP id 9237777 for ; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:42:58 -0400 From: biga@XXXXXX (Real Name) Subject: Re: Gas station profits To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:42:58 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <29.356ccf7.261cb2af@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A special case but, on Saturday, the Chevron station on Skyline Drive near the southern end was asking $2.41/gal for regular and $4.11/gal for premium. Andrew > In a message dated 4/5/2000 10:18:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > horkster@XXXXXX writes: > > << Sort of off-topic, but can anyone hazard a guess as to > how much profit a typical gas station makes per gallon > of gas it sells? 10 cents a gallon? 20 cents? More? > Less? >> > From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 11:56:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35FuW927171 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:56:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200004051156.AA74384298@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: your opinion X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:45:00 EDT >About the only thing I have to do to my Duc is change the oil. >Ok.. you *do* have to check the valves every 6k miles, but this is >not exactly rocket science. You need to check the valves on race bikes >about once a month. I heard that adjusting the desmo valves on a Duc is a motor-out job? How hard is it to do the valve adjust yourself? Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 11:59:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3605.mail.yahoo.com (web3605.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.109]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e35Fx7927245 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000405160138.1758.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.5] by web3605.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:01:38 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:01:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: your opinion To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dthompso1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Or I can't find mine in the parking lot factor because it got ripped off. That's definitely one of the downsides to having a more unique bike is thieves like them more. --- BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > the quality of bike you're getting (not to mention > the "I can find mine in a > parking lot" factor). > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 11:59:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35Fxw927255 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA26547 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:59:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Uninitiated comments on riding street/track.. In-Reply-To: <45.2230b3d.261cb3ad@aol.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > This is a flame or insult in any way, but riding your street bike in a > school or track day is not what McCoy was talking about. Sure, but I was responding to Chris more than Brian... > Going into the braking zone for turn one at Summit at 140mph, hard on > the brakes with the rear dancing about, coming down 4 gears, and > pitching it in is an experience that words cannot hope to describe. I can see that... You've got to get some more practice in the dirt. Then, you'll get to where you're flying towards a tree, hard on the brakes with the rear dancing about, pitch it in, full throttle into a berm, and start dragging a peg. Wait, but the pegs on my dirtbike are over a foot off the ground and more narrowly set than anything but a GP bike. Hmmm... Then, you realize your were only going 25 mph before you got on the brakes... Life is different when the trees are 3' apart or less. :) > Sorry you had to stop and wait for us so much :) I'll survive. > I think the reason you were cautious on the track day was the same as > mine when I was doing them - you had no interest in hurting your > street ride Sure. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 12:07:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35G74927423 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:07:01 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 16:07:00 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:06:52 -0400 Message-Id: <38EB6448.B4E0029D@trw.com> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:05:31 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Free Race Bike Loaner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was part of another post of mine. Please forgive the reposting but I know some people don't read to the end of long posts. Ever thought about going racing? I have an '89 ZX-7 that I can not afford to race this year. I don't want to sell it, but I'd like to see it out on the track where it belongs. It is safety wired, and I have all of the necessary bits to make it raceworthy (I raced it last year, but then reconverted it to a streeter when I bought my SV). I am looking for someone on this list who is interested in doing some racing. I will loan you the bike, gratis. All you have to do is pay your way (entry fees, supplies, etc.), and give the bike back to me at the end of the season. I'll help you out with technical knowledge, racing experience, and any other reasonable requests, as long as you race WERA (because that's where I'll be this summer). The bike is WERA Vintage 6 legal, and you can also race with the modern heavyweight bikes if you like. If you're interested give me a holler. Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 12:11:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35GB4927440 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EmergeOut@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.26.3e8f275 (4259) for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:10:54 -0400 (EDT) From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Message-ID: <26.3e8f275.261cbf8e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:10:54 EDT Subject: Which is better? Honda CBR 600F4 vs. Triumph TT600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 I need your opinion...What do you think is better....the Honda CBR600F4 or the new Triumph TT600...Does anyone know the cost of the Triump TT600. I am looking to get a new bike and am having a hard time deciding after the reviews of the Trumph. Don't get me wrong I love the Honda and always will love Hondas, However, I think it'sime for change. What is your opinion. Brian Banks Honda man thinking of change! From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 12:13:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35GDF927514 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2DM2SLQ3>; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:13:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dysart@XXXXXX'" , BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dthompso1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: your opinion Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:13:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I thought it was usually the reverse. Uncommon bikes are harder to sell for parts because fewer people need them and more noticeable if sold or ridden on the street. I seem to recall hearing that in the U.K., the most commonly stolen bike was a late-model CBR600. Of course, there are more of them on the road too, so that statistic may not be so useful here. Chris Weaver p.s. I've stopped worrying so much about getting my bike stolen. It's insured, and I'll just get another one if that happens. > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Dysart [SMTP:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 12:02 PM > To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX; dthompso1@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: your opinion > > Or I can't find mine in the parking lot factor because > it got ripped off. That's definitely one of the > downsides to having a more unique bike is thieves like > them more. > > --- BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > > the quality of bike you're getting (not to mention > > the "I can find mine in a > > parking lot" factor). > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 13:03:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35H3J928388 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-205-81.s81.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.205.81]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12ctD6-0003sc-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:03:21 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Subject: Re: Bike shop close to a metro station? Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:05:46 GMT Message-ID: <38eb9c8b.484727668@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000405142306.13291.qmail@aw163.netaddress.usa.net> In-Reply-To: <20000405142306.13291.qmail@aw163.netaddress.usa.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e35H3X928389 and you can turn the idle up to help guard against stalling. On 5 Apr 00 10:23:06 EDT, you wrote: |>You can ride it without the clutch. I had my cable break last year on the way |>to a doctor's appointment in the district. I rode it to the drs office and |>then home during rush hour. Shifting without the clutch is no big deal. Down |>shifting is a little tricky. The only real problem was stopping as I could |>never find neutral. It would choke stall and I would restart it in gear. A |>little jumpy, but doable. |> |>Hell, if I can do it, it can't be that hard. |> |> |> |>LindaT. |>Springfield, VA, USA |>99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy |>95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting) |>00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) |>http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ |> |>____________________________________________________________________ |>Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 13:30:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35HUm928877 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:30:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200004051330.AA12977060@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: Which is better? Honda CBR 600F4 vs. Triumph TT600 X-Mailer: I once heard a wise man (ok, so maybe he was just a wiseguy) tell a fellow biker in your quandary "Ride both, then buy the one you keep dreaming about." >From what I've heard, either one is a pretty good bike. It's just a damn shame they have chain drive. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 13:32:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35HW4928887 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-205-81.s81.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.205.81]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12ctew-0001FQ-00; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:32:06 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Which is better? Honda CBR 600F4 vs. Triumph TT600 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:34:32 GMT Message-ID: <38eca091.485757683@smtp.erols.com> References: <26.3e8f275.261cbf8e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <26.3e8f275.261cbf8e@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e35HW5928888 I would get the F4. Any difference in price I would apply to buying some awesome looking leathers, custom painting of the helmet, and either polishing or chroming the rims/frame. You'll get more admiration having a pretty bike than a different bike, i think. From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 13:40:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35HeK929011 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-205-81.s81.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.205.81]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12ctmw-0002xW-00; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:40:22 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Lordorange@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gas station profits Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:42:48 GMT Message-ID: <38eda3b5.486561883@smtp.erols.com> References: <29.356ccf7.261cb2af@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <29.356ccf7.261cb2af@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e35HeX929012 I find that hard to believe. Of course if I were exon, I woudln't want the public to know how much i really paid for the product, and i'd say something just like you said On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:15:59 EDT, you wrote: |>In a message dated 4/5/2000 10:18:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, |>horkster@XXXXXX writes: |> |><< Sort of off-topic, but can anyone hazard a guess as to |> how much profit a typical gas station makes per gallon |> of gas it sells? 10 cents a gallon? 20 cents? More? |> Less? >> |> |>My co-worker and I were talking about this topic an hour ago. His wife works |>for Exxon-Mobil HQ. Mobil did a study a little while ago...the study found |>that a gas station makes more off a cup of coffee than off an entire tank of |>gas. They only profit about 3 - 4 cents per gallon. |> |>-Matt Martinez |>Superhawk From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 13:56:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web308.mail.yahoo.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e35Hu5929239 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12012 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2000 17:56:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000405175602.12011.qmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.35.44] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:56:02 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:56:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: saturday ride To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: Currently, > this group of sportbikes are actually > lighter/quicker/faster than the 600s. You're saying > you REALLY don't wish that you also had a gixer for > the street? Come on. > Actually, that's exactly what I am saying... I have no desire for a 600+cc bike for backroad carving...those new and big bikes are extremely capable like you say... however, with my old 750 I found that to make all the back roads that I like "fun", my speeds and lean angles kept increasing more and more. The Bandit that I have now still goes a bit too well sometimes ;-) I have other reasons for liking the smaller bikes too..insurance is a big one...heck of a lot cheaper on the bandit than a liter bike... > There's more to riding on the street than pushing your > bike to its limits in the mountain twisties. Most of > us also do A LOT of commuting....something I wouldn't > bother to do on a smaller motorcycle that was buzzing > the shit out of my limbs at 90mph. > I agree fully... that's why I have multiple bikes ;-) The Maxim is only a 45(maybe) horsepower 650, but it is more of a standard/cruiser.... It was great for commuting daily when I lived back ya'lls way...I also did it on my old GSXR750 before that...it just seemed like a waste of a sportbike to be daily commuting on it...(but it still beats a cage or metro)...the commuting on that bike was good only in the sense that it let me get about 2k miles out of my tires... hehehe if I only backroad carved on that bike (talking D204's here) I doubt I would have gotten 1k out of em :) Also having the spare POS bike keeps me from racking up mileage on my nice bike...I believe Craig had similar thinking when picking up the VF500... > As far as pushing a bike to its capabilities on the > street, I'd rather have some margin of error at the > extreme end...more lean angle/more power/more braking > capability/more whatever in case of your emergency > situations. I know you're just relating your personal > preference, but it don't make much sense on this end. > I do my best to keep a margin for errors too.. admittedly I can get carried away on a few choice roads like 211, 33, 250...My point was that on a big bike, riding around 6 or 7 tenths of capability/saftety margin, leads to insane corner speeds. On my smaller bike, I can get the same thrill at lower speeds and similar riding level for bike. Hard to put into words, and I am out of time (in a computer lab right now ;-)) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 13:57:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web506.mail.yahoo.com (web506.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e35Hvk929323 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4648 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2000 17:57:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000405175743.4647.qmail@web506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.191] by web506.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:57:43 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:57:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: saturday ride To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 4/5/00 10:48:36 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > As far as pushing a bike to its capabilities on the street, I'd rather have some margin of error at the extreme end...more lean angle/more power/more braking capability/more whatever in case of your emergency situations. I know you're just relating your personal preference, but it don't make much sense on this end. < < > Then except for the power part, you want a smaller, > lightweight bike. They brake harder and corner > faster (with more lean angle) than the larger ones. Today's 750-900cc sportbikes are lighter than their 600cc counterparts, so your braking point is incorrect (that is, until the 600cc class starts really trimming weight like the liter class has). Greater lean angles are possible on the slimmer bikes, but not if hard parts touch down earlier. Collin mentioned his Maxim....like that thang can achieve greater lean angles than my RR. Please.....take everything in the context you find it. > The only reason to want a 750cc - 900cc sportbike is > "stoplight racing" where the increased torque comes > into play, and your aforementioned dislike of > vibration at high speeds. Of course, the likelyhood > of spinning up the rear wheel in a panic situtaion > is also drastically increased. Stoplight racing is the only reason, eh? Torque can get you out of a shitload of trouble as well....especially in the everyday eb and flow of the dc caging community, which many of us choose to deal with. The vibration factor alone is enough to make me stay away from the smaller bikes....long trips that were relatively enjoyable become almost unbearable. > The line *is* getting blurred with the release of > these sub 400 pound (dry) > 750 and liter class bikes... but they still don't > have the cornering capacity > of their smaller siblings. The line has BEEN blurred for a few years now....and, yes, cornering capacity is better on a slimmer bike that has better clearance and proper tires. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 14:27:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35IRf929855 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 5 Apr 2000 14:26:35 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: Gas station profits Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:31:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal If you do the math 4 cents a gallon may be close to correct. Figure the following scenario at a crappy gas station 100 cars a day fill up avg 13 gallons per car open 6 days/week That is 7800 gallons per week or 405600 gallons per year at 4 cents a gallon = $162,240 profit. Pay workers $7/hr to man the pumps, 14 hrs. a day = ~ $31K/yr. Plus the loans on equipment buildings and the other bills and the owner can still make a little money. Add cigarette and lottery ticket sales into the equation and it may work out. My example is with no convenience store. Just the dude in the booth with cigs. It is still pretty tight compared to most retail sales. At most stores you pay at least 2x the price the store pays. But, most retail stores don't sell close to a half million units either. My example is probably a pretty slow station as well. Most gas stations are open over 14 hrs. a day and probably serve well over 10 cars/hour average. I certainly wouldn't want to own the station in my example, but my point is that 4 cents a gallon might be pretty close to correct. Plus or minus depending on the competing stations nearby and amount of traffic/hour. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 14:35:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f116.hotmail.com [209.185.131.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e35IZg900109 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23980 invoked by uid 0); 5 Apr 2000 18:35:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000405183518.23979.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:35:17 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, Lordorange@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gas station profits Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:35:17 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I worked for a small independent Shell station/grocery store in the early 1980's in NY. The profit on gas was less than 5 cents per gallon. The owner always said the gas paid for itself by attracting customers into the store. >I find that hard to believe. Of course if I were exon, I woudln't >want the public to know how much i really paid for the product, and >i'd say something just like you said > >On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:15:59 EDT, you wrote: > >|>In a message dated 4/5/2000 10:18:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >|>horkster@XXXXXX writes: >|> >|><< Sort of off-topic, but can anyone hazard a guess as to >|> how much profit a typical gas station makes per gallon >|> of gas it sells? 10 cents a gallon? 20 cents? More? >|> Less? >> >|> >|>My co-worker and I were talking about this topic an hour ago. His wife >works >|>for Exxon-Mobil HQ. Mobil did a study a little while ago...the study >found >|>that a gas station makes more off a cup of coffee than off an entire tank >of >|>gas. They only profit about 3 - 4 cents per gallon. >|> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 14:48:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f198.hotmail.com [209.185.130.108]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e35ImX900292 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94575 invoked by uid 0); 5 Apr 2000 18:48:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000405184825.94574.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:48:25 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Gadget for Towing Bikes !!! Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:48:25 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I would go even further. These are dangerous with any bike that weighs more than 300 lbs, unless you've got a BIG sport-UTE fully loaded with luggage and people -- to keep the front wheeels on the ground! I once saw a Cherokee's front wheels riding such that the front wheels were just barely touching the ground and this was just with one of those giant fish-coolers loaded on the back. It was funny to watch. Glad I didn't have to drive it! > >This is not a new idea. There are a lot of problems with 'em. For one, >your vehicle must minimally accept a class 3 hitch. Next, even a light >bike will lever weight off the front end of your car and will >significantly affect handling. Stick a street bike on one of these and I'd >wager that most cars are going to become unroadworthy. They are in no way >as secure as putting your bike in a truck or a trailer. I might trust an >old junker in one but not a good bike. Seeing your pride and joy bouncing >down the road behind you would be no fun... Finally, the total setup will >cost you the same or more than buying a small trailer and lower class >hitch (a setup which would turn a Honda Civic into a bike hauler). > >Kirk >2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) >1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 14:49:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e35Inw900302 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 5 Apr 2000 21:50:03 UT Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:47 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Jay St. Peter" , "daniel_ex250@XXXXXX" , "Lordorange@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Gas station profits Message-ID: <20000405144958700-28cb6511@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I used to run a Shell station for a friend back when I was in high school. The profit of $.04 per gallon is accurate (really accurate). When you take into consideration the money involved to keep the place running (insurance, taxes, labor, etc.), the profit is not much... unless you have service bays (a dying breed) or a food shop tossed in. Our money was made on shop labor not the pumps (we were not a stop shop store... just gas, oil, and garage... and one lonely soda machine). Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Gas station profits Author: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX (Jay St. Peter) Date: 04/05/2000 5:31 PM If you do the math 4 cents a gallon may be close to correct. Figure the following scenario at a crappy gas station 100 cars a day fill up avg 13 gallons per car open 6 days/week That is 7800 gallons per week or 405600 gallons per year at 4 cents a gallon = $162,240 profit. Pay workers $7/hr to man the pumps, 14 hrs. a day = ~ $31K/yr. Plus the loans on equipment buildings and the other bills and the owner can still make a little money. Add cigarette and lottery ticket sales into the equation and it may work out. My example is with no convenience store. Just the dude in the booth with cigs. It is still pretty tight compared to most retail sales. At most stores you pay at least 2x the price the store pays. But, most retail stores don't sell close to a half million units either. My example is probably a pretty slow station as well. Most gas stations are open over 14 hrs. a day and probably serve well over 10 cars/hour average. I certainly wouldn't want to own the station in my example, but my point is that 4 cents a gallon might be pretty close to correct. Plus or minus depending on the competing stations nearby and amount of traffic/hour. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 15:09:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.digizen.net ([216.22.32.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e35J9F900667 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004051909.e35J9F900667@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: (qmail 6783 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2000 19:06:06 -0000 Received: from ppp2-37.digizen.net (HELO palladio) (216.22.32.37) by mail.digizen.net with SMTP; 5 Apr 2000 19:06:06 -0000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: Cc: Subject: non-moto, Re: Gas station profits Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:06:38 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Jay St. Peter > To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX; Lordorange@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Gas station profits > Date: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 5:31 PM > > > If you do the math 4 cents a gallon may be close to correct. Figure the > following scenario at a crappy gas station > > 100 cars a day fill up > avg 13 gallons per car > open 6 days/week > > That is 7800 gallons per week > or 405600 gallons per year > > at 4 cents a gallon = $162,240 profit. Umm, factor of ten error; it's $16,224 > > Pay workers $7/hr to man the pumps, 14 hrs. a day = ~ $31K/yr. You have to figure FICA taxes of around 7%, for which the employer pays half, plus workmen's comp, unemployment, etc. Way more than $31K. I suspect many gas stations are like movie theaters. They don't make much selling tickets for movies, but make a killing on refreshments. > > Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 15:11:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from Draco.house.gov (draco.house.gov [143.231.86.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35JBS900680 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hrmims02.house.gov (hrmims02.house.gov [143.231.32.158]) by Draco.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA13017 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hrmims02.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:11:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re[2]: Gas station profits Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:11:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) I imagine the ability to "pay at the pump" is pretty good for profits too. Less staff and you can leave pumps open all the time. > ---------- > From: Tom Zell[SMTP:TZell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 2:47 PM > To: Jay St. Peter; daniel_ex250@XXXXXX; Lordorange@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re[2]: Gas station profits > > I used to run a Shell station for a friend back when I was in high school. > The > profit of $.04 per gallon is accurate (really accurate). > > When you take into consideration the money involved to keep the place > running > (insurance, taxes, labor, etc.), the profit is not much... unless you have > service bays (a dying breed) or a food shop tossed in. Our money was made > on > shop labor not the pumps (we were not a stop shop store... just gas, oil, > and > garage... and one lonely soda machine). > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: Re: Gas station profits > Author: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX (Jay St. Peter) > Date: 04/05/2000 5:31 PM > > If you do the math 4 cents a gallon may be close to correct. Figure the > following scenario at a crappy gas station > > 100 cars a day fill up > avg 13 gallons per car > open 6 days/week > > That is 7800 gallons per week > or 405600 gallons per year > > at 4 cents a gallon = $162,240 profit. > > Pay workers $7/hr to man the pumps, 14 hrs. a day = ~ $31K/yr. > > Plus the loans on equipment buildings and the other bills and the owner > can > still make a little money. Add cigarette and lottery ticket sales into > the > equation and it may work out. My example is with no convenience store. > Just the dude in the booth with cigs. > > It is still pretty tight compared to most retail sales. At most stores > you > pay at least 2x the price the store pays. But, most retail stores don't > sell close to a half million units either. My example is probably a > pretty > slow station as well. Most gas stations are open over 14 hrs. a day and > probably serve well over 10 cars/hour average. I certainly wouldn't want > to > own the station in my example, but my point is that 4 cents a gallon might > be pretty close to correct. Plus or minus depending on the competing > stations nearby and amount of traffic/hour. > > Jay St. Peter > From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 15:12:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35JCo900756 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([207.226.21.67]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA13069 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:12:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Re: Gas station profits Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Agreed that the margin is probably generally thin, but how does this relate to the differences in price within the same state/county? For example, Gas in northern montgomery county over the weekend was 1.49/1.59/1.69 for the different grades. At the same time, gas down here was 1.69-1.80 ish. Assuming that all taxes are equal (seems like they would have to be in a given county, although this could be wrong) then we have a $0.20 discrepancy. I can't imagine distribution costs account for that... Any ideas? My personal guess is that there is some level of monopsomy occurring, where there is not true competition. There may not be outright price fixing, but I could see a general creed among gas station owners of not undercutting too far in hopes of keeping a good gig for all. Ned New Business Plan: Bar.com- a brick and mortar bar that serves drinks at a huge loss. The books will look exactly like successful dot.coms... and we will all drink free!! >If you do the math 4 cents a gallon may be close to correct. Figure the >following scenario at a crappy gas station > >100 cars a day fill up >avg 13 gallons per car >open 6 days/week > >That is 7800 gallons per week >or 405600 gallons per year > >at 4 cents a gallon = $162,240 profit. > >Pay workers $7/hr to man the pumps, 14 hrs. a day = ~ $31K/yr. > >Plus the loans on equipment buildings and the other bills and the owner can >still make a little money. Add cigarette and lottery ticket sales into the >equation and it may work out. My example is with no convenience store. >Just the dude in the booth with cigs. > >It is still pretty tight compared to most retail sales. At most stores you >pay at least 2x the price the store pays. But, most retail stores don't >sell close to a half million units either. My example is probably a pretty >slow station as well. Most gas stations are open over 14 hrs. a day and >probably serve well over 10 cars/hour average. I certainly wouldn't want to >own the station in my example, but my point is that 4 cents a gallon might >be pretty close to correct. Plus or minus depending on the competing >stations nearby and amount of traffic/hour. > >Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 15:21:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35JLI900921 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.e2.2dc6a23 (6963) for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:21:06 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:21:05 EDT Subject: [non-moto] Re: Gas station profits To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 4/5/00 3:17:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nsuesse@XXXXXX writes: > My personal guess is that there is some level of monopsomy occurring, > where there is not true competition. There may not be outright price > fixing, but I could see a general creed among gas station owners of > not undercutting too far in hopes of keeping a good gig for all. Kinda like the exxon station at the intersection of rt123 and the GW parkway. It's the only gas station between the beltway and the parkway (A popular route for those of us that go against traffic to get home from the west). It's usually $.20 a gallon higher than anywhere else. Free market economy, baby! - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 15:29:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A216.pix.aol.com [152.163.162.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35JTQ901042 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gruntled.office.aol.com (gruntled.office.aol.com [10.4.136.237]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03303 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by gruntled.office.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-DTI62-02) with ESMTP id PAA26480 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:29:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: gruntled.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:29:09 -0400 From: Dave Paper X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gas station profits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Ned Suesse wrote: > Agreed that the margin is probably generally thin, but how does this > relate to the differences in price within the same state/county? Land ownership value/rental rates/leasing rates. Individual townships/cities may have additional taxes over and above state/federal. > > For example, Gas in northern montgomery county over the weekend was > 1.49/1.59/1.69 for the different grades. At the same time, gas down > here was 1.69-1.80 ish. Assuming that all taxes are equal (seems like > they would have to be in a given county, although this could be > wrong) then we have a $0.20 discrepancy. I can't imagine distribution > costs account for that... > > Any ideas? See above. I knew a gas station manager when I was younger in the mid montgomery county area, and he said 1-2 cents was his profit per gallon. > > My personal guess is that there is some level of monopsomy occurring, > where there is not true competition. There may not be outright price > fixing, but I could see a general creed among gas station owners of > not undercutting too far in hopes of keeping a good gig for all. > > Ned > > New Business Plan: Bar.com- a brick and mortar bar that serves drinks > at a huge loss. The books will look exactly like successful > dot.coms... and we will all drink free!! > > >If you do the math 4 cents a gallon may be close to correct. Figure the > >following scenario at a crappy gas station > > > >100 cars a day fill up > >avg 13 gallons per car > >open 6 days/week > > > >That is 7800 gallons per week > >or 405600 gallons per year > > > >at 4 cents a gallon = $162,240 profit. > > > >Pay workers $7/hr to man the pumps, 14 hrs. a day = ~ $31K/yr. > > > >Plus the loans on equipment buildings and the other bills and the owner can > >still make a little money. Add cigarette and lottery ticket sales into the > >equation and it may work out. My example is with no convenience store. > >Just the dude in the booth with cigs. > > > >It is still pretty tight compared to most retail sales. At most stores you > >pay at least 2x the price the store pays. But, most retail stores don't > >sell close to a half million units either. My example is probably a pretty > >slow station as well. Most gas stations are open over 14 hrs. a day and > >probably serve well over 10 cars/hour average. I certainly wouldn't want to > >own the station in my example, but my point is that 4 cents a gallon might > >be pretty close to correct. Plus or minus depending on the competing > >stations nearby and amount of traffic/hour. Definately. 10 cars/hour wouldn't keep most stations in business. Don't forget business income taxes (or whatever they are called), so take a big chunk off the top for that. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Database Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no accident "user" is a 4 letter word --KV From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 15:46:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35JkT901386 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <2FM9Y1BB>; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:44:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Gas station profits Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:44:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Paper [mailto:cerberus@XXXXXX] > > On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Ned Suesse wrote: > > > Agreed that the margin is probably generally thin, but how > does this > > relate to the differences in price within the same state/county? > > Land ownership value/rental rates/leasing rates. Individual > townships/cities may have additional taxes over and above > state/federal. Various companies also support price wars within specific boundaries. Last time we had the big price hike there was a huge price war in the Lake Ridge / Dale City area, and the prices were, what, thirty cents less than it was five miles away? My wife was talking to one of the dealers, and he said that Exxon was charging him less that much because of where he was. The paper also had an article about this one guy that was on the wrong side of the occoquan river, and was getting screwed because he didn't get a discount, but the competitor three hundred yards away, and over a bridge, did. It was the opposite of price collaboration. -Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 15:47:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35Jlk901396 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 5 Apr 2000 15:46:37 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "Tom Zell" , , Cc: Subject: RE: Re[2]: Gas station profits Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:51:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000405144958700-28cb6511@fanniemaefoundation.org> Yeah, I have a friend who left the engineering biz to buy some stations in GA. He now has 3 stations, his main one also has a convenience store. The others are just a high-school kid in a booth types. He insists on really busy intersection locations and makes about $40K/yr. profit on each of the two and 80K/yr from the convenience store one. Not bad, but he went a few years making very little to get to that point. He also has to work lots of hrs. per week. He says most of the stations with just a guy in a booth are owned by people who also own a station with a store or service bays. My friend has very little enthusiasm for the business. It seems like you should be able to make a killing as one of OPECs pushers, but really just a decent living. I didn't even mention the $100K cash he had to have to get started =8-O Jay -----Original Message----- From: Tom Zell [mailto:TZell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 11:47 AM To: Jay St. Peter; daniel_ex250@XXXXXX; Lordorange@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: Gas station profits I used to run a Shell station for a friend back when I was in high school. The profit of $.04 per gallon is accurate (really accurate). When you take into consideration the money involved to keep the place running (insurance, taxes, labor, etc.), the profit is not much... unless you have service bays (a dying breed) or a food shop tossed in. Our money was made on shop labor not the pumps (we were not a stop shop store... just gas, oil, and garage... and one lonely soda machine). Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Gas station profits Author: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX (Jay St. Peter) Date: 04/05/2000 5:31 PM If you do the math 4 cents a gallon may be close to correct. Figure the following scenario at a crappy gas station 100 cars a day fill up avg 13 gallons per car open 6 days/week That is 7800 gallons per week or 405600 gallons per year at 4 cents a gallon = $162,240 profit. Pay workers $7/hr to man the pumps, 14 hrs. a day = ~ $31K/yr. Plus the loans on equipment buildings and the other bills and the owner can still make a little money. Add cigarette and lottery ticket sales into the equation and it may work out. My example is with no convenience store. Just the dude in the booth with cigs. It is still pretty tight compared to most retail sales. At most stores you pay at least 2x the price the store pays. But, most retail stores don't sell close to a half million units either. My example is probably a pretty slow station as well. Most gas stations are open over 14 hrs. a day and probably serve well over 10 cars/hour average. I certainly wouldn't want to own the station in my example, but my point is that 4 cents a gallon might be pretty close to correct. Plus or minus depending on the competing stations nearby and amount of traffic/hour. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 16:00:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35K0d901657 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA16716 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:00:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: New Gadget for Towing Bikes !!! (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just forwarding on for Matt, who I think meant to send this to the whole list... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:59:12 -0400 From: Matthew Harrell To: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: New Gadget for Towing Bikes !!! : This is not a new idea. There are a lot of problems with 'em. For one, : your vehicle must minimally accept a class 3 hitch. Next, even a light : bike will lever weight off the front end of your car and will : significantly affect handling. Stick a street bike on one of these and I'd : wager that most cars are going to become unroadworthy. They are in no way : as secure as putting your bike in a truck or a trailer. I might trust an : old junker in one but not a good bike. Seeing your pride and joy bouncing : down the road behind you would be no fun... Finally, the total setup will : cost you the same or more than buying a small trailer and lower class : hitch (a setup which would turn a Honda Civic into a bike hauler). Along these lines, do you know about how much a decent trailer should cost? I need to get one sometime soon and it seems like a good time to ask. -- Matthew Harrell Another Month's End: Bit Twiddlers, Inc. All Targets Met mharrell@XXXXXX All Systems Working All Customers Satisfied All Staff Enthusiastic All Pigs Fed And Ready To Fly From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 16:49:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35KnU902375 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:49:35 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE3303126C@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: New Pennsylvania Road Course? Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:46:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain >From www.2wf.com How far is that from here? New Pennsylvania Road Course? On Thursday, April 6th, 7 PM there will be a zoning meeting in Pottsville, Pennsylvania for the final go ahead to begin construction of a 3-mile road course and motorsports park. The new track will be a 3-mile long road course, no less than 40 feet wide with motorcycle racing a top concern. Local riders within driving distance are being asked to consider attending the meeting to show support for the new track. The meeting will take place at the Pottsville Court House. The track and Pottsville are located approximately 45 Miles north of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, just off Interstate 81. Take the Frackville/Pottsville exit (#36) and head south to Pottsville on Route 61. Anyone interested is encouraged to contact Todd Fenton by email Fentjc@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 16:52:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35KqH902464 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id r.69.3403188 (7543); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:48:35 -0400 (EDT) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <69.3403188.261d00a3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:48:35 EDT Subject: Re: New Gadget for Towing Bikes !!! To: mehran7@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 In a message dated 4/5/00 11:00:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mehran7@XXXXXX writes: > magazine about a new way to haul your bike with out a > www.mototote.com Here's a similar one, but the rack tilts so you don't have to put a ramp to it. http://tiltarack.com/motorcycle.html Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 18:32:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e35MWF904129 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28439 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2000 22:31:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20000405223105.28435.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 15:31:05 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:31:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: your opinion To: dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > Or I can't find mine in the parking lot factor > because > it got ripped off. That's definitely one of the > downsides to having a more unique bike is thieves > like > them more. Not in all cases. :-) Leon unique bike that hasn't been ripped off (it only looks like it was.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 19:18:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35NIu904929 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id u.3e.23a2634 (1335); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:18:41 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3e.23a2634.261d23d0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:18:40 EDT Subject: Re: Bike shop close to a metro station? To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, Donald.Burger@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 100 In a message dated 4/5/2000 10:09:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: << Don, The only place I can think of that's even remotely close to a metro station is Cycle Sport in Springfield (also a highly recommended shop by many on this list). I know it's not right next to the metro, but it's probably only a mile or so away. Cheers, Chuck >> Try about 2.5. I've walked it both ways after dropping off the R6 for it's 600 mile maintenance and then to pick it up. I think there is some place here in DC. I've seen the back side of the building with their sign on it. I think it's on 13th or 14th around O or P street. Couldn't tell you for sure. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 19:33:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35NX2905228 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id r.8.34214b6 (1335); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:24:50 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8.34214b6.261d2541@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:24:49 EDT Subject: Re: New Gadget for Towing Bikes !!! To: mehran7@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 100 In a message dated 4/5/2000 11:00:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mehran7@XXXXXX writes: << I read this article in the May issue of Cycle World magazine about a new way to haul your bike with out a pickup truck or trailer. Finally, someone came up with a brilliant idea. Check out the link below: www.mototote.com I can't wait to get one. >> OK, anyone know the wet weight of an R6 and the tongue capacity of a '96 Blazer? Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 19:37:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e35Nb3905310 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id i.16.24c9d3f (1335); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:36:50 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <16.24c9d3f.261d2811@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:36:49 EDT Subject: Re: New Pennsylvania Road Course? To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 100 In a message dated 4/5/2000 4:57:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: << From www.2wf.com How far is that from here? New Pennsylvania Road Course? On Thursday, April 6th, 7 PM there will be a zoning meeting in Pottsville, Pennsylvania for the final go ahead to begin construction of a 3-mile road course and motorsports park. >> Probably about a 4 to 5 hour ride depending on speed and cops. Harrisburg is about 3 hours from downtown DC. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 20:18:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e360IA905975 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 20:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-76.patriot.net [209.249.180.76]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27010; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 20:11:46 -0400 Message-ID: <38EBD563.A9C6492A@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:08:03 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX CC: mehran7@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Gadget for Towing Bikes !!! References: <8.34214b6.261d2541@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all - tongue wieght is about 10% of gross trailer wieght. A class I hitch can be 2000 # or 200# TW, but many Class I hitchs are *downrated* for certain cars. A Class III rx hitch is 5000# or 500# TW - BUT, those are often downrated with the most popular numbers, 3500# and 350# TW. A Class III can tow many more pounds when the trailer is equiped with devices to alleviate the tongue wieght. Bottom line- tossing anything more'n 200# on hitch rig of a standard car is NUTS! Going ovewr 350# on a Class III equipped SUV is RISKY! Trust me on this - I use to sell and install hitchs and there are a few folks out there who are pissed off because I wouldn't outfit thier friggin Honda Civic with a mega-hitch so they could attempt to tow a 23 foot I/O cuddy cabin cruiser. Buy a trailer. Build a trailer - I do that. 50 -100 bucks worth of steel, a couple hundred bucks to Northern Hydraulics for an axle and wheels - lotta sparks from the welder .... Bill ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 4/5/2000 11:00:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > mehran7@XXXXXX writes: > > << I read this article in the May issue of Cycle World > magazine about a new way to haul your bike with out a > pickup truck or trailer. Finally, someone came up with > a brilliant idea. Check out the link below: > > www.mototote.com > > I can't wait to get one. > >> > > OK, anyone know the wet weight of an R6 and the tongue capacity of a '96 > Blazer? > > Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 20:41:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e360fX906386 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 20:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.1c.205bf2f (3964) for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 20:40:47 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1c.205bf2f.261d370e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 20:40:46 EDT Subject: Re: New Gadget for Towing Bikes !!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 4/5/00 8:20:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Bottom line- tossing anything more'n 200# on hitch rig of a standard car is > NUTS! Going ovewr 350# on a Class III equipped SUV is RISKY! I have a one-ton pickup with a 700# limit... Of course, putting the bike in the bed using a ramp is cheaper :) - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 21:17:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3207.mail.yahoo.com (web3207.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.204]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e361H4907051 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000406011657.8995.qmail@web3207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.188.45.13] by web3207.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:16:57 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:16:57 -0700 (PDT) From: JEM Racing Subject: Re: Free Race Bike Loaner To: Randy Moran , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jesus H! Where were deals like this when I was getting into racing? This is a hell of a bargain, unprecedented as far as I know, and an almost unfathomable (sp?)offer. Folks who have considered racing but did not want to take the financial leap of converting their bikes or buying one should take Randy up on this. As far as I know the bike looked real stable on the track last year, is capable of some pretty damn fast times, but doesn't have such a killer hit as newer 750's. Get your feet wet and try it out - Randy is providing someone a hell of an opportunity . . .(Unless I am the hapless victim of an Aprils Fool's joke . . .) I am looking for someone on > this list who is > interested in doing some racing. I will loan you the > bike, gratis. All > you have to do is pay your way (entry fees, > supplies, etc.), and give > the bike back to me at the end of the season. If you're > interested give me a > holler. > > Randy Moran > ===== Jonathan Broga JEM Racing CCS #502 Sponsored By: http://www.centurypool.com http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.elfmoto.com http://www.loudounmotorsports.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 21:54:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e361sQ907652 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id r.79.2bcf5f2 (7867); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:53:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <79.2bcf5f2.261d4831@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:53:53 EDT Subject: Re: Free Race Bike Loaner To: blister55@XXXXXX, Randy.Moran@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 Hmmmm, I race in F-500 and Vintage 3 in WERA. Vintage 6 is a little bit of a misnomer, the better track times are often faster than modern heavyweight 750 class, there is no Vintage in Vintage 6. TZ-750s are eligible for Vintage 6, good ones put down 150 HP and weigh a fraction of 4-strokes, but hell I'd take the ZX-7 up to Summit and if I didn't get scared to death on practice laps I might even race it. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 22:54:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web304.mail.yahoo.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e362s4908615 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3941 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2000 02:54:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406025402.3940.qmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:54:02 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:54:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: peg feelers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Early warning system maybe.... *I* think it's just so the squids can brag about draggin hard parts!!!! hehehe They're the first thing I take off any bike I get ahold of! lol Collin (two days behind in the digest again...) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 23:09:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3639m908926 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19310 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2000 03:09:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406030945.19309.qmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:09:45 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 20:09:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LOL... so true... When I first got out on the track with the race bike bone stock and sag still set too soft, I drug everythign around the track... pegs wore almost a full inch of length off in the first weekend... left engine case dragged through every left hand turn.. bodywork and exhaust through every right hander :) And before I learned to get off the bike properly, I even managed to drag my left elbow on the ground through turn 5 at summit.... Raised the rear up about 20 mm, set stiff sag, and added rearsets and now I don't even have to plant the knee on the ground too very often.. At nelson ledges, turn 4 has about an 8 degree banking to it and great traction. Coming through there with your knee on the ground, you actually have the bike leaned beyond horizontal (compared to the horizon)... I plan to get some good pics there at the end of the month during the first endurance race... Collin Brian wrote: Not really... for race bikes the first thing we do is scrap the stock pegs for rear sets (mounted higher and further back) and possibly raise the exhaust and ride height. You'd be amazed at how far over a bike can go without losing traction. ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 23:32:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web303.mail.yahoo.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e363W2909336 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15049 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2000 03:31:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406033159.15048.qmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:31:59 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 20:31:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm not 100% up to date on new models and all, but is the 929 *that* different from the previous CBR 900??? I thought it was more or less the same frame/swingarm/steering as the previous bike with motor updates...Can't see there being too many things going wrong with that... They just actually changed the name this time ... most bikes out there aren't exactly 600 or 900cc and looking closely at the specs, the displacements change a few cc every year...I've seen past suzukis change about 20 cc from year to year and still have the same 750 badge... maybe Honda thought they would be cool like ducati for their names ;-) As for which bike, see my post from a day or two ago... Buy what you can afford and what looks/feels good to you... performancewise, you probably won't be able to tell any of em apart on the street. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 23:34:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web305.mail.yahoo.com (web305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.236]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e363YG909346 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17328 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2000 03:34:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406033414.17327.qmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web305.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:34:14 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 20:34:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: your opinion To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ooooh Monster Dark... You are very right Rich... a damn fine bike that was eluding my sleep depraved brain the other night!! mmmmmmmmm desmo............... hehehehe gonna have good dreams tonight! CT ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 5 23:59:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e363xI909716 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-132-127.s381.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.132.127] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12d3Rf-0007IY-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:59:04 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Bikes.... Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:54:48 -0400 Message-ID: <003f01bf9f7b$da973680$cb86a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 07:19:56 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: Subject: Bikes Content-Disposition: inline X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e35BLF921794 The new Honda 929 is being compared against the new Kawa 9R. People are saying that the Honda is a better and lighter bike. I have found that it's only 24lbs. With this being the first year for the 929 I'm a little skeptical about purchasing, with long run complications. Has anyone compared these two or have the 929? Kawa is the leader in cycles, to me, and to stray to a new street bike might be a bad decision... Info needed ASAP.. purchasing....today or tomorrow ------------------------------------------------- ---> no hard facts, but hey, it is a Honda. IMO Honda, though very conservative in many respects, is a sure thing. Fit/finish and tech can be trusted always. Get the 929, and bring it by my house. I'll swap you for my ST1100 and CB750 just so you KNOW I ain't kidding. ;-) Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 146,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 00:02:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web306.mail.yahoo.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3642O909806 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21276 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2000 04:02:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406040222.21275.qmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 21:02:22 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:02:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: uninitiated comments etc etc To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LOL.. very true... Or even more graphic is going through turn 9 with the rear tire sliding some with my helmet resting on a guy's ankle through mid turn ;-) Or a bad one: passing one of the jerkoffs who have their mid range jetted way to fat mid corner, and experiencing a 2 foot flame explosion with my head mere inches from the tip of his exhaust can.... I actually FELT the blast!! Or ask Jay about my first race win...Taylor Young and I were in a tight battle for nearly ten laps... we caught Jay right at the exit of turn 3, and I think Taylor and I were both within 6 inches on either side of poor unsuspecting Jay.... I could go on all night about lifetime memories from the track ;-) CT (someone put a muzzle on him... quick!! hehehe) One of the Brians wrote: Once you start racing... then you find out what he's talking about. Going into the braking zone for turn one at Summit at 140mph, hard on the brakes with the rear dancing about, coming down 4 gears, and pitching it in is an experience that words cannot hope to describe. ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 00:13:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web306.mail.yahoo.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e364DR909971 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22447 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2000 04:13:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406041316.22446.qmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 21:13:16 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:13:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: gas prices To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Biggest expense in gas is the dad gum taxes involved... Several gas station owners have been on the news here over the past month or two, and the common thing I hear is about 3 to 8 cents per gallon proffit..... One independent station on a corner with three national chains said screw it and dropped their price till they were selling it at cost....... had so much business that it was affecting traffic and resulted in the city threatening to fine him for causing traffic problems (such bullshit)...He pretty much said on the news clip that the low price brought folks into his convenience store and they walked out with cokes, cigarettes, cndy, chips, etc etc.... so he well made up for losing money on the gas.. CT ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 01:36:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f196.hotmail.com [216.32.181.196]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e365aS911424 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 80185 invoked by uid 0); 6 Apr 2000 05:36:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406053620.80184.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.253.139.220 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:36:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.253.139.220] From: "No Body" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Transfering ownership of used biked in Virginia Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 01:36:20 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Could someone post a checklist of what is needed in terms of paper work to transfer title of a bike in Virginia. Hand written bill of sale, etc. If the owner takes the plates what do I do with the bike, before I can safely ride it? Insurance etc. Regards ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 03:31:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e367Ux914192 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 03:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts011d17.phx-az1.concentric.net [207.155.238.29] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:30:54 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: SV vs. M750 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:30:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000901bf9f9a$081977d0$1dee9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 ----- Original Message ----- From: > Since Collin nominated the SV as "best bike for the buck," what about a > nice 750 Monster Dark? Seems to be a pretty good bargain in a [current > production ;)] street bike, if you care about performance. If I was > looking at new bikes, a 750 Monster Dark would be on top of my list. > > > Rich Too much in maintenance, time and cost . Danny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *ahem* Terribly unscientific - but if you look at the basics of what you're getting for the price, the SV is only mildy cheaper (and 100cc's less displacement). Maintenance is hardly an issue (sorry, 2 valve air cooled Ducati engines are simple - esp. with no fairing to mess with). And.. um.. Time??!??!? Maybe the time to do the maintenance.. I guess. Personally, I'd still look at the SV as a beginner bang-for-the-buck bike of choice though. Probably a TON cheaper to crash and fix, parts availability, insurance.. etc I AM looking at new bikes. I'm more than likely going to buy something the end of October, first of November when I'm done with this God-forsaken MMI schooling. The SV650 and a HD 883 sportster are on the top of the list with leanings towards the HD.. though, who knows - I might get a bug up my arse and get serious about a VOR or Husaberg 600cc production super motard.. than again, maybe a heafty down-payment on a Honda Civic SI. I still think the HD might win out.. :) Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 06:43:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web301.mail.yahoo.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e36AhY918392 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 433 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2000 10:43:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406104332.432.qmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.99] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 03:43:32 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 03:43:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Bike shop close to a metro station? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The last time I checked, you could take the Fairfax Connector (bus) from either the Van Dorn or Springfield metro stop, #204, and it goes right in front of Cycle Sports. Plus for the past few years, the fare was only $0.25. Louis --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 4/5/2000 10:09:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > << Don, > > The only place I can think of that's even remotely close to a metro > station is Cycle Sport in Springfield (also a highly recommended shop by > many on this list). I know it's not right next to the metro, but it's > probably only a mile or so away. > > Cheers, > Chuck >> > > Try about 2.5. I've walked it both ways after dropping off the R6 for it's > 600 mile maintenance and then to pick it up. I think there is some place > here in DC. I've seen the back side of the building with their sign on it. > I think it's on 13th or 14th around O or P street. Couldn't tell you for > sure. > > Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 07:53:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e36BrI919412 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 07:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-51.patriot.net [209.249.180.51]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA09265; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 07:53:13 -0400 Message-ID: <38EC79C9.293ADD61@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 07:49:29 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: No Body CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Transfering ownership of used biked in Virginia References: <20000406053620.80184.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Owner signs the title- you leave with bike & title - pushing it. You cannot legally ride the bike until you have visited DMV, transferred the title and obtained tags - for which you need insurance. And, you will have to take the m/c test and get an M on your license. Oh, you'll need the bike to take the test, and the bike will have to have a valid inspection sticker. Push bike to gas station, get inspected, push bike to DMV, take test. But waut!!! You're not done! You must go to your county offices, the Taj Mahal in Fairfax County, report your new/used vehicle to them, and buy a personal property tax sticker. Do not overlook this one - the fine for not displaying a tax sticker on your bike is more than the fine for chugging around with no registration. Welcome to Virginia - Have a nice day. Bill No Body wrote: > Could someone post a checklist of what is needed in terms of paper work to > transfer title of a bike in Virginia. Hand written bill of sale, etc. If the > owner takes the plates what do I do with the bike, before I can safely ride > it? Insurance etc. > > Regards > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 08:11:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e36CBB919664 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA06001; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008e01bf9fc1$32a0d990$9007a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "SV650 List" , "D.C. Cycles" , References: <882568B8.007F31FB.00@GWSMTPSCLA02.mis.amat.com> Subject: Re: M10 x .75 bolts Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:11:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 As JZH and Matt W. have pointed out and from further research, the thread pitch is not .7. I got that number because that was the size listed for the nut that I found that would fit the stock bolt (that is too short). I am going to go with JZH on this and assume it is a 1.25 pitch since that is more common than a 1. I will take it to a machinist to check and make sure. I have decided that probably the best way to solve my delima is to find some threaded rod that is the right pitch (hopefully this is available) and put a Nyloc nut on it for now. I spoke with several machinists and they said they could make me a bolt, but at this time because of thier standard tooling it would be cost prohibitive. Any other thoughts or suggestions? Thanks to those who have responded so far........ Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 08:50:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e24.nc.us.ibm.com (e24.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e36CoW920353 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by e24.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA30356 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:38:13 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v2.07) with SMTP id IAA07878 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:50:17 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852568B9.004684EE ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:50:15 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852568B9.00468220.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:50:05 -0400 Subject: RE: Uninitiated comments on riding street/track.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Brian prolly already knows about this site, but for those of y'all that think a HD has to look like Captain America's ride... http://www.storzperf.com/883.html The problem is that they changed their site around and deleted the coolest Shortster pics ever taken! D'Oh! You can still get all the roadrace parts (alloy tank, solo seat, forks, etc.); they just don't show you the pics of the complete bike. :( They have pics of the complete flat tracker bike, but not the roadracer. Bummer Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '65 Norton Atlas cafe racer [soon to be Triton] project http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling Brian wrote... >I think I'm going to buy a Harley when I graduate MMI just for a change >of pace.. Ok, ok.. it'll be a Sporster and I'm going to make it look >either like a roadracer/cafe bike or a dirt-tracker.. but oh, what fun >to go humiliate guys on $11k sportbikes with a $7k Harley.. heheee... From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 09:03:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from indus.house.gov (indus.house.gov [143.231.86.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e36D38920532 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hrmims03.house.gov (hrmims03.house.gov [143.231.32.159]) by indus.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA03671 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hrmims03.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:03:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: SV vs. M750 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:03:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) I almost lost the bike to a Honda Civic SI... that's a hell of a car and super reasonable. Luckily I came to my senses. Seth '98TLR '90VFR > ---------- > From: Brian McCoy[SMTP:v4mofo@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 3:30 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: SV vs. M750 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > Since Collin nominated the SV as "best bike for the buck," what about a > > nice 750 Monster Dark? Seems to be a pretty good bargain in a [current > > production ;)] street bike, if you care about performance. If I was > > looking at new bikes, a 750 Monster Dark would be on top of my list. > > > > > > Rich > > Too much in maintenance, time and cost . > Danny > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > *ahem* Terribly unscientific - but if you look at the basics of what > you're > getting for the price, the SV is only mildy cheaper (and 100cc's less > displacement). Maintenance is hardly an issue (sorry, 2 valve air cooled > Ducati engines are simple - esp. with no fairing to mess with). And.. > um.. > Time??!??!? Maybe the time to do the maintenance.. I guess. > > Personally, I'd still look at the SV as a beginner bang-for-the-buck bike > of > choice though. Probably a TON cheaper to crash and fix, parts > availability, > insurance.. etc > > I AM looking at new bikes. I'm more than likely going to buy something > the > end of October, first of November when I'm done with this God-forsaken MMI > schooling. The SV650 and a HD 883 sportster are on the top of the list > with > leanings towards the HD.. though, who knows - I might get a bug up my > arse > and get serious about a VOR or Husaberg 600cc production super motard.. > than > again, maybe a heafty down-payment on a Honda Civic SI. > > I still think the HD might win out.. :) > > Brian McCoy > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 09:45:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e36DjV921262 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2DM2SMR2>; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:45:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: bikes Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:45:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Collin, There's a LOT more to the changes to the CBR than that. New frame, new swingarm, new engine, new forks, and a lot of other new stuff that's a bit less important, such as new clocks, lights and bodywork. It's pretty much a completely new bike. Check Honda's website for more information if you're curious. Cheers, Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer_racer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 11:32 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: bikes > > I'm not 100% up to date on new models and all, but is the 929 *that* > different from the previous CBR 900??? I thought it was more or less > the same frame/swingarm/steering as the previous bike with motor > updates...Can't see there being too many things going wrong with > that... > They just actually changed the name this time ... most bikes out there > aren't exactly 600 or 900cc and looking closely at the specs, the > displacements change a few cc every year...I've seen past suzukis > change about 20 cc from year to year and still have the same 750 > badge... > > maybe Honda thought they would be cool like ducati for their names ;-) > > As for which bike, see my post from a day or two ago... Buy what you > can afford and what looks/feels good to you... performancewise, you > probably won't be able to tell any of em apart on the street. > > Collin > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 09:47:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web303.mail.yahoo.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e36DlA921272 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1079 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2000 13:47:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406134701.1078.qmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.11.25] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 06:47:01 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:47:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Poker Run, April 30th To: DC-Cycles Cc: bikher@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Normally I don't forward poker run announcements to the list, but Libby and I worked together as motorcycle escorts in the 1997 AIDSRide. Assuming I get back from a Saturday night wedding in Pittsburgh in time, I will be attending. Last year's ride was enjoyable, and at the end they had a lot of good door prizes. Louis * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The Diamond Roses Chapter of Women in the Wind invites you to ride with us in memory of Libby Hatch, our sister who lost her life on December 6, 1998. LIBBY HATCH MEMORIAL POKER RUN Sunday, April 30, 2000 Registration: 10am - 12 Noon Start Location: Capitol Expo Center, Chantilly, VA End Location: Ruby Tuesday's, Countryside, VA only $10 per HAND For more information, contact: Crash ~ 703-404-8687 ~ spoonfree @aol.com or Mary ~ 703-998-9762 ~ MadDawgMary@XXXXXX All profits will be donated to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund in Libby's name. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 09:54:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web503.mail.yahoo.com (web503.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e36DsM921361 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12351 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2000 13:54:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406135416.12350.qmail@web503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.208] by web503.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 06:54:16 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:54:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: SV vs. M750 To: Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Brian McCoy wrote: > then > again, maybe a heafty down-payment on a Honda Civic > SI. This from a guy who wore a 'Cars Suck' t-shirt for 6 years straight! ;) Ptooey. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 10:08:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web307.mail.yahoo.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e36E8W921606 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24071 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2000 14:08:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406140830.24070.qmail@web307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 07:08:30 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 07:08:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: bikes To: "Weaver, Chris_\(MD\)" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for those that have enlightened me...Didn't realize the makeover was so extreme :) It's a Honda though, so I really don't think you're going to find much, if anything, go wrong with a new model... CT --- "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: > Collin, > > There's a LOT more to the changes to the CBR than that. New frame, > new > swingarm, new engine, new forks, ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 10:10:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e36EAC921629 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA04072 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003201bf9fd1$d4135040$9007a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" References: Subject: Re: bikes Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:10:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Collin, et al., FYI I quote Roadracing World, April 2000 pg. 36, "It is, however, the trickest thing on the street. The 929 has virtually no common parts with the 900 and therefore, should be thought of as a new bike, not as a refinement of a prior design." Someone on the VFR list owns one and has rally praised it. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 ----- Original Message ----- From: Weaver, Chris_(MD) To: 'Collin T. Fagan' ; Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 9:45 AM Subject: RE: bikes > Collin, > > There's a LOT more to the changes to the CBR than that. New frame, new > swingarm, new engine, new forks, and a lot of other new stuff that's a bit > less important, such as new clocks, lights and bodywork. It's pretty much a > completely new bike. Check Honda's website for more information if you're > curious. > > Cheers, > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer_racer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 11:32 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: bikes > > > > I'm not 100% up to date on new models and all, but is the 929 *that* > > different from the previous CBR 900??? I thought it was more or less > > the same frame/swingarm/steering as the previous bike with motor > > updates...Can't see there being too many things going wrong with > > that... > > They just actually changed the name this time ... most bikes out there > > aren't exactly 600 or 900cc and looking closely at the specs, the > > displacements change a few cc every year...I've seen past suzukis > > change about 20 cc from year to year and still have the same 750 > > badge... > > > > maybe Honda thought they would be cool like ducati for their names ;-) snip... From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 11:01:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e36F12922520 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-205-81.s81.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.205.81]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12dDmG-0005hV-00; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:01:00 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Danny Thompson" Cc: "SV650 List" , "D.C. Cycles" , Subject: Re: M10 x .75 bolts Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 18:03:15 GMT Message-ID: <38ecca8c.562052368@smtp.erols.com> References: <882568B8.007F31FB.00@GWSMTPSCLA02.mis.amat.com> <008e01bf9fc1$32a0d990$9007a8c0@lhs149teacher> In-Reply-To: <008e01bf9fc1$32a0d990$9007a8c0@lhs149teacher> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e36F18922521 what is a nyloc nut? is it stronger than say, taking a rod and putting two normal nuts on it, tightening them against each other and using them as a "bolt head"? From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 11:08:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web303.mail.yahoo.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e36F8V922628 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14724 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2000 15:08:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406150820.14723.qmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 08:08:20 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:08:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: free gas card To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all... was browsing the hot deals on Anandtech.com's web page an came across a posting about a free $10 gas card... with priced like they are, free gas is a good thing :) Reading through the postings about the deal, people are actually receiving the card, and the "membership" is easily cancelled by replying to the initial registration email... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 11:43:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e36Fh4923296 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id t.44.2a17370 (3968); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:42:45 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <44.2a17370.261e0a75@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:42:45 EDT Subject: Re: SV vs. M750 To: v4mofo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 4/6/00 3:35:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, v4mofo@XXXXXX writes: > I still think the HD might win out.. :) I deny ALL responsibility for this. It's *not* my fault. :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 13:37:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e36Hb8925271 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25106 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06570 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07262 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:36:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000406133054.00ccbb50@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:36:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Tighten my right nut! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Totally not MC related, but I just dropped off the cage ('95 Integra GSR) 'cause of a bad sound in the rear end. I had the 75k service done on it a couple months ago, and I have put about 700 miles on it since then. I couldn't see anything wrong until I got to the dealership. 3/4 lug nuts were almost completely unscrewed! They failed to tighten them properly at the service. Who knows what kind of damage this caused. I'll have it checked by another mechanic when I get it back. Sheesh! Should have ridden the bike this morning anyway, but I had the laptop and forgot to check the weather last night. I'm on it now regardless.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 15:32:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c016.sfo.cp.net (c016-h014.c016.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e36JWX927337 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 19132 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2000 12:31:55 -0700 Received: from gw1.outtask.com (HELO jmaier) (63.76.22.2) by smtp.outtask.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2000 12:31:55 -0700 X-Sent: 6 Apr 2000 19:31:55 GMT Reply-To: From: "Jim Maier" To: Subject: The MSF courses info that went out last week/earlier this week Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:37:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01BF9FDE.113E12A0" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: High X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BF9FDE.113E12A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can who ever posted the info on the MSF course registration coming up next week and the corresponding course dates re-send that information to me off list? I've got a couple of buddies who are interested and I deleted the info. Thanx. Jim Maier 1997 Suzuki Intruder 1400 H.D.ENVY jmaier@XXXXXX ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BF9FDE.113E12A0 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Jim Maier.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Jim Maier.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Maier;Jim FN:Jim Maier ORG:OutTask.com, Inc. TITLE:Product Owner TEL;WORK;VOICE:(703) 908-9409 TEL;WORK;FAX:(703) 908-9167 ADR;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;4301 North Fairfax = Drive=3D0D=3D0ASuite 525;Arlington;Virginia;22203;United St=3D ates of America LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:4301 North Fairfax = Drive=3D0D=3D0ASuite 525=3D0D=3D0AArlington, Virginia 22203=3D0D=3D =3D0AUnited States of America EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:jmaier@XXXXXX REV:20000204T162518Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BF9FDE.113E12A0-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 16:44:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.digizen.net ([216.22.32.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e36Kiv928563 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004062044.e36Kiv928563@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: (qmail 17523 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2000 20:41:48 -0000 Received: from ppp1-243.digizen.net (HELO palladio) (216.22.32.243) by mail.digizen.net with SMTP; 6 Apr 2000 20:41:48 -0000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Experienced Rider Course - NOVA Loudoun Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:42:04 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I called today to register for the Experienced Rider Course. I like to take refreshers for a reality check since 90% of my riding is commuting solo. They're now filling the August 13th class. There are only two open dates after 8/13, they are Sept. 10 and 24. Glad I called when I did! Paul Wilson Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 18:20:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e36MK1900472 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts016d17.phx-az1.concentric.net [207.155.235.29] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:19:41 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Cc: Subject: RE: SV vs. M750 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:19:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000401bfa016$35f50d00$1dee9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <44.2a17370.261e0a75@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sorry my friend - but you and that month long loaner of the Dyna have come to be the main reason I began considering a HD. Not to mention that I believe you were the first person with a truly open attitude about a bike being a bike and enjoy them for what they are designed for, HD or sportbike.... You're guilty... no weaseling out of it.. heh Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > > In a message dated 4/6/00 3:35:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > v4mofo@XXXXXX writes: > > > I still think the HD might win out.. :) > > I deny ALL responsibility for this. > > It's *not* my fault. > > :) > - Roach > From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 19:54:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e36NsP901902 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 12dM6K-0002qo-00; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:54:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 19:52 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "kewlgt@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: re: ownership transfer Message-ID: <20000406195048200-24a0941@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm assuming you already know how to ride so we'll skip step one (MSF course). Step 2 put on proper protective gear Step 3 start bike. Very simple! Of course as Bill H pointed out there's significantly more to riding a bike legally than riding safely. Although....if you follow the "it's all legal til you get caught" theory all you need is a tag to bolt on. then don't do anything to attract the attention of John Q. Law until you take care of the formalities. Keep the shiny side up! Rob - 96vfr >From: "No Body" >Subject: Transfering ownership of used biked in Virginia >Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 01:36:20 EDT > >Could someone post a checklist of what is needed in terms of paper work to >transfer title of a bike in Virginia. Hand written bill of sale, etc. If the >owner takes the plates what do I do with the bike, before I can safely ride >it? Insurance etc. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 20:00:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3700W902064 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id a.ce.3b12b10 (4230); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:00:11 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:00:11 EDT Subject: Re: ownership transfer To: Rob_Bell@XXXXXX, kewlgt@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 100 In a message dated 4/6/2000 7:57:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Rob_Bell@XXXXXX writes: << I'm assuming you already know how to ride so we'll skip step one (MSF course). Step 2 put on proper protective gear Step 3 start bike. Very simple! Of course as Bill H pointed out there's significantly more to riding a bike legally than riding safely. Although....if you follow the "it's all legal til you get caught" theory all you need is a tag to bolt on. then don't do anything to attract the attention of John Q. Law until you take care of the formalities. Keep the shiny side up! Rob - 96vfr >> When I bought my used bike, the previous owner left the plate on long enough for me to go to the DMV. Rode the bike in, filled out paperwork, got plate, rode away. Returned previous owners plate the next night. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 21:54:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web303.mail.yahoo.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e371sv903790 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19429 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2000 01:54:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20000407015454.19428.qmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 18:54:54 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:54:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: DCC Racing types To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all....Since I pretty much didn't do any updating to the web page last season and since I am not racing NE region this year, I really ought to turn over all the web stuff to you guys that are still around... Not to mention that there's some other good info stored on the site which isn't directly linked.. ie resume template, race notes sheet, and valve maintenance log (others might be interested in that one)... Anywho....who should I pass login and password to? CT ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 21:56:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe1.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e371u0903803 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:55:51 -0400 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: "Dave Paper" , Subject: RE: Gas station profits Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:55:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bfa034$62c0a880$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-reply-to: > On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Ned Suesse wrote: > > > Agreed that the margin is probably generally thin, but how does this > > relate to the differences in price within the same state/county? > > Land ownership value/rental rates/leasing rates. Individual > townships/cities may have additional taxes over and above state/federal. > > > > > For example, Gas in northern montgomery county over the weekend was > > 1.49/1.59/1.69 for the different grades. At the same time, gas down > > here was 1.69-1.80 ish. Assuming that all taxes are equal (seems like > > they would have to be in a given county, although this could be > > wrong) then we have a $0.20 discrepancy. I can't imagine distribution > > costs account for that... > > > > Any ideas? Same as real estate: Location, location, location. A gas station in a high traffic location, without another station real close by, can get away with charging more. A gas station with 4 others within a block probably has to charge less. A couple of examples: There's a station on Chain Bridge Rd just before the George Washington Parkway. This owner milks the location, because people who realize they're running on empty on there way to work pay whatever it takes. On Rt 123 headed into Vienna (from Tyson's) there are a series of gas stations. I don't know if it's still true, but there used to be a 5 cent a gallon spread between the ist station, and ones 6 or 8 blocks futher in. People tend to stop at the first one when they need gas. Just because the *average* station makes 3 or 4 cents a gallon doesn't mean a few aren't making a lot more. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 22:22:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e372MB904339 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-189.patriot.net [209.249.180.189]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA26074; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:22:05 -0400 Message-ID: <38ED456D.81C25D88@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:18:21 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rmeyer@XXXXXX CC: Dave Paper , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gas station profits References: <000701bfa034$62c0a880$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm... And of course, the cost on land per square foot near Tysons equates to cost of land in Vienna??? I think not. But I agree to an extent - conveniance can demand a higher price. If you really want to check that out, buy gas in the only station in Dustpile Utah while looking at a state sign "last gas for 146 miles". Bill RMeyer wrote: > Same as real estate: Location, location, location. A gas station in a high > traffic location, without another station real close by, can get away with > charging more. A gas station with 4 others within a block probably has to > charge less. A couple of examples: > > There's a station on Chain Bridge Rd just before the George Washington > Parkway. This owner milks the location, because people who realize they're > running on empty on there way to work pay whatever it takes. > > On Rt 123 headed into Vienna (from Tyson's) there are a series of gas > stations. I don't know if it's still true, but there used to be a 5 cent a > gallon spread between the ist station, and ones 6 or 8 blocks futher in. > People tend to stop at the first one when they need gas. > > Just because the *average* station makes 3 or 4 cents a gallon doesn't mean > a few aren't making a lot more. > > In the wind, > Bob Meyer > 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > ============================================= > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to > pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 22:33:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe1.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e372XF904498 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:33:06 -0400 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Gas station profits Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:32:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bfa039$969b3f80$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-reply-to: <38ED456D.81C25D88@patriot.net> Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Hmm... And of course, the cost on land per square foot near > Tysons equates to > cost of land in Vienna??? I think not. But these stations aren't that far apart. They're all in Vienna, 6 stations within about 6 blocks. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 6 22:36:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e372aZ904578 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.d8.298f54f (9823) for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:36:26 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:36:25 EDT Subject: Just a (plug) reminder To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 That the WERA season opener is at Summit Point raceway this weekend. DC-Cycles riders Brad Faas, Randy Moran, and Brian Roach will be competing, as well as possible appearances from Fred and Jeff (?). (Anyone else that I don't know about?) directions and info can be found at www.summitpoint-raceway.com - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 01:15:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e375Fl907018 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA09098; Fri, 7 Apr 1972 00:19:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1972 00:19:48 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Winslow_E Subject: Fw: Red-Light Camera Locations: (March 2000) (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Forwarded to me, may be useful to someone, somewhere. --garcia "In chemically-fascist America you now have to pee into a bottle in front of a 'health care' worker in order to get a job stacking boxes of Cheerios." --Barbara Ehrenreich > > >the list has grown tremendously. watch out! > >Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 9:55 AM >Slow down... no stop. >Be careful. >Red-Light Camera Locations: (MARCH 2000) > > > > * 12th St & Constitution Ave, NW > * 14th St & U St, >NW > > > > * 16th St & Colorado Ave, NW > > > > * 16th St & Irving St, NW > > > > * 16th St & Oak St, NW > > > > * Alabama Ave & Branch, SE > > > * Benning Ave & Minnesota Ave, NE > > > > * Connecticut Ave & Military Rd, NW > > > > * Connecticut Ave & Nebraska Ave, NW > > > > Constitution Ave & 15th St, NW > > > > * East Capitol St & Benning Rd, SE > > > > * East Capitol St & Southern Ave, NE > > > > * East Capitol St & Texas Ave, SE > > > > * Georgia Ave & Missouri Ave, NW > > > > * 100 block of H St, NE ( Union Station Garage & North >Capitol St.) > > > > * Independence Ave & Washington, SW > > > > * Independence Ave & 3rd St, SW > > > > * K St & 25th St, NW > > > > * K St & 27th St, NW > > > > * Mt. Olivet Rd & West Virginia Ave, NE > > > > * New York Ave & 4th St, NW > > > > * New York Ave & Bladensburg Rd, NE (3 cameras) > > > > * New York Ave and New Jersey Ave, NW > > > > * North Capitol St & Gallatin St, NE > > > > * North Capitol St & Harewood Rd, NW > > > > * North Capitol St & Missouri Ave, NW > > > > * Pennsylvania & Minnesota Ave, SE > > > > * Rhode Island Ave & 1st St, NW > > > > * Rhode Island Ave & Reed, NE > > > > * South Capitol & Eye ("I") St, SW > > > > * South Dakota & Bladensburg Rd, NE > > > > * Suitland Parkway & Firth Stirling Ave, SE > > > > * Suitland Parkway & Stanton Rd, SE > > > > * Whitehurst Fwy & Canal, NW > > > > > > > Coming Soon: > > > > * 14th St & C St, SW (2 cameras) > > > > * Constitution Ave & 17th St, NW > > > > * Massachusetts Ave & 34th St, NW > > > > * New York Ave & Florida Ave, NE > > > > * Wisconsin Ave & Brandywine St, NW > > Coming sooner or later: every corner with a light---for starters. "Big Brother is Watching." George Orwell From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 02:15:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e376FM908769 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA01232 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:15:20 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA18449 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-205-81.s81.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.205.81]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12dS37-00004l-00; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:15:22 -0400 To: "vfr 800" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FS: Share of Tire Changer Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:17:30 GMT Message-ID: <38eda78a.618634333@smtp.erols.com> References: <19991201015319.59746.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <19991201015319.59746.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e376Fe908770 Is your share of the tire changer still up for sale? How far into virginia is it? :) On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:53:19 PST, you wrote: |>Due to me leaving the DC area for the land west, (Kalifornia), I am selling |>my share of the DC cycles tire changer collective. |> |>$30 obo. |> |>Thanks!! (Yes, you will ALL be missed) |> |>John |> |> |>______________________________________________________ |>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 03:23:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e377N5909820 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-199-252.s506.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.199.252]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12dT6c-0000Du-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:23:02 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fw: Red-Light Camera Locations: (March 2000) (fwd) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 10:25:13 GMT Message-ID: <38edb59c.622236938@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e377NI909821 For those of you who have suspension problems.. where your rear bottoms out.. I recomend you bend your tag a little bit inside the wheel well. *assuming you don't have wussy fenders* For those of you who run red lights I recommend you stop. Getting broad sided by a car must really suck. Daniel :) On Fri, 7 Apr 1972 00:19:48 -0500 (EST), you wrote: |> |>Forwarded to me, may be useful to someone, somewhere. |> |>--garcia |> |>"In chemically-fascist America you now have to pee into a bottle in front |>of a 'health care' worker in order to get a job stacking boxes of |>Cheerios." --Barbara Ehrenreich |> |>> |>> |>>the list has grown tremendously. watch out! |>> |>>Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 9:55 AM |>>Slow down... no stop. |>>Be careful. |>>Red-Light Camera Locations: (MARCH 2000) |>> > > > * 12th St & Constitution Ave, NW > * 14th St & U St, |>>NW |>> > > > * 16th St & Colorado Ave, NW |>> > > > * 16th St & Irving St, NW |>> > > > * 16th St & Oak St, NW |>> > > > * Alabama Ave & Branch, SE |>> > > * Benning Ave & Minnesota Ave, NE |>> > > > * Connecticut Ave & Military Rd, NW |>> > > > * Connecticut Ave & Nebraska Ave, NW |>> > > > Constitution Ave & 15th St, NW |>> > > > * East Capitol St & Benning Rd, SE |>> > > > * East Capitol St & Southern Ave, NE |>> > > > * East Capitol St & Texas Ave, SE |>> > > > * Georgia Ave & Missouri Ave, NW |>> > > > * 100 block of H St, NE ( Union Station Garage & North |>>Capitol St.) |>> > > > * Independence Ave & Washington, SW |>> > > > * Independence Ave & 3rd St, SW |>> > > > * K St & 25th St, NW |>> > > > * K St & 27th St, NW |>> > > > * Mt. Olivet Rd & West Virginia Ave, NE |>> > > > * New York Ave & 4th St, NW |>> > > > * New York Ave & Bladensburg Rd, NE (3 cameras) |>> > > > * New York Ave and New Jersey Ave, NW |>> > > > * North Capitol St & Gallatin St, NE |>> > > > * North Capitol St & Harewood Rd, NW |>> > > > * North Capitol St & Missouri Ave, NW |>> > > > * Pennsylvania & Minnesota Ave, SE |>> > > > * Rhode Island Ave & 1st St, NW |>> > > > * Rhode Island Ave & Reed, NE |>> > > > * South Capitol & Eye ("I") St, SW |>> > > > * South Dakota & Bladensburg Rd, NE |>> > > > * Suitland Parkway & Firth Stirling Ave, SE |>> > > > * Suitland Parkway & Stanton Rd, SE |>> > > > * Whitehurst Fwy & Canal, NW |>> > > > |>> > > Coming Soon: |>> > > > * 14th St & C St, SW (2 cameras) |>> > > > * Constitution Ave & 17th St, NW |>> > > > * Massachusetts Ave & 34th St, NW |>> > > > * New York Ave & Florida Ave, NE |>> > > > * Wisconsin Ave & Brandywine St, NW |>> |>> |> |> |>Coming sooner or later: every corner with a light---for starters. |> |>"Big Brother is Watching." George Orwell From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 03:28:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e377S1909898 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-199-252.s506.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.199.252]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12dTBQ-0000Nv-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:28:00 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 160/60 R17 tire needed Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 10:30:12 GMT Message-ID: <38eeb7a9.622761813@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e377S5909899 welp it's about that time.. anyone have a 160/60 R17 for sale or know of a super place to get one? I am willing to try race take offs or factory take offs by people who had to have the elite tires. A friend of mine has a factory zx6r tire, he took off for something more sticky.. it's a bt-55 I think. he said it had 3 thousand miles on it. If I recall correctly he wanted $100 for it. is that a good deal? what about $75? he might have said $75. If i remember correctly, GRD cycles has some kind of used tires for like $80. wonder if they are my size. guess i'll have to call glen. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 03:37:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e377bq910055 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-199-252.s506.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.199.252]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12dTKx-0000gW-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:37:51 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: brake weirdness Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 10:40:02 GMT Message-ID: <38edb9eb.623340138@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e377bu910056 Was riding along and my bike slows down.. what?? I thought i was running out of gas.. I had just put on my old gas tank after making my alterations.. and the bike starts to slow down alot... so I pull in the clutch.. it's STILL slowing down.. now this is weird.. so I pull over.. and realize it's the rear brake.. it's real tight.. so I try to see how much play is in the pedal.. not much.. so I take a cresent wrench and quickly loosen and tighten the bolt to the brake line. (same as opening and closing the bleeder screw in effect). when I did, brake fluid came squirting out. After that.. all was well again. but that was weird.. anyone heard of or expeirenced that before? Explanations? Daniel From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 08:03:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e37C3b914336 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-199-252.s506.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.199.252]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12dXU7-0003KV-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:03:35 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tire specs Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 15:05:43 GMT Message-ID: <38edf89a.639390133@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e37C3s914337 my 95 zx6R is a 160/60R17 the 2k zx6r uses a 180/55 R17 questions: is this wider shorter profile tire any better? if so think it will fit my bike? and lastly which is more comfortable in the curves? (that's what i want) From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 08:22:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e37CM3914639 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA23470 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009b01bfa08b$e27a56f0$9007a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Just a (plug) reminder Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:22:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I'll be there, but I can't race yet:(. I'll work corners on Saturday and mull around the pits on Sunday it looks like. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 10:36 PM Subject: Just a (plug) reminder > > That the WERA season opener is at Summit Point raceway this weekend. > > DC-Cycles riders Brad Faas, Randy Moran, and Brian Roach will be competing, > as well as possible appearances from Fred and Jeff (?). (Anyone else that I > don't know about?) > > directions and info can be found at www.summitpoint-raceway.com > > - Roach > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 09:02:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e37D2N915243 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (adsl-138-88-46-142.bellatlantic.net [138.88.46.142]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA20202 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Paul Elkouss" To: Subject: Tires Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:04:11 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200004042300.e34N01B08867@dirty.meretrix.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hi all, I was looking at my tires and noticed that there is a crack horizontally on one of the blocks. I've got plenty of tread left, and am wondering if I should replace the tire? Also, should I replace both tires? On a similar note, I understand that a tire mounting machine is around. How much does it cost to use it? Is there someone who knows how to use it? Also where is a good place to buy tires? Many Thanks, Paul 1990 Yamaha Radian From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 09:02:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e37D2u915253 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21445; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38EDDCA8.5205955E@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:03:36 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Balt-Cycles-l , "D.C.Cycles-L" , DC Kats , Katana-L , Suzuki Owners Club - USA Officers List , Suzuki-l Subject: Invitation to join Suzuki Owners Club Maryland list Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------9FAD5921A9568390E5E120E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9FAD5921A9568390E5E120E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------9FAD5921A9568390E5E120E0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-POP3-Rcpt: stevied@gigue Return-Path: Received: from lomond.pro-libertate.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.242.70.68]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA29559 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lomond.pro-libertate.com (nobody@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lomond.pro-libertate.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA00149; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:26:02 -0500 Received: from ck.egroups.com (ck.egroups.com [208.50.144.69]) by lomond.pro-libertate.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA31589 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:48:08 -0500 X-eGroups-Return: notify-return-suzuki-bikes=lomond.pro-libertate.com@XXXXXX Received: from [10.1.10.108] by ck.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2000 17:06:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 14625 invoked by uid 99); 5 Apr 2000 17:06:10 -0000 Date: 5 Apr 2000 17:06:10 -0000 Message-ID: <954954370.14618@egroups.com> From: SOCMd Moderator Reply-To: SOCMd-subscribe@XXXXXX To: suzuki-bikes@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Suzuki-bikes] Invitation to join SOCMd Sender: suzuki-bikes-admin@XXXXXX Errors-To: suzuki-bikes-admin@XXXXXX X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Owners of Suzuki brand motorcycles X-BeenThere: suzuki-bikes@XXXXXX X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Hello, This is an invitation to join the SOCMd group, an email group that I moderate at eGroups, a free, easy-to-use email group service. 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If you feel this has happened, please notify us at abuse@XXXXXX _______________________________________________ Suzuki-bikes maillist - Suzuki-bikes@XXXXXX http://lomond.pro-libertate.com/mailman/listinfo/suzuki-bikes http://fatman.pro-libertate.com/suzuki/owners.html --------------9FAD5921A9568390E5E120E0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 09:12:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e37DCR915584 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2DM2SNYW>; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:12:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: tire specs Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:12:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain This is what I know about it (if I'm wrong, someone correct me): Wider is not necessarily better. With a narrower tire (160), you'll find turn-in to be easier and changing lines mid corner to be easier. With a wider tire, you'll have better traction and be a bit more stable in a turn, but you also get slower turn-in as a result. I suggest sticking with the original spec tires for your bike. They may not "look cool" like fat 180s or 190s, but they are undoubtedly better suited to your bike's handling characteristics. Chris Weaver '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [SMTP:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 11:06 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: tire specs > > my 95 zx6R is a 160/60R17 > > the 2k zx6r uses a 180/55 R17 > > questions: > > is this wider shorter profile tire any better? > > if so think it will fit my bike? > > and lastly which is more comfortable in the curves? > (that's what i want) From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 09:30:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e37DUQ916217 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-199-252.s506.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.199.252]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12dYq7-0000hr-00; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:30:23 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: tire specs Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:32:30 GMT Message-ID: <38ee0baa.644270289@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e37DUV916218 I read this on a newsgroup "the racers I know run 170's and when the 170's are out some even run 180's".. So now i'm thinking.. hey if the racers run 170's then they would know which is all around best for cornering.. ( refering to a 96 zx6r which is the same as mine 95-97) I'm thinking wider might be better then.. It's not like I hit a lot of S turns and need to turn quicker. now hmm bt56 or dunlop 207 On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:12:28 -0400 , you wrote: |>This is what I know about it (if I'm wrong, someone correct me): |>Wider is not necessarily better. With a narrower tire (160), you'll find |>turn-in to be easier and changing lines mid corner to be easier. With a |>wider tire, you'll have better traction and be a bit more stable in a turn, |>but you also get slower turn-in as a result. |> |>I suggest sticking with the original spec tires for your bike. They may not |>"look cool" like fat 180s or 190s, but they are undoubtedly better suited to |>your bike's handling characteristics. |> |>Chris Weaver |>'98 VTR |> |> |>> -----Original Message----- |>> From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [SMTP:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] |>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 11:06 AM |>> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX |>> Subject: tire specs |>> |>> my 95 zx6R is a 160/60R17 |>> |>> the 2k zx6r uses a 180/55 R17 |>> |>> questions: |>> |>> is this wider shorter profile tire any better? |>> |>> if so think it will fit my bike? |>> |>> and lastly which is more comfortable in the curves? |>> (that's what i want) From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 09:32:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e37DWW916305 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.a5.4261de1 (6108) for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:32:18 -0400 (EDT) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:32:18 EDT Subject: Re: Just a (plug) reminder To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Bryan, I'll be there but I'm not sure what time. Put a chair in line for me if you would. You know how crowded that 600 class gets. I hope to see a lot of DCC people at the track. c-ya there, Jeff Jeff Ozmen 97 YZF 600 Wera # 86 Sponsored by ELF From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 09:38:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from herndon3.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e37DcL916437 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vienna5.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.200.68.8]) by herndon3.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17351; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm7a-5.his.com [216.200.82.5]) by vienna5.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA27454; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000407093517.0092dc20@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:35:17 -0400 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: 160/60 R17 tire needed In-Reply-To: <38eeb7a9.622761813@smtp.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have a 180/70/17 Dunlop 207 used race tire you can have for $40. It is for a 6in rim. For a street bike you can shoe horn it on a 5.5in rim and it will work, but the 160 is the correct size. Then again, for cruising along the belt way it makes no difference anyway. S At 10:30 AM 4/7/00 GMT, you wrote: >welp it's about that time.. anyone have a 160/60 R17 for sale or know >of a super place to get one? I am willing to try race take offs or >factory take offs by people who had to have the elite tires. > >A friend of mine has a factory zx6r tire, he took off for something >more sticky.. it's a bt-55 I think. he said it had 3 thousand miles >on it. If I recall correctly he wanted $100 for it. is that a good >deal? what about $75? he might have said $75. > >If i remember correctly, GRD cycles has some kind of used tires for >like $80. wonder if they are my size. guess i'll have to call glen. > > > > >Daniel > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 09:46:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e37Dk3916603 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:46:21 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33031289@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'BryanRoach@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Just a (plug) reminder Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:43:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sorry I can't be there but GOOD LUCK all! Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [SMTP:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 10:36 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Just a (plug) reminder > > > That the WERA season opener is at Summit Point raceway this weekend. > > DC-Cycles riders Brad Faas, Randy Moran, and Brian Roach will be > competing, > as well as possible appearances from Fred and Jeff (?). (Anyone else that > I > don't know about?) > > directions and info can be found at www.summitpoint-raceway.com > > - Roach > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 09:58:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e37DwO916770 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 7 Apr 2000 09:57:06 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:160/60 R17 tire needed Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:02:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Daniel, The reason many racers use 170 tires is because that is the smallest that Dunlop makes in GP compound. They seem to fit all the 600s that came stock with 160s. I have a pair of race takeoff D207GPs I'll sell you for $75. That is a 170 and matching 120. I also have another front. You can take your choice. These are the endurance compound so they should last pretty well. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 10:31:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e37EVS917381 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.9f.3b5efec (8233) for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:31:19 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9f.3b5efec.261f4b37@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:31:19 EDT Subject: Re: tire specs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: << I read this on a newsgroup "the racers I know run 170's and when the 170's are out some even run 180's".. So now i'm thinking.. hey if the racers run 170's then they would know which is all around best for cornering.. ( refering to a 96 zx6r which is the same as mine 95-97) >> Chris is right...stay close to the stock size. I went with a wider tire on my 600 roadracer and couldn't use all the tire which made even less traction. The tire was so wide and the rim so narrow that the tire went way around the rim. Back to the stock size and no more problems...wider in not better! :) Steve Broadstreet Concours From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 10:33:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e37EXu917391 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA17145; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00f201bfa09e$50ad12e0$9007a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" , , "SV650 List" References: <882568B8.007F31FB.00@GWSMTPSCLA02.mis.amat.com> <008e01bf9fc1$32a0d990$9007a8c0@lhs149teacher> <38ECFA12.BDAE3503@pipeline.com> Subject: Re: Re: M10 x .75 bolts Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:33:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Well, the bolt need has been met. Leon B. rode out last evening and brought his tap and die set along with an 11mm x 150mm bolt. He then proceeded to make it a 10mm x 100 mm.(Special thanks Leon!) Seems to work pretty well. Now he believes he can do better. FYI, the thread pitch is 1.25. I was misinformed at the hardware store initially, but now we know. If anyone is using the RAM frame sliders, you will need 1 bolt that is an M10 x 100 with the 1.25 thread pitch. Thanks to everyone who gave me advice and made suggestions; Zoran, Matt W., David S., JZH, Kirk R., Mark K., Chris W., and anyone else whose names I have left off. Leon, you are THE MAN!!! Thanks! Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 10:36:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e37EaE917481 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:36:34 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33031290@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: 91 VFR Right Mid Needed-Dinged ok Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:33:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Does someone out there have a 91 right mid for a VFR laying in the garage that I could borrow for a week? I have one on order, but it won't be here until next week. Thanks, Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 10:50:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e37Eov917726 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000407145339.1269.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.4] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 07:53:39 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:53:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: RE: tire specs To: "Weaver, Chris_\(MD\)" , "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Or on some bikes like the TL and R1, downsizing to a 180 from 190 makes the bike handle that much better. Glenn --- "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: > I suggest sticking with the original spec tires for > your bike. They may not > "look cool" like fat 180s or 190s, but they are > undoubtedly better suited to > your bike's handling characteristics. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 11:12:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e37FCQ918069 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12daPI-0000Ue-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 08:10:48 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:12:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Some news from the "other" DC motorycle club. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- Whats up DC Sportbike family!!!! We've got just a little over 1 week before we have our Official DC Sportbike Membership Drive and we need your support to get this thing going. We've loaded up a flyer on the website that advertises the membership drive. We'd like everyone to print out some of these flyers and pass them out to everyone you come in contact with. Whether they have a bike or not they are welcome to come join in this day of fun. Best of all its FREE!!!! Check out the Membership Information section of the website for more information about membership to the club. The flyer can be seen at this address: www.dcsportbike.com/images/flyer.gif See ya on the 15th!!! GC President DC Sportbike www.dcsportbike.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 11:19:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e37FJP918194 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:19:50 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33031295@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Hugh Caldwell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:16:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain And their web site is a helluva lot better than ours.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Hugh Caldwell [SMTP:twg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 11:12 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) > > > Some news from the "other" DC motorycle club. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Whats up DC Sportbike family!!!! We've got just a little over 1 week > before we have our Official DC Sportbike Membership Drive and we need your > support to get this thing going. We've loaded up a flyer on the website > that advertises the membership drive. We'd like everyone to print out > some of these flyers and pass them out to everyone you come in contact > with. Whether they have a bike or not they are welcome to come join in > this day of fun. Best of all its FREE!!!! Check out the Membership > Information section of the website for more information about membership > to the club. > > The flyer can be seen at this address: > > www.dcsportbike.com/images/flyer.gif > > See ya on the 15th!!! > > GC > President > DC Sportbike > www.dcsportbike.com > From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 11:24:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e37FOA918295 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12148; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:24:01 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000407112310.00d893a0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 11:24:00 -0400 To: Hugh Caldwell From: Troutman Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:12 AM 4/7/00 , Hugh Caldwell wrote: > Some news from the "other" DC motorycle club. Not suprising they have a pic of a guy going a stoppie on the front page. We do need to work on our website. Harry? Harry? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 12:39:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from boink.eainet.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.84.201.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e37Gdg919597 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (IDENT:ph@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by boink.eainet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05283 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:39:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:39:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC-Cycles Web Site In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000407112310.00d893a0@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmm... What is the URL for the DC-Cycles Web Site anyhow? I could be convinced to maintain the thing for a while, as long as others help out with content... Pete. From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 13:27:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay5.smtp.psi.net (relay5.smtp.psi.net [38.9.28.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e37HRS920378 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay5.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 12dcXQ-0002ft-00; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:27:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 13:24 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "VFR-digest@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Galfer install on '96 VFR Message-ID: <20000407132355138-60e313b@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, finally got the Galfers and will be installing this w/e. For anyone who's done it in past: did you find a way to get the Galfer lines thru the existing hole in the bracket, zip-tie the Galfer's to the bracket, just leave the lines loose or what? Any other tips or gotcha's to avoid appreciated. keep the shiny side up! Rob - 96vfr From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 14:33:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e37IXF921487 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:32:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200004071432.AA466223904@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: brake weirdness X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX >so I pull over.. and realize it's the rear brake.. it's real tight.. > >so I try to see how much play is in the pedal.. not much.. >so I take a cresent wrench and quickly loosen and tighten the bolt to >the brake line. (same as opening and closing the bleeder screw in >effect). when I did, brake fluid came squirting out. After that.. all >was well again. My little bro Rich has this problem on the front brake of his '78 Yamahammer 750 Triple. I think it's got something plugged up somewhere in the master cylinder (the 20 year old "fluid" we scooped out of there had the color and consistency of oatmeal) because it tends to clamp down over time (like overnight). Anyone know how much it would cost to have a front master cylinder cleaned and rebuilt if we removed it and brought it in to a dealer? We've tried cleaning it myself, it still isn't right. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 14:37:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e37IbC921570 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA26172 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:37:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: brake weirdness In-Reply-To: <200004071432.AA466223904@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Horkster wrote: > We've tried cleaning it myself, it still isn't right. So, Dale, you're now referring to yourself in the plural. Is this how you make those long rides bearable or is this an after effect? :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 19:51:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web305.mail.yahoo.com (web305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.236]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e37Npn926519 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3539 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2000 23:51:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000407235146.3538.qmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web305.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:51:45 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:51:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: tires To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Daniel... I really would recommend staying with your 160...or at most only up to a 170.... *IF* a 180 will even fit between the swingarm, it will drastically affect the handling (particularly if you don't change the front dimentions to match as well) and you may not like it one bit at all... And contrary to what was already written, wider does not always mean more available traction. And your application is a classic point. 180s were designed for wider rims than your older ZX6. Trying to force a 180 onto it will "round out" the profile (trying to find the right words) and you will actually have a smaller contact patch on the ground than you would with your 160's. Not to mention the other crappy effects such as making turn in more difficult and slowing motor response down (bigger tire has more real mass and more "added mass" which changes the rate at which angular momentum can be changed...ie. you'll lose some power). Added width will gain you some benefits in heat dissipation, but on a street bike, I really don't think that is ever an issue unless you're riding some of the looong mountain runs (ie skyline drive) at 9 tenths all day long without a break... On the new bikes, 180 is the popular tire because that is what the rim widths are designed for. For us GSXR racers, stock is actually 190, but everyone I know, myself included, races on 180's. It makes a noticable difference... although on the track, I don't think you could even get a 190 207GP before late this last season.. I may be wrong on that one though... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 7 20:02:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3802Q926707 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts006d35.phx-az1.concentric.net [207.155.237.47] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:01:48 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: stuff from the digest.. Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:02:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01bfa0ed$ab3edbe0$26ee9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Brake weirdness... Well, sounds like either the barkes are hanging up (if it's a floating caliper) or the fliud's got water in it - which boils off and presurizes as it's heated up. Change your fluid. If it's still ahppening, you'll likely need to rebuild the caliper like Horkster needs.. About $30~40 for the kit, VERY easy to do yourself - it'd take a shop about 30 minutes if the caliper was brought in.... like I said, simple. Wider ISN'T Better.. First off, you shouldn't go more than 1 size over what's stock on the bike (unless the tire mfg. specificaly states the tire can be used on that rim). An example is Avon, they have 2 different 160/60ZR17's.. one for a 4.5" rim, the other for a 5" rim. If you go larger, you deform the tire, but stress on it in ways which the MFG never calculated or intended and could have serious problems. And, as someone else mentioned, you sacrifice handling (not just high-speed, but parking lot speed too). Tires - You're a FOOL to buy a used tire for $100.. you can get BRAND NEW tires for $100 and less. I know my Avon's aren't the cheapest by any means - and I only pay $100 to my door (have one sitting in the closet now). And, personally, I wouldn't run a race take-off on the street. I may never get to the limits of it's ability, but the limit is less than that of a street tire IN STREET APPLICATIONS... more reserve for me, the better. Racing.. BASTARDS.... 'nuff said (suffering through borring ass school, and I only get to watch racing) Anyway, off for a shower and then school... whee, a test on charging systems. *yawn* Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 8 00:39:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e384dr900989 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-131-195.s195.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.131.195] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12dn2F-0003xI-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:39:51 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Tires for sale Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:35:03 -0400 Message-ID: <005001bfa113$cf3571a0$cb86a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I have a couple of odd tires just taking up space in my garage that still have life in them. The first is a Dunlop K591 110/80-18. It is brand new. I bought it for my CB750 (92) but never put it on. $40 and you pay shipping The second is a Michelin(SP) Macadam 90x, 160/60-17 radial. It has roughly 1500 miles on it and some decent tread left. I bought this tire as an emergency fit while cruising around Nova Scotia last year. I bought a front (110/80-18) when I got home, but never really liked them on my ST1100. I'll sell both for $80 you pay shipping, or I'll sell just the rear $30 (again you pay shipping). Todd (Springfield, VA) Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 146,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 8 05:58:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e389wX909168 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 05:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-199-198.s452.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.199.198]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12drzf-0005gv-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 05:57:32 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: brake weirdness Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 13:00:11 GMT Message-ID: <38ef2c0b.718107228@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e389x3909169 My little brake thing happened again. I was assuming I was using the wrong dot brake fluid and it was just hitting a boiling point and expanding thus more pressure in the mastercyclinder. Plus the cyclinder wouldn't feed in more fluid so maybe it works both ways, fluid is supposed to escape when it heats up and the pedal isn't being pressed? I already have my old cyclinder off the bike and that's the one that should be fixed. anyway i pulled over, loosened & re-tightened the brake line bolt and sure enough fluid squirted out. then i pumped the brake a little to get more fluid squirting out, then retighted it fully and the brake worked proper again. Oh well I'll fix it one way or another. i wonder if it's feeding brake fluid from the resevior now...hmmm.. too bat it's going to rain today. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 8 09:31:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from herndon3.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e38DUs912350 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 09:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vienna5.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.200.68.8]) by herndon3.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12270 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 09:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm7a-38.his.com [216.200.82.38]) by vienna5.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA29527 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 09:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000408092612.00927c50@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 09:26:12 -0400 To: From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: stuff from the digest.. In-Reply-To: <000f01bfa0ed$ab3edbe0$26ee9bcf@tra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:02 PM 4/7/00 -0700, Brian McCoy wrote: >Tires - > >You're a FOOL to buy a used tire for $100.. you can get BRAND NEW tires for >$100 and less. I know my Avon's aren't the cheapest by any means - and I >only pay $100 to my door (have one sitting in the closet now). Agreed. I thought the guy asking $100 was high. Personally I sell my ex-race tires for $40. >And, >personally, I wouldn't run a race take-off on the street. I may never get >to the limits of it's ability, but the limit is less than that of a street >tire IN STREET APPLICATIONS... more reserve for me, the better. Nah. Used race rubber is fine on the street. I've done it for years even before I raced. I've "recycled" a lot of 1 weekend old race rubber to street riders without and ill results. Otherwise these tires end up in the landfill (note I don't care about the enviorment, I just hate to see waste). The "limit" of adhesion for used race rubber, or brand new tires for that matter, in street applications is a complete non sequitur. It is not possible to simulate true "limit" conditions while riding on public roads, as you know. Re: "reserves" (Insurance accident investigator hat on). Most single vehicle motorcycle crashes on the street I've handled that are ~not~ the rider running off the road thinking they've entered the turn too fast ~or~ the result of goo on the pavement creating a localized area of low friction ~are~ typically the result of the rider not getting their tires prepared. By prepared I mean that either they are not warmed up (either going fast after a period of going very slow, over-inflated tires, or going too fast too soon, armor-all'd tires) or they lean too far over on the greasy side part of the tread before it has had a chance to abrade to clean rubber. The sad truth is that the layer of oxidation, oils, and grim on the edges of the tread will dump you on your ass the moment you try to lean the bike abruptly over on it for the first time. The "reserve" is not there unless you periodically lean the bike over with warm rubber on clean pavement to keep that area of the tread scrubbed off. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 8 20:11:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e390BY922009 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 20:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts006d35.phx-az1.concentric.net (HELO tra) (207.155.237.47) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2000 17:11:26 -0700 X-Apparently-From: From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: tire 'reserve' Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:11:52 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bfa1b8$34e1a240$2fed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200004082301.e38N1LV21012@dirty.meretrix.com> > From: Stephen Harris > > Nah. Used race rubber is fine on the street. I've done it > for years even > before I raced. I've "recycled" a lot of 1 weekend old race rubber to > street riders without and ill results. I agree that they can be used on the street without ill results - it's just not something *I* will personally do. It fits into that catagory of changing your oil filter Every time you chain the oil, replacing tires when they're at the wear indicator instead of bald, etc... a little bit of personal insurance that makes me comfortable and moe able to fully enjoy my rides. > > The "limit" of adhesion for used race rubber, or brand new > tires for that > matter, in street applications is a complete non sequitur. It is not > possible to simulate true "limit" conditions while riding on public roads, > as you know. Well, a lot of people sure try.. :) > > Re: "reserves" (Insurance accident investigator hat on). > Most single > vehicle motorcycle crashes on the street I've handled that are ~not~ the > rider running off the road thinking they've entered the turn too fast ~or~ > the result of goo on the pavement creating a localized area of > low friction > ~are~ typically the result of the rider not getting their tires prepared. And I counter with the fact that most motorcycle riders haven't seen a racetrack live, let alone been on one for a track day or a race. I probably have a little better chance of needing that reserve at the edge of my tires and the softer rubber of the street tires that heat a bit more quickly. > The sad truth is that the layer of oxidation, oils, and > grim on the edges > of the tread will dump you on your ass the moment you try to lean the bike > abruptly over on it for the first time. The "reserve" is not there unless > you periodically lean the bike over with warm rubber on clean pavement to > keep that area of the tread scrubbed off. *grin* I sure try to keep that edge clean - it's been awhile that the bike's been out of commision though, so I'll not be tossing it into any really hard corners for awhile (don't know if my skills/confidence is up to the task at the moment anyway..) Cheers, Brian McCoy (stuck in Phoenix.. ugh, someone send me a fan please....) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 8 23:21:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e393LH925086 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f45.hotmail.com [216.32.181.45]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id XAA01908 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43734 invoked by uid 0); 9 Apr 2000 03:20:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000409032021.43733.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 151.200.15.206 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 20:20:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.15.206] From: "No Body" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bought a Yamaha YZF600R Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 23:20:20 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Well I finally did it, I bought a YZF600. Nice blue one too, my fav color. Rode it down from Baltimore eariler today, with no tags. Though I risk it with my girlfriend following behind me in her car. Damn there was a lot of wind, had to hold on tight. First time I had been on a bike for a while now, so I didnt attempt to do anything fancy. Just glad to finally be among the motorcycle riding public. Even ran into some nice fellow riders stuck in traffic on New York Avenue in DC. Is anyone in here live around Arlington (Crystal City) area, who ride on the weekend? Would love to ride with some people to get more experience on the roads around here. Regards ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 9 08:53:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e39CrF904511 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 08:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA15637 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 08:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-76.patriot.net [209.249.180.76]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA20169; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 08:53:10 -0400 Message-ID: <38F07C4D.ABAF686B@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 08:49:18 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: No Body CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bought a Yamaha YZF600R References: <20000409032021.43733.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congrats on the Yamahonker. You got it just in time for the snow! Have you taken an MSF RiderCourse? If not, you should, and read everything you can find on street stratigies. Motorcycle Consumer News has great articles. I seem to recall you're new in VA. Closest DMV to you (CC -Arlington) is the one in Shirlington. The *test* range is marked and you can go there on Sundays and practice. A RiderCourse card will get you out of the test. Oh yeah, and VA has a Learner M/C permit now! No riding test required for that one, good for 6 months I *think*. I work in Crystal City - commute on the bike soon - and when I'm not teaching doing some other like pursuit on weekends - I be riding!!! Well, soon I'll be riding again. Bike #1 is busted bad and the engine is in pieces, hopefully running again in a couple weeks. Bike #2 is a restoration project which probably won't see the road til next spring. However, other than commuting - SAVE GAS - my riding is outta here - away from the crazies - away from the zoo traffic - and is usually overnight(s). Bill - somebody `93 Harley FLHS - in the harley hospitol `66 Norton Atlas - garage decoration No Body wrote: > Well I finally did it, I bought a YZF600. Nice blue one too, my fav color. > Rode it down from Baltimore eariler today, with no tags. Though I risk it > with my girlfriend following behind me in her car. Damn there was a lot of > wind, had to hold on tight. First time I had been on a bike for a while now, > so I didnt attempt to do anything fancy. Just glad to finally be among the > motorcycle riding public. Even ran into some nice fellow riders stuck in > traffic on New York Avenue in DC. Is anyone in here live around Arlington > (Crystal City) area, who ride on the weekend? Would love to ride with some > people to get more experience on the roads around here. > > Regards > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 9 10:07:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e39E7v905662 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skink.ebay.com (skink.ebay.com [216.32.120.58]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA20980 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:07:49 -0400 (EDT) From: cbxturbo@XXXXXX Received: from dolly ([10.1.52.15]) by skink.ebay.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA13987 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 07:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004091403.HAA13987@skink.ebay.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#303703098: Yamaha Seca Turbo 1982 Parts bike Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 Pacific Daylight Time I listed my Seca Turbo parts bike on ebay. Here is the link if you are interested Title of item: Yamaha Seca Turbo 1982 Parts bike Seller: cbxturbo@XXXXXX Starts: Apr-08-00 08:19:50 PDT Ends: Apr-15-00 08:19:50 PDT Price: Currently $200.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=303703098 Item Description: Motorcycle is completely disassembled. Great parts bike. Only part missing is the seat. Turbo assy is in good working order. Includes two fuel tanks. Body work is scuffed and cracked/scratched. Electronic "black boxes" are included as is electric fuel pump. Engine was useing oil before I disassembled it for storage. I had a perfect Seca Turbo(since sold) from new that caused me to buy this one(never used a part from this one) Shipping would be difficult, pick up from my garage is best. Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community athttp://www.ebay.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 9 18:57:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e39Mv9913495 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA02336 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:56:54 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id i.46.3c870a3 (4404); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46.3c870a3.26226490@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:56:16 EDT Subject: Re: Bought a Yamaha YZF600R To: kewlgt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 100 In a message dated 4/8/2000 11:26:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kewlgt@XXXXXX writes: << Damn there was a lot of wind, had to hold on tight. >> You can say that again!! Welcome to the list. Everyone around here gets together every once in a while. A lot of good people and a lot of fun. BTW, GET TAGS!! :-) Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 9 19:07:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e39N7t913698 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id j.c5.3e7bfac (4404); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:07:30 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:07:29 EDT Subject: Wind question To: exup@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 100 Welp, took the bike out and was blown all over the freakin place. I think they were calling for 20+ mph winds here in DC today. Sure felt like it. Anyway, the question: How do you all deal with strong winds/cross winds? The bottom of my bike felt like it wanted to go to the right and the top wanted to go left. I wanted to go sh#t. ;-) Got scared a couple times when the wind wanted to drive my bike but, I recovered. So, do you slow down? Speed up? Tuck-in? Sit up more? Anyone? Enquiring minds want to know. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 9 19:26:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.1.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e39NQd913947 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c604949-b.home.com ([24.11.39.164]) by mail.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000409232631.UHJV14502.mail.rdc1.il.home.com@XXXXXX>; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:26:31 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20000409182608.00ab99f0@mail> X-Sender: jong47@mail X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 18:26:42 -0500 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX From: Roy Batty Subject: Re: [EXUP] Wind question Cc: exup@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Mostly stay home--it's not that much fun in the wind. :) At 07:07 PM 4/9/2000 -0400, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >Welp, took the bike out and was blown all over the freakin place. I think >they were calling for 20+ mph winds here in DC today. Sure felt like it. >Anyway, the question: How do you all deal with strong winds/cross winds? >The bottom of my bike felt like it wanted to go to the right and the top >wanted to go left. I wanted to go sh#t. ;-) Got scared a couple times when >the wind wanted to drive my bike but, I recovered. So, do you slow down? >Speed up? Tuck-in? Sit up more? Anyone? Enquiring minds want to know. > >Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) > >__________________________________________________________________________ >Find over 10,000 products from 18 manufacturers! visit www.cyclemall.net! > >__________________________________________________________________________ >For list administration, visit www.exupbrotherhood.com, select "The List" From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 9 19:33:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blizzard.columbus.rr.com (blizzard.columbus.rr.com [204.210.252.245]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e39NXd914111 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0015939847 (dhcp9565096.columbus.rr.com [24.95.65.96]) by blizzard.columbus.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA25492; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012001bfa2f9$afdcc1e0$60415f18@columbus.rr.com> From: "William Settina" To: , , References: Subject: Re: [EXUP] Wind question Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:32:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 What to do about wind. Good question, and something that I am intimately familiar with being in Ohio and riding in lots of flat open spaces where the wind can howl acros open farmland. I found that if you tuck behind the fairing and lower your profile as much as possible, this helps. Also, try to hide next to a semi trailer (make sure he knows you are there, or be ready to accelarate out quickly). Otherwise, cross winds are just something you have to deal with. Bill (bikes I have owned, in this order) 93FZR1000 (current, and easily best) 87 CBR 1000 1991 CBR F2 1989 VMAX 1992 GSXR750 1986 GPZ1100 1986 GXSR 750 1985 Nighthawk 650 (my first bike) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 4:07 PM Subject: [EXUP] Wind question > Welp, took the bike out and was blown all over the freakin place. I think > they were calling for 20+ mph winds here in DC today. Sure felt like it. > Anyway, the question: How do you all deal with strong winds/cross winds? > The bottom of my bike felt like it wanted to go to the right and the top > wanted to go left. I wanted to go sh#t. ;-) Got scared a couple times when > the wind wanted to drive my bike but, I recovered. So, do you slow down? > Speed up? Tuck-in? Sit up more? Anyone? Enquiring minds want to know. > > Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) > > __________________________________________________________________________ > Find over 10,000 products from 18 manufacturers! visit www.cyclemall.net! > > __________________________________________________________________________ > For list administration, visit www.exupbrotherhood.com, select "The List" > From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 9 20:00:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3A00i914623 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from winnie (user-2ivelh4.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.86.36]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA21144 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000001bfa27e$ca459500$2456f7a5@winnie> From: "Ryan Matteson" To: Subject: Wind Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:50:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 The wind really was shotty, Sat. was my first time out riding since December. I was skating down 395 and felt like a feather on a windy day moving back and forth. Anyone have any tips on riding with the wind?? I think I need to get a wind resistant jacket as mine was catching wind and jerking me around a bit. - Ryan =============================================================== Ryan Matteson: UNIX Administrator Home Email: desc@XXXXXX Work Email: rmatteson@XXXXXX Web Site: http://www.mindspring.com/~desc PGP Public Key: http://www.mindspring.com/~desc/public.asc =============================================================== From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 9 20:32:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3A0Wh915073 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-13.patriot.net [209.249.180.13]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA00331; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:32:39 -0400 Message-ID: <38F12041.C6C4C886@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 20:28:49 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Matteson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wind References: <000001bfa27e$ca459500$2456f7a5@winnie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clothes need to be snug fitting to avoid para-sailing off the bike. Tips? Tuck in, squeeze the knees on the tank, and lean wieght on the handgrips. You have to lean the bike into crosswinds, and when the winds are gusty that becomes a full-time job. At some point, best to park it and wait, like the wiggle-wagons do. Wind usually dies down near sundown. If it doesn't, pick out a nice picnic table at the rest stop and catch some zzzzs. Bill Ryan Matteson wrote: > The wind really was shotty, Sat. was my first time out riding since December. I > was > skating down 395 and felt like a feather on a windy day moving back and forth. > Anyone have any tips on riding with the wind?? I think I need to get a wind > resistant > jacket as mine was catching wind and jerking me around a bit. > > - Ryan > > =============================================================== > Ryan Matteson: UNIX Administrator > Home Email: desc@XXXXXX > Work Email: rmatteson@XXXXXX > Web Site: http://www.mindspring.com/~desc > PGP Public Key: http://www.mindspring.com/~desc/public.asc > =============================================================== From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 9 21:47:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3A1lG916203 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-199-198.s452.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.199.198]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12eTHY-0006Y2-00; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:46:28 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: exup@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wind question Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 04:48:45 GMT Message-ID: <38f15ca3.861640493@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3A1lY916204 I tuck in. and it seems like the faster you go the farther over you go when the wind gusts so slowing down is good unless you consider it "fun" to blow around. oh and i lean into the wind and prepare for the wind to stop and prepare to straighten up when it does. tucking in seems like less wind is able to catch me and use me as a sail or atleast i feel it less. what the "proper" technical answer is.. i dunno Daniel On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:07:29 EDT, you wrote: |>Welp, took the bike out and was blown all over the freakin place. I think |>they were calling for 20+ mph winds here in DC today. Sure felt like it. |>Anyway, the question: How do you all deal with strong winds/cross winds? |>The bottom of my bike felt like it wanted to go to the right and the top |>wanted to go left. I wanted to go sh#t. ;-) Got scared a couple times when |>the wind wanted to drive my bike but, I recovered. So, do you slow down? |>Speed up? Tuck-in? Sit up more? Anyone? Enquiring minds want to know. |> |>Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 9 22:20:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from sodium.doubled.com (sodium.doubled.com [209.84.192.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3A2K8916772 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boink.hartzler.net (IDENT:ph@XXXXXX [209.84.201.141]) by sodium.doubled.com (8.10.0.Beta6/8.10.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id e3A2IGc26929 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:18:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (IDENT:ph@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by boink.hartzler.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26642 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:13:19 -0400 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:13:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wind question In-Reply-To: <38f15ca3.861640493@smtp.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmm.. I believe it depends a lot on the bike too. From my sailing days I recall that some boats have "weather helm" which caused the boat to want to go into the wind (more upwind) when a gust hit, while other boats have "lee helm" and tend to be blown downwind in a gust. Obviously bikes aren't sailboats, but perhaps something in the bike's setup can make a difference. My old XS750 definitely would blow all over, but my Marauder seems to track fairly straight in gusty sidewinds. Or maybe I just learned how to deal with wind between those two bikes. :) Pete. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 00:55:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dragon.vcu.edu (dragon.vcu.edu [128.172.65.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3A4tf919033 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 00:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hsc.vcu.edu (207-172-53-151.s151.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.53.151]) by dragon.vcu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA2889250 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 00:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38F15E8C.BF9DCD3B@hsc.vcu.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 00:54:36 -0400 From: "David M. Lutton" Organization: George Washington University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NECCK (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 04/09/00 References: <200004092300.e39N01F13536@dirty.meretrix.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C44E95E6762F70D9E618E874" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C44E95E6762F70D9E618E874 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congrats on the YZF purchase. I have had my 600R for about seven months and I love it. In that time, I have put on about 6,000 miles commuting from Fair Oaks mall to GW Med School just about every day. Enjoy the bike, and keep the shiny side up. Dave 98 YZF600R R/W/B --------------C44E95E6762F70D9E618E874 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="dmlutton.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for David M. 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Lutton end:vcard --------------C44E95E6762F70D9E618E874-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 01:00:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3A50l919198 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA19917 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA29939 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf (surf15-37.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.37]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id BAA20685 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:00:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Summit Point Photos 4/9/00 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:00:31 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal What a damn cold/windy day it was! But any day at the races is a GOOD day! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=4310067 Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com _ .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 07:04:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3AB4f925715 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-56.patriot.net [209.249.180.56]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA00355; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:04:36 -0400 Message-ID: <38F1B45A.448A510A@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:00:42 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Hartzler CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wind question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, you have a good point. The advantage of a sailboat is that one can often *fix* the weather helm by adjusting the relative main/jib trim and/or the rigging position (mast tilt). The one item on a bike that contributes to wind instability is a clip-on windscreen. I'm not talking the itty-bitty ones that some sport bikes have, but the big mo-fos on cruisers. Take it off when the big gusty winds come and you'll see a real differance. I can tell the differance between the OEM windscreen ( big tall bug-catcher) and the shorty version I replaced it with. The ideal replacement would be a frame attached fairing. Had one, a Vetter Quicksilver, on my `81 Suzuki GS550E and that bike was solid - blasted thru the wind like a train on rails. Anyone got an H-D Road Glide fairing laying around the parts pile? Cracks, dings, and gouges acceptable. I can fix it. Bill Peter Hartzler wrote: > Hmm.. > > I believe it depends a lot on the bike too. From my sailing days I recall > that some boats have "weather helm" which caused the boat to want to go > into the wind (more upwind) when a gust hit, while other boats have "lee > helm" and tend to be blown downwind in a gust. > > Obviously bikes aren't sailboats, but perhaps something in the bike's > setup can make a difference. My old XS750 definitely would blow all over, > but my Marauder seems to track fairly straight in gusty sidewinds. Or > maybe I just learned how to deal with wind between those two bikes. :) > > Pete. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 09:51:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from herndon3.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3ADp4928777 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vienna5.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.200.68.8]) by herndon3.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06307 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm10a-142.his.com [216.200.82.142]) by vienna5.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA18513 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000410094820.00928320@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:48:20 -0400 To: From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: tire 'reserve' In-Reply-To: <000501bfa1b8$34e1a240$2fed9bcf@tra> References: <200004082301.e38N1LV21012@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:11 PM 4/8/00 -0700, Brian McCoy wrote: >And I counter with the fact that most motorcycle riders haven't seen a >racetrack live, let alone been on one for a track day or a race. I probably >have a little better chance of needing that reserve at the edge of my tires >and the softer rubber of the street tires that heat a bit more quickly. Weather or not you've been on the track & can need a reserve does not change all the goo that builds up on the outside edges of the tires of the typical street bike. Even Mick Dohan can't ride around that slick stuff. >*grin* I sure try to keep that edge clean - Well, I guess you can either keep that part clean, or you'll have to clean you underwear...:-) Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 10:48:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3AEmI929779 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA26445 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA28078; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000410104632.00a068d0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:47:55 -0400 To: "No Body" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Bought a Yamaha YZF600R In-Reply-To: <20000409032021.43733.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thomas & I live in Arlington. We're in South Arlington, closer to Bailey's Crossroads than Crystal City, but let us know when you'd like to ride. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 11:20 PM 4/8/00 -0400, No Body wrote: >Well I finally did it, I bought a YZF600. Nice blue one too, my fav color. >Rode it down from Baltimore eariler today, with no tags. Though I risk it >with my girlfriend following behind me in her car. Damn there was a lot of >wind, had to hold on tight. First time I had been on a bike for a while now, >so I didnt attempt to do anything fancy. Just glad to finally be among the >motorcycle riding public. Even ran into some nice fellow riders stuck in >traffic on New York Avenue in DC. Is anyone in here live around Arlington >(Crystal City) area, who ride on the weekend? Would love to ride with some >people to get more experience on the roads around here. > >Regards >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 10:54:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e22.nc.us.ibm.com (e22.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3AEsN929868 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e22.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19344 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:35:20 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v2.07) with SMTP id KAA45692 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:54:06 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852568BD.0051D574 ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:53:50 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852568BD.0051D1EE.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:53:39 -0400 Subject: WSB and GP broadcast schedule Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Does anyone have a current version of that TV broadcast schedule that was going around? It had race dates and broadcast dates for GP, WSB, and maybe even AMA. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '65 Norton Atlas cafe racer [soon to be Triton] project http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 10:59:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3AExh929984 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA27886 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:59:53 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330312B3@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Jeannette Zell'" , No Body , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bought a Yamaha YZF600R Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:55:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Hey (not sure of your name) I live right near you. I am off of Eads Street sort of near the McDonalds. Have a garage, tools, wax, etc if you want to come over annd wrench. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette Zell [SMTP:jzell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 10:48 AM > To: No Body; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Bought a Yamaha YZF600R > > Thomas & I live in Arlington. We're in South Arlington, closer to > Bailey's > Crossroads than Crystal City, but let us know when you'd like to ride. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > At 11:20 PM 4/8/00 -0400, No Body wrote: > >Well I finally did it, I bought a YZF600. Nice blue one too, my fav > color. > >Rode it down from Baltimore eariler today, with no tags. Though I risk it > > >with my girlfriend following behind me in her car. Damn there was a lot > of > >wind, had to hold on tight. First time I had been on a bike for a while > now, > >so I didnt attempt to do anything fancy. Just glad to finally be among > the > >motorcycle riding public. Even ran into some nice fellow riders stuck in > >traffic on New York Avenue in DC. Is anyone in here live around Arlington > > >(Crystal City) area, who ride on the weekend? Would love to ride with > some > >people to get more experience on the roads around here. > > > >Regards > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 11:00:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f29.hotmail.com [209.185.131.92]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3AF08900181 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 66039 invoked by uid 0); 10 Apr 2000 15:00:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20000410150000.66038.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:00:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wind Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:00:00 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed 1. Ride a bike with a low center of gravity that has a frame (never fork) mounted fairing. 2. Tight fitting clothes. 3. Lean bike into wind, lean forward on grips, keep weight low, squeeze tank with legs. If your wrists hurt after a spell, you've got it right. Practice. 4. Try different windshields and fairings. 5. Try without optional fairing. Any comments about which bikes are better or worse? Best: My Pacific Coast, despite (or because of?) its looks, is the best bike I've ridden in heavy winds. It tends to tilt itself just enough into a heavy wind to keep itself going in a straight line. Many owners of this bike joke about it's wind-friendly character and call it "auto-steering". I had no problem Saturday before, during or after the front blew thru. Worst: My old 1985 Honda Nighthawk-650. Bike had high center of gravity to begin with. With any fairing I tried it was nearly uncontrollable. But without a fairing, it was exhausting to ride in the wind for more than an hour. >The wind really was shotty, Sat. was my first time out riding since >December. I >was >skating down 395 and felt like a feather on a windy day moving back and >forth. >Anyone have any tips on riding with the wind?? I think I need to get a wind >resistant >jacket as mine was catching wind and jerking me around a bit. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 13:20:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3AHKu902470 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-199-198.s452.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.199.198]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12ehr9-0005LM-00; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:20:12 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re: tire 'reserve' Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:22:17 GMT Message-ID: <38f237c8.917750318@smtp.erols.com> References: <000501bfa1b8$34e1a240$2fed9bcf@tra> In-Reply-To: <000501bfa1b8$34e1a240$2fed9bcf@tra> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3AHLG902471 What is the wear indicator? the cord showing? |>changing your oil filter Every time you chain the oil, replacing tires when |>they're at the wear indicator instead of bald, etc... a little bit of From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 13:26:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay6.smtp.psi.net (relay6.smtp.psi.net [38.9.30.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3AHQm902506 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay6.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 12ehx6-00023h-00; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:26:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:24 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "VFR-digest@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Cc: "robb@XXXXXX" Subject: Galfer SS line install - 96vfr Message-ID: <20000410132308262-15808e1e@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Galfer's are on. Having never even bled brakes before this was somewhat of an undertaking. (the thought of having to to take a late nite extra cautious ride to leave the bike at the shop to have them finish my half-assed job did occur to me.) Results: I really like these things. There's a little bit of take-up in the lever then you're into solid braking. Gradual to full braking is accomplished in much smaller range of lever travel. I'd say maybe an 1" or so excluding the take-up. I also think feedback has increased. Not sure if I'd like on the rear. response can be kind of sudden. Installation: First if you dont' have an 8mm box end wrench (for bleeder valves) - get one! If you're doing it by yourself it's a necessity if you've got help it'll still make life easier. If you haven't done this before go ahead and buy 2 containers of brake fluid (12oz ea), they're cheap and it's better than running out in the middle of the process. Removing all you're lower and mid fairings would make life easier (& safer see 1 below) but isn't necessary) 1) several listers pointed out brake fluid is bad stuff for paint & wheels. spray down body work, lay a wet towel over tank and flat part of upper right fairing (where you'll be pouring fluid into reservoir). keep a wet towel/sponge and bucket of water handy for occasional wipe down if you get some fluid on other bodywork/rims 2) Removing old lines: Pull line from loops holding in place along middle of forks (better now than when the ends are loose so you don't fling fluid around from open line ends) Open bleeder valves one at a time & pump the lever to get out whatever fluid you can. Get the junction from the crossover line to the lower right line started while everything else is still fastened, there's some loctite type stuff and you'll have to break it loose. two pliers will work but open-end wrenches would've been easier. If you've already unfastened on the left side the whole thing wants to rotate making life that much harder. Anyway get that thing started and the rest is all pretty easy. The spring clip holding the lower right line into the bracket just takes a little persuasion - I used a screwdriver and a rubber mallet tapping lightly and alternating sides. line layout & removal order is like this (looking head-on) [_] 6 ! ! \ \ 1,3 __\ 4 ! ! 2 ! ! 5 3) installing new lines Galfer's are dual lines. one has both Banjo bolts slightly bent, the other has a bent & a straight. The bolt for the reservoir is correspondingly longer than stock. The only way I see they'll work is with the straight banjo closest to reservoir on top. I don't really think it matters which way you plumb the lines. As someone just pointed out the Galfer's are made to allow the banjo bolts to turn on the lines somewhat (didn't know this but fortunately wasn't an issue). I'll repeat a little of what they shared. Plumb one line at a time and see that you're banjo bolts line up w/ the securing bolt. If not, remove the line grasp both banjo bolts and turn. There will be resistance but they'll eventually turn. You're supposed to hold the banjos not the line and do not use tools. Once all lines are plumbed you can start the securing bolts in. If you're not real worried about a perfect appearance you can plumb the right line through the existing bracket as the banjo diameter is just slightly smaller than stock. It'll be loose but you can make a grommet if you want. (more on securing later) GOTCHA - you'll need to loosen the reservoir/lever assembly clamp and allow it to rotate just slightly (maybe 1-2 mm). There's no noticeable change in reaching or working the lever. The Galfer banjos are just slightly longer than stock and there was too much resistance trying to screw them in because the one closer to the reservoir was levered between the appendage built onto the reservoir and the clamp of the clip-on. The lines are slightly shorter than stock so you can put them through the top 2 bracket/loops that held in place but they won't reach to the bottom-most. I just bent it aside out of the way so neither line would catch in it with the forks bottomed out then get caught in it and yank something loose as the forks back up. 4) Bleeding - I'll keep it brief cuz I assume most of y'all know what you're doing but I was working on trial and error. You don't need the cover on the reservoir to bleed the brakes. The inside of the banjo bolts don't sit right against the securing bolt but are slightly hollowed out. This means when you first put it together it's a great place for air bubbles at the TOP of the line. In order to effectively bleed you've got to flush the line you're working on in relatively short order as new brake fluid is fairly thin and air bubbles will just keep hiding up top if you're too slow. That being said, keep an eye on your reservoir level. It sucks to think "yeah, i think I've got it" just as you here a SSlurp cuz you let the fluid go down and you sucked air in. DOH! 5) securing the lines. I wasn't too worried about a factory installed appearance, most people just don't look that close and it's the better performance I wanted. Right lower - as i said you can feed it through the existing bracket Left lower - I put a zip-tie through the screw hole on the existing bracket where the splitter had been attached and effectively lashed into place against the L bent onto the outer edge of the bracket. Upper - one zip tie around both lines in the middle of the three bracket/loops. There you have it. I also pulled the passenger pegs this weekend. Really cleans up the lines of the rear. Following advice from JB and a few others I just removed the entire left peg and seat latch assembly. I zip tied the cable in place so it doesn't sneak up under the fairing. Someone else said they had taken a piece a plastic, cut a groove for the line and stuck it on the end for better grip. I just fed the cable end partway through a metal keyring loop (like putting a key on halfway). Don't know if it'll stay but I tried w/out it and it's still easy to operate so as long as it doesn't get up under the fairing i'm not concerned. keep the shiny side up! Rob 96vfr PS re: the recent discussion on NACA ducts. Anyone think they can make one to retrofit into right rear fairing over the reg/rect? From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 15:19:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3AJJ9904380 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000410174223.6015.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [136.242.149.149] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:42:23 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:42:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Galfer SS line install - 96vfr To: Rob Bell , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Rob Bell wrote: > The Galfer's are on. > Not sure if I'd like on the rear. response can be > kind of sudden. There's no need for SS brake lines on the rear of any bike, IMO.....just a waste of cash for the sake of symmetry. Nice writeup on the process....this list could always use more stuff like this. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 15:26:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3AJQS904502 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000410174534.6718.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [136.242.149.149] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:45:34 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:45:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: tire 'reserve' To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There should be little rectangular bumps down in the tread which let you know your gettin close to done when you reach them. --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > What is the wear indicator? the cord showing? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 16:35:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3AKZM905772 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norc (dyn05.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net [206.246.117.134]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id QAA05423 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:35:18 -0400 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000410163512.00b6b8f0@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:35:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: WSB and GP broadcast schedule In-Reply-To: <852568BD.0051D1EE.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Rich, Check the front page of http://www.cyclenews.com Andrew At 10:53 AM 4/10/00 -0400, rcrishoc@XXXXXX wrote: >Does anyone have a current version of that TV broadcast schedule that was >going around? It had race dates and broadcast dates for GP, WSB, and maybe >even AMA. From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 19:11:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3ANBl908411 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.fb.44c26a1 (4324); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:11:29 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:11:29 EDT Subject: RE: Wind question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, exup@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 100 Thanks to all that replied. A lot of good advice. I think tucking in and slowing down will be my strategy. I'll even try the "putting the knee out" trick. Moving out of DC will be my last resort though. ;-) Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 19:47:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3ANl3909064 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 12entN-00037e-00; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:46:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:45 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Wind Message-ID: <20000410194302928-439af4@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What to do? IMHO: hang on and remember that your bike is *really* unlikely to get knocked out from under you. Think how far these things can lean in a turn. More importantly, when you get uncomfortable or scared - PULL OVER! We all know from statistics that the vast majority of single cycle crashes are rider error. Most of these are the result of putting oneself in a situation where you don't feel confident and then overreacting to something. The most important piece of eqpmt w/ any cycle is your brain, pls use it. parking someone suggested waiting it out and taking some Z's. good idea, one thing make sure you've got you're bike in a spot protected from the wind. whenever it's windy you're better off using the sidestand because of the wider footprint. For those of you new to the list who park outside a suggestion came around last year when the hurricane was predicted this way. (actually may have come from a southern lister on the VFRlist) Someone put the bike on its centerstand, bolted a pair of 2x4s onto the bottom of the centerstand perpendicular to the long axis of the bike, tied from the bottom of the centerstand to the forks (to keep it from folding up). reported the bike got moved several feet but was still upright next AM. Keep the shiny side up! Rob - 96vfr From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 20:40:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3B0e7909828 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-242-68.s322.tnt10.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.242.68] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12eoin-00018H-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:40:01 -0400 Message-ID: <001801bfa34d$d7a09d60$44f2a4d8@oemcomputer> From: "Simon Cook" To: Subject: New to list Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:35:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFA32C.4FBC6B20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFA32C.4FBC6B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anybody ride in the Silver Spring area.Looking for good weekend = rides to test my 96 Triumph Trident 900,play safe. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFA32C.4FBC6B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anybody ride in the Silver Spring = area.Looking=20 for good weekend rides to test my 96 Triumph Trident 900,play=20 safe.
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFA32C.4FBC6B20-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 21:24:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3B1Oq910855 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMHGFH@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.64.1aa5671 (3985) for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:24:30 -0400 (EDT) From: RMHGFH@XXXXXX Message-ID: <64.1aa5671.2623d8ce@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:24:30 EDT Subject: Motorcycle insurance To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70 Greetings, I'm looking to find another company to insure my '93 BMW R100R. I moved here to DC from Chicago, and Progressive told me that they do not insure bikes in DC due to unusually high claims here. Any suggestions for a cost effective company and their contact numbers? Thanks, John INSURANCE STATS: age, 27 yrs exp, 9 bike, 93 R100R storage, locked garage moving violations, none single From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 21:28:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3B1SS910952 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.50.3d95404 (9666) for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:27:54 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: <50.3d95404.2623d999@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:27:53 EDT Subject: Re: New to list To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 In a message dated 4/10/00 8:49:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, simoncook@XXXXXX writes: << Does anybody ride in the Silver Spring area.Looking for good weekend rides to test my 96 Triumph Trident 900,play safe. >> Hi Simon I live in Chevy chase not far from SS. Let me know when you want to Ride, I know some good twisties to waste some rubber! Richard From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 21:53:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3B1rO911363 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-174.patriot.net [209.249.180.174]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA20439; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:53:19 -0400 Message-ID: <38F284A6.3611BC76@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:49:26 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RMHGFH@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle insurance References: <64.1aa5671.2623d8ce@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holy Moley! Are you talkin about the Progressive that advertises in practically every M/C mag out there? Buncha wimps. I'd get on the phone and call around. I have my insurance with State Farm - in Virginia. Full coverage and full replacement value on a Harley for $350 something/yr. No, I didn't shop around. I have all my insurance with the same agent and smooth service is my wants. The only insurance strike I see for you is *single*. Course, getting hitched to save a few a few bucks on insurance is downright silly. You'd lose the saving on her first trip to the beauty salon. Hahahahaha... Why am I laughing? Bill hitched and a regular tither to the holy shrine of the hair cuttery. Amen RMHGFH@XXXXXX wrote: > Greetings, > I'm looking to find another company to insure my '93 BMW R100R. I moved here > to DC from Chicago, and Progressive told me that they do not insure bikes in > DC due to unusually high claims here. Any suggestions for a cost effective > company and their contact numbers? Thanks, John > INSURANCE STATS: > age, 27 > yrs exp, 9 > bike, 93 R100R > storage, locked garage > moving violations, none > single From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 22:33:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3B2XP911972 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from winnie (user-2ivelia.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.86.74]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA19244; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003d01bfa35d$1e082700$4a56f7a5@winnie> Reply-To: "Ryn" From: "Ryn" To: "Bill Huson" , Cc: References: <64.1aa5671.2623d8ce@aol.com> <38F284A6.3611BC76@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Motorcycle insurance Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:24:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I use All State and pay $200 a year for my 95 YZF with full replacement coverage. I do not have any tickets or accidents though. my .02 Ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: Cc: Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 9:49 PM Subject: Re: Motorcycle insurance Holy Moley! Are you talkin about the Progressive that advertises in practically every M/C mag out there? Buncha wimps. I'd get on the phone and call around. I have my insurance with State Farm - in Virginia. Full coverage and full replacement value on a Harley for $350 something/yr. No, I didn't shop around. I have all my insurance with the same agent and smooth service is my wants. The only insurance strike I see for you is *single*. Course, getting hitched to save a few a few bucks on insurance is downright silly. You'd lose the saving on her first trip to the beauty salon. Hahahahaha... Why am I laughing? Bill hitched and a regular tither to the holy shrine of the hair cuttery. Amen RMHGFH@XXXXXX wrote: > Greetings, > I'm looking to find another company to insure my '93 BMW R100R. I moved here > to DC from Chicago, and Progressive told me that they do not insure bikes in > DC due to unusually high claims here. Any suggestions for a cost effective > company and their contact numbers? Thanks, John > INSURANCE STATS: > age, 27 > yrs exp, 9 > bike, 93 R100R > storage, locked garage > moving violations, none > single From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 22:51:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f13.hotmail.com [216.32.181.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3B2pG912294 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43927 invoked by uid 0); 11 Apr 2000 02:51:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000411025106.43926.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 151.200.15.206 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:51:06 PDT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.15.206] From: "No Body" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Riding jackets and cyberpunk Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:51:06 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed So are sport bike riding jackets supposed to cost 400 dollars, and look like something out of a cyberpunk movie? Just wondering. I dont really mind the cyberpunk part. Regards ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 23:17:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3B3HQ912693 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling2-57.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FSU00H9T13GPN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:17:17 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: DC Cycles Racers at Summit - Results To: DC Cycles Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <38F2993A.C06A79E2@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,pdf This past weekend (April 8-9 2000) was a good one for the various members of the list that raced w/ WERA at Summit Point. The results in brief: Brian Roach: 1st, Formula 2 (Brian's first career victory), 3rd D-Superbike, 2nd Heavyweight Twins. Randy Moran: 1st Heavyweight Twins, 1st Lightweight twins, 19th C-Superbike. Brad Faas made excellent progress at his second career race weekend, but poorly functioning brakes put a damper on his results; he'll be back. Danny Thompson: Came up early for a Monday track day date and wound up saving Randy Moran's weekend bacon after a pretty nasty crash. His repair work and advice was spectacular. A few listers, among them John Newman and Hugh Caldwell, worked the corners with MARRC, providing an invaluable service to those racing. This at great inconvenience to themselves; It was freaking cold and windy to be standing around all day. A huge thanks from all the racers for your efforts. That's all I have. Please forgive me if I forgot anyone or misspelled names. I've posted my lengthy version of events as I saw them at http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/apr_8_9.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 10 23:18:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhop1.nyroc.rr.com (mailhop1-0.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.120]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3B3Ii912703 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout1.nyroc.rr.com ([24.92.226.146]) by mailhop1.nyroc.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:15:23 -0400 Received: from duck-900 ([24.93.31.183]) by mailout1.nyroc.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with SMTP id com; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:13:57 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Rob Hewitt" To: , , Subject: RE: [EXUP] RE: Wind question Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:20:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfa364$ee018f80$b71f5d18@duck-900.rochester.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I highly recommend tucking and nailing the gas. This will decrease the resultant factor of the wind on your trajectory. I wonder if the judge will believe in Physics as much as I do!! :-) -----Original Message----- From: exup@XXXXXX [mailto:exup@XXXXXX]On Behalf Of ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 7:11 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; exup@XXXXXX Subject: [EXUP] RE: Wind question Thanks to all that replied. A lot of good advice. I think tucking in and slowing down will be my strategy. I'll even try the "putting the knee out" trick. Moving out of DC will be my last resort though. ;-) Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) __________________________________________________________________________ Find over 10,000 products from 18 manufacturers! visit www.cyclemall.net! __________________________________________________________________________ For list administration, visit www.exupbrotherhood.com, select "The List" From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 01:17:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3B5H9914608 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id x.ba.3f1776a (4329); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:16:58 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:16:57 EDT Subject: Re: [EXUP] RE: Wind question To: buddybob@XXXXXX, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, exup@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 4/10/00 11:30:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, buddybob@XXXXXX writes: > I highly recommend tucking and nailing the gas. This will decrease the > resultant factor of the wind on your trajectory. I wonder if the judge will > believe in Physics as much as I do!! Speaking from the experience of Summit Point this weekend... hogwash :) Getting hit by a strong crosswind at 140mph is SCARY. Especially when the braking zone for turn one is about 100 yards ahead of you. You have less time to react to wind induced directional input the faster you are going. Tucking does help... so does removing the lowers on your bike. Praying may also help, but I was too busy screaming obscenities in my helmet to try that. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 07:14:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3BBEb921038 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA28366 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA14799 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA00982 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:15:01 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Summit Point Photos 4/9 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:14:03 -0400 Message-ID: <003001bfa3a7$0b8fc2a0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal I apologize if I already sent this. I'm having a Senior moment. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=4310067 What a windy day it was. Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 07:37:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3BBbb921450 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id j.bc.39c65f6 (4248); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:37:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:37:17 EDT Subject: Re: DC Cycles Racers at Summit - Results To: jmoran@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 In a message dated 4/10/00 11:19:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmoran@XXXXXX writes: << This past weekend (April 8-9 2000) was a good one for the various members of the list that raced w/ WERA at Summit Point. The results in brief: >> Well, I stalled at the start and left a little later than the rest of the field (about 30 seconds), but I didn't finish last (caught a guy on the last lap0 though the RD was misfiring around the track in the rain it didn't blow up. Jeesh, us 2-stroke guys get no respect. :-) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 07:39:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3BBds921483 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling2-51.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FSU00MK7OD3HV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:39:56 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Re: DC Cycles Racers at Summit - Results To: Boiade@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <38F30F05.B1CBA598@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,pdf References: Sorry, Fred. I forgot you because I was trying to erase Saturday completely from my memory. Randy Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 4/10/00 11:19:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jmoran@XXXXXX writes: > > << This past weekend (April 8-9 2000) was a good one for the various > members of the list that raced w/ WERA at Summit Point. The results in > brief: > >> > > Well, I stalled at the start and left a little later than the rest of the > field (about 30 seconds), but I didn't finish last (caught a guy on the last > lap0 though the RD was misfiring around the track in the rain it didn't blow > up. Jeesh, us 2-stroke guys get no respect. :-) > > Ciao, > > Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 08:34:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3BCYn922782 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-175.patriot.net [209.249.180.175]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA29645; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:34:44 -0400 Message-ID: <38F31AF8.CB481DEB@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:30:48 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: No Body CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding jackets and cyberpunk References: <20000411025106.43926.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's the sportbike styling, dude. Duds with built in body armor and in an assortmant of wild colors not ordinarily found in nature. The really kewl dudes get duds that compliment with the color scheme of thier bike. You could reduce the color choice factor by swapping the sportbike for a Harley. Official H-D duds - black leather. Simple. And yes, $400 is in the decent biker jacket range. Bill No Body wrote: > So are sport bike riding jackets supposed to cost 400 dollars, and look like > something out of a cyberpunk movie? Just wondering. I dont really mind the > cyberpunk part. > > Regards > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 08:44:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.nai.com (relay2.nai.com [161.69.3.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3BCiU923244 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webshield2.na.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by relay2.nai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA00771 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 05:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: FROM na-ex-bridge2.nai.com BY webshield2.na.nai.com ; Tue Apr 11 05:47:10 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2J2BJH0Y>; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 05:44:10 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2B7B@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Simon Cook'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New to list Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 05:39:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Simon, I'm up in Gaithersburg. Lots of nice roads North and West of your location... Perry -----Original Message----- From: Simon Cook [mailto:simoncook@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 8:36 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New to list Does anybody ride in the Silver Spring area.Looking for good weekend rides to test my 96 Triumph Trident 900,play safe. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 09:22:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3BDMF924670 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.11.284dafd (1840) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:22:03 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: <11.284dafd.262480fb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:22:03 EDT Subject: Re: Motorcycle insurance To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 I have Allstate for all of my insurance coverages (auto, bike, renter's) and pay @ $400/year for complete coverage. Single, 23, 1 "no fault" auto accident. YMMV. Rob 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 09:55:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3604.mail.yahoo.com (web3604.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3BDtd925161 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000411135736.20410.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.7] by web3604.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:57:36 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:57:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle insurance To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Amazing, I used to have Allstate but dumped them after they told me it was going to cost me $6100.00 to fully insure my new at the time 98 VFR. I already had two automobiles insured with them. I have a couple speeding tickets but I've never had a claim with any auto related insurance company. Oh and at that time I was 28. Glenn --- NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > I have Allstate for all of my insurance coverages > (auto, bike, renter's) and > pay @ $400/year for complete coverage. Single, 23, 1 > "no fault" auto > accident. YMMV. > > Rob > 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 10:04:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3BE4N925320 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.ac.398984e (4587) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:04:15 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:04:15 EDT Subject: Re: Motorcycle insurance To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 Ooops, one thing I left out. I live out in Fredneck, MD. That effects things quite a bit. My insurance was double what it is now when I was in Oxon Hill, MD (just outside DC). Still, that would only add up to around $800 for my bike. My Moto Guzzi is considered a "tourer." Type and engine size have a significant effect on insurance. Rob From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 10:18:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3BEID925584 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id i.79.2e25419 (4334); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:17:47 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <79.2e25419.26248e0a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:17:46 EDT Subject: Re: Riding jackets and cyberpunk To: kewlgt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 In a message dated 4/10/2000 10:55:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kewlgt@XXXXXX writes: << So are sport bike riding jackets supposed to cost 400 dollars, and look like something out of a cyberpunk movie? Just wondering. I dont really mind the cyberpunk part. Regards >> Yes and yes. :-) Try www.leatherexchange.com or www.newenough.com. Both sell used leathers and are really good people. leatherexchange is run by a fellow lister here in the DC area. Scooter Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 10:23:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from awcst094.netaddress.usa.net (awcst094.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.94]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3BENM925675 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14029 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2000 14:22:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20000411142231.14028.qmail@awcst094.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.94 by awcst094 for [162.70.131.75] via web-mailer(M3.4.4.4) on Tue Apr 11 14:22:31 GMT 2000 Date: 11 Apr 00 10:22:31 EDT From: Linda Tanner To: Subject: New bike? was insurance X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.4.4.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3BENP925676 So, Rob, what happened to Swamp Thing? congrats on the new bike. LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 12:37:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3BGbi928025 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.43.33c5b48 (4470) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:37:26 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: <43.33c5b48.2624aec5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:37:25 EDT Subject: Re: New bike? was insurance To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 The Swamp Thing has moved on to a new owner. I'd been looking for a larger bike for some time. I visited lots of dealers and test rode bikes if the dealership would let me. I liked the looks of the Guzzis because they're different. Definitely NOT a Harley wannabe. :) I convinced Carl at Winchester Indian to let me take a test ride, and ended up buying the very bike I rode. Except for dealer prep miles and the miles put on at the factory, I'm the only rider. It's a great feeling! I wanted to keep the old Shadow, but it quickly became obvious the Guzzi could do everything better than the Shadow. I sold the Shadow to a friend of a friend in Ohio before I could rethink my decision. I've been told the Guzzis are comparable to Beemers in reliability. The kicker is it's an air-cooled, pushrod V-twin. Rob 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 13:12:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3BHCP928627 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1214 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2000 17:12:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000411171221.1213.qmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:12:21 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:12:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Sweet pic link To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Got this from the race list... guy is selling a set of R7 sharkskinz. Currently it's on an FZR frame (no idea what motor he's got stuffed in there... looks interesting..) Says it includes the belly pan... so if any of you FZR400 owners want some nifty looking bodywork, take a look at this: http://users.redrivernet.com/racer416/images/s_aut_1161.jpg Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 14:16:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e24.nc.us.ibm.com (e24.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3BIGO929697 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e24.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08330 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:04:12 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v2.07) with SMTP id OAA23582 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:16:19 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852568BE.00645E2D ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:16:17 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852568BE.00642B56.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:14:04 -0400 Subject: Now "Winchester Motosport" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Speaking of Winchester Indian, apparently California Clones, er, I mean Indian Motorcycles made poor Carl change the name of his shop. The postcard says "Winchester Motosport" They are having their open house this Saturday. I went last year, and it was a good time. Hot dogs, old bikes, demo rides (on the new bikes)... Don't know if I can make it this year; I'm supposed to help my cousin move. Maybe I'll show up late. for more info, phone: (540)722-2688, or just show up: Route 81 Exit 321 Hopewell Rd, Clear Brook, VA 22624 Rich (not affiliated...) '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet (bought from Carl) '65 Norton Atlas cafe racer [soon to be Triton] project http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 15:13:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f98.hotmail.com [216.32.181.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3BJD9900723 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60278 invoked by uid 0); 11 Apr 2000 19:13:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000411191301.60277.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 151.200.135.241 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:13:01 PDT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.135.241] From: "Deitra L. Jackson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Freshen Up! Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:13:01 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Help! My bike (which spent the winter covered up in a back yard) needs to be "de-wintered" and I don't know where to take it or how much the process would cost. I don't have the space where I live presently to do it myself. Would someone please e-mail me some suggestions? Deitra L. Jackson aka ProudMom Lady Hawks M/C of MD 1989 Suzuki GS500E aka DreamWeaver AMA #681266 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 15:25:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3BJPf900929 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.77.2e94614 (3926) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:25:26 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: <77.2e94614.2624d625@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:25:25 EDT Subject: Re: Riding jackets and cyberpunk To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 In a message dated 4/10/00 10:55:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kewlgt@XXXXXX writes: << So are sport bike riding jackets supposed to cost 400 dollars, and look like something out of a cyberpunk movie? Just wondering. I dont really mind the cyberpunk part. Regards >> $400, is a little cheap. Make sure it has some armour on critical parts, ie elbow and knees, Looks are for the most part to be highly visible to everyone and everything. You do want everyone to notice you on your bike!!!. Shop around I am sure you will find one to your taste. Good Luck and Safe Riding. RMC From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 15:48:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3BJm8901367 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.6b.310f720 (3974) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:47:48 -0400 (EDT) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6b.310f720.2624db63@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:47:47 EDT Subject: Re: DC Cycles Racers at Summit - Results To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 40 Damn, I guess if don't pit with you guys I'm out of the club. My luck wasn't so good as the rest of you. I had mechanical problems (contaminated fuel) on Saturday not to mention being pulled off the starting grid for not having my oil filler cap saftey wired (yeah I know..). But a BIG thanks to the guys for getting me wired and back on the track missing only two laps. I had to off road it at about 40 mph to get back to the pits. You guys were great. Thank you very much!! The bike ran very poorly on the solo 20 and it had about a 50% power loss in low and middle range. After dumping the tank and changing the fuel filter on Sunday we found that missing HP. I had a lousy start from the the second wave but made decent progress for only the 3rd or 4th time ever being on the bike. I was fortunate enough to wind up behind Randy on his SV and man is he smooth! After the race I noticed my right boot was completely drenched in oil. I decided that once again I had gotten away lucky and chose to sit the last one out. I had a lot fun and it was great to see everyone at the track. Maybe next time Collin will be there. To all the guys in Heavyweight twins, Stand by.. I'll be there next time. See ya, Jeff From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 16:05:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3BK5o901684 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:05:17 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:05:17 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:05:10 -0400 Message-Id: <38F3852F.5683CE44@trw.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:04:09 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MOTO748@XXXXXX CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Cycles Racers at Summit - Results References: <6b.310f720.2624db63@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, Jeff. I guess I was trying to forget how bad you abused me in C-Super. : ) I'm gonna bring a sign-in sheet to the next race so I can make sure I have everyone's name before I send any posts. Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com MOTO748@XXXXXX wrote: > Damn, I guess if don't pit with you guys I'm out of the club. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 16:08:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3BK8O901704 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.b1.2fa7d6f (3974); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:08:10 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:08:10 EDT Subject: Re: DC Cycles Racers at Summit - Results To: MOTO748@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 102 In a message dated 4/11/00 3:50:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MOTO748@XXXXXX writes: > I guess if don't pit with you guys I'm out of the club. Ugh... with everything going on this weekend I barely knew what I was doing, nevermind what everyone else was up to. I think for the next event we should relocate the DC-Cycles Pit so we have more room... gonna be a full house with Brad, Leonard (Brad's friend), Randy, Danny, Myself, Jeff, Hugh possibly (borrowing my old FZR for the race school at the next CCS), Fred, etc. Jeez.... lots of racing going on! Also... I shouldn't get stuck at speedwerks before going to the track next time, and maybe even show up before dark (Shut up Faas, I don't want to hear it! ;) ) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 16:47:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aw164.netaddress.usa.net (aw164.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.64]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3BKlA902354 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27127 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2000 20:47:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000411204706.27126.qmail@aw164.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.64 by aw164 for [162.70.131.75] via web-mailer(M3.4.4.4) on Tue Apr 11 20:47:06 GMT 2000 Date: 11 Apr 00 16:47:06 EDT From: Linda Tanner To: Subject: Re:Freshen Up! X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.4.4.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3BKlv902355 Well, what you have to do now is dependent on what you did before you parked it. The winterizing list usually includes an oil change, some Stabil in the tank and/or draining the float bowls. If you did those things, then you probably only have to put gas in it, charge your battery and take off. If not, you still may be alright. First off, charge your battery. A Battery Tender is good for this as it won't overcook a battery, but I hear it won't do a thing for a thoroughly dead battery. You may want to drain your tank, as months old gas may not be too good. My suggestion would be to try and start it and see what you get. If it won't crank and no headlight, then your battery is dead but may easily recharge depending on its age. If it cranks but won't start, then you may need to have your carbs cleaned. There are lots of other possibilities, but try and let us know what happens. LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 16:52:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3BKqN902444 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-33-12.s12.tnt8.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.33.12]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12f7e0-0001xB-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:52:20 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unrebuildable FLA salvage title Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:55:00 GMT Message-ID: <38f3bb20.28268350@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3BKqP902445 a friend of mine wants to know if an unrebuildable fla salvage title bike can be registered in MD. anyone know? I'm pretty sure the MVA phone # is busy. :) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 19:37:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web304.mail.yahoo.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3BNbu905149 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17366 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2000 23:37:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20000411233753.17365.qmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:37:53 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:37:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Motorcycle Jackets and Cyberpunks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well.. depends on the jacket... some go for much much more than $400... For high quality very slightly used (and some new) stuff, check out Colleen Bray's website: http://www.leatherexchange.com or contact her at motorle@XXXXXX Myself and others on the list have been very happy with purchases from her... Or... You can contact one of the guys that sponsors me (and other DCC racing types)... His name is Duane Griffith of Dixie Cycles. Call him after 5:30pm at (318) 368-7266 (new number). He's done Brian McCoy, myself, and a few others some incredible deals on gear. Be sure to mention me specifically and he will treat you better (I'm a routine helmet and gear buyer, so he takes care of those I send to him) Good luck.. and always buy the best gear that you can afford... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 19:52:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3BNqO905409 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5532 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2000 23:52:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20000411235222.5531.qmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:52:22 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:52:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: nonrebuild title To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I doubt it Daniel...For most states out there.. once insurance weenies designate it a "non-rebuildable" then you can't ever register it again...my race bike is like that... all it had was plastic damage... not a scratch on the metal and they gave it no rebuild.. hence I was able to buy it dirt cheap...I hear there are certain states out there that don't recognize that third type of title (ie they only have a "clean" title or "salvage" title) and supposedly you can register via one of those states... Been too lazy to investigate, but may do that towards the end of race season when it's time to sell and upgrade :) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 20:21:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3C0LZ905889 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts014d46.phx-az1.concentric.net [207.155.238.202] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:21:23 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Jackets and WERA races.. Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:20:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bfa414$f19888f0$caee9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 People.. if you're paying over $400 for a new, top of the line leather jacket With armor, you're NUTS. I got a Vanson Pro-Perf W/ full armor inserts for $415 shipped to my door last fall (NOT on close-out or anything.. normal deal). Same guy has been getting DC-Cycles (Collin notably) helmets for WAY under what you'd find in a shop.. Yes, Duane Grifith of Dixie Cycles - (don't have a current e-mail address, they've rearanged - but his phone # is (318) 368-7266). Call him, get your deals, and let him know that Brian McCoy (or DC-Cycyles racing - I suppose that'll still work) sent you his way.. He treated everyone that I talked to VERY well. If anyone ends up with his e-mail addy, could you please forward it to me? Thanks Racing.. LMFAO!! Roach, when do you EVER make it to the track on time.. or even CLOSE to on time? LOL!!! Congrats to the people who finished well, and to Faas.. Sorry to hear of the problems Jeff (heh, if I woulda been there, things would have been better.. I assure you) and Fred.. Damnit, I'm missing out on SP racing, but I have CCS/PACE races this weekend - time to corner-work again (Sat only.. hitting the mountains Sunday to get away from this damn 90 degree heat wave)..... Hope all else is well.. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 20:25:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3C0Pd905906 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.27.41be65a (4598) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:25:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <27.41be65a.26251c75@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:25:25 EDT Subject: Summit Point To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 In a message dated 4/11/00 3:50:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MOTO748@XXXXXX writes: A nationally known racer was at Summit, Dave Roper. The guy is amazing, he races a Velocette Thruxton (a 500cc 4-Stroke single from the 60s). He started in the second wave in a combined class which had the supposedly "faster" (Formula RD for un-modified RDs) class than his (I think his is middle-weight classic). He started in the second wave and I watched him as he came around the track (I race Formula 500 thank goodness I am in a much "faster" class). Obviously slower on the straight, he was gaining on the number 1 number plate RD. By the 4th lap he was in first by 100 yds and by the end of the race his closest competitor was another old big single 4-stroke about the whole straight behind. Dave used to race for Team Obsolete before they had a falling out with AHRMA. He raced MV Agusta GP triples and fours and won national championships consistently. I think he also raced in Europe when Team Obsolete was riding high. He was running less than 2 seconds slower than the faster modern bikes at Summit Saturday in the rain. His comment at the "what do we do coach" rider's meeting was "Power Corrupts", when he was told what he was lapping at. I am sure that if he could get his hands on one of those old GP MV Agustas again he would set the lap record at Summit. Anyway, if any of you get to Summit as spectators you should go to the carousel side and watch him, no. 711, he is so smooth. It appears as if he keeps a constant speed through the corners and the straights and uses little brake (actually his Velocette probably doesn't have much braking ability). Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 20:28:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3C0Si906014 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id r.76.2e0e529 (4598); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:28:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <76.2e0e529.26251d16@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:28:06 EDT Subject: Re: nonrebuild title To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 << I hear there are certain states out there that don't recognize that third type of title (ie they only have a "clean" title or "salvage" title) and supposedly you can register via one of those states >> Alabama is the State where you can title anything if it is a certain number of years old. Hemmings Motor News has advertisements for this less than above board "service". Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 21:14:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3C1Es906713 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-214-152.s406.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.214.152] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12fBk6-00044h-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:14:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bfa41b$df330bc0$98d67ad1@oemcomputer> From: "Simon Cook" To: Subject: Avons Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:10:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFA3FA.55267B40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFA3FA.55267B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a set of Avon Azaros on my 96 Trident 900 and I've had no = problems so far but I've heard some bad stories on these tires including = some dealers who refuse to stock them.Anybody have any comments before I = persuade myself to go get a set of Dunlops,or do I infact have good = tires.What is a good tire for a big standard,I think the Azaro is a = sport tire. Regards Simon ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFA3FA.55267B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a set of Avon Azaros on my 96 = Trident 900=20 and I've had no problems so far but I've heard some bad stories on these = tires=20 including some dealers who refuse to stock them.Anybody have any = comments before=20 I persuade myself to go get a set of Dunlops,or do I infact have good = tires.What=20 is a good tire for a big standard,I think the Azaro is a sport=20 tire.
Regards = Simon
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFA3FA.55267B40-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 21:19:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3C1JI906808 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id n.34.3b5168e (4261); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:19:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <34.3b5168e.26252905@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:19:01 EDT Subject: Re: Avons To: simoncook@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 In a message dated 4/11/00 9:17:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, simoncook@XXXXXX writes: << I've heard some bad stories on these tires including some dealers who refuse to stock them >> I use Avons on my racebike and so do others, I think. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 21:23:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3C1Nu906905 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-214-152.s406.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.214.152] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12fBss-0005o8-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:23:58 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bfa41d$230b1940$98d67ad1@oemcomputer> From: "Simon Cook" To: Subject: re.Avons Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:19:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01BFA3FB.9A0375A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BFA3FB.9A0375A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable are you one of those racers I watched at Summit at the weekend.I dont = know how you do it in that weather,I drove the car to the track it was = so crappy.Very entertaining though,loved it. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BFA3FB.9A0375A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
are you one of those racers I watched = at Summit at=20 the weekend.I dont know how you do it in that weather,I drove the car to = the=20 track it was so crappy.Very entertaining though,loved=20 it.
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BFA3FB.9A0375A0-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 21:42:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3C1gp907249 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id n.42.3f623c5 (4261); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:42:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <42.3f623c5.26252e67@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:41:59 EDT Subject: Re: re.Avons To: simoncook@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 In a message dated 4/11/00 9:25:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, simoncook@XXXXXX writes: << are you one of those racers I watched at Summit at the weekend >> << are you one of those racers I watched at Summit at the weekend >> Yes, I was one of those idiots. Thankfully a fellow racer lent me a rainsuit to go over my leathers. I was the guy in orange running around the track. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 22:25:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3C2PI907869 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-254-161.s161.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.254.161] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12fCqG-00033a-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:25:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bfa425$b808e880$a1fe7ad1@oemcomputer> From: "Simon Cook" To: Subject: re avons at summit Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:20:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01BFA404.2E37DA60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BFA404.2E37DA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable do you race ccs aswell,I'll be watching that in a couple of = weeks,weather nicer I hope. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BFA404.2E37DA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
do you race ccs aswell,I'll be watching = that in a=20 couple of weeks,weather nicer I hope.
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BFA404.2E37DA60-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 22:33:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3C2Xe908029 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id n.1c.22fda74 (4261); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:33:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1c.22fda74.26253a77@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:33:27 EDT Subject: Re: re avons at summit To: simoncook@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 In a message dated 4/11/00 10:27:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, simoncook@XXXXXX writes: << do you race ccs aswell,I' >> No I don't. But I am going to be there on the Friday before the CCS races for the MAARC Track Day. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 11 23:21:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3C3LO908846 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-254-161.s161.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.254.161] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12fDiZ-0004BP-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:21:27 -0400 Message-ID: <001201bfa42d$8e648860$a1fe7ad1@oemcomputer> From: "Simon Cook" To: Subject: Winchester open house Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:15:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFA40B.C8EE01E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFA40B.C8EE01E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable anybody riding out to Clearbrook on Saturday for the Winchester Indian = open house?I'm looking for a trip through Virginia twisties but its = unknown ground for me. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFA40B.C8EE01E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
anybody riding out to Clearbrook on = Saturday for=20 the Winchester Indian open house?I'm looking for a trip through Virginia = twisties but its unknown ground for me.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFA40B.C8EE01E0-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 08:55:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CCtU919140 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id IAA29304 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000412085911.007b02a0@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:59:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: aggressive driving in MD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anybody out there know the rules in Maryland about flashing the brights to get a slower car in front of you to move over? The exact wording of the law would be helpful. No, I am not in trouble for doing this! Lisa From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 09:10:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CDAM919403 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA03839; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <010e01bfa480$7b5747f0$9307a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "Deitra L. Jackson" Cc: "D.C. Cycles" References: <20000411191301.60277.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Freshen Up! Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:10:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Deitra, Hello, I would recommend the following: Check the tires for dry rot, visual and touch Check the air pressure Change the oil and filter Flush the cooling system Drain the carburator floats Check the brakes / brake lines Check the tightness of all fastners Check the chain and sprockets for wear Clean and lube the chain Adjust the chain tension Check the clutch and brake cable and lube / adjust them All of this should be about 2 hours at a shop assuming nothing is bad (tires, cables, chain, sprockets, etc). Most shops charge about $60.00 per hour so we are looking at about $120.00 labor plus parts (I'm guessing ~$50.00) Where do you live? I take it somewhere in MD? We have to know this to recommend a good shop. If you are lucky, you might be able to talk some poor sod into helping you if you are near also.:) Anyone else have any suggestions or think of anything I forgot? Come on list, lets get this person back on the road with a safe motorcycle. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (race bike, reason VFR is for sale) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers, www.shen-valley.com, 1-888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Deitra L. Jackson To: Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 3:13 PM Subject: Freshen Up! > Help! > > My bike (which spent the winter covered up in a back yard) needs to be > "de-wintered" and I don't know where to take it or how much the process > would cost. I don't have the space where I live presently to do it myself. > > Would someone please e-mail me some suggestions? > > Deitra L. Jackson > aka ProudMom > Lady Hawks M/C of MD > 1989 Suzuki GS500E > aka DreamWeaver > AMA #681266 > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 09:31:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CDVJ919777 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.30.3a184da (4321) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:31:08 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: <30.3a184da.2625d49c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:31:08 EDT Subject: Re: Now "Winchester Motosport" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 >From what I got outta Carl, they were supposed to be an Indian dealer, but he decided not to sell them because of the high price. They invested $$ in Indian to become a dealer. Indian finally gave them back their $$ with the stipulation that they must change their name. Carl isn't the easiest person to get a story out of, but at one time they were going to be an Indian dealer. As it is, they have a great selection of bikes with Guzzi, Victory, Triumph, and Ducati. BTW, I'll be there Saturday. Rob From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 10:29:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CETr921010 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.cb.42dab2d (7041) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:29:44 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:29:44 EDT Subject: Summit Point Race Report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Well, Randy detailed the weather and other goings on, here's my races in detail... D-Superbike. I have the pole position due to my points from last year and a couple guys not being at Summit. cool! Al Wilcox throws the flag and I nail the start... hole shot into T1, "Holy Crap... I'm leading the race and I don't hear someone right on my ass yet!". My speed in T1 is still lacking, and I don't trust the cold track, but that's all good. I proceed to lead the first 5 laps. Lap 6 finds me sliding in T7 as I got greedy on the throttle. I believe my brain overrode the learned skill for a brief second and I let off the throttle... the rear hooks up and slams me into the side of the bike. Skill somehow wins out and grabs more throttle... the bike makes it into T8 but now I'm in second, in pain, and rather shaken. Backing off, I get passed by another guy putting me in third... ok, no more of this. I held on and took third place. Happily I return to the pits and get ready for 125gp on the TZ. Ready to go out, friend/crew Gil says, "Um... you're supposed to have a radiator cap, right?". DAMN. It seems to be missing. It was there earlier... dunno what happened, I willing to submit that it vibrated off and wasn't safety wired. However, I would think there would have been a rather large amount of fluid being sprayed everywhere had that been the case, which didn't happen - the radiator was full as a matter of fact. Chalking it up to an unsolved mystery, I thought I'd see if an FZR radiator cap fit... it did. Unfortunately I miss the start of 125gp, and the bike is not warmed. Argh. Oh well. Formula 2: Get back on the mighty RR and grid up. Middle of the first row... cool (again, points, and a couple people didn't show up). Flag, gas, hole shot... yeeee haaaa. Led the first 5 laps, then screwed up the carousel letting second place slip under me entering T7. Ok... fine. (It's worth noting at this point that on lap 4, I missed a downshift entering T10. Being faced with the choice of going straight into the gravel trap (and wall) at 120mph vs. pitching it in and hoping it stuck... I took the latter, and it did). Follow the SV around for lap 7, noting what he's doing. Lap 8... white flag, I'm right on his tail still. Try to get him on the brakes into T1.. no go, he wants none of it and I'm not forcing the issue in this weather. Try an outside move in the carousel... no go again. damn. Ok... T10 is coming and the brain says, "Hey - remember lap 4? I bet you can do that again". Ok brain... time to pay the piper. I exit T9 about a bike length back from the SV and chase him down the short straight. As we get to the entrance to T10, I move to the right and don't downshift... hard on the throttle I fly under him and onto the front stretch... Al Wilcox jumps in the air and throws the Checkered flag!! I've just won my first race!!!!!! HW Twins was just silly... I grid at the VERY back on the TZ (Still can't launch it) and finally get it going after a couple tries... I REALLY gotta work on this. The race went well, as I was able to keep from getting lapped and learned a lot more about racing a 125! All and all... an exciting weekend. I think I'm still partially grinning over my first race win. I'd like to formally thank my sponsor SpeedWerks (www.speed-werks.com) for building the fastest, meanest, 428cc motorcycle I have ever seen or ridden. If you're not already going to SpeedWerks for your 400 (or SV, or...), start. These guys are the best in the business as far as I'm concerned, and great guys as well. I'd also like to thank everyone on my team for making racing worth doing: Brad Faas, Randy Moran (& his wife Julie - she rocks!), Jeff Ozman who I didn't get to see much, the FNG Leonard who took the race school and got his license (got shoved out of T10 by a guy trying to do foot-down MX!!), and Fred on the mighty RD who was having probs this weekend. And as always, my girlfriend Sarah, who hasn't left me yet and learned how to put on and take off tire warmers this weekend! Brian Roach, WERA 699 novice From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 10:36:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CEah921200 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.15.2a78f52 (7041) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:36:33 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <15.2a78f52.2625e3f0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:36:32 EDT Subject: Jackets To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 I bought a new Teknic Jacket last year from CycleSport (Full cyberpunk model) For around $275. It's armored and ventilated for summer... haven't crash tested it, but it seems like a well made piece of gear. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 10:56:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CEuR921492 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2X572ZBW>; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:49:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Mail Server Back Up Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:49:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sorry to bother the list. I'll make it brief: If anyone tried to reach me in the last couple of days, you probably got a bounced message. My company's email system has been down. It's back up now. Please resend. Thanks - we now return you to our regularly scheduled program. Chris Weaver '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 11:05:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CF58921738 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va17-12.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.204]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19011; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38F4BBB5.ADF7A0A0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:08:53 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point Race Report References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian, Three words: Congrats! Way cool! %^) Chuck P.S. Are you planning another Sunday night Speedvision get together??? BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote : > > > Formula 2: Get back on the mighty RR and grid up. Middle of the first row... > cool (again, points, and a couple people didn't show up). Flag, gas, hole > shot... yeeee haaaa. Led the first 5 laps, then screwed up the carousel > letting second place slip under me entering T7. Ok... fine. (It's worth > noting at this point that on lap 4, I missed a downshift entering T10. Being > faced with the choice of going straight into the gravel trap (and wall) at > 120mph vs. pitching it in and hoping it stuck... I took the latter, and it > did). Follow the SV around for lap 7, noting what he's doing. Lap 8... white > flag, I'm right on his tail still. Try to get him on the brakes into T1.. no > go, he wants none of it and I'm not forcing the issue in this weather. Try an > outside move in the carousel... no go again. damn. Ok... T10 is coming and > the brain says, "Hey - remember lap 4? I bet you can do that again". Ok > brain... time to pay the piper. I exit T9 about a bike length back from the > SV and chase him down the short straight. As we get to the entrance to T10, I > move to the right and don't downshift... hard on the throttle I fly under him > and onto the front stretch... Al Wilcox jumps in the air and throws the > Checkered flag!! I've just won my first race!!!!!! From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 11:39:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CFdr922303 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA05992 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:39:37 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: funny url Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:38:09 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bfa495$1b7ca860$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Got this off another list, maybe a repeat for some readers. http://www8.50megs.com/bongo/oil_change.htm Cedric From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 12:07:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aw162.netaddress.usa.net (aw162.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3CG70922819 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1513 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2000 16:06:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000412160655.1512.qmail@aw162.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.62 by aw162 for [162.70.131.75] via web-mailer(M3.4.4.4) on Wed Apr 12 16:06:55 GMT 2000 Date: 12 Apr 00 12:06:55 EDT From: Linda Tanner To: Subject: Va Tags X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.4.4.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3CG77922820 Just an FYI to anyone thinking about personalized tags... I ordered new tags for my Beemer last Monday. I checked the availability on the web and then ordered them, paid for by credit card on a secure webpage. I got the new tags and registration on Saturday. Yes, folks 5 days from order to screw on bike. Last August, when I got my KLR, I ordered personalized tags for it. My 60 day tags expired before I got my new ones. What has happened to the gubmint? Efficiency? Ease of use? Or was it a fluke? Your call. YMMV LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 12:40:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CGeG923297 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-214-177.s431.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.214.177] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12fQBZ-00018E-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:40:14 -0400 Message-ID: <003b01bfa49d$274642c0$b1d67ad1@oemcomputer> From: "Simon Cook" To: Subject: re.now Winchester Motorsport Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:35:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01BFA47B.9F72D960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BFA47B.9F72D960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What ya be riding Rob,I'll look out for you. 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------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BFA47B.9F72D960-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 13:08:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web305.mail.yahoo.com (web305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.236]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3CH82923824 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14498 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2000 17:07:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000412170759.14497.qmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web305.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:07:59 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: funny url To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org \(E-mail\)" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree it's funny. It's also very good! I wish the manual for my bike was that explicit in how to do things. Louis --- Cedric Bernescut wrote: > Got this off another list, maybe a repeat for some readers. > > http://www8.50megs.com/bongo/oil_change.htm > > Cedric > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 13:25:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.digizen.net ([216.22.32.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3CHPc924104 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004121725.e3CHPc924104@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: (qmail 24846 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2000 17:20:39 -0000 Received: from ppp1-242.digizen.net (HELO palladio) (216.22.32.242) by mail.digizen.net with SMTP; 12 Apr 2000 17:20:39 -0000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: Subject: Insurance Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:21:14 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try Markel or Geico (through their CycleGuard division). Both have websites. Markel is www.bikeline.com, I think. Both companies write bike-only policies in DC. I have a better deal from Markel. Unfortunately DC proper is a small market and a high theft, high fraud area. There's also that on again, off again, flirtation with "no fault" insurance that led many insurance companies to avoid DC like the plague. Beware, some companies refuse to write comprehensive coverage even for garaged bikes in DC. Your situation has plusses and minuses. Plusses: good driving record and locked storage Minuses: BMW, age 27, single The actuaries giveth and the actuaries taketh away. I'm paying about $175 for a 91 CB750, no tickets, age 34, low deductible, full coverage, bike parked on street. 10% off for MSF within the past three years. Paul Wilson Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 13:40:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CHeI924475 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12fR6e-0000HY-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:39:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:40:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Va Tags In-Reply-To: <20000412160655.1512.qmail@aw162.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 12 Apr 2000, Linda Tanner wrote: > What has happened to the gubmint? Efficiency? Ease of use? Or was it a > fluke? Pretty scary aint it! I got the personalized tags for my VFR off the internet in less then 2 weeks. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 13:46:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from doberman.cwusa.com (doberman-dmz.cwusa.com [146.135.88.56]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CHkH924641 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from us-cwi-iis-a02.cwusa.com ([146.135.85.100]) by doberman.cwusa.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA14030 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com BY us-cwi-iis-a02.cwusa.com ; Wed Apr 12 13:43:45 2000 -0400 Received: by us-cwi-exc-a10.cwi.cablew.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2ZHG1S7K>; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:46:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Parking in DC... Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:46:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello everybody... I'm in the process of finding and buying a condo in Dupont/Adams-Morgan, coming back to the city after a couple of years in VA. I'm hoping to find a place that includes parking, but that is of course a luxury. I'm not crazy about leaving the bike on the street, not so much because of theft (it's old and pretty inconspicuous) but more due to weather, people parking by touch, etc. So I'm trying to scope out possible off-street options reasonably close to my future home (wherever that turns out to be). Anyone have good suggestions of places to hunt for someone with a space or bit of spare pavement to rent, or any other city dwellers found other ways to keep bikes safe and reasonably accessible? Thanks. John Whiteside john.whiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 13:49:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CHn9924661 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:48:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200004121348.AA2247753804@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: Va Tags X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Hugh Caldwell >Pretty scary aint it! I got the personalized tags for my VFR off >the internet in less then 2 weeks. Who else here is running personalized tags? Just curious... :) Horkster (98 Connie BugSlayer - VA Plate BGSLYR) From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 14:12:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CICD925088 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from michaeljackson ([63.80.246.6]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA01964 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:12:29 -0400 Message-ID: <012f01bfa4ab$6434ad80$06f6503f@spectrumcomputers.com> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: <200004121348.AA2247753804@tidalwave.net> Subject: Re: Va Tags Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:16:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Me. Bruce '98 VFR800 "TRONIX" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horkster" > Who else here is running personalized tags? Just curious... :) > > Horkster (98 Connie BugSlayer - VA Plate BGSLYR) From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 14:21:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CILv925255 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08214 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:21:50 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000412142121.00ca0730@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:21:48 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Va Tags In-Reply-To: <012f01bfa4ab$6434ad80$06f6503f@spectrumcomputers.com> References: <200004121348.AA2247753804@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Who else here is running personalized tags? Just curious... :) Me VA 'UNCAGE' ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 14:30:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CITt925345 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10124 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13667 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA14448 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:30:24 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Va Tags Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:25:11 -0400 Message-ID: <006501bfa4ac$702275e0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000412142121.00ca0730@mail.wheatintl.com> FJ1100 - 1BADFJ TL1000R - 1BADTL > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 2:22 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Va Tags > > > > > > Who else here is running personalized tags? Just curious... :) > > Me VA 'UNCAGE' > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 14:32:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CIWH925445 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:31:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200004121431.AA67895802@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: Va Tags X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman >Me VA 'UNCAGE' I like that one. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 14:33:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CIXD925455 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2T80PDTS>; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:32:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Crouse, Roger" To: "'Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Va Tags Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:32:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I wouldn't have one if I were paid to use it. Roger From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 14:43:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CIh0925651 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellud5t4) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12fS6D-000352-00; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:42:49 -0400 Message-ID: <010b01bfa4ad$ffeef0d0$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: "Crouse, Roger" , References: Subject: Re: Va Tags Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:36:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 o...k.... And why not? ----- Original Message ----- From: Crouse, Roger To: 'Troutman' ; Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 2:32 PM Subject: RE: Va Tags > I wouldn't have one if I were paid to use it. > > Roger > From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 14:44:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CIi3925662 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12fS6F-0001JK-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:42:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:43:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Va Tags In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000412142121.00ca0730@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Who else here is running personalized tags? Just curious... :) > VFR 800 "VFORCE" I'll be installing the LASP this weekend. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 14:48:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.nai.com (relay2.nai.com [161.69.3.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CIm3925777 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webshield2.na.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by relay2.nai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA06284 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: FROM na-ex-bridge2.nai.com BY webshield2.na.nai.com ; Wed Apr 12 11:50:52 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2J2BLP36>; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:47:51 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2B85@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Va Tags (or MD, for that matter) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:43:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't have a vanity tag, but I have had my current tag for 18 continuous years: 96969D Perry From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 14:49:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CInC925787 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2T80P1AW>; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:49:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Crouse, Roger" To: "'Kirt S.'" , "Crouse, Roger" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Va Tags Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:48:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just prefer to maintain a lower profile. Content with obscurity...I guess. Roger From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 16:57:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fh106.infi.net (fh106.infi.net [209.97.16.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CKvk927853 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cfoatty3 (dp065.fls01.splitrock.net [206.156.194.65]) by fh106.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA21573; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001801bfa4c1$3b8e7b20$41c29cce@cfoatty3> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: , "Troutman" Subject: Re: Va Tags Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:53:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Me too. GSXR98 -----Original Message----- From: Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Va Tags > >> > Who else here is running personalized tags? Just curious... :) > >Me VA 'UNCAGE' > > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 17:01:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CL15927958 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-3.patriot.net [209.249.180.3]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA28832; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:01:00 -0400 Message-ID: <38F4E31C.69D6EFC4@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:57:01 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Va Tags References: <200004121348.AA2247753804@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit weelll, nope, no vanity tag fer me. Don't even opt for *fancy* tags. Gimme plain ol' white & blue. Just plain Bill Horkster wrote: > Who else here is running personalized tags? Just curious... :) > > Horkster (98 Connie BugSlayer - VA Plate BGSLYR) From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 17:17:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3CLHJ928218 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 13 Apr 2000 00:17:07 UT Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:15 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: (non-moto) Again... puppies for sale Message-ID: <20000412171759590-4d5f6c07@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii American Pit Bull Terrier puppies, ADBA registered, excellent temperament, people loving. Raised and loved on my Jeannette and I. WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF ROOM!!! We need to sell them very soon. We have eight left; two boys and six girls. Asking price is $500 each. If any of you know of someone or a friend of a friend knows someone who is looking for a dog, please send them our way! DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!!! These pups are not the alley garbage being bred by irresponsible people looking to irresponsible things. These puppies are the best of the best (even have a Mont. Co. police officer's seal of approval)! Contact us at (703) 931-9143 Thanks and sorry for taking up the bandwidth! Tom From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 17:23:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CLN3928315 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA00958; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000412172131.00a10810@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:22:24 -0400 To: Bill Huson , horkster@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Va Tags Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <38F4E31C.69D6EFC4@patriot.net> References: <200004121348.AA2247753804@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I do. Mine say GRLBKR. Tom likes to annoy me and call me Grill Biker. : ( - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > >Horkster wrote: > >> Who else here is running personalized tags? Just curious... :) >> >> Horkster (98 Connie BugSlayer - VA Plate BGSLYR) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 18:16:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CMGB929259 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 12 Apr 2000 18:15:23 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: (NON-MOTO)Dishwasher Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:20:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Anyone out there need a dishwasher. I have one, it's not new - it works - it's white - it's FREE If you want it let me know, I'm planning on taking it to either goodwill or the dump this weekend, but figured it's a decent dishwasher so I'll offer it up. If you're close enough I may even deliver. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 19:26:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CNQS900551 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.7e.374b10f (2617) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:26:20 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7e.374b10f.2626601c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:26:20 EDT Subject: Re: re.now Winchester Motorsport To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 In a message dated 4/12/00 12:41:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, simoncook@XXXXXX writes: > What ya be riding Rob,I'll look out for you. > Simon > 96 Triumph Trident I'll be on a Red and Creme Moto Guzzi V11 EV. It looks like a touring bike with Givi saddlebags and large (huge?!) windshield. Rob From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 19:39:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3CNcw900807 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts007d26.phx-az1.concentric.net [207.155.237.86] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:38:52 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Avons Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:38:24 -0700 Message-ID: <000801bfa4d8$319e4390$56ed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 First, can I ask you to nix the HTML in your e-mail? It's really not to terribly fun when in Digest mode... Thanks! :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ From: "Simon Cook" Subject: Avons ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFA3FA.55267B40 I have a set of Avon Azaros on my 96 Trident 900 and I've had no = problems so far but I've heard some bad stories on these tires including = some dealers who refuse to stock them.Anybody have any comments before I = persuade myself to go get a set of Dunlops,or do I infact have good = tires.What is a good tire for a big standard,I think the Azaro is a = sport tire. Regards Simon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ As for the Avon Azzaros.. you'll likely hear a lot of different stories, believe what you will only after looking at all the information available if you will. A couple of riders from the DC-Cycles list have used the tires (I can think of 4 including myself) - 2 (TLS and VTR) didn't like the tires and complained of problems - both are accomplished and aggressive riders. The other 2 (Collin Fagin - 93 GSXR750 and myself 87 VFR750) have had amazing success with the tires - lasting LONG over the D207. In talking with the Avon rep about running the tires (and inquiring about track/racing sponsorship) we found out the tires shouldn't ever be run lower than 37/38 PSI.. which (if I remember correctly, the 2 other riders were doing - running 34~36psi). Neither Collin nor myself encountered the problems and we were both running 38~40psi (of course, neither of us have a big V-twin either.. which is another debatable point). Personally, I have about 8k miles on a set, the front is fine - it'll go another 8k easily... the rear is just getting to the wear indicators. I've done 300+ mile weeks commuting, 800+ mile weekends out scratching pegs and even a couple track days - nary a slip, skip or slide. Wet, dry, hot, cold, etc... they've shown themselves to be flawless for my needs. And when I can pick up sets for $220 shipped to my door, I have a hard time attempting to justify buying another tire that'll cost more money in the long run and not provide anything more than I already have (I do more than a fair bit of commuting - bike's the only transportation - the D207's loose their profile rather quickly - flat in the middle - and give way to VERY abrupt transitions when attempting to corner). With the new BT56-ss's and their other more 'touring' oriented sport tires, it's worth looking into those tires for another alternative. But the way I see it, Avon is the #1 mfg. and seller in Europe (last I heard) - they're well known for their ability on the race-track with the vintage/bias-ply necessary bikes - there's no need to fear a major tire malfunction from them. Cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 20:01:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3D01t901207 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 12fX4j-00001k-00; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:01:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:00 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: re: vanity tags Message-ID: <20000412195733894-606547@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Have been considering DAMBDCS. hehehe, if only they knew. does anyone in MD already have this one? Rob - 96vfr From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 20:33:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web304.mail.yahoo.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3D0Xl901757 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15504 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2000 00:33:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20000413003344.15503.qmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:33:44 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:33:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Avons To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Simon.. resist the urge to become a sheep! baaah... My personal opinion is that the Azarros are one of the best street tires I have ever ridden on. Never had a problem with them and got double the miles of dunlops out of them. Only issue with the Avons is that you need to run a few psi higher pressures than you would with dunlop or bridgestones (this comes straight from the US importer who was my race sponsor for a brief time). Their race tires aren't too bad either, but the rear cooked off in one day for me...and being a budget racer, I couldn't afford that.. even at cheap prices. You'll find a lot of dealers resistant to change... heck, three years ago, I could barely find a dealer who would recommend anything other than a dunlop. With bridgestones BT-56SS's and Michelin Pilots, people are starting to spread out.. Avon will come around... just not enough people trying them yet... For smaller oddball sizes, Avons are pretty much the only way to go... Collin Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 20:36:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3D0aR901837 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA04769 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:36:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Avons In-Reply-To: <000801bfa4d8$319e4390$56ed9bcf@tra> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Brian McCoy wrote: > Neither Collin nor myself encountered the problems and we were both > running 38~40psi (of course, neither of us have a big V-twin > either.. which is another debatable point). They were both v-twins but not both of them were big'uns. I had the Azaro on my Hawk GT. I was also used to running MEZ1s which did quite well on the Hawk with fairly low pressures (I followed the Metz rep's advice of 32lbs on the rear for sporty riding). Naturally, I only found out that the Azaro requires higher pressures after I had cords showing... :( I'd be willing to give the Azaro another try, particularly since they don't (or at least didn't) have the triangular profile of the 207GPs and don't cost as much as the Metzelers. > the D207's loose their profile rather quickly - flat in the middle - > and give way to VERY abrupt transitions when attempting to corner). This is true of the 207GPs I've run but not the 207ZRs. The 207GP is not a very good commuting tire because of its exaggerated (sp) wear. Of course, it's not intended as a commuting tire... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 20:42:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3D0g6901946 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-253-237.s237.tnt8.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.253.237] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12fXhv-0005YX-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:42:07 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bfa4e0$76355720$edfd7ad1@oemcomputer> From: "Simon Cook" To: Subject: RE Avons Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:37:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Thanks for all the advice,very much appreciated. Simon From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 20:43:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3D0hh901964 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-17.s17.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.17]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12fXih-0001aG-00; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:42:56 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point Race Report Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 03:46:24 GMT Message-ID: <38f64305.48693273@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3D0hj901965 Congratulations! : ) On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:29:44 EDT, you wrote: |> |>Well, Randy detailed the weather and other goings on, here's my races in |>detail... |> |> |>D-Superbike. I have the pole position due to my points from last year and a |>couple guys not being at Summit. cool! Al Wilcox throws the flag and I nail |>the start... hole shot into T1, "Holy Crap... I'm leading the race and I |>don't hear someone right on my ass yet!". My speed in T1 is still lacking, |>and I don't trust the cold track, but that's all good. I proceed to lead the |>first 5 laps. Lap 6 finds me sliding in T7 as I got greedy on the throttle. I |>believe my brain overrode the learned skill for a brief second and I let off |>the throttle... the rear hooks up and slams me into the side of the bike. |>Skill somehow wins out and grabs more throttle... the bike makes it into T8 |>but now I'm in second, in pain, and rather shaken. Backing off, I get passed |>by another guy putting me in third... ok, no more of this. I held on and took |>third place. Happily I return to the pits and get ready for 125gp on the TZ. |> |>Ready to go out, friend/crew Gil says, "Um... you're supposed to have a |>radiator cap, right?". DAMN. It seems to be missing. It was there earlier... |>dunno what happened, I willing to submit that it vibrated off and wasn't |>safety wired. However, I would think there would have been a rather large |>amount of fluid being sprayed everywhere had that been the case, which didn't |>happen - the radiator was full as a matter of fact. Chalking it up to an |>unsolved mystery, I thought I'd see if an FZR radiator cap fit... it did. |>Unfortunately I miss the start of 125gp, and the bike is not warmed. Argh. Oh |>well. |> |>Formula 2: Get back on the mighty RR and grid up. Middle of the first row... |>cool (again, points, and a couple people didn't show up). Flag, gas, hole |>shot... yeeee haaaa. Led the first 5 laps, then screwed up the carousel |>letting second place slip under me entering T7. Ok... fine. (It's worth |>noting at this point that on lap 4, I missed a downshift entering T10. Being |>faced with the choice of going straight into the gravel trap (and wall) at |>120mph vs. pitching it in and hoping it stuck... I took the latter, and it |>did). Follow the SV around for lap 7, noting what he's doing. Lap 8... white |>flag, I'm right on his tail still. Try to get him on the brakes into T1.. no |>go, he wants none of it and I'm not forcing the issue in this weather. Try an |>outside move in the carousel... no go again. damn. Ok... T10 is coming and |>the brain says, "Hey - remember lap 4? I bet you can do that again". Ok |>brain... time to pay the piper. I exit T9 about a bike length back from the |>SV and chase him down the short straight. As we get to the entrance to T10, I |>move to the right and don't downshift... hard on the throttle I fly under him |>and onto the front stretch... Al Wilcox jumps in the air and throws the |>Checkered flag!! I've just won my first race!!!!!! |> |>HW Twins was just silly... I grid at the VERY back on the TZ (Still can't |>launch it) and finally get it going after a couple tries... I REALLY gotta |>work on this. The race went well, as I was able to keep from getting lapped |>and learned a lot more about racing a 125! |> |>All and all... an exciting weekend. I think I'm still partially grinning over |>my first race win. |> |>I'd like to formally thank my sponsor SpeedWerks (www.speed-werks.com) for |>building the fastest, meanest, 428cc motorcycle I have ever seen or ridden. |>If you're not already going to SpeedWerks for your 400 (or SV, or...), start. |>These guys are the best in the business as far as I'm concerned, and great |>guys as well. |> |>I'd also like to thank everyone on my team for making racing worth doing: |>Brad Faas, Randy Moran (& his wife Julie - she rocks!), Jeff Ozman who I |>didn't get to see much, the FNG Leonard who took the race school and got his |>license (got shoved out of T10 by a guy trying to do foot-down MX!!), and |>Fred on the mighty RD who was having probs this weekend. And as always, my |>girlfriend Sarah, who hasn't left me yet and learned how to put on and take |>off tire warmers this weekend! |> |>Brian Roach, WERA 699 novice From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 21:05:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3D15A902376 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va13-22.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.150]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA22876 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38F5478E.CD44592E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:05:34 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Avons References: <000801bfa4d8$319e4390$56ed9bcf@tra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian McCoy wrote : > > With the new BT56-ss's and their other more 'touring' oriented sport tires, > it's worth looking into those tires for another alternative. FWIW, I wouldn't classify the Bridgestone BT-56SS tires as "more 'touring' oriented sport tires". IMHO, I think they're in the same league as the Michelin Pilot Sport and would consider them more as "performance oriented street tires". Good for "real world" sportbike riding. Good enough for a day at the track. Of course, I'm biased about the BT56SS's since that's what's currently on my m/c! %^) And I guess that's what the Avon Azzaros are too. BTW, Denny at Crossroads Cycles is also a big fan of the Avon Azzaros for street sportbike riding. A good friend of mine had a set on his Triumph 595i at Denny's recommendation and had no problems or complaints. They did get pretty trashed at a track day, however. Cheers, Chuck '93 GSXR 750 -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 21:09:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3D194902401 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va13-22.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.150]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA10181; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38F54875.50CE915@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:09:25 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing,alt.motorcyle.sportbike,rec.motorcycles To: DC Cycles Subject: 1999 YAMAHA YZF R6 FOR SALE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1999 YAMAHA YZF R6 FOR SALE __________ NOTE that I am posting this for a friend. Please don't reply to me. Contact info is below. __________ Akrapovic carbon slip-on. Dynojet kit. 99hp at the rear wheel (dynoed at Fast Lanes Cycles). Currently race prepped. Totally safety wired. GT Composite race bodywork (also have stock blue factory bodywork). Custom Targa rear seat cowl. GP (reverse pattern) shifter. RaceTech front and rear springs upgrade. Steering damper. 520 conversion kit (extra 15 tooth sprocket). Goodrich braided brake lines. New EBC HH pads. Michelin Pilot Race tires (one track session). Frame sliders. Full tank cover. Best (serious) offer. Bike is located in the metropolitan Washington, DC area. Call Pete at W (202) 775-7051 or H (703) 241-2744. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 12 22:26:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web122.yahoomail.com (web122.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.57]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3D2Qv903506 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22933 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2000 02:26:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000413022645.22932.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.163.207.192] by web122.yahoomail.com; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:26:45 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:26:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Nomad Subject: Re: VA Tags To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii VA. Personalized Tags: '94 Honda Magna - "MAGNA" Herb _ _ _ _ > /*.-.-.=\-. /*.-.-.=\-. /*.-.-.=\-. /*.-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 00:16:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3D4GjM00698 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norc (dyn50.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net [207.199.168.115]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id AAA12223 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:16:35 -0400 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000412232239.00968590@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:22:39 -0400 To: From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Va Tags In-Reply-To: <200004121348.AA2247753804@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3D4JIM00699 I am now. They just arrived today, three weeks after I ordered them over the net. VA Plate EX500 Andrew >Who else here is running personalized tags? Just curious... :) > >Horkster (98 Connie BugSlayer - VA Plate BGSLYR) ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ J. Andrew Culpepper King George, VA (540) 775-3984 '90 EX500 S-TRA# 100 MGNOC# 15488 From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 00:27:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3D4RpM00855 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-135-45.s553.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.135.45] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12fbEL-0000U1-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:27:49 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Puppies for Sale... Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:22:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfa4ff$e64bb440$2d87a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 American Pit Bull Terrier puppies, ADBA registered, excellent temperament, people loving. Raised and loved on my Jeannette and I. WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF ROOM!!! We need to sell them very soon. We have eight left; two boys and six girls. Asking price is $500 each. If any of you know of someone or a friend of a friend knows someone who is looking for a dog, please send them our way! DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!!! These pups are not the alley garbage being bred by irresponsible people looking to irresponsible things. These puppies are the best of the best (even have a Mont. Co. police officer's seal of approval)! Contact us at (703) 931-9143 Thanks and sorry for taking up the bandwidth! Tom ---------------------------------------- I was over at the Zells a week ago. The pups are playful and very well cared for. If you like PitBulls or know someone who does, this is a great offer. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 146,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 01:12:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3D5CJM01524 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.88.2472240 (3974); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:12:08 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <88.2472240.2626b128@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:12:08 EDT Subject: NON-MOTO: World of Outlaws Sprints To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: SPIOX@XXXXXX, DevSickle@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Hey all... I know most of you shun the 4-wheel world, but there are some exceptions worth noting. May 20th and 21st, the World of Outlaws sprint cars will be at Hagerstown Speedway in Hagerstown, MD. I go every year to watch the races, and it's a blast. If you're not familiar, a sprint car is an open-wheel car weighing in at 1200 lbs with a 800hp motor. They race wheel-to-wheel on banked dirt short-track ovals... the sights and sounds cannot be described. Anyway... I thought if anyone was interested we could go up as a group, the weather should be nice by then. Let me know, - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 08:04:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3DC3xM09464 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11640; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:55:07 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id IAA33526; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:03:36 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852568C0.00423ABD ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:03:24 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: simoncook@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852568C0.00422E0D.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:02:48 -0400 Subject: Simon Cook please turn off the HTML Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline
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Thanks. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 08:18:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3DCI5M09809 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000413122117.6529.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.5] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 05:21:17 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 05:21:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Avons To: Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: simoncook@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't tell that to Jimi who used to be on the DC Cycles list about about a year or two ago. I don't know which model he had but I remember him telling me of a time he was riding fairly fast onto an exit ramp and next thing he knew he woke up in the hospital. Supposedly the tire shredded apart midway up the ramp. He was running Avons. He also said that Avon wanted what was left of the tire to try to determine what exactly happened. Glenn --- Brian McCoy wrote: > see it, Avon is the #1 mfg. and seller in Europe > (last I heard) - they're > well known for their ability on the race-track with > the vintage/bias-ply > necessary bikes - there's no need to fear a major > tire malfunction from > them. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 09:40:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ln01.spg.va.corp.rcn.net (ln01.spg.va.corp.rcn.net [207.172.5.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3DDeJM11054 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Tags To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:49:56 -0400 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN01.Spg.Va/RCN(Release 5.0.2 |November 4, 1999) at 04/13/2000 09:50:02 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii E-TKT _______ James '96 GPz 1100 From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 09:47:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from awcst094.netaddress.usa.net (awcst094.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.94]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3DDkxM11207 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23127 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2000 13:46:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000413134651.23126.qmail@awcst094.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.94 by awcst094 for [162.70.131.75] via web-mailer(M3.4.4.4) on Thu Apr 13 13:46:51 GMT 2000 Date: 13 Apr 00 09:46:51 EDT From: Linda Tanner To: Subject: Re: Va tags X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.4.4.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3DDl1M11208 I guess I never said what my tags are: BMW = MRBZZY KLR250 = 10ZING F3 = AM TOO SHO = ARE NOT LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 10:26:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3DEQZM11824 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:26:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200004131026.AA424607852@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: CC: Subject: Re: Va Tags X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Jeannette Zell Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:22:24 -0400 >I do. Mine say GRLBKR. >Tom likes to annoy me and call me Grill Biker. : ( Yeah, I wish we had a couple more letters on the plate to work with. I call Tracy Grand Prix Nehi (GPNEHI) :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 11:13:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com (e23.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3DFDSM12617 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e23.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05422 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:55:33 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id LAA47448 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:13:22 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852568C0.00539A24 ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:13:09 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852568C0.00539283.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:12:47 -0400 Subject: mmmm... Velocette's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Since we're talking about Velocette's... I saw probably the most gorgeous motorcycle I've ever seen in person at the little shop next to the new location of Moto Europa. Some kind of Velo (I wish I knew more about them), painted like a cream colour with midnight blue(!) frame and parts. Photgraphs do not do them justice. And here's some more Velo trivia that come through the Brit-Iron list today... Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '65 Norton Atlas cafe racer [soon to be Triton] project http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From: Douglas Anderson Reply-To: douglas@XXXXXX To: BRIT-IRON-L@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speed Record Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:46:01 EST Dave, To the best of my knowledge, the record set by Velocette in 1961 still stands. Doug Anderson > On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:17:59 -0400 Tom Lesko said: > > Just watching Speedvision's program on the Bonneville salt flats > motorcycle speed trials, near the end of the program they showed a > Triumph and commented that Triumph still holds the world speed record > for open wheeled motorcycles at over 250 MPH. > > Has any 500 cc Japanese motorcycle exceeded the Velocette > record exceeding a 100 miles per hour average for twenty-four > hours ? > From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 12:25:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3DGPuM13770 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id MAA16201 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000413122943.007b47c0@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:29:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: personalized tags In-Reply-To: <200004122300.e3CN01D00146@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" transferred my tags from my ZX-6 to my VFR. Yes, I am running KAWGRL on a Honda! People keep asking me if I live near the Kaw river in Missouri or if I like country music. 2NDNX - on my second Nissan NX2000. BIKPULR on husbands Jeep Wrangler. I wouldn't let him put the dogs name on the tags. Lisa Goddard '95 VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 14:07:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3DI6xM15462 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:07:30 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330312DB@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: I started a GP Team for DC Cycles Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:03:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Go to http://www.motograndprix.com/ and join the DC Cycles MotoGP Challenge. Pick your top finishers for the 500, 250 and 125 CC for the next race in Spain. The password is GoFast Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 14:35:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3DIZAM15954 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA07152 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:34:57 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: 600 comparison Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:33:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bfa576$bf85bc80$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 England's Motorcycle News has a comparo of the Suzuki, Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki and Triumph 600. The results were pretty interesting, especially if you're used to the American magazine's typically picking the CBR as top dog. Overall I found it to be a solid review with good information. Any dealers around here have the Triumph in stock yet? http://www.motorcycleworld.co.uk/bikes/bikes.asp?page=Sports&testid=291&pare nt=291 Cedric From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 14:50:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3DIo5M16217 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.9d.40c6e57 (3976) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:49:48 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9d.40c6e57.262770cc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:49:48 EDT Subject: Re: 600 comparison To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 102 In a message dated 4/13/00 2:37:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bernescut@XXXXXX writes: > Any > dealers around here have the Triumph in stock yet? Clinton Cycles (attached to Fort Wash H-D) is supposed to be getting them fairly soon... might already have them. They just got their Aprillia dealership as well. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 15:01:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3DJ1QM16420 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-17.s17.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.17]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12for0-0000Hl-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:00:38 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: honda riders club Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:04:12 GMT Message-ID: <38f64404.114494558@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3DJ1XM16421 I got an email the other day from a person who said honda wouldn't let him join the honda riders club without a honda. (they wanted a vin #). has anyone known this to happen (or not happen) before? Remember they give the $75 MSF discount coupon. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 15:19:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3DJJMM16710 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <25SR37KS>; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:12:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: honda riders club Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:12:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Either a) whoever he talked to was mistaken or b) Honda has changed the requirements very recently. They never used to require this, as I recall. Also, just because they asked for a vin# doesn't in itself mean that they don't accept non-Hondas. Perhaps your friend just made that assumption? If it's at all possible, I recommend joining. I've used them twice in the last year (once for a flat tire and once my buddy's bike conked out) and they have never given me anything less than perfect service. Quick, polite, hassle-free and well, well worth the money to join. I got a year free thanks to my VTR purchase, but I've just renewed my membership. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [SMTP:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 6:04 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: honda riders club > > I got an email the other day from a person who said honda wouldn't let > him join the honda riders club without a honda. (they wanted a vin #). > has anyone known this to happen (or not happen) before? > > Remember they give the $75 MSF discount coupon. > > Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 18:02:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3DM2JM19589 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id v.84.3d4e067 (4314) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:02:01 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <84.3d4e067.26279dd8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:02:00 EDT Subject: Free Kittens To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 100 Since the ice has been broken... Gots kittens - 4 months old - 2 white females, 1 white male, 1 black male Also 1 white male, and 1 black male - both 9 months old LAST CHANCE (mom was spayed recently (but not recently enough)). Michael J. PS - will deliver From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 19:18:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3DNI9M20857 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts007d26.phx-az1.concentric.net [207.155.237.86] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:17:59 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: RE: Avons Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:17:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01bfa59e$7789f950$56ed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20000413122117.6529.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I saw something similar happen to a Dunlop on the racetrack once when I was working T3 at Summit Point.. guy came into the corner, banked it to the left, layed on the gas and the tire just flew apart... Point is, THAT happens - and it's going to happen from time to time. You know one person it's happened to with Avons - I watched it happen to one person with Dunlops.. if the tire were really that dangerous, you'd think they wouldn't put it out there in this sue-happy country due to liability. *shrug* Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] > > > Don't tell that to Jimi who used to be on the DC > Cycles list about about a year or two ago. I don't > know which model he had but I remember him telling me > of a time he was riding fairly fast onto an exit ramp > and next thing he knew he woke up in the hospital. > Supposedly the tire shredded apart midway up the ramp. > He was running Avons. He also said that Avon wanted > what was left of the tire to try to determine what > exactly happened. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 19:40:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3DNeEM21264 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts007d26.phx-az1.concentric.net [207.155.237.86] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:40:05 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Digest stuff.. Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:39:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01bfa5a1$8e6d03d0$56ed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Subject: Free Kittens Gots kittens - 4 months old - 2 white females, 1 white male, 1 black male Michael J. PS - will deliver ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sure thing Michael.. I live in Phoenix now.. *grin* 1 white female if you please... (and if you're making the trip, bring a Zell puppy for me too please). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Charles V. Pena" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Avons Brian McCoy wrote : > > With the new BT56-ss's and their other more 'touring' oriented sport tires, > it's worth looking into those tires for another alternative. FWIW, I wouldn't classify the Bridgestone BT-56SS tires as "more 'touring' oriented sport tires". IMHO, I think they're in the same league as the Michelin Pilot Sport and would consider them more as "performance oriented street tires". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bridgestone has 2 models lower on the 'sport' scale, and higher on the 'touring' scale than the BT56-ss's (which is what I meant by the statement you snipped above). There are a lot of options out there - shop around, take a summer and try some different brands. My choice of the Avons is decided upon past performance of their other tires that were the best in the business (IMHO), the price ($110 shipped for a rear is average), the mileage (8k right now, and I'm just about to the wear indicators), and the performance (able to deal with my commuting, sport riding on the streets and track days without giving up anything I can use in any dept). The 2 other sets of tires I've tried on my VFR couldn't claim as much.. Make an informed decision.. but, most of all - do what works best for you. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 19:49:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3DNnYM21437 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28463 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2000 23:49:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20000413234930.28462.qmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.114.117] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:49:30 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:49:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: honda riders club To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I used to belong to HRCA when I had the Honda Nighthawk. When I traded that in for my Kawasaki Concours, they said that I could remain a member, but I would not get free towing, instead they would call the tow truck, but I'd have to pay for it. Other than that the benefits were the same. They kept saying "But you can get reimbursed for the MSF course" even after I told them I was an instructor and didn't need to pay for the course when I taught. Louis --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I got an email the other day from a person who said honda wouldn't let > him join the honda riders club without a honda. (they wanted a vin #). > has anyone known this to happen (or not happen) before? > > Remember they give the $75 MSF discount coupon. > > Daniel > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 20:11:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3E0BJM21795 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-216.patriot.net [209.249.180.216]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA03209; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:10:25 -0400 Message-ID: <38F66100.896805DE@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:06:24 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: honda riders club References: <20000413234930.28462.qmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do tell - why would a Honda rider need towing? Do Honda's really *break*? My goodness, whoulda thunk. Bill Louis F. Caplan wrote: > I used to belong to HRCA when I had the Honda Nighthawk. When I traded that in > for my Kawasaki Concours, they said that I could remain a member, but I would > not get free towing, instead they would call the tow truck, but I'd have to pay > for it. Other than that the benefits were the same. They kept saying "But you > can get reimbursed for the MSF course" even after I told them I was an > instructor and didn't need to pay for the course when I taught. > > Louis > > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > I got an email the other day from a person who said honda wouldn't let > > him join the honda riders club without a honda. (they wanted a vin #). > > has anyone known this to happen (or not happen) before? > > > > Remember they give the $75 MSF discount coupon. > > > > Daniel > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 20:54:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3605.mail.yahoo.com (web3605.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.109]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3E0siM22525 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000414005436.7135.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.164.132.53] by web3605.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:54:36 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:54:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Avons To: Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh and as someone else said the BT-56SS are not touring type tires. They are considered Ultra high performance street tires. All the rags are rating those and the Michelins Pilots among the best out there right now. Glenn --- Brian McCoy wrote: > I saw something similar happen to a Dunlop on the > racetrack once when I was > working T3 at Summit Point.. guy came into the > corner, banked it to the > left, layed on the gas and the tire just flew > apart... > > Point is, THAT happens - and it's going to happen > from time to time. You > know one person it's happened to with Avons - I > watched it happen to one > person with Dunlops.. if the tire were really that > dangerous, you'd think > they wouldn't put it out there in this sue-happy > country due to liability. > > *shrug* > > Brian McCoy > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] > > > > > > Don't tell that to Jimi who used to be on the DC > > Cycles list about about a year or two ago. I > don't > > know which model he had but I remember him telling > me > > of a time he was riding fairly fast onto an exit > ramp > > and next thing he knew he woke up in the hospital. > > Supposedly the tire shredded apart midway up the > ramp. > > He was running Avons. He also said that Avon > wanted > > what was left of the tire to try to determine what > > exactly happened. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 22:05:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3E25e600490 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:05:25 -0400 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: Subject: RE: personalized tags Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:05:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bfa5b5$e468cbc0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.20000413122943.007b47c0@kivex.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 The bike says "ITW" (In the Wind). The cage says "TDK BLK" (Tae Kwon Do Black Belt) In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 22:28:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3E2Sj600968 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (216-164-129-53.s307.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.129.53]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20185 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:28:07 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000413222628.00d16ba0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:27:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: For your future use (No MC) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed For the future flood of 'unsubscribe' messages that seems to hit dc-cycles every few months. A listserv for the ignorant: From: clueless@XXXXXX To: clueless@XXXXXX Subject: Welcome, clueless user! Welcome to the Clueless Users Network Test System, an intelligence test for the ignorant and impolite. You have been automatically added to this mailing list because you sent a subscription request like "UNSUB ME" out to the entire readership of a mailing list, instead of sending it to the list server or list maintainer. There is nobody of worth reading this mailing list. The only way you can become unsubscribed is to figure out the standard way of unsubscribing from an Internet mailing list. Until that time, you will get these messages regularly. If you made an innocent mistake in sending your "UNSUB ME" out to the entire list, then you will know how to unsubscribe from this list immediately and no harm will be done. If, on the other hand, you simply have no clue how to deal with mailing lists, you'd better start reading up on the subject before you go blundering around again. Your attention is cordially drawn to the newsgroups news.announce.newusers, news.newusers.questions, and news.answers. Final hint: the mailing list address is clueless@XXXXXX. Have fun. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 20k miles + From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 22:36:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3E2a3601293 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.37.3c7cd1c (1840) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:35:49 -0400 (EDT) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Message-ID: <37.3c7cd1c.2627de04@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:35:48 EDT Subject: Re: I started a GP Team for DC Cycles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 77 In a message dated 04/13/2000 11:09:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: << Pick your top finishers for the 500, 250 and 125 CC for the next race in Spain. >> Hey Mark, Great idea. Now we just have to wait for Spain. Who else joined in the game? I figure, If you can't win yourself, hire someone better..... Team Ozmen: K.R. M. Biaggi just to name a few. Good Luck, Jeff From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 23:05:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web303.mail.yahoo.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3E354602008 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18565 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2000 03:04:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000414030449.18564.qmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.118.7] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:04:49 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:04:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: honda riders club To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, the bike was some what on it's years, an '84 that I owned from '95 - '97. I used the towing service once. (But before I joined HRCA I had to get a tow and that was expensive!) The other nice thing about the HRCA was they didn't have a rule about the bike having to be at least two miles from your home address for the free tow like most of the other towing services I've seen. The time I was towed, it was from my apartment, when the bike didn't want to start. --- Bill Huson wrote: > Do tell - why would a Honda rider need towing? Do Honda's really *break*? > My goodness, whoulda thunk. > > Bill > > > Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > > I used to belong to HRCA when I had the Honda Nighthawk. When I traded > that in > > for my Kawasaki Concours, they said that I could remain a member, but I > would > > not get free towing, instead they would call the tow truck, but I'd have to > pay > > for it. Other than that the benefits were the same. They kept saying "But > you > > can get reimbursed for the MSF course" even after I told them I was an > > instructor and didn't need to pay for the course when I taught. > > > > Louis > > > > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I got an email the other day from a person who said honda wouldn't let > > > him join the honda riders club without a honda. (they wanted a vin #). > > > has anyone known this to happen (or not happen) before? > > > > > > Remember they give the $75 MSF discount coupon. > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. > > http://invites.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 13 23:09:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web305.mail.yahoo.com (web305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.236]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3E397602060 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12695 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2000 03:08:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000414030855.12694.qmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.118.7] by web305.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:08:55 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:08:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: California Emissions requirement?? To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just bought a new cage (no comments from the peanut gallery please). Part of the package was $100 for Califonia Emissions. When I pointed out we weren't in California, I was told that now 80%(?) of the vehicles sold in Virginia / The Mid-Atlantic require a higher level of emissions protection, which Califonia just happens to have. Has anyone heard of this? Is it true for motorcycles as well? Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 00:44:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3E4ifM00891 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-17.s17.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.17]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12fxxA-0006xi-00; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:43:37 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: honda riders club Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:47:09 GMT Message-ID: <38f7cc4f.149390198@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3E4k1M00892 That's what I thought, and suggested the same. I just wanted to make sure people have joined without owning a honda. The person who emailed me is going to call back. Also if worse comes to worse, he can get a vin # to use. I dont' see it exactly as dishonest since there web page stated that you didn't need to own a honda. Just holding them to their word that they may try to renig on. I'll post whatever i hear. thanks everyone. Daniel On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:12:13 -0400, you wrote: |>Either a) whoever he talked to was mistaken or b) Honda has changed the |>requirements very recently. They never used to require this, as I recall. |>Also, just because they asked for a vin# doesn't in itself mean that they |>don't accept non-Hondas. Perhaps your friend just made that assumption? From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 01:43:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3E5h5M02099 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-17.s17.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.17]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12fyrs-00044f-00; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:42:13 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: MJordan666@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Free Kittens Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:45:45 GMT Message-ID: <38f8da3e.152958211@smtp.erols.com> References: <84.3d4e067.26279dd8@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <84.3d4e067.26279dd8@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3E5hDM02100 You might want to call Joel corley @ 301-559 5535 at one point in time he was looking for a kitten. he's located in hyattsville maryland. Daniel On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:02:00 EDT, you wrote: |>Since the ice has been broken... |> |>Gots kittens - 4 months old - 2 white females, 1 white male, 1 black male |> |>Also 1 white male, and 1 black male - both 9 months old |> |>LAST CHANCE (mom was spayed recently (but not recently enough)). |> |>Michael J. |> |>PS - will deliver From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 01:43:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3E5hiM02112 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-17.s17.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.17]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12fysb-00046g-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:42:57 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Free Kittens Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:46:30 GMT Message-ID: <38f9dac1.153088892@smtp.erols.com> References: <84.3d4e067.26279dd8@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <84.3d4e067.26279dd8@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3E5hjM02113 Woops have the bad habbit of hitting the "reply all" key combination :) sorry everyone :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 01:48:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3E5mrM02217 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-17.s17.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.17]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12fyxb-0004fF-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:48:07 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Subject: Re: Va tags Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:51:39 GMT Message-ID: <38fadb35.153204750@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000413134651.23126.qmail@awcst094.netaddress.usa.net> In-Reply-To: <20000413134651.23126.qmail@awcst094.netaddress.usa.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3E5n1M02218 I always wanted tags that said "H82W84U" but then they cost $50 here and I believe in low profile too :) feel free to use it anyone : ) From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 03:03:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3E731M04178 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 03:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207.155.237.86 by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:02:54 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: RE: Avons Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:02:42 -0700 Message-ID: <001201bfa5df$6db32410$56ed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20000414005436.7135.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 You and he both miss-read what I wrote.. I said something to the effect of 'With BT56-ss AND their other touring type tires out there....' Bridgestone has BT56-ss, BT-57 and the BT-54 - they even list a BT-58 for racing... *shrug* not that I'm interested in a tire flame war... *shrug* Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] > > Oh and as someone else said the BT-56SS are not > touring type tires. They are considered Ultra high > performance street tires. All the rags are rating > those and the Michelins Pilots among the best out > there right now. I guess this years racing will show us what's the best bike/tire/rider combo for the track - though that may not translate to the street to well... From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 05:58:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3E9wQM07246 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 05:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112138208.cit.nih.gov [165.112.138.208]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA174954 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 05:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38F6EBBE.915D34C5@radix.net> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 05:58:22 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: California Emissions requirement?? References: <20000414030855.12694.qmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I just bought a new cage (no comments from the peanut gallery please). Part of > the package was $100 for Califonia Emissions. When I pointed out we weren't in > California, I was told that now 80%(?) of the vehicles sold in Virginia / The > Mid-Atlantic require a higher level of emissions protection, which Califonia > just happens to have. > > Has anyone heard of this? Is it true for motorcycles as well? Yes, while I'm not sure of exactly how many, it applies to bikes and cages. I thought that mfgr's were using the Ca. models when a shortage developed ; I know of 2 bikers that ended up with CA models, way over here on the right coast. Obviously, high demand rides ; R1, GSXR750's, CBR's, are likely candidates to run out quickly, which is 1 plausible way this can happen. I haven't heard of this with cages though... scary thought. FWIW - MD Voluntarily participates in the higher emissions level program - from whatever clean air requirement - you know, the treadmill test, oxygenated gas in the winter etc. MD isn't even close to meeting the EPA's mandate for this. Not sure about Virginia. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 07:41:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EBf0M08731 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-170.patriot.net [209.249.180.170]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA17052; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:40:49 -0400 Message-ID: <38F702CE.88C2FDAC@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:36:46 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: California Emissions requirement?? References: <20000414030855.12694.qmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Salesman's bullcrap at work. The package sez "California" and isn't yet required in the free world. Of course it is possible that basic design flaws of the particular cage required the CA pack to meet *any* emmisions requirements, save for say - Montana. And yes, M/Cs have CA requitred design changes and have had them since the 70s. But back then the m/c companys made the minor changes universal. Two basic models were US and Euro. You could turn the headlight off on the Euro models. Bill Louis F. Caplan wrote: > I just bought a new cage (no comments from the peanut gallery please). Part of > the package was $100 for Califonia Emissions. When I pointed out we weren't in > California, I was told that now 80%(?) of the vehicles sold in Virginia / The > Mid-Atlantic require a higher level of emissions protection, which Califonia > just happens to have. > > Has anyone heard of this? Is it true for motorcycles as well? > > Louis > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 08:51:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3ECpoM10240 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-170.patriot.net [209.249.180.170]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA23254 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:51:42 -0400 Message-ID: <38F7136C.68A6D105@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:47:40 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: no oil pressure update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Several weeks ago my Hawg lost oil pressure on the way to the dc-cycles circle event. I dragged the beast home via pickup truck, hoping that it wa something *simple* and CHEAP like a pressure sender unit. Yeah, like I wish! No suck luck, so I left it at Crossroads Cycle. I call Denny to check on it and he sez, "Man, you gotta come up and take a look at this. I ain't seen one grenade this bad." uh oh oh crap and &*^$%&%$ The cam bearing puked and tossed junk into the oil pump drive gear, which blew out with enough force to bend the drive gear shaft. Took Denny three hours to cut the bent part off so he could he could get it out. No space to work in and hardened steel... Since the engine is out and in pieces, he's doing a few other R&R things. Pending timely parts arrival I should be back on the road before the end of the month. Yahoo! Bill `93 FHLS - in piecey-parts `66 Norton Atlas - in piecey-parts checkbook - screaming in pain :-) From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 09:25:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c016.sfo.cp.net (c016-h014.c016.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3EDPkM11097 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 9698 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2000 06:25:33 -0700 Received: from gw1.outtask.com (HELO jmaier) (63.76.22.2) by smtp.outtask.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2000 06:25:33 -0700 X-Sent: 14 Apr 2000 13:25:33 GMT Reply-To: From: "Jim Maier" To: Subject: VA personalized tags... Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:31:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal I'm running VA plate "HDENVY" on my '97 Suzuki Intruder 1400... >Who else here is running personalized tags? Just curious... :) >Horkster (98 Connie BugSlayer - VA Plate BGSLYR) JM Jim Maier jmaier@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 09:28:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EDScM11243 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2815C7F0>; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:21:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: John Deere Sighting Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:21:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain So there I was, sitting in bumper to bumper traffic near Nutley on I-66 yesterday at 5:30. Suddenly, a John Deere motorcycle appears to my left in the HOV lane. Who was it that owned that bike - Leon, right? Anyway, I was the BDC that let you merge over to the right when the HOV lane backed up. :^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 '92 Integra BDC From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 09:29:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EDSxM11261 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va26-19.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.147]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07133; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38F74828.915E85C2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:32:40 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Avons References: <001201bfa5df$6db32410$56ed9bcf@tra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian, FYI, I wasn't trying to start a flame war. Just offering a different "perspective" on how to "categorize" the BT-56SS, Michelin Pilot Sport, and similar tires. They are definitely NOT racing tires. But they're probably more than good enough as track day tires (although they're might be better choices if you want rubber exclusively for the track even if you're not racing). And my understanding of what they were designed to be is "high performance" street tires for "real world" sportbike riding. IMHO, I think that's different than "touring" (e.g., 2-up, fully-loaded, long-distance riding) which IMHO has a different set of requirements for tires. FWIW, I'm pretty sure I know what you meant with what you wrote. But others may have taken your use of the word "touring" in the most literal sense. No offense meant. Just trying to offer a point of clarification. And I wasn't taking exception with your opinions of the Avon Azaros, which -- although I have no personal experience with -- I agree with based on another friend's experience with his Avons. And as I said before, I would lump the Avon Azaros, Bridgestone BT-56SS's, and Michelin Pilot Sports into the same category for people looking for that type of tire. Brian McCoy wrote: > > You and he both miss-read what I wrote.. I said something to the effect of > 'With BT56-ss AND their other touring type tires out there....' Bridgestone > has BT56-ss, BT-57 and the BT-54 - they even list a BT-58 for racing... > > *shrug* not that I'm interested in a tire flame war... *shrug* From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 09:38:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EDchM11468 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mantechserver (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id JAA21597; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:39:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nelson Fernandez" To: "Bill Huson" , Subject: RE: no oil pressure update Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:32:12 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38F7136C.68A6D105@patriot.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Bill Sorry to hear the howg isn't feeling well. If you need a quick bike fix and don't mind mounting one of the rice burners, let me know and you can take the fizzer out for lunch if you want. Don't worry, she doesn't eat much and she is fun to mess around with, just don't let the howg find out or things will get ugly. Cheaten is one thing but with a Yamaha, what will the other bikes say. 8~0 Speaking of lunch, when are we going to do the DC cycles Crystal City Lunch thing you brought up some time back? It will be warm enough soon to eat in the water park. I haven't had Yannies in almost 2 weeks. ;p Let me know Nelson From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 09:45:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EDjGM11648 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:46:00 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330312E5@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VA personalized tags... Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:42:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I am running SAMPLS on my VFR. Inside joke to fans of Colorado-band The Samples, whose main insignia in SAMPLES in a Colorado liscense plate. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Maier [SMTP:jmaier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 9:32 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: VA personalized tags... > > I'm running VA plate "HDENVY" on my '97 Suzuki Intruder 1400... > > >Who else here is running personalized tags? Just curious... :) > >Horkster (98 Connie BugSlayer - VA Plate BGSLYR) > > JM > > Jim Maier > jmaier@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 09:50:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EDoEM11743 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-170.patriot.net [209.249.180.170]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA31193; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:49:32 -0400 Message-ID: <38F720FA.81C38C11@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:45:30 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nelson Fernandez CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: no oil pressure update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit heh heh - thanks, but I'll pass. I really don't like riding bikes I don't own just in case I have an *oops*, so it's not because it's a Yamahonker. I like bikes in any flavor, same for girls. They're ALL fun to ride :-) Yes, we'll have to do lunch soon. Next week maybe? Pick a day and we'll try to get a few more Crystal City based cycle nutz to join us. Bill Nelson Fernandez wrote: > Bill > > Sorry to hear the howg isn't feeling well. If you need a quick bike fix and > don't mind mounting one of the rice burners, let me know and you can take > the fizzer out for lunch if you want. Don't worry, she doesn't eat much and > she is fun to mess around with, just don't let the howg find out or things > will get ugly. Cheaten is one thing but with a Yamaha, what will the other > bikes say. 8~0 > > Speaking of lunch, when are we going to do the DC cycles Crystal City Lunch > thing you brought up some time back? It will be warm enough soon to eat in > the water park. I haven't had Yannies in almost 2 weeks. ;p > > Let me know > Nelson From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 09:52:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3602.mail.yahoo.com (web3602.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3EDqHM11763 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000414135118.29544.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.5] by web3602.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 06:51:18 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 06:51:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: no oil pressure update To: Bill Huson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jeez, this happened on a 93 model??? How many miles were on this engine? Glenn --- Bill Huson wrote: > Several weeks ago my Hawg lost oil pressure on the > way to the dc-cycles > circle event. I dragged the beast home via pickup > truck, hoping that it > wa something *simple* and CHEAP like a pressure > sender unit. Yeah, like > I wish! No suck luck, so I left it at Crossroads > Cycle. I call Denny > to check on it and he sez, "Man, you gotta come up > and take a look at > this. I ain't seen one grenade this bad." > uh oh > oh crap > and &*^$%&%$ > The cam bearing puked and tossed junk into the oil > pump drive gear, > which blew out with enough force to bend the drive > gear shaft. Took > Denny three hours to cut the bent part off so he > could he could get it > out. No space to work in and hardened steel... > Since the engine is out > and in pieces, he's doing a few other R&R things. > Pending timely parts > arrival I should be back on the road before the end > of the month. > Yahoo! > > Bill > `93 FHLS - in piecey-parts > `66 Norton Atlas - in piecey-parts > checkbook - screaming in pain :-) > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 09:59:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EDxqM11853 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-170.patriot.net [209.249.180.170]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA32465; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:59:32 -0400 Message-ID: <38F72352.72D2EC09@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:55:30 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: no oil pressure update References: <20000414135118.29544.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Close to 19K. Hint for Harley EVO riders - the OEM cam bearing is a legendary piece of crap and should be replaced with a Torrington bearing. But I did buy the bike used and maybe abused in a short 4K miles. The base gaskets were weeping when I got it, which indicates taht it was ragged hard. Denny's fixing those too. My goodness, the only oil leak fixed? A leakless Harley? Hey, I can always dream :-) Bill Glenn Dysart wrote: > Jeez, this happened on a 93 model??? How many miles > were on this engine? > > Glenn > > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > Several weeks ago my Hawg lost oil pressure on the > > way to the dc-cycles > > circle event. I dragged the beast home via pickup > > truck, hoping that it > > wa something *simple* and CHEAP like a pressure > > sender unit. Yeah, like > > I wish! No suck luck, so I left it at Crossroads > > Cycle. I call Denny > > to check on it and he sez, "Man, you gotta come up > > and take a look at > > this. I ain't seen one grenade this bad." > > uh oh > > oh crap > > and &*^$%&%$ > > The cam bearing puked and tossed junk into the oil > > pump drive gear, > > which blew out with enough force to bend the drive > > gear shaft. Took > > Denny three hours to cut the bent part off so he > > could he could get it > > out. No space to work in and hardened steel... > > Since the engine is out > > and in pieces, he's doing a few other R&R things. > > Pending timely parts > > arrival I should be back on the road before the end > > of the month. > > Yahoo! > > > > Bill > > `93 FHLS - in piecey-parts > > `66 Norton Atlas - in piecey-parts > > checkbook - screaming in pain :-) > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 10:17:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f267.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3EEHGM12463 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 66898 invoked by uid 0); 14 Apr 2000 14:17:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20000414141705.66897.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.128.167.68 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:17:05 PDT X-Originating-IP: [192.128.167.68] From: "gil biker" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ducati 748 Biposto Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:17:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Folks, Can someone tell me about Ducati 748 Biposto -- i.e., performance, handling, comfort, etc. I am not familiar with this bike so I need some input. Thanks!!! VG ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 10:38:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EEcGM12862 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TZimm2450@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.64.1c270de (6537) for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:37:42 -0400 (EDT) From: TZimm2450@XXXXXX Message-ID: <64.1c270de.26288735@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:37:41 EDT Subject: FOR SALE To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 I have a 1997 YZF600R it has 12,000 miles and was used as a commuter bike 300 miles/week. It's red with black and white markings. Very clean. Never been down but was dropped once and blown over in a storm once. New D205's front and rear. Everything stock. Have a new addition to the family and haven't found a motorcycle baby seat. Does Shoei make 6month old helmets? kidding Asking $6000 paid $8100. Phone #703-561-0196 or reply to e-mail Trevor From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 10:44:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EEiAM12960 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2815C7MY>; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:37:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'gil biker'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ducati 748 Biposto Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:37:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcducati/00748.html This link has info about the Y2K Ducati 748. I think they're reviewing the monoposto version (i.e. "one seat") but the only difference should be the pillion seat. If it's anything like previous 748s, it's highly uncomfortable unless you're in the twisties, amazing handling, good power and expensive as hell. But hey, it's a Ducati and it looks like a 916/996 and that's enough for a lot of folks. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: gil biker [SMTP:gil_biker@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 10:17 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Ducati 748 Biposto > > > Folks, > > Can someone tell me about Ducati 748 Biposto -- i.e., performance, > handling, > comfort, etc. > > I am not familiar with this bike so I need some input. > > Thanks!!! > > VG > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 10:53:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EEr2M13302 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mantechserver (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id KAA11211; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:54:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nelson Fernandez" To: "Fizzer-Squad" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Bad bady Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 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AORHriP+Cpv/ACWbwR/2V25/9N+l18dQ/wCTov8A7FVP/wBXWUm3hr/yfvLf+xfmX/qtx4D/2Q== ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BFA5FE.C147D610-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 10:54:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3EEsOM13338 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13199 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2000 14:53:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000414145346.13195.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:53:46 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:53:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: John Deere Sighting To: "Weaver, Chris_\(MD\)" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yep, that was me, managed to get the commute home up to about 70 miles last night. It woulda been better if those two six-wheelers hadn't decided that one of them should roll over and block the intersection at 15 and 29 north of Warrenton. Thanks for letting me move over, it's nice when that happens. Leon. --- "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: > So there I was, sitting in bumper to bumper traffic > near Nutley on I-66 > yesterday at 5:30. Suddenly, a John Deere motorcycle > appears to my left in > the HOV lane. Who was it that owned that bike - > Leon, right? Anyway, I was > the BDC that let you merge over to the right when > the HOV lane backed up. > :^) > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > '92 Integra BDC > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 11:22:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EFMBM13884 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA07219 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:21:14 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: Ducati 748 Biposto Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:19:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bfa624$d45c1060$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <20000414141705.66897.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 http://www.onyerbike.net/oyb/pages/748biposto.htm http://www.motorcycleworld.co.uk/bikes/bikes.asp?page=Sports&testid=265&pare nt=265 http://www.roadracingworld.com/roadracingworld/ Go to "back issues" and choose "December 1999" Hope this helps. I also got many more hits off of "Dogpile.com" Cedric Folks, Can someone tell me about Ducati 748 Biposto -- i.e., performance, handling, comfort, etc. From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 11:25:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EFPNM13902 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user99.anent.com [208.195.115.99]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA08850; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:25:29 -0400 Message-ID: <02bc01bfa625$a9309f40$0100a8c0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Fizzer-Squad" , "Dc-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Bad bady Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:25:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 He looks like his cam bearing just took a shit. WAAAAAAAA! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson Fernandez" > I didn't take the picture, just passing it along. From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 12:42:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EGgAM15153 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.6.) id o.b1.30cc336 (3976); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:41:53 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:41:52 EDT Subject: Re: California Emissions requirement?? To: sdave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 102 In a message dated 4/14/00 6:00:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > I know of 2 bikers that ended up with CA models, Three. My Ducati is a California model... anyone ever seen one of these things?? I've got like 3.2 miles of hoses running around under me. Really annoying. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 13:40:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EHemM16004 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA14151 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:40:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Ducati 748 Biposto In-Reply-To: <000b01bfa624$d45c1060$770810ac@cedric> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Since folks are sending 748 links I'll send some as well. These are pics of the only 748 I've ridden with. http://members.nova.org/~kirk/echr/photo/deadduc1.jpg http://members.nova.org/~kirk/echr/photo/deadduc2.jpg http://members.nova.org/~kirk/echr/photo/deadduc3.jpg This particular one didn't crash too well (nor did the rider, who ended up wrapped around a guard rail). I've used these pics to point out the need to always ride your own ride. The 748 rider thought that he and his bike were good enough to keep up with another guy and his bike just because the other guy had a "lesser" bike. Just because the guy in front of you is on a little standard (Hawk GT in this case) or cruiser (esp. little Magnas :) ) doesn't mean that your full on sport bike is going to keep up... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 14:02:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f218.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.218]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3EI1xM16343 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 95110 invoked by uid 0); 14 Apr 2000 18:01:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000414180136.95109.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.128.167.68 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:01:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [192.128.167.68] From: "gil biker" To: CWeaver@XXXXXX, gil_biker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ducati 748 Biposto Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:01:36 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Thanks Chris! I'll read the article after work today. Yes, I agree with you when it comes to price -- Expensive! I'll do moe research on the websites this weekend. I am also checking the new CBR600F4 and thus far the critics gave it a high marks. Have a great weekend! V >From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" >To: 'gil biker' , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Ducati 748 Biposto >Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:37:04 -0400 > >http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcducati/00748.html > >This link has info about the Y2K Ducati 748. I think they're reviewing the >monoposto version (i.e. "one seat") but the only difference should be the >pillion seat. > >If it's anything like previous 748s, it's highly uncomfortable unless >you're >in the twisties, amazing handling, good power and expensive as hell. But >hey, it's a Ducati and it looks like a 916/996 and that's enough for a lot >of folks. > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR 1000 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: gil biker [SMTP:gil_biker@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 10:17 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Ducati 748 Biposto > > > > > > Folks, > > > > Can someone tell me about Ducati 748 Biposto -- i.e., performance, > > handling, > > comfort, etc. > > > > I am not familiar with this bike so I need some input. > > > > Thanks!!! > > > > VG > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 15:31:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EJVXM17704 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:32:26 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE330312F6@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Need DC Cycles Racing Logo Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:17:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Anyone have the DC Cycles Team Racing Logo scanned? Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 15:33:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EJXSM17714 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004141933.e3EJXSM17714@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.6.) id 2.8c.286f606 (6111) for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web46.aolmail.aol.com (web46.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.7]) by air-id02.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:33:14 -0400 Date: Fri Apr 14 15:33:13 2000 From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ducati 748 Biposto To: X-AOL-IP: 131.158.135.86 X-AOL-Password: netmail X-AOL-Netmail-Version: 2.0 X-AOL-Return-Receipt: No X-Mailer: Unknown sub 1 Hello, I have a 1997 748 that I bought new in Feb of 97. Unlike some people I chose the 748 not because it was less exspensive but because it felt and handled more like a racebike than the 916 did to me. I liked the revier engine and with the narrower wheels and tires, it turned in quicker. After riding a TZR 250 in Japan for two years I wanted something that felt similar and revved the same way. The 748 was the closer of the two. I've eaten up several 916's in the canyons of CA. who thought that they had "alot" on the 748. The engine revs smoothly and quickly with good pull from around three grand. It has a very strong top end rush from about 8 all the way up to 11 thou where it redlines at 11,200. The bike does not have the quick and nimble handling of an r-6, it takes a slight effort to move it from corner to corner but it is certainly nothing that you would ever complain about. Once you have chosen your line it will stay there forever without further input. The bike will easily handle any line corrections giving you unbeleavable confidence. The chasis can handle ANYTHING you can throw at it without so much as a hick-up. The brakes are good but with a little effort. The front end will give you all the feedback you will ever need even under the hardest braking. As for ergonomics...well it's not that bad really. I rode mine on backroads from Southern Cal up to Laguna Seca for the WSB in 98. I put in a total of 540 miles in a day. I wasn't ready for gymnastic competition afterward but I wasn't bed ridden either. This is not the bike to get if you will be caring a passenger with any regularity. If you are looking at the biposto and not the mono simply because of price, you will be happy to know I've seen many of the mono tails on e-bay for between 300 and 500 bucks. I'ts expsensive, but it was the best money I ever spent....even 3 years later! I hope this answers some of your questions. If you have anything else, please feel free to ask. Take care and Good luck, Jeff p.s. If you are looking for one, I highly suggest you contact MotoEuropa. They have both new and used Ducs and will be glad to help. They are not some high pressure outfit that doesn't give damn about you, like some of the local dealerships. Jeff Ozmen 748 Mark WERA # 86 MotoEuropa CCS # 268 804 355 0550 Sponsored by: MotoEuropa www.motoeuropa.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 16:38:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web306.mail.yahoo.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3EKcGM18734 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6529 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2000 20:38:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000414203809.6528.qmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:38:08 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:38:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Need DC Cycles Racing Logo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark, I have a few of the Corel files that were used for making the shirts and convertion to web image... will send them direct as soon as I get them off the hidden web page directory... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 16:40:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EKedM18759 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.bb.264cb64 (2616) for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:40:29 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:40:28 EDT Subject: Re: Ducati 748 Biposto To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 I'm gonna put in a shameless plug for Winchester Motorsports. Great dealer IMHO, and they now sell Ducs. Back in Feb they had '99 748s for $7295/7995 for half/full fairing models. Carl and Dana were great to deal with and cut me a really good deal on my Guzzi. Just my $.01 Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 16:49:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EKnWM18913 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2815C8GY>; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:42:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ducati 748 Biposto Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:42:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Rob, I think you're talking about the 750SS, not the 748. Totally different bikes. Chris '98 VTR > -----Original Message----- > From: NJitzul@XXXXXX [SMTP:NJitzul@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 4:40 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ducati 748 Biposto > > I'm gonna put in a shameless plug for Winchester Motorsports. Great dealer > > IMHO, and they now sell Ducs. Back in Feb they had '99 748s for $7295/7995 > > for half/full fairing models. Carl and Dana were great to deal with and > cut > me a really good deal on my Guzzi. Just my $.01 > > Rob VanSlyke > 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 18:02:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EM2BM19965 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12gE8P-0005WX-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:00:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:01:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell Reply-To: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: honda riders club In-Reply-To: <38F66100.896805DE@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > Do tell - why would a Honda rider need towing? Do Honda's really *break*? My > goodness, whoulda thunk. > > Bill > Of course they don't break. That's why towing is free they know it wont cost them anything. I mean like DuUUh. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 18:32:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EMWUM20394 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-98.patriot.net [209.249.180.98]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA08185; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:31:09 -0400 Message-ID: <38F79B3A.D67986D5@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:27:06 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hugh Caldwell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: honda riders club References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah, yes, now that's a possibility. I was thinking that since Hondas are so cheap and disposable, the rider merely shoved a broken one off into the woods and hitched home. har har har Bill Hugh Caldwell wrote: > Of course they don't break. That's why towing is free > they know it wont cost them anything. I mean like DuUUh. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 18:42:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.nai.com (relay2.nai.com [161.69.3.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EMgUM20544 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webshield2.na.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by relay2.nai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA19183 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: FROM na-ex-bridge2.nai.com BY webshield2.na.nai.com ; Fri Apr 14 15:45:14 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2J2BP1KF>; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:42:11 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2B95@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Bill Huson '" , "'Hugh Caldwell '" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: honda riders club Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:37:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bill, That reminds me. The other night I saw a guy showing off his Harley to a couple of friends. Said Harley was strapped down to a U-Haul garden trailer being pulled by a big SUV. I said to my wife that I'd like to own a Harley. She said: "We can't afford the truck." Perry Much love, really! ;^) -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson To: Hugh Caldwell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 4/14/00 3:27 PM Subject: Re: honda riders club Ah, yes, now that's a possibility. I was thinking that since Hondas are so cheap and disposable, the rider merely shoved a broken one off into the woods and hitched home. har har har Bill Hugh Caldwell wrote: > Of course they don't break. That's why towing is free > they know it wont cost them anything. I mean like DuUUh. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 18:50:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EMo4M20688 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA21821 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-98.patriot.net [209.249.180.98]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA09873; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:49:10 -0400 Message-ID: <38F79F73.ACE41802@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:45:07 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Coleman, Perry" CC: "'Hugh Caldwell '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: Re: honda riders club References: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B2B95@md-exchange1.nai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Isn't it amazing? The year I went to Daytona I rode down, wondering why I didn't see many bikes on the road. Geez, did I have the wrong dates? Nope, they were there, offloading from vans, pickups, trailers. But I'll build a trailer soon. My woman ain't a long distance bike cruiser, and there's no way I'm going on vacation without the scoot. Besides, a trailer will come in handy next time the ^*&%$& Hawg breaks. Why do Harleys cost a lot? Because they have a *soul* :-) Bill Coleman, Perry wrote: > Bill, > > That reminds me. The other night I saw a guy showing off his Harley to a > couple of friends. Said Harley was strapped down to a U-Haul garden trailer > being pulled by a big SUV. I said to my wife that I'd like to own a Harley. > She said: "We can't afford the truck." > > Perry > > Much love, really! ;^) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson > To: Hugh Caldwell > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Sent: 4/14/00 3:27 PM > Subject: Re: honda riders club > > Ah, yes, now that's a possibility. I was thinking that since Hondas are > so cheap and > disposable, the rider merely shoved a broken one off into the woods and > hitched > home. > har har har > > Bill > > Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > > Of course they don't break. That's why towing is free > > they know it wont cost them anything. I mean like DuUUh. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 19:52:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3ENqgM21508 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.68.2983d01 (3984) for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:52:26 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <68.2983d01.2629093a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:52:26 EDT Subject: New job, two days off to ride. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 100 Well guys and gals, I got a new job and gave my current employers the standard two-week "leave me the f#$k alone" notice. Anyway, my last day is the 26th and I start on May 1 so, I have Thursday and Friday off to go play around on the bike. The new job is sending me to their Atlanta office for two weeks orientation and training on the 1st. :-) Any ideas on how I might spend those two days between jobs? Anyone want to play hookie and lead a ride? I don't lead, only follow. ;-) I might even pull a ride sheet from Collin's site. Although, last time I did that, I ran into a "Road Closed - Bridge Out" halfway through the ride with no clue where the f#$k I was. =:-0 If nothing else, I might take a trip up to PA and spend a couple days. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 20:04:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web303.mail.yahoo.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3F04MM21666 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25126 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2000 00:04:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20000415000419.25125.qmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:04:19 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:04:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: avons To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Actually Chuck, he meant exactly what he said.. it was just worded such that not many(any other than me??) people got it.. he was saying BT-56SS (grouping it with the sport tires) AND that bridgestone has other more touring type tires such as BT-?? (don't know my bridgestone...) Guess all that grease monkeying has eroded Brian's writing skills ;-) Me?? I'm just an engineer.. we can't write proper sentences to save our lives anyhow!! lol Oh yeah.... it's TYRES!!! hehehehe CT ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 14 20:13:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web308.mail.yahoo.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3F0DtM21817 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 978 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2000 00:13:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20000415001353.977.qmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:13:53 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:13:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Bad bady To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nelson, EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL hehehehe Posting a binary file (ie jpg pictures) to a newsgroup is ALWAYS a bad thing. For us digest types, it shows up in ASCII form and made the list message jump over 160k of mostly useless gibberish. Mike Troutman has set up an ftp site to post said pics to, then you can just post a direct link to the list for everyone to click on...He can post the details again as i don't have them directly handy... Or you can post it on one of the numerous websites that allows picture hosting, or via someone like geocities that gives free home page space.. Not flamin ya.. just tryin to inform ;-) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 15 07:12:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3FBCkM03402 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 07:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-244-42.s646.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.244.42] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12gQUY-00003E-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 07:11:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bfa6ca$e36ded20$2af47ad1@oemcomputer> From: "Simon Cook" To: Subject: Bay bridge Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 07:08:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I'm going to Easton from Silver Spring in a couple of weeks and of course have to cross the Bay bridge.Anybody got any tips or experiences with this stretch of blacktop,frankly I find the crossing a little daunting.Is it windy,do those cages pay attention or is everyone looking at the view,what about the grating,do bikes pay a toll and if so how much,etc,etc?Is anyone else riding to the May 7th bike blessing? Many thanks Simon From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 15 07:46:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3FBkMM03848 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 07:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-106-168.s168.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.168] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12gR14-0003IZ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 07:45:35 -0400 Message-ID: <00f401bfa6d0$627b0120$a86aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Looking for 'Nomad' Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 07:47:31 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey Herb if you are out there, e-mail me or give me a call, 540-349-9992. Sorry for the bandwidth. Thanks, Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 15 08:16:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3FCGeM04241 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 08:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-128.s128.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.128]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12gRUP-0007Wf-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 08:15:53 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: race bikes Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:19:13 GMT Message-ID: <38f8861f.262511146@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3FCH2M04242 I have a question.. Race bikes seem to be pretty cheap.. for the budget impaired, the price (and converting back to street) seems a good method to buy a bike at a deep discount.. now why is it that I read online people should stay away from them? Are they prone to engine failure or what? Or just that they have no resale value? Pain in the @s# to convert back to street? btw Jay email me with the details on your bike, thanks. From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 15 08:30:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3FCUrM04443 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 08:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 08:30:50 -0400 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: "DC-Cycles" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: California Emissions requirement?? Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 08:30:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bfa6d6$6e916de0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <38F702CE.88C2FDAC@patriot.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Salesman's bullcrap at work. The package sez "California" and > isn't yet required in > the free world. Of course it is possible that basic design flaws > of the particular > cage required the CA pack to meet *any* emmisions requirements, > save for say - > Montana. Not correct, I'm afraid. Virginia is one of a group of "Northeastern" states that got permission from the EPA to adopt California emmisions requirements to help them meet EPA standards. I am NOT sure if Virginia applies this requirement statewide, or only in the DC area counties that are covered by the EPA emissions testing requirements. My wife's Toyota van has the California emmisions, too, although Toyota was nice enough not to charge anything extra for it. On the van it consists of 2 small, additional cats located right at the ends of the exhaust manifolds. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 15 09:53:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3FDraM05450 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 09:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.e0.327343b (6622) for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 09:52:42 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 09:52:42 EDT Subject: Re: Bay bridge To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Hi Simon You have to pay the same toll as the cars. It's no problem crossing the bridge, just take your time and relax. The worse part is going down the bridge as the wind is stronger there, get down low on your bike and you will be fine. As far as I remember there is no steel gratings on this bridge. Rmc From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 15 10:16:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3FEGYM05778 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id l.ae.3c2bb4b (3967); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:16:18 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:16:17 EDT Subject: Re: race bikes To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 4/15/00 8:18:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > Are they prone to > engine failure or what? Or just that they have no resale value? Pain > in the @s# to convert back to street? All of the above. I have to rebuild my race engines once a year. This is pretty much the same with everyone that has anything but a SuperSport legal bike. Even if it is SuperSport Legal, running the motor at peak 100% of the time does take it's toll... but don't tell Fagan, he might get a complex or something :) More than likely the frame/swingarm/forks/bodywork/etc are gonna be scratched, dented, bruised, etc... say good-bye to street resale value. Cost of reverse conversion: lights, bodywork, paint, hand controls, fan, horn, footpegs (unless you like rearsets), seat (if the tail has been converted). Possibly even a sub-frame if the one on the bike has been cut or replaced by aftermarket - you need a place to put all those wires and lights. Speaking of lights... the person who originally did the conversion probably mangled the wiring harness. Probably also needs to be re-jetted so that it can be driven on the street without burning up the clutch. I'm probably forgetting at least a couple other things. In general, you can find a much better streetbike for the net cost of buying a racebike and converting it back. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 15 10:36:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3FEa9M06038 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va13-31.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.159]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21123 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38F8A8A6.1624AEAB@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:36:38 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bay bridge References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But there are steel gratings coming back the other way (i.e., from the Eastern Shore to Annapolis). There's a grating that runs pretty much the middle third or so of the span in the left lane. So my advice would be to ride in the middle lane if you're going that direction. RMccre5861@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hi Simon > > You have to pay the same toll as the cars. It's no problem crossing the > bridge, just take your time and relax. The worse part is going down the > bridge as the wind is stronger there, get down low on your bike and you will > be fine. As far as I remember there is no steel gratings on this bridge. > > Rmc -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 15 10:50:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3FEogM06264 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-128.s128.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.128]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12gTtT-00027F-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:49:56 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: race bikes Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 17:53:12 GMT Message-ID: <38f8abe4.272182040@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3FEojM06265 Ok.. say I wanted to get involved in the race scene.. and only wanted to race at summit point or similiar distant tracks.. (is that realistic?) and my whole go was just not to come in last for the whole season LOL How much could i expect to lose from my wallet? I think we covered this convo before but I forgot.. or maybe put it like this; what's the least I can spend... and what class? assuming the person has never been on a track. :) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 15 11:03:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3FF3kM06411 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-106-168.s168.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.168] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12gU64-0004Ly-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:02:56 -0400 Message-ID: <019901bfa6eb$f4982400$a86aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <38f8abe4.272182040@smtp.erols.com> Subject: Re: race bikes Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:04:52 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 As someone who is trying to do this this season, I have found you must spend minimum: (Assuming you already have a suitable motorcycle) Safety equipment- don't skimp here, it may be your life. Figure Boots, leathers, gloves, helmet, back protector - $1300 mid-range Race school- $90.00 (by working corners and pre-register early Racing license- $100.00 Saftey wiring bike- $40.00 parts/tools and lots of time and patience; or take it to a race shop and spend $250 (?) Tires- see safety equipment - $300 / 3 weekends Registration / gate fees- $120 / weekend for 3 races Gas, oil, other consumables- $20.00 / weekend Remember this is what I would consider MINIMUM. This does not count other bike preparation like suspension, rear sets, clip-ons, bodywork. Anything else anybody? Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) Warrenton, VA Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 1:53 PM Subject: Re: race bikes Ok.. say I wanted to get involved in the race scene.. and only wanted to race at summit point or similiar distant tracks.. (is that realistic?) and my whole go was just not to come in last for the whole season LOL How much could i expect to lose from my wallet? I think we covered this convo before but I forgot.. or maybe put it like this; what's the least I can spend... and what class? assuming the person has never been on a track. :) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 15 11:59:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3FFxuM07112 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-78.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.78]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA28819 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 12:10:17 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01bfa6f3$09138080$17a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Moto-Related --- Earth Day 4/22 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:54:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 We all want only the best air for our carbs, right. The gentlest of rains dousing our just-polished chrome and paint. The most moderate of temps and lushest of flora for our roadventures. Support for all this can be given at Earth Day 2000 activities on the Mall -- Next Saturday, April 22 10-5. For more info: 202 408 ED2K (3325); www.earthday.net. Volunteering appropriate. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 15 13:21:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3FHLHM08183 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 13:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stpeter (pool181-31.patriot.net [209.249.181.31]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA06819; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 13:21:07 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 13:26:47 -0400 Message-ID: <01BFA6DE.3FCFD980.stpeter@patriot.net> From: "St. Peter" Reply-To: "stpeter@XXXXXX" To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: race bikes Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 13:26:38 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 49 TEXT Daniel, I think I can honestly say that I'm the only one who has actually executed a "go racing cheap and just for fun" plan on this list. Everyone else has gotten out of control. Now, there is a serious danger of this that can't be accounted for. But here is my cost breakdown from the last two seasons. The cheapest way to go is to get a well raced, but race condition bike. I also got some used leathers from the internet for $300 (road rashed, but safe $1200 new vansons). I just got an almost new set from Colleen for $400. So, assuming you take the same route, and buy my F2 :) $1800 bike, $3-500 leathers/boots used. You're looking at $2300 just for equipment to get started. Race school and licenses for both WERA and CCS come out to $250. My best estimation (with very good accuracy) is that a full race weekend costs around $400. That is around $200 in race fees and $200 in consumables (tires/brake pads/clutches etc.). Some weekends only cost race-fees, others cost sig nificantly more. This assuming that you run at Summit (easy on tires) and do the cheap thing and use the endurance compound race tires. One set of tires lasted me most of last season. I also ran lots of Saturday-only weekends. That way I could get 2 20-lap races in for $100 in race fees. The Sunday races are only 8-laps and cost $60/40/30, so around $120 for 3 races. I ran only at Summit (there are 8 race weekends/year there). Overall, last season I only spent about $2K. I already had the bike and other gear - of course. A significant factor in those costs was running the 4hr. endurance race. Overall, fun but not worth the extra $. I am not considering the incedentals like gas to/from the track, food, and such. I sorta figure I would've spent that just as a spectator anyway. The thing you have to be careful of is getting sucked into the competition aspect and spending big $ to actually WIN. I have found myself more than once scheming about selling everything I own for an R6. There are actually races within the races. The front runners are having a race, but in the middle there are the less experienced and less financed who are having a hell of a battle of their own. I took great pride in beating lesser riders on R6s and GSXRs with my old F2. Racing aint cheap, but it can be reasonable. Jay St. Peter '93 F2 (Race bike, for sale) From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 15 16:31:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3FKVsM10734 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-204-156.s537.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.204.156] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12gZDa-0005H3-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:31:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bfa718$fd456360$9ccc7ad1@oemcomputer> From: "Simon Cook" To: Subject: FOP ride Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:27:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Does anybody know when and where the FOP ride is on Sun,many thanks.Simon From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 15 19:10:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3FNAGM12829 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-128.s128.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.128]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12gbgv-00078t-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:09:29 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: http://www.motorcycle-info.com Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 02:12:38 GMT Message-ID: <38fb2064.302010140@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3FNAeM12830 well I finally have my own domain name. http://motorcycle-info.com (you can add www. to the front if it makes you feel good). There are a lot of links for the new rider or those wanting to learn. I think it's a good starting point to recommend to friends who want to learn to ride. It's mainly just links to good stuff, but a good starting point none the less. Check it out. i'm sure you'll see some familiar sites linked on my webpage, and instead of having to recommend people sites for msf, new enough, etc, you can just say "go to motorcycle-info.com and you'll find what you're looking for". Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 15 19:33:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3FNXUM13155 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 1.4b.2ac0bc0 (6963); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:32:50 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4b.2ac0bc0.262a5621@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:32:49 EDT Subject: Re: race bikes To: stpeter@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 4/15/00 1:23:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stpeter@XXXXXX writes: > The thing you have to be careful of is getting sucked into the competition > aspect and spending big $ to actually WIN. I have found myself more than > once scheming about selling everything I own for an R6. I wouldn't know ANYTHING about this. :) (If you ever want to see the closest thing to what an R4 SuperBike would be, come over for one of the GP parties at my place.) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Apr 15 22:52:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web308.mail.yahoo.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3G2qpP00457 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10539 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Apr 2000 02:52:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000416025236.10538.qmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:52:36 PDT Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:52:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: race bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Engine work Brian??? what's that?? hehehe Gotta love running a production motor... change the oil, adjust the valves now and then (long then) and give it gas.. heheheh Daniel, You sould be able to pick up a cheap used lightweight bike, likely an EX500, for under $2k, some even around $1k. As for costs... Give Duane a shout for gear. I just ordered my new race helmet for $95 (and yes... it's a good one.. Bell Legacy... Every bit as good as a Shoei RF and almost as good as an ARai (it isn't as light, but close). And his prices on Vanson leathers are great. Boots: Sidi Vertebrae. About $225 at Fast Lane out in Chantilly. Great protection and even comfortable to wear. Gloves: Held....expensive as hell, but worth it.. shop around for deals. I just found a brand spanking new pair of the carbon kevlar model (retails for $250) for $105 delivered on the roadracers.com classifieds. As for other expenses, it's going to depend on the bike. Lightweight is probably the cheapest to run so long as you don't have a fire breathing superbike motor like Brian. A fairly stock lightweight bike only needs one MAYBE two sets of tires per year. One or two sets of brake pads, etc etc. Danny was right on with the other costs... Now if you want to run a middleweight or heavyweight bike.... I don't want to brek down the individual costs, cause it will put me into a state of depression the rest of the night, but lets put it this way.... To run at the front of the novice pack on a stock GSXR750 with my slide the rear everywhere style, I spent at minimum $700 per weekend, sometimes a lot more. However, I was lucky... I won a lot of the Solo20 races and usually recouped about $150-$175...or about 3/4 of my entry fees or half a set of tires... however you want to look at it... If you really want a cost by cost break down, email me direct and I'll sit down and think it out... but it would obviously apply to heavyweight rather than lightweight (ie I used a new set of tires every weekend) It is worth every single penny of it though! Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 16 00:08:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3G48KP01701 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 00:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-128.s128.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.128]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12ggLL-0004fW-00; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 00:07:31 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: racing skills question ..... was Re: race bikes Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 07:10:34 GMT Message-ID: <38fd6142.318619035@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000416025236.10538.qmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000416025236.10538.qmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3G49DP01702 Lol no thanks about the heavyweight break down... that was a very interesting sample of information from the racers here. thanks guys. I guess it's fun to entertain the idea of going to the track and becoming a super rider (atleast compared to most street riders). just from going through it enough ( - practice). Maybe one day I will.. but.. I just started riding June of 99.. I think I would be too big for my britches to think i'm ready to ride with racers on a track.. Then the nearest track is 2 hours away. I hate 2 hour cage sessions. I don't even like an hour in a car. I look at it like this.. spend 4 thousand to race for a year.. have fun yet nothing tangible after the year.. or I can apply 4 thousand to a second street bike... or see how much money I could save in that year.. and the bike will atleast retain some value.. I do thoroughly believe racing is fun (understatement..ok wonderful? heh).. I just dont' think i'm ready to get myself into that addiction without having multiples of 4 grand to play with and being able to spend 4 grand and not miss it. Ok question for the racers.. what's the slowest you can go, and able to get your knee down? I would imagine you would need a good speed so the centrifigal force of the curve keeps the bike up (from falling over). and what about tire sizes.. for the older sportbikes with the narrow tires.. are they safe to drag knee and scrape pegs? or are they so thin they could slip out by going over the tractions edge? I never thought it was an issue until someone else pointed out their concern. I have a lot more trust in leaning my 600 than 250 now. because I know the rear has more of a contact patch and the 600 has more power to accellerate through the curve and keep the weight on the rear. I used to lean my 250 (just coasting) going down hill into this parking lot turn when i first got used to the bike.. but after slipping the front wheel on my 600 once, I lost confidence in down hill curves all together. kind of scary to be accellerating (for weight on the rear tire) and going down hill for me now. Ha I'd probably be in awe if I let collin or roachie show me what a ninja 250 can do . btw there is no class race for the ninja 250 is there? Oh man it would be halarious if I could actually pass some people on it : ) Daniel interesting stuff :) |>If you really want a cost by cost break down, email me direct and I'll |>sit down and think it out... but it would obviously apply to |>heavyweight rather than lightweight (ie I used a new set of tires every |>weekend) |> |>It is worth every single penny of it though! |> |>Collin |> |>===== |>Collin T. Fagan |>DC-Cycles Racing |>http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ |>Proudly sponsored by: |>Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) |>Dixie Cycles |>Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes |> |>__________________________________________________ |>Do You Yahoo!? |>Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. |>http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 16 01:46:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web301.mail.yahoo.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3G5kFP03195 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 01:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9026 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Apr 2000 05:46:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20000416054613.9025.qmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:46:13 PDT Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:46:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: racing skills question ..... was Re: race bikes To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Maybe one day I > will.. but.. I just started riding June of 99.. I think I would be > too > big for my britches to think i'm ready to ride with racers on a > track.. I've seen people with not much more experience than you out there racing and doing well... all depends on how quickly you learn and how receptive you are to help from those that have been around for a while...I've been riding since I was six, but you can bet your butt, that when I managed to get a full track day with Brian Summers (one of the MARRC instructors) I opened my head and listened to every word/demonstration he had as if I had never been on a bike before and just soaked it all in. Then the nearest track is 2 hours away. I hate 2 hour cage > sessions. I don't even like an hour in a car. > LOL... that's actually not too far... I was driving 8 hours to summit last season :) Nelson is 3, and Grattan this season is about 2.5. You could always have a buddy trailer stuff and then ride out... know several that do that. > I look at it like this.. spend 4 thousand to race for a year.. have > fun yet nothing tangible after the year. Well... I paid $3500 for my race bike, and I think when cleaned up I could still get close to that out of it... but all the other money spent, you're right... I'll never see it again... :) > > Ok question for the racers.. what's the slowest you can go, and able > to get your knee down? I would imagine you would need a good speed > so > the centrifigal force of the curve keeps the bike up Actually, I would guess maybe 25 mph?? I know I was getting damn close on Leon's small circles, and on is 50' circles I was going anywhere from 30-50mph and hovering just off the ground. > what about tire sizes.. for the older sportbikes with the narrow > tires.. are they safe to drag knee and scrape pegs? or are they so > thin they could slip out by going over the tractions edge? I never > thought it was an issue until someone else pointed out their concern. > Depends on the bike.. the contact patch isn't all that different in size if you have the proper tires on the proper rims. The fastest cornering bikes in the world are 125GP bikes, and they have somehting like a 130 rear?? or is it even that wide?? I wouldn't hesitate to drag hard parts on any of the sportbikes... lots of folks still racing 87-89 hurricanes and the older ninjas. > I used to lean my 250 (just coasting) going down hill into this > parking lot turn when i first got used to the bike.. but after > slipping the front wheel on my 600 once, I lost confidence in down > hill curves all together. kind of scary to be accellerating (for > weight on the rear tire) and going down hill for me now. > Downhill turns are shitty in the aspect that you can easily overload the front tire...err umm... twice in T4 at Summit last season. :( > Ha I'd probably be in awe if I let collin or roachie show me what a > ninja 250 can do . btw there is no class race for the ninja 250 > is there? Oh man it would be halarious if I could actually pass some > people on it : ) > hehehe.. only ninja 250 I have ever been on is Leon's John Deere (tm). I'll have to admit, it was the absolute easiest bike I have ever gotten on and been able to ride the heck out of... everything else has taken a few miles to adjust to. My only complaint with it was the lack of power that I was used to :) but you could have some real fun with it. Had a hoot with Leon's out at the first circles extravaganza. Well... there IS a class for the 250's to race in... we're on the wrong coast for it though... AFM out in Kalifornia. Wish it were adopted by more clubs... would be a very good, CHEAP, way to race and have fun. And from what I understand, it's competitive as hell cause all the bikes are sooo close in power output and chassis..(pretty much ninja250 and vtr250). Heck.. you already have it.. wire it up and race it in the lightweight class... If you're half a rider, I can guarantee you won't come in last :) CT ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 16 03:48:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web303.mail.yahoo.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3G7mhP06061 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 03:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15503 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Apr 2000 07:48:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20000416074826.15502.qmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 00:48:26 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 00:48:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Fwd: wtb race bike..attn Jay St. Peter To: celticracing@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tom, Jay St. Peter is sellig his F2... I am pretty sure $1800 was what he was asking...Solid running bike. I don't have his direct email, so I cross posted to DC-cycles as I know he watches that list (sorry all the other DCC types this doesn't apply too). And he's in the greater metro area.MD now I believe (recently moved) Hope your buddy gets all setup...I'm massivley working on my beast (still haven't fixed it from T$ at summit at the end of last season). First race is coming up this next weekend! Collin Tom wrote: A neighbor wants to get into racing. Is looking for a solid, entry-level bike. His first thoughts are Middleweight Supersport (F2, F3, FZR600), but others considered. Doesn't have to be trick, just solid and inexpensive. He (and I) are in Woodbridge, Northern Virginia. Please respond directly with bike, description, price and location. Thanks, Tom Fitzpatrick Celtic Racing (celticracing@XXXXXX) (http://www.celticracing.com) CCS EX #806 1989 Honda GB600RR SPONSORED BY: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (http://www.fastlanecycles.com); *Atop the Box Web Pages - dave@XXXXXX ;*Level 5 Fabrication - bigal@XXXXXX (http://www.levelfive.com); *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 16 20:22:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3H0MGP20668 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts008d35.phx-az1.concentric.net [207.155.237.143] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:21:55 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: RE: racing skills question ..... was Re: race bikes Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:21:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000301bfa802$da41ce90$8fed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > Ok question for the racers.. what's the slowest you can go, and able > to get your knee down? I would imagine you would need a good speed so > the centrifigal force of the curve keeps the bike up (from falling > over). Pretty damn slow. I've seen the YSR guys (on a skid-pad) get them down at about 15~20mph.. and, NO, they're not holding up the bikes with the knees at that point... :P > what about tire sizes.. for the older sportbikes with the narrow > tires.. are they safe to drag knee and scrape pegs? or are they so > thin they could slip out by going over the tractions edge? I never > thought it was an issue until someone else pointed out their concern. I've been going through the flame-wars on another list about this receintally. The size of the contact pacth (with correctly sized tires on the rims) is so small between a 120 and a 190 as to be almost impossible to measure. I asked a couple of my MMI instructors out here and they agreed that there's almost no change in the size of the contact patch. Now, the radials and larger tires are able to deal with more heat generated, and the radials have a more controlled contact patch.. but that's about it. Anyway... Go out and pull a track day or two if you're not yet hooked on racing. Even the slowest guys (umm.. Mr. Roach with his point and shoot US FZR last season) get faster with time on the bike and track, and it doesn't take that much time at all. And you know, that same US FZR has even been offered out as a rider school bike - I'm sure he'd offer it again after a street ride with you to see if you're a careful rider.... though I can't speak for him. Also, if you think you're slow, go try YSR racing - still need leathers, boots, helmet, gloves, etc ($1000 if done cheaply, yet will still be good quality) - and a YSR racebike can usually be had for about $500... my last YSR racing weekend cost me a grand total of $80 for gas, oil, license, and race fees... that got me 2 day of so much riding I was sore for a week and I didn't even use all the time availabe on either of those days to be on the track. The closest track to you is at 75&80, just off of I270.. a whole 40 minutes from College Park, MD. And if you go there and spectate, maybe make a few aquaintences - you might even be able to find yourself a free ride some weekend as they try to sink their hooks into you (it's addictive). In any case, off to clean up after my ride today.. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 16 22:54:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3H2s9P23032 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id l.16.29b68e9 (3970); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:53:51 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <16.29b68e9.262bd6bf@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:53:51 EDT Subject: Re: racing skills question ..... was Re: race bikes To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, gixer_racer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 4/16/00 12:10:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > Ha I'd probably be in awe if I let collin or roachie show me what a > ninja 250 can do . btw there is no class race for the ninja 250 > is there? Oh man it would be halarious if I could actually pass some > people on it : ) There was a guy running LW classes at summit last year on a ninja 250. He knew he wasn't going to win any trophies, but said he had a blast every weekend. As for your tires slipping out from under you... the whole reason you "get off the bike" is to *decrease* the amount you need to lean the bike for any given corner. By "hanging off" (properly) you lower the center of gravity, thus requiring less lean angle. Over the off-season I've been mentally working on my body positioning and got to try it out last weekend... the results were a race win, and a set of tires that looks like a street squid owns them! (LOTS of unused rubber at the edges). Now I just need to work on upping the speed and using the rest of the rubber... ::grin:: As for how fast to drag a knee.... ::shrug:: I could prob do it at 35mph if I set my mind to it... I'd look damn silly, but I think I could do it. T5 is the slowest turn at summit point, and it's easy to drag your knee there.... 2nd gear, bottom of the powerband, prob about... 55mph? (Collin?) It's hard to judge speed on a racebike... I didn't realize T3 was a 100mph+ turn till I starting thinking about RPMs and gears (you go through T3 in 4th gear, hitting 5th on the exit). Best not to think about it a lot of the time :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 16 23:07:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3H37nP23287 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id t.3e.28c3cf1 (3970); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:07:37 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3e.28c3cf1.262bd9f9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:07:37 EDT Subject: Re: racing skills question ..... was Re: race bikes To: v4mofo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 4/16/00 8:30:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, v4mofo@XXXXXX writes: > Even the slowest guys (umm.. Mr. Roach with his point and shoot US > FZR last season) get faster with time on the bike and track, and it doesn't > take that much time at all Hell, no we don't... we just get a bigger gun to point and shoot with! :) (Ok.. so maybe I learned how to corner at some point last year... doesn't mean I have to bring a knife to a gunfight this year to prove anything...) And Mr. Hugh Caldwell is borrowing last year's gun (FZR) this weekend to take the MARRC school, as a matter of fact. Provided he doesn't hurt it (Just kidding Hugh... no pressure) I'd prob let someone else use it for the next school as well. Seriously Daniel, you should wire up the 250 and hit one of the track days... I think you'd have a blast. We could wire it over here at my place in an evening. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 16 23:13:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3H3DtP23372 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id r.b6.3db8528 (3970); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:13:10 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:13:09 EDT Subject: 125 rear [was Re: racing skills question ] To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 4/16/00 1:47:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: > The fastest > cornering bikes in the world are 125GP bikes, and they have somehting > like a 130 rear?? or is it even that wide?? 120.... I run a 125gp rear mounted backwards on the front of my US FZR :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sun Apr 16 23:26:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3H3Q0P23557 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts008d35.phx-az1.concentric.net [207.155.237.143] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:25:52 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: RE: racing skills question ..... was Re: race bikes Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:25:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bfa81c$8e781bd0$8fed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <3e.28c3cf1.262bd9f9@aol.com> Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > > Hell, no we don't... we just get a bigger gun to point and shoot with! > >From what you've told me, that ain't no gun - that's a gorsh darn Atomic missle... And Daniel, if you rode your 250 at the track, you'd be the 2nd one that I know of.. Someone with a 250 pitted with us (I think he was a friend of Jon Broga) late last year. And, he did beat some people out there with more engine.. :) Cheers, YSR riding Brian - it ain't a gun, it's a spit-wad shooting straw. :P From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 09:08:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HD8AP03135 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mantechserver (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id JAA18333; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:09:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nelson Fernandez" To: "Collin T. Fagan" , Subject: RE: Bad bady Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:01:42 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <20000415001353.977.qmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry everyone Wasn't thinking. Hope all of you that get the digest format aren't to miffed. If your interested here is a link so you can see the picture in .jpg format in stead of ascii. http://www.walls-n-all.com/bad.jpg Really sorry about that. Nelson From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 10:00:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HE0JP04085 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2815C884>; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:53:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" , "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: racing skills question ..... was Re: race bikes Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:53:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I have a video called "Fast Riding the Kenny Roberts Way" which is fairly boring except for this one scene. In it, King Kenny is riding a YSR50, showing what's possible to a few guys he's teaching. KR is doing figure-8s around two cones spaced about fifteen feet apart. As he goes around the cones at say.. 10 or 15 mph, he's got his knee down and has the rear sliding like a motocrosser the entire way around the cones. At one point he does 5-foot circles around one cone, knee down and the rear tire didn't hook up ONCE. Fairly impressive. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. The rear tire size on a YSR50 must only be 100 or so (if that). > -----Original Message----- > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [SMTP:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 3:11 AM > To: Collin T. Fagan > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: racing skills question ..... was Re: race bikes > > Ok question for the racers.. what's the slowest you can go, and able > to get your knee down? I would imagine you would need a good speed so > the centrifigal force of the curve keeps the bike up (from falling > over). From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 10:31:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HEVFP04982 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.54.2e0b1a2 (15546) for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:30:56 -0400 (EDT) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Message-ID: <54.2e0b1a2.262c7a1e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:30:54 EDT Subject: V.I.R. ?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Did anyone from the list wind up going down to VIR this past weekend? I'd like to hear about the track and any race reports if there are any... see ya, jeff Jeff Ozmen duc 748 yam yzf 600r sponsored by: Motoeuropa and elf racing lubricants From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 11:04:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from biber.merctech.com ([64.14.100.187]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HF42P05453 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:bergman@biber [127.0.0.1]) by biber.merctech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00389 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:04:00 -0400 From: bergman@XXXXXX Message-Id: <200004171504.LAA00389@biber.merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Herndon Cycle Sport opinions? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:04:00 -0400 Any opinions on how Cycle Sport in Herndon is for Yamaha service? I'm in need of slightly-more-than-routine service on my GTS. Mark ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 11:56:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HFuWP06500 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12hDrE-0001Bt-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:54:40 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:56:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Herndon Cycle Sport opinions? In-Reply-To: <200004171504.LAA00389@biber.merctech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've been going to that shop off an on for 16 years and they haven't made me grab my ankles yet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 12:34:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HGYJP07190 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mantechserver (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id MAA06287 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:35:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nelson Fernandez" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Leather size? Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:28:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal I was wondering how to figure out what size leathers I would need and thought maybe someone on the list could help. I'm 6'2" and about 210# with a 34" waist (mmmmmmmm, cold beer). I was looking on ebay for some riding gear and knowing what size I am would be of great assistance. Thanks all Nelson From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 12:35:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HGZOP07267 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0FT600C6Z5HWLM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:22:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0FT6006015HWRN@XXXXXX>; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:22:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com ([166.37.214.8]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0FT6002HX5HVCJ@XXXXXX>; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:22:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localHost ([166.32.192.22]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <20000417162240.KNRY30401@[166.32.192.22]>; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:22:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Keiser Subject: For Sale: First Gear Jacket To: DC Cycles , VF VFR Reply , VFR One List Reply Message-id: <20000417162240.KNRY30401@[166.32.192.22]> X-Mailer: MailRoom for Internet v3.0d (www.SierraSol.com) For Sale: --------- Hein Gericke First Gear "Stealth-Pilot" Jacket Color: All Black Size: 42 Great Condition Never seen rain, nor the road up close. Snap in/out Thinsulate Liner. Body Armor in Shoulders and Elbows. Jacket New Lists for $585. Price: $325 Includes shipping to lower 48, and remaining HG Conditioner and Water Repellent Kit. Please email me off list if interested. Thanks. Rob '98 VFR800 Red From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 12:39:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HGdQP07279 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 8.29.3e02c9a (3968); Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:38:31 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <29.3e02c9a.262c9807@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:38:31 EDT Subject: Re: Herndon Cycle Sport opinions? To: bergman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 4/17/00 11:06:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bergman@XXXXXX writes: > Any opinions on how Cycle Sport in Herndon is for Yamaha service? I'm in need > of slightly-more-than-routine service on my GTS. I go to the Springfield store myself, but both are top notch when it comes to service. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 13:57:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HHvPP08567 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:54:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: DC Cycles Subject: *sigh* Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:54:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well this was certainly a crappy day to have the cage in the shop. -Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 14:01:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HI15P08672 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 17 Apr 2000 13:59:27 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Leather size? Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:05:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Nelson, I am 6'3, 195lb. with 33" waist. Both my sets of leathers are size US48 (I think that is Euro 58 on my new AGVs). The Vansons don't hit my knee right with the knee cup. That caused me to do some damage to the leather on the leg and rip the knee puck off during the endurance race last season. The new AGVs are a little short from shoulder to crotch. Slightly uncomfortable when standing straight up, but fine on the bike. Both have plenty of room around the midsection for some extra malted beverages. It's rare you see them used that size, but I got both sets of mine used. You just have to be patient. Also see Colleen at www.leatherexchange.com. You just missed a set of AGVs that are almost brand new :) She'll probably let you know if she comes upon anything that will work. Standard leathers may not fit you properly, but my guess is that the size I use would fit you better than me. I just don't want to shell out the ca$h for custom fit, so I'll speak an octave higher for now. I think the AGV web site has a chart of what sizes fit what build. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 14:12:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HICjP08862 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mantechserver (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id OAA25100; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:14:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nelson Fernandez" To: "Jay St. Peter" Cc: Subject: RE: Leather size? Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:06:37 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Thanks Jay That helps alot. Good luck this season, hopefully I will get a chance to come out this year and root for you all. Nelson -----Original Message----- Nelson, I am 6'3, 195lb. with 33" waist. Both my sets of leathers are size US48 (I site has a chart of what sizes fit what build. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 14:20:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HIKYP09053 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 17 Apr 2000 14:19:28 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Herndon Cycle Sport opinions? Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:25:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Been there a couple of times without problems. Most people seem pretty happy with them. There was a negative story about them here a couple of years ago, but I don't really remember the details. I seem to remember it being handled pretty well in the end though. I wouldn't hesitate to go back, they haven't wronged me ... yet anyway :) Jay St. Peter '95 ZX9R (for sale) From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 14:40:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HIebP09366 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:40:13 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33031319@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'David Forbes'" , "'Brian Walker'" Subject: First BIKE NIGHT of the Season Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:36:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Chuck and Mark, in conjunction with dc-cycles.org presents... BIKE NIGHT CarPool Restaurant and Bar 4000 Fairfax Drive Arlington, VA Sunday, May 7, 2000 6pm to 9pm Join DC area motorcyclists at Carpool (http://www.gocarpool.com) in Arlington, Virginia for the first BIKE NIGHT of the summer. ALL motorcyclists (cruisers, sportbikes, touring bikes, dirt bikes) are welcome to join in the fun and camaraderie. BIKE NIGHT will feature: * Motorcycle videos * Door prizes courtesy of area motorcycle shops and other businesses * Lots of good food and drink * Pool and darts * Reserved motorcycle parking at CarPool (first come-first served basis) If you ride a motorcycle (and even you don't), this is where you'll want to be on May 7th. For more information, please contact: Mark Kitchell (markkitchell@XXXXXX or 703-299-9727) Chuck Pena (cvkgpena@XXXXXX or 703-522-6581) From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 14:44:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HIi1P09452 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellud5t4) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12hGUD-00055t-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:43:05 -0400 Message-ID: <01c901bfa89c$9af1ddd0$915d800a@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: References: Subject: Selling the ZX9R Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:41:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Aren't you selling your CBR too? Won't that leave you with 0 bikes? Kirt From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 15:12:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HJCNP09964 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va15-49.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.113]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25575 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38FB8D21.9B668BD2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:16:01 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: First BIKE NIGHT of the Season References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33031319@QSI_TYSONS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you belong to another motorcycle list, please pass this info along. I've already sent this message to rec.motorcycles, rec.motorcycles.racing, alt.motorcycle.sportbike, and the Suzuki list. Thanx! Chuck (of "Chuck and Mark") Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Chuck and Mark, in conjunction with dc-cycles.org presents... > > BIKE NIGHT > CarPool Restaurant and Bar > 4000 Fairfax Drive > Arlington, VA > Sunday, May 7, 2000 > 6pm to 9pm > > Join DC area motorcyclists at Carpool (http://www.gocarpool.com) in > Arlington, Virginia for the first BIKE NIGHT of the summer. ALL > motorcyclists (cruisers, sportbikes, touring bikes, dirt bikes) are welcome > to join in the fun and camaraderie. > > BIKE NIGHT will feature: > * Motorcycle videos > * Door prizes courtesy of area motorcycle shops and other businesses > * Lots of good food and drink > * Pool and darts > * Reserved motorcycle parking at CarPool (first come-first served > basis) > > If you ride a motorcycle (and even you don't), this is where you'll want > to be on May 7th. > > For more information, please contact: > > Mark Kitchell (markkitchell@XXXXXX or 703-299-9727) > Chuck Pena (cvkgpena@XXXXXX or 703-522-6581) From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 15:13:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HJCxP09974 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:12:54 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33031327@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Please cross post Bike Night invite Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:09:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Can any of you please cross post the Bike Night email to other moto-related mailing lists. Chuck has taken care of rec.motorcycles and rec.motorcyces.racing (or something like that) and I have taken care of the VFR list. If you do, please email me. Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 17:43:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HLhTP12524 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA22633; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38FB85AA.98ED4B91@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:44:10 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell , "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: Please cross post Bike Night invite References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33031327@QSI_TYSONS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, I'll send that to the Suzuki Owners Club, Maryland list for you. Steven C. Di Pietro Maryland Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club http://www.soc-usa.org http://www.egroups.com/group/SOCMd Mark Kitchell wrote: > Can any of you please cross post the Bike Night email to other moto-related > mailing lists. Chuck has taken care of rec.motorcycles and > rec.motorcyces.racing (or something like that) and I have taken care of the > VFR list. > > If you do, please email me. > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 17:57:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HLveP12806 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-101.patriot.net [209.249.180.101]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA24088; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:57:34 -0400 Message-ID: <38FB87D7.E10F2588@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:53:27 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" , "'David Forbes'" , "'Brian Walker'" Subject: Re: First BIKE NIGHT of the Season References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33031319@QSI_TYSONS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Drats. I'll be working an outboard race in NC that weekend. Bill Mark Kitchell wrote: > Chuck and Mark, in conjunction with dc-cycles.org presents... > > BIKE NIGHT > CarPool Restaurant and Bar > 4000 Fairfax Drive > Arlington, VA > Sunday, May 7, 2000 > 6pm to 9pm > > Join DC area motorcyclists at Carpool (http://www.gocarpool.com) in > Arlington, Virginia for the first BIKE NIGHT of the summer. ALL > motorcyclists (cruisers, sportbikes, touring bikes, dirt bikes) are welcome > to join in the fun and camaraderie. > > BIKE NIGHT will feature: > * Motorcycle videos > * Door prizes courtesy of area motorcycle shops and other businesses > * Lots of good food and drink > * Pool and darts > * Reserved motorcycle parking at CarPool (first come-first served > basis) > > If you ride a motorcycle (and even you don't), this is where you'll want > to be on May 7th. > > For more information, please contact: > > Mark Kitchell (markkitchell@XXXXXX or 703-299-9727) > Chuck Pena (cvkgpena@XXXXXX or 703-522-6581) From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 18:00:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HM0YP12903 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-101.patriot.net [209.249.180.101]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA24465; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:00:27 -0400 Message-ID: <38FB8883.85E2C629@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:56:19 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Please cross post Bike Night invite References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33031327@QSI_TYSONS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I notified a collection of former RiderCourse novices, many of whom have bikes now. Bill Mark Kitchell wrote: > Can any of you please cross post the Bike Night email to other moto-related > mailing lists. Chuck has taken care of rec.motorcycles and > rec.motorcyces.racing (or something like that) and I have taken care of the > VFR list. > > If you do, please email me. > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 18:31:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HMV3P13434 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-121-93.s93.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.121.93]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12hK21-00032q-00; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:30:14 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: racing skills question ..... was Re: race bikes Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:33:47 GMT Message-ID: <38fbb58d.3128880@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000416054613.9025.qmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000416054613.9025.qmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3HMV7P13435 |>Actually, I would guess maybe 25 mph?? I know I was getting damn close |>on Leon's small circles, and on is 50' circles I was going anywhere |>from 30-50mph and hovering just off the ground. awesome. I hope he has another circles event when the weather is warmer. |>hehehe.. only ninja 250 I have ever been on is Leon's John Deere (tm). |>Had a hoot with Leon's out at the first circles extravaganza. was that with our without the tupperware solo seat cowl on the back? |>and vtr250). Heck.. you already have it.. wire it up and race it in |>the lightweight class... If you're half a rider, I can guarantee you |>won't come in last :) I think the bike is too pretty to punish it like that :) I think if/when i'm ready to race i'll go with the ysr80's. I dont' think i can afford an addiction right now. :) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 18:44:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HMidP13615 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-121-93.s93.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.121.93]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12hKF5-00065O-00; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:43:43 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re: racing skills question ..... was Re: race bikes Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:47:17 GMT Message-ID: <38fcbc29.4821135@smtp.erols.com> References: <000301bfa802$da41ce90$8fed9bcf@tra> In-Reply-To: <000301bfa802$da41ce90$8fed9bcf@tra> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3HMjAP13616 On Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:21:19 -0700, you wrote: |>Pretty damn slow. I've seen the YSR guys (on a skid-pad) get them down at |>about 15~20mph.. and, NO, they're not holding up the bikes with the knees |>at that point... :P very interesting.. |>speak for him. Also, if you think you're slow, go try YSR racing - still |>need leathers, boots, helmet, gloves, etc ($1000 if done cheaply, yet will |>still be good quality) - and a YSR racebike can usually be had for about |>$500... my last YSR racing weekend cost me a grand total of $80 for gas, $500, not bad. I probably need about >$200 worth of gear to be completely official. Is there some type of YSR80 enthusiasts home page? |>those days to be on the track. The closest track to you is at 75&80, just |>off of I270.. a whole 40 minutes from College Park, MD. And if you go there 40 minutes.. I've got to find out more about this place. I'm not ready to be addicted just yet but I do want plenty of cournring practice. So anyway I want to go spectate..and if I get a free ride then I'll just have to test my will power hehe. |>and spectate, maybe make a few aquaintences - you might even be able to find |>yourself a free ride some weekend as they try to sink their hooks into you |>(it's addictive). You mean just a good willed racer? or the track has bikes? From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 18:55:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3HMteP13808 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts006d11.phx-az1.concentric.net [207.155.237.23] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:55:34 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Cc: Subject: RE: racing skills question ..... was Re: race bikes Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:56:11 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bfa8c0$2059b380$17ed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <38fcbc29.4821135@smtp.erols.com> Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > > $500, not bad. I probably need about >$200 worth of gear to be > completely official. Is there some type of YSR80 enthusiasts home > page? You'll have to search for stuff in your area, but try http://www.teamcalamari.com > |>and spectate, maybe make a few aquaintences - you might even be > able to find > |>yourself a free ride some weekend as they try to sink their > hooks into you > |>(it's addictive). > > You mean just a good willed racer? or the track has bikes? Good willed racers - at least that's true out this direction. When I asked about borrowing a stock 50 bike to race, I had 3 offers in about 2 days. Most the riders are more than eager to get someone else hooked on the bikes, and if that's letting someone ride their bike, and possibly race it - then so be it. I had an opportunity to ride a Canadian 80 with a grand total of 43 miles on the clock. A bike that later sold for almost $3,000... and the owner was more than willing to let me take it out for a spin.. it didn't matter that it was a mint example of one of the rarest YSRs with next to no miles. That's the kind of people I'm finding all through the YSR circle. Anyway, hope you have fun if you go... I know someone on the list has been out to the races and has more info for you.. I just can't remember who (Chris Weaver maybe?). Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 19:49:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HNnOP14688 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.68.2accdc5 (4243) for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:49:15 -0400 (EDT) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <68.2accdc5.262cfcfb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:49:15 EDT Subject: looking for a VFR 750 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Had a friend tell me today that he's looking for a VFR750. He wants the last of the 750s. I believe it's from 95-98 or something like that. If you've got one for sale let me know and I'll pass it on. Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 19:52:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HNqZP14767 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id p.ad.24e5380 (4050); Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:52:24 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:52:23 EDT Subject: Re: Leather size? To: nelson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 100 In a message dated 4/17/2000 12:36:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nelson@XXXXXX writes: << I was wondering how to figure out what size leathers I would need and thought maybe someone on the list could help. I'm 6'2" and about 210# with a 34" waist (mmmmmmmm, cold beer). I was looking on ebay for some riding gear and knowing what size I am would be of great assistance. Thanks all Nelson >> About the same size as me. I'd say a 42 or 44 U.S. 52 or 54 European. Depends on what you're looking at in regards to one or two piece. Also depends on if you want to breathe or not. ;-) Check out Colleen's site at www.leatherexchange.com. She has a lot of good gear for reasonable prices and can tell you exactly what size you are. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 19:54:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3HNsQP14793 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 8.ee.3ef6006 (4050); Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:53:55 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:53:54 EDT Subject: Re: Herndon Cycle Sport opinions? To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, bergman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 100 In a message dated 4/17/2000 12:41:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BryanRoach@XXXXXX writes: << > Any opinions on how Cycle Sport in Herndon is for Yamaha service? I'm in need > of slightly-more-than-routine service on my GTS. I go to the Springfield store myself, but both are top notch when it comes to service. - Roach >> I've only been to the Springfield shop and I can agree with Bryan. They're even the ones responsible for selling me my new R6. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Mon Apr 17 20:58:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3I0wpP15790 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-121-93.s93.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.121.93]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12hML1-0002rW-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:58:00 -0400 From: itm@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: (fwd) FS: Garmin GPS-12 handheld Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 04:01:35 GMT Message-ID: <38fbde0e.13498915@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3I0xEP15791 On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:36:43 -0400, in um.forsale "W. J. Von Alt II" wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >Brand new Garmin GPS-12 handheld unit forsale. Opened, but never used >(was a gift). Have all original packaging, documentation, batteries, etc. > >Retails for $147.95, looking for $100.00 or best offer! (Will ship within >US). > >\ W. J. Von Alt II - IVSP:HCI-Edu.Tech.\ _ ______ | > \ 3304 Benjamin Building, U of MD \ / \___-=O`/|O`/__| > \ College Park, MD 20742 \_______\ / | / ) > / 240-568-9398 / 301-405-2825 / `/-==__ _/__|/__=-| > / http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~wjvonalt/ / * \ | | >/ EDHD Computer Systems/Tech. Support / (o) > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.6.2 > >iQCVAwUBOPs9nhcMb5WG0k4xAQEKJQP+MI9lQ8/DZbCPKOHb3/FErixhUp6/OBp9 >Scj2qr1MTvJgUuhgaq9z+9NamOkf4GBGqEpEDrQLDeediAqHRqbAT3ZoSA5NaTkT >1t3c4mNlo4NAPQEHiZQKiitbwGmWfcdRV6tlkE8ewbC9+IFT2VpDrhu/lJaOtafA >CEiy3H+OMNU= >=eFL8 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 06:59:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com (e23.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IAxEP25923 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 06:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e23.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA32082 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 06:41:08 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id GAA35114 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 06:59:09 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852568C5.003C46DE ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 06:58:23 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852568C5.003C4522.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 06:58:15 -0400 Subject: RE: First BIKE NIGHT of the Season Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Mark and/or Chuck wrote... > ALL motorcyclists (cruisers, sportbikes, touring bikes, dirt bikes) are welcome >to join in the fun and camaraderie. Yeah, just keep those damn vintage bike @ssholes away. ;) Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '65 Norton Atlas cafe racer [soon to be Triton] project http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 07:12:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IBCUP26173 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-142.patriot.net [209.249.180.142]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA16717; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:10:26 -0400 Message-ID: <38FC41A8.D39ED7EC@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:06:17 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rcrishoc@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First BIKE NIGHT of the Season References: <852568C5.003C4522.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit YEAH! How come vintage bikes are left out? Hey, If I was gonna be in town I could *push* my Norton there. Easier than pushing the Harley there. Bill rcrishoc@XXXXXX wrote: > Mark and/or Chuck wrote... > > ALL motorcyclists (cruisers, sportbikes, touring bikes, dirt bikes) are > welcome > >to join in the fun and camaraderie. > > Yeah, just keep those damn vintage bike @ssholes away. ;) > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > '65 Norton Atlas cafe racer [soon to be Triton] project > http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ > Sterling From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 08:55:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3ICtRP27709 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:55:16 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33031349@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'rcrishoc@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: First BIKE NIGHT of the Season Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:51:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain The poster has BRITBIKES on it (-: > -----Original Message----- > From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX [SMTP:rcrishoc@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 6:58 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: First BIKE NIGHT of the Season > > > > > Mark and/or Chuck wrote... > > ALL motorcyclists (cruisers, sportbikes, touring bikes, dirt bikes) are > welcome > >to join in the fun and camaraderie. > > > Yeah, just keep those damn vintage bike @ssholes away. ;) > > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > '65 Norton Atlas cafe racer [soon to be Triton] project > http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ > Sterling > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 09:30:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IDUmP28936 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2815C033>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:23:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: racing skills question ..... was Re: race bikes Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:23:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Yep, I've been out there along with a handful of other listers. It seems like a real blast, and I might start racing that way myself soon. Just as it is with Daniel, for me it's all about the money right now. It's fun to watch too, since you can see the whole track at once and the racing is usually pretty fierce. Crashes seem to happen at least once a race, with the racer very rarely injured. Usually they just go head over heels into the hay bales. :^) I think you'll find that a used YSR race bike will cost you more than $500 though. Maybe out west where there are a lot of those bikes and a lot of race venues, but around here you'll pay at least a grand just to get one that will run. I looked into it fairly thoroughly last year. On the upside, consumable YSR parts seem relatively cheap thanks in great part to Team Calimari and the fact that it's such a small bike. On the downside, it's a two-stroke racebike meaning that you'll have to rebuild the engine more often. On the upside again, tires will probably last a whole year or more and entry fees are much cheaper. I'd guess that a season of YSR racing would probably cost half (or less) of what a season of summit point lightweight twin racing would cost. Depends on how hooked you get I suppose. Chris Weaver > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:v4mofo@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 6:56 PM > To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: racing skills question ..... was Re: race bikes > Anyway, hope you have fun if you go... I know someone on the list has > been > out to the races and has more info for you.. I just can't remember who > (Chris Weaver maybe?). > > Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 09:34:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IDYLP28962 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000418133321.DWEB12074.ewey.excite.com@prickles> for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 06:33:21 -0700 Message-ID: <19098128.956064801307.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 06:33:21 -0700 (PDT) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: covers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 Anybody have any suggestions for a good place, and/or brand of, cover for the garage impaired? James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 09:43:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IDhgP29238 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:43:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200004180943.AA376505006@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , CC: "Concours Owners Group" Subject: Re: John Deere Sighting X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Leon Begeman Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:53:46 -0700 (PDT) >Yep, that was me, managed to get the commute home up >to about 70 miles last night. Leon, You would really like my commute this week. It's Spring Break for the kids, so we took off and are staying at a resort out in Basye, VA. It's about 11 miles west of I-81 Exit 273 (Mt. Jackson Exit). It's about 100 miles each way to the office in Chantilly. Yes, it rained the whole way in this morning (but I'm still dry!!) Ever tried Route 263 out of Mt. Jackson? It's a screaming hoot, great pavement, nicely banked corners, most of which are through rolling farmland and allow clear sight lines. Lots of other cool roads, too. We're about 25 miles from the western switchbacks on 211. I checked those out yesterday. Woohoo! There's a little bit of stinky farmland and trailer park Americana out this way, but the roads are great. I've got the rest of the week to enjoy the new commute. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 09:58:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IDwGP29581 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA00711 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-44.patriot.net [209.249.180.44]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA32078; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:49:20 -0400 Message-ID: <38FC66E6.1288FE49@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:45:10 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Hoofnagle CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: covers References: <19098128.956064801307.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Methinks mine is DOW - or some such brand. Silvered near the pipes, charcoal gray elsewhere, elastic on the bottom, and soft fuzzys on the inside where the cover hits the windscreen. No brand name marks like "Harley", although many harley dudes recommend getting one that sez "Gold WIng" `cause who in hell would wanna steal one of those :-) Bill James Hoofnagle wrote: > Anybody have any suggestions for a good place, and/or brand of, cover for > the garage impaired? > > James > E-TKT > > _______________________________________________________ > Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 10:01:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IE19P29748 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA02178 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:59:52 -0400 (EDT) From: TZell@XXXXXX Message-Id: <200004181359.JAA02178@bacardi.torrentnet.com> Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) with SMTP; 18 Apr 2000 16:59:25 UT To: "horkster@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: John Deere Sighting Message-ID: <20000418100023619-6ab4f1a1@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey... why don't you put together a list of roads so us twisties riders can go have a chance at straightening the curves! :-) Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: John Deere Sighting Author: horkster@XXXXXX Date: 04/18/2000 9:43 AM ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Leon Begeman Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:53:46 -0700 (PDT) >Yep, that was me, managed to get the commute home up >to about 70 miles last night. Leon, You would really like my commute this week. It's Spring Break for the kids, so we took off and are staying at a resort out in Basye, VA. It's about 11 miles west of I-81 Exit 273 (Mt. Jackson Exit). It's about 100 miles each way to the office in Chantilly. Yes, it rained the whole way in this morning (but I'm still dry!!) Ever tried Route 263 out of Mt. Jackson? It's a screaming hoot, great pavement, nicely banked corners, most of which are through rolling farmland and allow clear sight lines. Lots of other cool roads, too. We're about 25 miles from the western switchbacks on 211. I checked those out yesterday. Woohoo! There's a little bit of stinky farmland and trailer park Americana out this way, but the roads are great. I've got the rest of the week to enjoy the new commute. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 10:10:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IEAuP29898 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA03308 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:08:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200004181008.AA237896458@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: New job, two days off to ride. X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX >The new job is sending me to their Atlanta office for >two weeks orientation and training on the 1st. :-) Any ideas >on how I might spend those two days between jobs? Riding to Atlanta, I would think. Get the new company to pay you mileage right from the get-go. :) Congrats on the new job. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 10:12:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IECXP29999 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA03488 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:11:16 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.1e.40ed01f (4236) for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e.40ed01f.262dc693@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:09:23 EDT Subject: Re: covers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 I've got a Dowco "Guardian" cover I ordered through www.Denniskirk.com. I've been using it for over a year with no leaks or other problems. Rob Note: This message may contain sarcasm. If you can't take sarcasm, please disregard this message and get a life. :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 10:16:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IEGrP00235 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA04463 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:16:37 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 207-172-121-93.s93.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.121.93]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12hYjq-0007FS-00; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:12:27 -0400 To: James Hoofnagle Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: covers Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:16:09 GMT Message-ID: <38fd97b3.61031423@smtp.erols.com> References: <19098128.956064801307.JavaMail.imail@prickles> In-Reply-To: <19098128.956064801307.JavaMail.imail@prickles> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3IEGvP00236 I bought a shed. I think next time I'd build one tho. If you have yard I highly recommend it : ) sometimes you just wnat to pull in out of the rain, or go straigth to bed rather than fiddling with a cover :) plus you'd have a place to work on the bike. Daniel On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 06:33:21 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>Anybody have any suggestions for a good place, and/or brand of, cover for |>the garage impaired? |> |>James |>E-TKT |> |> |> |> |> |>_______________________________________________________ |>Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite |>Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 10:17:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web305.mail.yahoo.com (web305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.236]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3IEGwP00245 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28678 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2000 14:16:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000418141651.28677.qmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.99] by web305.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:16:51 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:16:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: covers To: James Hoofnagle , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What style bike do you have? (Cruiser, sport tourer, touring, etc.) The reason I ask is I have an almost new (used for maybe 2-3 months) OSI Sport Tourer cover that I don't use, and can sell for a lot less than you'd find it in the cycle shops. I added a Givi trunk to my Concours, and now use a touring bike cover. Otherwise, most bike shops sell the covers. Shop around as some are better priced than others. Make sure the cover can breathe. You don't want one that will trap all the moisture under the cover and let it steam in a hot day. Also make sure that the parts of the cover that will touch your pipes and/or engine are not plastic or some other meltable material. I've always used OSI covers with good results. Dow covers look good as well. Your best bet would be to go to your local friendly dealer and tell them what bike you have and they'll tell you what works well. The folks at Cycle Sports Springfield helped me each time I needed a cover (my old Nighthawk, the Concours, then the Concours w/ bag) and they were always perfect fits. I sympathize with being garage impaired... I'm looking for a townhouse now, and my 2nd requirement is that it has a garage (my first is that I can actually afford the place!) Louis --- James Hoofnagle wrote: > Anybody have any suggestions for a good place, and/or brand of, cover for > the garage impaired? > > James > E-TKT > _______________________________________________________ > Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 10:23:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IENlP00379 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA04359 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA17427 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:15:33 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: covers Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:13:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bfa940$3cc7ee80$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19098128.956064801307.JavaMail.imail@prickles> I'm interested in the same information. I am looking to replace my OSI cover which is on its last legs and is only held together by the abundance of dried bird s**t that has landed on it. The OSI has been pretty good, but the elastic at the bottom tears out easily and catches on the shifter/brake lever/mirrors. It is breathable via a plethora of tiny holes, but this lets dust get on the bike over time. As the cover gets old and starts to disintegrate it leaves its own powdery residue on the bike which always makes it look dirty. My neighbor uses a solid nylon cover from Dowco which has faded severely after only one season, but I don't know what it does for the bike as he's a warm-weather rider and I haven't seen it uncovered very much:) Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA Anybody have any suggestions for a good place, and/or brand of, cover for the garage impaired? James E-TKT From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 10:37:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IEbUP00711 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2815C04B>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:30:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'bernescut@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: covers Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:30:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, the Dowco covers will fade. No doubt about that. Between my next-door neighbor and myself, we have three of them, and they all faded. Do not, however, equate fading with deterioration. The cover I have is as effective as the day I bought it. (Perhaps more, since old-looking covers are said to deter thieves) One thing to be careful of, though, is to make sure the cover is loose if you use a rear seat cowl. If the cover stretches across the seat cowl (as it does on my Superhawk), it's possible to get scuffs on the paint when the wind moves the cover around. Better to have it a bit baggy or take the cowl off when you use the cover. Remember if you leave it baggy, it will flap a lot in heavy wind, possibly pulling itself off of the bike or causing tears. Kind of a tradeoff if you have a seat cowl. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Cedric Bernescut [SMTP:bernescut@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 10:13 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: covers > > I'm interested in the same information. I am looking to replace my OSI > cover which is on its last legs and is only held together by the abundance > of dried bird s**t that has landed on it. The OSI has been pretty good, > but > the elastic at the bottom tears out easily and catches on the > shifter/brake > lever/mirrors. It is breathable via a plethora of tiny holes, but this > lets > dust get on the bike over time. As the cover gets old and starts to > disintegrate it leaves its own powdery residue on the bike which always > makes it look dirty. My neighbor uses a solid nylon cover from Dowco > which > has faded severely after only one season, but I don't know what it does > for > the bike as he's a warm-weather rider and I haven't seen it uncovered very > much:) > Cedric > 1996 CBR600F3 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > Anybody have any suggestions for a good place, and/or brand of, cover for > the garage impaired? > > James > E-TKT > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 11:12:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IFCJP01317 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.26.47c8184 (3975) for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:12:02 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <26.47c8184.262dd542@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:12:02 EDT Subject: re: covers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Before I had my garage, I used the DOW covers, and really liked them. One big benefit over the OSI cover is that is has grommets at the bottom of each side so you can lock the cover to the bike. I lost both my OSI covers to thieves (prob stupid ass kids with nothing better to do - a downside to urban living) but that stopped once I put a padlock through the DOWs. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 11:28:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [208.36.109.182]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IFS2P01562 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (tiamat.obscure.org [208.36.109.182]) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA08942 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:27:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:27:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: covers In-Reply-To: <26.47c8184.262dd542@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:12:02 EDT > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: re: covers > > > Before I had my garage, I used the DOW covers, and really liked them. One big > benefit over the OSI cover is that is has grommets at the bottom of each side > so you can lock the cover to the bike. I lost both my OSI covers to thieves > (prob stupid ass kids with nothing better to do - a downside to urban living) > but that stopped once I put a padlock through the DOWs. > Had an OSI, for a while. It got removed, even though I had a lock through the grommets. They just cut around them. GRRR. FWIW, I've heard recommendations of painting a big orange flourescent dot on it... or your street address or some such, so that it can be easily identified. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 11:35:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rottweiler.cwusa.com (rottweiler-dmz.cwusa.com [146.135.88.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IFZbP01738 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from us-cwi-iis-a02.cwusa.com ([146.135.85.100]) by rottweiler.cwusa.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA08476 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com BY us-cwi-iis-a02.cwusa.com ; Tue Apr 18 11:32:22 2000 -0400 Received: by us-cwi-exc-a10.cwi.cablew.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2ZHGGW14>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:35:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: covers Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:35:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have used a Dow cover for a couple of years -- I'm totally pleased with it. It has faded but does not seem to have deteriorated at all. I'd buy another one without a second thought. I shopped around a bit & got a good price and quick shipping from Competition Accessories. --JW -----Original Message----- From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 11:12 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: covers Before I had my garage, I used the DOW covers, and really liked them. One big benefit over the OSI cover is that is has grommets at the bottom of each side so you can lock the cover to the bike. I lost both my OSI covers to thieves (prob stupid ass kids with nothing better to do - a downside to urban living) but that stopped once I put a padlock through the DOWs. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 13:18:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aloe.us.pw.com (pw21.pw9.com [208.141.52.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3IHIVP03499 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id NAA20906; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:12:09 -0400 From: Received: from palm.us.pw.com(10.9.16.43) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma016742; Tue, 18 Apr 00 13:07:30 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.73]) by palm.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FT8008TR2LL4A@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 852568C5.005EB615 ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:14:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:11:30 -0400 Subject: RE: covers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852568C5.005E99EE.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Why buy a second one? My Dow had a lifetime warranty ... the second was FREE. It was kinda nice going to Coleman and walking out with something for free. Doubt that will ever happen again. :-) --chris "Whiteside, John" on 04/18/2000 11:35:07 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: RE: covers I have used a Dow cover for a couple of years -- I'm totally pleased with it. It has faded but does not seem to have deteriorated at all. I'd buy another one without a second thought. I shopped around a bit & got a good price and quick shipping from Competition Accessories. --JW -----Original Message----- From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 11:12 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: covers Before I had my garage, I used the DOW covers, and really liked them. One big benefit over the OSI cover is that is has grommets at the bottom of each side so you can lock the cover to the bike. I lost both my OSI covers to thieves (prob stupid ass kids with nothing better to do - a downside to urban living) but that stopped once I put a padlock through the DOWs. - Roach ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 13:59:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aba.com (mail.aba.com [198.242.42.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3IHxVP04176 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ABAOF40-Message_Server by aba.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:59:28 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:59:02 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: Subject: Trailers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3IHxcP04177 I'm looking to RENT a trailer that will haul two bikes to the beach for some summer fun. The vehicle used will be an Expedition. Anyone know of a company in the VA or DC area that can provide this service? I will be also looking for someone who builds or sales trailers. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 14:11:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rottweiler.cwusa.com (rottweiler-dmz.cwusa.com [146.135.88.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IIBiP04344 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from us-cwi-iis-a02.cwusa.com ([146.135.85.100]) by rottweiler.cwusa.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA09174 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com BY us-cwi-iis-a02.cwusa.com ; Tue Apr 18 14:08:08 2000 -0400 Received: by us-cwi-exc-a10.cwi.cablew.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2ZHGG5FP>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:10:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: covers Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:10:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For a second bike! Gotta work on that though. --JW -----Original Message----- From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 1:12 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: covers Why buy a second one? My Dow had a lifetime warranty ... the second was FREE. It was kinda nice going to Coleman and walking out with something for free. Doubt that will ever happen again. :-) --chris From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 14:25:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from betex01.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IIPqP04582 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.apscare.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2815DAHT>; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:18:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Trade: Kawi 454 LTD Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:18:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain For trade: 1986 Kawasaki 454 LTD 10,300 mi. Great cosmetic and mechanical condition with exception of faded pinstriping on tank. Tires almost new, recent service. I just bought this bike from my neighbor, as he's moving out of town and didn't want to bring it with him. I bought it as a commuter bike, but I'm thinking about the possibility of trading it for something a little sportier. Possibly an early model EX500, GS500e, Seca II or the like. I'm not in a position to add money to the trade, thanks to the selling of my own house and excessive taxation. I'm not really that interested in selling outright, but I might consider it if the offer was right. If anyone out there has a bike like I mentioned above and would like to trade for a fun cruiser with great passenger accommodations, please email me at cweaver@XXXXXX. Thanks, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 '86 454 LTD From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 14:32:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gothic.answerlogic.com (gothic.answerlogic.com [38.203.217.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IIWoP04739 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BABYTALK ([10.10.10.59]) by gothic.answerlogic.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id H0LFV4C6; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:34:47 -0400 Message-ID: <020401bfa964$d5c7d450$3b0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> From: "Han Park" To: References: Subject: Re: covers Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:35:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I have a dowco with silver on the bottom and black on top since september of last year. It's holding up pretty good. It's got like a lapped over flap which allows moisture out on top. During the summer when it gets hot is it better to cover the bike to avoid exposing it to direct sunlight or leave it uncovered to let it breath? I'm asking because this sunday when it got up to 80 I went out to my bike with the cover on and it was pretty hot when I removed the cover. han > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 1:12 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: covers > > > > > Why buy a second one? My Dow had a lifetime warranty ... the second was > FREE. > It was kinda nice going to Coleman and walking out with something for free. > Doubt that will ever happen again. :-) > > --chris From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 14:37:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3IIbGP04862 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts006d11.phx-az1.concentric.net [207.155.237.23] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:36:57 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: YSR racing (was other racing stuff) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:37:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bfa965$2fe1ee30$17ed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: > -----Original Message----- > From: Weaver, Chris_(MD) [mailto:CWeaver@XXXXXX] > > I think you'll find that a used YSR race bike will cost you more than $500 > though. Maybe out west where there are a lot of those bikes and a lot of > race venues, but around here you'll pay at least a grand just to get one > that will run. I looked into it fairly thoroughly last year. Ouch.. the last YSR I bought cost me a whole $200. I stripped the parts I wanted off of it (NICE pipe, put a beater on there - etc) and sold it to a neighbor for a 200% profit ($600). Hell, I felt like I was kinda ripping him off.. but he spent another $300 or so and has the thing looking cherry and rides it around off and on. Bust, as you mentioned with my location, I got to looking through Cycle Trader (online) and everything seems to be centered around CA and FL.. definatally more on the CA side. $1000 will get you a nice, stock, street legal YSR out here it seems. Hrm, maybe ordering a racebike from one of my CA sources would be cheaper - try getting intouch with the owner of http://www.angelfire.com/mb/MiniMoto/YSRmain.html - He's an aquaintence, breaks YSRs and preps them for racing or resale to the street market. I'm sure that he could help you out.. though for the best price you might have to assemble the bike yourself (he'd ship you all necessary parts). Well, best of luck to those who want to persue this avenue - it IS a lot of fun though. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 14:46:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from orion.house.gov (orion.house.gov [143.231.86.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IIkaP05050 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hrmims03.house.gov (hrmims03.house.gov [143.231.32.159]) by orion.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA12394 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hrmims03.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:46:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: a little warning Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:46:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) My TLR was stolen off the street in DC last night. It probably shouldn't have been out there but no sense talking about that now. The police said that there has been a great deal of similar thefts in the city, so all those who live out here take extra care of where and how you leave your bike. In case anybody sees it, it's a yellow Suzuki TLR with DC temp tags and aftermarket carbon fiber canisters. Seth ex-TLR From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 15:13:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IJDgP05499 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-121-93.s93.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.121.93]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12hdQP-0002Rg-00; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:12:41 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Haring, Seth" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: a little warning Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:16:26 GMT Message-ID: <38fcdea6.79197268@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3IJE3P05500 I have heard of the same bike being stolen from an apt complex, 4 days after the guy got it. weird. On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:46:23 -0400, you wrote: |> |>My TLR was stolen off the street in DC last night. It probably shouldn't |>have been out there but no sense talking about that now. The police said |>that there has been a great deal of similar thefts in the city, so all those |>who live out here take extra care of where and how you leave your bike. |> |>In case anybody sees it, it's a yellow Suzuki TLR with DC temp tags and |>aftermarket carbon fiber canisters. |> |>Seth |>ex-TLR From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 18:15:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3IMF1P08764 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id g.77.31d7d93 (9761); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:14:38 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <77.31d7d93.262e384d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:14:37 EDT Subject: Re: New job, two days off to ride. To: horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 In a message dated 4/18/2000 10:08:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: << Riding to Atlanta, I would think. Get the new company to pay you mileage right from the get-go. :) Congrats on the new job. Horkster >> Might be fun but, the new job has already bought my tickets. Oh well, maybe next time. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 20:01:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net [129.250.36.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3J01kP10422 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12hhvl-0006Lz-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:01:21 +0000 Received: from [168.143.218.38] (helo=VERIO) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12hhva-0005w1-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:01:10 +0000 From: "John C. Kozyn" To: DC Cycles Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:05:36 -0100 Subject: re: looking for a VFR 750 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Message-Id: From: FGrefe@XXXXXX > Had a friend tell me today that he's looking for a VFR750. He wants > the last of the 750s. I believe it's from 95-98 or something like > that. If you've got one for sale let me know and I'll pass it on. Fred, Two of the 94-97 (the prettier VFRs ;) were in the Post on Sunday. Coleman's in FC had two tohers two weeks ago. Shouldn't be too hard to find one, although, I might subscribe to the VFR list were I your friend. JK 95 VFR D-mode From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 20:26:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3J0QsP10744 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-32.patriot.net [209.249.180.32]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA24272; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:26:45 -0400 Message-ID: <38FCFC49.AA30F71B@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:22:33 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Beatty CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trailers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit U-Haul rents trailers. Tons of places sell trailers. M/C shops sell bike trailers. If to pricey, try a garden equipment trailer - low, flat, and rear gate is a ramp. I build trailers but you have to supply the piecey-parts, do the DMV running, and assist with the cutting & grinding. I do the sparky stuff(welding). Nickname - "Slag" :-) Bill Robert Beatty wrote: > I'm looking to RENT a trailer that will haul two bikes to the beach for some summer fun. The vehicle used will be an Expedition. > > Anyone know of a company in the VA or DC area that can provide this service? > > I will be also looking for someone who builds or sales trailers. From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 20:43:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3J0hIP11073 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.7e.3b92bbd (4534) for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:43:06 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7e.3b92bbd.262e5a30@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:39:12 EDT Subject: Fwd: a little warning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_7e.3b92bbd.262e5a30_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 --part1_7e.3b92bbd.262e5a30_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/18/00 8:29:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RMccre5861 writes: << In a message dated 4/18/00 2:48:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Seth.Haring@XXXXXX writes: << My TLR was stolen off the street in DC last night. It probably shouldn't have been out there but no sense talking about that now. The police said that there has been a great deal of similar thefts in the city, so all those who live out here take extra care of where and how you leave your bike. In case anybody sees it, it's a yellow Suzuki TLR with DC temp tags and aftermarket carbon fiber canisters. Seth ex-TLR >> Sorry to hear about your loss Seth, I nearly lost my CBR if it was not for the disc lock on the back wheel it would have been gone. I know I was Pissed off so I can Sympathise with you. In the end it cost me $200 for a new back disc and I still have a dented swingarm. RMC >> --part1_7e.3b92bbd.262e5a30_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: RMccre5861@XXXXXX From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Full-name: RMccre5861 Message-ID: <94.3365a39.262e57f8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:29:44 EDT Subject: Re: a little warning To: Seth.Haring@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 4/18/00 2:48:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Seth.Haring@XXXXXX writes: << My TLR was stolen off the street in DC last night. It probably shouldn't have been out there but no sense talking about that now. The police said that there has been a great deal of similar thefts in the city, so all those who live out here take extra care of where and how you leave your bike. In case anybody sees it, it's a yellow Suzuki TLR with DC temp tags and aftermarket carbon fiber canisters. Seth ex-TLR >> Sorry to hear about your loss Seth, I nearly lost my CBR if it was not for the disc lock on the back wheel it would have been gone. I know I was Pissed off so I can Sympathise with you. In the end it cost me $200 for a new back disc and I still have a dented swingarm. RMC --part1_7e.3b92bbd.262e5a30_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 20:47:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web304.mail.yahoo.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3J0lJP11191 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20524 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2000 00:47:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20000419004716.20523.qmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.114.214] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:47:16 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:47:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Urals at Costco To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Costco (in Newington, a mile or two from Cycle Sport Springfield) is displaying a Ural with a side car. They are selling "prenegotiated" price from Bay Cycles down in Virginia Beach. The prices are about 900-1,300 less than the "MSRP" and range from about $8,400 to $9,300 depending on the model. This Thursday (April 20th) from 1 pm to closing they will have a representative from Bay Cycles. I may stop by even though this isn't the time for me to be buying anything else. Still, a side car is tempting. :-) Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 20:51:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3J0pqP11278 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:51:45 -0400 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: Subject: RE: John Deere Sighting Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:51:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01bfa999$6f1c9da0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <200004180943.AA376505006@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal Might I ask, just what *is* a John Deere motorcycle?? From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 21:10:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3J1AqP11586 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id r.25.48e56ce (9155); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:10:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <25.48e56ce.262e6176@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:10:14 EDT Subject: Re: Urals at Costco To: nighthawk700@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Word of caution with regard to Urals. Russian products are notorious for un-availability of spare parts. Any Ural owners out there to shed some light on this issue? Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 21:18:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3J1IDP11860 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-32.patriot.net [209.249.180.32]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA29143; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:18:07 -0400 Message-ID: <38FD0854.6B439470@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:13:56 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rmeyer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: John Deere Sighting References: <000e01bfa999$6f1c9da0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You'll have to see it to believe it, trust me :-) Bill RMeyer wrote: > Might I ask, just what *is* a John Deere motorcycle?? From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 21:26:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3J1QlP11967 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-32.patriot.net [209.249.180.32]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA29881; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:26:40 -0400 Message-ID: <38FD0A55.BDFEF0D@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:22:29 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX CC: nighthawk700@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Urals at Costco References: <25.48e56ce.262e6176@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My cuz owns one. An early model without electric start. Basically, the engine is pre-war, as in the big one - WWII - BMW boxer twin. It's... er... cute, yeah, cute. Fun to goof around town with but forget cruising - top speed about 50. He hasn't needed any spare parts. Came with a spare wheel and tire mounted on the trunk lid. Bill Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > Word of caution with regard to Urals. > Russian products are notorious for un-availability of spare parts. > Any Ural owners out there to shed some light on this issue? > > Bill Gawthrop > Maryland From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 21:43:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3J1gxP12322 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 6.de.3cc52ea (4419); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:42:36 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:42:36 EDT Subject: Re: RE: John Deere Sighting To: rmeyer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 You WILL know it when you see it Bob From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 22:16:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web902.mail.yahoo.com (web902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3J2GaP12846 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1648 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2000 02:16:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20000419021605.1647.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.84.222] by web902.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:16:05 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:16:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: John Deere Sighting To: rmeyer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- RMeyer wrote: > Might I ask, just what *is* a John Deere > motorcycle?? > 1. Motorcycle? The guy that sold it to me said it was the world's fastest lawn tractor. 2. Shhh, don't publish this, I told my wife it was a lawn tractor, she won't let me have a motorcycle. 3. It used to be a lawn tractor, but then one winter I started modifying it, turned out pretty good didn't it? 4. Naw, they don't make motorcycles but they do sell paint and decals. 5. I've got pictures somewhere, I'll send one tomorrow. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 22:27:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web612.mail.yahoo.com (web612.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3J2R9P13006 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000419022701.16224.qmail@web612.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.11.148] by web612.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:27:01 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:27:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Combat Tourer Subject: IMF or boo-hoo poor :-) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thank GOD that protest is over! The HOV lanes are finally open to real biker traffic now that those tree-hugging shit-eaters have left this good christian town. Excellent news highlights though. Nothing like watching a bunch of tofu-suckers and granola-shitters get the crap beat out of them. Anyway, Smile! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 22:33:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3J2X7P13102 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chpm3-3-134.olg.com (unverified [207.226.128.134]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.5) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:16:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 02:31:05 -0400 (EDT) From: George Howell X-Sender: ghowell@XXXXXX To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX cc: nighthawk700@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Urals at Costco In-Reply-To: <25.48e56ce.262e6176@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have no experience with 'em, but a couple of guys at the sidecar safety program last year had Urals, and hadn't had any trouble getting spares. There's also the issue that much of the stuff on the Urals can be gotten from post-war BMW's, and the stuff that has been updated is largely off the shelf type parts. Still, I'd hesitate to spend nearly $10k on one of them. -- George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 22:43:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3J2hUP13291 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.7e.3b92bbd (4534) for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:43:10 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7e.3b92bbd.262e5a30@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:39:12 EDT Subject: Fwd: a little warning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_7e.3b92bbd.262e5a30_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 --part1_7e.3b92bbd.262e5a30_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/18/00 8:29:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RMccre5861 writes: << In a message dated 4/18/00 2:48:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Seth.Haring@XXXXXX writes: << My TLR was stolen off the street in DC last night. It probably shouldn't have been out there but no sense talking about that now. The police said that there has been a great deal of similar thefts in the city, so all those who live out here take extra care of where and how you leave your bike. In case anybody sees it, it's a yellow Suzuki TLR with DC temp tags and aftermarket carbon fiber canisters. Seth ex-TLR >> Sorry to hear about your loss Seth, I nearly lost my CBR if it was not for the disc lock on the back wheel it would have been gone. I know I was Pissed off so I can Sympathise with you. In the end it cost me $200 for a new back disc and I still have a dented swingarm. RMC >> --part1_7e.3b92bbd.262e5a30_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Full-name: RMccre5861 Message-ID: <94.3365a39.262e57f8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:29:44 EDT Subject: Re: a little warning To: Seth.Haring@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 4/18/00 2:48:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Seth.Haring@XXXXXX writes: << My TLR was stolen off the street in DC last night. It probably shouldn't have been out there but no sense talking about that now. The police said that there has been a great deal of similar thefts in the city, so all those who live out here take extra care of where and how you leave your bike. In case anybody sees it, it's a yellow Suzuki TLR with DC temp tags and aftermarket carbon fiber canisters. Seth ex-TLR >> Sorry to hear about your loss Seth, I nearly lost my CBR if it was not for the disc lock on the back wheel it would have been gone. I know I was Pissed off so I can Sympathise with you. In the end it cost me $200 for a new back disc and I still have a dented swingarm. RMC --part1_7e.3b92bbd.262e5a30_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 23:26:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3J3QFP14437 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-121-93.s93.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.121.93]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12hl7F-0003WI-00; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:25:25 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: a little warning Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 06:29:11 GMT Message-ID: <38fd522a.108773593@smtp.erols.com> References: <7e.3b92bbd.262e5a30@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <7e.3b92bbd.262e5a30@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3J3QUP14438 did they start your bike up or try to drag it? From dc-cycles-request Tue Apr 18 23:44:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3J3ifP14766 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id l.66.2d5840d (3959); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:42:39 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: <66.2d5840d.262e852f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:42:39 EDT Subject: Re: a little warning To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 I figured they tried to drag it as they could not see what was stopping them (night), but as it is a fairly heavy bike they wouldn't have got too far. lucky for me they just let it drop onto the grass verge , a few more feet and it would have been concrete. I came out that morning and saw it on it's side. they took off my cover cutting my tie downs in the process. Man was I mad I just wanted to crush some skulls!!!. The police came over and were very good about it and very honest about the chances of nicking them (nil). RMC From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 07:59:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3JBx1P23661 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:58:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200004190758.AA110428828@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: , Subject: RE: John Deere Sighting X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "RMeyer" >Might I ask, just what *is* a John Deere motorcycle?? See http://www.cap1000.org/1999/cap1000Photographs99.htm about two-thirds of the way down, or search for "Leon Begeman at the start on the amazing John Deere/Ninja 250" An added advantage of this paint scheme is when Leon gets a new bike he doesn't have to tell his wife, 'cause it looks the same as the old one. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 08:20:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web305.mail.yahoo.com (web305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.236]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3JCK1P24048 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25193 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2000 12:19:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000419121939.25192.qmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.99] by web305.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 05:19:39 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 05:19:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: John Deere Sighting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a picture of the bike on my web page as well. Go to http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/capitol/ and it's down near the bottom. (or you can search for "Deere") You also get a decent view of Leon's luggage system. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 08:56:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3JCuFP24534 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:55:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: nighthawk700@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Urals at Costco Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:55:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Though Russian bikes have a certain rustic charm (I rode a Minsk two stroke through Vietnam) - the are often unreliable and technologically backward. This second aspect compliments the first, as a bike that easily breaks certainly benefits from being easily repairable. Nevertheless, they are fun (and cheap) variations on the standard issue bikes of the day from Japan, Western Europe and the US. On the other hand, I have a fundamental problem with Costco selling bikes, when -- at least in their Arlington incarnation -- they do not allow motorcycles to park in their parking lot. Kind of hypocritical, no? They must be afraid that you won't be able to purchase ten gallons of ketchup if you are on two wheels, or something. Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 8:47 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Urals at Costco Costco (in Newington, a mile or two from Cycle Sport Springfield) is displaying a Ural with a side car. They are selling "prenegotiated" price from Bay Cycles down in Virginia Beach. The prices are about 900-1,300 less than the "MSRP" and range from about $8,400 to $9,300 depending on the model. This Thursday (April 20th) from 1 pm to closing they will have a representative from Bay Cycles. I may stop by even though this isn't the time for me to be buying anything else. Still, a side car is tempting. :-) Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 09:52:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3JDq7P25780 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA17622 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:50:50 -0400 (EDT) From: TZell@XXXXXX Message-Id: <200004191350.JAA17622@bacardi.torrentnet.com> Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) with SMTP; 19 Apr 2000 16:50:21 UT To: "Combat Tourer" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:IMF or boo-hoo poor :-) Message-ID: <20000419095127985-6fd32150@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LOL!!! Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: IMF or boo-hoo poor :-) Author: boy_lurker@XXXXXX (Combat Tourer) Date: 04/18/2000 10:27 PM Thank GOD that protest is over! The HOV lanes are finally open to real biker traffic now that those tree-hugging shit-eaters have left this good christian town. Excellent news highlights though. Nothing like watching a bunch of tofu-suckers and granola-shitters get the crap beat out of them. Anyway, Smile! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 09:58:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3JDwrP26124 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA18367 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA09316 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (mail.lcsa.org [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02070 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA25245 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:57:57 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Urals at Costco Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:54:40 -0400 Message-ID: <004801bfaa06$ce834ba0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal You mean you can't go to Arlington Costco? That's discrimination isn't it? As long as it's a licensed vehicle. Good thing Winchester Costco doesn't do this or I would have a REAL problem. Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com > > On the other hand, I have a fundamental problem with Costco selling bikes, > when -- at least in their Arlington incarnation -- they do not allow > motorcycles to park in their parking lot. Kind of hypocritical, > no? They > must be afraid that you won't be able to purchase ten gallons of > ketchup if > you are on two wheels, or something. > > Bests, > > Erik From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 10:23:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3JENDP27066 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA20996 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12hvL6-0003gX-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:20:25 -0700 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:21:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: IMF or boo-hoo poor :-) In-Reply-To: <20000419022701.16224.qmail@web612.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sounds like someone has got too much time on their hands. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 10:28:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3JERvP27343 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA21874 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12hvP4-0004Sg-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:24:30 -0700 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:26:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Urals at Costco In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, George Howell wrote: > > Still, I'd hesitate to spend nearly $10k on one Most models are significantly cheaper then that and come with a 3 year unlimited mileage parts and labor warranty. I wan one mmmmmmm. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 10:45:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3JEiwP27815 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA23846 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [168.191.20.227] (sdn-ar-002dcwashP187.dialsprint.net [168.191.20.227]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12641; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004191443.HAA12641@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:36:54 -0400 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 04/18/00 From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Seth.Haring@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit maybe the thief got his "new" bike stolen by another thief :D Seth - WHERE in DC was this? Where did you have the bike parked? and did you have lock(s) on it? >>>>>>>> Marcy >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them there. What you do with them is up to you. ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 04/18/00 >Date: Tue, Apr 18, 2000, 7:00 PM > > From: "Haring, Seth" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: a little warning > Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:46:23 -0400 > > > My TLR was stolen off the street in DC last night. It probably shouldn't > have been out there but no sense talking about that now. The police said > that there has been a great deal of similar thefts in the city, so all those > who live out here take extra care of where and how you leave your bike. > > In case anybody sees it, it's a yellow Suzuki TLR with DC temp tags and > aftermarket carbon fiber canisters. > > Seth > ex-TLR > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > To: "Haring, Seth" > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: a little warning > Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:16:26 GMT > X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com > id e3IJE3P05500 > > I have heard of the same bike being stolen from an apt complex, 4 days > after the guy got it. weird. > > On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:46:23 -0400, you wrote: > > |> > |>My TLR was stolen off the street in DC last night. It probably shouldn't > |>have been out there but no sense talking about that now. The police said > |>that there has been a great deal of similar thefts in the city, so all those > |>who live out here take extra care of where and how you leave your bike. > |> > |>In case anybody sees it, it's a yellow Suzuki TLR with DC temp tags and > |>aftermarket carbon fiber canisters. From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 11:48:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3JFmHP29043 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id LAA09872 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000419115202.007a7560@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:52:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: bike parking Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've got a class at Ballston next month. Where is there good all-day bike parking? '95 VFR Lisa From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 12:10:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3JG8jP29521 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 19 Apr 2000 19:08:16 UT Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:04 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Lisa Goddard" , "Dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:bike parking Message-ID: <20000419120928312-70517a56@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii At Ballston itself or at Marymount? Ballston commons has all day parking... not sure of the price. There is also underground parking near the Marymount campus... in with the office buildings behind the campus. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: bike parking Author: lisa@XXXXXX (Lisa Goddard) Date: 04/19/2000 11:52 AM I've got a class at Ballston next month. Where is there good all-day bike parking? '95 VFR Lisa From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 12:12:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3JGCtP29638 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:10:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Something I learned yesterday Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:10:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" No matter how cold and wet you are, a good solid dose of anger and adrenaline will warm your fingers and toes for a good twenty minutes. (last night in the rain on the way home, a big ol' pick um up decided that it wanted to cohabitate...) -Mark (picked up the cage last night, then the raining stopped. Hmmmmm.) From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 12:22:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3JGMRP29841 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29433 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:22:18 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000419122130.00a23100@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:22:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Something I learned yesterday In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:10 PM 4/19/00 , Mark Petty wrote: >(picked up the cage last night, then the raining stopped. Hmmmmm.) Mark - please stop having work done on your cage. We may be forced to restrain you as a group. TIA MT ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 12:22:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3JGMXP29844 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11537 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA14784 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16769 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2000 16:22:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000419162214.16768.qmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.99] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:22:14 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:22:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Urals at Costco To: DC-Cycles Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > You mean you can't go to Arlington Costco? That's discrimination isn't it? > As long as it's a licensed vehicle. Good thing Winchester Costco doesn't do > this or I would have a REAL problem. When I asked him about it in another e-mail message, he said he was refering to those graphics on the parking gates that show "No Motorcycles" (motorcycle with a line through it). Almost all parking gates (the ones where the arms lift up after you pay) show that, it's a liability thing. They think that the motorcyclists will be dumb and ride off too soon, and wack their heads off as they barge through the gates. I never had anyone say anything when I used them (with one exception), they were happy to take my money and let me on my way. The only one who said something was a woman at Ballston Commons. I said "Well, where am I supposed to park then?" She just gave me a bad look. :-p I think AMA talked about this in one of the recent American Motorcyclists, maybe a month or two ago? Seems they are trying to find solutions, one of which is cutting the gate a little shorter and letting the motorcycles go around the gate rather than under it. (Some places were even letting them go for free!) Louis --- Gary Foreman wrote: > You mean you can't go to Arlington Costco? That's discrimination isn't it? > As long as it's a licensed vehicle. Good thing Winchester Costco doesn't do > this or I would have a REAL problem. > > > > > Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club > gary@XXXXXX > http://www.tl1000.com > > > > > On the other hand, I have a fundamental problem with Costco selling bikes, > > when -- at least in their Arlington incarnation -- they do not allow > > motorcycles to park in their parking lot. Kind of hypocritical, > > no? They > > must be afraid that you won't be able to purchase ten gallons of > > ketchup if > > you are on two wheels, or something. > > > > Bests, > > > > Erik > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 12:32:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aw161.netaddress.usa.net (aw161.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3JGW7P00209 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27527 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2000 16:32:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000419163202.27524.qmail@aw161.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.61 by aw161 for [162.70.131.75] via web-mailer(M3.4.4.4) on Wed Apr 19 16:32:01 GMT 2000 Date: 19 Apr 00 12:32:01 EDT From: Linda Tanner To: Subject: RE: Urals at Costco X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.4.4.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3JGWAP00210 I've been whacked on the head by one of those gates and it was a close thing. They don't sense motos correctly and can close unexpectedly. My previous employers reaction to my report of getting hit by the gate was to ban motos from the garage. They thought better of that solution pretty quickly. At my current job, I suggested they shorten the gates (which they declined). So far, I've only had one incident with the gate closing too soon, and I was still far enough away to stop. Then it went back up. The RT is so big, it thinks I'm a car ;-) LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 14:31:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3JIVUP02234 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA12704 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:31:05 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28149 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-121-93.s93.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.121.93]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12hzEm-00031c-00; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:30:08 -0400 To: "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Urals at Costco Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:33:49 GMT Message-ID: <38fe25dd.162976197@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000419162214.16768.qmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000419162214.16768.qmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3JIW7P02235 it's more likely to happen when several bikes go through. I've almost got caught and saw it almost hit someone. atleast at pentagon city. also one lady there wouldn't let one of our bikes out, since he waited for the gate. how ridiculous. then the other attendant told him to come around to the other gate right next to her. so that lady had her gate holding up traffic. it was really stupid. Daniel On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:22:14 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |> |>> You mean you can't go to Arlington Costco? That's discrimination isn't it? |>> As long as it's a licensed vehicle. Good thing Winchester Costco doesn't do |>> this or I would have a REAL problem. |> |>When I asked him about it in another e-mail message, he said he was refering to |>those graphics on the parking gates that show "No Motorcycles" (motorcycle with |>a line through it). Almost all parking gates (the ones where the arms lift up |>after you pay) show that, it's a liability thing. They think that the |>motorcyclists will be dumb and ride off too soon, and wack their heads off as |>they barge through the gates. |> |>I never had anyone say anything when I used them (with one exception), they |>were happy to take my money and let me on my way. The only one who said |>something was a woman at Ballston Commons. I said "Well, where am I supposed |>to park then?" She just gave me a bad look. :-p |> |>I think AMA talked about this in one of the recent American Motorcyclists, |>maybe a month or two ago? Seems they are trying to find solutions, one of |>which is cutting the gate a little shorter and letting the motorcycles go |>around the gate rather than under it. (Some places were even letting them go |>for free!) |> |>Louis |> |>--- Gary Foreman wrote: |>> You mean you can't go to Arlington Costco? That's discrimination isn't it? |>> As long as it's a licensed vehicle. Good thing Winchester Costco doesn't do |>> this or I would have a REAL problem. |>> |>> |>> |>> |>> Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club |>> gary@XXXXXX |>> http://www.tl1000.com |>> |>> > |>> > On the other hand, I have a fundamental problem with Costco selling bikes, |>> > when -- at least in their Arlington incarnation -- they do not allow |>> > motorcycles to park in their parking lot. Kind of hypocritical, |>> > no? They |>> > must be afraid that you won't be able to purchase ten gallons of |>> > ketchup if |>> > you are on two wheels, or something. |>> > |>> > Bests, |>> > |>> > Erik |>> |>> |> |>__________________________________________________ |>Do You Yahoo!? |>Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. |>http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 22:01:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3K215P09754 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-198-232.s232.tnt11.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.198.232] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12i6Gy-0004V5-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:00:53 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: TLR in Reston Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:55:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfaa6b$81be05c0$e8c63ad0@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Brand new Yellow and parked at or near Plaza America (that's all I'll say, in case some n'er do well is listening). Anybody here own that one? Also, looking for quickest route into N. Reston from W. Springfield. My best time so far is 35 minutes (very light traffic, at or close to speed limit, in a...aack, ptooy...cage). What I'm looking for are short-cuts on a bike. I now take the Jack Herrity(sp) to Sunrise Valley to Reston, to Sunset Hills. Thought I'd ask is all. Lessee, I know of two listers that work in Reston. Glenn Dysart, and Hugh Caldwell (Herndon is close enough). Any others? Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 148,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 22:13:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3K2DCP09939 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.133.15.233] (sdn-ar-004dcwashP327.dialsprint.net [206.133.15.233]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00963 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004200212.TAA00963@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:06:32 -0400 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 04/19/00 From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ahhhh thank you for raising the quality of my life with your lucid and extremely relevant comments. But how is it, my good anonymous lurker, if someone eats shit, that they shit granola? ;D >>>>>>>> Marcy >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them there. What you do with them is up to you. ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 04/19/00 >Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000, 7:00 PM > > Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:27:01 -0700 (PDT) > From: Combat Tourer > Subject: IMF or boo-hoo poor :-) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Thank GOD that protest is over! The HOV lanes are > finally open to real biker traffic now that those > tree-hugging shit-eaters have left this good christian > town. > > Excellent news highlights though. Nothing like > watching a bunch of tofu-suckers and granola-shitters > get the crap beat out of them. > > Anyway, Smile! From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 22:14:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pimout7-int.prodigy.net (pimout7-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.106]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3K2E1P09949 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dawnjon (LAURA020-0103.splitrock.net [209.252.154.103]) by pimout7-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA68090 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:13:43 -0400 Message-ID: <022001bfaa6e$5a195f80$679afcd1@dawnjon> From: "Jon Schumer" To: References: <3e.28c3cf1.262bd9f9@aol.com> Subject: Re: racing skills question ..... was Re: race bikes Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:15:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 BTW, anyone out there gonna be taking the MARRC racing school Saturday? Any room around the DC-Cycles Racing pit? I'll have a friend with a big ole' 5th wheel trailer with me. We'll be there late afternoon on Friday with the old, trusty Hawk. Just hope the weather will be much better than the WERA weekend. Cornerworking was brutal..... Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 22:34:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3K2XxP10328 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:33:36 -0400 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: Subject: RE: John Deere Sighting Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:33:39 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01bfaa70$d62262a0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <20000419021605.1647.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal > 4. Naw, they don't make motorcycles but they do sell > paint and decals. I suspected that might be the answer . Bob From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 22:35:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3K2ZiP10423 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:35:41 -0400 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: Subject: RE: John Deere Sighting Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:35:44 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01bfaa71$20f02a60$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <20000419121939.25192.qmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal > > I have a picture of the bike on my web page as well. Go to > http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/capitol/ and it's down near > the bottom. > (or you can search for "Deere") You also get a decent view of > Leon's luggage > system. > That is, indeed, the largest trunk I think I've ever seen on a motorcycle! Bob From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 22:38:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3K2cIP10465 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA18128 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chpm3-4-169.olg.com (unverified [207.226.128.169]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.5) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:31:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:46:28 -0400 (EDT) From: George Howell X-Sender: ghowell@XXXXXX To: Hugh Caldwell cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Urals at Costco In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Hugh Caldwell wrote: > Most models are significantly cheaper then > that and come with a 3 year unlimited mileage parts > and labor warranty. I wan one mmmmmmm. Hyundai's come with a 10/100,000 mile warranty. I'll keep my Mercury. But, I'll grant you that $10 is for a fully loaded Deco or Tourist (or whatever those models are called today) -- George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 22:54:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3K2sXP10778 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-224-57.s57.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.224.57] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12i76r-0005fi-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:54:30 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01bfaa73$19b33880$39e0a4d8@oemcomputer> From: "Simon Cook" To: Subject: thieving b'tards Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:49:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I'm sorry to hear about the loss of a listers bike,it seems that its just a thing everyone has to deal with,no chance of an arrest either.My buds bike was stolen earlier this year,another bud got his house broken into,I lost my carpentry tools in Feb,my bud lost his on Sunday WHILE AT CHURCH,and at lunch today a workmate found DC's finest scum trying car door handles!Luckily the shithouse in question had a bicycle so he was able to get away,with the run of bad luck myself and my buds have had there may have been some pay back involved.I once heard a phrase"weary yourself on them" and I thought of that but then again being from northern England the usual 'knock the f.......s lights out"works just aswell.I hope there are some revenge/payback stories out there,cant just let the bastards win everytime.On a security note(dont tell the county)I have managed to concrete in the ground a small metal hoop so I can attach the bike with a chain.I just dug away a bit of the grass area by the sidewalk and hid the hoop low enough to avoid the lawn mowers. Regards Simon 96 Trident From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 23:17:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.foundrynet.com (mailhost.foundrynet.com [63.251.244.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3K3HiP11220 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj861289a (cj861289-a.reston1.va.home.com [24.18.167.192]) by mailhost.foundrynet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA09373; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:14:36 -0700 Message-ID: <00e601bfaa76$f8313320$c0a71218@reston1.va.home.com> From: "Dennis Woods" To: "Todd Peer" , "DC-Cycles" References: <000001bfaa6b$81be05c0$e8c63ad0@todd> Subject: Re: TLR in Reston Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:17:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Todd, The TLR is owned by a Cable and Wireless employee although I haven't found out who yet. I sell gear to them and spend lots of time in that building. I park there sometimes on my 50cc Aprilia scooter and other times on the 929. Sort of a James Herriot "All Creatures Great and Small" motif in my garage. The TLR is really sweet looking. The only shortcut I can think of coming up FFX parkway is to head right on West Ox and catch Reston parkway at the weird 3 way intersection where West Ox goes to the right and Reston Pkway goes left. It might save you some time as the light at Sunrise Valley can back up the PKY a bit. You could also go left at Franklin Farms and then right on Centreville Rd. That takes you down into Herndon by Worldgate where you can pick up Herndon Pky. and then Spring St. which becomes Sunset Hills. Not a lot going North<-->South through the county though. Dennis 88 Hawk GT 98 VTR1000 99 Aprilia Scarabeo 00 CBR 929 From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 23:27:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3K3R5P11422 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (216-164-132-98.s352.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.132.98]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30615; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:26:54 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000419232245.01f40590@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:26:51 -0400 To: "Todd Peer" From: Mike T Subject: Re: TLR in Reston Cc: "DC-Cycles" In-Reply-To: <000001bfaa6b$81be05c0$e8c63ad0@todd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:55 PM 4/19/2000 , Todd Peer wrote: >Also, looking for quickest route into N. Reston from W. Springfield. My >best time so far is 35 minutes (very light traffic, at or close to speed >limit, in a...aack, ptooy...cage). What I'm looking for are short-cuts on a >bike. I now take the Jack Herrity(sp) to Sunrise Valley to Reston, to >Sunset Hills. Thought I'd ask is all. I am another Reston lister. Tough route from Springfield over via the Parkway, but that is your fastest route. I live in Centreville, and manage back roads (Stone becomes Centreville, across to West Ox to Reston Pkwy to Lawyers). Best route for speed and for bike interest. For those of you that know the roads in the area - have to love the first turn on Lawyers where it meets Reston Parkway (except the proximity to two intersections) it has a heavily banked S curve leading to a straight that is a blast. My lunchtime rides include Hunter Mill, Birdfoot (off Lawyers) and the lovely Blacks Mill which crosses the Toll Road and meets Buela (sp) near Wolf Trap. That path takes me across to the heart of Tysons in under 20 minutes. No love on the Parkway though. Flat, straight and lots of cages. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 20k miles + From dc-cycles-request Wed Apr 19 23:46:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3K3k5P11768 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06270; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:40:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: Todd Peer cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: TLR in Reston In-Reply-To: <000001bfaa6b$81be05c0$e8c63ad0@todd> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Todd Peer wrote: > Brand new Yellow and parked at or near Plaza America (that's all I'll say, > in case some n'er do well is listening). Anybody here own that one? Not me, unfortunately, but likely a coworker in my building. My cruiser is still in storage. :( > Also, looking for quickest route into N. Reston from W. Springfield. My > best time so far is 35 minutes (very light traffic, at or close to speed > limit, in a...aack, ptooy...cage). What I'm looking for are short-cuts on a > bike. I now take the Jack Herrity(sp) to Sunrise Valley to Reston, to > Sunset Hills. Thought I'd ask is all. My folks are in S'field, and I'm in Herndon (though formerly of Reston). Best route I ever had was Parkway to Sunrise Valley, up to Reston Parkway to Sunset Hills to Plaza America. Though, I lived on Southgate at the time, off Sunrise Valley. During traffic, I'm not 100% since I generally travel off-peak hours. You can also do West Ox to Reston Pkwy. I assume you want to avoid the beltway. I tend to find that the fastest, but... in the car I'm a sucker for "easy" vs. fast. You can also do parkway directly to Sunset Hills. It gets you past the idiots merging off the Toll Road who seem to need to be in the far left lane, while I'm trying to go across to the far right. > Lessee, I know of two listers that work in Reston. Glenn Dysart, and Hugh > Caldwell (Herndon is close enough). Any others? I'm at Plaza America, proper. Tons of cycles in the garage on a regular basis, it seems. Too bad my CTO rides a Harley. Poor man. Shannon "Human beings can take a lot of pain." -Billy Bob Thorton, _Pushing Tin_ From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 09:17:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3KDHLP22900 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id JAA17690 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000420092117.007ac580@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:21:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've been whacked on the head by one of those gates and it was a close thing. They don't sense motos correctly and can close unexpectedly. My previous employers reaction to my report of getting hit by the gate was to ban motos from the garage. They thought better of that solution pretty quickly. I had a similar situation with the Mont. Cty parking garage next to my office. The gates said Automobile traffic only and had the little picture of a bike with a line drawn through it. I wrote three members of Mo. Co. council and fumed that they spent 26.5 Million of our tax money and built a garage that can't accomodate bikes while they have handicap spaces, day-care drop off, three hour, nine hour spaces.... County council wrote back and told me to ignore the signs and go for ahead and use the garage. I wrote back and said that since motorcycles are often viewed as lawless idiots that ignoring the gates would not help our image. Besides, we save fuel. They gave bikes free parking at the top of the garage, outside of the gates! '95 VFR Lisa From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 09:30:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web307.mail.yahoo.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3KDUBP23167 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23283 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2000 13:30:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000420133002.23282.qmail@web307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.99] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:30:02 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:30:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Parking gates To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I wrote back and said that since motorcycles are often viewed as lawless > idiots that ignoring the gates would not help our image. Besides, we save > fuel. They gave bikes free parking at the top of the garage, outside of the > gates! > > Lisa Great job Lisa! Yesterday I stated that I thought AMA had an article about parking gates... I found it, and you can see it on line at: http://www.amadirectlink.com/magazine/2000/story2ma.html Basically they suggest exactly what Lisa did... find out who is in charge, write to them, and try to get the matter resolved. Heck, we could get free parking out of it for our troubles, as Lisa found out. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 09:49:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3KDmdP23436 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA21078 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6346 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2000 13:46:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20000420134632.6345.qmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.99] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:46:32 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:46:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Interesting T-Shirt To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii While looking around the AMA site for the info on parking gates, I came across their new on-line store. They have a new T-Shirt offered: "Does this bike make my butt look fast?" They offer it in two T-shirt designs, "Woman's" and "Standard." I don't work for AMA or make any commission, but thought the shirt might interest some people. http://www.amadirectlink.com/giftshop/gsmain.html Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 10:06:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3KE6GP24163 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:05:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200004201005.AA77333140@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: RE: John Deere Sighting X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "RMeyer" >That is, indeed, the largest trunk I think I've ever seen on a >motorcycle! Nah, it's just the smallest motorcycle Leon has attached to THAT trunk. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer II 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 10:11:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3KEBgP24200 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f31.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA23917 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 35470 invoked by uid 0); 20 Apr 2000 14:11:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20000420141100.35469.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.217.89.183 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:11:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.217.89.183] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TLR in Reston Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:11:00 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'm work on Sunrise Valley Dr. NT Sys Amdin for an ISP. Commute from Lake Ridge. I'd like some shortcuts as well. Razz 99 ZX9R 83 LTD440 >Brand new Yellow and parked at or near Plaza America (that's all I'll say, >in case some n'er do well is listening). Anybody here own that one? > >Also, looking for quickest route into N. Reston from W. Springfield. My >best time so far is 35 minutes (very light traffic, at or close to speed >limit, in a...aack, ptooy...cage). What I'm looking for are short-cuts on >a >bike. I now take the Jack Herrity(sp) to Sunrise Valley to Reston, to >Sunset Hills. Thought I'd ask is all. > >Lessee, I know of two listers that work in Reston. Glenn Dysart, and Hugh >Caldwell (Herndon is close enough). Any others? > >Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) ><----------------------------------------> > * '91 ST1100, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 > * SS1k, FiTe V > * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) > * 148,000 miles and counting ><----------------------------------------> > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 10:26:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3KEQ7P24492 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA25551 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA12502 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000420102552.009f9de0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:26:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Fwd: Re: Interesting T-Shirt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Thanks for that info, Louis. I didn't like that shirt, but I liked some of >the others they had on the Mota site. Women bikers check out the t-shirts! >: ) > >http://www.motagear.com/ > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > >At 06:46 AM 4/20/00 -0700, you wrote: >>While looking around the AMA site for the info on parking gates, I came across >>their new on-line store. They have a new T-Shirt offered: >> >>"Does this bike make my butt look fast?" >> >>They offer it in two T-shirt designs, "Woman's" and "Standard." >> >>I don't work for AMA or make any commission, but thought the shirt might >>interest some people. >> >>Louis >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. >>http://invites.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 12:18:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3KGILP26431 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boo.net ([137.187.49.200]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA1394757 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38FF2DC1.86F28E5@boo.net> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:18:09 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Cap 1000? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anybody know what is going on with the Cap 1000? The page has not been updated and the people in the chat area have no clue what is going on. I am thinking about doing it but I don't want to get all excited for nothing. Jay ZX-11 commuting and triple digit touring naked T-595 track bike From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 12:38:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3KGcbP26821 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:38:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200004201238.AA265028002@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "Lisa Goddard" , "Dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:bike parking X-Mailer: >Author: lisa@XXXXXX (Lisa Goddard) >I've got a class at Ballston next month. Where is there good all-day bike >parking? The cheapest I've found is the early bird discount (before 9am) at the SATO building's garage (corner of Glebe & Fairfax, enter garage from 11th St. off Fairfax). $3.50 for all day (but you can't go out and come in again without paying again). If your class is at Marymount, they have a parking lot behind their building. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 13:12:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3KHCKP27430 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-121-93.s93.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.121.93]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12iKUB-0004Jb-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:11:28 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: buying leathers group discount Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:15:05 GMT Message-ID: <38ff62d3.244130592@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3KHCRP27433 Collin has put word word into with one of his favorite places and has set up preliminary arrangements for me to setup a group buy, so we can buy leathers at discount prices. The guy has already made a couple listers good deals on gear, so i'm hoping to get in on a good deal too. Supposedly this guy will sell us, or has been known to, sell gear below dealer cost. I already have friends tell me waht they'd be interested in getting. so far we have 8 jackets, 5 (matching) pants, and a set of boots. I'm hoping to make the deal go something like this: 4+ leather suits - perforated, liner, armor, full waist zipper 2 peice suits, brand unimportant but cheaper (than vanson) but name brand + a jacket 1+ vanison suit, & a jacket the guy specialises in vanison i believe, but i'm hoping he can give me a deal on some summer leathers that have full protection adn won't break my wallet I figure the more peices we order the bettter, so i'm posting here. you get something cheaper, we get more quanity to make the deal more appealing. So let me know if you're interested, and what you have in mind. I will be calling the guy this evening, hopefully he's back in town or i will talk to his right hand man. tonight i hope to just get an idea of what they have and what prices, as well as let him know what we generally plan to order. So if you want join in, just let me know. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 13:21:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3KHLZP27633 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-121-93.s93.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.121.93]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12iKd8-0006DE-00; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:20:42 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Simon Cook" Cc: Subject: Re: thieving b'tards Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:24:20 GMT Message-ID: <390065d0.244896487@smtp.erols.com> References: <001f01bfaa73$19b33880$39e0a4d8@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <001f01bfaa73$19b33880$39e0a4d8@oemcomputer> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3KHLqP27634 i've had tools stolen... and a radio stolen.. back seat was vandalized to get into the trunk. I think it was the work of crack addicts. The radio sucked, i'd rather have the tape inside than the radio. those were my departed grandfathers tools though. : | luckily i still have more. that was last year though. after all the bike theft talk, i started putting the disc lock on my bike even though it was in my locked gate back yard and i have a dog who goes out back. I'll be glad when it summer and the dog prefers to stay out back all night because it's cooler outside. Daniel On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:49:03 -0400, you wrote: |>I'm sorry to hear about the loss of a listers bike,it seems that its just a |>thing everyone has to deal with,no chance of an arrest either.My buds bike |>was stolen earlier this year,another bud got his house broken into,I lost my |>carpentry tools in Feb,my bud lost his on Sunday WHILE AT CHURCH,and at |>lunch today a workmate found DC's finest scum trying car door |>handles!Luckily the shithouse in question had a bicycle so he was able to |>get away,with the run of bad luck myself and my buds have had there may have |>been some pay back involved.I once heard a phrase"weary yourself on them" |>and I thought of that but then again being from northern England the usual |>'knock the f.......s lights out"works just aswell.I hope there are some |>revenge/payback stories out there,cant just let the bastards win |>everytime.On a security note(dont tell the county)I have managed to concrete |>in the ground a small metal hoop so I can attach the bike with a chain.I |>just dug away a bit of the grass area by the sidewalk and hid the hoop low |>enough to avoid the lawn mowers. |>Regards |>Simon 96 Trident From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 14:56:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3KIujP29166 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HiCapMag@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.64.1f2e59f (4333) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:56:30 -0400 (EDT) From: HiCapMag@XXXXXX Message-ID: <64.1f2e59f.2630acdd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:56:29 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 04/19/00 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 100 In a message dated 4/19/00 6:03:36 PM EST, dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX writes: > When I asked him about it in another e-mail message, he said he was refering to those graphics on the parking gates that show "No Motorcycles" (motorcycle with a line through it). Almost all parking gates (the ones where the arms lift up after you pay) show that, it's a liability thing. I, for one, have always interpreted this to mean that motorcyclists don't have to pay, and have been able to skitter past the end of every one I've encountered, both coming and going. Attendants have never given me grief over doing so but frankly I've been hoping to get pulled over in order to air this thing among my many acquaintances in either Alexandria or Arlington traffic court. The same desire applies to stoplights that don't sense the bike and refuse to cycle green, leaving the biker no choice but to blow the light, but try as I might, there's never a cop around when you want one. HCM From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 17:48:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3KLmeP01985 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-50-109.s363.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.50.109] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12iOoE-0000R5-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:48:26 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: PRM Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:43:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfab11$67e33340$6d32accf@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Coleman Powersports has changed its name. It's now PowerRide Motorsports. Can this mean an improvement in: - Service - Prices - Attitude Let's hope so. I think I'll drop by to check out the auction on the 29th. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 148,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 17:53:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3KLreP02118 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA18191 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:14:27 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 207-172-121-93.s93.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.121.93]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12iODH-00005k-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:10:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bait vehicles Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:13:52 GMT Message-ID: <38ff9bf7.258761057@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3KLrgP02119 a friend of mine got bumped by a police car yesterday. My friend went to pull over on the inside lane when the cop went to pull him over and the cop bumped him and had him pull over on the outside lane of the beltway. An online discussion came up, and they talked about police using "bait vehicles" as in, have a car come tailgate you, so that you speed up, then around the corner a cop pulls you over for speeding. here is a msg regarding that: "it's good you are alright. I don't know you, I've just been lurking in the shadows overseeing the "organized" chaos so early in the riding season and it's cool to hear that you didn't become a victim of police car brutality. For you and everyone else, if you are in Va on the Beltway they have a Black 98-99 Corvette they use as a bait car(victim). Also if your going 95S, look out in Woodbridge for unmarked Jeep Cherokees and a blue or purple camaro. " Thought I would pass that on. I told my friend to file a complaint about that cop. It just may save someone's life. My friend DEFINITELY wasn't trying to run, and never has tried. He was speeding, that's it. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 17:53:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3KLrgP02121 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA13665 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:40:25 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 207-172-121-93.s93.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.121.93]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12iNgL-0006XE-00; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:36:13 -0400 To: HiCapMag@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 04/19/00 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:39:50 GMT Message-ID: <38ff94a6.256887402@smtp.erols.com> References: <64.1f2e59f.2630acdd@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <64.1f2e59f.2630acdd@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3KLrjP02128 |>Attendants have never given me grief over doing so but frankly I've been |>hoping to get pulled over in order to air this thing among my many |>acquaintances in either Alexandria or Arlington traffic court. I don't think that would be traffic court? is that a ticketable offense? or are you doing something related to tresspassing and private property? hell I don't know. I don't think the cops would even come for that call. ? daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 19:35:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3KNZFP04097 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA02556 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-117.patriot.net [209.249.180.117]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA24122; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:33:10 -0400 Message-ID: <38FF92B5.6161B33@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:28:53 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bait vehicles References: <38ff9bf7.258761057@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit such utter bulls--t. *bait* vehicles, yeah surrree. And *bumping*? Oh yeah every cop does that `cause they just lurve spending hours filling out damage reports of thier assigned vehicle. I-95 south. Travel that route frequently - technically speeding since it's 55 until about Lake Ridge and traffic is usually going way faster. Cops won't even blink unless you're doing Warp III and weaving lanes like a total A-hole. But yeah, yeah, I know - *they* are out to *get you*. Try Prozac Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > a friend of mine got bumped by a police car yesterday. My friend went > to pull over on the inside lane when the cop went to pull him over and > the cop bumped him and had him pull over on the outside lane of the > beltway. An online discussion came up, and they talked about police > using "bait vehicles" as in, have a car come tailgate you, so that you > speed up, then around the corner a cop pulls you over for speeding. > here is a msg regarding that: > > "it's good you are alright. I don't know you, I've just been lurking > in the shadows overseeing the "organized" chaos so early in the riding > season and it's cool to hear that you didn't become a victim of police > car brutality. For you and everyone else, if you are in Va on the > Beltway they have a Black 98-99 Corvette they use as a bait > car(victim). Also if your going 95S, look out in Woodbridge for > unmarked Jeep Cherokees and a blue or purple camaro. " > > Thought I would pass that on. I told my friend to file a complaint > about that cop. It just may save someone's life. My friend DEFINITELY > wasn't trying to run, and never has tried. He was speeding, that's > it. > > Daniel > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 19:39:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3KNdSP04149 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA02729 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:39:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id l.2f.42c9c91 (3960); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2f.42c9c91.2630ee96@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:36:54 EDT Subject: Bait vehicles? Maybe, maybe not. To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 4/20/00 6:17:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: << a friend of mine got bumped by a police car yesterday. My friend went to pull over on the inside lane when the cop went to pull him over and the cop bumped him and had him pull over on the outside lane of the beltway. >> Dan, Bill Gawthrop here. I am a member of the National Motorists Association. What you are suggesting is, simply stated, a serious allegation. If true, it needs to be substantiated so that an organization bigger than just a few individuals can take action. So, to you, and anyone else who has encountered such a thing as you describe here, I ask that you contact your sources and have them contact me. We will take the necessary action to put a stop to this. Names, times, dates and locations. This information separates urban myth from verifiable incident. (Something we should always include when reporting stuff like this.) If your sources are not blowing smoke up your skirt, and they're really unhappy about it, this is where they can stand up....or sit down. Have them contact me or go to http:/ /www.motorists.org/ Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 20:18:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (253-64-173-216.user.darwin.net [216.173.64.253]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3L0IPP04793 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2G0UP [216.173.114.140] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-5.00) id AE46B101EA; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:18:14 PDT Received: by 2G0UP with Microsoft Mail id <01BFAB05.7CA5F3A0@2G0UP>; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:17:44 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFAB05.7CA5F3A0@2G0UP> From: Ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Niv - New email address Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:17:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello there my friends and fellow riders - Just to update those whom keep tabs - I have a new email address: rdrdr@XXXXXX. Niv BMW F650ST Suz DR650 From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 20:37:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3L0bjP05130 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-45.s45.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.45] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12iRRF-0004Sy-00; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:36:53 -0400 Message-ID: <043101bfab29$f6979000$2d6daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , Subject: Hawk GT front end Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:38:49 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I have a friend that is in need of a Hawk GT front end. Can anyone help me? How much should one cost? Thanks, Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 22:26:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3L2Q8P06831 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA15495 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:26:04 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 207-172-121-93.s93.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.121.93]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12iT85-0005eg-00; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:25:13 -0400 To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bait vehicles? Maybe, maybe not. Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 05:28:48 GMT Message-ID: <38ffe59b.277615857@smtp.erols.com> References: <2f.42c9c91.2630ee96@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2f.42c9c91.2630ee96@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3L2QaP06832 I believe it's true. He always pulls over, he's not a trash talker or crazy rider. He's a pretty decent guy. Here is the persons story: Ok, this is what happened. I was with Danny, Lil Tony and about 6 other bikes and we had just went to some club off of Branch Ave. We leave the club and when we did, we got seperated. The first group got on 495 and the group I was with kept going straight. After I realized that I needed to get on 495 (I didn't know the area very well) I busted a u-turn and got on 495. I was doing about 100 in the left lane and was about to switch to the right lane when the white unmarked police car comes zooming up behind me on the left (didn't see him coming, hence the name out in left field) so there he is lights flashing and everything so I immediately start to slow down. He is in the far left lane and I'm one over to the right. Since we are on the left side of the highway, I figure he wants me to pull over on the inside shoulder, but he starts to swerve closer to me as if to try and make me get over, I motion that I am tryin to stop in the inside shoulder, he swerves again and as soon as I grab my handle bar, he bumps me. At this point I'm like WHOA, this cop aint playing, so I start to get over on the right side shoulder. When we stop, the reason he said he did that was because they had a problem with bikes running from cops, so thats why he was so agressive. But I never gave him the indication that I was going to run, I tried to pull over as soon as I saw him. Anyway I got busted doing 106 but he marked the ticket as me doing 80+ (geuss he felt guilty bumping me, I don't know) I'm wasn't really sweating it till my boy told me that I should file a complaint. But who do I file it with? County, or state cops?? I could use some help with this. I want to thank Danny for tryin to hook a brother up last night, (you know what I'm talkin about, Danny ;-) Oh yeah, Danny if you got in touch with Tony, give me a holla and give me a status if you could. Outinleftfield I felt like that dude on that Nike watch commercial fighting that big ass truck on his little ten speed bike, getting bumped by a cager. The cop mad and was just playin hatin on my bike!!!!! end of his msg --------------------------------------------- btw I know of another incident where this happened, and the police bumped the guys rear tire on suitland parkway. and the guy went down doing about 30 mph. So there is paperwork on it. I will have the guy contact you Bill. Thanks. this whole mess scares me and makes me a little nervous to get pulled over. Daniel On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:36:54 EDT, you wrote: |>In a message dated 4/20/00 6:17:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, |>daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: |> |><< a friend of mine got bumped by a police car yesterday. My friend went |> to pull over on the inside lane when the cop went to pull him over and |> the cop bumped him and had him pull over on the outside lane of the |> beltway. >> |>Dan, |> Bill Gawthrop here. |> I am a member of the National Motorists Association. |> What you are suggesting is, simply stated, a serious allegation. If true, |>it needs to be substantiated so that an organization bigger than just a few |>individuals can take action. |> So, to you, and anyone else who has encountered such a thing as you |>describe here, I ask that you contact your sources and have them contact me. |>We will take the necessary action to put a stop to this. Names, times, dates |>and locations. This information separates urban myth from verifiable |>incident. (Something we should always include when reporting stuff like this.) |> If your sources are not blowing smoke up your skirt, and they're really |>unhappy about it, this is where they can stand up....or sit down. |> Have them contact me or go to http:/ |>/www.motorists.org/ |> |>Bill Gawthrop |>Maryland From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 22:41:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3L2exP07123 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA16722 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:40:56 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 207-172-121-93.s93.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.121.93]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12iTMT-0001zU-00; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:40:05 -0400 To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bait vehicles Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 05:43:40 GMT Message-ID: <3900e76b.278080232@smtp.erols.com> References: <38ff9bf7.258761057@smtp.erols.com> <38FF92B5.6161B33@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <38FF92B5.6161B33@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3L2f1P07124 I dont' know if bait vehicles exist, but I kind of doubt that guy made up those vehicles out of thin air. As far as bumping goes.. I have a friend who has documentation that he "convieniently crashed in front of a police car doing 30 mph". He said he was speeding away from an attempted bike jacking last summer (there were 3 in the previous few weeks) on the same type of bike he had, an R1. a blue truck would pull up and jack the bike. The bike jackings happened in the same area, near branch avenue and suitland parkway. anyway he was speeding on suitland parkway. Regardless of why. The cops pulled him over. He obviously pulled over, and at 30 mph they bumped him. whether he was speeding or driving like a bat out of hell for good reason or no reason, the fact remains, he got bumped at 30 mph and he was obviously not running at that point. That is what is important, and I think it's a serious issue that the police crashed his bike and risked his safety. but i guess that's bullshit to you? Regardless that I know this person and believe he'd swear in court under oath, under God, on the bible, that the police bumped his bike while he was pulling over.. but that's bullshit right? God forbid someone on a bike like yours should get away from the police, the spot you, and crash your bike. What kind of gear do you wear? I hope its something to protect your skin. Me personally, I don't think the police should be trying these techniques unless the rider was being chased for a felony. I guess you have to be struck by a police officer before you believe police can be brutal huh? I guess my friends are liars according to YOU right? Why don't you meet a person before you claim what they say is bullshit. I gaurantee these two individuals are honest individuals who work with with real jobs, are adults, citizens, and not the bullshitters you think they are. You would probably like them, unless you were some kind of biased asshole. They're not even loud, nor rude. As bikers, we should stick together, not just assume someone is bullshitting because they are different than you. Daniel On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:28:53 -0400, you wrote: |>such utter bulls--t. *bait* vehicles, yeah surrree. And *bumping*? Oh |>yeah every cop does that `cause they just lurve spending hours filling out |>damage reports of thier assigned vehicle. |>I-95 south. Travel that route frequently - technically speeding since |>it's 55 until about Lake Ridge and traffic is usually going way faster. |>Cops won't even blink unless you're doing Warp III and weaving lanes like |>a total A-hole. But yeah, yeah, I know - *they* are out to *get you*. |> |>Try Prozac |> |>Bill |> |> |> |>daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: |> |>> a friend of mine got bumped by a police car yesterday. My friend went |>> to pull over on the inside lane when the cop went to pull him over and |>> the cop bumped him and had him pull over on the outside lane of the |>> beltway. An online discussion came up, and they talked about police |>> using "bait vehicles" as in, have a car come tailgate you, so that you |>> speed up, then around the corner a cop pulls you over for speeding. |>> here is a msg regarding that: |>> |>> "it's good you are alright. I don't know you, I've just been lurking |>> in the shadows overseeing the "organized" chaos so early in the riding |>> season and it's cool to hear that you didn't become a victim of police |>> car brutality. For you and everyone else, if you are in Va on the |>> Beltway they have a Black 98-99 Corvette they use as a bait |>> car(victim). Also if your going 95S, look out in Woodbridge for |>> unmarked Jeep Cherokees and a blue or purple camaro. " |>> |>> Thought I would pass that on. I told my friend to file a complaint |>> about that cop. It just may save someone's life. My friend DEFINITELY |>> wasn't trying to run, and never has tried. He was speeding, that's |>> it. |>> |>> Daniel |>> |>> From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 22:44:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3L2iDP07207 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:44:09 -0400 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: PRM Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:44:13 -0400 Message-ID: <002001bfab3b$7a832b20$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <000001bfab11$67e33340$6d32accf@todd> Importance: Normal > Coleman Powersports has changed its name. It's now PowerRide Motorsports. > Can this mean an improvement in: > > - Service > - Prices > - Attitude > > Let's hope so. I think I'll drop by to check out the auction on the 29th. Nah. Probably just hoping that all the fools who've been burned by Coleman will think the above. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 22:52:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3L2plP07413 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-121-93.s93.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.121.93]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12iTWm-0004ST-00; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:50:44 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: buying leathers group discount Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 05:54:19 GMT Message-ID: <3901ec1a.279278867@smtp.erols.com> References: <38ff62d3.244130592@smtp.erols.com> In-Reply-To: <38ff62d3.244130592@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3L2q3P07414 Just a quick update. I talked to one of the gentlemen and he sounded enthusastic about making us a deal. We so far have about 10 jackets and 6 with matching pants to be ordered. and more coming. let me know if you're interested. The gentleman, william said he'd need to know what sizes we wanted so he could tell me how much the prices were, that we'd be looking at. he says the difference sizes cost different amounts. So if you're interested, let me know as much specific information as possible what you're interested in, including size. thanks daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 22:54:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3L2ssP07441 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA17568 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (216-164-137-12.s266.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.137.12]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07167 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:54:19 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000420224327.01deac40@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:53:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Bait vehicles? Maybe, maybe not. In-Reply-To: <38ffe59b.277615857@smtp.erols.com> References: <2f.42c9c91.2630ee96@aol.com> <2f.42c9c91.2630ee96@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:28 AM 4/21/2000 , daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I motion that I am tryin to stop in the inside >shoulder, he swerves again and as soon as I grab my handle bar, he >bumps me. At this point I'm like WHOA, this cop aint playing, so I >start to get over on the right side shoulder. When we stop, the reason >he said he did that was because they had a problem with bikes running >from cops, so thats why he was so agressive. But I never gave him the >indication that I was going to run, I tried to pull over as soon as I >saw him. That is seriously fucked up. The cop was nice to give him 80+ if he was doing 106, but there is NEVER any reason for a cop or any other cage to come in contact with a bike (with the exception of ending a long chase a la World's Wildest Police Videos - where would we be without FOX?). Tell your friend to talk to Bill and file a complaint directly with the police. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 20k miles + From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 23:07:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3L37QP07714 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-133-234.s234.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.133.234] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12iTm7-00009s-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:06:35 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: CAP 1000 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:02:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bfab3d$f9ea4d60$ea85a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:18:09 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Accept-Language: en To: dc-cycles Subject: Cap 1000? Does anybody know what is going on with the Cap 1000? The page has not been updated and the people in the chat area have no clue what is going on. I am thinking about doing it but I don't want to get all excited for nothing. Jay ZX-11 commuting and triple digit touring naked T-595 track bike ----------------------------------- Send your money, get excited, show-up. It was the same way last year, but not as neglectful as this one. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '92 CB750, '94 XT350 * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 148,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 23:12:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3L3CuP07825 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA18988 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:12:53 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 207-172-121-93.s93.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.121.93]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12iTrP-0001hh-00; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:12:03 -0400 To: Mike T Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bait vehicles? Maybe, maybe not. Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 06:15:38 GMT Message-ID: <3903f027.280316417@smtp.erols.com> References: <2f.42c9c91.2630ee96@aol.com> <2f.42c9c91.2630ee96@aol.com> <4.2.0.58.20000420224327.01deac40@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000420224327.01deac40@mail.troutman.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3L3CxP07826 I agree. he has emailed bill (since bill didn't leave a number) and already checked out the website bill left. He is also going to call his lawyer tomorrow morning.. I hope somethings comes of this.. the minimum that the cop learns to stop doing that shit and hopefully other cops will see it's dangerous to their carreer too. I was hoping there was some damage to the bike but there wasn't. I wonder if the cop would deny it under oath... Daniel |>That is seriously fucked up. The cop was nice to give him 80+ if he was |>doing 106, but there is NEVER any reason for a cop or any other cage to |>come in contact with a bike (with the exception of ending a long chase a la |>World's Wildest Police Videos - where would we be without FOX?). Tell your |>friend to talk to Bill and file a complaint directly with the police. |> |>_____________________________________ |> Mike Troutman |> mike@XXXXXX |> http://www.troutman.org/vfr |> |> '97 Honda VFR 750 |> 20k miles + From dc-cycles-request Thu Apr 20 23:32:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3L3WBP08163 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA20482 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-117.patriot.net [209.249.180.117]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA12711; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:32:04 -0400 Message-ID: <38FFCAB4.6C9C2E67@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:27:48 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bait vehicles References: <38ff9bf7.258761057@smtp.erols.com> <38FF92B5.6161B33@patriot.net> <3900e76b.278080232@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lemme get this straight, guy #1 admitted to cranking 106 when the law arrived on the scene, then *claimed* he was going from left lane to inside shoulder (3/4 lanes?) when he got nerfed. Very gently, we must assume, as he didn't go splat. Guy #2 sez he was *running* from a bike jacking. Got bumped at 30. He must have really be running hard. I'm damn near 50 and I can sprint a bicycle bike faster. Yes, I question the *details* of these tales of terror. Like Bill Gawthop said, file a complaint, sit down and swear to tell the truth and the whole truth and file an affadavit. Then show us the officer's affadavit in response. It's not a question of lying - but of *viewpoint*. Anyone invloved in and acident or crime will tell you that witnesses *see* different things. Do you expect your friends to say "Yeah, I wuz acting like a total a-hole and had that throttle twisted." Nonono, they're going to say "Hey, man, I wuz cruising down the road minding my own bizz and this mo-fo cop done nerfed me, man!" I have met people like this, listened to thier tales, and usually walked away shaking my head. Could it be that you and your friend need an attitude adustment? Yes, there are a-hole cops, but they're few. There are far more A-hole bikers who flaunt the law and make it tough on the rest of us. It is not *us* against *them". We all want the same thing, relitive safety on the highways. A biker doing 106 is thinking with his little head and not safe. He's lucky he only got written up for 80. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I dont' know if bait vehicles exist, but I kind of doubt that guy made > up those vehicles out of thin air. As far as bumping goes.. I have a > friend who has documentation that he "convieniently crashed in front > of a police car doing 30 mph". > > He said he was speeding away from an attempted bike jacking last > summer (there were 3 in the previous few weeks) on the same type of > bike he had, an R1. a blue truck would pull up and jack the bike. The > bike jackings happened in the same area, near branch avenue and > suitland parkway. anyway he was speeding on suitland parkway. > Regardless of why. The cops pulled him over. He obviously pulled over, > and at 30 mph they bumped him. whether he was speeding or driving > like a bat out of hell for good reason or no reason, the fact remains, > he got bumped at 30 mph and he was obviously not running at that > point. > > That is what is important, and I think it's a serious issue that the > police crashed his bike and risked his safety. but i guess that's > bullshit to you? Regardless that I know this person and believe he'd > swear in court under oath, under God, on the bible, that the police > bumped his bike while he was pulling over.. but that's bullshit > right? > > God forbid someone on a bike like yours should get away from the > police, the spot you, and crash your bike. What kind of gear do you > wear? I hope its something to protect your skin. Me personally, I > don't think the police should be trying these techniques unless the > rider was being chased for a felony. I guess you have to be struck by > a police officer before you believe police can be brutal huh? I guess > my friends are liars according to YOU right? > > Why don't you meet a person before you claim what they say is > bullshit. I gaurantee these two individuals are honest individuals > who work with with real jobs, are adults, citizens, and not the > bullshitters you think they are. You would probably like them, unless > you were some kind of biased asshole. They're not even loud, nor > rude. As bikers, we should stick together, not just assume someone > is bullshitting because they are different than you. > > Daniel > From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 21 00:22:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3L4M2P08922 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA24039 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA00416; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004a01bfab48$d5291e60$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas_Zell" To: "Bill Huson" , Cc: References: <38ff9bf7.258761057@smtp.erols.com> <38FF92B5.6161B33@patriot.net> <3900e76b.278080232@smtp.erols.com> <38FFCAB4.6C9C2E67@patriot.net> Subject: Re: bait vehicles Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:19:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Go easy, Bill. You were young once, too, ya know? ;-) Anyway... regardless... a cop or cage or whatever (as MikeT said) has no business coming in contact with a bike, period. Now maybe if the rider was out killing people then yeah but a traffic stop? C'mon now. I have been busted for BIG tickets on my bike and never did anyone try and bump me... had I wanted to I could have gotten away with no trouble but I slowed and pulled over (and got yelled at) and that was it! No brutality points awarded to the officer. This is really more of the Pull-a-Gun County cops over stepping their bounds... this is why they're in such deep sh!t. Oh... and I have lots of stories to tell about PG police... they're not for this list though. Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Huson" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 11:27 PM Subject: Re: bait vehicles > Lemme get this straight, guy #1 admitted to cranking 106 when the law arrived on > the scene, then *claimed* he was going from left lane to inside shoulder (3/4 > lanes?) when he got nerfed. Very gently, we must assume, as he didn't go > splat. Guy #2 sez he was *running* from a bike jacking. Got bumped at 30. He > must have really be running hard. I'm damn near 50 and I can sprint a bicycle > bike faster. > > Yes, I question the *details* of these tales of terror. Like Bill Gawthop said, > file a complaint, sit down and swear to tell the truth and the whole truth and > file an affadavit. Then show us the officer's affadavit in response. It's not > a question of lying - but of *viewpoint*. Anyone invloved in and acident or > crime will tell you that witnesses *see* different things. Do you expect your > friends to say "Yeah, I wuz acting like a total a-hole and had that throttle > twisted." Nonono, they're going to say "Hey, man, I wuz cruising down the road > minding my own bizz and this mo-fo cop done nerfed me, man!" > > I have met people like this, listened to thier tales, and usually walked away > shaking my head. Could it be that you and your friend need an attitude > adustment? Yes, there are a-hole cops, but they're few. There are far more > A-hole bikers who flaunt the law and make it tough on the rest of us. It is not > *us* against *them". We all want the same thing, relitive safety on the > highways. A biker doing 106 is thinking with his little head and not safe. > He's lucky he only got written up for 80. > > Bill > > daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I dont' know if bait vehicles exist, but I kind of doubt that guy made > > up those vehicles out of thin air. As far as bumping goes.. I have a > > friend who has documentation that he "convieniently crashed in front > > of a police car doing 30 mph". > > > > He said he was speeding away from an attempted bike jacking last > > summer (there were 3 in the previous few weeks) on the same type of > > bike he had, an R1. a blue truck would pull up and jack the bike. The > > bike jackings happened in the same area, near branch avenue and > > suitland parkway. anyway he was speeding on suitland parkway. > > Regardless of why. The cops pulled him over. He obviously pulled over, > > and at 30 mph they bumped him. whether he was speeding or driving > > like a bat out of hell for good reason or no reason, the fact remains, > > he got bumped at 30 mph and he was obviously not running at that > > point. > > > > That is what is important, and I think it's a serious issue that the > > police crashed his bike and risked his safety. but i guess that's > > bullshit to you? Regardless that I know this person and believe he'd > > swear in court under oath, under God, on the bible, that the police > > bumped his bike while he was pulling over.. but that's bullshit > > right? > > > > God forbid someone on a bike like yours should get away from the > > police, the spot you, and crash your bike. What kind of gear do you > > wear? I hope its something to protect your skin. Me personally, I > > don't think the police should be trying these techniques unless the > > rider was being chased for a felony. I guess you have to be struck by > > a police officer before you believe police can be brutal huh? I guess > > my friends are liars according to YOU right? > > > > Why don't you meet a person before you claim what they say is > > bullshit. I gaurantee these two individuals are honest individuals > > who work with with real jobs, are adults, citizens, and not the > > bullshitters you think they are. You would probably like them, unless > > you were some kind of biased asshole. They're not even loud, nor > > rude. As bikers, we should stick together, not just assume someone > > is bullshitting because they are different than you. > > > > Daniel > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 21 00:40:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3L4eNP09193 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-133-132.s132.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.133.132] helo=l4rite) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12iVE0-0007lR-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:39:28 -0400 Message-ID: <02e701bfab4c$52178300$8485a4d8@l4rite> From: "L4rite" To: "DC-Cycles" References: <002001bfab3b$7a832b20$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> Subject: Re: PRM Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:44:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Coleman Powersports has changed its name. It's now PowerRide Motorsports. Nah. Probably just hoping that all the fools who've been burned by Coleman will think the above. I think the Coleman's store in FC might have been either bought out or something similar.... I asked why they don't sell Kawasaki's anymore...and the floor mgr said that they can sell what they have in stock, but can't get a new franchise license from Kawi because Kawi doesn't allow large corporations to own a franchise license.....and the "new" owner had many diverse holdings other than the motorcycle dealership......anyway the service is about the same, I just go into look and buy small items...I get 10% off because I bought one of my bikes there...they also give me free inspections and my warranty is through them...so I kinda gotta go there...oh well...later Les From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 21 00:59:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3L4xrP09509 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 2.46.4463651 (4339); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:59:43 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <46.4463651.26313a3f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:59:43 EDT Subject: Re: bait vehicles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: bhuson@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Umm... hate to be another voice of reason (am I getting old or something?) but I gotta agree with Bill here. If you're doing 106 on a public highway, the cop is not the one breaking the law - he's trying to stop someone doing *almost twice the posted speed limit*. I don't care if you immediately slowed down when he hit the lights, If I were the cop I'd think you were gonna run as well. If you don't like speed limits, that's your thing... I'm not too crazy about them myself. However... you run the risk of lord knows what - you're lucky the cop didn't knock you off the bike (ever watch the Fox shows? They do seem to be allowed to do that.) Traveling at that speed, all a cage has to do is make a legal lane change - your speed differential is not going to be expected, and planting yourself into the back of a minivan just can't be fun. You endanger not only yourself (which is fine in my book) but the lives of other motorists (not cool). Get thee to a racetrack if you think you need to go that fast. Learn how to do it safely, legally, and faster with the rest of us speed freaks. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 21 01:06:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3L56QP09696 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id 2.b0.41a0fd6 (4339) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:06:08 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:06:07 EDT Subject: Re: bait vehicles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 4/21/00 12:23:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, zellto@XXXXXX writes: > Anyway... regardless... a cop or cage or whatever (as MikeT said) has no > business coming in contact with a bike, period. Now maybe if the rider was > out killing people then yeah but a traffic stop? C'mon now. 106 mph is not an average traffic stop. One mistake (or lane change) by anyone in the vicinity and it can turn into killing someone very, very quickly. 160 ft/sec is no joke. There are limits as to what you should be doing on a public highway. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 21 04:15:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3L8FeP13551 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA14338 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:15:35 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 207-172-121-93.s93.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.121.93]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12iYaJ-0007bA-00; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:14:44 -0400 To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bait vehicles Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:18:18 GMT Message-ID: <390134a9.297856752@smtp.erols.com> References: <38ff9bf7.258761057@smtp.erols.com> <38FF92B5.6161B33@patriot.net> <3900e76b.278080232@smtp.erols.com> <38FFCAB4.6C9C2E67@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <38FFCAB4.6C9C2E67@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3L8FuP13552 On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:27:48 -0400, you wrote: |>Lemme get this straight, guy #1 admitted to cranking 106 when the law arrived on |>the scene, then *claimed* he was going from left lane to inside shoulder (3/4 |>lanes?) when he got nerfed. Very gently, we must assume, as he didn't go |>splat. Guy #2 sez he was *running* from a bike jacking. Got bumped at 30. He |>must have really be running hard. I'm damn near 50 and I can sprint a bicycle |>bike faster. The fact that he admits his wrong gives him more credibility in my book. Had he been squidly, trying to run and got bumped, and pulled over, I don't think he'd be telling the story the way he did. The fact of the matter is the cop bumped the bike when the bike was tryign to pull over and subdue to the law officer. The cop risked the guys life by bumping his bike. had the bike gone down who knows what kind of chain reaction could have occurred? now what is more life threatening, a a bump causing bike going down or a person doing 106 mph on a road that can easily take that speed.? I think we know who the real criminal is. One act I'm guessing is a felony, the other is a traffic ticket. The other guy doing 30, he obviously had to be pulling over. yOu can't ttell me he was trying to outrun the police at 30 mph. Even if he had been running from the police, still he should have just been allowed to pull over, been arrested, and had the appropriate sentence handed to him. If you think the police bumping bikes while they are subduing to the law, is okay, then I think it's you who need the attitude adjustment. If you dont' like speeding, you shouldn't accept the idea of cops using brute force, you should talk about getting the law changed for stiffer penalties. Deadly force should not be used in a non life threatening situation. Bikes pulling over for cops should qualify as not being deadly. Cops are supposed to make the arrest, not enforce penalties. Regardless of the crime. You may be comfortable with the cops being above the law, but I am not. I have a feeling you are less personable, social, and open minded than both of these persons I know. Too bad it wasn't you being bumped, but ah the world is unfair, we should just accept it right? btw never did i say the traffic crimes were to be nullified by the officers actions. That is a seperate issue. My arguement is, cops shouldn't be bumping bikes if those riders didn't hurt anyone. People like you accept cops being assholes, and it's no wonder they get the amount of disrespect placed upon them. I personally expect police to professional. Holding a cop to professional standards and having them act professional can only aide in police / civilian relationships. Allowing cops to be assholes (or criminal in this case) can only deteriorate it. Daniel |>Yes, I question the *details* of these tales of terror. Like Bill Gawthop said, |>file a complaint, sit down and swear to tell the truth and the whole truth and |>file an affadavit. Then show us the officer's affadavit in response. It's not |>a question of lying - but of *viewpoint*. Anyone invloved in and acident or |>crime will tell you that witnesses *see* different things. Do you expect your |>friends to say "Yeah, I wuz acting like a total a-hole and had that throttle |>twisted." Nonono, they're going to say "Hey, man, I wuz cruising down the road |>minding my own bizz and this mo-fo cop done nerfed me, man!" |> |>I have met people like this, listened to thier tales, and usually walked away |>shaking my head. Could it be that you and your friend need an attitude |>adustment? Yes, there are a-hole cops, but they're few. There are far more |>A-hole bikers who flaunt the law and make it tough on the rest of us. It is not |>*us* against *them". We all want the same thing, relitive safety on the |>highways. A biker doing 106 is thinking with his little head and not safe. |>He's lucky he only got written up for 80. |> |>Bill |> |>daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: |> |>> I dont' know if bait vehicles exist, but I kind of doubt that guy made |>> up those vehicles out of thin air. As far as bumping goes.. I have a |>> friend who has documentation that he "convieniently crashed in front |>> of a police car doing 30 mph". |>> |>> He said he was speeding away from an attempted bike jacking last |>> summer (there were 3 in the previous few weeks) on the same type of |>> bike he had, an R1. a blue truck would pull up and jack the bike. The |>> bike jackings happened in the same area, near branch avenue and |>> suitland parkway. anyway he was speeding on suitland parkway. |>> Regardless of why. The cops pulled him over. He obviously pulled over, |>> and at 30 mph they bumped him. whether he was speeding or driving |>> like a bat out of hell for good reason or no reason, the fact remains, |>> he got bumped at 30 mph and he was obviously not running at that |>> point. |>> |>> That is what is important, and I think it's a serious issue that the |>> police crashed his bike and risked his safety. but i guess that's |>> bullshit to you? Regardless that I know this person and believe he'd |>> swear in court under oath, under God, on the bible, that the police |>> bumped his bike while he was pulling over.. but that's bullshit |>> right? |>> |>> God forbid someone on a bike like yours should get away from the |>> police, the spot you, and crash your bike. What kind of gear do you |>> wear? I hope its something to protect your skin. Me personally, I |>> don't think the police should be trying these techniques unless the |>> rider was being chased for a felony. I guess you have to be struck by |>> a police officer before you believe police can be brutal huh? I guess |>> my friends are liars according to YOU right? |>> |>> Why don't you meet a person before you claim what they say is |>> bullshit. I gaurantee these two individuals are honest individuals |>> who work with with real jobs, are adults, citizens, and not the |>> bullshitters you think they are. You would probably like them, unless |>> you were some kind of biased asshole. They're not even loud, nor |>> rude. As bikers, we should stick together, not just assume someone |>> is bullshitting because they are different than you. |>> |>> Daniel |>> From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 21 04:20:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3L8KMP13657 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA14537 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:20:16 -0400 (EDT) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 207-172-121-93.s93.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.121.93]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12iYeq-0007ip-00; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:19:24 -0400 To: "Thomas_Zell" Cc: "Bill Huson" , Subject: Re: bait vehicles Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:22:58 GMT Message-ID: <39023943.299034987@smtp.erols.com> References: <38ff9bf7.258761057@smtp.erols.com> <38FF92B5.6161B33@patriot.net> <3900e76b.278080232@smtp.erols.com> <38FFCAB4.6C9C2E67@patriot.net> <004a01bfab48$d5291e60$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> In-Reply-To: <004a01bfab48$d5291e60$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3L8KOP13661 On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:19:48 -0400, you wrote: |>Go easy, Bill. You were young once, too, ya know? ;-) Not the hollier than thou Bill Huson.. why he never broke one law! :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 21 05:07:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3L97UP14360 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 05:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-121-93.s93.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.121.93]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12iZGb-0001lR-00; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:58:25 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bait vehicles Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:01:59 GMT Message-ID: <39033a28.299263697@smtp.erols.com> References: <46.4463651.26313a3f@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <46.4463651.26313a3f@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3L97jP14361 On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:59:43 EDT, you wrote: |>Umm... hate to be another voice of reason (am I getting old or something?) |>but I gotta agree with Bill here. heavens no! : ) Were any of your crashes serious trauma to the head? |>If you're doing 106 on a public highway, the cop is not the one breaking the the cop is the one breaking the law once he tries to make you crash and penalize you for breaking the law, especially while you are pullign over. |>law - he's trying to stop someone doing *almost twice the posted speed he accomplished the rider "stopping" that when he put on the lights. want to bet the officer didn't put it in his police report "the bike tried to escape and i bumped him. why? because he didn't try to run. he pulled over. hence the officer marked the ticket down in speed. |>limit*. I don't care if you immediately slowed down when he hit the lights, That's right, let's treat those who immediately slow down as if they are trying to run.. that actually makes sense to you? What do you want bikers to do, slam on brakes and dump their bikes to prove they aren't running and shoudln't be hit? what more can you do than immediately slow down and try to pull over? The rider motioned that he was pulling over to the left hand side of the street, and as soon as he put his hand back on the bar, he was bumped. Does that sound like a person trying to run to you, making hand jestures that he's pulling over to the shoulder? |>If I were the cop I'd think you were gonna run as well. And would you hit the bike as well? I don't have a problem suspecting a person is a crook. I have a problem when a cop acts on that mindset before he has evidence of what he suspects. Speeding not knowing a cop is around is far different from trying to out run a cop. |>If you don't like speed limits, that's your thing... I'm not too crazy about I dont like speed limits (to a certain degree) nor brutality. |>them myself. However... you run the risk of lord knows what - you're lucky |>the cop didn't knock you off the bike I wasn't there, and I wasn't there prior to that. The cop could not have even laid eyes on me, much less part of his car. I don't think i'm lucky for something that is impossible. |>(ever watch the Fox shows? They do seem |>to be allowed to do that.) Are they really allowed for just a traffic violation? I hope not. I wasn't on the beltway. The rider made a mistake and thought we got on the beltway, we actually kept straight on allentown road. He was just trying to catch up with the pack in the direction he thought we went. None of us here would ever do that now would we? I suppose you and bill never did 100 mph to catch up to your buddies.. I'd say there is a pretty good chance you have.. and don't feel you deserved to be bumped by a cage for it. Well maybe bill hasn't, he probably has a slow bike I can see him now.. the squid in his day, on a YG 80 cc bike.. heh heh. |>Traveling at that speed, all a cage has to do is make a legal lane change - |>your speed differential is not going to be expected, and planting yourself |>into the back of a minivan just can't be fun. You endanger not only yourself |>(which is fine in my book) but the lives of other motorists (not cool). I do agree with that. The rider was legally wrong. That doesn't disqualify the cops actions from being wrong. What did your parents tell you about two wrongs? |>Get thee to a racetrack if you think you need to go that fast. Learn how to |>do it safely, legally, and faster with the rest of us speed freaks. |> |>- Roach Know of any free tracks? . I can agree with your issue of driving/riding safely, can you agree with mine that cops shouldn't be the ones to enforce penalties? Come on, the cop was trying to wreck a speeder, assuming the guy was a runner when he wasn't. Of course I also have issues with police trying to wreck anyone who hasnt' already harmed some one, but that is a seperate issue.. We are all adults here, we know how dangerous a wreck can be, and cops shouldn't be trying to wreck people who haven't already commited a serious crime. Let's not confuse the issues here. the "speeder" wasn't innocent of traffic crimes, and neitheir is the cop innocent of the crime he committed when he bumped that bike. would it have been different if the cop rode up next to the biker and shot (at) him? not in my book. deadly force is deadly force wether you ram a car into a person or shoot them. you're still risking someone's life when you try to cause them to crash on the beltway. even the backed up traffic resulting from the accident could have gotten another cager rear ended and seriously hurt. The rider was wrong, the cop was even more wrong. Can you and bill not see that? Daniel From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 21 05:07:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3L97PP14358 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 05:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-121-93.s93.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.121.93]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12iZO6-0002Nm-00; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 05:06:11 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bait vehicles Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:09:44 GMT Message-ID: <3904438f.301671217@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3L97jP14359 On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:06:07 EDT, you wrote: |>In a message dated 4/21/00 12:23:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, |>zellto@XXXXXX writes: |> |>> Anyway... regardless... a cop or cage or whatever (as MikeT said) has no |>> business coming in contact with a bike, period. Now maybe if the rider was |>> out killing people then yeah but a traffic stop? C'mon now. |> |>106 mph is not an average traffic stop. One mistake (or lane change) by |>anyone in the vicinity and it can turn into killing someone very, very |>quickly. 160 ft/sec is no joke. There are limits as to what you should be |>doing on a public highway. does that crime warrant the officer risking the riders life? warrant risking more accidents on the beltway? *after* said crime had ceased. Bumping a speeding bike without the rider attempting to elude CANNOT be propper procedure. The fact that the officer did not arrest for eluding proves the offficer was wrong for bumping the bike. Not that the speeder is innocent because he was bumped. No one is aruging that. 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From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 21 06:34:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3LAYPP15672 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 06:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA24490 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 06:34:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id r.e0.3629268 (3959); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 06:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 06:33:48 EDT Subject: Re: Cop bumping me To: outinleftfield2000@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Police procedure, regardless of provocation, reflects the essence of government's relationship with the people. Rough policing reflects rough government and I'm not saying that because of a specific political philosophy. I'm saying this from the perspective of a former LAPD officer and a career in the military assessing governments and their internal control mechanisms. In the case of a speeder that was subjected to inappropriate or accidental stop procedures, the professional and the professionally trained officer would have summoned his patrol supervisor, reported the details of the stop and have it documented. The documentation serves a couple of purposes; first and foremaost, it protects the officer from subsequent, and frequently falsified, exaggeration of the initial mistake. Second, it protects the municipality from Lawsuit. Third, it instills credibility with regard to the police force and how it controls power. Remember that Police have two thirids of what they really need out there. Power (guns, cars, radios, etc) and authority (the badge, the commissioning and the vestiture to do an assigned job). What is missing, and the absence of which makes makes the combination of power and authority dangerous is the third element: Training and education. (Remember, municiplaities generally require HS degrees which in the long run, insufficient. Training...well, the reason the LA cops got off on Rodney King was because they were performing consistent with their training. The law suit changed their training.) Which brings us full circle to what I mentioned the other day. The only variable that we can influence is the training and that is done by Law suit. Robert, do you live in VA or MD? The reason I ask is because I will contact the National Motorist Association reps for the respective state and get from them a list of NMA attorneys ... "if you need one and do not have one" In the mean time, for the rest of us, lets look around and see who else has been bumped - regardless of the circumstances. If it's generally happening, then you have a general practice of poor procedure. My phone number is 410-451-2610. Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 21 07:55:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3LBtWP16938 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA00890 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-104.patriot.net [209.249.180.104]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA05943; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:55:26 -0400 Message-ID: <390040AB.D84962E8@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:51:08 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: Thomas_Zell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bait vehicles References: <38ff9bf7.258761057@smtp.erols.com> <38FF92B5.6161B33@patriot.net> <3900e76b.278080232@smtp.erols.com> <38FFCAB4.6C9C2E67@patriot.net> <004a01bfab48$d5291e60$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> <39023943.299034987@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > Not the hollier than thou Bill Huson.. why he never broke one law! > :) Actually, yes, I was a bad boy in my youth. IEven now get speeding tickets about every 8 years and pay them - sorta like tithing. Been written up twice by steriotypical big-bellied, mirrored shades deputy sheriffs in the south, and one of those tickets got me banned from operating a motor vehicle in North Carolina for two years unless I filed SR-22 (risk pool) insurance. But my *best* ticket was in New Jersey. Passing in a no passing a no passing (guilty as hell - no chance of ducking that as I had made the pass right in front of the Glen Rock cop shop), speeding (yep, guilty), Speeding to elude (weell, I didn't *notice* the police car, lights a-flashing and siren screaming behind me - had the radio on real loud - uh huh), failure to stop for an arresting officer (Hey! I stopped- eventually - in the next county), and illegal equipment (???). All on one ticket. I didn't help my cause by purposely tagged the brake when said cop was kissing my bumper, causing said cop to lock his brakes and take a quick lesson in four-wheel drifting his cruiser around the exit loop, and then as he was yelling about goddamn juvinile deliquents and pounding his stubby finger on my chest, I calmy lit up a smoke and exhaled in his face. Needless to say I got a guided tour of the less attractive areas of the police station, and my hot-rod cage was impounded so they could examine it for "illegal equipment". Yep, I've run across A-hole cops, but in retrospect, it was me who waved a red flag in thier face. But I will agree that some localities have a lower flash point than others. Here in Fairfax County, our law officers are almost country club polite and very professional. But anyone who reads a newspaper knows that PG county has a flash point problem. Solution, don't do anything to attract notice. As in ride legal and safe. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Apr 21 08:00:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3LBxxP17046 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aba.com (mail.aba.com [198.242.42.47]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id HAA01213 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ABAOF40-Message_Server by aba.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:59:45 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:59:20 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: bait vehicles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e3LC02P17122 My experience with Cops. If you don't have UNquestionable FACTS, whatever the cop says in court is like gold. The law is 99% of the time on their sides. It cost you fight for what is right and it cost them nothing to lie. Just My thoughts. >>> Bill Huson 04/20/00 11:27PM >>> Lemme get this straight, guy #1 admitted to cranking 106 when the law arrived on the scene, then *claimed* he was going from left lane to inside shoulder (3/4 lanes?) when he got nerfed. Very gently, we must assume, as he didn't go splat. Guy #2 sez he was *running* from a bike jacking. Got bumped at 30. He must have really be running hard. I'm damn near 50 and I can sprint a bicycle bike faster. Yes, I question the *details* of these tales of terror. Like Bill Gawthop said, file a complaint, sit down and swear to tell the truth and the whole truth and file an affadavit. Then show us the officer's affadavit in response. It's not a question of lying - but of *viewpoint*. Anyone invloved in and acident or crime will tell you that witnesses *see* different things. Do you expect your friends to say "Yeah, I wuz acting like a total a-hole and had that throttle twisted." Nonono, they're going to say "Hey, man, I wuz cruising down the road minding my own bizz and this mo-fo cop done nerfed me, man!" I have met people like this, listened to thier tales, and usually walked away shaking my head. Could it be that you and your friend need an attitude adustment? Yes, there are a-hole cops, but they're few. There are far more A-hole bikers who flaunt the law and make it tough on the rest of us. It is not *us* against *them". We all want the same thing, relitive safety on the highways. A biker doing 106 is thinking with his little head and not safe. He's lucky he only got written up for 80. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I dont' know if bait vehicles exist, but I kind of doubt that guy made > up those vehicles out of thin air. As far as bumping goes.. I have a > friend who has documentation that he "convieniently crashed in front > of a police car doing 30 mph". > > He said he was speeding away from an attempted bike jacking last > summer (there were 3 in the previous few weeks) on the same type of > bike he had, an R1. a blue truck would pull up and jack the bike. The > bike jackings happened in the same area, near branch avenue and > suitland parkway. anyway he was speeding on suitland parkway. > Regardless of why. The cops pulled him over. He obviously pulled over, > and at 30 mph they bumped him. whether he was speeding or driving > like a bat out of hell for good reason or no reason, the fact remains, > he got bumped at 30 mph and he was obviously not running at that > point. > > That is what is important, and I think it's a serious issue that the > police crashed his bike and risked his safety. but i guess that's > bullshit to you? Regardless that I know this person and believe he'd > swear in court under oath, under God, on the bible, that the police > bumped his bike while he was pulling over.. but that's bullshit > right? > > God forbid someone on a bike like yours should get away from the > police, the spot you, and crash your bike. What kind of gear do you > wear? I hope its something to protect your skin. Me personally, I > don't think the police should be trying these techniques unless the > rider was being chased for a felony. I guess you have to be struck by > a police officer before you believe police can be brutal huh? I guess > my friends are liars according to YOU right? > > Why don't you meet a person before you claim what they say is > bullshit. I gaurantee these two individuals are honest individuals > who work with with real jobs, are adults, citizens, and not the > bullshitters you think they are. You would probably like them, unless > you were some kind of biased asshole. They're not even loud, nor > rude. As bikers, we should stick together, no